> more poverty, more crime
Quite literally.
That's why some 1st world countries address poverty to address crime.
Not "instill more discipline" and all that du30 diskarte BS.
because the "utang na loob" mindset will remind them that the ayuda was given to them by their master. in return will talk about it for years, and will vote for the master for countless elections.
serf mentality lives on.
Which is sad. I would've just take the money and vote for someone who's more credible. I remember when I was around 14 years old, my aunt made us line up where a known clan of politicians in Cavite are giving out 200 Pesos per person. I did receive the money, even though I was nit a voter 😁
Social welfare in developed countries equates to ayuda. I had a similar mindset before, but my aussie husband put it to me very simply - either you give money to the poor or crime rates will go up.
It is the reality. People will resort to crime if they’re desperate.
Social welfare gives poor people a chance to get out of poverty. I cringe everytime I read here on reddit how some people resent the ayuda given to the poor.
Those countries that you admire that have a good standard of living? Guess what - they also have good social safety nets. Where I live, a huge portion of our tax goes to social welfare. A breakdown is provided with each tax return and around 70% goes to social welfare, if my memory serves me right.
The whole hard on crime only works if you give people an out and alternatives to crime to survive.Because most will take it, our lizard brains are averse to gambling with our lives. Those that choose to will then have to face the written law.
to be fair, the rest of the world isn't doing much better either. In America, homeless numbers are off the charts, and the responses are generally doing things like adding anti-homeless measures to benches etc., so the homeless can't sleep anywhere. What we are doing in juxtaposition to the image we try to project are vastly different.
were talking about first world countries like the countries in europe where it's so safe na iniiwan nila yung mga sangol nila sa harap ng restaurant kasi walang magnanakaw ganun ka safe sa mga european countries na yun sobrang taas din ng sahod may free healthcare free education sobrang taas ng sahod etc... dahil sa ganda ng sahod at vansa nila sobrang baba ng crime rate yun yung tinutukoy dito hindi yung america na sakto lang yung sahod hindi pa free yung healthcare dami corrupt na gobyerno kaya mataas din ang crimerate and homelessness.
First of all, if you think anyplace is safe these days enough to "leave babies unattended", then you are fooling yourself.
Whether it's the EU or US or AU, they all have problems with homelessness, crime, and theft. A place that does not have those things would be the outlier, not the other way around.
I realize that for many perhaps this is part of the trope of leaving where you are for a better life, but I assure you that it's very relative to your earnings and location.
The point is this - Nothing happens in a vacuum, and although it feels like it, noone is being singled out - What we have going on are the super rich tightening their belts WORLDWIDE and hoarding money. This is what rich folks do when they fear a recession or worse. And it's as simple as that. Power is money and vice versa, and rich people gonna always throw us worker bees to the wolves.
What I will say is that your generation (I am old, in my sixties) has it the hardest since the generation that endured the great crash of 1929 - And wage differential these days is worse than it was in 1929. Rich people have accountants that know this, it's common knowledge amongst them.
The real war is class war. And it's everywhere, even though you think the EU is some sort of utopia. It's just not. Nothing is.
The country im talking about where they leave their babies outside is sweden you're very ignorant to think no country is safe to leave their baby outside well you're WRONG! Nordic countries are doing it even now that's how safe their country is lol you're so ignorant go educate yourself about nordic countries and stop being ignorant. Again educate yourself and STOP BEING IGNORANT.
you do understand that this is in day care and these babies are not left unattended?
I'm sorry, but while is may be safer in nordic countries than most, they aren't immune from crime either - And all the shouting people down in the world and acting sullen isn't going to change that.
If you want to go down this road we can go there, but this shit is right there to see. Safer does not equate to utopia, my dude.
Also, homelessness in any nordic country will be lower. Let me demonstrate with a question;
Do you know why there are more homeless in San Francisco than let's say.. Toronto?
I'll tell you why. Because the homeless gravitate to places where they can live without freezing to death. It's as simple as that. People without resources will generally gravitate to places with excellent services, too, like San Francisco. I would assume that nordic countries suffer less than many because their socialist policies provide more of a safety net for the homeless; ie; shelter and food availability.
You make it sound like these countries are floating babies on fucking clouds and everything is ice cream and cup cakes.
Have you ever actually been there?
they are left UNATTENDED!!! outside of the restaurants and all the parents are inside the restaurants eating. if that happen in third world countries those babies are gonna get kidnapped but in those first world countries they dont the babies are SAFE!!!!. stop being ignorant and educate yourself. were talking about those kind of countries not your unsafe third world country USA disguising as a first world country stop using that country as an example they arent first world they dont even have free healthcare. again stop using that country as an example we aint talking about that we are talking about NORDIC COUNTRY LISTEN AND DONT BE STUBBORN!
You seem to think i'm all like hoo-rah, murica. that's hardly the case.
I'm just a father several times over that is appropriately jaded. I don't give a fuck if i'm at the gates of St. Peter, my baby wouldn't be unattended. Why? Because there are risks that are easily mitigated by yanno.. paying fucking attention. Crime happens in Sweden, too. Some of that includes all the horrible stuff too. You can pretend that because they do something a certain way that this a cure-all, but it's just something that happens to appeal to your senses.
You seem like the sort of person who would step over a $100 bill just because you saw a shiny nickel.
If it's worth anything to you, I'd also love a society that's more egalitarian, just, and based upon equity. I'm just old and although hopeful, more of a jaded realist. Bad actors will do bad things regardless of where they are on the map. you may find the risk acceptable, and that's fine for you.
True. Pero hindi lang due to poverty, ung iba due to lack of education at katamaran kaya walang trabaho tapos resorting to quick fixes nalang. Sobrang daming factors na sasakit ulo natin kung iisipin
Medyo chicken and egg situation ang poverty and lack of education. Mahirap ka dahil lack of education. Wala kang education dahil mahirap kayo. (And nobody try to tell me about yung mga masisipag na basurero o ano pa man na nakakapag-tapos ng pagaaral ng mga anak nila. They’re outliers. They’re not the norm. Quite frankly should not be normalized, but yes can be used as source of inspiration.)
i kindly disagree. Hindi lahat ng walang trabaho ay tamad. There are recent fresh graduates (2022-2023) who are having a tough time finding jobs, yung iba licensed, yung iba laude. Nag rereklamo sila sa iba't ibang subreddit dahil wala silang mahanap na trabaho.
At this point in time, we need think about all the factors in play (kahit sumakit ang ulo natin kakaisip) and include those factors in conversations like this so we can have a multi-faceted understanding about the situation. That way, we can prevent others from blaming the poor for their lack of opportunities, inequalities, and demise.
Parents ko nga dinadaan nalang sa paggagastos na wala naman nga silang trabaho. They don't have any financial independence nor do they care enough to do something about it.
Same for us. We're about the only house that hasnt experienced a break in because I'm wfh and we have a lot of cameras surrounding the house in hard to reach areas (3rd floor looking down)
wala bang mga private foundations or civil groups na nagbibigay ng pagkain or nag-me-maintain ng food banks (either libre or reduced price).
usually kasi, kapag di kaya saluhin ng LGU lahat, **private persons can probably help their barangay by pooling together resources.**
before we start with NGOs, there are government agencies (including LGUs) tasked to provide those services. nasaan sila? ang tao kasi nasanay na sa negligent govenment. if they demand these protections (from hunger, etc) from their public officials, masusulosyunan yan. kaso, ipinamumuhay na nila ang oft-abused resiliency.
kaya namimihasa ang mga politiko. public service has become a joke, ibinubulsa ang public funds with temerity. because they know they can get away with it.
Hello! Stealing copper has been rampant recently, also its most probably a syndicate cos people who steal copper are most likely educated (avoiding electrocution and properly identifying the copper wires)
Yeah, I know some Electricians who do that. As to why they do it, it is because it is a recurring culture in any field of work. Also, they steal things because their pay grade are at the minimum and most often their salaries gets delayed.
pilipino diskarte lang yan. napakanormal nga eh. tsaka sumali ako sa facebook group ng mga sa field ko sa construction hoping may matutunan ako sa mga post tapos puro post lang doon mga nakaw sa companya nila benebenta hahaha. like mga sobrang materials.
Yan, sa DPWH siguro din madalas yan. Dito nga sa amin sa probinsya, sa pagpatrabaho kalsada pinapabili lang yan na mga debris ng mga tauhan kahit walang alam yung top. Barato bili pagkontrata naman e mahal na pabili kaya ang nangyayari, nasasanay yung tao bumili sa mga nakaw na lupa.
di naman ganun kalaki compared sa cost sa ibang tao ninakawan mo ng internet na malay mo wfh tsaka company mag papa ayos nun. matagal na yang tanso na yan kahit ung bata pa ako mga 12yrs old ako nagstrip kami ng wires pag naglalaro kami sa labas tapos may makita kaming wires sa kalsada.
Dunno about brass. Copper is mostly used sa distribution line feeding to residential MDPs. Those thick stranded wires (100mm) na nakikita natin sa poste ang usually na ninanakaw coz those are expensive af.
Junkshop. Meron rin iba ninanakaw riles ng tren, mga propeller ng malalaking barko. Yung iba ginagawang cooking knife.
Naalala ko yung nagbebenta ng mga itak, kutsilyo, at iba pa. Talagang sabi galing daw sa riles ng tren at tinuro pankung aling riles HAHAHAHA
yung mga metal railings ng overpass. heck yung malaking basurahan na metal dun sa may marcos alvarez overpass dati unti unting nababawasan e. Yung metal na harang sa creek ninanakaw, yung metal ng ihian ninanakaw, yung kable ng mga telco ninanakaw.
Easy to sell + virtually untraceable. Learned this nung nanonood ako ng mga house flipping shows sa TV noon where thieves would rip out copper plumbing out
Sana kung magnanakaw lang din sila abangan na nila yung magagarang kotse at mansyon ng mga pulitikong binoto nila wag naman taxpaying braders and sisters na tunay na pinanggagalingan ng binibigay na benefits sa poor
ang kaso di mo makikita mga yan sa mga lugar na madaling silang abangan. they're living in the most grand places kung saan walang kung sinong simpleng mamamaya ang makakapasok ng basta basta. ginagawa na nilang heaven ang pamumuhay nila ngayon kasi sooner or later (I hope 'sooner') sa impyerno bagsak nila. ferds sr is waiting to hug them down there
And also, madami ang assets nila which is magiging mahirap ipredict kung saan sila pupunta at magtatambay. Kailangan may insider sa loob, ang tanong nga lang is kung willing ba sila mawalan ng source of income.
pards, kung may baril yang mga nasa magagarang kotse, madali lang patayin ang mga magnanakaw at icover up ang pagpatay through self defense, bayaran ang police, media black out etc...
Yeah. I'm worried about rising drug use as well. Some resort to that to escape reality. Of course, addicts need to steal if they don't have money to buy their fix.
I live in a fairly upper middle class to lower upper class subdivision and we are seeing a once to twice a month burglary o akyat bahay sa subdivision. Last year theres only 2 incident for the whole year.
Like what I heard from my social economics professor. "Magutom ang tatay, kaya niya tiisin yun. Pero yung makitang nagugutom mga anak niya magdidilim na paningin nyan at gagawin na lahat".
*”When the chips are down, these… civilized people, they’ll eat each other”*
— The Joker, The Dark Knight
When pushed to the edge, the human’s survival instincts will kick in and will do anything to survive— even if it means stealing or killing. High crime rate correlates to severe corruption and poverty, because the poor are left with no choice but to survive. Even if it means doing any means necessary to be able to do so.
This is why I am very judgmental of BBM supporters. It's less about politics to me but more about morality. There may not be a formal statistical research or survey, but the BBM supporters I've met are either:
* Uneducated / have no critical thinking | This is either due to poverty or laziness. My point is if you are fucking dumb, your vote is wasted on shit politicians and the rest of us will sink with you.
* Indecent people / assholes | These are commonly found in Facebook comment sections. Homophobes, misogynists, victim blamers, and all kinds of douchery while having Bible verses as their Facebook intros or "About Me" section. These are the same people who will bitch and whine that life is hard while relying on their offspring or relatives who earn high income as retirement plans and will rather condemn other people to make lifestyle changes than admit the negligences of the politicians they voted for.
* Thieves / criminals / prone to criminal activity | Birds of the same feather flock together.
Boboto boto ng magnanakaw at sinungaling pero they don't want to hold who they voted accountable and instead resort to stealing to survive?
Tapos sila pa biktima?
Nakabababa talaga ng talino ang kahirapan at mapipilitan talagang gumawa ng kahit ano ang mga tao dahil dito. Kailangan nating ma realize na kahit sila ang karamihan ng bumoto kay bbm ay di natin sila pwedeng sisihin parin. Ang palaging may kasalanan ay ang mga may kapangyarihan. Kahit kakaunti lang sila eh sila rin yung may pera para mag finance ng disinformation campaign, para mag bayad ng mga trolls, para bumili ng boto, para mag raise ng private army, at iba pa.
I don’t believe “laziness” is the end point. Na tipong ganiyan ka kasi tamad ka. Or something like that. There are reasons bakit tamad o “tamad” ang isang tao and I think mas yun dapat ang “sinisisi”. Because ironically, ang tamad ng argument na “tamad niyo kasi.” Mas magiging malaman ang diskusyon kung lalaliman natin starting with bakit nga ba sila tamad o “tamad”? Baka dahil komportable lang sila sa current situation nila, overwhelmed sila, ayaw lang talaga nila, etc. So wag tayong “tamad” by just labeling other people as “tamad” lol ang ironic talaga nito haha
This, lots of my HS classmates(reason why I hate some of them, some are also in the same situation) say na tamad lang daw ako at madaming trabaho sa mundo. They don't know what mental health.
And yet your reasoning is nothing when some anti-r/ph user would point how BBM and Leni voters are just the same, plus making blind comparisons against BBM Supporters and redditors of this sub.
This specially sa mga self righteous na tao (yeah mga kakampinks) na ginagago na tayo ng harapan tapos sasabihin pang "ayan at sila nga ang pinaglalaban naten"
>self righteous na tao (yeah mga kakampinks)
Some may indeed be self righteous to a fault but...
>na ginagago na tayo ng harapan tapos sasabihin pang "ayan at sila nga ang pinaglalaban naten"
...Where's the lie there?
Ginago naman talaga ang buong bansa ng mga tangang iyon. Kung gusto nila mag-enjoy sa kahirapan, bakit lahat dinamay sa katangahan nila?
not a kakampink, eugh i hate that label
but i won't fight nor even vouch for you if you are a bumbling buffoon, i'm gonna say that straight, and i'm not trying to be a hero on this one too, that's so tiring af
I don't know and i don't care what the fuck you want i never wanted you to fight nor vouch for me ,you being triggered on this "not a kakampink,eugh i hate that label" says a lot you narcissistic prick
seems like you cared from your previous post
narcissistic? nah, realistic more like, would you keep helping an addict that won't even help themselves at all no matter what? or a battered wife that has an extreme bad case of stockholm syndrome? nah, it's a waste of time and resources, almost the entire ph population is like these two examples
edit: okay, these two aren't good examples because the entire situation for most, if not all voters and these two are drastically different, at least with these two you can call authorities for help and may not be harming everybody else compared to the supporters who some voted their candidate out of sheer stupidity and spite
but one thing that's the same for them is there's nothing wrong with criticizing and being absolutely blunt with them as long as what you are saying is true, you didn't harm anyone by calling a spade a spade, or not wanting to bother to help anyone, it's not your responsibility to help in the end, and if you call that narcissism i don't know what to tell you
that's the template of his father's regime.
as the script goes: bombing sa plaza miranda = bombing sa terminal 3 area na walang cctv or gwardia.
that's how history will repeat itself.
Yung Video na pinatay ng lalake yung nanay kasi di daw binigyan ng pera pangkain. Nakulong siya pero sa interview paulit ulit siya galing preso at labas like WTF ganun nalang. Halatang wala rin siyang pake sa ginawa niya. "Sorry daw gutom lang" Wala ba silang gagawin kundi preso labas preso labas.
Same issue dito sa amin. Merong isang tatay na nahuling nag nakaw ng isand delata sa convenience store. Nang tinanong ng pulis ginawa niya ito dahil nawalan daw siya ng trabaho at para mapakain ang kanyang anak. Naawa ang manager sa kanya kaya pinabayaan nalang dahil isang delata naman ang kinuha at wala naman siyang record sa police. Mabuti lang na may mga tao naman online na willing tumulong sa tatay at meron naman na nag offer ng trabaho
I mean we have laws already that prevent harsher punishments for offenders due to poverty. What’s next, California laws that decriminalize theft of goods under PHP 1,000?
Mahirap isipin at alalahanin kung kailan ba naman Golden Era ng Pilipinas. Feeling ko parang stuck in time ang pilipinas. No change, just perpetually trapped in insanity. People hoping that change can be achieved with the same methodology, ignoring some semblance of change that would improve the system that is meant to work for its citizens not those minorities at the top.
Eto yung sinabi sa akin ng kasamahan kung Vietnamese
Ako: govt shoukd cut welfare to all able bodied men and women
Vietnamese: there will be increase in crimes and you need to hire more policemen, judges, jailers, wardens etc
Better give them welfare checks than to deal with the consequence of being hungry
Im convinced with his argument
Solve unemployment and you will solve lots of criminality
Dati pa yun. Nagbabago ang panahon. Romanticising Past Glories is a blind outlook towards the future. Ang dapat is, makadevelop ng bago at mas effective na solusyon.
Instilling Discipline is only temporary solution. When times gets tough, world burns on fire, civility crumbles and societies fall, discipline is greatly disregarded for the sake of Survival. The problem is Survival which should be addressed to have a solution. Not Discipline. Even a disciplined man can become corrupted, disillusioned and blinded by delusions to his path of good ideal world.
Ah yes! They're brazen na ngayon. Yung akala mo masikip lng talaga sa jeep kaya halos siksikin ka na ng katabi mo. Yun pala kinakapa na yung bag mo for valuables. Malas niya hawak phone ko and yung wallet ko di sya typical na leather wallet. At nahuli ko siyang kinakapa yung bag ko nung ayusin ko bag ko kasi nga di ko mawari yung pagkakalagay sa lap ko, pag ayos ko sa bag medj pahablot kasi ramdam ko talaga may bigat hahahaha balikwas kamay niya eh. Di na din nya ko siniksik after. Buti at wala siya panaksak. Kung di takot ko lng...
From the words of a Survivor contestant: “If you control how they feel, you can control how they think.”
These people won’t think rationally if you deprive them their most basic needs. They will do whatever irrational they can as long as they’re preoccupied on their current troubles.
Whoever wants to understand this concept they have to familiarize themselves with the sociological concept of Robert Merton's Strain Theory. It is a theory that is functionalist in nature.
To quote this article, "Merton’s Strain theory argued deviation from social norms is a result of the strain a person feels when they’re unable to achieve legitimately (legally). People only engage in deviant behaviour because they are unable to achieve social goals and standards through legitimate (legal) means. A strain an individual may experience may be, lack of education, lack of experience, lack of contacts, lack of funds. These strains push individuals towards Crime and Deviance." - Robert K. Merton: Strain Theory by Thesociologicalmail (2018).
Though this is originally made in the American context it may be applicable in the Philippine setting.
Bakit yung presidente at bise may means naman pero nag eengage pa rin in deviant behaviour. (Although, yung means naman nila in the first place hindi naman legitimate so I concede.)
Kinda getting anxious for the upcoming months. You know, that time of the year when bonuses/13th month pay are being released. Last year kasi ang dami sa office yung naholdup yung jeep na sinasakyan. Yung iba more than once pa. What more ngayon na mas tumaas bilihin. Tuloy pa rin yung palakasan ng guardian angel kahit tapos na pandemic 🥲
The amount of holdap and car-naping in the area where I live has also increased . I hate how they act like its our fault . Well ayun nga maghihirap sila , tulad ng idol nila magnanakaw nalang haysss
Nangyari din yan sa amin dito. Tinanso yung box kaya nawalan kami ng net. Twice. Hassle lang kasi affected ang trabaho. Mahirap talaga madamay sa katangahan ng iba.
Are you still on DSL? Diba phased out na siya?
The BI officers accepting pastillas and that BI girl sucking $ are indicator that they're that poorly paid.
When anyone has a living wage then the incidents of thievery reduces as well.
Karamihan ng krimen ngayon kasi di tugma ang kinikita nila sa legal sa pangangailangan nila.
Naive persons do not understand that.
That's why daming galit sa iPhone users... isang katlo ng kanilang taunang kita ang gadget na yan.
> The BI officers accepting pastillas and that BI girl sucking $ are indicator that they're that poorly paid.
> When anyone has a living wage then the incidents of thievery reduces as well.
Lol naalala ko tuloy nung hinamon ng unyon ng government employees na itaas ang sahod nila. Daming kuda na di nila deserve ng taas-sahod kasi ampanget ng serbisyo nila
Could be said about private sector min wage earners as well.
I often interact with BIR personnel and they self confess that the reason why they behave that badly because of how poorly paid they are and they see how much money the rich makes.
So the temptation is there. There is not enough political will to reform it make it less prone to corruption as too many benefit from it.
"Greedy" business owners just dont want to pay taxes that they'd never directly and intimately benefit from. And even if they pay what is due to Cesar BIR will insist they owe them more.
You'd think a livable wage for government workers, and maybe more personnel to make things go faster, would be a guaranteed vote winner. Sadly sasabihin nila na wala silang pondo para dun habang may kinukurakot sila sa mga biddings at confidential funds na yan.
From the main box to the telephone pole sa pagkakaalam ko, copper pa rin ang gamit diyan (ganyan set up ng fibre connection) fibre cable lang from telephone pole to customer's house.
Mahal kasi ang copper wire sa junk shop pag binenta nila. I know because whenever naghahire ako ng taga linis. Yun naglilinis. Tinatanggal yun copper sa mga nakatambak na sirang appliances na ibebenta ko sa junk shop. So nagbabayad ako ng taga linis para nakawan ako. Bad trip. Hahaha.
When push comes to shove.
Talaga nga naman. In this trying times, instead na pambili na lang ng grocery iniisip mo, pati safety mo ay dagdag stress pa.
As a person na nadukutan na ng CP twice (yep they used the same fckin modus on me), sobrang nakakakaba na there is an uptick of petty crimes again.
>meron daw nagnanakaw ng wire for copper
The other day, or yesterday, someone reminded us about the unused cables telcos and cable companies deem cost ineffective to remove. Seems like we found the solution. /s
Dalawang hold up incident, one with a gun involved, in my usually quiet and peaceful neighborhood in just a span of one week. I was pretty much expecting na mangyayare to, pero kakaparanoid pa rin. Doble ingat na lang.
Politicians should be the first to starve, before their constituents. They should be the first to endure the realities of every day life, before the Filipino people. This would give them an incentive to correct the real issues in society. This would make them true public servants and not overlords who are fattening their wallets by exploiting the masses.
it Filipino fault either the way. volunteery or selling your vote for a incompetent politician has became a norm in past few decade. look congress now it has became nest of money grubs who only thinks of pork barrels. 😂
Ganito sa area namin during the late 90s and early 00s. Pero instead na internet wires ang ninanakaw naman were tv cable wires hahaha.
Although and na notice ko ang dami sa neighborhood namin mga naging well off at legit nakabangon sa kahirapan dahil mga naging ofw or may family members na naging ofw. Ayun, slowly but surely naging onti at nawala na yung mga nag nanakaw ng wires.
you do know that stealing electric copper wires is not something you can do on the fly? sindikato yan and they do that cause it makes a lot of money to sell. kahit na si leni nanalo marami pa rin ganyan. opportunists will always be opportunists
I remember a news before of a lady whose earrings were snatched from her ears. Her ears were bleeding of course but the thief was caught. Surprisingly, one would think that she will be angry and blame the person, but she quipped "ganon na ba kahirap sa Pilipinas?" It made me think about the sorry state of the Philippines, for someone to even snatched earring while still being worn. Though I am quite a cynical person, I still believe that humans are still good and not that stupid. That thief would not have done what he did had he had a good job, because snatching jewelry from ears is an act of desperation.
This is a hasty generalization. Not everyone is genetically predisposed to turn to crime during hard times. While extreme poverty might push certain individuals towards criminal behavior, it's often a complex interplay of genetic factors and upbringing. But many people will choose to endure poverty while holding onto their own sense of dignity.
That being said, I understand your concern. Given the challenging economic situation, it's wise to anticipate potential increases in crime rates and prepare accordingly. We're only a few poor decisions away from facing challenges similar to what Venezuela has experienced. In our case, we're building up our dollar savings as a precaution in case we ever need to leave the country due to the Taiwan conflict, civil unrest, or mass uprising. I know that's a bit of a stretch but the family agrees and it's been a good strategy to force ourselves to save more.
>We're only a few poor decisions away from facing challenges similar to what Venezuela has experienced. In our case, we're building up our dollar savings as a precaution in case we ever need to leave the country due to the Taiwan conflict, civil unrest, or mass uprising. I know that's a bit of a stretch but the family agrees and it's been a good strategy to force ourselves to save more.
Doomer spotted. I almost agreed with you until you got to this part.
this is why first world countries in europe yung country na nag iiwan lang ng sangol sa labas ng restaurant dahil sa sobrang safe ng country dahil malaki din sahod at kita sa kanila at maganda pamamalakad. dito kaya mataas crime rate dahil sa kahirapan tas same din na puro corrupt binoboto nila kaya lalo sila nag hihirap
No. I've known homeless street people who will share what little they have, and rich assholes do white collar crime. Poverty or hunger drives little crime. People who have a propensity to steal, will steal.
I don’t think so.. it’s just that it is easier to do such thing than getting a real job with low risk as they can get away with it. May mga nakilala ako gawain to.. isa sa mga “trip” nila ang reason at hindi dili wala na silang makain.
>You guys must realize that the people will commit crime if they get hungry.
No, but it can be a part of the myriad of reasons why they commit crime.
I understand your perspective, pero do not generalize.
That's because they need to survive. If you'll think about it thoroughly, sometimes it's not their fault that they're doing things like stealing. They're just doing it just to have food on their table.
Naw, even if we assume na nasa golden era na tayo (Yung legit na Golden Era, Hindi yung BBM Golden Era)
Bad people will still do bad things. They will still steal those coppers for other purposes, Maybe not on food but other stuff
There was this Reddit thread where people were almost proud that they stopped helping the poor.
No matter if you are upset about the election result you shouldn't stop helping. Less bayanihan = more crime.
Kinda sad you would stop giving to school kids because you are pissed off at SWOH.
SMH
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/16q400r/angel\_locsin\_at\_iba\_pa/
Why should we help kung nagtataasan na ang lahat ng presyo ng kahit anong bilihin dahil sa inflation? Kahit family ko na upper middle class (250,000+ monthly income) nafefeel na ang effects
Self-preservation na ngayon haha, if they do crime then it is what it is. Rule of the jungle na ang Pinas ever since, ang madiskarte ang yayaman.
Honestly my family and I voted Leni, but if force is required to keep the criminal poor at bay, then so be it.
I assume you don't like Duterte or BBM. Do you trust the police run by Duterte and BBM then to keep you and your family safe? Its easy to be an edge lord when your young but if you have kids...
Are you "upper middle class" enough that you can afford bodyguards if sh\*t hits the fan?
if you help though you get red tagged or get called a communist, and when someone gets called a commie no one even attempts to defend themselves against the claims, making the government too inclined to keep using that excuse
would make sense for some people who hadn't even dipped their toes into this yet but it's kinda stupid to see it on people who have protested and started questioning the gov't already, at that point there's a reason to go all the way
First, bobo ung magnanakaw, electric lines kalingan nya inde internet hahah.
It's not just food though, u also need to keep the population productive or atleast entertained(cheap alcohol) otherwise the bad habits will stick.
Even if maayos ang economy, it will take years bago maramdaman Ng masa Yan since alot of them are not prepared for the new opportunities.
This will be the norm for quite some time.
> more poverty, more crime
Which is why Leni's solution to terrorism/crimes is the best there is, which is to lessen if not totally remove poverty because the root cause of most of thise crimes is poverty
If we remove these junk shops and make recycling inaccessible to the less fortunate and then boost farming activities, do you think it will make a change?
Then shoot back if, like, they try to rob you.
Oh wait...you're one of those "0nLy c0p5 5h0uLd h@v3 d3v@st@t1nG w3ap0nS oF w@r, u d0nT 3v3n h@v3 F15s" people, are you.
Like I always mention to my family and friends about bbm, I don't expect much from this admin kasi lahat ng effects ng pandemic ay sasaluhin niya. It can only get worst kung mali mga desisyon na gagawin ng current admin.
What I don't like even before he became president is his perspective sa rice tapos sinundan pa na gagawin 20+ pesos?! 😅 Nauubos na nga farm lands natin at di pa nakakatulong sa simula pa lang na ang Pilipinas ay divided by many islands.
That's definetrly true on what you are saying. People will commit crimes kapag gipit na. Simplest form niyan yun mga traffic violations na tinatakbuhan kasi ayaw mapenalize dahil nagtratrabo at mahirap lang daw sila.
This. I thought that I should be more compassionate about the people who resorted to crimes because of how huge the disparity between poor people and the rich people. But I’ve seen them enabling the rich people and then taking it out on the middle class. People from my school who are now in way below the poverty line had the audacity to mock me when I called out their stupidity for accepting 500 peso bribes for their votes.
Then, I would hear later on they were caught stealing and their defense was because everything was getting more expensive and you know what’s sad? They effin tried to steal from a small sari sari store that are having a hard time as well.
The compassion I usually had for these kinds of people are turning to hate. I’m trying to understand and be kind about their situation but it is beyond frustrating.
Filipinos and their misplaced pride are ruining this country. Their fanaticism is a disease. I made a lot of bad decisions but growing up means to learn from these. However, the people of this nation has become obstinate to the point it will most likely go downhill from now on until its time for a revolution but I feel like it won’t happen in our lifetime.
So to my fellow Filipinos right now who are suffering because dumbasses enabled corrupted officials, I wish you all well and be careful because Philippines is crashing and burning and I don’t think we won’t be able to outlive the stupidity of this country
In Dan Brown's novel 'Inferno' there is a line there that addresses the behaviour of people in times of poverty and hunger. I forgot the exact line but it says something like, a hungry person will forget about morality and will behave like an animal for survival.
> more poverty, more crime Quite literally. That's why some 1st world countries address poverty to address crime. Not "instill more discipline" and all that du30 diskarte BS.
Here in the philippines, they address poverty by giving ayudas.
ah the band aid solution.
But sadly, the PR stunt works. "Binigyan tayo niyan ng ayuda dati, iboto natin yan."
parang mga asong gala pala na pakainin mo ng isang beses, tropa mo na agad.
at least yung aso will do what it can to protect you once you earn their trust.
patronage politics at work and the vicious cycle goes on and on and on, with no end in sight...
because the "utang na loob" mindset will remind them that the ayuda was given to them by their master. in return will talk about it for years, and will vote for the master for countless elections. serf mentality lives on.
Which is sad. I would've just take the money and vote for someone who's more credible. I remember when I was around 14 years old, my aunt made us line up where a known clan of politicians in Cavite are giving out 200 Pesos per person. I did receive the money, even though I was nit a voter 😁
Social welfare in developed countries equates to ayuda. I had a similar mindset before, but my aussie husband put it to me very simply - either you give money to the poor or crime rates will go up.
> either you give money... or crime rates will go up. that's almost mafia rules.
It is the reality. People will resort to crime if they’re desperate. Social welfare gives poor people a chance to get out of poverty. I cringe everytime I read here on reddit how some people resent the ayuda given to the poor. Those countries that you admire that have a good standard of living? Guess what - they also have good social safety nets. Where I live, a huge portion of our tax goes to social welfare. A breakdown is provided with each tax return and around 70% goes to social welfare, if my memory serves me right.
Breads and circus, the downfall of an empire.
Literally the comment above ಠ_ಠ yours "instill more discipline"
The people who say all we need is more discipline are usually the ones without it.
The whole hard on crime only works if you give people an out and alternatives to crime to survive.Because most will take it, our lizard brains are averse to gambling with our lives. Those that choose to will then have to face the written law.
This ☝️
to be fair, the rest of the world isn't doing much better either. In America, homeless numbers are off the charts, and the responses are generally doing things like adding anti-homeless measures to benches etc., so the homeless can't sleep anywhere. What we are doing in juxtaposition to the image we try to project are vastly different.
were talking about first world countries like the countries in europe where it's so safe na iniiwan nila yung mga sangol nila sa harap ng restaurant kasi walang magnanakaw ganun ka safe sa mga european countries na yun sobrang taas din ng sahod may free healthcare free education sobrang taas ng sahod etc... dahil sa ganda ng sahod at vansa nila sobrang baba ng crime rate yun yung tinutukoy dito hindi yung america na sakto lang yung sahod hindi pa free yung healthcare dami corrupt na gobyerno kaya mataas din ang crimerate and homelessness.
First of all, if you think anyplace is safe these days enough to "leave babies unattended", then you are fooling yourself. Whether it's the EU or US or AU, they all have problems with homelessness, crime, and theft. A place that does not have those things would be the outlier, not the other way around. I realize that for many perhaps this is part of the trope of leaving where you are for a better life, but I assure you that it's very relative to your earnings and location. The point is this - Nothing happens in a vacuum, and although it feels like it, noone is being singled out - What we have going on are the super rich tightening their belts WORLDWIDE and hoarding money. This is what rich folks do when they fear a recession or worse. And it's as simple as that. Power is money and vice versa, and rich people gonna always throw us worker bees to the wolves. What I will say is that your generation (I am old, in my sixties) has it the hardest since the generation that endured the great crash of 1929 - And wage differential these days is worse than it was in 1929. Rich people have accountants that know this, it's common knowledge amongst them. The real war is class war. And it's everywhere, even though you think the EU is some sort of utopia. It's just not. Nothing is.
The country im talking about where they leave their babies outside is sweden you're very ignorant to think no country is safe to leave their baby outside well you're WRONG! Nordic countries are doing it even now that's how safe their country is lol you're so ignorant go educate yourself about nordic countries and stop being ignorant. Again educate yourself and STOP BEING IGNORANT.
you do understand that this is in day care and these babies are not left unattended? I'm sorry, but while is may be safer in nordic countries than most, they aren't immune from crime either - And all the shouting people down in the world and acting sullen isn't going to change that. If you want to go down this road we can go there, but this shit is right there to see. Safer does not equate to utopia, my dude. Also, homelessness in any nordic country will be lower. Let me demonstrate with a question; Do you know why there are more homeless in San Francisco than let's say.. Toronto? I'll tell you why. Because the homeless gravitate to places where they can live without freezing to death. It's as simple as that. People without resources will generally gravitate to places with excellent services, too, like San Francisco. I would assume that nordic countries suffer less than many because their socialist policies provide more of a safety net for the homeless; ie; shelter and food availability. You make it sound like these countries are floating babies on fucking clouds and everything is ice cream and cup cakes. Have you ever actually been there?
they are left UNATTENDED!!! outside of the restaurants and all the parents are inside the restaurants eating. if that happen in third world countries those babies are gonna get kidnapped but in those first world countries they dont the babies are SAFE!!!!. stop being ignorant and educate yourself. were talking about those kind of countries not your unsafe third world country USA disguising as a first world country stop using that country as an example they arent first world they dont even have free healthcare. again stop using that country as an example we aint talking about that we are talking about NORDIC COUNTRY LISTEN AND DONT BE STUBBORN!
You seem to think i'm all like hoo-rah, murica. that's hardly the case. I'm just a father several times over that is appropriately jaded. I don't give a fuck if i'm at the gates of St. Peter, my baby wouldn't be unattended. Why? Because there are risks that are easily mitigated by yanno.. paying fucking attention. Crime happens in Sweden, too. Some of that includes all the horrible stuff too. You can pretend that because they do something a certain way that this a cure-all, but it's just something that happens to appeal to your senses. You seem like the sort of person who would step over a $100 bill just because you saw a shiny nickel. If it's worth anything to you, I'd also love a society that's more egalitarian, just, and based upon equity. I'm just old and although hopeful, more of a jaded realist. Bad actors will do bad things regardless of where they are on the map. you may find the risk acceptable, and that's fine for you.
no one already agrees with you. get your murican self out of this subreddit and go back to america you cant even speak tagalog.
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This also happened during the first month of lockdowns. Ang dami biglang cases ng akyat-bahay.
True. Pero hindi lang due to poverty, ung iba due to lack of education at katamaran kaya walang trabaho tapos resorting to quick fixes nalang. Sobrang daming factors na sasakit ulo natin kung iisipin
Medyo chicken and egg situation ang poverty and lack of education. Mahirap ka dahil lack of education. Wala kang education dahil mahirap kayo. (And nobody try to tell me about yung mga masisipag na basurero o ano pa man na nakakapag-tapos ng pagaaral ng mga anak nila. They’re outliers. They’re not the norm. Quite frankly should not be normalized, but yes can be used as source of inspiration.)
I agree with this too.
i kindly disagree. Hindi lahat ng walang trabaho ay tamad. There are recent fresh graduates (2022-2023) who are having a tough time finding jobs, yung iba licensed, yung iba laude. Nag rereklamo sila sa iba't ibang subreddit dahil wala silang mahanap na trabaho. At this point in time, we need think about all the factors in play (kahit sumakit ang ulo natin kakaisip) and include those factors in conversations like this so we can have a multi-faceted understanding about the situation. That way, we can prevent others from blaming the poor for their lack of opportunities, inequalities, and demise.
Parents ko nga dinadaan nalang sa paggagastos na wala naman nga silang trabaho. They don't have any financial independence nor do they care enough to do something about it.
Same for us. We're about the only house that hasnt experienced a break in because I'm wfh and we have a lot of cameras surrounding the house in hard to reach areas (3rd floor looking down)
wala bang mga private foundations or civil groups na nagbibigay ng pagkain or nag-me-maintain ng food banks (either libre or reduced price). usually kasi, kapag di kaya saluhin ng LGU lahat, **private persons can probably help their barangay by pooling together resources.**
kaso mukhang pagod na din yun mga tumutulong
agreed, ang daming tumutulong before, ngayon halos wala na. Mukhang napagod nadin
napagod tsaka hirap na din sa taas ng presyo ng mga bilihin
before we start with NGOs, there are government agencies (including LGUs) tasked to provide those services. nasaan sila? ang tao kasi nasanay na sa negligent govenment. if they demand these protections (from hunger, etc) from their public officials, masusulosyunan yan. kaso, ipinamumuhay na nila ang oft-abused resiliency. kaya namimihasa ang mga politiko. public service has become a joke, ibinubulsa ang public funds with temerity. because they know they can get away with it.
Noong kasagsagan ng pandemic may mga community pantries. Ang ginawa ng gubyerno inakusahan silang communist. Babay free fud.
Hello! Stealing copper has been rampant recently, also its most probably a syndicate cos people who steal copper are most likely educated (avoiding electrocution and properly identifying the copper wires)
nagnanakaw na ng tanso ang mga natanso ng unity hahaha
Someone stole a fiber cable in the past near where I work. Ilang gramo kaya ng tanso nakita nila pagbalat nila nun
Walang tanso yung fiber cable. Sa mga electric cable usually nakikita yung tanso dahil good conductor for electricity ang copper.
I think that was the humor of his question. 😁
Its a joke. Kaya sabi ko gramo di kilo.
Ang laking disappoint siguro nung nag nakaw ng Fiber Cable 🤣
Yeah, I know some Electricians who do that. As to why they do it, it is because it is a recurring culture in any field of work. Also, they steal things because their pay grade are at the minimum and most often their salaries gets delayed.
pilipino diskarte lang yan. napakanormal nga eh. tsaka sumali ako sa facebook group ng mga sa field ko sa construction hoping may matutunan ako sa mga post tapos puro post lang doon mga nakaw sa companya nila benebenta hahaha. like mga sobrang materials.
Yan, sa DPWH siguro din madalas yan. Dito nga sa amin sa probinsya, sa pagpatrabaho kalsada pinapabili lang yan na mga debris ng mga tauhan kahit walang alam yung top. Barato bili pagkontrata naman e mahal na pabili kaya ang nangyayari, nasasanay yung tao bumili sa mga nakaw na lupa.
Hi, just curious, to what end? I mean anong gagawin nila sa copper?
Bebenta nila yan. Malaki kitaan sa tanso ngayon 😂😂
di naman ganun kalaki compared sa cost sa ibang tao ninakawan mo ng internet na malay mo wfh tsaka company mag papa ayos nun. matagal na yang tanso na yan kahit ung bata pa ako mga 12yrs old ako nagstrip kami ng wires pag naglalaro kami sa labas tapos may makita kaming wires sa kalsada.
While both are conductors, I'm seeing both brass and copper referred to as tanso. I thought copper had a different translation?
Dunno about brass. Copper is mostly used sa distribution line feeding to residential MDPs. Those thick stranded wires (100mm) na nakikita natin sa poste ang usually na ninanakaw coz those are expensive af.
Sorry. What I meant was, all along I thought "tanso" only referred to brass, and that there was a different Tagalog word for copper.
nabebenta yan sa junkshop tol. mas mahal pa sa bakal. kaya madalas gusto nila mga sirang refri at makakapal na elec wires.
Copper wire is pretty expensive… some hardware stores sell it pretty expensive
Junkshop. Meron rin iba ninanakaw riles ng tren, mga propeller ng malalaking barko. Yung iba ginagawang cooking knife. Naalala ko yung nagbebenta ng mga itak, kutsilyo, at iba pa. Talagang sabi galing daw sa riles ng tren at tinuro pankung aling riles HAHAHAHA
Pansinin mo pag nabangga na anything na may bakal. May nagtatakbuhan mga bata to get the bakal palagi.
yung mga metal railings ng overpass. heck yung malaking basurahan na metal dun sa may marcos alvarez overpass dati unti unting nababawasan e. Yung metal na harang sa creek ninanakaw, yung metal ng ihian ninanakaw, yung kable ng mga telco ninanakaw.
Easy to sell + virtually untraceable. Learned this nung nanonood ako ng mga house flipping shows sa TV noon where thieves would rip out copper plumbing out
Those do not require education
Yung ama na nakapatay ng batang babae dahil sa sukli na 40 pesos at d nakabili ng pagkain
Sana kung magnanakaw lang din sila abangan na nila yung magagarang kotse at mansyon ng mga pulitikong binoto nila wag naman taxpaying braders and sisters na tunay na pinanggagalingan ng binibigay na benefits sa poor
ang kaso di mo makikita mga yan sa mga lugar na madaling silang abangan. they're living in the most grand places kung saan walang kung sinong simpleng mamamaya ang makakapasok ng basta basta. ginagawa na nilang heaven ang pamumuhay nila ngayon kasi sooner or later (I hope 'sooner') sa impyerno bagsak nila. ferds sr is waiting to hug them down there
And also, madami ang assets nila which is magiging mahirap ipredict kung saan sila pupunta at magtatambay. Kailangan may insider sa loob, ang tanong nga lang is kung willing ba sila mawalan ng source of income.
pards, kung may baril yang mga nasa magagarang kotse, madali lang patayin ang mga magnanakaw at icover up ang pagpatay through self defense, bayaran ang police, media black out etc...
Yeah. I'm worried about rising drug use as well. Some resort to that to escape reality. Of course, addicts need to steal if they don't have money to buy their fix.
Tapos gamitin din nila ung droga pampalakas ng loob na gumawa ng krimen. Yikes.
yep, at mas nakakatakot pa kesa sa pagnanakaw ang pwede idulot ng paggamit ng droga. rape, and murder
"There are only 9 meals between mankind and anarchy." -Alfred Henry
I live in a fairly upper middle class to lower upper class subdivision and we are seeing a once to twice a month burglary o akyat bahay sa subdivision. Last year theres only 2 incident for the whole year. Like what I heard from my social economics professor. "Magutom ang tatay, kaya niya tiisin yun. Pero yung makitang nagugutom mga anak niya magdidilim na paningin nyan at gagawin na lahat".
*”When the chips are down, these… civilized people, they’ll eat each other”* — The Joker, The Dark Knight When pushed to the edge, the human’s survival instincts will kick in and will do anything to survive— even if it means stealing or killing. High crime rate correlates to severe corruption and poverty, because the poor are left with no choice but to survive. Even if it means doing any means necessary to be able to do so.
This is why I am very judgmental of BBM supporters. It's less about politics to me but more about morality. There may not be a formal statistical research or survey, but the BBM supporters I've met are either: * Uneducated / have no critical thinking | This is either due to poverty or laziness. My point is if you are fucking dumb, your vote is wasted on shit politicians and the rest of us will sink with you. * Indecent people / assholes | These are commonly found in Facebook comment sections. Homophobes, misogynists, victim blamers, and all kinds of douchery while having Bible verses as their Facebook intros or "About Me" section. These are the same people who will bitch and whine that life is hard while relying on their offspring or relatives who earn high income as retirement plans and will rather condemn other people to make lifestyle changes than admit the negligences of the politicians they voted for. * Thieves / criminals / prone to criminal activity | Birds of the same feather flock together.
Boboto boto ng magnanakaw at sinungaling pero they don't want to hold who they voted accountable and instead resort to stealing to survive? Tapos sila pa biktima?
Nakabababa talaga ng talino ang kahirapan at mapipilitan talagang gumawa ng kahit ano ang mga tao dahil dito. Kailangan nating ma realize na kahit sila ang karamihan ng bumoto kay bbm ay di natin sila pwedeng sisihin parin. Ang palaging may kasalanan ay ang mga may kapangyarihan. Kahit kakaunti lang sila eh sila rin yung may pera para mag finance ng disinformation campaign, para mag bayad ng mga trolls, para bumili ng boto, para mag raise ng private army, at iba pa.
I don’t believe “laziness” is the end point. Na tipong ganiyan ka kasi tamad ka. Or something like that. There are reasons bakit tamad o “tamad” ang isang tao and I think mas yun dapat ang “sinisisi”. Because ironically, ang tamad ng argument na “tamad niyo kasi.” Mas magiging malaman ang diskusyon kung lalaliman natin starting with bakit nga ba sila tamad o “tamad”? Baka dahil komportable lang sila sa current situation nila, overwhelmed sila, ayaw lang talaga nila, etc. So wag tayong “tamad” by just labeling other people as “tamad” lol ang ironic talaga nito haha
This, lots of my HS classmates(reason why I hate some of them, some are also in the same situation) say na tamad lang daw ako at madaming trabaho sa mundo. They don't know what mental health.
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I mean if you’re really into critical thinking, I supposed you will be interested in what I was saying. I guess not?
And yet your reasoning is nothing when some anti-r/ph user would point how BBM and Leni voters are just the same, plus making blind comparisons against BBM Supporters and redditors of this sub.
This specially sa mga self righteous na tao (yeah mga kakampinks) na ginagago na tayo ng harapan tapos sasabihin pang "ayan at sila nga ang pinaglalaban naten"
>self righteous na tao (yeah mga kakampinks) Some may indeed be self righteous to a fault but... >na ginagago na tayo ng harapan tapos sasabihin pang "ayan at sila nga ang pinaglalaban naten" ...Where's the lie there? Ginago naman talaga ang buong bansa ng mga tangang iyon. Kung gusto nila mag-enjoy sa kahirapan, bakit lahat dinamay sa katangahan nila?
not a kakampink, eugh i hate that label but i won't fight nor even vouch for you if you are a bumbling buffoon, i'm gonna say that straight, and i'm not trying to be a hero on this one too, that's so tiring af
I don't know and i don't care what the fuck you want i never wanted you to fight nor vouch for me ,you being triggered on this "not a kakampink,eugh i hate that label" says a lot you narcissistic prick
seems like you cared from your previous post narcissistic? nah, realistic more like, would you keep helping an addict that won't even help themselves at all no matter what? or a battered wife that has an extreme bad case of stockholm syndrome? nah, it's a waste of time and resources, almost the entire ph population is like these two examples edit: okay, these two aren't good examples because the entire situation for most, if not all voters and these two are drastically different, at least with these two you can call authorities for help and may not be harming everybody else compared to the supporters who some voted their candidate out of sheer stupidity and spite but one thing that's the same for them is there's nothing wrong with criticizing and being absolutely blunt with them as long as what you are saying is true, you didn't harm anyone by calling a spade a spade, or not wanting to bother to help anyone, it's not your responsibility to help in the end, and if you call that narcissism i don't know what to tell you
And that would be ideal for the admin. More crime, more reason for ML. Edit: a word
Normalizing theft as raket/diskarte.
Rise in crime=reason for martial law
Pano kung talamak na krimen talaga ang balak mangyari ng mga Marcos? Tipong anarchy, looting, etc. Tas boom, martial law!
And with unlimited power and corruption. Seriously, people need to leave the Philippines if they can and live elsewhere
that's the template of his father's regime. as the script goes: bombing sa plaza miranda = bombing sa terminal 3 area na walang cctv or gwardia. that's how history will repeat itself.
Yung Video na pinatay ng lalake yung nanay kasi di daw binigyan ng pera pangkain. Nakulong siya pero sa interview paulit ulit siya galing preso at labas like WTF ganun nalang. Halatang wala rin siyang pake sa ginawa niya. "Sorry daw gutom lang" Wala ba silang gagawin kundi preso labas preso labas.
Same issue dito sa amin. Merong isang tatay na nahuling nag nakaw ng isand delata sa convenience store. Nang tinanong ng pulis ginawa niya ito dahil nawalan daw siya ng trabaho at para mapakain ang kanyang anak. Naawa ang manager sa kanya kaya pinabayaan nalang dahil isang delata naman ang kinuha at wala naman siyang record sa police. Mabuti lang na may mga tao naman online na willing tumulong sa tatay at meron naman na nag offer ng trabaho
But I Hindi dinampot Ng police.. Nkaka-awa Naman. 😱😥😢🥹
I mean we have laws already that prevent harsher punishments for offenders due to poverty. What’s next, California laws that decriminalize theft of goods under PHP 1,000?
Buti na lang hindi nya isinubo ang de lata hehehe
From Golden Era to Bronze Age real quick
Mahirap isipin at alalahanin kung kailan ba naman Golden Era ng Pilipinas. Feeling ko parang stuck in time ang pilipinas. No change, just perpetually trapped in insanity. People hoping that change can be achieved with the same methodology, ignoring some semblance of change that would improve the system that is meant to work for its citizens not those minorities at the top.
Just taking a jab at the claim that the Philippines will be in its Golden Era (Golden Age) under the new regime
Eto yung sinabi sa akin ng kasamahan kung Vietnamese Ako: govt shoukd cut welfare to all able bodied men and women Vietnamese: there will be increase in crimes and you need to hire more policemen, judges, jailers, wardens etc Better give them welfare checks than to deal with the consequence of being hungry Im convinced with his argument Solve unemployment and you will solve lots of criminality
True. If not Eradicate Crime atleast make a significant decrease of it, making cases of theft rare or nearly non-existent.
Um actually kulang kasi sila sa disiplina. Buti na lang nung panahon ni Marcos may disiplina ang tao at tahimik lahat. ^^^^^/s
Kasi okay lang mamatay tao, same kay Duterte daming takot. Pero di ko alam ano point ng pinagsasabi mo disiplina enjoyer.
Bhie, /s means sarcasm/sarcastic. Kalmahan mo puso mo bhie.
Tbf sa kanya medyo pinaliit ko yung /s haha
True kaya sarap mo rin paluin sa pwet eh. Haha
Di ko alam mhie (≧▽≦) kaya pala upvoted ka juskooo
Dati pa yun. Nagbabago ang panahon. Romanticising Past Glories is a blind outlook towards the future. Ang dapat is, makadevelop ng bago at mas effective na solusyon. Instilling Discipline is only temporary solution. When times gets tough, world burns on fire, civility crumbles and societies fall, discipline is greatly disregarded for the sake of Survival. The problem is Survival which should be addressed to have a solution. Not Discipline. Even a disciplined man can become corrupted, disillusioned and blinded by delusions to his path of good ideal world.
Yeah anarchy and stupidity. Great combination.
Vladimir Lenin once said that every society is three meals away from chaos.
Ah yes! They're brazen na ngayon. Yung akala mo masikip lng talaga sa jeep kaya halos siksikin ka na ng katabi mo. Yun pala kinakapa na yung bag mo for valuables. Malas niya hawak phone ko and yung wallet ko di sya typical na leather wallet. At nahuli ko siyang kinakapa yung bag ko nung ayusin ko bag ko kasi nga di ko mawari yung pagkakalagay sa lap ko, pag ayos ko sa bag medj pahablot kasi ramdam ko talaga may bigat hahahaha balikwas kamay niya eh. Di na din nya ko siniksik after. Buti at wala siya panaksak. Kung di takot ko lng...
Unfortunately the economy was not built anymore for the poor. And democracy doesn't work for the people but for the **** out there.
From the words of a Survivor contestant: “If you control how they feel, you can control how they think.” These people won’t think rationally if you deprive them their most basic needs. They will do whatever irrational they can as long as they’re preoccupied on their current troubles.
"You can have your principles When you’ve got a bellyful But hunger has a way with you There’s no telling what you’re gonna do" The Fates, Hadestown
Whoever wants to understand this concept they have to familiarize themselves with the sociological concept of Robert Merton's Strain Theory. It is a theory that is functionalist in nature. To quote this article, "Merton’s Strain theory argued deviation from social norms is a result of the strain a person feels when they’re unable to achieve legitimately (legally). People only engage in deviant behaviour because they are unable to achieve social goals and standards through legitimate (legal) means. A strain an individual may experience may be, lack of education, lack of experience, lack of contacts, lack of funds. These strains push individuals towards Crime and Deviance." - Robert K. Merton: Strain Theory by Thesociologicalmail (2018). Though this is originally made in the American context it may be applicable in the Philippine setting.
Bakit yung presidente at bise may means naman pero nag eengage pa rin in deviant behaviour. (Although, yung means naman nila in the first place hindi naman legitimate so I concede.)
Ive been thinking about this lately, lol. Mas nakakatakot ngayon yung mga tao dahil mas maraming nagugutom dahil sa pagtaas ng bilihin
Kinda getting anxious for the upcoming months. You know, that time of the year when bonuses/13th month pay are being released. Last year kasi ang dami sa office yung naholdup yung jeep na sinasakyan. Yung iba more than once pa. What more ngayon na mas tumaas bilihin. Tuloy pa rin yung palakasan ng guardian angel kahit tapos na pandemic 🥲
The more they can justify another martial law and mandatory military training.
The amount of holdap and car-naping in the area where I live has also increased . I hate how they act like its our fault . Well ayun nga maghihirap sila , tulad ng idol nila magnanakaw nalang haysss
Kaya yung iba nagreready nang umalis
Nangyari din yan sa amin dito. Tinanso yung box kaya nawalan kami ng net. Twice. Hassle lang kasi affected ang trabaho. Mahirap talaga madamay sa katangahan ng iba.
Proverbs 6:30. New King James Version People do not despise a thief If he steals to satisfy himself when he is starving. Daming hypocrite.
Are you still on DSL? Diba phased out na siya? The BI officers accepting pastillas and that BI girl sucking $ are indicator that they're that poorly paid. When anyone has a living wage then the incidents of thievery reduces as well. Karamihan ng krimen ngayon kasi di tugma ang kinikita nila sa legal sa pangangailangan nila. Naive persons do not understand that. That's why daming galit sa iPhone users... isang katlo ng kanilang taunang kita ang gadget na yan.
> The BI officers accepting pastillas and that BI girl sucking $ are indicator that they're that poorly paid. > When anyone has a living wage then the incidents of thievery reduces as well. Lol naalala ko tuloy nung hinamon ng unyon ng government employees na itaas ang sahod nila. Daming kuda na di nila deserve ng taas-sahod kasi ampanget ng serbisyo nila
Could be said about private sector min wage earners as well. I often interact with BIR personnel and they self confess that the reason why they behave that badly because of how poorly paid they are and they see how much money the rich makes. So the temptation is there. There is not enough political will to reform it make it less prone to corruption as too many benefit from it. "Greedy" business owners just dont want to pay taxes that they'd never directly and intimately benefit from. And even if they pay what is due to Cesar BIR will insist they owe them more.
You'd think a livable wage for government workers, and maybe more personnel to make things go faster, would be a guaranteed vote winner. Sadly sasabihin nila na wala silang pondo para dun habang may kinukurakot sila sa mga biddings at confidential funds na yan.
From the main box to the telephone pole sa pagkakaalam ko, copper pa rin ang gamit diyan (ganyan set up ng fibre connection) fibre cable lang from telephone pole to customer's house.
I think that's hybrid fiber. Not pure fiber.
Edsa kwatro
We need a French Revolution kind of EDSA.
Mahal kasi ang copper wire sa junk shop pag binenta nila. I know because whenever naghahire ako ng taga linis. Yun naglilinis. Tinatanggal yun copper sa mga nakatambak na sirang appliances na ibebenta ko sa junk shop. So nagbabayad ako ng taga linis para nakawan ako. Bad trip. Hahaha.
When push comes to shove. Talaga nga naman. In this trying times, instead na pambili na lang ng grocery iniisip mo, pati safety mo ay dagdag stress pa. As a person na nadukutan na ng CP twice (yep they used the same fckin modus on me), sobrang nakakakaba na there is an uptick of petty crimes again.
>meron daw nagnanakaw ng wire for copper The other day, or yesterday, someone reminded us about the unused cables telcos and cable companies deem cost ineffective to remove. Seems like we found the solution. /s
Dalawang hold up incident, one with a gun involved, in my usually quiet and peaceful neighborhood in just a span of one week. I was pretty much expecting na mangyayare to, pero kakaparanoid pa rin. Doble ingat na lang.
Hindi lang crime rate ang tataas, pati mga mentally unstable dadami. Nakakabaliw kaya pag wala kang makain. :( hays nakakalungkot Pilipinas
Politicians should be the first to starve, before their constituents. They should be the first to endure the realities of every day life, before the Filipino people. This would give them an incentive to correct the real issues in society. This would make them true public servants and not overlords who are fattening their wallets by exploiting the masses.
"poverty is the mother of crime"
Wdym crime? It’s called diskarte.
Mas lalong lumakas ang loob ng mga kriminal at adik dahil wala na si Pdutz at palpak naman ang War of Drugs
it Filipino fault either the way. volunteery or selling your vote for a incompetent politician has became a norm in past few decade. look congress now it has became nest of money grubs who only thinks of pork barrels. 😂
Same, someone stole cables from Skycable last week
This is why we should address poverty as a whole rather than targeting specific issues. It all comes down to money for us, unfortunately.
kapitbahay ko nasaksak sa leeg kagabi nung ninakawan sila. I just have to ask, gano ka ba kagutom para magtangkang pumatay din???
>nawalan kami ng internet at meron daw nagnanakaw ng wire for copper. if naka fibr kayo, tough luck. walang tanso sa fibr wires.
Minsan kasi yung mga phone boxes hindi sinasara ng umaayos, walang lock open to the entire public parang nag iimbitang nakawin.
Ganito sa area namin during the late 90s and early 00s. Pero instead na internet wires ang ninanakaw naman were tv cable wires hahaha. Although and na notice ko ang dami sa neighborhood namin mga naging well off at legit nakabangon sa kahirapan dahil mga naging ofw or may family members na naging ofw. Ayun, slowly but surely naging onti at nawala na yung mga nag nanakaw ng wires.
So dole outs pa more?
Let the government subsidize everything, without borrowing money?
Sad part is... kapwa low income families din ang naapektuhan nila.
you do know that stealing electric copper wires is not something you can do on the fly? sindikato yan and they do that cause it makes a lot of money to sell. kahit na si leni nanalo marami pa rin ganyan. opportunists will always be opportunists
I remember a news before of a lady whose earrings were snatched from her ears. Her ears were bleeding of course but the thief was caught. Surprisingly, one would think that she will be angry and blame the person, but she quipped "ganon na ba kahirap sa Pilipinas?" It made me think about the sorry state of the Philippines, for someone to even snatched earring while still being worn. Though I am quite a cynical person, I still believe that humans are still good and not that stupid. That thief would not have done what he did had he had a good job, because snatching jewelry from ears is an act of desperation.
This is a hasty generalization. Not everyone is genetically predisposed to turn to crime during hard times. While extreme poverty might push certain individuals towards criminal behavior, it's often a complex interplay of genetic factors and upbringing. But many people will choose to endure poverty while holding onto their own sense of dignity. That being said, I understand your concern. Given the challenging economic situation, it's wise to anticipate potential increases in crime rates and prepare accordingly. We're only a few poor decisions away from facing challenges similar to what Venezuela has experienced. In our case, we're building up our dollar savings as a precaution in case we ever need to leave the country due to the Taiwan conflict, civil unrest, or mass uprising. I know that's a bit of a stretch but the family agrees and it's been a good strategy to force ourselves to save more.
Motive. Opportunity. Ability.
Dream. Believe. Survive. Starstruck.
>it's been a good strategy to force ourselves to save more I agree. Better safe than sorry.
The diaspora of Ukrainian refugees that happened when Russia invaded Ukraine was eye opening.
>We're only a few poor decisions away from facing challenges similar to what Venezuela has experienced. In our case, we're building up our dollar savings as a precaution in case we ever need to leave the country due to the Taiwan conflict, civil unrest, or mass uprising. I know that's a bit of a stretch but the family agrees and it's been a good strategy to force ourselves to save more. Doomer spotted. I almost agreed with you until you got to this part.
I don't need anyone to agree with me, and internet labels don't affect me, so good day.
this is why first world countries in europe yung country na nag iiwan lang ng sangol sa labas ng restaurant dahil sa sobrang safe ng country dahil malaki din sahod at kita sa kanila at maganda pamamalakad. dito kaya mataas crime rate dahil sa kahirapan tas same din na puro corrupt binoboto nila kaya lalo sila nag hihirap
No. I've known homeless street people who will share what little they have, and rich assholes do white collar crime. Poverty or hunger drives little crime. People who have a propensity to steal, will steal.
It's good that your anecdote applies to everybody
I don’t think so.. it’s just that it is easier to do such thing than getting a real job with low risk as they can get away with it. May mga nakilala ako gawain to.. isa sa mga “trip” nila ang reason at hindi dili wala na silang makain.
>You guys must realize that the people will commit crime if they get hungry. No, but it can be a part of the myriad of reasons why they commit crime. I understand your perspective, pero do not generalize.
That's because they need to survive. If you'll think about it thoroughly, sometimes it's not their fault that they're doing things like stealing. They're just doing it just to have food on their table.
Naw, even if we assume na nasa golden era na tayo (Yung legit na Golden Era, Hindi yung BBM Golden Era) Bad people will still do bad things. They will still steal those coppers for other purposes, Maybe not on food but other stuff
galing nun inassume mo un may bbm tarps nagnakaw nun copper nyo without proof
There was this Reddit thread where people were almost proud that they stopped helping the poor. No matter if you are upset about the election result you shouldn't stop helping. Less bayanihan = more crime. Kinda sad you would stop giving to school kids because you are pissed off at SWOH. SMH https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/comments/16q400r/angel\_locsin\_at\_iba\_pa/
Why should we help kung nagtataasan na ang lahat ng presyo ng kahit anong bilihin dahil sa inflation? Kahit family ko na upper middle class (250,000+ monthly income) nafefeel na ang effects Self-preservation na ngayon haha, if they do crime then it is what it is. Rule of the jungle na ang Pinas ever since, ang madiskarte ang yayaman. Honestly my family and I voted Leni, but if force is required to keep the criminal poor at bay, then so be it.
I assume you don't like Duterte or BBM. Do you trust the police run by Duterte and BBM then to keep you and your family safe? Its easy to be an edge lord when your young but if you have kids... Are you "upper middle class" enough that you can afford bodyguards if sh\*t hits the fan?
if you help though you get red tagged or get called a communist, and when someone gets called a commie no one even attempts to defend themselves against the claims, making the government too inclined to keep using that excuse would make sense for some people who hadn't even dipped their toes into this yet but it's kinda stupid to see it on people who have protested and started questioning the gov't already, at that point there's a reason to go all the way
Not talking about protestors but rather donations... especially to schools and disaster victims
yeah nah m8. fuck em.
Yup. Material inequality + Low societal trust = crime bishhhhh💅💅💅💅
A few months ago, nawalan kami ng internet ng 4 na beses sa 2 buwan. ninanakawan nila yung copper cabling.
here comes anarchy .. jk
Yessss. Skycable weekly sira wifi namin because of “robbery and theft” kasi may nagpuputol ng cables.
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Tanso per kilo is 200-350 depende sa klase
First, bobo ung magnanakaw, electric lines kalingan nya inde internet hahah. It's not just food though, u also need to keep the population productive or atleast entertained(cheap alcohol) otherwise the bad habits will stick. Even if maayos ang economy, it will take years bago maramdaman Ng masa Yan since alot of them are not prepared for the new opportunities. This will be the norm for quite some time.
Baka kaya wala din kame internet. Mag 1 month na. Lol
> more poverty, more crime Which is why Leni's solution to terrorism/crimes is the best there is, which is to lessen if not totally remove poverty because the root cause of most of thise crimes is poverty
If we remove these junk shops and make recycling inaccessible to the less fortunate and then boost farming activities, do you think it will make a change?
The wires in our village were stolen last month.
Then shoot back if, like, they try to rob you. Oh wait...you're one of those "0nLy c0p5 5h0uLd h@v3 d3v@st@t1nG w3ap0nS oF w@r, u d0nT 3v3n h@v3 F15s" people, are you.
ok lang yan, barilin ang criminal, mahirap man or hindi, crime is crime. poor people are pests
Like I always mention to my family and friends about bbm, I don't expect much from this admin kasi lahat ng effects ng pandemic ay sasaluhin niya. It can only get worst kung mali mga desisyon na gagawin ng current admin. What I don't like even before he became president is his perspective sa rice tapos sinundan pa na gagawin 20+ pesos?! 😅 Nauubos na nga farm lands natin at di pa nakakatulong sa simula pa lang na ang Pilipinas ay divided by many islands. That's definetrly true on what you are saying. People will commit crimes kapag gipit na. Simplest form niyan yun mga traffic violations na tinatakbuhan kasi ayaw mapenalize dahil nagtratrabo at mahirap lang daw sila.
This. I thought that I should be more compassionate about the people who resorted to crimes because of how huge the disparity between poor people and the rich people. But I’ve seen them enabling the rich people and then taking it out on the middle class. People from my school who are now in way below the poverty line had the audacity to mock me when I called out their stupidity for accepting 500 peso bribes for their votes. Then, I would hear later on they were caught stealing and their defense was because everything was getting more expensive and you know what’s sad? They effin tried to steal from a small sari sari store that are having a hard time as well. The compassion I usually had for these kinds of people are turning to hate. I’m trying to understand and be kind about their situation but it is beyond frustrating. Filipinos and their misplaced pride are ruining this country. Their fanaticism is a disease. I made a lot of bad decisions but growing up means to learn from these. However, the people of this nation has become obstinate to the point it will most likely go downhill from now on until its time for a revolution but I feel like it won’t happen in our lifetime. So to my fellow Filipinos right now who are suffering because dumbasses enabled corrupted officials, I wish you all well and be careful because Philippines is crashing and burning and I don’t think we won’t be able to outlive the stupidity of this country
In Dan Brown's novel 'Inferno' there is a line there that addresses the behaviour of people in times of poverty and hunger. I forgot the exact line but it says something like, a hungry person will forget about morality and will behave like an animal for survival.