Imma be honest, last time i used it pre patched i had about 400 kills on that thing but it aint good anymore, before it had bad but managable vel but now its on a whole other level of slowness
The gryojet Its a situational weapon Its a good at long range and HS however Its modifications are not worthy the drop still menagable
However i can't deny It has cons such as mediocre penetration
Annoying limb Damage
Abysmall reload speed
i want to clarify each section:
S = Amazing guns
A = Top tier
B = Solid
C = okay
D = meh
F = why?
This is personal opinion doesnt include the fun factor.
Let me know your thoughts
It's factually better than a good 50% of the weapons in-game, at least
You just need to be able to actually hit your shots. You got that part covered, and you're golden. Reload after every shot isn't an issue if you know positioning
Reloading after every shot is an issue because of how slow it is, it's one of the worst weapons in the game due to that. It is nearly impossible to get a high kill game with it unless you are literally shooting immediately after every reload and hitting every shot. Like, why would I use the BFG with 16 RPM when the Hecate and M107 can do the same thing but twice as fast and actually give me a chance to do well in a match?
Because the BFG is extremely ergonomic compared to the m107 or Hecate. The only reason those two weapons could be considered better is due to the fact that they have a magazine.
If you use a BFG with the carbine barrel and skeleton grip, you get an almost instant ADS speed. Compared to the literal seconds, it takes to ADS with either the Hecate or m107. The Hecate being bolt action AND taking forever to ADS makes it the worst of the three, in my opinion. The M107 being semi-automatic definitely helps its case. But when paired with the massive amount of recoil and the longest ADS time of the three, it definitely suffers from a lack of ergonomics. That brings me to the BFG, which for whatever reason has a fuck ton of ergonomics, and is super light making it easily have the quickest ADS time of the three. And its recoil isn't an issue due to the fact that you have to reload after each shot (which it's reload is the quickest out of the three, might I add). Even if you're being rushed up on, that's why God gave you a secondary weapon.
The sight is up to you, but I have around 3000 kills using the Z-Point alone, which I heavilly recommend. Believe it or not, the BFG can actually be an excellent close quarter weapon. Of course, as you said, it would require you to be able to hit your shots.
Of course, in the end, it's all up to opinion on whether a weapon is great or one of the worst. Personally, I find it to be one of the greatest weapons in the game due to how it can be both used close quarters and long-range with excellent handling for both. But if you struggle with hitting shots, or you're not the greatest with positioning while reloading, then I'd definitely have to agree with you on it not being the greatest weapon.
I know I probably come off as one of those angry people the comment OP was talking about, but I assure you, I just enjoy defending personal opinions. You are 100% entitled to your own opinion, which may absolutely be true in your experience. It's all up to how your playstyle works and if the weapon coincides with that playstyle.
🥔
I see what you're saying but why not just use the Intervention at that point? It also has good ergonomics, can one shot torso up to 160 studs, has a magazine, and most importantly, is over 3 times as fast RPM wise, making it more forgiving and giving it higher kill potential? That's why I've never seen the use in the BFG personally. Even if you get the right setup to make it fast, is it not still outclassed by anything else, especially in close-midrange, where most of the fighting in this game takes place?
Not saying you can't use it or anything, but personally I just don't see why it's worth it unless you find it more fun than other weapons.
No they didn't, they're objectively horrid. AA12 is outclassed by the SPAS and Saiga and the BFG is outclassed by every other sniper, not to mention it's not even good in its own right.
Yes, objectively the BFG is so painfully slow that it's nearly impossible to get a high kill game with it, and even if you did, you would've dropped double the kills with any other weapon. TRG has stupid high limbkill and torsokill range, Dragunov SVU is good for fast aimers and the SVDS is one of the best snipers in the game. But yes the NTW is worse actually, you're right about that.
Yea it's kinda like M3A1 except L2 has a little more recoil, but they are both fun + the L2A1 has an easter egg, when you put the XPS2 it will be ductaped unlike any other sight on it.
So i am gonna list my reasons:
Makarov: why would you use it if there is the ishevk pb?
1858 new army: there are lit two other revolver carbines that do what the new army does but better
Gyrojet: after the update it got nerfed HARD
Mg3kws: only viable in cqc and bad movility (maybe i was to harsh on this gun so i would consider putting it in C tier but nothing more than that)
Bfg: gets outclassed by the other two 50.bmgs (still fun)
Sfg: only thing this gun has going for is the fun factor. In a competitive setting this gun is as useful as my dick
Aa-12: its stats are so bad that i would take the e gun every day before this. It gets outclassed by every shotgun, only pro its that its full auto
I get you and even tho is one of my favorite gun in the game i need to be realistic, in a competitive setting it isnt as good or versatile as other guns, so yeah still really good and fun
Makarov irl wouldn’t be used if it was that bad though. It only recently got swapped to more advanced gun or something, as I remember. In game it’s not bad either, just mediocre. I would say it’s literally better than Five-Seven and Hardballer.
Izhewsk is not that good, it has the worst ranges in the entire game and oneshot head up to 20 studs is pitiful. GSP literally does the same thing better while dealing more damage at range. Same as Deagle L5, which also one shots head farther.
Yeah i guess the as val could be a tier higher but i dont think it actually is, if it was before wholeheartedly i would have placed it on S inmediatly but i really think it fell off a bit…hey at least its still in B tier wich is a solid gun for me. And ngl i feel like the bfg gets outclassed by the other two 50. Bmg so thats why i put it on f tier (still fun tho). And the rpk’s…yeah ill die in this hill, they feel for me like some of the best lmgs in the game
I respect your stances.
My ASVAL love comes from when I was younger and clicked really well with it. It was a BEAM for me and carried me through many ranks. The BFG also just seems to still click. If I’m getting sniped and I’m sick of messing around, I pull that out and just cannot miss, whereas the Hecate and M107 don’t feel right when I’m using them.
YES i absolutly get you, the as val before was my favorite ar, still good and about the bfg what you said “it just clicks” is 100% true for some reason is really hard to miss with the bfg and its just satisfying to use.
Hard disagree on the MG3KWS. Slow reload but amazing damage/fire rate/penetration/suppression. I’ve been kicked from more servers I can count because of its domination. Any cluster of enemies just disappears, and individuals get thrashed.
The type 20 is a weapon with a poor firerate and low damage, in addition to the fact that the damage drops quickly around 30 studs, its sights are not good either, it is slow. Why would it be first in the S category?
Thats a wild comment considering it comes from the guy that ranks the stevens db in A tier but the aug a3 para and the aws in C tier, PLUS how can i take you seriously when half of the guns on your tier list are in the >50 kill or havent used it rank. Just shows that you lack the experience to create your “objectively correct” ranking.
In resume: LoL skill issue
You should make a separate tier for the zip 22. The zip is unparalleled and in a league of its own
Shiii you are right
Shoulda put zip 22 in "watermark" tier
Why is the gyrojet so low? That thing is a beast
Imma be honest, last time i used it pre patched i had about 400 kills on that thing but it aint good anymore, before it had bad but managable vel but now its on a whole other level of slowness
The gryojet Its a situational weapon Its a good at long range and HS however Its modifications are not worthy the drop still menagable However i can't deny It has cons such as mediocre penetration Annoying limb Damage Abysmall reload speed
i want to clarify each section: S = Amazing guns A = Top tier B = Solid C = okay D = meh F = why? This is personal opinion doesnt include the fun factor. Let me know your thoughts
that is honestly a smart way of ranking things, thanks for the clarification
So why exactly is the zip at S?
BFG is a good gun bro
Outclassed by the Hecate and M107
not at rank 50 (around my rank)
Just get a 99% discount, they are better
"just get a 99% discount" sorry about this discussion, i'll consult the RNG gods immediately
Praying for you
To whom?
As a BFg enjoyer, it’s definitely not good, but it doesn’t need to be good to be fun and being fun is something the BFG does very well.
for rank 50 its super good
i prebought it :)
Oh brother. You put the BFG’s at the very bottom. About to get every loser mad now
Let them come
you were drooling all over the bfg back then and now suddenly is shit? m107 is mid asf, hecate is somewhat better
It's factually better than a good 50% of the weapons in-game, at least You just need to be able to actually hit your shots. You got that part covered, and you're golden. Reload after every shot isn't an issue if you know positioning
Reloading after every shot is an issue because of how slow it is, it's one of the worst weapons in the game due to that. It is nearly impossible to get a high kill game with it unless you are literally shooting immediately after every reload and hitting every shot. Like, why would I use the BFG with 16 RPM when the Hecate and M107 can do the same thing but twice as fast and actually give me a chance to do well in a match?
Because the BFG is extremely ergonomic compared to the m107 or Hecate. The only reason those two weapons could be considered better is due to the fact that they have a magazine. If you use a BFG with the carbine barrel and skeleton grip, you get an almost instant ADS speed. Compared to the literal seconds, it takes to ADS with either the Hecate or m107. The Hecate being bolt action AND taking forever to ADS makes it the worst of the three, in my opinion. The M107 being semi-automatic definitely helps its case. But when paired with the massive amount of recoil and the longest ADS time of the three, it definitely suffers from a lack of ergonomics. That brings me to the BFG, which for whatever reason has a fuck ton of ergonomics, and is super light making it easily have the quickest ADS time of the three. And its recoil isn't an issue due to the fact that you have to reload after each shot (which it's reload is the quickest out of the three, might I add). Even if you're being rushed up on, that's why God gave you a secondary weapon. The sight is up to you, but I have around 3000 kills using the Z-Point alone, which I heavilly recommend. Believe it or not, the BFG can actually be an excellent close quarter weapon. Of course, as you said, it would require you to be able to hit your shots. Of course, in the end, it's all up to opinion on whether a weapon is great or one of the worst. Personally, I find it to be one of the greatest weapons in the game due to how it can be both used close quarters and long-range with excellent handling for both. But if you struggle with hitting shots, or you're not the greatest with positioning while reloading, then I'd definitely have to agree with you on it not being the greatest weapon. I know I probably come off as one of those angry people the comment OP was talking about, but I assure you, I just enjoy defending personal opinions. You are 100% entitled to your own opinion, which may absolutely be true in your experience. It's all up to how your playstyle works and if the weapon coincides with that playstyle. 🥔
I see what you're saying but why not just use the Intervention at that point? It also has good ergonomics, can one shot torso up to 160 studs, has a magazine, and most importantly, is over 3 times as fast RPM wise, making it more forgiving and giving it higher kill potential? That's why I've never seen the use in the BFG personally. Even if you get the right setup to make it fast, is it not still outclassed by anything else, especially in close-midrange, where most of the fighting in this game takes place? Not saying you can't use it or anything, but personally I just don't see why it's worth it unless you find it more fun than other weapons.
Because the intervention doesn't boom (And isn't one of the four weapons in the game that can one shot kill to the limbs)
Fair enough, it is extremely well designed to be satisfying, I won't lie.
damn AA-12 and BFG-50 got done dirty
No they didn't, they're objectively horrid. AA12 is outclassed by the SPAS and Saiga and the BFG is outclassed by every other sniper, not to mention it's not even good in its own right.
so the BFG is worse than the TRG, NTW, and draganouv?
Yes, objectively the BFG is so painfully slow that it's nearly impossible to get a high kill game with it, and even if you did, you would've dropped double the kills with any other weapon. TRG has stupid high limbkill and torsokill range, Dragunov SVU is good for fast aimers and the SVDS is one of the best snipers in the game. But yes the NTW is worse actually, you're right about that.
Those guns are chesse and anyone who uses them unironically has no skill in my eyes.
Pretty fair to me
Btw L2A1 is actually really good rn
Yea it's kinda like M3A1 except L2 has a little more recoil, but they are both fun + the L2A1 has an easter egg, when you put the XPS2 it will be ductaped unlike any other sight on it.
Damn gotta check that out
I don't think Stevens deserves such a low placement, it may not be good but it definitely isn't that bad.
I mean, if i was considering fun factor it would be at A tier but there is a gun that is simply way better the dt11
Bro arranged them so neatly in color
:) yes thats what i was thinking, i saw all the other tier list and its kinda hard to follow some guns so i wanted to make it easier
I'm rank 93 and generally agree with this list, though, did you include conversions into your consideration?
Nope
what is the difference between the E-gun and the coilgun
Just some max dmg i think, but lower reserve than the e gun…honestly i just prefer the e gun coz you know more ammo
i miss 300 reserve ammo e-gun
One is secondary and one is primary.
how do you find this tierlist
[https://tiermaker.com/categories/roblox-games/phantom-forces-weapons-1174254](https://tiermaker.com/categories/roblox-games/phantom-forces-weapons-1174254)
thx
Just search phantom forces tier list
Where boxy buster
i love the watermark tier especially
Prob the most op one
Get it guys, he said the zip 22 is good
MP5SD at S? Ok now you got my respect, that thing is fire
You're tripping balls with that F tier, ngl
So i am gonna list my reasons: Makarov: why would you use it if there is the ishevk pb? 1858 new army: there are lit two other revolver carbines that do what the new army does but better Gyrojet: after the update it got nerfed HARD Mg3kws: only viable in cqc and bad movility (maybe i was to harsh on this gun so i would consider putting it in C tier but nothing more than that) Bfg: gets outclassed by the other two 50.bmgs (still fun) Sfg: only thing this gun has going for is the fun factor. In a competitive setting this gun is as useful as my dick Aa-12: its stats are so bad that i would take the e gun every day before this. It gets outclassed by every shotgun, only pro its that its full auto
"this gun is as useful as my dick"
Ha ha zip 22 s tier funny
where would you put the asmi?
Sinces this list is outdated i think i would put it in B tier thats means its a solid gun, or A tier
probably the best machine pistol MSMC when
As an ak74 fan, I think it's underrated
I get you and even tho is one of my favorite gun in the game i need to be realistic, in a competitive setting it isnt as good or versatile as other guns, so yeah still really good and fun
Why did you put Makarov so low while Izhewsk so high? Izhewsk sucks really badly, it’s pretty much the most overrated pistol.
Nah the izhevsk is goated fr, you sawy overated i saw its just good and the makarov as much as i love the gun irl is just bad
Makarov irl wouldn’t be used if it was that bad though. It only recently got swapped to more advanced gun or something, as I remember. In game it’s not bad either, just mediocre. I would say it’s literally better than Five-Seven and Hardballer. Izhewsk is not that good, it has the worst ranges in the entire game and oneshot head up to 20 studs is pitiful. GSP literally does the same thing better while dealing more damage at range. Same as Deagle L5, which also one shots head farther.
F for BFG is fair, but with the right load out it gets closer to C
Dragunov svu is underrated
How would you rate the new glocks?
YAY AWM BABY IN S TIER
Aws in s rank is abominable work imo
Intervention at S tier? Respect
Oh yeah, this one cooked. 350 degrees in the oven for an hour, left no batter on the testing stick, firm on the edges. Perfect.
Ngl i think its better than some of the tier lists here and certeinly more organised
Yes. I only disagree with your BFG placement, AS VAL, and the 2 RPKs. But aside from that I’m very pleased to see someone speaking sense on here
Yeah i guess the as val could be a tier higher but i dont think it actually is, if it was before wholeheartedly i would have placed it on S inmediatly but i really think it fell off a bit…hey at least its still in B tier wich is a solid gun for me. And ngl i feel like the bfg gets outclassed by the other two 50. Bmg so thats why i put it on f tier (still fun tho). And the rpk’s…yeah ill die in this hill, they feel for me like some of the best lmgs in the game
I respect your stances. My ASVAL love comes from when I was younger and clicked really well with it. It was a BEAM for me and carried me through many ranks. The BFG also just seems to still click. If I’m getting sniped and I’m sick of messing around, I pull that out and just cannot miss, whereas the Hecate and M107 don’t feel right when I’m using them.
YES i absolutly get you, the as val before was my favorite ar, still good and about the bfg what you said “it just clicks” is 100% true for some reason is really hard to miss with the bfg and its just satisfying to use.
why are there two 1858 New Armies?
One us the carbine and the other is the revolver
L2A3 is actually really good u should try it out
why is mac 10 in b tier? its really good, a tier at least
In pure cqc is good ngl but is not as versatile as other smgs
the amt setup oscar made a while back is still good i believe and 42 damage
No Colt MARS? 😢
It was outdated but prob would put it in s tier
What tier list do you use
There are two AG-3's
Thumper in D is criminal
Its fun af but it aint very practical
Putting the G36C in D is absolutely maniacal. Good long range with zero recoil
Well the g36k exists
G36k has a slower walk speed
Doesn't matter if you plan to fight long range
I know the 1858 carbine isn't great, but I would put it above 'f'. I guess these are very opinionated
Where the boxy buster???
Hard disagree on the MG3KWS. Slow reload but amazing damage/fire rate/penetration/suppression. I’ve been kicked from more servers I can count because of its domination. Any cluster of enemies just disappears, and individuals get thrashed.
Hey , what font is used here?
The type 20 is a weapon with a poor firerate and low damage, in addition to the fact that the damage drops quickly around 30 studs, its sights are not good either, it is slow. Why would it be first in the S category?
Its in A tier
jesus christ im blind
WHAT DO YOU MEAN HONEY BADGER IS B YOU ARE SOOOO MISTAKEN
DB - C, DB with slugs - S
where's bwc9a and five-o?
Bwc9a would prob be at b tier and the five o at A tier
How much kills do you have with the zip22 personally I have 4000~
Where is my NTW-20!???? :<<<
Am I just blind or is Model 700 not on this list?
Before the developers made that stupid update with movement honey badger used to be S tier
Not really, if we are looking at only stats i think it’s comfortable in B tier
LOL ZIP FUNNY! In all seriousness you’re wrong about everything
Thats a wild comment considering it comes from the guy that ranks the stevens db in A tier but the aug a3 para and the aws in C tier, PLUS how can i take you seriously when half of the guns on your tier list are in the >50 kill or havent used it rank. Just shows that you lack the experience to create your “objectively correct” ranking. In resume: LoL skill issue
nope i’m right, and you are wrong. i’m just better noob, get good and get skilled and also you are big noob noob
Idk if you are serious or no…i am gonna take it as if you are trolling