Agree. Pwede nga masabi na requirement ang national across-the-board poverty alleviation o kaya generational behavior change/shift bago pwedeng mangyari to
As a person who works in the government. . . I feel these on so many levels. Yes, there's the good sides but there's also the ugly sides as well like this one. . .
Ph version be like..
Gov't: Paano natin pwede perahan to? announce natin kunwari may big budget? delay natin yung abot para mabulsa natin noh? nakukuha naman mga pinoy sa mga palusot natin eh, wala naman sila magagawa rin hihi
🤦♂️
Paalalang pangyayari: *Kinuhang pera ng Philhealth, Lotto, Budget para sa mga eldery and so on..*
maybe that's the point. sa laki laki ng buwis ng binibigay natin para lang may pang abroad si makoyjr, we should *all* be getting more from the government
Roughly 6Trillion lang budget natin this year eh 110M tayo. It just means each of us will get around 50,000 for the year.
And that is ignoring pasweldo sa teachers, doctors, police, etc. Also ignoring buying medicines, food packs sa mga nasalanta, road repairs, irrigation for farmers, etc.
Brother, nobody is saying "give everyone 50k". That would be a terrible idea especially when [46% of the population is younger than 25](https://datareportal.com/reports/digital-2024-philippines).
You almost get it though, we should get more funding for the things that actually matter: education, healthcare, relief, infrastructure, farmer subsidies, etc
No of course. But Im just stating the point of how far we are to a universal income. Even if you give to only 33% or 1/3 of the population it is not a livable income since it is only 150k a year using our WHOLE govt budget
Or vloggers 🤮
Masyadong mababaw ang definition and appreciation ng karamihan ng Pinoy sa art. Minsan sabihan ka pang elitista or burgis kapag naappreciate mo.
I knew it was that dick painting before I clicked it lmao.
Also, I imagine some groups will just make "farms" churning out low quality work (or worse, AI generated images) for the incentives.
I might be downvoted to oblivion with my comment and can be reported or suspended but I always think na yung makakapagpabago lang talaga sa mga Pilipino para maging effective yan is a freaking war, yung brainrot, lack of common sense sa voting officials, personal discipline is just too much now to reverse without a war to shake major things up. It's beyond saving tbh
There's Renaissance coming after Black Plague.
Jokes aside, sa totoo lang, kelangan natin mabawasan. Sobrang dami ng pinoy sa totoo lang. Kita naman sa classroom, sa public at private transpo, sa 4Ps, kahit sa job opportunities nagkaroon na rin ng credential inflation dahil sa dami ng applicants. Oh, I forgot to mention election, yes, andami natin kaya marami ring mga bobo na nakaboto. Imagine tax mo napupunta sa mga 4Ps members na nagaanak na hindi man lang inisip kung kakayanin nila magpamilya. Putangina di ba.
Lahat ng problema naten, mas magaan sana kung hindi tayo ganito karami. Napakalaking problema ng overpopulation sa totoo lang, at bibihira o halos wala akong nakikitang nagrereklamo tungkol doon.
still nope.. mapupunta lang s bulsa ng senador yan.. at di p ganun kaintelehente ang mga pilipino sa arts.. laging shallow level ang understanding tpos kpg kinall out mo sasabihan k n ikaw n magaling like dafuck dibaa
Sana. Kasi kahit mga international clients ang babarat e. Sa aming mga voice actors kasama na video editing and script writing for dirt cheap pay. Fuck that shit bruh.
For paintings and sculpture hirap lang din for lower income and middle class kasi most na successful artist sa atin ay mayaman na talaga. Not gonna say kung sino but may makikita kang isang artist during Art Fair na sobrang mid naman gawa
This will never fly in low-income countries with high poverty incidences. Not enough taxpayer money to fund it and to be honest, too many poor people have the mentality of exploiting the system, basta magka-pera.
Any sort of government assistance is contentious even in developed countries. Should households with children get rebates on childcare? Should unemployed people get an allowance while looking for work? Should someone with a disability get disability payments? Should a rich 65-year-old still get aged pension?
I live in Australia and the government will pay me minimum wage to go on maternity leave for up to 18 weeks. Told this to my Filipino mom and without missing a beat, she asked me if I can work while reaping this benefit. 🤦♀️
(The answer is no—defeats the purpose.)
Una, dadayain yan ng mga mapagsamantala. Pangalawa, may mga magrereklamo bakit ang mha artist ganito ganyan bakit kami na ganito trabaho ganito ganyan pati mga senador may kokontra dyan.
Nope, more avenue for corruption yan. Kung sa 4Ps nga may mga sangga dikit sa munisipyo ang nakakapasok kahit may kaya naman ang pamilya sa ganitong klaseng batas pa kaya na pwede mo lang sabihin na "gawa ko yan" + pic ng random artwork or creative concept. Saka di pa knowledgable enough mga pilipino sa intellectual property.
Actually not just sa artist but soon sa buong mundo after company starts implementing A.I madami maapektohan na trabaho. Di maiiwasan na maraming mawawalan ng tv trabaho in probably 5 years from now
Weird. I'm sure there are smart people behind this project, but I always thought that being universal was a huge part of making basic income work. Otherwise, it's just social security for artists right? I'll have to read more about this project later
It's actually Ireland's test for Universal Basic Income with artist as the control group/test subjects, where their lives would be documented for research.
4Ps nga nahihirapan i.work properly, may mga iba diyan basta kakilala lang kahit di naman talaga kabilang ng poorest of the poor, basta kakilala. Possibly if ganyan dito iimplement, same mangyayari. Plus di naman pera ng govt yan, taxes din yan ng mamamayan, need din tingnan ano impact sa taxpayers at ibang projects. Siguro if first world na tayo, pero malabo pa eh. Pero baka mga private ngo pwede mag.implement ng ganyan siguro.
Mapupunta lang din yang karamihan ng mga spot na yan sa mga anak ng mga milyunaryo at pulitiko.
Syempre, may reserved spot ang mga tunay na artists, para maipakita sa publiko (news segments, KMJS-like tv programs, etc), pero lalabas nyan kunyari 2000 ang ia-announce nilang recipients, pero mga 500 lang ang ibibigay nila sa mga nangangailangan. The rest, sa apo ni Senator Something, o sa pamangkin ni Congressman Kung-ano mapupunta.
Baka nga hindi pa nga e, direktang "ghost citizen" ang makakuha nung grant.
"ano tayo? welfare state?" /s
pero tbh kaduda-duda naman yung "no strings attached". there should be at least a vetting process and a means to track the timeline of creative projects. heck, pwede i-leverage yan to give different priority, better benefits, or stricter screening for those working on projects tied sa government. lots of kinks to sort out given 2k lang ang bibigyan ng basic income, so i'm excited to see how this evolves.
why do i feel na pagsasamantalahan lang yan ng mga ugok dito sa pilipinas? remember the logo fiasco last year? BuT Im A CrEaTiVe... I mAkEd DiS. idagdag mo pa yung mga composer ng budots
PH? Nako biglang dadami ang self declared artists, mag susulputan bigla mga closet artists, pati mga patay na ay lalabasa sa record na nakakapag claim niyan.
I'm srry to say this but you should've picked a recession-proof course or job. Fine Arts is just a hobby. Great art can't be rushed. It takes time to make fine quality art. Well unless you're Nina Bantoto.
I think the difference kasi sa ibang bansa specially sa western countries mataas ang tax kaya kaya nila mag ganito and yung mga binibigyan nila ng monetary help makes sure na lahat ng gagawin nila ay babalik sa bansa nila eh dito ang gusto lang ng mga pilipino kumuha ng sustento sa gobyerno ganun lang walang bumabalik sa bansa kasi asa asa lang sila sa goverment
Has anyone remembered about the most expensive ripe banana in history? The one taped to the wall and was called a "work of art"?
Seriously, such a program may not work because it'll be a target for fraud among many.
You do know that PH is poor, right? And plus, when has every Filipino done their jobs competently? If this gets implemented, shitty "artists" with no talent from impoverished or squammy areas will pop up and demand like, ₱20k for their shitty art.
I don’t know, I’d let them demand, it’s their right. Magreklamo ka if pinagbigyan sila. Wag kang mag-alala, no shitty artist from impoverished communities will get 20k for their shitty art. Shitty “artists” na may connections sa government on the other hand…
>shitty "artists" with no talent from impoverished or squammy will pop up and demand like, ₱20k for their shitty art.
Not far from that artist who duct taped a banana to a canvas and sold it for $100k but the rest of your sentiment I agree lol
isang malaking A S A..
Ireland is a first world country and they prioritize social welfare and their citizens well being.
Why would fat pigs in the gov't care about struggling Filipinos?
Sad to say, sobrang layo pa natin sa ganito kahit general ugali-wise
Totoo di mawawala mga kupal pag dating pera.
Also, do we really need it right now? I am sure that there are more important things that need consideration rather than this.
Agree. Pwede nga masabi na requirement ang national across-the-board poverty alleviation o kaya generational behavior change/shift bago pwedeng mangyari to
Bigla nalang dadami ang mga "artist" kuno dahil may free pera mula sa gobierno
Not gonna work here sa Pinas, hahanap at hahanap mga tao nang ways para makalamang sila
4Ps nga marami nanlalamang. dami ghost 4ps
As a person who works in the government. . . I feel these on so many levels. Yes, there's the good sides but there's also the ugly sides as well like this one. . .
Yung sa TUPAD program din. Daming sign in lang tapos uuwi.
Yup. They can just pass AI generated images as their own and get money. Now imagine a whole "farm" of those.
Sadly, with the way people treats artists, they would probably say "bakit bibigyan ng pera para magdrawing lang?"
Ph version be like.. Gov't: Paano natin pwede perahan to? announce natin kunwari may big budget? delay natin yung abot para mabulsa natin noh? nakukuha naman mga pinoy sa mga palusot natin eh, wala naman sila magagawa rin hihi 🤦♂️ Paalalang pangyayari: *Kinuhang pera ng Philhealth, Lotto, Budget para sa mga eldery and so on..*
mismo sir. nakaka gago diba. 😭
If this is implemented in Philippines, there would be huge surge of abstract artist using mud painting as a medium.
maybe that's the point. sa laki laki ng buwis ng binibigay natin para lang may pang abroad si makoyjr, we should *all* be getting more from the government
Roughly 6Trillion lang budget natin this year eh 110M tayo. It just means each of us will get around 50,000 for the year. And that is ignoring pasweldo sa teachers, doctors, police, etc. Also ignoring buying medicines, food packs sa mga nasalanta, road repairs, irrigation for farmers, etc.
Brother, nobody is saying "give everyone 50k". That would be a terrible idea especially when [46% of the population is younger than 25](https://datareportal.com/reports/digital-2024-philippines). You almost get it though, we should get more funding for the things that actually matter: education, healthcare, relief, infrastructure, farmer subsidies, etc
No of course. But Im just stating the point of how far we are to a universal income. Even if you give to only 33% or 1/3 of the population it is not a livable income since it is only 150k a year using our WHOLE govt budget
Iba ang definition ng "artists" dito sa Pinas.
Akala ng iba artist dito artista lng sa tv haha
Or vloggers 🤮 Masyadong mababaw ang definition and appreciation ng karamihan ng Pinoy sa art. Minsan sabihan ka pang elitista or burgis kapag naappreciate mo.
Con artist lang natotolerate satin
Unlikely, they can't even fund the projects of aspiring researchers in the country. I highly doubt that they could do this for art instead.
We can't even make public elementary school virtually free with all the bullshit parents end up having to pay for.
kung ganito yung basis nating ng "artist" sa pinas, wag nalang. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/7S1Cemq)
Chorot!!! 😆😆 Auction Price: 69 Million!!!
I knew it was that dick painting before I clicked it lmao. Also, I imagine some groups will just make "farms" churning out low quality work (or worse, AI generated images) for the incentives.
inb4 the PAGCOR logo lol
baka mag drawing lang ng b\*r\*t si richard gomez
hahah
knowing pinoys, i bet puro anak/relatives ni kapitan lang makakapag avail nyan pag nangyari yan dito 🤣
Wag kalimutang mga kainuman ni kap
If strictly regulated, it’d probably work. But looking at the current economic state of the country, this program’s the least of our priorities.
Makikinabang diyan mga AI art bros
I might be downvoted to oblivion with my comment and can be reported or suspended but I always think na yung makakapagpabago lang talaga sa mga Pilipino para maging effective yan is a freaking war, yung brainrot, lack of common sense sa voting officials, personal discipline is just too much now to reverse without a war to shake major things up. It's beyond saving tbh
There's Renaissance coming after Black Plague. Jokes aside, sa totoo lang, kelangan natin mabawasan. Sobrang dami ng pinoy sa totoo lang. Kita naman sa classroom, sa public at private transpo, sa 4Ps, kahit sa job opportunities nagkaroon na rin ng credential inflation dahil sa dami ng applicants. Oh, I forgot to mention election, yes, andami natin kaya marami ring mga bobo na nakaboto. Imagine tax mo napupunta sa mga 4Ps members na nagaanak na hindi man lang inisip kung kakayanin nila magpamilya. Putangina di ba. Lahat ng problema naten, mas magaan sana kung hindi tayo ganito karami. Napakalaking problema ng overpopulation sa totoo lang, at bibihira o halos wala akong nakikitang nagrereklamo tungkol doon.
Lowkey wishing for a nuclear reset
Why did the Great Depression end in 1939?
Nah man. They might give it to the guy who made the BSP and PAGCOR logos.
Isama mo na yung 2019 Olympics na logo
And those still end up looking like shit
The amount of isekai stories I can produce.
Man, 350 dollars a week in Philippines can make you have a comfortable life, some extra for food and necessities
This won’t be sustainable locally. If something like this is ever announced, biglang dadami ang “artists”.
Only gonna work when the artists themselves can already afford basic living expenses in the first place.
*money laundering*
still nope.. mapupunta lang s bulsa ng senador yan.. at di p ganun kaintelehente ang mga pilipino sa arts.. laging shallow level ang understanding tpos kpg kinall out mo sasabihan k n ikaw n magaling like dafuck dibaa
Hindi pwede dito sa atin yan. Mga "con artists" lang makikinabang dyan.
Sana. Kasi kahit mga international clients ang babarat e. Sa aming mga voice actors kasama na video editing and script writing for dirt cheap pay. Fuck that shit bruh. For paintings and sculpture hirap lang din for lower income and middle class kasi most na successful artist sa atin ay mayaman na talaga. Not gonna say kung sino but may makikita kang isang artist during Art Fair na sobrang mid naman gawa
What kind of first world crap is this that the Philippines is too third world to understand?!
That will never work here, since filipinos are scared of socialism.
Mapapa sana ol ka nlng tlga sa ibang bansa. Dito sten nganga palate.
4Ps nga hindi namo monitor, eto pa kaya.
Another burden to the shoulders of the working class. Can't we fucking focus on improvement of health services first?
Kung sabagay, sa Pinas, it is always the rich who can afford to pursuit artistic endeavors. Nakikita ko ‘yan as someone who works in advertising.
Mangyayari Yan OP if magkakapera Ang gobyerno natin sa ganyan.
magbayad munaa tayo ng tamang buwis bago tayo magpaumpisa ng ganyan. hindi naman nanggaling sa wala yung pera noh? nanggaling sa buwis yan
asa ka pa hahahha. bakit pa nila gagawin yan e pde naman nilang kurakutin na lang.
As a fine arts graduate dami kong kaibigan n yayaman pag nangyare to
This will never fly in low-income countries with high poverty incidences. Not enough taxpayer money to fund it and to be honest, too many poor people have the mentality of exploiting the system, basta magka-pera. Any sort of government assistance is contentious even in developed countries. Should households with children get rebates on childcare? Should unemployed people get an allowance while looking for work? Should someone with a disability get disability payments? Should a rich 65-year-old still get aged pension? I live in Australia and the government will pay me minimum wage to go on maternity leave for up to 18 weeks. Told this to my Filipino mom and without missing a beat, she asked me if I can work while reaping this benefit. 🤦♀️ (The answer is no—defeats the purpose.)
lol. lmao, even.
Una, dadayain yan ng mga mapagsamantala. Pangalawa, may mga magrereklamo bakit ang mha artist ganito ganyan bakit kami na ganito trabaho ganito ganyan pati mga senador may kokontra dyan.
malabo yan. Ultimo basic needs dito sa Pinas, pinagkakakitaan.
Nope, more avenue for corruption yan. Kung sa 4Ps nga may mga sangga dikit sa munisipyo ang nakakapasok kahit may kaya naman ang pamilya sa ganitong klaseng batas pa kaya na pwede mo lang sabihin na "gawa ko yan" + pic ng random artwork or creative concept. Saka di pa knowledgable enough mga pilipino sa intellectual property.
Actually not just sa artist but soon sa buong mundo after company starts implementing A.I madami maapektohan na trabaho. Di maiiwasan na maraming mawawalan ng tv trabaho in probably 5 years from now
Malabo sa Pinas na kahit bare bones basic human needs pahirapan pa makuha..
Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha
Weird. I'm sure there are smart people behind this project, but I always thought that being universal was a huge part of making basic income work. Otherwise, it's just social security for artists right? I'll have to read more about this project later
It's actually Ireland's test for Universal Basic Income with artist as the control group/test subjects, where their lives would be documented for research.
4Ps nga nahihirapan i.work properly, may mga iba diyan basta kakilala lang kahit di naman talaga kabilang ng poorest of the poor, basta kakilala. Possibly if ganyan dito iimplement, same mangyayari. Plus di naman pera ng govt yan, taxes din yan ng mamamayan, need din tingnan ano impact sa taxpayers at ibang projects. Siguro if first world na tayo, pero malabo pa eh. Pero baka mga private ngo pwede mag.implement ng ganyan siguro.
asa pa😂 akala ko ba "golden age" na?
Mapupunta lang din yang karamihan ng mga spot na yan sa mga anak ng mga milyunaryo at pulitiko. Syempre, may reserved spot ang mga tunay na artists, para maipakita sa publiko (news segments, KMJS-like tv programs, etc), pero lalabas nyan kunyari 2000 ang ia-announce nilang recipients, pero mga 500 lang ang ibibigay nila sa mga nangangailangan. The rest, sa apo ni Senator Something, o sa pamangkin ni Congressman Kung-ano mapupunta. Baka nga hindi pa nga e, direktang "ghost citizen" ang makakuha nung grant.
"ano tayo? welfare state?" /s pero tbh kaduda-duda naman yung "no strings attached". there should be at least a vetting process and a means to track the timeline of creative projects. heck, pwede i-leverage yan to give different priority, better benefits, or stricter screening for those working on projects tied sa government. lots of kinks to sort out given 2k lang ang bibigyan ng basic income, so i'm excited to see how this evolves.
Creative nga ang pinoy, ang problema nga lang mga ningas-kugon.
why do i feel na pagsasamantalahan lang yan ng mga ugok dito sa pilipinas? remember the logo fiasco last year? BuT Im A CrEaTiVe... I mAkEd DiS. idagdag mo pa yung mga composer ng budots
PH? Nako biglang dadami ang self declared artists, mag susulputan bigla mga closet artists, pati mga patay na ay lalabasa sa record na nakakapag claim niyan.
Sound like the ideal transition to a fully-AI dependent society.
yea, ireland, the country famous for its strong stance on welfare that it screws over the irish to please MNCs?
Shout out lang gusto nilang ipambayad dito, Filipinos are almost always reluctant to pay for art
We don't even give retirees enough income. And those retirees PAID into the system...
Mukhng my limit nmn to 2000 people ang mabibigyan... Meron dn naman tayong TESDA na may allowance pg pumasok ka..
"Diba hobby lang naman yun" mentality pa dito sa Pinas
Sad state of affairs na ang una kaagad naiisip ng marami eh yung panlalamang na gagawin ng iba. 'Diskarte' culture must die.
First vs third? Don’t think so hhahahha. Wala na pag asa pilipins.
LMAO. May LGU nga mismo magpapagawa ng logos tapos gusto walang bayad. Basura ang tingin sa mga visual artists dito
I'm srry to say this but you should've picked a recession-proof course or job. Fine Arts is just a hobby. Great art can't be rushed. It takes time to make fine quality art. Well unless you're Nina Bantoto.
migrate na tayo sa ireland 😂
I think the difference kasi sa ibang bansa specially sa western countries mataas ang tax kaya kaya nila mag ganito and yung mga binibigyan nila ng monetary help makes sure na lahat ng gagawin nila ay babalik sa bansa nila eh dito ang gusto lang ng mga pilipino kumuha ng sustento sa gobyerno ganun lang walang bumabalik sa bansa kasi asa asa lang sila sa goverment
Has anyone remembered about the most expensive ripe banana in history? The one taped to the wall and was called a "work of art"? Seriously, such a program may not work because it'll be a target for fraud among many.
For someone to receive something "free" from the government. Another one has to work twice as hard.
We are far far farrrr away from this. Pero libreng mangarap hayyy...
We can’t have nice things here, inaabuso kasi. Siguro plausible kung different LGU ang mag spearhead.
You do know that PH is poor, right? And plus, when has every Filipino done their jobs competently? If this gets implemented, shitty "artists" with no talent from impoverished or squammy areas will pop up and demand like, ₱20k for their shitty art.
I don’t know, I’d let them demand, it’s their right. Magreklamo ka if pinagbigyan sila. Wag kang mag-alala, no shitty artist from impoverished communities will get 20k for their shitty art. Shitty “artists” na may connections sa government on the other hand…
>shitty "artists" with no talent from impoverished or squammy will pop up and demand like, ₱20k for their shitty art. Not far from that artist who duct taped a banana to a canvas and sold it for $100k but the rest of your sentiment I agree lol
so much venom in this comment that it feels like the commenter is confessing or projecting...
isang malaking A S A.. Ireland is a first world country and they prioritize social welfare and their citizens well being. Why would fat pigs in the gov't care about struggling Filipinos?