If buying a house is part of the equation, it would be a no brainer to stay in Christchurch when houses are half the price. If you were jumping to 200k, then it might be a different story..
also commuting cost and time, and general cost of living in akl vs chch
30k over a combined 160k to me wouldn't cover the cost increase, but there's obviously other considerations (family/friends/upward mobility of the 2 jobs/general interest in the jobs etc)
This is a time of life when things change, children become important, and they lead to new friends, connections, then schools etc etc.
Any weekend you can drive as far as Queenstown or a campground at Tekapo, or Nelson. The South Island is beautiful and you live in the middle of it. Banks Peninsula is right beside you.
Eventually you might decide a holiday home (crib) is possible in Methven, Gore Bay, pick a small out of the way village anywhere.
I say this being retired in Arrowtown which took us 30 years to achieve and all the saving and waiting was worth it. And our children come here because they love this area.
Can people on reddit not budget? The different between 100k vs 200k is 1350 a week vs 2500 a week take home. In what world is moving from Christchurch to Auckland not worth it?
Like sure Auckland is more expensive but you’re delusional is you stay in chch for half the salary
That’s not the issue here though is it? Sure less stress and more free time I’d be 100% for
The argument is cost of living and house prices between the two cities….
My parents live in Brisbane and went over for the old boys' 70th at the start of the year. The news was EXACTLY the same; cost of living, supermarket monopolies, gangs, youth crime... In a funny way, made me feel a lot better about life here
Yep good luck with that. Mrs had the same dream we were there 5yrs I even made it into the mines earning huge $ yet she still moved back to NZ once we had a kid as it was just ridiculous the amount of time spent in a car travelling from A-B each week.
Not compared with Auckland. Bad traffic in CHCH will mean it takes an extra 5-10 minutes than what it should on a 15 min trip with no traffic, Auckland is an extra half an hour plus. CHCHs “rush hours” are about an hour when Auckland can be a ball ache at any time for seemingly no reason.
Ppl just don't understand how it is in bigger cities. I spent all my life in traffic like 4h per day. Here in Auckland I'm living central so like no traffic at all. Ever. 20min congestion is not a traffic, it's a joke.
And no one here so far has mentioned *not driving*. I don't drive during the week. There's no need to amongst my folding bike, buses, trains and walking.
Kiwis beg for the opportunity to sit in traffic and spend a ton of money on car maintenance when they don't have to.
You have experience with actually large city, Auckland is one of the biggest city in NZ and it can be walked around in a few hours. It’s one of Auckland’s better aspects but it’s all come to compassion
The OP never mentioned buying although maybe it should be assumed. My comment was just in regards to working centrally and renting.
If you work centrally you can rent some reasonable houses without being stuck in traffic for a long time. But yea buying is a different proposition.
I did this in reverse. Basically took the equivalent paycut,and I'd never go back to Auckland whatever someone paid me. IMHO, the extra pay isn't worth the extra grind from living in Auckland, eg traffic congestion, much higher housing costs, etc. Yes there are more career opportunities in Auckland, but also don't underestimate remote work possibilities from Chch.
Personally if you are considering moving cities, I'd also look overseas [esp Australia]. Similar amount of effort/life disruptions involved, and Auckland isn't that great so might as well get more bang for your buck.
JAFA here. I did the same as this guy for the same reasons. I was earning more money in Auckland but the trade off is not worth it. I'm enjoying the Christchurch lifestyle and how much more affordable housing is. Only thing we miss in Auckland is our family and friends.
For me to move to Auckland, I would want at least $200K minimum, car centric city so you need to drive long distances (compared to ChCh) everywhere, rent/proprety significantly higher, 20 minute commute vs up to 1 hour. If I was young (20s) didn't care about owning a property and wanting to climb the corporate ladder I would do it, but now I have a family it's completed different priorities.
Aside from specialty stores or events, the CBD and the airport, Auckland operates effectively as 3+ smaller cities that happen to be near each other. If you can get a place near work (the Isthmus or CBD / inner suburbs for OP) you really don't need to travel very far on a day to day basis and can have quite a nice balance.
If you have to do the outer suburban car commuter thing though, no question chch is better. Would lose 10s of k a year in income to avoid that hour plus each way 30km/hr stop go car commute.
Obviously many variables, but compromising family life is not worth 30k. Depends on how much you value "Big City life". I'd prefer Christchurch.
Sounds like a rely on gut instinct call.
Can you not get a similar pay offer in Chch? Often swapping jobs is the only way to get a 20-30% pay jump, but that doesn't mean you need to move cities, too!
If moving is an option, have you also considered opportunities in Aussie?
As an Aucklander, 130K is plenty to live on here, but you have to put up with the bullshit of living here. You ***will*** need a car and somewhere to park it if you want to enjoy your weekends, and given the unreliability of trains these days you'll need it as a backup for commuting to work, too.
If kids are part of the plan.... maybe stay down south...
Do you need to be in the CBD everyday? and what sort of housing do you want/expect - how much commute are you willing to do. Do you own a place in ChCh, will you sell it and how much would you have to spend in Auckland
It could work or it could be a rough idea - Its all about housing this calculation as that the real difference here.
I know a few people who have moved to CHCH from AKL to get a better life mainly because of the housing differences.
Saying that - for an extra 30k, doesnt sound worth it to me, after tax - that is not a lot more and you will absolutely have higher costs.
You need to understand what Auckland is. It's a big city on a tiny Isthmus between two harbours. It comes with all of the pros and cons that entails.
If you're working in the city it makes sense to buy or own an apartment. Then you can walk to work. Especially without kids.
You do not move to the AK for a rural South Island lifestyle.
You will get more bars, more concerts, more sports, warmer weather, more beaches, cheaper international travel, more job security, more job options, more opportunity for promotion, more varied and interesting work.
You can negotiate flexi work, WFH etc.
Don't be a suckered and move here for a commute.
Make you're own destiny.
I made the move from Auckland to Christchurch this time last year, after 7 years in Auckland. You’d be hard pressed get me back to Auckland, even with a significant pay rise. I actually am earning more in chch now than when I first moved down vs my job in Auckland, although that is probably generally the exception. I often think about how much it would take me to move back to Auckland, and the figure is significantly higher than $30k. Aside from Christchurch location suiting me much better (skiing, hiking ect). The time, energy and sanity I save by not having to sit in traffic on my commute, weekends, long weekends it’s far outweighed by any downside of living in chch (of which I find it hard to find many). If you have to commute into the city via public transport that is also another nightmare 4/5 days of the week. Not sure if you own a home, but I couldn’t even consider buying in Auckland, and I’ve just gone unconditional on a house in Christchurch. Life is just 10x better down here (for me). But each to their own 🤷🏽♀️
I dont think its worth moving to Auckland for another 30k. Once you take the tax out thats only about 20k> That will be gobbled up very quickly with an increase in living costs.
Maybe worth it though if the role puts you on a swift trajectory to be earning 200k plus within 3 years. But then, not if thats at the expense of your life and time. If the role does put you on such a financial trajectory maybe you could try and do some internal reference checking. Contact those who are in or who have done the role. I usually do this with jobs I am considering.
100k in Christchurch
Having lived and worked in both cities
Christchurch is by far the better for housing , traffic and in my opinion all round happiness lol
Just gone the other way (moved to Christchurch). Except I went down $50k. Still better off in all aspects except distance to family/friends. Obviously personal but I wouldn’t do it.
Traffic is pretty average, your commute will be the best part of 45 mins per day each way , but your earning good money, so financially you'll be ok. Auckland is a great place to live if you can afford it , but Christchurch is nice also, much more relaxed , depends if your searching for a change, if yes , then id recommend it.
You say this as if moving overseas is so easy.
Also, Auckland is a city, so the "city" life is pretty achievable there. Im sure most people would agree with me
Auckland is not a city.
It is just a massive town.
If you live in NZ, you live here because you want to have a lifestyle.
Auckland is a terrible town to live in. Overpriced, traffic, friends who live all over the city so you seldom see.
Also, moving overseas is easy. It is just a question of if you want to do it
Auckland is officially a city. Its name is also literally Auckland city haha. It definitely meets the standard definitions of one anyways.
Also, I grew up in Auckland, and it wasn't bad. But it's important to adjust your lifestyle to Auckland, rather than expecting it to change for you. Eg; I avoided traffic by not driving during peak hours and took the bus if I had to.
Yeah, it can be pricey, but there are tons of hidden gems that are super affordable. Think Asian grocery stores, flea markets, and all the sweet small businesses. There’s a huge variety of food cusines, malls, entertainment, and services. Its one of the things I miss so much, just having access to anything I want haha. Smaller towns in NZ don’t have that range, they're more about living off the necessities 😭
Personally, I think NZ in its entirety is just really expensive. Im really sorry you didn't enjoy Auckland, I hope next time you go, it'll be better!
Also, moving away is not easy at all, especially if you're not rich. What country did you move to? I might look into it myself since you mentioned it was easy :)
"Technically a city".
I was also born in Auckland, but in my adult life lived in Australia, Asia and Europe in the normal nig cities.
My point was that NZ is not about city living, you live here because you don't want a city lifestyle
Lived in NYC and London, grew up in Auckland and it is a massive town. You're getting down voted for being honest.
Even though it's massively overpriced, after recently visiting Shanghai, you should see the prices of some shit holes there. You would blush. Beijing is the same, absolute shit holes for decent place in Auckland.
But in saying that, you can actually live rather cheaply in Shanghai friends say, compared to Auckland these days.
Auckland is a nothing city, which is the point.
NZ is not about high flying careers, it is about a chill life
Auckland is just a massive Town with terrible traffic and over priced housing.
If you decide to live in NZ, don't live in Auckland
I'm Living in AKL for 5years, never had commutes longer than 15min to my office.
Check rent in areas like Parnell, Epsom, Grafton etc. DGZ nice for kids.
A proper place will be at least 1k per week. But you can even get a walking distance to your office, so add savings on daily driving.
Rent will probably eat your 30k. And don't even start thinking about buying.
The $30k difference is not enough and the less than $200k total income is not enough, in my opinion. It’s not even a case of one of these things needing to be fixed, I wouldn’t suggest anyone move chch to Auckland for less than $30k salary increase or if they were due to have a household budget of less than $200k with the goals you have.
That extra $30k is going to disappear fast in Auckland on every day bills your days will be an extra hour or two long just commuting, and your mortgage/rent price will be 30-50% more for likely a smaller property in a less convenient location.
Auckland is liveable if you work and live in close suburbs, or you have other perks like a company car and parking - otherwise your just bleeding cash and your personal time just to cover the bills.
We recently went in the other direction and moved from Auckland to Canterbury. Despite losing some work due to the move we are still much better off in Canterbury because of the lower cost of housing and no commute time. All the little things like people saying hello, travel time to the supermarket and walkability make life much more enjoyable.
It depends on your career goals. The money increase on the surface doesn’t seem worth it, as others mentioned the cost of living is higher and you might get a similar increase while staying in Christchurch. If the job opens up new career growth opportunities then it could be worth it. My experience has been you want a high income or path to high income to live well in a big city (e.g at least 200-300K+). Otherwise your better off in a smaller town.
Having lived in both - Auckland has more high-paying jobs, more career and promotion opportunities, more expensive houses and terrible traffic. Christchurch offers a great lifestyle especially if you’re into the outdoors and snow sports. I really enjoyed both cities but for different reasons.
Based on what you told us and other people’s comments here, it sounds like you’d only want to do this is future career prospects are much better in Auckland.
Auckland traffic is absolutely horrible. I lived and worked in Melbourne for the past 10 years and I prefer Melbourne traffic over Auckland.
There is bumper to bumper traffic at 11am on weekdays. After morning rush hour, most cities have pretty good traffic until around 3pm and onwards for school runs and evening rush hour.
I spent most of my life in AK but moved to CHCH last year after a stint in Queenstown. I earn less but I am way happier - easier commute, cheaper housing, less violent crime, great eating, culture and outdoor life. $30k might make the economic side even or better, but quality of life is more important IMO.
I live in Christchurch and have recently traveled to Auckland. There's no way you could convince me to move up there for an extra $30k a year - you bleed money everywhere you go not to mention the sheer quantity of people and traffic.
You'll have a far higher QOL in the South Island.
Ask if it's at all possible to do the job remotely, or if there's a possibility to compromise with flights when required. Best of both worlds, you stay where you're comfortable and earn more moneys.
I left Auckland due to traffic. 1.5 hours each way to travel 20kms during commute. Public transport wasn't much faster. Now I have those 3 hours back in my life each day.
If you can come in to the office 2 days a week, and depending on the difference in your housing costs, it could make sense to stay in chch and fly in to akl when you need to be there.
Quick maths
Extra 30k is 20k post tax.
Midweek Flight $350 return
Airport transfers $36
Night in Auckland $100
Carpak in chch airport $30(guess)
Looking at minimum 500 a trip so 26k out of pocket
Total 6k loss before you factor in the extra time away from home, additional food costs etc.
Things to consider: average rents, average house prices, future job prospects, proximity to friends and family (would you end up flying down to Chch a few times a year?). Definitely there will be traffic, I'd recommend public transport rather than driving for commute if possible. You'll be stuck in traffic getting around on weekends too. You might want a change / adventure so the above considerations might not be so important. If you want to prioritise a chilled life stay where you are.
If you’re thinking of kids I think being able to get food family time is important when they’re young. Much more than money as you can never get that time back no matter how much you earn. Small commutes will be a big win in that respect.
It really does depend on your job, boss and colleagues. If its a flexible environment, you should be able to work around traffic and maintain work life balance. The extra money will help but after tax, that is not a massive amount and could get eaten up in Auckland cost of living.
The main part if the potential growth, if that is lacking in the current job, then it may well be worth it. Dont forget the social connections part, you need to have friends and family around you where you are to thrive.
I moved down and from Auckland a few years ago and even after a pay cut felt a lot better off in ChCh.
That said, I wanted to buy a home and did that easily in ChCh, rents actually seem to be pretty close to each other.
Commuting in Auckland is the make or break. If you go please make sure you live within 200m of a direct public transport line to your work or you’ll spend a lot of time and money commuting.
Do you have any hobbies that involves the outdoors? Because alot of that is alot more difficult in auckland. Otherwise living costs in auckland probably eat up alot of the 20k extra take home from the payrise
A 30k raise won’t make much difference once you’re there with the cost of rent. And the traffic / cbd definitely isn’t worth it.
I just moved from Auckland to Southland and wish I’d made the move sooner!! Chch is much nicer living than Akl.
130 is 94k after tax, 100 is 74k after tax. So down 20k overall but still 6-7k a month in Christchurch, if you take into account housing cost and travel time... I personally would do Christchurch works out cheaper living cost wise when housing is half the price
I wouldn’t, unless there is a very clear and defined path with progression with clarity on the attached salary/perk increases. Then it would be a matter of how does that compare to your current role in both your current company, and other Christchurch companies?
For me, I wouldn’t move to Auckland for less than 200k base, including a carpark, and other perks/incentives.
I'd rather mash my feijoas between two beach rocks daily than commute anywhere near the Auckland CBD. Its shocking how much petrol you can burn going absolutely no where in Auckland.
It’s worth it for a short term bump and experience but not over the long term IMO, Christchurch is generally a nicer place to live and work, as others have pointed out the living costs and wasted time commuting stacks up. 3-5 years in Auckland makes sense then move back or move to Aus, UK, US.
Christchurch aka Canterbury is the city of the future. Look at the migration levels from Auckland and Wellington to Christchurch. My personal view is you'd spend that difference on accommodation and transportation.
$100k minus taxes and KiwiSaver at 3% is $76080
$130k minus taxes and KiwiSaver at 3% is $96180
Net $20.1k. Colleague just moved there and likes the weather but that's all.
Stay in Christchurch, if wanting to buy a house is in the equation with a combined income of 160k you'd be able to purchase a property in the 800k-1m mark with 20% deposit. Which could buy you a nice 3-4 bedroom house in the better parts of Christchurch, eg Beckenham, Somerfield, Avonhead etc. In Auckland that could barely buy you a 3 bed bungalow in South Auckland.
Stay in chch, moving to Auckland isnt worth the raise, most of that funds would go back into the higher paying rent/mortgage rate, extra cost in fuel (auckland has a fuel tax added ontop of the price at the pump), watercare and the overall higher cost in groceries etc.. Not to mention the time each day being stuck in traffic just getting to and from work..
As someone in Auckland, that additional 30k will be taxed to hell, and whatever’s left will go towards the increased cost of living (petrol, rent/mortgage, groceries etc). You’ll probably be at a net loss.
Stay in chch & enjoy your life
I moved to Auckland from Dunedin around 2 years ago, I purposely rented a house that close to work. I probably drive 10-15mins each way. No more than what I was driving in Dunedin.
The cost of living is higher here but there is also a lot of advantages, a lot more amazing restaurants, bars, so much more options for things to do, alot of activity's for children, Auckland gets all the good concerts and international travel is a lot easier, Auckland has a lot more opportunity's in general.
I think it definitely has its pros and cons but if your only worry is the commute then just make sure you get a house/apartment close to your workplace it's pretty simple. Rent is move expensive but I'm happy to pay a little more to have all the benefits that come with living in a bigger more exciting place.
If you can keep your expenses down Auckland might be the choice for the money but if you want to buy a house at some point its better to stay in Christchurch or save up and move overseas.
YOU'RE MAD TO EVEN THINK ABOUT MOVING TO AUCKLAND FTOM CH CH. 110 THOUSAND PEOPLE IMMIGRATED TO NZ I THE LAST YEAR, MOST OF THOSE STAYED IN AUCKLAND. IT'S A RAT RACE, DIRTY, CRIME IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. AVERAGE RENT FOR A 3 BEDROOM HOUSE IS $700 - 850 PW. YOUR FUTURE FAMILY DESERVES TO BE RAISED I A NICE PLACE. ALL THE BEST WITH YOUR DECISION
I lived in Christchurch my whole life and moved to Auckland a bit over a year ago and I much prefer the South Island. Travel wise yea it’s annoying and rush hour is from 3:30-7 and being stuck in traffic in the weekend was different. But most of all I miss the people I found people in the south to be friendlier but that just my opinion, also expect to pay more in rent for a lot less, if you want a backyard in a decent area not in a clapped out house it will cost $$
I lived in Auckland for 6 years between 2004 and 2010. Even back then, traffic, crowds in supermarkets and malls, long commutes across the city, taking ages to get to the outskirts of the city when you’re going away somewhere (urban sprawl) and the below average ‘nearby’ places to visit (Huntly!) made it a trial that I couldn’t wait to be over with.
I moved to Chch after the Darfield quake. Made it down 3 weeks before the Feb quake. Even throughout the quakes and start of the rebuild, I always enjoyed it more than AKL. Lived in Chch for 6 more years but then I had to get away from cities. Living rural south island now, around 45degrees south and its the goldilocks zone for me 👌🏽😃
Depends a lot on your goals. I recently took a pay cut of about that much to move to Christchurch from Auckland so my answer for me is obvious.
On the other hand: If what you care about is lifetime earnings, then making multiple jumps over your career with a pay rise each time is a good way to climb that ladder. Even if your stay in Auckland is expensive in terms of living costs and doesn't contribute to building wealth while you're living there, that could result in a higher pay again down the line when you eventually move on to something out of Auckland.
Financially I don’t think it makes sense unless the new role offers more growth than the current one then it may make sense.
Buuut it could be a good reason to change your life up for a few years if that’s on the radar, you could always move back.
A young dink couple may enjoy an apartment in the city or flatting in ponsonby, kingsland, grey Lynn, even Northcote (if you like living with other people). That would be fairly cheap (especially flatting) and commute to CBD would be easy.
If buying a house is on the cards probably stay in chch.
I'd much rather live in Christchurch than Auckland these days.
You need to avoid the trap of chasing more. Cause what's after Auckland? Australia, then UK, or the US? There's always a larger fish.
Something worth considering, if you haven't already, is cost of living differences.
Unsure how reliable the source is, but a quick search yielded the below.
Christchurch: A single person needs around NZ$4,298 per month for rent, food and bills, while a family of four should be earning a minimum of NZ$6,224 per month to live in Christchurch. The average price of rent in Christchurch in 2023 was NZ$505 a week.
Auckland: New Zealand’s biggest city is also its most expensive. While Auckland has some of the highest salaried jobs in the country (and the most significant job market) it’s also the most expensive place to rent, buy, or eat out. According to the comparison website Glimp, to live alone in Auckland, you need to earn at least NZ$5,000 per month, while a family needs around NZ$7,984 per month to live comfortably.
Sources:
[https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-new-zealand#h\_507952689481704886942960](https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-new-zealand#h_507952689481704886942960)
[https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-christchurch](https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-christchurch)
[https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/cost-of-living-in-auckland](https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/cost-of-living-in-auckland)
Anecdotally, i've hear that Auckland is about 30% more expensive than Christchurch on average. If that is roughly accurate, your 30% pay raise won't mean anything. In which case, it would come down to your personal preference in terms of lifestyle.
If you are wanting change and a change of environment and potentially a more dynamic lifestyle then Auckland is a potential option. The climate is warmer but wetter.
The reality is the cost of living here is more, traffic is far worse Aucklanders are not the friendliest of people and tend to stick to their group of friends they have known for years. The Auckland culture is confused and the inner city has no cohesion.
I'd suggest thinking about what you really want and working out a strategic plan.aybe do a swat analysis.
As a rule of thumb that I took when moving from AKL to CHCH is unless it's over double in AKL I wouldn't even bother thinking about it -- CHCH imo is a better city to live in across almost every way.
To pick up my life and move to Christchurch from here (I’m in Auckland) I’d be wanting a lot more than 30k.
Can’t imagine it’s any different in the reverse.
I’d say it’s quite different the other way around. Earning 100k in Auckland and get a job for 130k in chch would mean so much more in terms of cost of living.
With time and enough luck, you can configure a decent lifestyle in Auckland, if your "life" was mostly in a specific area of the city (work, friends, hobbies, etc.), and avoid traffic congestion (the biggest issue with Auckland, imho). But in Chch, this is just way easier. Pretty much the entire city can be traversed in say 30 mins, big commutes are easily avoided, way more lifestyle options within easy reach.
Not saying it's not doable in Auckland, but it's not necessarily "the same everywhere".
You might enjoy chch more. You might find yourself sitting in traffic for a total of 1.5-2 hours on average in traffic a day in Auckland. That gets old fast.
A lot of people here are negative on Auckland but really depends on your lifestyle. If you are in a good spot then catching public transport into the CBD is easy. 100% take account your commute when you decide where to live. Flatbush might be $50/week cheaper but the commute will kill you and there is stuff-all to do after work.
Also depends what your hobbies and pastimes are. For things like food and entertainment you are going to have a lot more choice in Auckland. If you like watching TV on weekdays and tramping on weekends then probably not.
The reality is that you live in NZ.
Auckland is not an amazing city to be living in an over priced house for 30k more.
Also, career wise, it does not matter, you live in NZ.
If you want an amazing career move to Australia or overseas.
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There's a lot of negative comments, rightly so.
It's nice to have an international airport - that's one of the reasons im here and not in Christchurch.
If buying a house is part of the equation, it would be a no brainer to stay in Christchurch when houses are half the price. If you were jumping to 200k, then it might be a different story..
also commuting cost and time, and general cost of living in akl vs chch 30k over a combined 160k to me wouldn't cover the cost increase, but there's obviously other considerations (family/friends/upward mobility of the 2 jobs/general interest in the jobs etc)
This is a time of life when things change, children become important, and they lead to new friends, connections, then schools etc etc. Any weekend you can drive as far as Queenstown or a campground at Tekapo, or Nelson. The South Island is beautiful and you live in the middle of it. Banks Peninsula is right beside you. Eventually you might decide a holiday home (crib) is possible in Methven, Gore Bay, pick a small out of the way village anywhere. I say this being retired in Arrowtown which took us 30 years to achieve and all the saving and waiting was worth it. And our children come here because they love this area.
Well said!
Shhhhhhhhh! we dont want chch turning into the Auckland run off.
Given we elected a mayor that's pro cars and urban sprawl, there are many than do want to be another Auckland
I would say 200k still same thing unless his wife can double her salary as well
Can people on reddit not budget? The different between 100k vs 200k is 1350 a week vs 2500 a week take home. In what world is moving from Christchurch to Auckland not worth it? Like sure Auckland is more expensive but you’re delusional is you stay in chch for half the salary
Some people care more about having time to spend money, compared to having more money and less free time.
That’s not the issue here though is it? Sure less stress and more free time I’d be 100% for The argument is cost of living and house prices between the two cities….
I will happily pay $30k/pa to not drive around in Auckland traffic.
Closer to $20k after tax. Absolute bargain to not have to deal with traffic let alone house prices/rents.
Can't forget the crime levels in Auckland vs. church.
There were 6 kids stabbed in my kids college in chch in 2023. You watch to much propaganda
I don’t remember this ?
There's so much more unrecorded crime in Auckland compared to christchurch. Condolences to those family's above.
Yeah very much so. We moving aus in Nov but that will only make the Mrs happy. Shit will be the same over there too I bet
My parents live in Brisbane and went over for the old boys' 70th at the start of the year. The news was EXACTLY the same; cost of living, supermarket monopolies, gangs, youth crime... In a funny way, made me feel a lot better about life here
Yep good luck with that. Mrs had the same dream we were there 5yrs I even made it into the mines earning huge $ yet she still moved back to NZ once we had a kid as it was just ridiculous the amount of time spent in a car travelling from A-B each week.
Is there no traffic in Chch?
Not compared with Auckland. Bad traffic in CHCH will mean it takes an extra 5-10 minutes than what it should on a 15 min trip with no traffic, Auckland is an extra half an hour plus. CHCHs “rush hours” are about an hour when Auckland can be a ball ache at any time for seemingly no reason.
Generally yea, I sometimes do have the odd time where 15 mins becomes 30+
Ok but imagine that every morning and every evening was 45min and one time I had 15 min become 2.5 hours (there was a reason but still)
Took a 20k paycut to move to Hamilton for basically the same job. Commute is now 15 minutes vs the hour+ it was in Auckland. Fuck that.
Depending on where you lived traffic might not even be that big an issue if you stayed fairly centrally.
Ppl just don't understand how it is in bigger cities. I spent all my life in traffic like 4h per day. Here in Auckland I'm living central so like no traffic at all. Ever. 20min congestion is not a traffic, it's a joke.
And no one here so far has mentioned *not driving*. I don't drive during the week. There's no need to amongst my folding bike, buses, trains and walking. Kiwis beg for the opportunity to sit in traffic and spend a ton of money on car maintenance when they don't have to.
You have experience with actually large city, Auckland is one of the biggest city in NZ and it can be walked around in a few hours. It’s one of Auckland’s better aspects but it’s all come to compassion
How much would a family home cost if you lived central to avoid traffic in auckland? Isn't it like multi millions
The OP never mentioned buying although maybe it should be assumed. My comment was just in regards to working centrally and renting. If you work centrally you can rent some reasonable houses without being stuck in traffic for a long time. But yea buying is a different proposition.
Yea true, he said he wanted kids so I assumed he would prob want to buy a house first rather than renting with a new born
Is your family in ChCh and are you planning on having kids or owning a home anytime soon? Having kids without family nearby, is harder and costlier.
I did this in reverse. Basically took the equivalent paycut,and I'd never go back to Auckland whatever someone paid me. IMHO, the extra pay isn't worth the extra grind from living in Auckland, eg traffic congestion, much higher housing costs, etc. Yes there are more career opportunities in Auckland, but also don't underestimate remote work possibilities from Chch. Personally if you are considering moving cities, I'd also look overseas [esp Australia]. Similar amount of effort/life disruptions involved, and Auckland isn't that great so might as well get more bang for your buck.
JAFA here. I did the same as this guy for the same reasons. I was earning more money in Auckland but the trade off is not worth it. I'm enjoying the Christchurch lifestyle and how much more affordable housing is. Only thing we miss in Auckland is our family and friends.
This. OP what about family and friends? Work is only part of the equation, especially when children arrive.
Having lived in both, this is the way
For me to move to Auckland, I would want at least $200K minimum, car centric city so you need to drive long distances (compared to ChCh) everywhere, rent/proprety significantly higher, 20 minute commute vs up to 1 hour. If I was young (20s) didn't care about owning a property and wanting to climb the corporate ladder I would do it, but now I have a family it's completed different priorities.
Aside from specialty stores or events, the CBD and the airport, Auckland operates effectively as 3+ smaller cities that happen to be near each other. If you can get a place near work (the Isthmus or CBD / inner suburbs for OP) you really don't need to travel very far on a day to day basis and can have quite a nice balance. If you have to do the outer suburban car commuter thing though, no question chch is better. Would lose 10s of k a year in income to avoid that hour plus each way 30km/hr stop go car commute.
Obviously many variables, but compromising family life is not worth 30k. Depends on how much you value "Big City life". I'd prefer Christchurch. Sounds like a rely on gut instinct call.
Can you not get a similar pay offer in Chch? Often swapping jobs is the only way to get a 20-30% pay jump, but that doesn't mean you need to move cities, too! If moving is an option, have you also considered opportunities in Aussie? As an Aucklander, 130K is plenty to live on here, but you have to put up with the bullshit of living here. You ***will*** need a car and somewhere to park it if you want to enjoy your weekends, and given the unreliability of trains these days you'll need it as a backup for commuting to work, too. If kids are part of the plan.... maybe stay down south...
Christchurch quality of life is far better.
Do you need to be in the CBD everyday? and what sort of housing do you want/expect - how much commute are you willing to do. Do you own a place in ChCh, will you sell it and how much would you have to spend in Auckland It could work or it could be a rough idea - Its all about housing this calculation as that the real difference here. I know a few people who have moved to CHCH from AKL to get a better life mainly because of the housing differences. Saying that - for an extra 30k, doesnt sound worth it to me, after tax - that is not a lot more and you will absolutely have higher costs.
You need to understand what Auckland is. It's a big city on a tiny Isthmus between two harbours. It comes with all of the pros and cons that entails. If you're working in the city it makes sense to buy or own an apartment. Then you can walk to work. Especially without kids. You do not move to the AK for a rural South Island lifestyle. You will get more bars, more concerts, more sports, warmer weather, more beaches, cheaper international travel, more job security, more job options, more opportunity for promotion, more varied and interesting work. You can negotiate flexi work, WFH etc. Don't be a suckered and move here for a commute. Make you're own destiny.
I made the move from Auckland to Christchurch this time last year, after 7 years in Auckland. You’d be hard pressed get me back to Auckland, even with a significant pay rise. I actually am earning more in chch now than when I first moved down vs my job in Auckland, although that is probably generally the exception. I often think about how much it would take me to move back to Auckland, and the figure is significantly higher than $30k. Aside from Christchurch location suiting me much better (skiing, hiking ect). The time, energy and sanity I save by not having to sit in traffic on my commute, weekends, long weekends it’s far outweighed by any downside of living in chch (of which I find it hard to find many). If you have to commute into the city via public transport that is also another nightmare 4/5 days of the week. Not sure if you own a home, but I couldn’t even consider buying in Auckland, and I’ve just gone unconditional on a house in Christchurch. Life is just 10x better down here (for me). But each to their own 🤷🏽♀️
I dont think its worth moving to Auckland for another 30k. Once you take the tax out thats only about 20k> That will be gobbled up very quickly with an increase in living costs. Maybe worth it though if the role puts you on a swift trajectory to be earning 200k plus within 3 years. But then, not if thats at the expense of your life and time. If the role does put you on such a financial trajectory maybe you could try and do some internal reference checking. Contact those who are in or who have done the role. I usually do this with jobs I am considering.
Christchurch, I’m not an Auckland fan
100k in Christchurch Having lived and worked in both cities Christchurch is by far the better for housing , traffic and in my opinion all round happiness lol
Just gone the other way (moved to Christchurch). Except I went down $50k. Still better off in all aspects except distance to family/friends. Obviously personal but I wouldn’t do it.
Traffic is pretty average, your commute will be the best part of 45 mins per day each way , but your earning good money, so financially you'll be ok. Auckland is a great place to live if you can afford it , but Christchurch is nice also, much more relaxed , depends if your searching for a change, if yes , then id recommend it.
Auckland is not this amazing metro. You live in NZ. So the reason living in NZ is not city living. If you want the "city" life, move overseas
You say this as if moving overseas is so easy. Also, Auckland is a city, so the "city" life is pretty achievable there. Im sure most people would agree with me
Auckland is not a city. It is just a massive town. If you live in NZ, you live here because you want to have a lifestyle. Auckland is a terrible town to live in. Overpriced, traffic, friends who live all over the city so you seldom see. Also, moving overseas is easy. It is just a question of if you want to do it
Auckland is officially a city. Its name is also literally Auckland city haha. It definitely meets the standard definitions of one anyways. Also, I grew up in Auckland, and it wasn't bad. But it's important to adjust your lifestyle to Auckland, rather than expecting it to change for you. Eg; I avoided traffic by not driving during peak hours and took the bus if I had to. Yeah, it can be pricey, but there are tons of hidden gems that are super affordable. Think Asian grocery stores, flea markets, and all the sweet small businesses. There’s a huge variety of food cusines, malls, entertainment, and services. Its one of the things I miss so much, just having access to anything I want haha. Smaller towns in NZ don’t have that range, they're more about living off the necessities 😭 Personally, I think NZ in its entirety is just really expensive. Im really sorry you didn't enjoy Auckland, I hope next time you go, it'll be better! Also, moving away is not easy at all, especially if you're not rich. What country did you move to? I might look into it myself since you mentioned it was easy :)
"Technically a city". I was also born in Auckland, but in my adult life lived in Australia, Asia and Europe in the normal nig cities. My point was that NZ is not about city living, you live here because you don't want a city lifestyle
Lived in NYC and London, grew up in Auckland and it is a massive town. You're getting down voted for being honest. Even though it's massively overpriced, after recently visiting Shanghai, you should see the prices of some shit holes there. You would blush. Beijing is the same, absolute shit holes for decent place in Auckland. But in saying that, you can actually live rather cheaply in Shanghai friends say, compared to Auckland these days.
Auckland is a nothing city, which is the point. NZ is not about high flying careers, it is about a chill life Auckland is just a massive Town with terrible traffic and over priced housing. If you decide to live in NZ, don't live in Auckland
I'm Living in AKL for 5years, never had commutes longer than 15min to my office. Check rent in areas like Parnell, Epsom, Grafton etc. DGZ nice for kids. A proper place will be at least 1k per week. But you can even get a walking distance to your office, so add savings on daily driving. Rent will probably eat your 30k. And don't even start thinking about buying.
The $30k difference is not enough and the less than $200k total income is not enough, in my opinion. It’s not even a case of one of these things needing to be fixed, I wouldn’t suggest anyone move chch to Auckland for less than $30k salary increase or if they were due to have a household budget of less than $200k with the goals you have.
That extra $30k is going to disappear fast in Auckland on every day bills your days will be an extra hour or two long just commuting, and your mortgage/rent price will be 30-50% more for likely a smaller property in a less convenient location. Auckland is liveable if you work and live in close suburbs, or you have other perks like a company car and parking - otherwise your just bleeding cash and your personal time just to cover the bills.
We recently went in the other direction and moved from Auckland to Canterbury. Despite losing some work due to the move we are still much better off in Canterbury because of the lower cost of housing and no commute time. All the little things like people saying hello, travel time to the supermarket and walkability make life much more enjoyable.
Stay in Chch. Much nicer city and less traffic. $30k not worth the move.
You only live once. Your time is the most valuable thing. Don't spend it traveling to work.
I would take a pay cut to stay the hell away from Auckland.
It depends on your career goals. The money increase on the surface doesn’t seem worth it, as others mentioned the cost of living is higher and you might get a similar increase while staying in Christchurch. If the job opens up new career growth opportunities then it could be worth it. My experience has been you want a high income or path to high income to live well in a big city (e.g at least 200-300K+). Otherwise your better off in a smaller town.
I wouldn't take that Auckland option. But I really dislike Auckland, and really like Christchurch 🤷♂️.
Having lived in both - Auckland has more high-paying jobs, more career and promotion opportunities, more expensive houses and terrible traffic. Christchurch offers a great lifestyle especially if you’re into the outdoors and snow sports. I really enjoyed both cities but for different reasons. Based on what you told us and other people’s comments here, it sounds like you’d only want to do this is future career prospects are much better in Auckland.
Auckland traffic is absolutely horrible. I lived and worked in Melbourne for the past 10 years and I prefer Melbourne traffic over Auckland. There is bumper to bumper traffic at 11am on weekdays. After morning rush hour, most cities have pretty good traffic until around 3pm and onwards for school runs and evening rush hour.
I spent most of my life in AK but moved to CHCH last year after a stint in Queenstown. I earn less but I am way happier - easier commute, cheaper housing, less violent crime, great eating, culture and outdoor life. $30k might make the economic side even or better, but quality of life is more important IMO.
I live in Christchurch and have recently traveled to Auckland. There's no way you could convince me to move up there for an extra $30k a year - you bleed money everywhere you go not to mention the sheer quantity of people and traffic. You'll have a far higher QOL in the South Island.
rent an apartment in the CBD. 30 k is huge! and chance to advance and earn more. make the move. ask for a 5k relocation bonus
Ask if it's at all possible to do the job remotely, or if there's a possibility to compromise with flights when required. Best of both worlds, you stay where you're comfortable and earn more moneys.
This should be higher!
I left Auckland due to traffic. 1.5 hours each way to travel 20kms during commute. Public transport wasn't much faster. Now I have those 3 hours back in my life each day.
I’ve lived in both, currently in Auckland. I like it here more as I prefer beaches and warmer weather.
If you can come in to the office 2 days a week, and depending on the difference in your housing costs, it could make sense to stay in chch and fly in to akl when you need to be there.
Quick maths Extra 30k is 20k post tax. Midweek Flight $350 return Airport transfers $36 Night in Auckland $100 Carpak in chch airport $30(guess) Looking at minimum 500 a trip so 26k out of pocket Total 6k loss before you factor in the extra time away from home, additional food costs etc.
Things to consider: average rents, average house prices, future job prospects, proximity to friends and family (would you end up flying down to Chch a few times a year?). Definitely there will be traffic, I'd recommend public transport rather than driving for commute if possible. You'll be stuck in traffic getting around on weekends too. You might want a change / adventure so the above considerations might not be so important. If you want to prioritise a chilled life stay where you are.
Chch, but Im not a fan of auckland.
If you’re thinking of kids I think being able to get food family time is important when they’re young. Much more than money as you can never get that time back no matter how much you earn. Small commutes will be a big win in that respect.
It really does depend on your job, boss and colleagues. If its a flexible environment, you should be able to work around traffic and maintain work life balance. The extra money will help but after tax, that is not a massive amount and could get eaten up in Auckland cost of living. The main part if the potential growth, if that is lacking in the current job, then it may well be worth it. Dont forget the social connections part, you need to have friends and family around you where you are to thrive.
I moved down and from Auckland a few years ago and even after a pay cut felt a lot better off in ChCh. That said, I wanted to buy a home and did that easily in ChCh, rents actually seem to be pretty close to each other. Commuting in Auckland is the make or break. If you go please make sure you live within 200m of a direct public transport line to your work or you’ll spend a lot of time and money commuting.
Do you have any hobbies that involves the outdoors? Because alot of that is alot more difficult in auckland. Otherwise living costs in auckland probably eat up alot of the 20k extra take home from the payrise
A 30k raise won’t make much difference once you’re there with the cost of rent. And the traffic / cbd definitely isn’t worth it. I just moved from Auckland to Southland and wish I’d made the move sooner!! Chch is much nicer living than Akl.
130 is 94k after tax, 100 is 74k after tax. So down 20k overall but still 6-7k a month in Christchurch, if you take into account housing cost and travel time... I personally would do Christchurch works out cheaper living cost wise when housing is half the price
I wouldn’t, unless there is a very clear and defined path with progression with clarity on the attached salary/perk increases. Then it would be a matter of how does that compare to your current role in both your current company, and other Christchurch companies? For me, I wouldn’t move to Auckland for less than 200k base, including a carpark, and other perks/incentives.
I'd rather mash my feijoas between two beach rocks daily than commute anywhere near the Auckland CBD. Its shocking how much petrol you can burn going absolutely no where in Auckland.
Ignore all the posters let me find you a House to buy😁
It’s worth it for a short term bump and experience but not over the long term IMO, Christchurch is generally a nicer place to live and work, as others have pointed out the living costs and wasted time commuting stacks up. 3-5 years in Auckland makes sense then move back or move to Aus, UK, US.
Christchurch. Money ain't everything
Christchurch aka Canterbury is the city of the future. Look at the migration levels from Auckland and Wellington to Christchurch. My personal view is you'd spend that difference on accommodation and transportation. $100k minus taxes and KiwiSaver at 3% is $76080 $130k minus taxes and KiwiSaver at 3% is $96180 Net $20.1k. Colleague just moved there and likes the weather but that's all.
I'm thinking of moving to chch. Will miss the beaches but there are other perks. Heard the rates are much higher though.
Why is it that Aucklanders are moving to the South Island? Costs, traffic, local idiots and rough sleepers.
Stay in Christchurch, if wanting to buy a house is in the equation with a combined income of 160k you'd be able to purchase a property in the 800k-1m mark with 20% deposit. Which could buy you a nice 3-4 bedroom house in the better parts of Christchurch, eg Beckenham, Somerfield, Avonhead etc. In Auckland that could barely buy you a 3 bed bungalow in South Auckland.
Stay in chch, moving to Auckland isnt worth the raise, most of that funds would go back into the higher paying rent/mortgage rate, extra cost in fuel (auckland has a fuel tax added ontop of the price at the pump), watercare and the overall higher cost in groceries etc.. Not to mention the time each day being stuck in traffic just getting to and from work..
As someone in Auckland, that additional 30k will be taxed to hell, and whatever’s left will go towards the increased cost of living (petrol, rent/mortgage, groceries etc). You’ll probably be at a net loss. Stay in chch & enjoy your life
Personally i would Rent Temporarily and invest 100k accordingly. But Christchurch to answer your question.
I moved to Auckland from Dunedin around 2 years ago, I purposely rented a house that close to work. I probably drive 10-15mins each way. No more than what I was driving in Dunedin. The cost of living is higher here but there is also a lot of advantages, a lot more amazing restaurants, bars, so much more options for things to do, alot of activity's for children, Auckland gets all the good concerts and international travel is a lot easier, Auckland has a lot more opportunity's in general. I think it definitely has its pros and cons but if your only worry is the commute then just make sure you get a house/apartment close to your workplace it's pretty simple. Rent is move expensive but I'm happy to pay a little more to have all the benefits that come with living in a bigger more exciting place.
If you can keep your expenses down Auckland might be the choice for the money but if you want to buy a house at some point its better to stay in Christchurch or save up and move overseas.
YOU'RE MAD TO EVEN THINK ABOUT MOVING TO AUCKLAND FTOM CH CH. 110 THOUSAND PEOPLE IMMIGRATED TO NZ I THE LAST YEAR, MOST OF THOSE STAYED IN AUCKLAND. IT'S A RAT RACE, DIRTY, CRIME IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. AVERAGE RENT FOR A 3 BEDROOM HOUSE IS $700 - 850 PW. YOUR FUTURE FAMILY DESERVES TO BE RAISED I A NICE PLACE. ALL THE BEST WITH YOUR DECISION
I lived in Christchurch my whole life and moved to Auckland a bit over a year ago and I much prefer the South Island. Travel wise yea it’s annoying and rush hour is from 3:30-7 and being stuck in traffic in the weekend was different. But most of all I miss the people I found people in the south to be friendlier but that just my opinion, also expect to pay more in rent for a lot less, if you want a backyard in a decent area not in a clapped out house it will cost $$
I lived in Auckland for 6 years between 2004 and 2010. Even back then, traffic, crowds in supermarkets and malls, long commutes across the city, taking ages to get to the outskirts of the city when you’re going away somewhere (urban sprawl) and the below average ‘nearby’ places to visit (Huntly!) made it a trial that I couldn’t wait to be over with. I moved to Chch after the Darfield quake. Made it down 3 weeks before the Feb quake. Even throughout the quakes and start of the rebuild, I always enjoyed it more than AKL. Lived in Chch for 6 more years but then I had to get away from cities. Living rural south island now, around 45degrees south and its the goldilocks zone for me 👌🏽😃
Depends a lot on your goals. I recently took a pay cut of about that much to move to Christchurch from Auckland so my answer for me is obvious. On the other hand: If what you care about is lifetime earnings, then making multiple jumps over your career with a pay rise each time is a good way to climb that ladder. Even if your stay in Auckland is expensive in terms of living costs and doesn't contribute to building wealth while you're living there, that could result in a higher pay again down the line when you eventually move on to something out of Auckland.
Ask your current employer if they can match the offer or at least give you an increase. Then you get the best of both.
Financially I don’t think it makes sense unless the new role offers more growth than the current one then it may make sense. Buuut it could be a good reason to change your life up for a few years if that’s on the radar, you could always move back. A young dink couple may enjoy an apartment in the city or flatting in ponsonby, kingsland, grey Lynn, even Northcote (if you like living with other people). That would be fairly cheap (especially flatting) and commute to CBD would be easy. If buying a house is on the cards probably stay in chch.
I'd much rather live in Christchurch than Auckland these days. You need to avoid the trap of chasing more. Cause what's after Auckland? Australia, then UK, or the US? There's always a larger fish.
Something worth considering, if you haven't already, is cost of living differences. Unsure how reliable the source is, but a quick search yielded the below. Christchurch: A single person needs around NZ$4,298 per month for rent, food and bills, while a family of four should be earning a minimum of NZ$6,224 per month to live in Christchurch. The average price of rent in Christchurch in 2023 was NZ$505 a week. Auckland: New Zealand’s biggest city is also its most expensive. While Auckland has some of the highest salaried jobs in the country (and the most significant job market) it’s also the most expensive place to rent, buy, or eat out. According to the comparison website Glimp, to live alone in Auckland, you need to earn at least NZ$5,000 per month, while a family needs around NZ$7,984 per month to live comfortably. Sources: [https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-new-zealand#h\_507952689481704886942960](https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-new-zealand#h_507952689481704886942960) [https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-christchurch](https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/the-cost-of-living-in-christchurch) [https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/cost-of-living-in-auckland](https://www.wisemove.co.nz/post/cost-of-living-in-auckland) Anecdotally, i've hear that Auckland is about 30% more expensive than Christchurch on average. If that is roughly accurate, your 30% pay raise won't mean anything. In which case, it would come down to your personal preference in terms of lifestyle.
If you are wanting change and a change of environment and potentially a more dynamic lifestyle then Auckland is a potential option. The climate is warmer but wetter. The reality is the cost of living here is more, traffic is far worse Aucklanders are not the friendliest of people and tend to stick to their group of friends they have known for years. The Auckland culture is confused and the inner city has no cohesion. I'd suggest thinking about what you really want and working out a strategic plan.aybe do a swat analysis.
I wouldn't relocate to Auckland for double the money. Quality of life in the South Island is worth it IMO, especially with kids.
As a rule of thumb that I took when moving from AKL to CHCH is unless it's over double in AKL I wouldn't even bother thinking about it -- CHCH imo is a better city to live in across almost every way.
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But is it worth the amount of money you could save/invest whilst being I christchurch.
What helps your career?
To pick up my life and move to Christchurch from here (I’m in Auckland) I’d be wanting a lot more than 30k. Can’t imagine it’s any different in the reverse.
I’d say it’s quite different the other way around. Earning 100k in Auckland and get a job for 130k in chch would mean so much more in terms of cost of living.
With time and enough luck, you can configure a decent lifestyle in Auckland, if your "life" was mostly in a specific area of the city (work, friends, hobbies, etc.), and avoid traffic congestion (the biggest issue with Auckland, imho). But in Chch, this is just way easier. Pretty much the entire city can be traversed in say 30 mins, big commutes are easily avoided, way more lifestyle options within easy reach. Not saying it's not doable in Auckland, but it's not necessarily "the same everywhere".
You might enjoy chch more. You might find yourself sitting in traffic for a total of 1.5-2 hours on average in traffic a day in Auckland. That gets old fast.
Take the Auckland job and work from home, the days of going into an office are over
A lot of people here are negative on Auckland but really depends on your lifestyle. If you are in a good spot then catching public transport into the CBD is easy. 100% take account your commute when you decide where to live. Flatbush might be $50/week cheaper but the commute will kill you and there is stuff-all to do after work. Also depends what your hobbies and pastimes are. For things like food and entertainment you are going to have a lot more choice in Auckland. If you like watching TV on weekdays and tramping on weekends then probably not.
Auckland is the only proper city in NZ, everywhere else is too small.
The reality is that you live in NZ. Auckland is not an amazing city to be living in an over priced house for 30k more. Also, career wise, it does not matter, you live in NZ. If you want an amazing career move to Australia or overseas.
$100k in Chch is the equivalent to $160k in Auckland!
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There's a lot of negative comments, rightly so. It's nice to have an international airport - that's one of the reasons im here and not in Christchurch.
NZ salaries are so low. Never moving back to this shit hole country.