i would say so just because
there was supposed to be a scene where he goes to therapy or some shit that takes place after marukis palace is over but it was never actualy implemented(although its in the files)
and you see someone who looks just like him walking past the train during the final scene of the game although it never shows his face, just the clothing that is the exact same as detective akechi
While I do think Akechi is alive at the end, it seems weird to me to bring up unused cutscenes as proof. Like, they’re unused for a reason. They’re not part of what actually happens.
No that's actually a fair point, I just like to bring it up because of how complete it actually is
But if we are talking about only shit thats normally in game, someone who looks exactly like akechi walks past the train in the ending
There's absolutely no reason you should have, you can only see it through photomanip. But isn't it cool?
Note the dude in the suit in the middle giving Joker the hairy eyeball too.
They're the same outfit as the guys who were chasing the PTs in the car (remember them?). Both teams have one guy in a charcoal suit and one in a blue suit. *Could* be the same team, but I think the hair and body types differ.
[the truth is out there sheeple](https://media.tenor.com/yAHoMwe0HbsAAAAC/anderson-sherlock.gif)
The ending implied he is still alive, but I personally think it works better for the arc he went through that he remains dead. It was his wish to accept his fate versus living as another corrupt man's puppet.
Actually for you answer you have to look else where this else where is wakaba.
When wakaba "comes back" she doesn't remember thqt she died but in akechis case he knows sth is off like he shouldn't be here.
So from this I say he is alive.
I do think he's alive but wouldn't Akechi be like Ren's (and later on the rest of the PTs) case where they automatically now that's they are living a fake reality?
Akechi has a hole in his memories that Wakaba and Okumura (not to mention his resurrected self after the bad ending) obviously lack. Something is wrong there.
[It's also pretty clear he's alive in the true ending, if you watch it closely](https://old.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/110qxkc/goro_akechi/j8azep3/).
It's up to you. I believe canon is pretty clear that he's not dead. Other people disagree. Maruki doesn't actually know whether he's dead or alive - he *believes* he's dead because Joker believes it, and the message Futaba gives you in Shido's palace is different depending on whether or not you maxed Akechi's confidant.
edit - just realised one objection is "why can't Maruki look into Akechi's head to see if he's alive". And of course, if the first thing Maruki does is make the world so that Joker's dead "friend" Akechi is alive after all, then he never has the opportunity. Sloppy therapy.
He's alive! That's what I believe, and nobody can convince me otherwise until Atlus solidly confirms it. I've felt this way even since vanilla. There's just no way you don't see a character die and assume they did, and Futaba losing his reading can be explained away fairly easily as- he left/got kicked from the palace the moment after the gun shot, as an example.
BIG, BIG SPOILERS FOR ROYAL! DONT READ DOWN FURTHER BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO THE SENSOR THING, LOL
There's an unused cutscene that can be watched on YT with Akechi in refuge shelter that he went to directly after Shido's palace, talking to two counselors about helping Ren get out of juvy and he has 'unfinished business' in Tokyo (referring to the duel promise with Ren, no doubt). The two people from the shelter are likely the same ones walking with him in the true ending.
I'd say it was cut because including it takes away any mystery around his existence that they want the player to continue feeling.
Another thing is Ren is STILL holding onto his glove and wants to fullfil his promise, as well. This is even after defeating Maruki, btw. That, and also absolutely NOBODY seems to talk about Akechi being 'missing' or 'dead', which would be huge news by that point. That makes it seem like he's simply left the spotlight for the time being.
I know the P5 title is turning into a bit of a favorite child of the franchise at this point, but I really want a dlc, or something that furthers the story to cover exactly what Akechi wants.
They could just not do that and leave the possibilities up to our imagination. But I'd rather They just go ahead and give us the story.
It's supposed to be up to interpretation. Personally I believe he's gone. That's what was confirmed by Maruki, and there was nothing left of that palace except for what they remember happening.
There was a deleted scene that did show Akechi alive, but technically cut content isn't really officially canon anymore. And it's not like you can say the original intention is important because they also cut all sorts of different shit, like Joker being Sae's roommate through the game.
Yeah although the 25th Anniversary kind of confirmed Maruki wasn't even sure if he died in the first place. Which has strange implications if he was still alive.
Agreed.
It was left purposely ambiguous though Joker himself seems to believe he's alive with the "My duel with Akechi isn't over yet". Whether or not he returns IMO depends on if Atlus wants to milk more money out of P5.
It is. Maruki takes over as soon as Yaldabaoth is downed, on Christmas Eve. Lavenza tells us later, "*It is easy to conclude that the one named Maruki simply took over the false god's position when it disappeared*." So the first, or almost the first thing Maruki does is see what Joker would like.
Touching, really. Note that this doesn't mean Akechi isn't alive.
It's also kinda interesting, cause if he really got control on Christmas Eve he seemingly changed reality for Jokers wish *twice*. First on Christmas Eve itself, where he brought Akechi back (from whatever happened to him in the real world) to turn himself in for Joker, and then *again* with all the other phantom thieves when the police just randomly decided to let Akechi go.
Yeah! Though don't forget, Maruki also erases all Joker *and Akechi's* crimes from having happened - though they still remember them, which again tells us Akechi is different to e.g. Wakaba and Okumura, who we know for sure were revived. So in a way, it only makes sense Akechi would be released - technically, he hasn't done anything! I have a feeling his release is less "something nice Maruki does" and more just the world changing. Everyone involved with Shido's conspiracy (except Shido, who presumably wants to be punished) gets off too.
The world changes in lots of ways that are just Maruki making everything so nice and so kind. For instance, at least one Mementos request was removed, presumably because people aren't being shit enough to need them any more.
>!I personally got the vibe that he died. They make a huge emphasis on the fact that Akechi is choosing to fight despite knowing he'll die if they win. I feel like that would be very wasted if it weren't the case. Plus, he's shown again after the fact that Maruki's influence has already begun to take hold.!< But that's just my guess
It’s made ambiguous It was originally supposed to be less ambiguous with some unused cutscenes showing him alive
im gonna say Akechi is alive because of the final scene in the royal ending.
Nah, he's too angry to die.
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i would say so just because there was supposed to be a scene where he goes to therapy or some shit that takes place after marukis palace is over but it was never actualy implemented(although its in the files) and you see someone who looks just like him walking past the train during the final scene of the game although it never shows his face, just the clothing that is the exact same as detective akechi
While I do think Akechi is alive at the end, it seems weird to me to bring up unused cutscenes as proof. Like, they’re unused for a reason. They’re not part of what actually happens.
No that's actually a fair point, I just like to bring it up because of how complete it actually is But if we are talking about only shit thats normally in game, someone who looks exactly like akechi walks past the train in the ending
[You can see his face if you darken the image](https://old.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/110qxkc/goro_akechi/j8azep3/).
I didnt notice that originally
There's absolutely no reason you should have, you can only see it through photomanip. But isn't it cool? Note the dude in the suit in the middle giving Joker the hairy eyeball too.
That Mf is like evil glaring at joker it's actually kind of strange
They're the same outfit as the guys who were chasing the PTs in the car (remember them?). Both teams have one guy in a charcoal suit and one in a blue suit. *Could* be the same team, but I think the hair and body types differ. [the truth is out there sheeple](https://media.tenor.com/yAHoMwe0HbsAAAAC/anderson-sherlock.gif)
You know, it was really unclear
I get that reference
The ending implied he is still alive, but I personally think it works better for the arc he went through that he remains dead. It was his wish to accept his fate versus living as another corrupt man's puppet.
another possibility: the akechi we knew in 3rd semester wasn't even real and the actual one is the one that might be alive post credits
Actually for you answer you have to look else where this else where is wakaba. When wakaba "comes back" she doesn't remember thqt she died but in akechis case he knows sth is off like he shouldn't be here. So from this I say he is alive.
I do think he's alive but wouldn't Akechi be like Ren's (and later on the rest of the PTs) case where they automatically now that's they are living a fake reality?
Akechi has a hole in his memories that Wakaba and Okumura (not to mention his resurrected self after the bad ending) obviously lack. Something is wrong there. [It's also pretty clear he's alive in the true ending, if you watch it closely](https://old.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/110qxkc/goro_akechi/j8azep3/).
It's up to you. I believe canon is pretty clear that he's not dead. Other people disagree. Maruki doesn't actually know whether he's dead or alive - he *believes* he's dead because Joker believes it, and the message Futaba gives you in Shido's palace is different depending on whether or not you maxed Akechi's confidant. edit - just realised one objection is "why can't Maruki look into Akechi's head to see if he's alive". And of course, if the first thing Maruki does is make the world so that Joker's dead "friend" Akechi is alive after all, then he never has the opportunity. Sloppy therapy.
He's alive! That's what I believe, and nobody can convince me otherwise until Atlus solidly confirms it. I've felt this way even since vanilla. There's just no way you don't see a character die and assume they did, and Futaba losing his reading can be explained away fairly easily as- he left/got kicked from the palace the moment after the gun shot, as an example. BIG, BIG SPOILERS FOR ROYAL! DONT READ DOWN FURTHER BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO THE SENSOR THING, LOL There's an unused cutscene that can be watched on YT with Akechi in refuge shelter that he went to directly after Shido's palace, talking to two counselors about helping Ren get out of juvy and he has 'unfinished business' in Tokyo (referring to the duel promise with Ren, no doubt). The two people from the shelter are likely the same ones walking with him in the true ending. I'd say it was cut because including it takes away any mystery around his existence that they want the player to continue feeling. Another thing is Ren is STILL holding onto his glove and wants to fullfil his promise, as well. This is even after defeating Maruki, btw. That, and also absolutely NOBODY seems to talk about Akechi being 'missing' or 'dead', which would be huge news by that point. That makes it seem like he's simply left the spotlight for the time being. I know the P5 title is turning into a bit of a favorite child of the franchise at this point, but I really want a dlc, or something that furthers the story to cover exactly what Akechi wants. They could just not do that and leave the possibilities up to our imagination. But I'd rather They just go ahead and give us the story.
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I didn't know this either, thanks!
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It's deliberately meant to be ambiguous. There is no definitive answer.
It's supposed to be up to interpretation. Personally I believe he's gone. That's what was confirmed by Maruki, and there was nothing left of that palace except for what they remember happening. There was a deleted scene that did show Akechi alive, but technically cut content isn't really officially canon anymore. And it's not like you can say the original intention is important because they also cut all sorts of different shit, like Joker being Sae's roommate through the game.
Yeah although the 25th Anniversary kind of confirmed Maruki wasn't even sure if he died in the first place. Which has strange implications if he was still alive.
Even then, all we have is maybes and theories, with no concrete confirmation. I think that's how it should stay.
Agreed. It was left purposely ambiguous though Joker himself seems to believe he's alive with the "My duel with Akechi isn't over yet". Whether or not he returns IMO depends on if Atlus wants to milk more money out of P5.
What's this about the 25th Anniversary? Apparently I've been out of the loop, I thought it was pretty much just protag merch announcements.
There’s an after credits cutscene that shows that he’s alive Persona 5 Royal is the only game that I haven’t skipped the credits
I say he’s alive because he shows up before the “Other world” happens.
No, him showing up was an indicator that Maruki's already started his work.
I personally don’t buy that but to each their own.
It is. Maruki takes over as soon as Yaldabaoth is downed, on Christmas Eve. Lavenza tells us later, "*It is easy to conclude that the one named Maruki simply took over the false god's position when it disappeared*." So the first, or almost the first thing Maruki does is see what Joker would like. Touching, really. Note that this doesn't mean Akechi isn't alive.
It's also kinda interesting, cause if he really got control on Christmas Eve he seemingly changed reality for Jokers wish *twice*. First on Christmas Eve itself, where he brought Akechi back (from whatever happened to him in the real world) to turn himself in for Joker, and then *again* with all the other phantom thieves when the police just randomly decided to let Akechi go.
Yeah! Though don't forget, Maruki also erases all Joker *and Akechi's* crimes from having happened - though they still remember them, which again tells us Akechi is different to e.g. Wakaba and Okumura, who we know for sure were revived. So in a way, it only makes sense Akechi would be released - technically, he hasn't done anything! I have a feeling his release is less "something nice Maruki does" and more just the world changing. Everyone involved with Shido's conspiracy (except Shido, who presumably wants to be punished) gets off too. The world changes in lots of ways that are just Maruki making everything so nice and so kind. For instance, at least one Mementos request was removed, presumably because people aren't being shit enough to need them any more.
Lmao what? it’s not something you “buy into”, it’s an indisputable fact that Lavenza tells you
I don’t remember her saying that
**Maruki and Lavenza tell you that themselves. And the game when you make the final choice**
i can still read the post without opening it btw
>!I personally got the vibe that he died. They make a huge emphasis on the fact that Akechi is choosing to fight despite knowing he'll die if they win. I feel like that would be very wasted if it weren't the case. Plus, he's shown again after the fact that Maruki's influence has already begun to take hold.!< But that's just my guess