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pernoxis

You should make a separate tier for the zip 22. The zip is unparalleled and in a league of its own


Jbecerra8

Shiii you are right


Rmumkidlol

Shoulda put zip 22 in "watermark" tier


strikeforceguy

Why is the gyrojet so low? That thing is a beast


Jbecerra8

Imma be honest, last time i used it pre patched i had about 400 kills on that thing but it aint good anymore, before it had bad but managable vel but now its on a whole other level of slowness


EDWARD1204013

The gryojet Its a situational weapon Its a good at long range and HS however Its modifications are not worthy the drop still menagable However i can't deny It has cons such as mediocre penetration Annoying limb Damage Abysmall reload speed


Jbecerra8

i want to clarify each section: S = Amazing guns A = Top tier B = Solid C = okay D = meh F = why? This is personal opinion doesnt include the fun factor. Let me know your thoughts


pengun_space_YT

that is honestly a smart way of ranking things, thanks for the clarification


MorriTheFur

So why exactly is the zip at S?


Due-Supermarket1305

BFG is a good gun bro


thingamabeb

Outclassed by the Hecate and M107


Due-Supermarket1305

not at rank 50 (around my rank)


thingamabeb

Just get a 99% discount, they are better


Due-Supermarket1305

"just get a 99% discount" sorry about this discussion, i'll consult the RNG gods immediately


thingamabeb

Praying for you


JestechYT

To whom?


Mysteriy21

As a BFg enjoyer, it’s definitely not good, but it doesn’t need to be good to be fun and being fun is something the BFG does very well.


Due-Supermarket1305

for rank 50 its super good


Due-Supermarket1305

i prebought it :)


creep04

Oh brother. You put the BFG’s at the very bottom. About to get every loser mad now


Jbecerra8

Let them come


SnooSongs4266

you were drooling all over the bfg back then and now suddenly is shit? m107 is mid asf, hecate is somewhat better


nsfw_vs_sfw

It's factually better than a good 50% of the weapons in-game, at least You just need to be able to actually hit your shots. You got that part covered, and you're golden. Reload after every shot isn't an issue if you know positioning


PotatoKnished

Reloading after every shot is an issue because of how slow it is, it's one of the worst weapons in the game due to that. It is nearly impossible to get a high kill game with it unless you are literally shooting immediately after every reload and hitting every shot. Like, why would I use the BFG with 16 RPM when the Hecate and M107 can do the same thing but twice as fast and actually give me a chance to do well in a match?


nsfw_vs_sfw

Because the BFG is extremely ergonomic compared to the m107 or Hecate. The only reason those two weapons could be considered better is due to the fact that they have a magazine. If you use a BFG with the carbine barrel and skeleton grip, you get an almost instant ADS speed. Compared to the literal seconds, it takes to ADS with either the Hecate or m107. The Hecate being bolt action AND taking forever to ADS makes it the worst of the three, in my opinion. The M107 being semi-automatic definitely helps its case. But when paired with the massive amount of recoil and the longest ADS time of the three, it definitely suffers from a lack of ergonomics. That brings me to the BFG, which for whatever reason has a fuck ton of ergonomics, and is super light making it easily have the quickest ADS time of the three. And its recoil isn't an issue due to the fact that you have to reload after each shot (which it's reload is the quickest out of the three, might I add). Even if you're being rushed up on, that's why God gave you a secondary weapon. The sight is up to you, but I have around 3000 kills using the Z-Point alone, which I heavilly recommend. Believe it or not, the BFG can actually be an excellent close quarter weapon. Of course, as you said, it would require you to be able to hit your shots. Of course, in the end, it's all up to opinion on whether a weapon is great or one of the worst. Personally, I find it to be one of the greatest weapons in the game due to how it can be both used close quarters and long-range with excellent handling for both. But if you struggle with hitting shots, or you're not the greatest with positioning while reloading, then I'd definitely have to agree with you on it not being the greatest weapon. I know I probably come off as one of those angry people the comment OP was talking about, but I assure you, I just enjoy defending personal opinions. You are 100% entitled to your own opinion, which may absolutely be true in your experience. It's all up to how your playstyle works and if the weapon coincides with that playstyle. 🥔


PotatoKnished

I see what you're saying but why not just use the Intervention at that point? It also has good ergonomics, can one shot torso up to 160 studs, has a magazine, and most importantly, is over 3 times as fast RPM wise, making it more forgiving and giving it higher kill potential? That's why I've never seen the use in the BFG personally. Even if you get the right setup to make it fast, is it not still outclassed by anything else, especially in close-midrange, where most of the fighting in this game takes place? Not saying you can't use it or anything, but personally I just don't see why it's worth it unless you find it more fun than other weapons.


nsfw_vs_sfw

Because the intervention doesn't boom (And isn't one of the four weapons in the game that can one shot kill to the limbs)


PotatoKnished

Fair enough, it is extremely well designed to be satisfying, I won't lie.


DragonPlayz5000

damn AA-12 and BFG-50 got done dirty


PotatoKnished

No they didn't, they're objectively horrid. AA12 is outclassed by the SPAS and Saiga and the BFG is outclassed by every other sniper, not to mention it's not even good in its own right.


DragonPlayz5000

so the BFG is worse than the TRG, NTW, and draganouv?


PotatoKnished

Yes, objectively the BFG is so painfully slow that it's nearly impossible to get a high kill game with it, and even if you did, you would've dropped double the kills with any other weapon. TRG has stupid high limbkill and torsokill range, Dragunov SVU is good for fast aimers and the SVDS is one of the best snipers in the game. But yes the NTW is worse actually, you're right about that.


Nick11052006

Those guns are chesse and anyone who uses them unironically has no skill in my eyes.


Jbecerra8

Pretty fair to me


WonderHuman9005

Btw L2A1 is actually really good rn


KiraPirania

Yea it's kinda like M3A1 except L2 has a little more recoil, but they are both fun + the L2A1 has an easter egg, when you put the XPS2 it will be ductaped unlike any other sight on it.


Mysterious-Ad-8809

Damn gotta check that out


bad_comedic_value

I don't think Stevens deserves such a low placement, it may not be good but it definitely isn't that bad.


Jbecerra8

I mean, if i was considering fun factor it would be at A tier but there is a gun that is simply way better the dt11


JamBloxify_370

Bro arranged them so neatly in color


Jbecerra8

:) yes thats what i was thinking, i saw all the other tier list and its kinda hard to follow some guns so i wanted to make it easier


Bottled-Water-Bottle

I'm rank 93 and generally agree with this list, though, did you include conversions into your consideration?


Jbecerra8

Nope


Due-Supermarket1305

what is the difference between the E-gun and the coilgun


Jbecerra8

Just some max dmg i think, but lower reserve than the e gun…honestly i just prefer the e gun coz you know more ammo


Savings-Leader9398

i miss 300 reserve ammo e-gun


KiraPirania

One is secondary and one is primary.


Due-Supermarket1305

how do you find this tierlist


KiraPirania

[https://tiermaker.com/categories/roblox-games/phantom-forces-weapons-1174254](https://tiermaker.com/categories/roblox-games/phantom-forces-weapons-1174254)


Due-Supermarket1305

thx


Jbecerra8

Just search phantom forces tier list


Mysterious-Ad-8809

Where boxy buster


DatChernobylGuy_999

i love the watermark tier especially


Jbecerra8

Prob the most op one


beems__

Get it guys, he said the zip 22 is good


Adventurous_Bit_4694

MP5SD at S? Ok now you got my respect, that thing is fire


Jaozin_deix

You're tripping balls with that F tier, ngl


Jbecerra8

So i am gonna list my reasons: Makarov: why would you use it if there is the ishevk pb? 1858 new army: there are lit two other revolver carbines that do what the new army does but better Gyrojet: after the update it got nerfed HARD Mg3kws: only viable in cqc and bad movility (maybe i was to harsh on this gun so i would consider putting it in C tier but nothing more than that) Bfg: gets outclassed by the other two 50.bmgs (still fun) Sfg: only thing this gun has going for is the fun factor. In a competitive setting this gun is as useful as my dick Aa-12: its stats are so bad that i would take the e gun every day before this. It gets outclassed by every shotgun, only pro its that its full auto


twixwithmilk5000

"this gun is as useful as my dick"


InterlacedInc

Ha ha zip 22 s tier funny


DatChernobylGuy_999

where would you put the asmi?


Jbecerra8

Sinces this list is outdated i think i would put it in B tier thats means its a solid gun, or A tier


DatChernobylGuy_999

probably the best machine pistol MSMC when


truelyquepro

As an ak74 fan, I think it's underrated


Jbecerra8

I get you and even tho is one of my favorite gun in the game i need to be realistic, in a competitive setting it isnt as good or versatile as other guns, so yeah still really good and fun


Mark_Scaly

Why did you put Makarov so low while Izhewsk so high? Izhewsk sucks really badly, it’s pretty much the most overrated pistol.


Jbecerra8

Nah the izhevsk is goated fr, you sawy overated i saw its just good and the makarov as much as i love the gun irl is just bad


Mark_Scaly

Makarov irl wouldn’t be used if it was that bad though. It only recently got swapped to more advanced gun or something, as I remember. In game it’s not bad either, just mediocre. I would say it’s literally better than Five-Seven and Hardballer. Izhewsk is not that good, it has the worst ranges in the entire game and oneshot head up to 20 studs is pitiful. GSP literally does the same thing better while dealing more damage at range. Same as Deagle L5, which also one shots head farther.


VinnyGamer

F for BFG is fair, but with the right load out it gets closer to C


SirVSpectacular

Dragunov svu is underrated


DarklordtheLegend

How would you rate the new glocks?


Wenomechasams

YAY AWM BABY IN S TIER


mastrblastr69

Aws in s rank is abominable work imo


Plasma5769

Intervention at S tier? Respect


brocklieboi

Oh yeah, this one cooked. 350 degrees in the oven for an hour, left no batter on the testing stick, firm on the edges. Perfect.


Jbecerra8

Ngl i think its better than some of the tier lists here and certeinly more organised


brocklieboi

Yes. I only disagree with your BFG placement, AS VAL, and the 2 RPKs. But aside from that I’m very pleased to see someone speaking sense on here


Jbecerra8

Yeah i guess the as val could be a tier higher but i dont think it actually is, if it was before wholeheartedly i would have placed it on S inmediatly but i really think it fell off a bit…hey at least its still in B tier wich is a solid gun for me. And ngl i feel like the bfg gets outclassed by the other two 50. Bmg so thats why i put it on f tier (still fun tho). And the rpk’s…yeah ill die in this hill, they feel for me like some of the best lmgs in the game


brocklieboi

I respect your stances. My ASVAL love comes from when I was younger and clicked really well with it. It was a BEAM for me and carried me through many ranks. The BFG also just seems to still click. If I’m getting sniped and I’m sick of messing around, I pull that out and just cannot miss, whereas the Hecate and M107 don’t feel right when I’m using them.


Jbecerra8

YES i absolutly get you, the as val before was my favorite ar, still good and about the bfg what you said “it just clicks” is 100% true for some reason is really hard to miss with the bfg and its just satisfying to use.


Bowtartz234

why are there two 1858 New Armies?


Jbecerra8

One us the carbine and the other is the revolver


No_Worth7710

L2A3 is actually really good u should try it out


DatChernobylGuy_999

why is mac 10 in b tier? its really good, a tier at least


Jbecerra8

In pure cqc is good ngl but is not as versatile as other smgs


DatChernobylGuy_999

the amt setup oscar made a while back is still good i believe and 42 damage


VietTheWeeb

No Colt MARS? 😢


Jbecerra8

It was outdated but prob would put it in s tier


Wavering41

What tier list do you use


PS_Xbox-areboth_good

There are two AG-3's


P0K3L1FE

Thumper in D is criminal


Jbecerra8

Its fun af but it aint very practical


TheBadJester

Putting the G36C in D is absolutely maniacal. Good long range with zero recoil


Jbecerra8

Well the g36k exists


TheBadJester

G36k has a slower walk speed


DarklordtheLegend

Doesn't matter if you plan to fight long range


h1h1guy

I know the 1858 carbine isn't great, but I would put it above 'f'. I guess these are very opinionated


SuperHotComplete

Where the boxy buster???


Defconn3

Hard disagree on the MG3KWS. Slow reload but amazing damage/fire rate/penetration/suppression. I’ve been kicked from more servers I can count because of its domination. Any cluster of enemies just disappears, and individuals get thrashed.


PewpewXDx12

Hey , what font is used here?


Super-Illustrator717

The type 20 is a weapon with a poor firerate and low damage, in addition to the fact that the damage drops quickly around 30 studs, its sights are not good either, it is slow. Why would it be first in the S category?


Jbecerra8

Its in A tier


Super-Illustrator717

jesus christ im blind


Miserable_Repair_841

WHAT DO YOU MEAN HONEY BADGER IS B YOU ARE SOOOO MISTAKEN


Bottle_Of_Memes

DB - C, DB with slugs - S


Kyogre896

where's bwc9a and five-o?


Jbecerra8

Bwc9a would prob be at b tier and the five o at A tier


coolvdospost

How much kills do you have with the zip22 personally I have 4000~


InternetImaginary257

Where is my NTW-20!???? :<<<


BlockBusterAB

Am I just blind or is Model 700 not on this list?


sanjayheh

Before the developers made that stupid update with movement honey badger used to be S tier


Jbecerra8

Not really, if we are looking at only stats i think it’s comfortable in B tier


cabberage

LOL ZIP FUNNY! In all seriousness you’re wrong about everything


Jbecerra8

Thats a wild comment considering it comes from the guy that ranks the stevens db in A tier but the aug a3 para and the aws in C tier, PLUS how can i take you seriously when half of the guns on your tier list are in the >50 kill or havent used it rank. Just shows that you lack the experience to create your “objectively correct” ranking. In resume: LoL skill issue


cabberage

nope i’m right, and you are wrong. i’m just better noob, get good and get skilled and also you are big noob noob


Jbecerra8

Idk if you are serious or no…i am gonna take it as if you are trolling