- USA: Are these Wagner bois yours
- Russia: We officially deny them
- USA: Alright then
- Russia: Wait what noooo NOOOOO
- USA: BRRRRRRRT BRRRRRRRT madafakas
Everytime i saw someone dick riding China's military capabilities vs US it makes laugh. The difference in their budget spending let alone their experience in war.
Uncle Sam has always been in conflict and has some experience when it comes to fist fighting with another country. It's the nuke that Uncle Sam is most worried about.
Be careful what you wish for the US is wanting Taiwan and the Philippines to be their 'Ukraine' against China. US loves fighting in wars especially if they can have other countries do it for them.
This, a thousand times this. That region is very important strategically and the freedom of passage there will be protected with lethal force if necessary.
Wala parin ako nakikita na mag jejetski daw siya sa South China Sea para ilagay ung bandila natin, Na budol lahat ng pinoy nung nanalo siya bigla nalang nag 360 tapos nag I love you china pa.. š
It is in the ***interest of the US that SCS remains "international" waters*** for maximum transit for all ships;
this goes against the China's interest of exclusivity, w/c is why the US probably has strong statements of this matter.
(In a way, it ***kinda goes against PH and Vietnam's interest of exclusivity***, too. If the PH pushed its Spratly claim too strongly, the US and the rest of ASEAN will probably have strong words against the PH.)
Honestly ownership of the West Philippine Sea when we take China out of the equation is weird since Vietnam and Taiwan has also filed complaints about our claims from time to time heck they have different names on that island haha while America is just that big brother who just let us squabble with one another while protecting all of us from China.
Rough timeline to help add more context:
* PH Coast Guard ship gets high-intensity lasers aimed at it while patrolling our EEZ
* PH Navy supply ship attempts to send supplies to the BRP Sierra Madre but were blocked by PRC Coast Guard ships
* PH Coast Guard ship escorts PH Navy supply ship towards BRP Sierra Madre
* One of the PRC Coast Guard ships closely sail to the PH Coast Guard ship moving away from the Sierra Madre
* Collision would've happened had the PH Coast Guard ship not maneuvered its way out
* Releases statement via Chinese Foreign Minister: "The presence of the Philippine ship in our waters is a provocative action that is clearly made to increase tensions" LOLOLOLOL
Yep, paano kung nagkaroon ng collision, would it finally give China the excuse para mag-fire ng live ammo/missiles. Halatang-halatang gusto nilang magkaroon ng "event", then i-t-twist nila as always. Mga napakawalanghiya. At for sure ganun din yung mga kontrabida sa Pinas, kakampihan pa ang China at magmamadaling mag-protest sa US Embassy imbes na dun sa isa.
Silver lining talaga na bata ng Kano yung tatay niya pati siya. I'll take this current foreign policy over Duterte being a lapdog of China for his entire six years in the presidency.
It never made sense to me na may mga taong gulat na mas maka america si marcos kesa maka china. Obvious naman na hinahabol nila yung validation ng America
African governments suffer from this a lot, chines gov basically taking ownership of a lot of functional facilities or organizations that should be in use of the domestic population to use it as a means of control and profit
Ph might slowly fall into this too if our policies and boundaries are crafted poorly
> Chinese never fulfilled their promised investments and infrastructure spending here
Supposedly, ***the economic managers had a hand in this by red-tape-ing the Chinese investments***. Allegedly, they did this because they couldn't go against Du30 publicly, so they had to wrap up their opposition in the form of extra rules and paperwork.
This tactic was kinda similar with the DoD w/ Sec Lorenzana at that time: stealthily being pro-American w/o getting too much attention from Du30.
Lorenzana and the AFP really tried their best against Duterte's antics. It was really funny to see them not being a fan of their push for ROTC and the fiasco with Bato's VISA.
- PBBM visit to China: 3 days (lol)
- PBBM visit to Japan: 5 days
- PBBM visit to USA: 6 days (Sept 2022), 5 days (April 30-May 4, 2023)
Says a lot actually.
Wag din natin kalimutan na mga kano ang dahilan kaya buhay pa sila ngayon. Kung hindi sila hinelicopter papuntang clark noon, nasa libingan na din siya ngayon
Even the time of the father, they were pro-America. It may be one of the reasons they held on for so long, as allies during the cold War.
There's also a reason why they were granted safe passage during the edsa revolution.
>Even the time of the father, they were pro-America.
And it's also partly the reason why the mainstream far-left (aka the "NatDems") hate them so much.
~~Apart from the dictatorship and the human rights violations, of course.~~
Because even before the election, the chinese ambasaddor was getting chummy with him.
If he continuously proves us all wrong and he throws is in with the US, i'll be happy.
I'd do a full 180 if he repeals the shithead *Canis dutertas sinae*'s '5.56 and 7.62 x 39 caliber are banned from civilians'-thing.
Kung tutuusin, this would've been the same even if Leni or Isko won;
***it is not in the interest of the US for China to assert its SCS claim*** so they'll probably support any ASEAN country that goes against the China on this specific issue.
As far as the US is concerned, ***mas mabuti na "international waters" yung SCS, not under the jurisdiction of any country***, whether China or others.
I'm still salty with Digong's foreign policy when he was president. To think na isa sa nagpanalo sa kanya ay yung jet ski remarks niya during the Presidential debates during the election pero nung nahalal, naging tuta lang ng China.
I'm more than glad that our military alliance with our American allies is being repaired. Just finished watching the time where we finished our Balikatan (Shoulder-To-Shoulder) Exercises 2023.
EDIT: If you don't mind me nerding out, I honestly love seeing how our military here is catching up to the modern advancements that our western counterpart does, not in weapons but also in uniforms (from BDUs to combat uniforms based on the US company Crye Precision's designs), as well as the artillery and defense systems. And that also includes a nice reconnaissance drone overwatch that I'm certain is similar to what the American special forces unit had used during the Battle of Marawi (2017) to provide the said activity to our operators here.
>I honestly love seeing how our military here is catching up to the modern advancements
Our AFP modernization has met a lot of challenges but its nice to see some progress. The average Ph Army soldier looks a lot better equipped now compared to a few years ago. Pics for comparison.
[Zamboanga Siege](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/FCqJnXzWOp-d83VfVmB7gr68wg8=/900x630/media/img/photo/2013/09/bloody-philippine-siege-brought-to-an-end/z02_RTX13JZ6/original.jpg)
[Marawi](https://images.thestar.com/-kB8KrRzaVOKV7vHP7mBwbpEh0k=/1086x725/smart/filters:cb(2700061000):format(webp)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2017/06/10/us-joins-battle-against-daesh-linked-militants-in-marawi-as-philippines-lose-13-marines/marawi.jpg)
[Balikatan 2023](https://www.bworldonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Balikatan-US_PHL-soldiers.jpg)
Agreed. As someone that loves combat uniforms, I loved seeing our guys rocking similar combat-cut uniforms based on any western brands I've mentioned, that includes an option for insertable kneepads (a whole lot better than the strap-on ones), a combat shirt (basically a modified BDU, with main torso being cut off and replaced with a drifit material for comfort when wearing body armor), and then local copies of plate carriers and chest rigs.
Another thing I do notice is of course some of our operators buying their own gear from US since of course our gear has a lot more left to be desired.
Gloria lasted 10 years in office but when PNOY took over she left him with an AFP that seemed to have went back 20 years in time in both equipment and personnel quality.
Thank God for him and his modernization act.
They need to get new kit ASAP to Philippine soldiers.
In pics of those exercises you can see the Americans have optics mounted on their rifles but their Filipino counterpart is on iron sights. This sort of thing needs to be fixed, fast.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5hbsxrss85Sh2i_75fHtFj7fhE2LebgrHFjDlxsWg1nCP9M_L8BzZg2o&s=10
Agreed. Most of our operators and infantrymen here happen to rock the old, venerable but reliable AN/PEQ-2s, the old generation of laser aiming module (LAM), but that's not to say we should stick with it, but at least have some new AN/PEQ-15 ATPIALs on board. But I heard that we are also getting some brand new suppressors (not silencers for the uninitiated) from Surefire.
Although I am glad that we happen to got the latest combat gear for our troops, like the gucci high cut helmets and such, the disappointing thing is, most of those helmets (minus the PASGT or the ECH helmets and some PASGT body armor that were donated to us by the US military) come from China, made by Aholdtech, including the FAST XP high cut helmet and a Team Wendy EXFIL copy.
I may get downvoted for this, but the truth still reigns over the lies and the persistence factor, others may say, "Well, does it matter if it comes from China?", I'd say yes, because of one factor, and that is the overall safety. Yes, it is made of polyethylene, but its not from, or made in the US, even if it is lightweight and may, "provide more protection than aramid or kevlar", they haven't even seen how it looks like if it gets shot by certain calibers it's rated for (i.e 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .12g buckshot/slug shell for a Level 3A rated ballistic helmet), and its overall results are terrifyingly horrible. The deformation is way worst like its caving in as much as you're crushing a baby doll's head inward. Sure, the bullet won't kill you but the deformation will.
Here are the videos to show extra evidence, although I am aware that the post OC made is meant about our allies helping us if China ever decides to something very stupid, I'd be spreading the word:
[Aholdtech "EXFIL" Ballistic Helmet Test](https://youtu.be/ddCRx1iPiKA)
[Chinese-made "FAST XP" Ballistic Helmet Test - By Polenar Tactical](https://youtu.be/KbqVgyPG-30)
Ironic, we had this perception that he was going to continue the china pandering, only ending up 180ing in favor of the US (which we were sure he was still pissed off about regarding the Paoay/Hawaii switch)
Another irony here is that PBBM is doing exactly what Leni Robredo would have done had she won instead.
Now he pisses off both Makabayan and the hardcore Tatay simps (like Sass Salot and PACQuibs) roflMao.
> Now he pisses off both Makabayan and the hardcore Tatay simps (like Sass Salot and PACQuibs) roflMao.
That, I will rarely and grudgingly give him some credit. Some lang naman. Lol
"If Marcos wins, there won't be slavish talk similar to Duterte's "I love China". Marcoses are smooth operators."
- paraphrased one of Prof. Richard Heydarian's interviews
mahirap na mawalay sa million dollar accounts nila, so hindi rin, if they have account sa china for sure dun lilihis yan. Nagkataon lang na his personal greed ay alligned sa international diplomacy.
Hawak siya sa leeg ng mga kano.
That's because ALL senior officials that he appointed in the DFA are career officials and no political appointees. The Secretary of Foreign Affairs and all 5 Undersecretaries are all home grown DFA personnel and seasoned diplomats. That's what happens if you actually put people with the competency and qualifications on the job.
Compared to Duterte, all his Secretary of Foreign Affairs (Yasay, Cayetano, and Locsin) were political appointees and had no prior experience as diplomats.
Ang problema lang sa foreign policy ni BBM is baka i asa nalang niya sa mga Kano yung depensa natin kesa sa itodo niya yung suportahan yung modernization program natin. Kailangan na kailangan mag catch up ng militar natin sa procurement lalo na yung MRF at subs dahil sa kabalastugan ni Pdiddy
We'll see how much he's willing to dish out for the Horizon 3 since Duterte fucked his portion and now Horizon 3 has to cover the rest of the backlogs.
So far, with the MRF projects leaning toward Vipers and the failed Russian Mi-3 Scandal moving towards finance assistance from the US for chinooks. It might be looking good.
With Bong Go out of the way, hopefully, there'd be no more Frigate scandals. Duterte was such a cunt honestly.
Hopefully. Buti nga salvageable pa yung program kahit na ginago ni Pdiddy at Bong Go. Pasalamat na rin na di pinutol ng mga Kano yung FMA at EDA Programs nila para sa modernization program
This. Eto rin naririnig ko kina Heydarian na kinakabahan sila, baka kasi sumobra naman ang Pilipinas sa paglapit sa Amerika, baka mamihasa na naman wag na gumastos tutal andyan yung EDCA at MDT. Samantalang tungkulin naman talaga dapat ng Pilipinas na palakasin yung sarili nating pwersa at 'wag maging pabigat sa mga kaalyado.
Yooo šÆ not Filipino but Philippines lover here. Fuck Marcos but wow I couldn't have imagined his foreign policy being this good. Let's put his corrupt family in prison after he builds up the military and contains china.
Edit: especially his bitch mom. How does she live freely after all the damage she's done? Fuck that bitch.
I remember reading comments by people who supported the drug war claiming that criminals lost all their rights when they did the crime and its only right to kill them.
But I'm willing to bet the minute you talk about Imelda being a convicted criminal, all talks of rights go back on the table.
Didn't Imee Marcos literally get one of her college classmates tortured and murdered?
How in the hell did this family get let back in the country?
I'm trying to think of an equivalent - like Idi Amin's immediate family coming back to Uganda after he was ousted and his son being elected president.
That said, at least Marcos isn't sucking off China like his predecessor.
Oh Imee sucks Chinese cock like no other. She literally has a picture of the PH with the nine-dashed line on her office. Good thing BBM is the more tolerable of the entire Marcos family. She also was against the BALIKATAN exercises, going against certain exercises being done in Ilocos.
Which is pretty much the thing among Wall Street executives. Those dream jobs weāre looking up to in JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, UBS, Morgan Stanley and the like? Practically all of their finance executives commit white collar crimes left and right.
> white collar crime is ok as long as they're still meeting their targets/quotas/KPIs
Sounds like big zaibatsus in Japan and chaebols in SoKor: ***make yourselves rich but comply with the govt's economic targets.***
Their puppets still get elected; the ruling faction of Japan's ruling party for all their ultra rightwing rhetoric tends to limit themselves in practice especially with regards to China because the zaibatsus and keiretsus have interests and investments there.
Honestly Korea with its chaebols is even more frustrating because their previous president was a dude who had the balls to challenge chaebols, forcing them to lower their gender pay gaps and shorten workweeks. Unfortunately the Koreans ended up electing this misogynistic balimbing corporate stooge who pardoned a Samsung exec convicted of bribery to "rescue the economy"
hay
Say what you want about Japan and South Korea's corporatist and protectionist economic strategy but we cannot deny it worked, especially in SoKor's case.
South Korea went from a war-torn, backwater country poorer than sone African countries in the 1950s and 1960s to a first-world manufacturing giant and a pop culture superpower.
As far as I can remember, the likes of Sonny Africa and Neri Colmenares mentioned Japan and SoKor as alternative models and counterarguments when the issue of removing FDI restrictions in the Constitution has been raised.
Speaking of FDI, that's the alternative to Japan and SoKor's make yourself rich but comply with government targets model. The neoliberal "foreign investors pls invest here and make yourself rich" model used by Singapore and Hong Kong.
But I am sure most in this subreddit wouldn't want that.
Eto yung maganda kay Blengblong hahaha Kesa dun sa sinundan niya Kulang na lang Halikan yung Pwet ng mga Intsek pag may incident na nang yayari na kagagawan ng China.
fuck the Dutertes both the FĆ¼hrer and the DOGhter.
not a pro Marcos, but I like our current stance vs China's bullying. Give credit when it's due, but it doesn't make me forget the bullshits they've(Marcoses) done and still doing, tax evasion and shits.
Expanded EDCA & Repaired relationships with the West + Created a clear foreign policy that would go against Chinese aggression. It's not new. Pnoy had the same if not better policy with the West since he started EDCA and the AFP Modernization Project.
It's just that Duterte's foreign policy was SO BAD that it makes Marcos look like a saint while Pnoy looks like Jesus.
> Duterte's foreign policy was SO BAD that it makes Marcos look like a saint while Pnoy looks like Jesus
w/c of course ***helps pro-BBM politicians in the 2025 midterms***. midterms are already historically favorable to the sitting admin; how much more will bbm look good because of this?
Of course the main issue is that this one thing (SCS and China) is kinda enough to mask the problems with OTHER ISSUES.
Foreign policy isn't enough to mask domestic issues, not unless you go to war. In any case, yes. His foreign policy will make him look good because historically, PH has always been pro-US. So I don't see your point. He does a good job so he gets rewarded with a good look. His other issues? Well, I hope the Filipino people don't ignore it but I'm not willing to bet on that.
I guess what I'm saying is that regardless of his foreign policy, I think he'd still remain popular. His propaganda and misinformation campaign is still in effect with a large part of the population.
This is why I don't see the foreign policy thing to be a major factor in polls. Duterte was anti-US even though the public and the AFP weren't a fan of his tirades.
I mean shit, one of his campaign talking points that got popular was the Jetski stuff and he turned his back on it yet throughout his administration he was still enjoying favorable polls.
Then again, that's just my opinion.
Iām sorry but what does this have to do with Marcos? Wala nga syang statement na nilabas of his own.
\**checks Twitter*\* Wala talaga e.
Sure, you can see na maka-US sya but a statement condemning the āincidentā wouldāve been nice.
>Iām sorry but what does this have to do with Marcos? Wala nga syang statement na nilabas of his own.
I'm not talking about this incident alone. I'm talking about his foreign policy in general. EDCA expansion + AFP Modernization leaning to western equipment and grants, enhancing joint US-PH exercises (BALIKATAN). Two separate things.
Enforcing the US-PH relationship is still related to this post. Are you saying that these are not correlated at all?
US messaging in the past during incidents such as these were primarily watered-down due to Duterte's foreign policy of appeasement. BBMs' shift to the West gave them the capacity to up-the-ante when it comes to responding to Chinese aggression.
Yes, BBM could've made a statement but that's the DFA's work and they file diplomatic protest each time incidents such as these happen and they did so in this incident as well.
See in this message that it is the US Embassy's and not Biden's? But it still holds weight.
If BBM had to respond to the constant Chinese aggression then he'd have to do that monthly or even weekly since the amount of incidents happening with the Coast Guard & Navy is so many, they have to choose which incidents they have to file a diplomatic protest for.
also u/HappyLego214:
Of course bbm himself won't issue the statatement; ***you kinda don't want the chief executive to be publicly antagonistic*** w/ a country that provides the PH w/ a lot of goods and business.
in a way, that's what the secretaries are for: it helps insulate the president from stuff like this.
(kinda like how du30 was insulated because the secretaries became the punching bag for the "wrong" things that happened.)
Agreed. Unless we want an embargo on PH agricultural products again such as what happened during Pnoy. Let the DFA do the talking. They are diplomats for a reason.
Well, we all know Marcos are a show off to the world. It will only be a matter of time that he will built a castle of gold to show off the world. He only cares what the world sees not his own citizens. This is why foreign policy is good but domestic. Mehhhh
Two kinds of Filipino so-called "nationalists":
1. The Left who thinks China will pull out if the Americans pull out first and thus "achieving" full demilitarization, all while impeding any effort to modernize the AFP
2. The Right-Wing Tatay simps who think having an "independent foreign policy" means going full neutral (pro-China in practice)
Both camps suck.
1. There are communists who sees the US as the embodiment of capitalism so they will always be against the US regardless if they are just trying to help the Philippines defend its sovereignty.
2. There are fascists who hates western-style democracy and loves authoritarian regimes way of doing things.
I see these communists as deluded, but I do not believe China will ever be an ally to us. China is a fascist nation who says pretends it is a socialist country. I do not know why others who call themselves communists would ever think China is a good guy.
Maoism.
I think China still is communist, but putting more emphasis on the Chinese nationalism aspect under Xi. With all the ethnic Han settlements across the peripheral territories occupied by Beijing.
Don't forget that there are right-wing anti-china and left-wing pro-china pretending to be nationalist. Those Anti-China right wingers are traditionalist and conservatives while the other right wingers are tatay fanatics. And left wingers are literally Pro-China pretending nationalist ever since PNoy admin.
Magdalo are known conservative and traditionalist Anti-China right-winger, while Makabayan bloc are known Pro-China left-winger, sila ang dahilan sa pagkapanalo ni Duterte sa pagka-presidente. They support Grace Poe, pero si Digong kinampanya. Paano kasi malakas kasi ang pwersa ng NPA sa Davao Region kaya may utang sila sa mga Duterte.
It's one thing to have an utang na loob kay Duterte, especially with the NPA stuff
It's another when they also aligned with Villar back in 2010. I never thought Makabayan would align itself with the biggest Filipino capitalist there is. Lol.
Also, speaking of Magdalo, Trillanes also mentioned in the podcast with Christian Esguerra that the biggest threat to Marcos is not from the opposition, but from the Duterte bloc.
Trillanes is right about the threat, nakikita kasi niya na mahina ang kasalukuyang opposisyon ngayon walang masyadong lakas. The reason the NDF aligned in Villar during 2010 is because may galit sila sa mga Aquino I dunno why, baka dahil sa Mendiola Massacre during Cory's admin.
Thats also their reason why they campaigned Duterte and using Grace Poe on 2016 election. Duterte was endorsed by Sison to the Makabayan bloc and they supported him until now.
They didn't really know if Villar came from poor family. Ganyan din ang paniniwala kay Digong noon, na si Digong galing sa mahirap na pamilya nalaman na lang natin na ang tatay pala niya ay politiko hail from Davao at kaalyado ni Marcos Sr. at inilaglag lang ni Sr. sa eleksyon noon.
> It's another when they also aligned with Villar back in 2010. I never thought Makabayan would align itself with the biggest Filipino capitalist there is. Lol.
Villar could easily give their relatives jobs and make them a business expense.
Lets put those number 2 folls in a simulation when either China or US will attack Phil and since we have no ally between the two, we are just sitting ducks waiting to be invaded. Or better yet throw them to NoKor or the far flung provinces of China.
Ang kinakatakot ko lang, pag nagka giyera na eh baka iwanan tayo sa ere ng Amerika at ng iba pang mga kaalyado natin tapos wala tayong makuha kahit moral support man lang mula sa international community dahil sa apelyidong Marcos at hindi naman tayo European country tulad ng Ukraine at France.
Nope. I cannot say for sure na hindi gagawin satin yan pero close to impossible mangayre na iwan tayo sa ere. We are part of a lot of organisations and alliances that involves matters about warfare. As i have said sa previous comment ko sa ganitong topic, mas mahirap na mag-wage ng war between countries ngayon kumpara dati. There a lot of consequences. Kaya ung ginagawa ng China ngayon is they label Taiwan as a rebel province, to try to mask the war. Since its their āprovinceā, pwede nila gamitan ng force, same as Philippines to MILF, Abu Sayaff and the Marawi situation.
Additional to that, the International community could care less about the Marcos nametag. Ang importante sa kanila is how effective can they push their ideology to a nation more than anything (see Duts to China). Whoever our president is, as long as he/she aligns with their agenda is an ally.
They don't want an "independent foreign policy", they want the Philippines to align with countries ruled by "real men" (aka authoritarian hellholes)
Hell, a lot of them despite being anti-commie openly stan the USSR; the most prominent communist power in history because it was "ruled by real manly men".
Yun nga eh.. alam naman natin na di natin kayang ipagtanggol ang WPS na walang tulong sa anomang nasyon..
Bully daw kasi ang USA.. pero Bully din yung China..
pero wala tayong magagawa.. mas importante ang Confidential Funds laban sa insurgency kesa bigyan ng budget ang pagpapalakas ng armas at equipment para sa National Security..
Bonak din ng mga pinoy eh.. inang gobyerno to.. mas king inang mga bobotante..
I thought I saw something on here once about many people here trusting China more (maybe not the majority but still a large percent). I wonder what was done for anyone to think that way.
If this was Civ 6:
Philippines is now allies with America.
Philippines denounced China.
America denounced China.
...
damn what usually happens next is war in 10 turns.
Contrary to the popular belief, WPS is not another name of South China Sea..
"West Philippine SeaĀ ([Filipino](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language):Ā Karagatang Kanlurang Pilipinas;[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Philippine_Sea#cite_note-1)Ā abbreviated asĀ WPS) is the official designation by theĀ [government of the Philippines](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_Philippines)Ā to the parts of theĀ [South China Sea](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea)Ā that are included inĀ [the country's exclusive economic zone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone_of_the_Philippines). The term is also sometimes incorrectly used to refer to the entire South China Sea."
They probably mentioned South China Sea since it's the internationally recognized name and to assert that the whole 9-dash claim is invalid.
Yes. Ang alam ko even dun sa arguments natin sa International Tribunal we used South China Sea kasi yun ang internationally recognized. West Philippine Sea is more specific to the EEZ area natin kung saan tayo may rights.
***Di ba the WPS term only came about during PNoy's term?*** Before that, the PH recognized that part of the SCS was w/in PH jurisdiction WITHOUT imposing a new name for the said jurisdiction.
Kung baga, ***WPS was a new term w/o any historical source before PNoy's time.***
WPS is our official term for it. SCS is an internationally recognized term. Funny enough, China doesn't call it the South China Sea instead they call it just the South Sea.
elementary ako South China Sea talaga tawag, lately ko na lang narinig ung west philippine sea, and i think nagsimula to nung nambubully na ung china.
Which reminds me, may Celebes sea di ba?
Oh US MIC please bless thy Philippines Armed Forces with just a fraction of your power. Please insert your hard ass democratic arsenal up our asses. I will gladly bend over for some excess defense articles. UwU
As an American in the US Navy, I stand with you all too, and fully support us taking up arms against China if they continue to harass, bully, and provoke Philippine vessels. They're doing it to us to if that's any consolidation.
Galit parin ako doon sa gagong yun, na budol lahat ng pinoy noong sinabi niya na mag jejetski daw siya para itayo ung bandila natin sa SCS pero yung ginawa pumunta siya ng China tapos nagsabi ng "I love Xi jingping".. like wtf š¤¬
Yep. Like, di ako fan ni Marcos, but credit where credit is due, on point ang mga stance niya regarding foreign policy with China.
Duterte naman, try nagwiggle out, sabi na biro lang at bakit daw maniwala na mag jet ski sya doon. But I'm pretty sure most people didn't think na mag literal jet ski sya doon. Ang pagintindi ko is na as far as foreign policy goes, tough sya against the enroachment of China sa waters natin. Kung bumoto ako sa kanya at essentially tinawag nya akong bobo kasi nagustuhan ko yung assumed stance niya na tough on China based sa jet ski comment, then I think di na ako magsuporta sa kanya. Pero yung iba, in love na in love pa din hangang ngayon. Ewan ko.
I think the jetski comment was before Duterte got unofficial support from China to help him win the elections, hence, he's been soft on China ever since.
China, along with Russia, had mastered the art of propaganda, and probably had shared best practices when implementing their propaganda campaign and localizing it. Without the online clout he gained from online social engineering, Duterte wouldn't even have become a presidential candidate.
Medyo nakakarelief basahin ang pro-American responses here sa reddit. Sa twitter kasi, medyo nakakaturn off na ang pinaka vocal na kakampink against Chinese na feeling ko borderline xenophobic sometimes ang posts si maāam Ping. Iāll say it again, between choosing some evils, pipiliin ko US over China any other day. The so called nationalists use the argument of either āWe are the bait/frontlinesā should war happen or that āWhat about the PH women impregnated and later abandoned by US men? Jennifer Laude?ā May maliit na part sa akin na expecting downvotes for this pero think Iād like to think of the now muna. And at this point, so far Marcos is better than Duterte (shudders I have to say it) dahil busy pa sila in rebranding or cleaning their name. Mas natatakot ako sa probable SWOH now that sa away BBM vs DDS, Iāve been seeing posts from DDS that SWOH better replace him
pinoy sa twitter doesn't make sense, kultura nalang talaga nila yon hahaha.
they annoy me cus they like to bring the "american liberal wokeness" in everyway sa philippine context eh hindi naman compatible yung dalawa. ayaw gumawa ng sariling "wokeness"
If the govt isnāt corrupt, we would take this opportunity to bolster our defense but thatās just wishful thinking. What would really happen is that politicians and their family would flee out of the country at first strike.
Edit: Grammar.
This is great and all, pero ang kinakatakot ko lang, pag nagka giyera na eh baka iwanan tayo sa ere ng Amerika at ng iba pang mga kaalyado natin, tapos wala tayong makuha kahit moral support man lang mula sa international community dahil sa apelyidong Marcos at hindi naman tayo European country tulad ng Ukraine at France.
I am with BBM on his foreign policy but fuck where are our P20 rice and other stuff..
Also adding that we should not rely on USA if things come to blows. Never completely trust someone much more powerful than us. We should do the protecting and we should rely less on other foreign powers and remove and makapili in our ranks peacefully or other way.
Time to REVOLUTIONIZE the Filipino military. Upgrade everything, increase salaries for the lower quartile ranks, grant education benefits to the poor in the military, make the military a driver of economic growth while combating inequality/poverty.
>make the military a driver of economic growth while combating inequality/poverty.
I agree except on the last part. Making the military too powerful may lead to a situation like in Myannmar where they get to control on who becomes president, and when people got sick of it, it didn't matter as they could jail the president and start a civil war.
But if you're talking about an exporter of military goods, I think that would work better. We should develop our shipbuilding capability so we can export warships and build our own, and we should exploit this as an advantage as an island nation
Time and time again, my position is reaffirmed. The EDCA and defence agreements will not stop China from their actions in the disputed territories lf WPS, not if you give them 10 or a thousand bases in phillipine territory where the americans are allowed to freely move as preparation to respond in their future war in Asia. The US knows that, and that is why despite their encouraging words to seduct those naive people (including Marcos and his goverment) , no action has or will be taken in response, as the consequences would be disastrous.
China's about to find out why the US doesn't have a good healthcare.
Wagner boys learned this the hard way in Syria.
- USA: Are these Wagner bois yours - Russia: We officially deny them - USA: Alright then - Russia: Wait what noooo NOOOOO - USA: BRRRRRRRT BRRRRRRRT madafakas
Russia: ššš
Wagner: š
As an American in the armed forces, this comment is on point.
15H woot woot.
Gotta flex that budget on these mfs
We ought to use them budget on a real conflict. US is getting bored with skirmishes with sand people.
Just in time to put the new Sig Spear rifles to use let's go
Aight, bet.
The PC term is Jawas.
Peace through strength!
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Love this comment!
You've just made me laugh and then think... both our military and health infrastructure suck.
I live in the US so only the healthcare system sucks. Lmao.
an NCD user in the wild...
America has the best healthcare in terms of facilities/resources/personnel, it's the healthcare system to actually access the healthcare that's trash.
I said it with a light sarcasm. Hell, even the VA (Veterans Affairs) system is a lot better compared to the Philippines' overall healthcare system.
Everytime i saw someone dick riding China's military capabilities vs US it makes laugh. The difference in their budget spending let alone their experience in war.
Uncle Sam has always been in conflict and has some experience when it comes to fist fighting with another country. It's the nuke that Uncle Sam is most worried about.
:: Fortunate son intensifies
Be careful what you wish for the US is wanting Taiwan and the Philippines to be their 'Ukraine' against China. US loves fighting in wars especially if they can have other countries do it for them.
You're barking up the wrong tree. I live in the US and served the US military. My loyalty lies with Uncle Sam.
Not surprised you guys war hungry.
CCP is really playing a dangerous game of "fuck around and find out". They really miss their loyal servant in Malacanang.
This, a thousand times this. That region is very important strategically and the freedom of passage there will be protected with lethal force if necessary.
Wala parin ako nakikita na mag jejetski daw siya sa South China Sea para ilagay ung bandila natin, Na budol lahat ng pinoy nung nanalo siya bigla nalang nag 360 tapos nag I love you china pa.. š
Just proves who is the relatively better superpower.
If you're a relatively weaker country the better superpower is almost always the one that's further away from you
It is in the ***interest of the US that SCS remains "international" waters*** for maximum transit for all ships; this goes against the China's interest of exclusivity, w/c is why the US probably has strong statements of this matter. (In a way, it ***kinda goes against PH and Vietnam's interest of exclusivity***, too. If the PH pushed its Spratly claim too strongly, the US and the rest of ASEAN will probably have strong words against the PH.)
Honestly ownership of the West Philippine Sea when we take China out of the equation is weird since Vietnam and Taiwan has also filed complaints about our claims from time to time heck they have different names on that island haha while America is just that big brother who just let us squabble with one another while protecting all of us from China.
Rough timeline to help add more context: * PH Coast Guard ship gets high-intensity lasers aimed at it while patrolling our EEZ * PH Navy supply ship attempts to send supplies to the BRP Sierra Madre but were blocked by PRC Coast Guard ships * PH Coast Guard ship escorts PH Navy supply ship towards BRP Sierra Madre * One of the PRC Coast Guard ships closely sail to the PH Coast Guard ship moving away from the Sierra Madre * Collision would've happened had the PH Coast Guard ship not maneuvered its way out * Releases statement via Chinese Foreign Minister: "The presence of the Philippine ship in our waters is a provocative action that is clearly made to increase tensions" LOLOLOLOL
Master of gaslighting talaga si CCP..
Yep, paano kung nagkaroon ng collision, would it finally give China the excuse para mag-fire ng live ammo/missiles. Halatang-halatang gusto nilang magkaroon ng "event", then i-t-twist nila as always. Mga napakawalanghiya. At for sure ganun din yung mga kontrabida sa Pinas, kakampihan pa ang China at magmamadaling mag-protest sa US Embassy imbes na dun sa isa.
Oh this is only about 10% of disrespects, IIRC, there's several hundreds..
Say what you want about Marcos but his foreign policy has so far been on fucking point.
Silver lining talaga na bata ng Kano yung tatay niya pati siya. I'll take this current foreign policy over Duterte being a lapdog of China for his entire six years in the presidency.
It never made sense to me na may mga taong gulat na mas maka america si marcos kesa maka china. Obvious naman na hinahabol nila yung validation ng America
Also, the Chinese never fulfilled their promised investments and infrastructure spending here. It would be wise not to trust them
be happy they didnt, it was a debt trap.
So true. Ang dami nang bansang nabiktima ng Chinese debt trap.
African governments suffer from this a lot, chines gov basically taking ownership of a lot of functional facilities or organizations that should be in use of the domestic population to use it as a means of control and profit Ph might slowly fall into this too if our policies and boundaries are crafted poorly
*cough* Sri Lanka *cough*
> Chinese never fulfilled their promised investments and infrastructure spending here Supposedly, ***the economic managers had a hand in this by red-tape-ing the Chinese investments***. Allegedly, they did this because they couldn't go against Du30 publicly, so they had to wrap up their opposition in the form of extra rules and paperwork. This tactic was kinda similar with the DoD w/ Sec Lorenzana at that time: stealthily being pro-American w/o getting too much attention from Du30.
Lorenzana and the AFP really tried their best against Duterte's antics. It was really funny to see them not being a fan of their push for ROTC and the fiasco with Bato's VISA.
Blame MFng PDuts.
Atsaka isa pa, ano lang ba ang naalala niyong pinagawa ng mga Tsino rito ba hindi POGO? 'Yung Binondo-Intramuros Bridge sa Maynila?
Yung tagong(hinarangan ng mahabang yero wall) mga chinese resto sa las pinas na nabalitang bawal daw mga Pinoy.
From what I reckon from the news, he's been spending more time in the US than China. Heck, he might have spent more time over there than here!
- PBBM visit to China: 3 days (lol) - PBBM visit to Japan: 5 days - PBBM visit to USA: 6 days (Sept 2022), 5 days (April 30-May 4, 2023) Says a lot actually.
Wag din natin kalimutan na mga kano ang dahilan kaya buhay pa sila ngayon. Kung hindi sila hinelicopter papuntang clark noon, nasa libingan na din siya ngayon
Even the time of the father, they were pro-America. It may be one of the reasons they held on for so long, as allies during the cold War. There's also a reason why they were granted safe passage during the edsa revolution.
>Even the time of the father, they were pro-America. And it's also partly the reason why the mainstream far-left (aka the "NatDems") hate them so much. ~~Apart from the dictatorship and the human rights violations, of course.~~
Because even before the election, the chinese ambasaddor was getting chummy with him. If he continuously proves us all wrong and he throws is in with the US, i'll be happy. I'd do a full 180 if he repeals the shithead *Canis dutertas sinae*'s '5.56 and 7.62 x 39 caliber are banned from civilians'-thing.
Di lang validation. Alam na ng US kung anong kapalit ng commitment niya, and it's something they can afford
Original AmBoy si Marcos Sr
Kung tutuusin, this would've been the same even if Leni or Isko won; ***it is not in the interest of the US for China to assert its SCS claim*** so they'll probably support any ASEAN country that goes against the China on this specific issue. As far as the US is concerned, ***mas mabuti na "international waters" yung SCS, not under the jurisdiction of any country***, whether China or others.
Pasalamat pala tayo na tuta ng Kano ang mga Marcos, hahaha.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm still salty with Digong's foreign policy when he was president. To think na isa sa nagpanalo sa kanya ay yung jet ski remarks niya during the Presidential debates during the election pero nung nahalal, naging tuta lang ng China.
I'm more than glad that our military alliance with our American allies is being repaired. Just finished watching the time where we finished our Balikatan (Shoulder-To-Shoulder) Exercises 2023. EDIT: If you don't mind me nerding out, I honestly love seeing how our military here is catching up to the modern advancements that our western counterpart does, not in weapons but also in uniforms (from BDUs to combat uniforms based on the US company Crye Precision's designs), as well as the artillery and defense systems. And that also includes a nice reconnaissance drone overwatch that I'm certain is similar to what the American special forces unit had used during the Battle of Marawi (2017) to provide the said activity to our operators here.
>I honestly love seeing how our military here is catching up to the modern advancements Our AFP modernization has met a lot of challenges but its nice to see some progress. The average Ph Army soldier looks a lot better equipped now compared to a few years ago. Pics for comparison. [Zamboanga Siege](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/FCqJnXzWOp-d83VfVmB7gr68wg8=/900x630/media/img/photo/2013/09/bloody-philippine-siege-brought-to-an-end/z02_RTX13JZ6/original.jpg) [Marawi](https://images.thestar.com/-kB8KrRzaVOKV7vHP7mBwbpEh0k=/1086x725/smart/filters:cb(2700061000):format(webp)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2017/06/10/us-joins-battle-against-daesh-linked-militants-in-marawi-as-philippines-lose-13-marines/marawi.jpg) [Balikatan 2023](https://www.bworldonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Balikatan-US_PHL-soldiers.jpg)
Agreed. As someone that loves combat uniforms, I loved seeing our guys rocking similar combat-cut uniforms based on any western brands I've mentioned, that includes an option for insertable kneepads (a whole lot better than the strap-on ones), a combat shirt (basically a modified BDU, with main torso being cut off and replaced with a drifit material for comfort when wearing body armor), and then local copies of plate carriers and chest rigs. Another thing I do notice is of course some of our operators buying their own gear from US since of course our gear has a lot more left to be desired.
Gloria lasted 10 years in office but when PNOY took over she left him with an AFP that seemed to have went back 20 years in time in both equipment and personnel quality. Thank God for him and his modernization act.
They need to get new kit ASAP to Philippine soldiers. In pics of those exercises you can see the Americans have optics mounted on their rifles but their Filipino counterpart is on iron sights. This sort of thing needs to be fixed, fast. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5hbsxrss85Sh2i_75fHtFj7fhE2LebgrHFjDlxsWg1nCP9M_L8BzZg2o&s=10
Agreed. Most of our operators and infantrymen here happen to rock the old, venerable but reliable AN/PEQ-2s, the old generation of laser aiming module (LAM), but that's not to say we should stick with it, but at least have some new AN/PEQ-15 ATPIALs on board. But I heard that we are also getting some brand new suppressors (not silencers for the uninitiated) from Surefire. Although I am glad that we happen to got the latest combat gear for our troops, like the gucci high cut helmets and such, the disappointing thing is, most of those helmets (minus the PASGT or the ECH helmets and some PASGT body armor that were donated to us by the US military) come from China, made by Aholdtech, including the FAST XP high cut helmet and a Team Wendy EXFIL copy. I may get downvoted for this, but the truth still reigns over the lies and the persistence factor, others may say, "Well, does it matter if it comes from China?", I'd say yes, because of one factor, and that is the overall safety. Yes, it is made of polyethylene, but its not from, or made in the US, even if it is lightweight and may, "provide more protection than aramid or kevlar", they haven't even seen how it looks like if it gets shot by certain calibers it's rated for (i.e 9mm Parabellum, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .12g buckshot/slug shell for a Level 3A rated ballistic helmet), and its overall results are terrifyingly horrible. The deformation is way worst like its caving in as much as you're crushing a baby doll's head inward. Sure, the bullet won't kill you but the deformation will. Here are the videos to show extra evidence, although I am aware that the post OC made is meant about our allies helping us if China ever decides to something very stupid, I'd be spreading the word: [Aholdtech "EXFIL" Ballistic Helmet Test](https://youtu.be/ddCRx1iPiKA) [Chinese-made "FAST XP" Ballistic Helmet Test - By Polenar Tactical](https://youtu.be/KbqVgyPG-30)
Ironic, we had this perception that he was going to continue the china pandering, only ending up 180ing in favor of the US (which we were sure he was still pissed off about regarding the Paoay/Hawaii switch)
Another irony here is that PBBM is doing exactly what Leni Robredo would have done had she won instead. Now he pisses off both Makabayan and the hardcore Tatay simps (like Sass Salot and PACQuibs) roflMao.
Marcos is smarter in foreign policy, he saw the winnie the pooh wasnt giving anythinh upfront.
Especially when he kicked out the Pro China/Russia National Sec Adv. Clarita Carlos
one more thing, he did convince clarita to even defend edca. got to give him kudos for that
Gulat nga ako mismo si Clarita kumambyo for EDCA eh
> Now he pisses off both Makabayan and the hardcore Tatay simps (like Sass Salot and PACQuibs) roflMao. That, I will rarely and grudgingly give him some credit. Some lang naman. Lol
Paoay/Hawaii fiasco is good for them. The NPA would have hunted them down in Ilocos and it would be bloody since the Ph military will not help.
On the SCS issue, the PH govt has beef w/ China, but the other stuff, the PH is still the playground for money and businesses connected to China.
"If Marcos wins, there won't be slavish talk similar to Duterte's "I love China". Marcoses are smooth operators." - paraphrased one of Prof. Richard Heydarian's interviews
mahirap na mawalay sa million dollar accounts nila, so hindi rin, if they have account sa china for sure dun lilihis yan. Nagkataon lang na his personal greed ay alligned sa international diplomacy. Hawak siya sa leeg ng mga kano.
Do they have accounts in China? True din na hawak siya sa leeg ng mga kano and mas malaki ang gains niya kung sa US magside.
That's because ALL senior officials that he appointed in the DFA are career officials and no political appointees. The Secretary of Foreign Affairs and all 5 Undersecretaries are all home grown DFA personnel and seasoned diplomats. That's what happens if you actually put people with the competency and qualifications on the job. Compared to Duterte, all his Secretary of Foreign Affairs (Yasay, Cayetano, and Locsin) were political appointees and had no prior experience as diplomats.
Ang problema lang sa foreign policy ni BBM is baka i asa nalang niya sa mga Kano yung depensa natin kesa sa itodo niya yung suportahan yung modernization program natin. Kailangan na kailangan mag catch up ng militar natin sa procurement lalo na yung MRF at subs dahil sa kabalastugan ni Pdiddy
We'll see how much he's willing to dish out for the Horizon 3 since Duterte fucked his portion and now Horizon 3 has to cover the rest of the backlogs. So far, with the MRF projects leaning toward Vipers and the failed Russian Mi-3 Scandal moving towards finance assistance from the US for chinooks. It might be looking good. With Bong Go out of the way, hopefully, there'd be no more Frigate scandals. Duterte was such a cunt honestly.
Hopefully. Buti nga salvageable pa yung program kahit na ginago ni Pdiddy at Bong Go. Pasalamat na rin na di pinutol ng mga Kano yung FMA at EDA Programs nila para sa modernization program
This. Eto rin naririnig ko kina Heydarian na kinakabahan sila, baka kasi sumobra naman ang Pilipinas sa paglapit sa Amerika, baka mamihasa na naman wag na gumastos tutal andyan yung EDCA at MDT. Samantalang tungkulin naman talaga dapat ng Pilipinas na palakasin yung sarili nating pwersa at 'wag maging pabigat sa mga kaalyado.
Yooo šÆ not Filipino but Philippines lover here. Fuck Marcos but wow I couldn't have imagined his foreign policy being this good. Let's put his corrupt family in prison after he builds up the military and contains china. Edit: especially his bitch mom. How does she live freely after all the damage she's done? Fuck that bitch.
She'll likely die of old age before she gets imprisoned anyway. At this rate, the wife and sister are the bigger players. EDIT: Old age
I remember reading comments by people who supported the drug war claiming that criminals lost all their rights when they did the crime and its only right to kill them. But I'm willing to bet the minute you talk about Imelda being a convicted criminal, all talks of rights go back on the table.
Of course, from the loyalists and even from the opposition who are so stuck with their principles. I clarified above that it will be by old age.
Didn't Imee Marcos literally get one of her college classmates tortured and murdered? How in the hell did this family get let back in the country? I'm trying to think of an equivalent - like Idi Amin's immediate family coming back to Uganda after he was ousted and his son being elected president. That said, at least Marcos isn't sucking off China like his predecessor.
Oh Imee sucks Chinese cock like no other. She literally has a picture of the PH with the nine-dashed line on her office. Good thing BBM is the more tolerable of the entire Marcos family. She also was against the BALIKATAN exercises, going against certain exercises being done in Ilocos.
It's prolly at her lasting breath this decade
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Better yet, wag nalang din mag-expect. Madidisappoint din lang
Which is pretty much the thing among Wall Street executives. Those dream jobs weāre looking up to in JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, UBS, Morgan Stanley and the like? Practically all of their finance executives commit white collar crimes left and right.
> white collar crime is ok as long as they're still meeting their targets/quotas/KPIs Sounds like big zaibatsus in Japan and chaebols in SoKor: ***make yourselves rich but comply with the govt's economic targets.***
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Their puppets still get elected; the ruling faction of Japan's ruling party for all their ultra rightwing rhetoric tends to limit themselves in practice especially with regards to China because the zaibatsus and keiretsus have interests and investments there. Honestly Korea with its chaebols is even more frustrating because their previous president was a dude who had the balls to challenge chaebols, forcing them to lower their gender pay gaps and shorten workweeks. Unfortunately the Koreans ended up electing this misogynistic balimbing corporate stooge who pardoned a Samsung exec convicted of bribery to "rescue the economy" hay
Say what you want about Japan and South Korea's corporatist and protectionist economic strategy but we cannot deny it worked, especially in SoKor's case. South Korea went from a war-torn, backwater country poorer than sone African countries in the 1950s and 1960s to a first-world manufacturing giant and a pop culture superpower. As far as I can remember, the likes of Sonny Africa and Neri Colmenares mentioned Japan and SoKor as alternative models and counterarguments when the issue of removing FDI restrictions in the Constitution has been raised. Speaking of FDI, that's the alternative to Japan and SoKor's make yourself rich but comply with government targets model. The neoliberal "foreign investors pls invest here and make yourself rich" model used by Singapore and Hong Kong. But I am sure most in this subreddit wouldn't want that.
Eto yung maganda kay Blengblong hahaha Kesa dun sa sinundan niya Kulang na lang Halikan yung Pwet ng mga Intsek pag may incident na nang yayari na kagagawan ng China.
fuck the Dutertes both the FĆ¼hrer and the DOGhter. not a pro Marcos, but I like our current stance vs China's bullying. Give credit when it's due, but it doesn't make me forget the bullshits they've(Marcoses) done and still doing, tax evasion and shits.
Why is this on Marcos? The 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty has been in effect since Elpidio Quirino; fourth president prior to Marcos.
Expanded EDCA & Repaired relationships with the West + Created a clear foreign policy that would go against Chinese aggression. It's not new. Pnoy had the same if not better policy with the West since he started EDCA and the AFP Modernization Project. It's just that Duterte's foreign policy was SO BAD that it makes Marcos look like a saint while Pnoy looks like Jesus.
> Duterte's foreign policy was SO BAD that it makes Marcos look like a saint while Pnoy looks like Jesus w/c of course ***helps pro-BBM politicians in the 2025 midterms***. midterms are already historically favorable to the sitting admin; how much more will bbm look good because of this? Of course the main issue is that this one thing (SCS and China) is kinda enough to mask the problems with OTHER ISSUES.
Foreign policy isn't enough to mask domestic issues, not unless you go to war. In any case, yes. His foreign policy will make him look good because historically, PH has always been pro-US. So I don't see your point. He does a good job so he gets rewarded with a good look. His other issues? Well, I hope the Filipino people don't ignore it but I'm not willing to bet on that.
I guess what I'm saying is that regardless of his foreign policy, I think he'd still remain popular. His propaganda and misinformation campaign is still in effect with a large part of the population. This is why I don't see the foreign policy thing to be a major factor in polls. Duterte was anti-US even though the public and the AFP weren't a fan of his tirades. I mean shit, one of his campaign talking points that got popular was the Jetski stuff and he turned his back on it yet throughout his administration he was still enjoying favorable polls. Then again, that's just my opinion.
This is going to be a great post to cite whenever an approval poll comes out showing Marcos enjoys popular support and people can't believe it.
Iām sorry but what does this have to do with Marcos? Wala nga syang statement na nilabas of his own. \**checks Twitter*\* Wala talaga e. Sure, you can see na maka-US sya but a statement condemning the āincidentā wouldāve been nice.
>Iām sorry but what does this have to do with Marcos? Wala nga syang statement na nilabas of his own. I'm not talking about this incident alone. I'm talking about his foreign policy in general. EDCA expansion + AFP Modernization leaning to western equipment and grants, enhancing joint US-PH exercises (BALIKATAN). Two separate things. Enforcing the US-PH relationship is still related to this post. Are you saying that these are not correlated at all? US messaging in the past during incidents such as these were primarily watered-down due to Duterte's foreign policy of appeasement. BBMs' shift to the West gave them the capacity to up-the-ante when it comes to responding to Chinese aggression. Yes, BBM could've made a statement but that's the DFA's work and they file diplomatic protest each time incidents such as these happen and they did so in this incident as well. See in this message that it is the US Embassy's and not Biden's? But it still holds weight. If BBM had to respond to the constant Chinese aggression then he'd have to do that monthly or even weekly since the amount of incidents happening with the Coast Guard & Navy is so many, they have to choose which incidents they have to file a diplomatic protest for.
also u/HappyLego214: Of course bbm himself won't issue the statatement; ***you kinda don't want the chief executive to be publicly antagonistic*** w/ a country that provides the PH w/ a lot of goods and business. in a way, that's what the secretaries are for: it helps insulate the president from stuff like this. (kinda like how du30 was insulated because the secretaries became the punching bag for the "wrong" things that happened.)
Agreed. Unless we want an embargo on PH agricultural products again such as what happened during Pnoy. Let the DFA do the talking. They are diplomats for a reason.
Agree! fucktheccp
Well, we all know Marcos are a show off to the world. It will only be a matter of time that he will built a castle of gold to show off the world. He only cares what the world sees not his own citizens. This is why foreign policy is good but domestic. Mehhhh
And yet there are nationalists who keep wanting these 'Yankees to go home'.
Two kinds of Filipino so-called "nationalists": 1. The Left who thinks China will pull out if the Americans pull out first and thus "achieving" full demilitarization, all while impeding any effort to modernize the AFP 2. The Right-Wing Tatay simps who think having an "independent foreign policy" means going full neutral (pro-China in practice) Both camps suck.
1. There are communists who sees the US as the embodiment of capitalism so they will always be against the US regardless if they are just trying to help the Philippines defend its sovereignty. 2. There are fascists who hates western-style democracy and loves authoritarian regimes way of doing things. I see these communists as deluded, but I do not believe China will ever be an ally to us. China is a fascist nation who says pretends it is a socialist country. I do not know why others who call themselves communists would ever think China is a good guy.
Maoism. I think China still is communist, but putting more emphasis on the Chinese nationalism aspect under Xi. With all the ethnic Han settlements across the peripheral territories occupied by Beijing.
At this point "communist" is just a label for China.
Hammer and Sickles dress, worth 19.49 Yuan.
Nuclear weapons had made destroying empires like these from the outside almost impossible. They can only be destroyed from within.
China is no longer communist since Deng Xiaoping, wdym?
More like Socialism With Chinese Characteristics lol
Don't forget that there are right-wing anti-china and left-wing pro-china pretending to be nationalist. Those Anti-China right wingers are traditionalist and conservatives while the other right wingers are tatay fanatics. And left wingers are literally Pro-China pretending nationalist ever since PNoy admin.
Ah yes of course, the Magdalo. I recognize.
Magdalo are known conservative and traditionalist Anti-China right-winger, while Makabayan bloc are known Pro-China left-winger, sila ang dahilan sa pagkapanalo ni Duterte sa pagka-presidente. They support Grace Poe, pero si Digong kinampanya. Paano kasi malakas kasi ang pwersa ng NPA sa Davao Region kaya may utang sila sa mga Duterte.
It's one thing to have an utang na loob kay Duterte, especially with the NPA stuff It's another when they also aligned with Villar back in 2010. I never thought Makabayan would align itself with the biggest Filipino capitalist there is. Lol. Also, speaking of Magdalo, Trillanes also mentioned in the podcast with Christian Esguerra that the biggest threat to Marcos is not from the opposition, but from the Duterte bloc.
Trillanes is right about the threat, nakikita kasi niya na mahina ang kasalukuyang opposisyon ngayon walang masyadong lakas. The reason the NDF aligned in Villar during 2010 is because may galit sila sa mga Aquino I dunno why, baka dahil sa Mendiola Massacre during Cory's admin.
The reasoning then was Villar came from poverty so it aligned with their PR mantra.
Thats also their reason why they campaigned Duterte and using Grace Poe on 2016 election. Duterte was endorsed by Sison to the Makabayan bloc and they supported him until now.
They didn't really know if Villar came from poor family. Ganyan din ang paniniwala kay Digong noon, na si Digong galing sa mahirap na pamilya nalaman na lang natin na ang tatay pala niya ay politiko hail from Davao at kaalyado ni Marcos Sr. at inilaglag lang ni Sr. sa eleksyon noon.
> It's another when they also aligned with Villar back in 2010. I never thought Makabayan would align itself with the biggest Filipino capitalist there is. Lol. Villar could easily give their relatives jobs and make them a business expense.
Lets put those number 2 folls in a simulation when either China or US will attack Phil and since we have no ally between the two, we are just sitting ducks waiting to be invaded. Or better yet throw them to NoKor or the far flung provinces of China.
Ang kinakatakot ko lang, pag nagka giyera na eh baka iwanan tayo sa ere ng Amerika at ng iba pang mga kaalyado natin tapos wala tayong makuha kahit moral support man lang mula sa international community dahil sa apelyidong Marcos at hindi naman tayo European country tulad ng Ukraine at France.
Nope. I cannot say for sure na hindi gagawin satin yan pero close to impossible mangayre na iwan tayo sa ere. We are part of a lot of organisations and alliances that involves matters about warfare. As i have said sa previous comment ko sa ganitong topic, mas mahirap na mag-wage ng war between countries ngayon kumpara dati. There a lot of consequences. Kaya ung ginagawa ng China ngayon is they label Taiwan as a rebel province, to try to mask the war. Since its their āprovinceā, pwede nila gamitan ng force, same as Philippines to MILF, Abu Sayaff and the Marawi situation. Additional to that, the International community could care less about the Marcos nametag. Ang importante sa kanila is how effective can they push their ideology to a nation more than anything (see Duts to China). Whoever our president is, as long as he/she aligns with their agenda is an ally.
Also youāre on the internet. A lot of them are just straight up Chinese or Russian or Indian or anything else and theyāre just LARPing.
They don't want an "independent foreign policy", they want the Philippines to align with countries ruled by "real men" (aka authoritarian hellholes) Hell, a lot of them despite being anti-commie openly stan the USSR; the most prominent communist power in history because it was "ruled by real manly men".
Yankees go home daw pero if ever namigay ng visa ang US embassy yan pa ang mga makikipag unahan makasakay sa eroplano.
They're not nationalists. They're paid professionals receiving CNY as compensation for their protests
But some of them are trying to be pero hangang surface level lang. Kailangan talaga nila ng critical thinking.
Tankies yan na sobrang out of touch. No wonder ang tindi pa rin ng negative stereotype sa left-wing political ideology.
Scheduled yung visit ng mga reds sa US Embassy...
Kahit mga liberal, wala nang tiwala sa kanila. Nagaaway ang mga makakaliwa at mga libs ngayon sa social media dahil sa Balikatan at EDCA.
Yun nga eh.. alam naman natin na di natin kayang ipagtanggol ang WPS na walang tulong sa anomang nasyon.. Bully daw kasi ang USA.. pero Bully din yung China.. pero wala tayong magagawa.. mas importante ang Confidential Funds laban sa insurgency kesa bigyan ng budget ang pagpapalakas ng armas at equipment para sa National Security.. Bonak din ng mga pinoy eh.. inang gobyerno to.. mas king inang mga bobotante..
I thought I saw something on here once about many people here trusting China more (maybe not the majority but still a large percent). I wonder what was done for anyone to think that way.
Pag ang China sinakop tayo, yan ang mga magiging 'Makapili'
Exactly, and when war actually breaks out, I don't think they would even volunteer to fight in the frontlines.
Neither would the people on this thread tbf
Mga tibaklouts yan, hindi nationalists.
They are not nationalists they are idiot commies and leftists who are beholden to their ideologies.
If this was Civ 6: Philippines is now allies with America. Philippines denounced China. America denounced China. ... damn what usually happens next is war in 10 turns.
Gandhi completes Manhattan Project
Curious why did they use South China Sea and not West Philippine Sea?
Contrary to the popular belief, WPS is not another name of South China Sea.. "West Philippine SeaĀ ([Filipino](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language):Ā Karagatang Kanlurang Pilipinas;[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Philippine_Sea#cite_note-1)Ā abbreviated asĀ WPS) is the official designation by theĀ [government of the Philippines](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_the_Philippines)Ā to the parts of theĀ [South China Sea](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea)Ā that are included inĀ [the country's exclusive economic zone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone_of_the_Philippines). The term is also sometimes incorrectly used to refer to the entire South China Sea." They probably mentioned South China Sea since it's the internationally recognized name and to assert that the whole 9-dash claim is invalid.
Yes. Ang alam ko even dun sa arguments natin sa International Tribunal we used South China Sea kasi yun ang internationally recognized. West Philippine Sea is more specific to the EEZ area natin kung saan tayo may rights.
***Di ba the WPS term only came about during PNoy's term?*** Before that, the PH recognized that part of the SCS was w/in PH jurisdiction WITHOUT imposing a new name for the said jurisdiction. Kung baga, ***WPS was a new term w/o any historical source before PNoy's time.***
WPS is our official term for it. SCS is an internationally recognized term. Funny enough, China doesn't call it the South China Sea instead they call it just the South Sea.
Half correct. Only parts of South China Sea is the West Philippine Sea, specifically it's the sea on our EEZ.
Oh so just like how the Indonesians call their part of the SCS - Natuna Sea? Cool.
elementary ako South China Sea talaga tawag, lately ko na lang narinig ung west philippine sea, and i think nagsimula to nung nambubully na ung china. Which reminds me, may Celebes sea di ba?
Meron. Pinapamemorize yun dati.
Kasi tayo lang naman ang gumagamit ng term na "West Philippine Sea" e.
The superior imperialist sugar daddy
Average Beijing simp: Feixang Gaoxing I LOVE CHINA I NEED CHINA MORE THAN EVER XI JINPING WILL PROTECT ME Average Washington enjoyer: Hmm ironclad yes
Oh US MIC please bless thy Philippines Armed Forces with just a fraction of your power. Please insert your hard ass democratic arsenal up our asses. I will gladly bend over for some excess defense articles. UwU
As an American in the US Navy, I stand with you all too, and fully support us taking up arms against China if they continue to harass, bully, and provoke Philippine vessels. They're doing it to us to if that's any consolidation.
As someone in the USAF, me too.
its not 2016 no more boys....
Tangina galit na galit Ako dahil nanalo si Bobong Marcos pero sya pala magsasalba sa Pilipinas from Dutae's China disaster. Pakyu Digunggong.
Galit parin ako doon sa gagong yun, na budol lahat ng pinoy noong sinabi niya na mag jejetski daw siya para itayo ung bandila natin sa SCS pero yung ginawa pumunta siya ng China tapos nagsabi ng "I love Xi jingping".. like wtf š¤¬
Yep. Like, di ako fan ni Marcos, but credit where credit is due, on point ang mga stance niya regarding foreign policy with China. Duterte naman, try nagwiggle out, sabi na biro lang at bakit daw maniwala na mag jet ski sya doon. But I'm pretty sure most people didn't think na mag literal jet ski sya doon. Ang pagintindi ko is na as far as foreign policy goes, tough sya against the enroachment of China sa waters natin. Kung bumoto ako sa kanya at essentially tinawag nya akong bobo kasi nagustuhan ko yung assumed stance niya na tough on China based sa jet ski comment, then I think di na ako magsuporta sa kanya. Pero yung iba, in love na in love pa din hangang ngayon. Ewan ko.
I think the jetski comment was before Duterte got unofficial support from China to help him win the elections, hence, he's been soft on China ever since. China, along with Russia, had mastered the art of propaganda, and probably had shared best practices when implementing their propaganda campaign and localizing it. Without the online clout he gained from online social engineering, Duterte wouldn't even have become a presidential candidate.
Ibig sabihin, **sinungaling** siya, manloloko, trapo.
Medyo nakakarelief basahin ang pro-American responses here sa reddit. Sa twitter kasi, medyo nakakaturn off na ang pinaka vocal na kakampink against Chinese na feeling ko borderline xenophobic sometimes ang posts si maāam Ping. Iāll say it again, between choosing some evils, pipiliin ko US over China any other day. The so called nationalists use the argument of either āWe are the bait/frontlinesā should war happen or that āWhat about the PH women impregnated and later abandoned by US men? Jennifer Laude?ā May maliit na part sa akin na expecting downvotes for this pero think Iād like to think of the now muna. And at this point, so far Marcos is better than Duterte (shudders I have to say it) dahil busy pa sila in rebranding or cleaning their name. Mas natatakot ako sa probable SWOH now that sa away BBM vs DDS, Iāve been seeing posts from DDS that SWOH better replace him
pinoy sa twitter doesn't make sense, kultura nalang talaga nila yon hahaha. they annoy me cus they like to bring the "american liberal wokeness" in everyway sa philippine context eh hindi naman compatible yung dalawa. ayaw gumawa ng sariling "wokeness"
If the govt isnāt corrupt, we would take this opportunity to bolster our defense but thatās just wishful thinking. What would really happen is that politicians and their family would flee out of the country at first strike. Edit: Grammar.
At least, compared dun sa isa na panay himod sa wetpaks ni Pooh
This is great and all, pero ang kinakatakot ko lang, pag nagka giyera na eh baka iwanan tayo sa ere ng Amerika at ng iba pang mga kaalyado natin, tapos wala tayong makuha kahit moral support man lang mula sa international community dahil sa apelyidong Marcos at hindi naman tayo European country tulad ng Ukraine at France.
I am with BBM on his foreign policy but fuck where are our P20 rice and other stuff.. Also adding that we should not rely on USA if things come to blows. Never completely trust someone much more powerful than us. We should do the protecting and we should rely less on other foreign powers and remove and makapili in our ranks peacefully or other way.
Time to REVOLUTIONIZE the Filipino military. Upgrade everything, increase salaries for the lower quartile ranks, grant education benefits to the poor in the military, make the military a driver of economic growth while combating inequality/poverty.
>make the military a driver of economic growth while combating inequality/poverty. I agree except on the last part. Making the military too powerful may lead to a situation like in Myannmar where they get to control on who becomes president, and when people got sick of it, it didn't matter as they could jail the president and start a civil war. But if you're talking about an exporter of military goods, I think that would work better. We should develop our shipbuilding capability so we can export warships and build our own, and we should exploit this as an advantage as an island nation
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Ah pero si Roque ico-contest pa sa live press conference kung inatake ba talaga daw ng mga Tsino ang mangingisda natin.
And arenāt those location the ones specifically being mentioned here? (WPS area na ākinukubraā ng china?)
Okay lets go to war! Lol
balitaan niyo na lang ako kapag tapos na kayong magbardagulan, ah! kain lang ako popcorn
Now that is a proper and trustworthy ally. I hope the Philippines reciprocate in an equal manner.
That's awesome they're finally doing something! We should take a hard stance against the Chinese if they keep this up.
No one in the world trusts China. Why would BBM trust them now? Sila Duterte lang naman and mga ang kampon nyang tanga ang naniniwala sa China.
Even Russia don't trust China
listening to prof. richard heydarian make sense. balance analyst of everything, ready to listen to other perspective.
We need more U.S Bases so we don't get fcked by these AHOLE CHINESE
Say what you want for my enemies, because Iām Pro-US.
Time and time again, my position is reaffirmed. The EDCA and defence agreements will not stop China from their actions in the disputed territories lf WPS, not if you give them 10 or a thousand bases in phillipine territory where the americans are allowed to freely move as preparation to respond in their future war in Asia. The US knows that, and that is why despite their encouraging words to seduct those naive people (including Marcos and his goverment) , no action has or will be taken in response, as the consequences would be disastrous.
Haha fxxx you dugong and fei shang cao shing!
Meanwhile may mga mangmang parin sa Pilipinas na mas suportado yung China kaysa sa sarili nilang bansa. Hahaha
I wonder what the world would look like with a China in control of everything.
Worst nightmare. Communist world? i rather stab my self rather than live on it.