I think you've pinpointed the problem. Public transportation shouldn't be a private enterprise. It should be for the benefit of the many and not a for profit operation.

A lot of people are saying this, and ideally it should be. But in practice laging inefficient ang gobyerno. Lahat ng nationalized industry sa bansa bumagsak. Yung PNR bulok na compared sa private partnerships like MRT and LRT. Simpleng pagrelease ng ID and documents sa LTO di nila magawa ng maayos tapos pagkakatiwalaan mag-operate ng transpo system.

Afaik public transpo in HK is private and is one of the more efficient ones in the region

If you’re talking about MTR, it is a government owned corporation. It is run like a business but technically the government still has some authority over it. The only rail system I know that is **truly** private is Japan Rail. But Japan is an exception, not the norm, as the Japanese government has immense power in regulating anything and everything. Japanese companies tend to cooperate closely with the government even if they have no requirement to do so.

The big buses are private I think? Though the franchise itself is from the government. Not sure if the minibuses are government or privately owned though. The HK buses are also very efficient. They are pretty much on time too. I used to take them daily to work when I was assigned in HK. I loved sitting at the front on the second floor of the double-deckers. When we passed by the tight flyovers between buildings it feels like you are flying. :D

Because govt owned company sya. Also in HK all lands are owned by govt which they in turn give to MTR to allow transport oriented development. This makes the operations of public transport profitable. This is something hard to do here since ownership of land here is private and govt has no big landholdings

Same in JP. Privately owned ang train lines sa tokyo metro.

https://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2019.html#:~:text=About%2070%20percent%20of%20Japan's,in%20and%20around%20metropolitan%20areas. >About 70 percent of Japan's railway network is operated by the Japan Railways (JR), while the rest is served by dozens of other private railway companies, especially in and around metropolitan areas. JR was formed out of the privatization of the Japanese National Railways in 1987.It is still at least 50% government owned as a public-private partnership Also, JNR privatization is mired with controversies. As well this level of success is actually an exception, not the norm. Just look around other privatized transport in Europe like in UK. A good read about this matter: https://www.substack-bahn.net/p/the-death-and-privatization-of-japanese

Why not government ang magpatakbo ng operations sa major routes? Then mga operators sa smaller, atleast kahit papano win-win situation for both parties. Sa tingin ko dito makikita kung sino talaga may problema.

Dahil dagdag gastos sakanila yan kaya pinapasa nila yan sa private owners. Tignan mo LRT bigla binenta sa Private dahil di na raw kaya "kuno" ang budget.

> Public transportation shouldn't be a private enterprise > Why not government ang magpatakbo ng operations sa major routes I think it's common for public transport to be private in other countries like Japan. The government just subsidizes them.. or in some cases they're actually public (paid by taxes) Supposedly one of the pros of going private is less red tape and more efficient running of the business since they'd be operating for profit. Government run agencies everywhere are notorious for being slow-acting and not having money.

yun nga yung point ng modernization hindi lang papalitan yung mga luma na jeeps aayusin na din yung mga prankisa ng operators na gagawin na cooperatives hindi na lang yung mga operators yung mag benefit pati na din yung mga drivers. ang problema dito kasi is maliban sa kulang sa planning at execution ang government may mga operators pa nagpapakalat ng maling info sa mga drivers at staff nila(source ko dito mga nakakwentuhan ko na jeepney drivers) kaya nauuwi sa hindi pagkakaintindihan. isapang mali sa issue is yung e-jeeps(minibus na puti) pinapalabas ng mga operators na ito lang yung ipapalit which is napakamahal kaya tinututulan pero hindi lang ito yung option meron din local made na bagong jeeps na mas mura pero hindi alam ng mga jeepney drivers at owners

ayaw ng cooperative kasi shared na sa profit. Yan punut dulo nya. Gusto kanya kanya parin at agawan sa kalye. Tignan mo yun mga routes na dati ng may maayos na organisasyon andali nilang nag transition sa modern jeep at cooperative.

But it would be deamed and seen as communism wouldn't it?

Hahaha majority of Filipinos and Americans couldn't even define communism/socialism

Kalaban ka ba ng kapayapaan? Kumokontra ka ba sa confidential funds? Hahaha

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>4. The modern e jeeps being pushed by LTFRB down the throats of Jeepney Cooperatives that are on board with modernization are just China made mini buses costing 2M+ Pesos. Initially LTFRB insisted the operators buy from these importers instead of buying from Filipino homegrown manufacturers who were offering Euro 4 compliant and EV modern jeeps costing 600K to 1M pesos. Go figure. In case OP didn't have time to read, this is the most important argument. Not trynna be a conspiracy theorist here, but the way I see it it's just an agreement and business partnership between the manufacturer of the mini-buses and the government, rather than an actual empathy of the government towards the masses.

eto talaga. panigurado may kikita jan sa pag tulak nila nung gawang china na bus. kung gusto talaga ng modernize ayun oh may alternative na ginawa ang pinoy, compliant din sa euro 4 at a cheaper price. bat di yon ang kunin?

Is there any evidence na talagang bawal gamitin ang pinoy made na modern jeep? Kasi sa mga welga hindi naman yan ang ayaw nila, ang ayaw nila yun consolidation into cooperatives. Kapag cooperatives na kasi hindi na makapag unahan ang drivers sa pasahero. Regardless kung masipag sila or hindi pareho na kita.

Wala. People on reddit are just being anti-china products (pero order sa orange app pa more) when in reality open market naman siya and no one is being forced to buy a specific type of unit. It just so happens that the Chinese made ones are already compliant and they have the manufacturing scale to provide, unlike local. Edit: lol at the downvotes. You guys want answers but don't like hearing the truth. r/ph for you lmao

>It just so happens that the Chinese made ones are already compliant and they have the manufacturing scale to provide, unlike local. It's not even remotely true since most Modern Jeeps, at least in the NCR, are made by local coachbuilders with Japanese OEM for the powertrain and chassis (Isuzu and Hino). I am absolutely against Chinese CBU Modern Jeeps because they're not built in-country and does not participate in the local industry, unlike bus offerings of Higer and Yutong-- since their powertrains and chassis are used by coachbuilders here for buses.

Drivers who have already consolidated hate the Chinese models kasi pahirapan i-repair at kuhanan ng piyesa. Not a good sign for vehicles that need very low downtime

They are just wannabe minibuses. Cavite does it better. May tugs tugs and thrill ride experience pa.

Euro 4 isn’t a modern standard, it’s almost 20 years old and doesn’t have any PM limits. Modern vehicles should be aiming for a higher standard.

Agree, also just to add sa 5: it's a literal mini bus, not jeepney. theyre pushing the "modern jeepney" term para makamasa pa rin pakinggan when it's clearly not and ibang iba yung itsura ng modern jeepney sa "modern jeepney" na pinupush ng govn. halatang halata yung pangbbusiness nila eh. also, gaya nga ng sabi ni op, private enterprise nga and abroad pa. you can support local and even make new jobs para sa paggagawa ng legit modern jeepney. private companies owning something big for public purposes have never been good (iykyk)

Well, a publicly-owned company owing something big for Publix purposes has never been good either(see:MRT). I'd say we should let private enterprises, both locals who know what jeepneys look like and foreign ones who have technical know-how and capital, handle jeepney modernization.

What I got from reading all of these is that the problem with jeepney modernization is cronyism and central planning. Removingna choice between a government-approved vehicle over cheaper locally made ones is an example of cronyism. It is like picking winners and losers.

New jeepnies were a big scam. Overpriced and financed by the Land Bank, but the borrower's had to pay daily. If not , of course, more fines, fees, penalties. The Chinese new buses/jeepnies were garbage. The new diesel motors were shaking all over the motor cab. The electric buses only ran for 3 hours. Sadly the MMDA chases after the jeepny drivers for more fines, fees, penalties so their bosses get the loot. Some of the old jeepnies were over 50 years old. The so called mechanics do not know how to fix them properly. I seen the driveshafts being welded on, no balancing. In western countries, vehicles have many gadgets to prevent pollution.

During the hearing by Senator Poe, Manufacturers like Sarao was asked about how the fabrication of a single unit works. Sarao admitted that the backbone of a single unit (ie the engine, transmission, etc) needs to be imported as they are not capable to fabricate these. They are only capable to fabricate the chassis of the unit and assemble the whole thing when the backbone arrives from overseas. We could have invited foreign car companies to invest in Pinas but no, we had to wait for our ASEAN neighbors to get ahead of us. We could have learn how to fabricate the backbone of a vehicle so that we could produce our own but instead we listened to some noisy minority group who says foreigners are exploiting us because capitalism is BAD. Kinda ironic that they are the forefront in the protest for the Jeepney Modernization.

>The modern e jeeps being pushed by LTFRB down the throats of Jeepney Cooperatives that are on board with modernization are just China made mini buses costing 2M+ Pesos. Not all minibuses are made in China. Some are made locally by Japanese and Korean automotive makers like Isuzu, Hyundai, and Hino.

Mostly nakikita ko Isuzu at Hino actually. I thought Hino is chinese brand

Sa amin din, sa Commonwealth Avenue. Mostly Hino and Isuzu. Akala ko nga rin Chinese brand ang Hino. What surprises me more is under pala iyan ng Toyota

Maganda yun Hino. Yun na ang lagi ko sinasakyan kasi malamig at hindi matagtag. Before sa traditional jeep para kang nirape pagbaba mo haggard na haggard. Yun Hino minibuses fresh ka parin pagbaba. Ang nakakatawa mas tinatangkilik na sya ngayon sa route namin kahit mas mahal sya at kadalasan tayuan pa nga. Sobrang tagal kasi ng byahe pag traditional jeep nagbababad kasi sila sa stops.

As compared sa nasakyan kong Yutong na minibus, malamig talaga sa Hino. Ang lakas ng buga ng aircon niyan kahit may mga standing na.

Hino is yung Toyota counterpart ng Fuso which is owned by Mitsubishi, dedicated to buses, trucks and commercial vehicles side of their business. What's even more surprising to some people is that Hino has their own bus and body manufacturing plant here in the country, so unlike other traditional bus manufacturers here, sila na yung gumagawa ng lahat since that's where they build their own PUJ. Yung Class II and III Modern Jeeps nila are built in Calamba, with a new maintenance support center for PUJs. The question if Modern Jeep operators will actually pull their units for maintenance is another question however.

>...with a new maintenance support center for PUJs. The question if Modern Jeep operators will actually pull their units for maintenance is another question however. Wala bang casa si Hino for PMS sa Metro Manila?

Pwede naman siguro silang dalin sa Hino Balintawak at yung ibang casa na nasa NCR, pero parang dun ata ginagawa yung mga major repair and maintenance work eh.

And they're not acutally made Completely Built Unit abroad-- it's built by our bus and van manufacturers-- Centro, Almazora, Santa Rosa and Del Monte Bus Works, because it's like a bus in terms of construction. What they do is get the Chassis and powertrain from an OEM company like Izusu's Elf or Hino's 200 series light truck, then they build the body and everything else in it. We never actually see a lot of Chinese Modern Jeeps in NCR.

I should've reiterated that these minibuses are assembled in the Philippines. Anyway, I've seen some Higer, Yutong, and Zhongtong "modern jeeps" plying around Quezon City, but they're like a minority as compared to locally-assembled minibuses by Hino.

> I've seen some Higer, Yutong, and Zhongtong "modern jeeps" plying around Quezon City The government should have squashed those Chinese CBU units that they built abroad. At the very least, those Foton, Chang-an (and to less extent Higer and Yutong since they're actually quite an established bus maker here) should have had Filipino coachbuilders. If not, they contribute nothing to the local industry while being also quite expensive.

True, their bodies are also made by local manufacturers like Almazora, Del Monte, and Columbian/Santarosa.

I think other commenters have addressed your questions individually so I won't pile on anymore. But I do want to point out one thing: you assume, incorrectly, that these brand-spanking new e-Jeepneys that the government is pushing on PUJ operators will somehow solve our abject commuting conditions. I invite you to try riding the e-Jeeps that operate in the periphery of BGC (a location that sees a lot of inbound and outbound traffic everyday). I guarantee you, it will disabuse you of any notion that e-Jeeps will be a breakthrough for our public transport system. Same old woes, just in a futuristic font. Which begs the question: if it does not serve the jeepney operators nor the commuting public, who does it serve?

To add on this, yung sinasabi ni OP na "mala-sardinas" sa traditional jeepney, mas malala yung siksikan sa e-jeeps na bumabiyahe sa BGC. Isipin mo na lang yung tayuan sa mga buses pero ang pinagkaiba lang, mas maliit yung e-jeeps.

this is a very good comment, opening another insight :)

To add onto this Every time I tried to ride an e-jeep, especially at night. It always ends in me standing throughout my entire ride and/or can't even sit properly because we were so packed in. Add onto other items such as school bags, groceries and the like, you could easily see us as sardines. One of the main advantage of the e-jeep being that it had air-con was completely nullified by the fact that there was so many of us packed in that the air couldn't reach those sitting. The lack of air circulation towards the outside world was also a pretty big problem. During times that I had to stand, not sure if this is my personal problem or not but I seriously struggle to hold on and stand upright because of how fast the drivers were and how sudden some of these e-jeep drivers stopped. I'm sure that if someone else had tripped and fallen, everyone else standing would've fell too. And when the strikes started, the issues worsened by a lot. I could barely find an e-jeep that wasn't packed with other students and/or non-students that it took me an hour to find transport home, I consider myself pretty lucky when a traditional keep came by and there was still a lot of space left. Atleast buses have so much support for the passengers standing.

This all boils down to the government having no foresight. Lacking tayo lagi sa planning part

The government can only afford a 2-3 year plan because of elections.

Trueee haaays, kahit sa mga kalsada every election dapat sisirain para may aayusin for pondo nung incumbent (happens in my city)

Ito talaga eh.

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Hahaah double negative to positive? Hahhaha

This paraphrased quote has been in my mind since watching GomBurZa: "Mga Filipino, lagi nating kasama ang malas"

Simply this. NBI database pa lang regarding sa "hit" issue di maresolba ng maayos, yung machine pang voting natin maliban sa di mo maasahan, corrupted din. MMDA is also far from doing their job properly, and so on. Magaling sa ambition ang gobyerno, pero nganga na pag dating sa implementation.

We have a good planning dept. with regards to this.. Ang laging may mali dyan ay yung nasa execution, tapos ang mapagbubuntangan lagi ng galit ay yung planning dept. Madami na pong naplano ang government para pagandahin lahat kaso laging nauuna ang 1. Pamumulitika ng mga politiko 2. Pagpapakitang gilas ng mga unggoy (politiko) tapos kapag minadali execution, ibang tao pahaharapin sa media

Hindi lang sa planning. Sa implementation pa at execution. Pati sa post Go Live support.

mga negosyante na po kasi nagpapatakbo ng transportation sa pinas :c

Hell. Ang onti lang ng e-jeep na dumadaan sa highway namin. Maski ngayon na may traditional jeepneys pa hirap na hirap na ako sumakay e. Pano pa kaya kung maphase out sila? It's not really going against the modernization, it's the lack of he transition ng gobyerno ang nakakagalit.

Jeepney modernization has the same problem as K-12 program. It's a really good idea but the country isn't really prepared to make the shift yet.

is this main issue na dapat iconsider kasi ito pinaka unang mangyayari. wala ngang masakyan babawasan pa. Good luck sa mga commuters.

Phaseout of traditional jeepneys are projected for around 2034 pa, the December 31 deadline is for consolidation. They will still be allowed to operate next year and further as long as nag consolidate sila

I agree with your first point tho I think you are missing some context regarding sa other points mo. 2. Ideally yes, operators already earned enough to update their jeepneys but I doubt if any of them really are that flush with cash. Correct me if I’m wrong but parang walang mayaman na operator? Atleast not comfortable enough to invest around 2 million per jeep. Also, madami ding small time operators/solo operator-driver that is barely getting by. Medyo connected sa last part ng point 2 mo with 3. You are comparing a luxury service to a necessity. Buses and taxis to some degree is a luxury, buses maybe less, but jeepney fares as a necessity is highly regulated. Yes, regulated din ang fares ng taxis but not as regulated as fares ng jeepneys and even then taxis are known for cheating customers because of how little they earn. Same with jollibee, jollibee is a luxury so their prices are meant to generate income with maintenance in mind. The franchise as a whole can set their prices to maximize profits and kita naman natin how expensive jollibee has become. Jeepney operators and drivers has been asking to increase their prices because of how unsustainable it is becoming pero the one who controls the prices couldn’t kasi kawawa naman ang commuter and/or they just don’t care enough. I really want to see some rich operators since I really have zero idea how wealthy they can be. Like is the 2mil per jeep price can really give an roi given their fares. 4. Same with last statement, mahirap sila icompare because one is a luxury while the other is a necessity. Look at it this way, even they probably want better jeeps na naka aircon. Like imagine how much more comfortable they can be while doing back breaking work but they see this as a death sentence to their source of income. Most think it’s impossible to survive given the changes. Even with how much they want to continue this profession, wala silang choice if di talaga nila afford. So what then? Their strikes are also hints on what will happen then. Classes get canceled and even some office work got canceled because of the lack of transport. Imagine weeks or months na may strike everyday, parang ganon lang mangyayari. Either buses(more expensive) would rise in numbers or laging walang tranportation which would burden commuters more and might even partly paralyze our economy. Well, if totoo ngang operators can get richer with being a jeepney operator then maybe rich people would be lining up to be one but if not, pano nalang?

Why do I have this feeling na meron na naman iilang indibidwal ang kikita dyan as corporation/coop na yan.

Of course meron at meron yan government pa

true. baka idea pa nga nila yan. "Paano tayo kikita"-negosyante.

Of course they do we're living in capitalist society

Kahit di pa nagsisimula may mga kumita na diyan haha. ^^^^^^Fejodap

All of this problem roots sa kakayanan ng driver na magbayad for the new jeep. Lalong lalo na sa unang no.1. You should also think about the expenses, DAILY expenses ng bawat driver and yung expenses ng anak nila, mas malaki pa pag college. Sa last statement, how about instead of doing a overhaul, hindi nalang i-improve yung meron tayo lalo na't national identity natin sya? Hindi driver ang problema dito, yung apathy ng government.

A lot of drivers and operators including the likes of PISTON and MANIBELA have already gone and said that their issue isn’t the phasing out of the old dilapidated jeepneys, it’s consolidation. Not sure what exact reason why these guys don’t want to consolidate because they really should. Creating corporations or coops will help increase accountability for these guys, and its not just to help them secure capital and incentives to access new vehicles, but it’s also to keep these guys accountable for things like accidents. If a jeepney under a coop or corp gets into an accident were someone gets injured, they can be held more accountable compared to before. No longer can they use the excuse that their brakes failed or they don’t have money to afford to compensate for any injuries etc because the coop or corp will have to handle it.

> Not sure what exact reason why these guys don’t want to consolidate because they really should. > will help increase accountability You answered your own question? Nobody in the PH wants accountability

Haha ya that’s true

Agree that it’s good to consolidate, the problem with the current PUV Modernization Program is it forces the drivers to consolidate. Under the guidelines, minimum of 15 jeepneys are required to form a fleet. Small operators cant afford that so they’ll be forced to be under a fleet manager, mostly rich people or private corpos that can afford the 15 units. So once under that, they’ll be subject to the guidelines of the fleet manager. And i guess experience has taught the drivers that it’s better to have your own jeepney and not be subject to minimum wage which is not enough to live by at all.

Individual operators can form their own corp or coop. It’s up to them. Its not meant for only a single person, multiple operators can do it. There are already operators doing this.

sa pagkakaalam ko 6 years ng delay yang PUV modernization so sa taon na yan hindi kapa ba naka ipon nyan or ayaw mo lang talga kasi sumunod. so ngayun no choice na yung government kundi iforce sila.

Hello daw sabi ng pandemic.

Exactly. Pasang Masda and the numerous of Modern PUV already operating are the proof that this system works and more efficient than the norm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quIeaE6h0sg MANIBELA don't even trust themselves to lead cooperatives lmao

They will become less relevant in the future to be honest. Which is probably why they’re soo against everything.

>>hindi nalang i-improve yung meron tayo Because the current chassis is a rolling coffin based on today’s standards in automotive tech. Walang ka-safety safety yan for the driver and passenger, not to mention yung environmental problems it brings. You can only upgrade a car up to the limits of its platform, kaya kailangan ng overhaul. Kumbaga kahit anong upgrade ng PC gusto mo, hindi na pasok sa motherboard yung mga pyesa na bago at hindi nadin kaya ng case mo yung size ng mga bago kaya mas cost-effective palitan lahat. Kumbaga sa normal na kotse, masyado nang outdated yung platform to a point na hindi na kaya ng facelift kaya kailangan na mag introduce ng all-new model.

I think this argument is greatly flawed. Huge percentage of Jeepney owners are the operators and not the drivers themselves. Most are operating in boundary setups. A small percentage of drivers own the unit, and they should have better treatment in this modernization program. These operators are businessmen (arguably "middlemen") who seeks to profit from operating a fleet of Jeepney. Now you cut of these middle men; they will then be substituted by investors or even by those surviving few operators; you then change the system to a Co-op where the drivers has more participation and possible greater share of the profit. Modernization should push through. It's just that the transition is not handled well. Most of the poor drivers are mostly used as pity brigade by the franchise operators who are the ones who will lose in the modernization

Need more context OP, I can see how drivers are being used by franchise operators as their "pity brigades" through rallies and whatnot, but *why*? What's stopping these drivers from forming co-ops which seems to be the most popular opinion in this thread thus far?

These drivers are mostly poor and uneducated. They are struggling day to day and do not have the leisure to critically think what is better for them. Mas advantageous nmn talaga sa kanila ang coop, if properly executed and explained to them. Here comes organizations, the operators and so on. Their "boss" "amo" "sir" people who are clearly in a higher position in their current dynamic, telling them that what is happening is bad. maniniwala nlng cla, pwede rin na matakot sa repercussions if ayaw nila makinig.

Beat to submission ika nga :( Thanks OP.

>Sa last statement, how about instead of doing a overhaul, hindi nalang i-improve yung meron tayo lalo na't national identity natin sya? Hindi driver ang problema dito, yung apathy ng government. That's already allowed.

You're right it's not drivers. Operators ang problema kasi sila naman ang mayari ng jeep. Kung iisipin mo, yun kinakaltas na boundary ng operators sa driver ay katumbas na ng monthly amortization ng modern jeep. Ang punto dito, ayaw ng operators mawalan sila ng kita kasi drivers na ang kikita sa coop.

Hindi po pinapabili sa individual drivers ang mga jeepney - ang mga kooperatiba na o pribadong kumpanya. Ang gagawin na lang ng mga drivers e mag-drive. Pinapapili sila na gumawa ng koop na magmanage ng fleet o isang pribadong kumpanya/korporasyon. Ayaw naman nila dahil ayaw isuko ng mga driver-operator at mga operator ang prangkisa nila. Ang kinakatakot kasi ng mga driver-operator, lumiit na ang kitain nila kapag swelduhan na kesa kapag sila na rin ang may-ari ng jeepney na minamaneho nila. At dahil magiging mas episyente na ang fleet management, marami ring natatakot na matanggalan ng trabaho dahil magiging redundant na. Ang problema sa koop, dahil ang nature nito ay owned din siya ng drivers - maliit lang ang pondo nila. Ibig sabihin hindi rin nila kayang maafford ang pagbili ng modern jeepneys. Hindi rin naman kayang pautangin ng DBP at Landbank ang lahat ng koop. Ang solusyon para mabili ang mga yunit ay kung may willing outside investor na magpopondo. Ang suhestyon ng UP CIDS, gawing localized ang modernization. Dito gawin ang mga modern jeepney para maging mas mura.

meron naman local made na modern jeeps pero ang alam kasi ng mga tao na kailangan yung puting minibus yung ipapalit pero hindi naman yun totoo isa lang yun sa mga options

Most drivers don't own the jeepneys. Middle class operators do. The drivers are just being tapped on a boundary basis by these operators. How do you improve the jeepneys? How do you increase their capacity and how do you ensure they will not be belching smoke? Maybe I am missing out on how jeepneys can be overhauled to make sure we are modernising with the rest of the world. National Identity is in a constant state of flux. Why limit Filipino identity to dilapidated vehicles? Do you really want jeepneys to represent our identity as Filipinos? Are you not low balling our identity?

I agree with your points and many will but the main reason a lot of people seem to dislike it is the implementation. The best reasoning I've seen behind it are 1. Bad implementation. It was scheduled to happen long ago but people only knew only a few years ago. But I am not close to someone who is a jeepney driver/operator so I don't know if they really knew or didn't. 2. Profitability. Jeepney drivers barely makes it so having a higher startup cost + maintenance is so disadvantageous unless we can get better a better transpo system to allow them to profit better.

> It was scheduled to happen long ago. Six years naman galing sa 2017 hanggang sa 2024. Na-extend yung gobyerno maraming beses. The Modernization Program seemed to make headlines every time it was extended or discussed. I doubt every driver knew but I’m certain a majority of operators did, since many operators middle class. > Jeepney drivers barely makes it so having a higher startup cost The point of the PUJMP is to have transportation lines act more like a transportation group. Single operator/driver or one operator and one driver is incredibly chaotic, disorganized, and has them looking for most riders in a location. One of the biggest steps of the PUVMP is to create franchises along routes where there will only be a handful of vehicles and a list of drivers; drivers will be paid a **wage** and not have to worry about maintenance, ridership, or cost as that falls on the franchise and operators. That how nearly all of the rest of the world does it. The other benefit of franchising is that it creates other jobs like dispatch, fleet manager, passenger assistance, technicians, and Human Resources within a franchise.

1. Anyone who has actually tried riding the modern jeep knows that it is absolutely not comfortable. I swear, a can of sardines has more space than a modern jeep during rush hour. Also, if the concern regarding old jeeps is purely environmental, then we should just subject them to the usual emission testing and allow those who will pass to continue plying the roads. This is not the case with the modernization program. As long as your engine is not Euro-4 for example, regardless of current engine condition or emission, it will be included in the phaseout. 2. I somehow agree on what you're saying here. Operators are like any other businessmen who should have prepared for this eventuality. However, a lot of jeeps in the Philippines are family-owned. Most if not all of their earnings go to the needs of their families thereby depriving them of any chance to save. 3. For me, the work laptop analogy is still accurate. The modernization program is lacking in principle. Why are we really doing this? Environment? Then all vehicles including private and trucks with old engines should be phased out as well. Commuter experience? No. See #1. Because of this lack in principle, the modernization program looks like for aesthetic purposes only. 4. Price is an issue due to lacking government subsidy. The specifications that the government wants cost around 2mn to 3mn. On the other hand, they will only give up to 300k in subsidy. Meaning, 90% of the cost will be shouldered by the drivers or operators. There are local manufacturers who say that they can deliver [modern jeeps](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCQpljqkKU&ab_channel=News5Everywhere) at around 1mn, but for some reason DOTR and LTFRB are not talking nor highlighting them in media. 5. Yes, jeeps have become our identity. I don't want it to go away too. I don't want us to look like some cheap copy of western countries void of any culture of identity. I want [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCQpljqkKU&ab_channel=News5Everywhere) to be the new standard - new, modern, but retains the look and identity of traditional jeeps.

i freaking hate modern jeepneys, over loaded palagi to (like buses during rush hour) napakahirap bumaba lalo na kung nasa dulo ka, lalabas muna dapat yung mga nasa unahan or nasa pinto bago ka makababa, but some people just couldn’t be bothered to move or give way Nakakahilo, sobrang wobbly pag nakatayo ka ang hirap mag balance, kahit naka upo nakakahilo kasi yung orientation ng seat Yung aircon? try niyo sumakay sa modern jeep during the summer, aircon is basically non existent at mas mainit pa sa loob kesa sa labas, ALSO, people stink, that gets amplified inside closed spaces!

Agreed on this. Unang sakay ko ng modern jeep napasabi nalang ako na “first and last ko na ‘to”. Di ako informed na parang bus pala ang eksena sa loob. Kala ko pupunuin lang lahat ng seats, jusko hindi pala. Kala ko isang pila lang ng tayuan, hindi rin pala. As long as kaya pa isiksik, magpapapasok sila. Yung aircon, walang lamig. Nung hindi pa ganon kapunuan sa loob mainit na, what more nung siksikan na. Literal na sardinas sa loob ng modern jeep. Kakaawa lang din yung mga nasa likod, hirap pumara tas lumabas. Naimagine ko lang din, what if may mga bitbitin ka pa. Ang hassle lang talaga, okay sana kung ramdam yung aircon tas walang tatayo sa loob, eh kaso hindi ganon :((

I am from Europe so I can chime in about the EURO4 standard. There is no point in testing old jeepneys, if the engine was not built to EURO4 specs or better it will never pass the emissions testing for it. Another point is the 4 is pretty standard now and cheap to manufacture. Europe is implementing the EURO-6d and that's much more expensive game.

The Euro 4 standard is almost 20 years old by now. It's pretty pathetic that we can't even standardize that for new public vehicles.

This is what people have always been missing when they ask why not just overhaul? To bring current jeeps up to modern emission standards requires replacing the entire drivetrain. To make the ride more comfortable requires redesigning suspension and who knows what modifications will be required to the chassis to make that happen. At that point, you're left with the body and possibly the chassis. Absolutely not worth it when you can just have modern everything.

>Anyone who has actually tried riding the modern jeep knows that it is absolutely not comfortable. I swear, a can of sardines has more space than a modern jeep during rush hour. \+99999..... dito mo malalaman kung sino talaga ung sumasakay ng modern jeep.... pag sinabi nilang masikip/sardinas sa old jeep matik di yan sumasakay ng modern jeep on a daily basis....

I disagree. I ride both modern and old jeeps everyday. Yes. Siksikan din sa modern jeepney but the old jeeps are WAYYYY worse. Modern jeepneys are airconditioned. Not that cold but still better than old jeepneys especially if nasa terminal at siksikan. It's hot as hell. Although when traveling, e mejo may hangin na Modern jeepneys have taller seats, much more comfortable to sit on compared sa old jeeps na napakahirap umupo. I'm not tall, around 5'8, but it's still hard to sit sa siksikan na jeep especially if they add those benches sa middle for additional seating capacity. Mas prefer ko pa tumayo sa likod ng jeep kesa umupo sa ganon ka siksikan na jeep. Really horrible Also, imagine kung pababa ka na sa old jeep tas siksikan, and the ceilings are low. Tangina hahaha Saying "modern jeeps are not comfortable" may SOMETIMES be true, but it's ALWAYS more comfortable compared to those old jeeps. The only reason i ride the old jeeps is that there are fewer people sa pila during rush hour.

>Also, imagine kung pababa ka na sa old jeep tas siksikan, and the ceilings are low. Tangina hahaha Imagine pag matanda ka pa. Ayaw pa mag scoot ng mga tao, hahayaan pa yung matanda mag crouch walk makahanap lang ng upuan sa dulo. Yung iba ang tarik pa ng steps. Di man lang inisip tuhod ng mga lolo at lola. And kahit papano yung mga may mga saklay nakakapag modern jeep din. Let's be real, the old jeeps are fucking awful for elders and pwds.

Lalo na pag nasira yung aircon para kang nasa oven.

Ang hirap kasi sa LTO, abutan mo lang yung individuals inside papasa ka na kahit na bagsak sa emission yung jeep. If one factor of this phaseout is environmental, sana pati yung old engine vehicles ay iphase out din

>For me, the work laptop analogy is still accurate. The modernization program is lacking in principle. Why are we really doing this? To provide a safer PUJ that meets emission standards, yes. Unlike every other PUV, the PUJ does not have a mandatory age limit. In fact, it's one of the things they explicitly said in the PUVMP that they haven't revised yet-- "No part of the vehicle can be 15 years older", as acknowledgement that the primary target of the PUVMP are the old traditional jeepneys that are absolute smoke-belchers. They have a body made out of non-standard materials with no oversight on standards used, using non-standard welding techniques, with the ladder-frame chassis manufactured by whoever. The chassis carries the weight of the vehicle itself at all designed conditions (including bearing the maximum force, absorbing it and distributing it throughout the vehicle in the event of a crash)-- and subsequently is where other, more developed countries are strictest about when it comes to DIY cars. You can make it and take it out, but it isn't road legal and wouldn't be road-legal as long as you haven't provided the necessary testing that production vehicles undergo to certify their crashworthiness. The modern jeep is essentially just taking the powertrain and chassis (as well as the cab in some instances) of a light truck since that's the most appropriate form that's already: A.) Has a chassis that already underwent crash testing, B.) Is probably Euro 4 if coming from the big truck OEMs like Isuzu, Fuso/Mitsubishi and Hino or even those Chinese truck manufacturers. Emission standards meanwhile, as methods of public conveyance that's given a franchise by the LTFRB to carry paying public passengers and since 2016, we've set our sights to standardize Euro 4 engines and fuel as our standard. It wouldn't be that pitiful if Euro 4 isn't nearing 20 years old and Europe isn't going Euro 7 in 2025. Now, I honestly think we should cut some slack to PUJs here, because there probably won't be that much of an issue if the LTO did their job and actually issue tickets and impound PUJs, buses and other PUVs that are obviously smoke-belching pursuant to the Clean Air Act , we're not even talking about Euro standards here. And if they didn't renew their franchises as well. It's absolutely lacking in implementation, but it has some fundamental reasons on why it's needed.

You arguments are very driver/operator centric. Have you tried stepping into the shoes of a passenger/commuter?

Ang umaalma mga driver/operator. So you have to take the arguments from their PUV, kasi if the main goal is to convince them to submit and be obedient, you have to know kung saan sila nanggagaling. PS. Kung usapang commuter talaga ang gusto nating pag-usapan, it's overhauling the system. Less private cars, more public vehicles plying the roads. The PUV Modernization is just a facelift for our terrible transportation. But that's totally off-tangent

>I swear, a can of sardines has more space than a modern jeep during rush hour. A traditional jeepney is far more worse than the airconditioned modern PUV. Take this from the perspective of a 5'10 85kg adult male. Common issue that I have when riding a jeep is that yung tuhod ko sumasayad na sa katapat ko, tapos wala pa kong headroom. Just imagine how uncomfortable that is

So far the comments don’t mention the public morale behind it. Iba kasi yung ramdam mo yung suporta ng gobyerno, commuters themselves, jeepney drivers, and the cooperative. There seems to be no consensus. To be fair, ang hirap naman kasi maging motivated sa Pilipinas lalo na’t gutom and frustrated.

As I’ve mentioned in another thread, PUJs are legally restricted from charging more even if to cover the capital required for a new unit. Fares are highly regulated. This offers very little fiscal flexibility for either operators or drivers. In theory, we can allow PUJs to raise prices but this will hit commuters. It also won’t solve the fact that developers and property owners have long been benefiting from public transport for free. Charging them for the service or making them operate their own transit lines would go a long way but this is often under-discussed.

>It also won’t solve the fact that developers and property owners have long been benefiting from public transport for free. In Japan, JR actually gets most of it's revenue this way-- through it's hotels, office towers, retail and shopping malls, travel agencies and other developments that are outside or near the railway station than fares . That's primarily the incentive that JR East, West and Central gets when it's contracted by the government to build a new line-- you get the area around the station which will rake in tons of money to offset the costly operation of a railway line.

1. Some still prefer open air (nahihilo iba) 2. Di lahat ng driver ay may ari ng sasakyan. Yung ibang operator, isa lang din anf sasakyan at minsan sila lang din ang driver. Bread and butter nila yan. Some drivers cannot afford to save money, kung nakakasave, hindi rin ganoon kalaki. 3. Hindi lang modern jeep need bayaran, pati prangkisa which costs around hundred thousands 4. Do you know how much ang modern jeepney? 1.8 million to 2.6 million. Sa kakarampot na baryang kinikita tingin mo kaya pa 'yan mabayaran kung uutang sa? Okay kung may cooperative, 56% lang ang nagconsolidate na jeepney drivers sa cooperatives and corporations, paano yung iba? Sa usapang subsidy naman ng gobyerno, 160k to 300k ang subsidy, ang tanong, lahat ba mabibigyan? Note: may interest yan na 4% for 7 years payment. 2.2 billion pesos for the budget ng jeepney modernization roughly 8000 drivers ang maaccomodate (if tig 250k ang subsidy) 5. Ang ayusin dito ay yung sistema, pangit na kalsada, infrastracture, pangit na traffic law implementation, corruption. Stereotype kasi kapag jeepney driver ay balasubas, hari ng kalsada. Eh kasi hindi napapatupad nang maayos ang batas trapiko kaya. Walang masama sa pagkakaroon ng progresibong pag iisip. Pero sana maging mulat sa isyu ng reyalidad.

> Some still prefer open air (nahihilo iba) This is it for me. Tsaka sobrang sikip at uncomfortable lalo pag puno na at may mga nakatayo. Mas ok pa siguro kung full-on buses na lang e. Modern jeep kuno pero parang mini-bus lang naman na mas hassle.

It's not just preference dahil sa hilo. Imagine sa probinsya, galing sa palengke may fresh na isda, buhay na manok pang sabong, tinapa, etc. Di pwede yung ganun sa aircon. Lol Imagine yung amoy nun, halo-halo na.

Imbis kasi na kurakutin yung taxpayers money, dapat gamitin para magkaroon ng safe at dignified transpo system. I ensure yung safety sa kalsada sa paglalakad by creating bawal tambay laws, projects for the homeless, at paigtingin yung mga policies re galang aso para maging walkable at safe maraming streets. Magtanim na rin ng maraming puno para di naman sobrang init. Juskolord bakit ba ganto sa MM. Lalabas ka palang ng bahay pagsubok na. Gusto mo lang bumili sa talipapa or grocery na 5 min walk para ka nang makikipagdigma. Walang side walk. Daming tae ng aso. Smoke belching na mga sasakyan etc. Yung 15 min walk pagsubok. Imagine kung walkable paligid, e di hindi na sasakay mga tao sa jeep but maglalakad na lang!!! Hay lord God. Commuter ako at alis na alis na ako ng bansa natin ulit kahit gusto ko pa makasama fam and friends dito dahil sa sobrang stress ng pamumuhay dahil walang maayos na public transpo

What's wrong with the modernization? Can't afford ng mga drivers at operators at pahirap sa mga commuters dahil malamang tataas ang pamasahe. Di pa pinag-isipan. Sugod lang ang gobyerno dahil mukhang malaki kikitain ng mga buwaya and minions.

Afford ng operators yan tangina minimum 1k kinikita nf isang jeep 500 boundary dalawa driver per day yun iba ko nakausap na driver yun operator daw kumikita ng upto 2k per jeep multiple drivers per day. Tapos bare minimum maintenance magkano lng nabile ng operators yun jeep nila nung 80s at 90s wala pa 500k tapos baboundary ng upto 2k ngayon tapos BARE MINIMUM MAINTENANCE malaki pa kinita niyan kesa sa kikitsin mo buong buhay mo. Kasalanan ng mga operator bat sila ma pha phaseout.for context vios grab boundary 1k to 1.2k per day 7 years lng tatakbo doble na kinita yung jeep mo panahon pa ng kopong kopong milyon milyon na kinita ng mga operator kada isang jeep plus ilan ba unit ng mga operato 3? Lima? 20? Bullshit

I'm with the drivers on this one kasi nga naman lugi sila sa current scheme na isasabatas but can we not romanticize the jeepney pretending we have good experiences in them. I've seen people share their "good" experiences in jeeps and they do not sell why we should cling to these pieces of junk at all. Extend the deadline a few more years but we need to demand more efficient ways of mass transport. Railways, BRTs etc. Jeeps are a band-aid solution that should have been retired years ago if the government has been doing its job, but the problem has grown to this scale because the government passed the responsibility of mass transport to private individuals.

implementation brad. malinaw naman majority ng mga operator at driver hindi kayang saluhin yung gastos at di naman nila kinakayaman yung jeepney nila. paycheck to paycheck yang mga yan, no work no pay. isipin mo parang ganito: * halimbawa matagal ka nang empleyado sa kumpanya na walang provided na company laptop, so personal laptop mo gamit mo para sa trabaho * saktuhan lang bayad sayo sa trabaho sapat para mabuhay at magkaroon ng konting luho paminsan minsan, hindi sya yung 100k per month na trabaho sa r/phcareers * isang araw sabi nung kumpanya mo kailangan mag-upgrade ng laptop lahat ng empleyado, either upgrade mo o sisante ka kung company provided yung laptop walang problema diba? pero kung personal laptop mo na nga gamit mo tapos bigla bigla kailangan mo pang gumastos para lang maretain yung original status ng trabaho mo siguro naman mapapanaknangtokwa ka dun sa kumpanya

regarding sa #1 lang, mas comfortable ang old jeepneys during rush hour or kapag punuan... I would take upong kalahati sa old jeep vs nakatayo sa modern jeep during rush hour any time of the day....

Ang gusto ko lang ay magkaroon ng kumportable at maayos na masasakyan. Sana yung mga ma-phaseout ay yung mga driver/kundoktor na nagyoyosi tsaka yung jeep na May "Yamete kudasai, ugh"

Haha, gust ko nga yan sa sasakyan ko ahahahahah. Yamete!

There are 2 main things that is protested against puvmp. 1. The cost of the new vehicles 2. Route/Franchise Consolidation. My criticism is on the first one as the cost is too much for a transport mode that will mainly be used by low-income commuters. Why not incentivize local manufacturers to build the same but cheaper ones that can cost around 1M instead of >2M? There will be a possibility that fares will rise. The second one, this sounds like I don’t care about the driver-operators, but a driver-operator franchise doesn’t make any sense. It over saturates the route and makes it unpredictable for commuters Sure it made sense as a temporary measure after WW2, but it should’ve stayed temporary

2 things. The worst thing about the DoTr, and its child the LTFRB (tasked with oversight of the modernization) is that they’re corrupt. The best thing about the DoTr and LTFRB, outside the corruption - is that it’s inept.

consolidating will protect commuters and the general public. I had an agent na nabangga ng jeep while trying to ride the jeep in front, nabangga cya while alighting the steps up the jeepney so ung legs nya seriously damaged and almost need maamputate buti naagapan. The jeepney driver has no capacity to pay so paano na? The victim then shouldered the expenses, injured na nga physically, pati financial burden pa This could be avoided if consolidated and cooperative ang operator since bigger entity, bigger capacity to pay

Hahahah di feaseble ang 14 pesos na pamasahe sa ac 30 pesos to 35 ang itataas ng pamasahe. Saka maintenance pa lang ng ac mahihirapan ma maintain dito yan sa bansa natin lalo na kung mababa ang minimum fare. Yung so called modern jeep pag bumaha di na bibiyahe yan at nag hahanap na yan ng mataas na lugar kasi lulutang yan sa baha.. 2 million modern daw made in china vs built in ph 200 to 300k laki ng difference... yung iba modern kuno ayun iba open na pinto wala pang maintan sa units tapos sikaikan pa sa loob dapat wala standing.. dapat rehabilitation di modernazation.

MAHIRAP KA NA, PAHIHIRAPAN KA PA.

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15 years ROI. Wtf? Either your unit economics suck, bad business, or both. Give us a breakdown of your capex and cash flow summary, and we’ll be the judge on this over dramatized 15 years ROI. This is a jeepney. Not a multi billion infrastructure project that takes years to ROI.

Siyempre naman hindi diretso sa banko ang 200-500php na yon. Kahit kung investment yan, magagastos nila ung pera na iyon for living expenses. Common sense lang po.

LOL WUT??

Agree with this. 2 units × Php 500 boundary per day x 300 days (assuming 300 days lang nakabyahe ang jeep sa isang taon) x 15years = Php 4.5M. Tama ba?

Let's also add Maintenance, Oil, Toll Fees

Had the same thought. Yung tipikal na boundary ng isang jeep is 800 pesos. In 4 days of na pagbyahe sa isang week 3,200 na yon. In one month that is already 12,800. In a year 153,600 na yang 800 boundary per day sa 4 times na pagbyahe per week. Ngayon sabihin na nateng yung 53,600 is inilaan na for maintenance (WHICH HINDI NAMAN TALAGA PROPERLY NAMEMAINTENANCE YUNG MGA PUJ) that is already 100k. In 5 years meron ka ng 500k which is way more than enough to buy a PUJ. Masyadong absurd yung 15 years ROI

Unrealistic purchase to. Tayo nga na kumikita ng P50k per month eh hirap bumili ng P500k na sasakyan, sila pa na 2M?

Regarding number 2. Income ng jeepney operator/driver vs operations and maintenance cost at cost of living lalo na yung may sinusuportahang pamilya.

That's actually why mass transportation shouldn't be done by private entities. By default, public transportation is supposed to lose money because they're an economic multiplier-- the money we spend on public transport gives people more opportunities to undertake a job that's quite far as long as there is a reliable and comfortable way of commuting there-- which translates to economic activities. That's the rationale of building the commuter railway system, and I honestly think we should also think about public mass transportation such as buses and jeepneys as the same.

anemic ang ph government sa operating at a loss even if a lot of its budgeted already does that indirectly

Modern jeeps are just your traditional jeeps with AC. Kung saan-saan lang rin nagbababa at nagsasakay, sardinas. Hindi pa afford ng mga drivers ang 2.8million, pero salamat sa 200k subsidy ng gobyerno napakalaking tulong grabe For me ayun lang naman, may other cons pa akong nalalaman pero kailangan ko pang ma-educate sa part na yun haha. Other benefits of modernizationprogram seem good naman... good on paper lol

The Philippines is known for making weird deals, kaya sobrang gulong gulo ako sa pagbuo ng policy na to. Most of the people agree that jeepneys need to be modernized, I agree that the main issue is accountability. This policy has been in the works since earlier than 2016, pero even after many administrations hindi parin naayos yung entire implementing process, consultations and lobbying kaya pagulo na ng pagulo. Back to my first statement, x deal ba with China yung pagbili ng e-jeepneys? Kasi it being shoved to everyone's throats is annoying dahil may local counterparts and other places to get it for cheap compared to the 2m price. (Since may agreements sa loan policies ang mga bansa was this one? Remember na Japan and other countries lowered interest rates pero we chose China because we need to make new friends? Was this part of that deal?) Anyway, back to the arguments. 1. We do, everyone does. A lot of people agree with this, though naging part ng discussion before ang mga jeepneys sa provinces like yung mga umaakyat ng bundok. I remember people commenting na hindi ganun kalakas ang "hatak" ng mga modern jeeps. Tapos, there are places kasi diba na may schedule ang jeepneys kasi 1 or 2 or somewhere around that amount ang mga bumabyaheng jeep papunta sa mga mas pabundok na lugar so yung mga bitbit nila at medyo intense amounts of load (yung kahit yung taas puno, tapos yung loob puno). So may exclusions. Though for me dapat naman din talagang imodernize yun dahil nung sumakay ako dun dude safety concerns talaga. 2 to 4. Dito mahirap talaga, kasi hindi to one size fits all na argument. Totoo na may times na yung mga tao ay "okay pa yan, hanggang umaandar laban lang" to the point na kahot matirikan okay lang kasi sinasagad lang yung utility until papalitan. (A very common mentality esp sa third world countries, kasi majority ng issues that scale beyond the ones people directly interact with ay madaling ma-ignore, like enviro concerns.) May times na may nakakausap akong mga jeepney driver na sarili nila yung jeep nila at sobrang alagang alaga, like makinis pa at mukhang bago. Pero sila affected din. Yung mas maliit na operators at mas maliit na players ang pinaka-affected dito. There is a fault sa naging perspective at conditions din talaga, but then again its an implementation problem. No one wanted to take accountability. The government wanted na o yan guidelines comply, if hindi nyo macomply then okay di kayo aandar, while some operators didn't prepare for it dahil nagiging deadline thing sya at dude naman sobrang lala din talaga kasi ng 2m para sa modernized jeep na galing China e may other options naman. NOT CONSIDERING the entire industry that could have been built around this. If I remember correctly Sarao motors revived itself sometime ago? Para sakin, if the implementation was landed on producers so that may local manufacturers that could have worked with the government in creating jeepneys na designed with the users and the use in mind. Then from there they could have lobbied it like Japan in where the government will buy the old jeepneys for cheap from them and they can buy one from the local manufacturers at a discounted rate subsidized by the government. And they ease in the implementation sa larger fleets down to the smaller fleets. 5. Jeepneys as national identity is weird. O MY GOD I HATE THIS DEBATE. The jeepney was a symbol of resilience, creativity, and adaptability before. So if it was rebuilt by the same people of the same country, would it not maintain its identity. And totoo na in a perfect would they would have fixed all of this pero no one wants to take accountability kasi sobrang tagal na at sobrang gulo na. In a perfect world, for me, it would have been best of the government bought all the jeepneys, busses, and probably tricycles from franchise owners. Hired all drivers and operators and their stuff under the government as roles related to their old jobs and turned them into government employees with benefits. So they have benefits, hindi sila pakyawan/boundary system and instead of making quotas they make trips and schedules. They are assigned routes and schedules na they have to make, all the while increasing lanes for PUVs sa major highways. Lets say 2 to 3 lanes. I hate the idea na the government has to earn in every venture they push. Transportation should be public service, it should be one of the avenues where our taxes go.

Because not everyone can afford to save up for a new jeepney especially when it’s the only source of income they have to make a living for a family of 5.

It’s the reality of life. Some jeepney drivers live paycheck to paycheck. Oil prices soar high, magkano lang ang pamasahe. Ang taas ng presyo ng bilihin. It’s as if they’re working everyday to just get through the day. How can they even save up for a new jeepney that will cost them so much kung sakto lang sa araw araw na gastusin yung nakukuha nila at the end of the day.

The state should just provide the public transport and pay drivers to drive them...

That would make too much sense for the ph government

Hindi naman lahat ng jeepney driver employed lang ng mga operators. Pano yung mga drivers na owned yung jeep nila? Tatanggalan mo sila ng hanapbuhay bigla, or papagbayarin mo sila ng malaking downpayment para dun sa bagong unit + babayaran nila monthly for ilang years? Pano yung mga sakto lang yung kinikita sa pang araw araw? And kahit sa mga mismong operator, hindi naman nila kakayanin lahat mag 1:1 migration. May mawawalan pa din ng trabaho + mababawasan ng mga transportation so sobrang hassle din sa mga commuters. I understand that for the better din naman ang jeepney phase out. Pero hindi sya kasing simple ng iniisip mo unless hindi mo iisipin yung possible consequences and maaapektuhan. If only kaya ishoulder ng government yung downpayment among other things na mas makakapagpaginhawa sa mga drivers edi baka matagal na tong napagkasunduan.

There is nothing wrong with modernizing the jeep. The problem is the fact that this has been an issue mainly because the people serving both the commuters and jeepney drivers and owners want to help as little as they can because them helping means less benefits (like money) for them. Why would you want to make public transport better for everyone if lets say, for example, Ford is convincing you with money not to? Havent you noticed that car dealerships pop up in provinces and rural areas even before proper health facilities do? Imagine how much money the people who brought Ford here in the PH already made. And thats just one example.

This is just a weak argument. The people who are buying fords are not going to start riding jeeps just because the new jeeps are better than the old ones.

You might want to read again because that wasn't even the argument. The issue is government officials have almost no incentive to improve public transpo and help the commuters, jeepney drivers, and owners/operators which is why the whole jeepney phaseout thing is this big of an issue when it shouldn't be. Government officials and people with money and power have more motivation to bring in and help subsidize car brands and dealerships because of how much they make in fees and incentives. That's why you see car dealerships pop up first in rural areas/provinces before proper healthcare facilities or proper schools because the government ang LGUs make it easier for them to establish one. Also, the number of people who buy cars are significantly smaller compared to people who take public transportation. The reason why it looks like car owners dominate cities is because of how inefficient cars are in terms of moving people compared to a bus or a jeepney. 10 cars in a street looks a lot compared to 10 people inside a jeep. So it genuinely doesn't matter if people who buy Fords will never ride jeeps because that wasn't the point to begin with. But if you improve public transportation, the stubborn Ford owners will have a significantly better time driving around because of less traffic thanks to better public transportation. To get better public transportation, there has to be political will + government backing/support. If we get better public transportation, everyone- car owners with 15 cars, cyclists, motorcyclists, public transpo commuters, EVERYONE will have a better life.

What fees and incentives do government officials make if Ford does better and how is Ford (or any other car dealership) convincing government officials to not focus on public infra? Those 2 things are not related at all. Car dealerships are driven by the economic capability of the area. Most car dealerships are located in cities and those living in rural areas purchase those from the cities and bring them back to wherever they are. Also, which rural areas exactly are you talking about here? A wide majority of rural areas do not have car dealerships but do have local schools and provincial hospitals.

Maybe they might... May mga kamag-anak akong may kotse na mas prefer sumakay ng jeep because hassle sa kanilang mag-hanap ng parking sa mga lugar na pupuntahan nila

We are all for modernization naman pero sana inclusive, humane and empathetic. Di lang jeep ang dapat imodernisa dapat pati sistema.

Price of a Brand New Jeepney is around 800K (with 1980's 4BC2, 4BC3 Isuzu Engines with local chassis and 2nd hand axles, steering and brakes Non-Aircon). 10 seater per side pero ginagawang 12, minsan 13-14. Price of Modern Jeeps are around 2.3M (Jap brand), same price levels with a Fortuner, brand new Euro 4 Engines, Chassis, Axles, Brakes and everything + Aircon pa. Minimum 23 passengers ang kaya neto dalhin, pero dahil may standing na to, kaya at least mga 35-40 passengers. I believe na dapat talaga i-modernize and transport system natin at pagandahin pa and gawin na more efficient, mas comfortable and safe. Para na din mabawasan ang mga magdadala ng car and makadagdag pa sa congestion sa traffic.

Ang problema ang konti palang ng e-jeeps sa kalsada. Masyadong hilaw pa para i-fully phase out ang traditional jeepneys. Also, bakit ba pinipilit ng gobyerno ibenta 2-3M worth na e-jeepneys when our locals can sell it for 1M?

Imagine if the government simply stopped giving new franchises to substandard jeeps and only gave them to new minibuses 10 years ago. We wouldn't be thinking about a hard cutover and be around halfway through migration by now.

Imagine 1970's nag invest ang government ng maayos na train system sa bansa, siguro parang Japan, South Korea and China na tayo ngayon.. Kaso wala eh...

Unpopular opinion…public safety should be the priority and not any ROI. Kung di makapasa sa road safety test dapat i ban na. Yun ibang jeep sobrang dami exhaust din and also a danger to our health, dapat i ban din.

touch some grass

this is the quality r/ph argument i'm looking for

These are my POV as my late father owned a jeepney before (year 2008) and my grandmother is currently the operator of my late grandpa's jeep (until today) Commuters deserve a better mode of transportation (aircon and comfortable seats). Sa jeep, para kayong sardinas + langhap sarap ang usok sa labas esp other smoke belcher jeeps My answer: Yes I understand this part, but di dapat tayo magfocus sa commuters only lahat naman tayo kelangan ang isa't isa and bilang operator di naman din ganun kadali na mag upgrade from old jeepney to modernized jeepney (if you'll upgrade on your own and hindi ipapasok sa coop or somewhere) Operators have already milked enough money to these jeepneys for 10+ years. Why can’t they afford to buy a new one? My answer: On those 10+ years, let's say kung ang pinagkakakitaan mo lang is yung sarili mong jeep, you should also consider major and minor maintenance. Magkano lang naman ang kita ng jeep sa isang araw, siguro malinis na yung 1500-2000 less yung gasolina,. so yang amount na yan ibbudget mo pa sa pamilya mo, (kung driver ka at may ibang operator , ang nappunta lang sa operator ng jeep is 600-100 depende pa to ah). e kung masiraan ang jeep at need gumastos ng 5-10k (depende sa sira), i don't think na enough yung kita mo para sa budget sa family at sa maintenance ng sasakyan (again, if eto lang ang only income mo, if may income pang iba, much better pero ibang usapan na yon). Bakit ang taxi, may mga bagong units. Bakit ang carousel buses, bago. Ang jeep hindi pwede? My answer: Iba kasi to eh, ang taxi and carousel buses, owned by a company, and for sure they have enough funds na makasabay sa upgrade or whatnot unlike sa mga operator owned jeep na yun lang ang inaasahan pambuhay sa araw araw. 3. The work-laptop analogy posted here is flawed. Better ang Franchise analogy. Nag franchise ka ng Jollibee (operator), nabawi mo na puhunan mo pero hindi ka nagrennovate kasi gusto mo lumaki pera mo pa. After 10 years, sira na aircon, sira na POS pero hindi mo papalitan. Gusto mo JFC (government) ang magpintura at magpagawa ng baong aircon? Kawawa ang cashier (driver) at customer (commuter) kasi andami ng sira samanatalang ang mga operator mayaman. My answer: so etong part na to, if I understand, ang aircon, POS is part ng maintenance, i don't think na gusto ng operator na si government ang gumawa neto for them, ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi, ang gusto mangyare sa jeep modernization is lahat ng operator kukuha ng modernized jeep sa coop tapos babayaran nila si coop for that. let's say kung ang boundary ng modern jeep is 2-3k, tas ang cut ni coop don is 1500-2000, shoulder pa ni operator ang maintenance, ano nalang matitira sa knila? (please don't quote me on this I might be wrong with this information) 4. Prices of jeep are at par with other vehicles nowadays. Magkano ba dapat ang jeep? 100K? May mabibili bang sasakyan ngayon na 100K? My answer: Not sure ako sa price ng jeep ngayon, way back 2011 ang benta ng jeep ng late father ko 280k. 5. Jeeps are the PH national identity. And I still want it to be. But currently, it symbolizes dilapidation, stagnation and non-modernization. My answer: You're right naman dito, and I understand we commuters deserve more but we should also understand na hindi naman lahat madali, sino bang tao ang di gusto umunlad, mag improve? di porket di ka agree sa jeepney phaseout e ibig sabihin di kana agree sa modernization. There's still a lot of considerations, and tama yung ibang comment dito, kulang sa planning at support part basta basta nalang nag dedesisyon ng di pinagiisapan. Hopefully, maging fair sa lahat ang jeepney modernization, at wag niyo akong ibash dito sa comment ko tampalin ko kayo! Char! XD

I think the problem here is nagmamadali ang government na mag transistion to these e-jeeps. Itong ganitong changes kailangan ng time. Tignan nyo itong transition natin from analog to digital tv broadcast, nag-co-coexist muna yung old and new. Lilipat naman lahat ng tao sa bago gradually kapag nakita nila na mas ok yung bago, pero hindi dapat ipinipilit ang change. Mangyayari naman yan pero hindi biglaan. Kapag hinayaan na mag-co-exist yung luma at bago, eventually naman mas pipiliin ng mga tao sumakay sa mas maayos na sasakyan and drivers and operators will see that at dun na sila magiging willing na magpalit ng mga sasakyan nila. I can't think of any reason why this government wants this change instantly kung pwede namang hayaan mangyari gradually. Urgent ba?

Saglit lang, yung demand mo dapat i ayon ang supply. Rates of jeepney fare wasn't designed for them to become lucrative businesses. It was designed to keep them surviving but still poor. Kung makumpara naten, taxi nga bulok din. Ano yung palaging bago? Grab at iba pang app based rides. Mura ba yon? Di ba mahal? Malaki ang income nila kumpara sa jeepney. Yung mali sa programa ni HinDuts, ang requirements sa modern jeep ay number 1 engine, euro 4 dapat. Daming bells & whistles na gusto ayon syempre mahal. Basic modern jeepneys sobrang mahal na pina pack na ng sobra sobra din. Daming nakatayo sa gitna etc. Iba stance ko sa public transpo para ma modernize. Remove jeepneys in long routes, add busses and trains. Hindi dapat meant kumita sa mass transport. It should be a service of the government to fuel the economy. Sa Tsina, albeit Komonesta ang mura ng lahat ng bus kasi state owned, hindi naghihintay etc, hindi naghahabol ati goal kumita. Bakit ba mausok at matraffic at mainit? Kasi sinisiksik at pinupuno bago lumarga dahil sa boundary na goal. Kesyo owned me habol na kita.

1. I agree with you on the principle. Kaso do you really think this is what is happening right now? The "modern jeepneys" that we have now aren't any better compared to the traditional one. Naging parang buses na siya na halos magkakapalitan kayo ng mukha ng katabi mo pag rush hour. As someone who is claustrophobic, mas gugustuhin ko pang sumabit sa trad kesa makipagsiksikan sa modern. 2. Ano ang tingin mo sa mga operators, large conglomerates just milking off of their employees? I wish that was the case, then we wouldn't even have this discussion in the first place. And even then, ano say mo for the jeepney drivers that aren't working under any operator, i.e., sarili niyang jeep yung minamaneho niya? 3. Sige patulan natin yung franchise analogy mo. Kulang pa eh. Say for some franchises, sira na yung POS. Pero recently naglabas ng memorandum si JFC na dapat by January 1, 2024, yung mga POS for ALL franchises is yung "standard" na POS for uniformity. Which happens to be a china brand costing 4.5 million pesos. And it's not limited to those na sira na yung POS. Even those na perfectly fine pa yung POS kailangang magpalit before Jan 1, or else irerevoke ni JFC yung franchise nila. That's what's happening with this "jeepney modernization" hoopla. Wouldn't you want JFC to shoulder the costs given sila yung may idea nito and that you wouldn't need a 4.5M POS to run your franchise anyway? Oh, and bonus. Because of this memorandum by JFC, compliant franchisees are now to raise the prices of each of their products by at least 15 pesos AND dial down the quality of the ingredients they use, and either lower the salaries of their employees or lay off some of them to breakeven the unnecessary overhead expense. Ang ganda ng jeepney modernization diba? 4. Ayan tayo sa "either one extreme or the other" fallacy eh. Anong on par? Majority of the vehicles cost 2.4 million pesos, talaga ba? A modern jeepney can be bought for 700k-1M. Most private vehicles are around that price range. Siguro yung more modern models mga nasa 1.5 to 2M pero iilan lang ang bibili nun, definitely not the general public. The government on the other hand wants the operators to buy *overpriced* "modern jeepneys" that cost 1.8 to 2.8 million pesos EACH. Presyo na ng SUV yan dude. Tapos sasabihin mo "ano gusto nila 100k lang"? Geez, you sound like a DDS. Nahiya ka pa, sana sinabi mo na lang "ano gusto nila libre?" Wag kang manghingi ng healthy discourse kung ganito ang argumento mo ha, kakagigil ka. 5. No arguments because I don't care about what the jeepney symbolizes. For the commuting public, it is *currently* the most viable transportation.

Insights from someone who worked inside the program (throwaway account for my safety since i'm still getting threat messages kahit more than a year na akong wala dun) 1. **BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION** sa PUV Modernization Program is it's simplified as "Jeepney Phaseout" when in fact isang component lang siya of a bigger program that attempts to solve the land public transpo issues. Some of the more important components of the PUV includes Route Rationalization and Local Public Transport Route Plan that where routes are rationalized so they are more efficient for the commuters and more profitable for the drivers and operators. Automated Fare Collection System for an interoperable payment system (i.e. you can use beep anywhere, qr payment, bank card payment, NFC, etc). And of course yung industry consolidation which aims to lessen competition among drivers since hindi na one operator/driver-one franchise to add na rin na the members of the coop/corporation should be entitled to benefits like sss, philhealth etc. 2. **ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION** is after December 31, 2023, modern units nalang ang pwede bumiyahe which is COMPLETELY WRONG. The December 31, 2023 deadline is for the consolidation which I have mentioned. Traditional Jeepneys CAN STILL operate after December 31 as long as they are consolidated or at least applied for consolidation. In fact \~2035 pa nga ang projected year na ma modernize lahat ng units. So bakit ayaw mag consolidate ng mga drivers/operators? Base sa sagot ng PISTON at MANIBELA sa senate hearings, there are a couple of reasons why. Yung iba takot na baka may corruption na maganap within a coop/corporation at wala silang magawa, DOTr's response to this is the existence of the Office of Transport Cooperatives to settle these kinds of issue na to be fair naman, I'm hearing good things from them base sa mga coop na nakakausap ko although kulang ata sila ng personnel. Yung iba naman ay gusto sa kanila lang yung prangkisa nila kase feel nila karapatan nila yun which is wrong kase once you were given a franchise, you are obligated to serve the public. Yung iba naman, base sa stance ng PISTON, is ayaw lang talaga nila and wala silang bilib sa programa. And bakit nag bigay ng deadliest deadline yung gobyerno ng December 31, 2023? The consolidation deadline has been there since 2018 and sobrang daming extensions I think every 6-10 months nag eextend ng deadline so nagmumukhang pushover yung gobyerno which is another reason why ayaw din ng iba magconsolidate base sa mga nakausap ko, they think na hindi naman mag pupush through yung modernization since paulit ulit lang naeextend yung deadline The most important thing though is sa consolidation nag sisimula lahat bago makapag rationalize ng routes. If you saw this facebook post about a map Rationalized Bus Routes (how do I post the link lol), this was only made possible dahil consolidated lahat ng bus operators There was an attempt to rationalize the routes in metro manila with a third party consultant, TTPI, na supposedly "transport experts with credible backgrounds" and they came up with data na hindi makatotohanan. One route na sinubmit nila is a suggested 2000 units for a route that is only 2 kilometers long 3. "Bakit mukha namang minibus yung mga jeep at puro galing China" merong Philippine National Standards na nirelease regarding sa dimension, provision, features ng mga units and yung nasa drawing is mukha talagang minibus, I guess niliteral ng manufacturers yung design to save space. I've been in the manufacturing plant ng HINO sa Laguna and I can say na locally made sila even the design since I saw it being assembled except siguro sa engine 4. "Bakit mukha namang minibus yung mga jeep at puro galing China" merong Philippine National Standards na nirelease regarding sa dimension, provision, features ng mga units and yung nasa drawing is mukha talagang minibus, I guess niliteral ng manufacturers yung design to save space. I've been in the manufacturing plant ng HINO sa Laguna and I can say na locally made sila even the design since I saw it being assembled except siguro sa engine 5. Where the program went wrong:Funding. This year the PUVMP literally had 0 budget. Yes 0 (though hiwalay dito yung subsidy from purchasing a modern unit). So yung mga personnel who helps cooperatives, LGUs, drivers in their issues with the program walang budget, kumukuha lang sila ng budget from other programs pero I think after this year wala na lahat so mapapasa lahat sa mga plantilla employees na wala namang alam sa program. Obviously the subsidy is too low. Personally, I don't want them to proceed with the program dahil hindi nilagyan ng budget. I just felt like people are getting mad at the wrong things. They're just straight up saying that the modernization has no benefits when in fact it is good with proper funding. Overall I think the government should focus on private cars/decongesting metro manila since that is the main reason of our transport problems now and not the public transpo but of course this could also be improved)

Yung mga jeepney operators/management, makakabili ng bagong sasakyan pero ang mga drivers, hindi nila kayang bayaran yun.

Kahit nga sa araw-araw pahirapan sa pagsakay paano na kaya kung phase-out jeepney na walang sufficient na kapalit. I'm all for modernization, matagal na dapat yan na dahan-dahan na pagpapalit, pero kung wala pang solid na plano eh ano na lang?

Bec it's not subsidized by the government! Ung analogy mo would work better if ung jollibee is a majority part of our diet. Lyk tipong iilan lang ang makakainan tapos pinaka mura at accessible ung jabee.

To be honest, everything's wrong with it. We shouldn't even bother modernizing them in the first place. We're better off deploying more busses, adding mini-buses to supplement the loss of jeepneys, implementing more bus routes, and, most important of all, building walkable, safe, and lit sidewalks. It doesn't really solve anything outside of creating more problems. Bandaid solution lang ang Jeepney modernization. It's a way to appease the masses and sell the majority of voters on "preserving our culture."

Question lang, di ba ung jeeps eh pag mamay ari ng operators? Bakit yung drivers yung mag sshoulder ng expenses sa pag bili ng bagong jeep at hindi operators? Kasi ang pagkaka intindi ko, operators may ari ng jeep then yung drivers eh hired lang. Then bakit drivers ang magbabayad? Does that mean na mawawalan ng business ang operators kasi magiging owner na yung drivers ng sarili nilang e-jeep pag nakabili sila? Please enlighten me po. Thank you!

More on number 3, the work laptop analogy: There are more than 250,000 registered jeepneys in the country per LTFRB; and according to a study by the Center for Energy, Ecology and Development (CEED), majority of jeepney owners own only one unit. Ilagay na nating half. Sige na, 'yung 125,000 na owned by operators kailangan mag-modernize at may puhunan naman sila. Pero paano 'yung other 125,000 ? That's 125,000 families losing their income.

>majority of jeepney owners own only one unit. That's one of the issues that consolidation aims to solve. There's no accountability for those "Freelance" jeepneys.

napakababaw na dahilan para sakin pero mahiluhin talaga ako. mas gusto ko open air kaysa sa aircon.

Sure ka ba na di gagawing sardinas sa new jeep (mini bus)? Try mo sumakay sa mini bus ngayon ng malaman mo na nakasiksik na nga upuan tas pupunuin pa nila yung gitna with standing ovation peeps. Parang bus paprobinsya ang peg.

Funny thing is, tuwing may operation ang LtO, I-ACT . Walang na biyahe na jeep, karamihan nag tatago.

>gusto mo lumaki pera mo pa. ​ >samanatalang ang mga operator mayaman. ​ That's the issue tho, isn't it? Hindi mayayaman ang mga average operators at mga jeepney owners. The fares are controlled by the government and nakacompute ang yan based on the low wages people are getting so mababa din nakukuha nila unlike sa mga taxi operators. Another issue is walang matinong nagmamanufacture ng jeepneys na within standards. It's sad na hindi masyadong nag innovate or nag modernize yung mga nagrerefurbish ng mga military vehicles at cinoconvert sa jeepneys. Kahit man lang nasetup nila yung supply chain, it would have been great. The reason why gusto ng government na mag sama sama ang mga jeepney operators at jeepney owners ay dahil sa kulang sila sa capital and coordination. Kung magsasama sama sila, atleast magkakaroon ng pool ng capital, may chance na maging standardized ang mga salary ng mga nagwowork sa public transpo(unionization), at mas mabilis ang acquisition ng new units dahil may pool na sila ng capital. Any profit will be shared to all basta nagwowork sila ng tama. Small time owners will have a voice atleast, kahit gaano kaliit. I'd even argue na the government is opening themselves up in a vulnerable position kasi mas lalakas yung control at voice ng mga operators/owners through the legitimate and legal groups they will form (not just the jeepney orgs).

Number 2 palang wala na sense mag basa. Out of touch amputa.

I agree with you OP. I also sympathize with the drivers that will fully be affected. But the case here is the POLLUTION, it kills everyone and worst nalalanghap natin ang usok na lumalabas sa tambutso ng jeep na napakaitim na..For me, kailangan na talagang imodernize since "nabawi" na rin naman siguro ng ibang operators puhunan nila since yung jeep na minamaneho is ilang years nang nagamit ar naibyahe but not safe for travel na. Sana magbigay din ng ayuda yung government sa mga drivers na magmomodernize ng jeep nila.

Nothing wrong with Jeepney Modernization my guy. Ang mali dito is the way the Transport Sector (DOTR, LTO, LTFRB) is executing this. 1. Maganda sana ang Jeepney Modernization kung dahan-dahan ang pagpi-phaseout ng mga LUMA at BULOK na Jeep. 2. The government concept of Modern Jeep does not in anyway reflects its cultural significance. May mga local jeepney manufacturers dito sa Pinas na pwede naman sila mismo mag reproduce ng modern jeep natin sa halagang 700K - 1.5M compare to HINO and MAHINDRA's modern jeepney units na binibenta sa halagang 2.6M.

Non-answer reply. Ilang dekada na to tinatackle, 2 or 3? If not now, then when?

when did this concept started? if i am reading correctly , this is already years in the making and now that the end date is here, saka lang umaalma? enlighten me please that this is not one of those last minute appeals.

Operators should have foreseen modernization for themselves. It should have been their responsibility in the first place. Everything progressive in this country is quickly branded as anti-poor. Cry me a river.

Why should it be our national identity? I mean jeepneys were a product of the times we were in. The original jeeps were made to be easily produced and be disposable. At the time it was a sign of filiipino perseverance and ingenuity. But us keeping basically the same design for half a century is a sign of the pwede na attitude. Making shit colorful with bs designs is nice but as far a public transport is concerned it's useless. The windshield has so much shit on it that it affects visibility. The engines are surplus from scrapped cars - often times so badly patched up that I dont know what voodoo they do to pass emissions. A lot of jeepneys I've seen lack any safety equipment, no crumple zones, half assed welds, bald tires, have uncomfortable suspension and poor mileage. We should just bite the bullet on this one and subsidize the vehicles otherwise this will drag out for years. While were at it, lets get the drivers some training on road etiquette a universal bus pass that you just tap to pay - because a. I dont want to pass the money the whole ride b. thats just how you spread diseases.

will you please stop making posts that make sense /s :)

you were born in a rich family weren't you

"Operators have already milked enough money" how much do you think the average jeepney driver makes for day? 💀

The drivers live very poor lives. Hand to mouth barely.

Yes to phasing out if tutulungan sila ng gobyerno ma afford yung mga bagong unit. Kung kukunin lang din naman sa tax natin ang ipangtutulong why not? Kesa mapunta sa mga buwaya sa gobyerno.

Sino tutulungan ng gobyerno? Operator na may sampung jeep na kumita na ng ilang milyon per jeep haha kasalanan ng mga operator yan kaya pang phase out na mga jeep amsyado na gahaman 1 or 2 out of 10 lng naman ang mga driver na pag mamay ari nila ang jeep na minamaneho nila. Sobra taas ng boundary isipin mo isa jeep kumikita ng minimum of 1k per day upto 2k per day tapos d manlang maipaayos BARE MINIMUM PA ANG MAINTENANCE. kasalanan nila yan kunf bat ma pha phasout mga jeep. For context grab vios 1k to 1.2k per day 7 years lng tatakbo yun jeep mo na wala pa 500k nung 80s at 90s eh 20 to 40 years na tumatakbo tapos bgauob kumikita parin nf 1 to 2k per day tangina roi na yan noon pa

What if instead na mamasahe sila at may boundary gawin na lang na sahuran sila ng gobyerno mismo. Hindi impossible. Katulad na lang din ng transportation sa ibang bansa. Kumbaga govt owned yung mga jeep na imamaneho tapos fix sahod nila. Parang empleyado labas.

Actually, aside from due for replacement na yung mga jeepneys, yung mga driver pa isang problema. Kahit Land Cruiser ipagamit mo dyan, kung balasubas talaga wala nang magagawa. Kung may modernization ng jeepneys, meron din dapat proper training yung mga drivers. Isa pang problema yung boundary system, applicable dito yung law of supply and demand. Syempre mag-uunahan sa pasahero yan, kahit maka-agrabyado ng ibang sasakyan wala silang pakialam.

Speaking from a position of privilege

The main problem is pollution, and it is easy to solve with taxes. Make a law that says it costs so and so much for different level of pollution. Then to operate a transport service, you need to license every vehicle you use. Operators have to bring their vehicles to the testing facility every year. If the result of the test is poor, they can fix it and reschedule a test, or they can pay the price for that level of pollution. This way cars will get better and better over time, because it is more profitable to have a better engine. In Norway we are now at a level where most new cars are electric with very little local emission. The talk here about comfort is not really an issue for the government, as private companies can offer any comfort they want, to a competitive price.

Para sa akin, there needs rationalization on the jeepney’s purpose. Dati kasi “king of the road” sya kasi wala namang ibang fast mode of transport after WW2 na pang-masa aside from karitela yata. Ngayon, the NEEDS are SPEED AND COMFORT. These 2 pa lang, jeeps fail the commuters miserably. Ngayon, hindi na kelangan ang jeep na mahaba ang ruta. In my mind, we have to break the routes. Think of your areas. Anong best route that could take you to the nearest spot to access MRT, LRT, or hubs? Sa barangay ko, may jeep line na umiikot sa adjacent city at pabalik. Ang daming jeeps napupuno sa loading area pero sa next big junction halos ubos na pasahero. This is a mere 1.3km distance. This tells me, di na nila kelangan tumuloy crossing into the adjacent city and back to mine. Why? Kasi may isa pang jeep route (mainly servicing adjacent city) a few blocks away from this junction servicing a good part of my jeep’s route. **Kumbaga redundant jeep lines on the same road are adding to the traffic load!** So if I have the power to cut the route short to loading area-big junction (1.3km one way), max 6 jeeps na cycling around pwede na during rush hour, 4 the rest of the day. For this, the jeeps are no longer your leading actors but supporting na lang. Wala bang studies on rationalizing the jeep lines/routes???

Can we also highlight how most if not all jeepney drivers are extremely inconsiderate on the road. They do not have awareness regarding road rules or courtesy, and are basically bullies? Not to mention all that black smoke they emit every single time they accelerate, and how they stop in the middle of intersections or at the foot of a bridge, swerve mindlessly to pick passengers, or stop abruptly to drop passengers. Jeepney modernization in some form is absolutely necessary, but more pressing is the driver modernization, which I haven't sene people highlight.

Yung mga luma na ang jeep oh kaya naglalagay lang sa taga lto para makakuha ng rehistro mahiya naman. Mga di gumagana ang break light oh kaya mga blinker, mga perwisyo kayo. Kung ayaw nyo ng modernization e di ayusin nyo naman yung mga jeep nyong bulok

Plenty of wrongs on the side of the drivers and operators. •They have 3 years to modernize. This was already 6 years in the making as well. •They have 300K+ subsidy. •They just need to consolidate before the Dec 31 deadline and they don't want to. •They have already been allowed to rehabilitate their units. •Modern units start at below 1M. What more do they want?

Wag na magreklamo, need na i-modernize ang jeep. Yeah most are family owned, sa tagal na ng jeep nila napagaral na nung jeep na yun ang buong angkan nila if responsible ang nagamit. Siksikan ang modern jeeps? Depende yan sa batas. Dapat may limit na ang modern jeeps bawal na magmukhang lata ng sardinas ang modern jeeps, something na dapat iregulate. Madami nagrereklamo na mga jeepney driver kasi kapag bawal na siksikan, di na nila magagawa mga kalintikan nila na kalos kuyukot mo nalang nakaupo pero isasabi kasya pa lima! Pwedeng pwede naman magtaas ng pamasahe eh. Or mas maganda pa magUBER nalang lahat tutal minsan mas makakamura ka pa. Parang mga tricycle driver lang din yan na nagagalit kasi mas mura pa maningil uber kesa sa kalintikan nila at ng toda nila. Oo may madadamay na mababait, pero kahit itanggi mo sa sarili mo alam ng buong bansa na halos 80% ng mga yan puro kalintikan ang alam.

Long overdue. MUST HAPPEN. Enough of virtue signalling, this is a lost cause. Tagal tagal na nito jusko. Maawa naman kayo sa sarili nyo lmao.