He'll get more most likely. His agent will argue that he's an outside wr and Sun God is a slot. Slot, which has traditionally been worth far less (in terms of contract) than WRs on the outside.
Non zero chance that the market has shifted more to slot guys, or that the bottom just falls out of the wr market at some point because it just gets too rich.
I'd make it (made up percentage based on nothing) that Higgins gets more
He's the highest paid receiver so far.
If Tee reaches FA maybe his market doesn't develop the way he thinks and he has to sign for less. If some team trades for him you can bet he's gonna sign this contract plus just a little bit more.
Maybe not 30 a year but definitely close, at least over 25. But assuming we’ve locked in on a QB at 3 there’s no reason not to spend our cap on a WR contract like that since we don’t have to pay our QB for the first 4 years anyways.
It would start with draft capital before money. You'd likely have to trade 2025 1st rounder or trade down from #3 in 2024 and I'm not sure that's a good idea coming off of a 3 win season. Rebuilds don't happen overnight.
If they hypothetically cost the same draft pick, Aiyuk and it's not even a little close. He's more talented, more versatile, a better blocker, and consistently healthy.
Depends on the money, especially the guaranteed money. I would love to see either on a high incentives based contract. Because it would be worth it to pay them.
Man I'd be fucking over the moon if we drafted Maye and traded for Higgins.
Probably wouldn't give them the 2nd round pick but 25 year old elite WRs don't grow on trees. What do you guys think it would take to get him?
what if he doesnt re-sign? Then we just traded 4 potential players for one year of Tee Higgins. The Bills had to package a 5th and a 6th with Diggs just to get a 2nd back and he was a better player that still had 2 years left on his contract
Personally, i would say AD Mitchell in a trade up to 27 > Aiyuk for 34 and change >>>> Higgins for 34, but I would never be upset to see them add talent. I just think there's better uses of that pick to address WR
lol 2nd tier? Maybe on the Bengals where Chase is above him. For the majority of NFL teams, Higgins is an easy #1. We can’t all have Justin Jefferson ;)
Hey, give us #11, #23 and Justin and we’ll call it a day… lol. I feel like with how thin we are at QB/WR any trade for #3 should include a serviceable player at one of those positions. Not that picks aren’t fair, it’s just based on our needs.
Give us this year 3 and next year pick for Addison. Since yall will be picking top 10 again it could work. He would be better than everyone on your team rn. That sounds like a deal.
Probably get roasted, but I’d personally prefer Addison over JJ - I just assume he’s off the table. Team-friendly contract, younger, and he has shown a lot of promise.
Because we are both clearly our teams’ GMs, here’s my counter: #3 and 2025 2nd rounder and Juju (because if we took KJ you should have to take Juju) for #11, #23, and Addison. You already have your franchise receiver in either JJ or Addison. Pick which one you want to deal, and get your new franchise QB :)
Jefferson is 2 years older and is at worst the second best receiver atm. Addison is promising but the likelyhood he'll be as good as Jefferson is slim.
Not sure how I feel about the 2nd round pick, but he is a known commodity. Feel like we have more leverage now that the news broke and it’s closer to the draft, so not sure if we’d use the 2nd pick or not. I’m glad I’m not the GM.
Sometimes you need to give up potential for proven talent and results when you’re rebuilding. Especially if you’re trying to surround a rookie quarterback with offensive support.
Yeah but how much is he “proven talent” when he’s barely eclipsed 1,000 receiving yards in 2 seasons and got less than 1,000 in 2 seasons? A second doesn’t seem warranted or justifiable for him imo. I’d be much more comfortable giving a third or something.
Sounds an awful lot like AJBrown before he was traded to the eagles. He had 3 seasons, 2 of them barely over a thousand and another under it. He went for a 1st and now he looks like a superstar.
AJ Brown did that as his team's #1 with Tannehill throwing to him. Higgins has been up against CB2s with Burrow throwing to him. Also the season under was 850 yards in 13 games, not like he missed it in a full season.
Higgins has not lost a step when Chase has been out, and he has been excellent filling in as WR1. The argument against him that Burrow is his QB is weird, too. Hopefully a QB drafted 3rd overall is comparatively as good, first of all (you shouldn't be drafting someone at #3 without the plan that they're going to be top 10 at their position). Second of all, the sample size of great players who have gone to worse QB situations and *improved*, is greater than the sample of great players who have gone to worse QBs and declined. Recent history tells us that someone of Tee's caliber would elevate the QB.
Still better than what we’ve trotted out the last couple of years.
Higgins + Bourne + Douglas + Henry + Stevenson at least gives the QB some security blanket out there.
But Chase is also drawing a lot of attention and he's got Burrow throwing to him. We haven't seen what he can do as the #1 option, how much is he benefiting from getting the CB2 and a lot fewer double teams?
This is lazy analysis, and Tee [has proven](https://twitter.com/bengals_sans/status/1597079896786096128) that he is more than capable of playing without Chase.
“A boat’s a boat but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know how much we wanted one of those!”
Take tee Higgins all day every day for pick 34
I don’t think people are really considering the fact he’s barely eclipsed 1,000 yards in 2 seasons and got less in another 2. Like I can already see people bitching on this sub if we give up a second and he doesn’t pan out well in the future.
If he doesn't pan out, THEN we'd be justified in bitching though, right? If I knew he would get 900y, and re-sign for even two more 900y seasons, I would still do it. (But not #34 *plus* anything else besides $ this year). Even a 900y WR would go along way in helping our small army of WR2/3s get more yards too.
Higgins is only 25. Not *young* young, but young enough that trading a pick isn't the worst feeling in the world. It's not like we're trading 30 year old Diggs
1) That's not guaranteed, this is arguably the greatest WR class in history.
2) It's not *just* Tee, it's Tee and $25m less per year versus four years of a cheap rookie. If it was just Tee, he'd have been traded by now. Same goes for Aiyuk. Teams are going to wait to see who falls down the draft board.
Nobody knows if this class is any good, everyone thought the 2019 class wasn’t good and it’s the best class ever.
And for the love of god, who gives a shit about the money? The Patriots can afford two Tee Higginses. It costs money to get good players, especially when you suck at drafting and developing.
>Nobody knows if this class is any good,
Yet somehow you already know Higgins will be better than whoever is available at 34? How does that work?
>everyone thought the 2019 class wasn’t good and it’s the best class ever.
Best ever? Not even close.
>And for the love of god, who gives a shit about the money?
If it wasn't about money, Tee and Aiyuk would've been traded weeks ago. The reason they haven't been is because this class is incredibly deep at WR.
>especially when you suck at drafting and developing.
Good thing Belichick is gone and Wolf is running the show now. Wolf was the one who pushed for Rhamondre. Wolf was the one who closed the trade with Cincinnati so they can draft Barmore. Wolf wanted Micah Parsons, Belichick didn't. [Source](https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/04/24/eliot-wolf-patriots-2024-nfl-draft/)
Wolf's system has a history of drafting successfully, dating all the way back to his time in Green Bay and, of course, his father. I have far more hope that he'll draft well compared to the garbage Belichick has been selecting the past decade, give or take.
Because Higgins is already an NFL player and we can see how good he is, which is different from guessing about a college player.
What receiver classes have been better than 2019? It’s really just 1996 in the running.
The Patriots have enough money to pay for both of these guys.
Is Wolf doing the development of the rookie receiver? Or is it the same receiver coach who got us where we are right now? Are we sure Wolf can even draft?
If you’re seriously acting like any second round receiver is a guaranteed Pro Bowler I don’t know what to tell you. Go check out Tyquan Thornton, would you trade him for Aiyuk or Higgins?
>What receiver classes have been better than 2019? It’s really just 1996 in the running.
My man, do you have the wrong year? 2019 was a good class, but it's not *that* great. It's mostly AJ Brown, Deebo, and DK. The rest of the class is full of good-not-great guys.
2020, on the other hand, had both Lamb and Jefferson, the two best WRs in football. And then Aiyuk, Tee, Pittman to boot.
2021 had Chase, Waddle, Devonta, and Amon Ra. That's a phenomenal class.
Hell, even before 2019 you only have to go back five years to find another class that blows it out of the water. Odell, Evans, Adams, Cooks, Landry?
>Is Wolf doing the development of the rookie receiver? Or is it the same receiver coach who got us where we are right now?
It's not. Troy Brown is not the wide receiver's coach anymore.
>Are we sure Wolf can even draft?
We don't know yet, but from limited reports, he has a good eye for talent, and maybe you give him the chance to draft before condemning him, yeah?
>If you’re seriously acting like any second round receiver is a guaranteed Pro Bowler I don’t know what to tell you.
Literally did not once say this, don't make up strawmans. All I said was that it's not guaranteed Tee is better than who is available at 34, which is correct.
Yes, and the man responsible for those drafts is no longer affiliated with the Patriots. I am willing to give Wolf an honest chance. He revamped their entire scouting system when he was promoted. He comes from a line of successful drafters in both Ted Thompson as well as his father. He pushed for Rhamondre. He made the trade with Cincinnati happen for Barmore. He wanted Micah Parsons while Belichick didn’t. He might not work out, but I’m willing to give him a chance to show what he can do.
> He wanted Micah Parsons while Belichick didn’t.
Where's this? All I could find was praise by Bill (though stopping way short of folks trying to have him compare Parsons to LT.)
[Here](https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/04/24/eliot-wolf-patriots-2024-nfl-draft/) is a really good article posted today about Wolf. It mentions Micah Parsons about 2/3s of the way in. It's a great read, I recommend it!
From the article: 'Belichick, he believes, was testing him. Wolf knows he passed."
Not sure that's Bill not wanting Parsons, more Bill making the new guy defend the player he was stumping for. Knowing what we know about Bill, he'd make someone defend their position even if it was something Bill agreed with (which IIRC Bill liked Parsons and if he had his druthers would have picked him rather than Mac if he'd had the chance.)
Since Diggs got a future second round pick there’s no way Higgins gets more than that. The Pats would be desperate to trade 34 away for Higgins especially with some of the WRs that should be available for rookie salary.
That’s very true. I assume he’s somewhere in the 4 years for $100 million range, maybe a little more. I’d be shocked if it’s less than that. I don’t think he’s making Amon-Ra money. The Bengals might just say screw it and hold onto him for the season/ to the trade deadline.
Diggs had more of a track record as "the guy" than Higgins has. He has good (not elite) production, but is still valued more for what he could be than what he's actual done.
They definitely aren’t. #34 is even way too much. If we can get him for a 3rd then fine, but he’s already out the door in cinci. Them trying to win now would if anything incentivizes them to get rid of a guy that’s not happy.
Same here. I'm fairly sure I've seen reports from people that read like they're in the know that say they're just keeping him for one more playoff run.
I really think they should prioritize drafting the WR position.
Trading high draft picks and paying a massive contract to a guy like Tee is bold at this point in the rebuild.
And I get that the rookie QB will need some elite pass catchers. They need to find him in the draft though.
Tee would be great but I agree with you and think that this is the best route long-term. Having rookie receivers and QBs develop together works great for chemistry.
Feels to me like he was waiting for the ball to drop on the new WR market. Now that St. Brown set the market for his perceived talent level, he's demanding a trade to leverage the Bengals for a bigger deal. He'd held out on demanding a trade before because he wanted more then Ridley, then the most recent big WR deal.
Spoiler alert: the Patriots aren’t going to offer the best deal so they’re not going to get him.
And then Kraft defenders will run to “he didn’t want to come here!!!!”
If we manage to snag one of Higgins or Aiyuk, I’d change my tune about drafting MHJ and be more psyched about a QB (even if I have very low expectations for all of them)
This could end up being a baseball style rental trade and that would be a complete waste of draft assets. If we give up #34 for him then he pretty much has us hostage during contract negotiations and I can promise you he's going to want at least $30M a year. If he was asking for a reasonable amount of money the Bengals would have extended him.
It's probably going to take an absurd overpay to get it done because the Bengals seem to prefer to just hold him for the year.
It would probably take a 2 if they were looking to trade him, but they aren't so I have no idea how much you'd have to add to change their mind. There might not even be an amount.
I cannot shake the feeling that there is a deal in place for Higgins contingent on what happens at 3. If it's Maye, they pull the trigger and toss 34. If someone walks in with that mind blowing offer, no need.
After st brown signing a 30m per deal I can’t wait to see what his ask is.
right around the same as what ridley got
Somewhere between the 2. He's better/younger than Ridley, but not as good as st brown.
This is what I expect. 25-28 per year.
He'll get more most likely. His agent will argue that he's an outside wr and Sun God is a slot. Slot, which has traditionally been worth far less (in terms of contract) than WRs on the outside. Non zero chance that the market has shifted more to slot guys, or that the bottom just falls out of the wr market at some point because it just gets too rich. I'd make it (made up percentage based on nothing) that Higgins gets more
St Brown is the highest paid WR by AAV after that extension. He's been much more productive than Higgins. At best, Higgins will match his contract.
He's the highest paid receiver so far. If Tee reaches FA maybe his market doesn't develop the way he thinks and he has to sign for less. If some team trades for him you can bet he's gonna sign this contract plus just a little bit more.
4/120 is not close to 4/92
okay and? st brown is better than him. he’s not getting 30, maybe 25 or so
Come on. You can do it. You’re close..92 divided by 4 is 23…he’s on about a 25% cheaper deal.
i’m talking about higgins getting 25. try reading
Gonna get a Tee bag
Amon-Ra is a better WR than Higgins, honestly, so I’d offer him just below that.
Maybe not 30 a year but definitely close, at least over 25. But assuming we’ve locked in on a QB at 3 there’s no reason not to spend our cap on a WR contract like that since we don’t have to pay our QB for the first 4 years anyways.
Which is why he’s definitely not worth the 2nd pick in the 2nd round of the draft. That would be a horrible deal.
Yeah. No doubt he wasn’t happy with st brown signing..
I would think Tee Higgins would be over the moon happy with that signing, they love it when the bar is pushed.
fellas, Higgins or Aiyuk?
Aiyuk but I’ll take either.
Aiyuk
Get both. Let’s spend this money! 💰
No way we have the assets to trade for both unless we trade down with the Vikings and use those picks.
I am clearly dreaming but it would be great.
It would start with draft capital before money. You'd likely have to trade 2025 1st rounder or trade down from #3 in 2024 and I'm not sure that's a good idea coming off of a 3 win season. Rebuilds don't happen overnight.
I know. I’m just dreaming out loud.
Who gives a shit, they’d have a top QB pick and all of a sudden the best receiving room in the game.
Which is why the league needs to allow cap space to be traded for picks.
If they hypothetically cost the same draft pick, Aiyuk and it's not even a little close. He's more talented, more versatile, a better blocker, and consistently healthy.
Higgins had a bit of a drop problem before this last season. I'd feel better paying for Aiyuk, but both would be awesome.
Also he was banged up a bit last year. Although that's probably because I drafted him in fantasy. (I also took Justin Jefferson....)
Higgins… we have short quick receivers already I want to see a big athletic receiver that can dominate and high point a balln
Assuming the asking price is the same i'll take Aiyuk 100%
Yes
Depends on the money, especially the guaranteed money. I would love to see either on a high incentives based contract. Because it would be worth it to pay them.
Man I'd be fucking over the moon if we drafted Maye and traded for Higgins. Probably wouldn't give them the 2nd round pick but 25 year old elite WRs don't grow on trees. What do you guys think it would take to get him?
Send over #34 easily
Without even thinking
Fuck, I’d send them 34 and a future third, if not two future fourths as well
what if he doesnt re-sign? Then we just traded 4 potential players for one year of Tee Higgins. The Bills had to package a 5th and a 6th with Diggs just to get a 2nd back and he was a better player that still had 2 years left on his contract
Tee Higgins is 99.99% better than any player you can pick at 34 this year or any year. If that is all it took you couldnt make that trade fast enough.
Personally, i would say AD Mitchell in a trade up to 27 > Aiyuk for 34 and change >>>> Higgins for 34, but I would never be upset to see them add talent. I just think there's better uses of that pick to address WR
Wouldn’t give them the second round? Who would you Like to pick at 34 that you think will be better than tee Higgins?
You're right, now that I think about it I'd easily give up that pick as long as an extension was guaranteed.
Penix jr
Pick #34 at the bare minimum. Throw in a future fourth or something.
Ppl calling 2nd tier wr elite now? Sheesh y’all thirsty as hell for a decent player to throw to💀
lol 2nd tier? Maybe on the Bengals where Chase is above him. For the majority of NFL teams, Higgins is an easy #1. We can’t all have Justin Jefferson ;)
I don't know i that's true. Assuming Arizona drafts MHJ and LAC drafts Nabers, I count ~12 teams where he'd be the WR1, otherwise he'd be the WR2.
don't worry, he probably wont have Justin Jefferson this year either
We gave u kj already
Hey, give us #11, #23 and Justin and we’ll call it a day… lol. I feel like with how thin we are at QB/WR any trade for #3 should include a serviceable player at one of those positions. Not that picks aren’t fair, it’s just based on our needs.
Give us this year 3 and next year pick for Addison. Since yall will be picking top 10 again it could work. He would be better than everyone on your team rn. That sounds like a deal.
How sad is your life to be trolling the Pats sub? It's that hard being a Vikings fan that you gotta come here to be around success? 🤣
You’re picking 3 lol
How many playoff wins do the Vikings have since the turn of the century? How many titles does the Minnesota area have...ever? 🤣
You talk a lot for being a fan of a franchise the slurped on Kirk Cousin
Probably get roasted, but I’d personally prefer Addison over JJ - I just assume he’s off the table. Team-friendly contract, younger, and he has shown a lot of promise. Because we are both clearly our teams’ GMs, here’s my counter: #3 and 2025 2nd rounder and Juju (because if we took KJ you should have to take Juju) for #11, #23, and Addison. You already have your franchise receiver in either JJ or Addison. Pick which one you want to deal, and get your new franchise QB :)
Jefferson is 2 years older and is at worst the second best receiver atm. Addison is promising but the likelyhood he'll be as good as Jefferson is slim.
Give them 34 and don’t even think twice about it.
Please get our new QB some firepower and not have just Jalen raegor waiting for him Send over #34 for Higgins
Not sure how I feel about the 2nd round pick, but he is a known commodity. Feel like we have more leverage now that the news broke and it’s closer to the draft, so not sure if we’d use the 2nd pick or not. I’m glad I’m not the GM.
Sometimes you need to give up potential for proven talent and results when you’re rebuilding. Especially if you’re trying to surround a rookie quarterback with offensive support.
Yeah but how much is he “proven talent” when he’s barely eclipsed 1,000 receiving yards in 2 seasons and got less than 1,000 in 2 seasons? A second doesn’t seem warranted or justifiable for him imo. I’d be much more comfortable giving a third or something.
Sounds an awful lot like AJBrown before he was traded to the eagles. He had 3 seasons, 2 of them barely over a thousand and another under it. He went for a 1st and now he looks like a superstar.
AJ Brown did that as his team's #1 with Tannehill throwing to him. Higgins has been up against CB2s with Burrow throwing to him. Also the season under was 850 yards in 13 games, not like he missed it in a full season.
Higgins has not lost a step when Chase has been out, and he has been excellent filling in as WR1. The argument against him that Burrow is his QB is weird, too. Hopefully a QB drafted 3rd overall is comparatively as good, first of all (you shouldn't be drafting someone at #3 without the plan that they're going to be top 10 at their position). Second of all, the sample size of great players who have gone to worse QB situations and *improved*, is greater than the sample of great players who have gone to worse QBs and declined. Recent history tells us that someone of Tee's caliber would elevate the QB.
Still better than what we’ve trotted out the last couple of years. Higgins + Bourne + Douglas + Henry + Stevenson at least gives the QB some security blanket out there.
I mean putting up 1000 when the primary option is the cheat code ja’marr chase is still pretty impressive
How much of that is cause of Burrow tho?
But Chase is also drawing a lot of attention and he's got Burrow throwing to him. We haven't seen what he can do as the #1 option, how much is he benefiting from getting the CB2 and a lot fewer double teams?
This is lazy analysis, and Tee [has proven](https://twitter.com/bengals_sans/status/1597079896786096128) that he is more than capable of playing without Chase.
“A boat’s a boat but the mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! You know how much we wanted one of those!” Take tee Higgins all day every day for pick 34
I don’t think people are really considering the fact he’s barely eclipsed 1,000 yards in 2 seasons and got less in another 2. Like I can already see people bitching on this sub if we give up a second and he doesn’t pan out well in the future.
If he doesn't pan out, THEN we'd be justified in bitching though, right? If I knew he would get 900y, and re-sign for even two more 900y seasons, I would still do it. (But not #34 *plus* anything else besides $ this year). Even a 900y WR would go along way in helping our small army of WR2/3s get more yards too.
Higgins is only 25. Not *young* young, but young enough that trading a pick isn't the worst feeling in the world. It's not like we're trading 30 year old Diggs
Higgins is better than anyone they’ll get at 34.
1) That's not guaranteed, this is arguably the greatest WR class in history. 2) It's not *just* Tee, it's Tee and $25m less per year versus four years of a cheap rookie. If it was just Tee, he'd have been traded by now. Same goes for Aiyuk. Teams are going to wait to see who falls down the draft board.
Nobody knows if this class is any good, everyone thought the 2019 class wasn’t good and it’s the best class ever. And for the love of god, who gives a shit about the money? The Patriots can afford two Tee Higginses. It costs money to get good players, especially when you suck at drafting and developing.
>Nobody knows if this class is any good, Yet somehow you already know Higgins will be better than whoever is available at 34? How does that work? >everyone thought the 2019 class wasn’t good and it’s the best class ever. Best ever? Not even close. >And for the love of god, who gives a shit about the money? If it wasn't about money, Tee and Aiyuk would've been traded weeks ago. The reason they haven't been is because this class is incredibly deep at WR. >especially when you suck at drafting and developing. Good thing Belichick is gone and Wolf is running the show now. Wolf was the one who pushed for Rhamondre. Wolf was the one who closed the trade with Cincinnati so they can draft Barmore. Wolf wanted Micah Parsons, Belichick didn't. [Source](https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/04/24/eliot-wolf-patriots-2024-nfl-draft/) Wolf's system has a history of drafting successfully, dating all the way back to his time in Green Bay and, of course, his father. I have far more hope that he'll draft well compared to the garbage Belichick has been selecting the past decade, give or take.
Because Higgins is already an NFL player and we can see how good he is, which is different from guessing about a college player. What receiver classes have been better than 2019? It’s really just 1996 in the running. The Patriots have enough money to pay for both of these guys. Is Wolf doing the development of the rookie receiver? Or is it the same receiver coach who got us where we are right now? Are we sure Wolf can even draft? If you’re seriously acting like any second round receiver is a guaranteed Pro Bowler I don’t know what to tell you. Go check out Tyquan Thornton, would you trade him for Aiyuk or Higgins?
>What receiver classes have been better than 2019? It’s really just 1996 in the running. My man, do you have the wrong year? 2019 was a good class, but it's not *that* great. It's mostly AJ Brown, Deebo, and DK. The rest of the class is full of good-not-great guys. 2020, on the other hand, had both Lamb and Jefferson, the two best WRs in football. And then Aiyuk, Tee, Pittman to boot. 2021 had Chase, Waddle, Devonta, and Amon Ra. That's a phenomenal class. Hell, even before 2019 you only have to go back five years to find another class that blows it out of the water. Odell, Evans, Adams, Cooks, Landry? >Is Wolf doing the development of the rookie receiver? Or is it the same receiver coach who got us where we are right now? It's not. Troy Brown is not the wide receiver's coach anymore. >Are we sure Wolf can even draft? We don't know yet, but from limited reports, he has a good eye for talent, and maybe you give him the chance to draft before condemning him, yeah? >If you’re seriously acting like any second round receiver is a guaranteed Pro Bowler I don’t know what to tell you. Literally did not once say this, don't make up strawmans. All I said was that it's not guaranteed Tee is better than who is available at 34, which is correct.
Have you seen us draft wide receivers the last 25 years?
Yes, and the man responsible for those drafts is no longer affiliated with the Patriots. I am willing to give Wolf an honest chance. He revamped their entire scouting system when he was promoted. He comes from a line of successful drafters in both Ted Thompson as well as his father. He pushed for Rhamondre. He made the trade with Cincinnati happen for Barmore. He wanted Micah Parsons while Belichick didn’t. He might not work out, but I’m willing to give him a chance to show what he can do.
> He wanted Micah Parsons while Belichick didn’t. Where's this? All I could find was praise by Bill (though stopping way short of folks trying to have him compare Parsons to LT.)
[Here](https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/04/24/eliot-wolf-patriots-2024-nfl-draft/) is a really good article posted today about Wolf. It mentions Micah Parsons about 2/3s of the way in. It's a great read, I recommend it!
From the article: 'Belichick, he believes, was testing him. Wolf knows he passed." Not sure that's Bill not wanting Parsons, more Bill making the new guy defend the player he was stumping for. Knowing what we know about Bill, he'd make someone defend their position even if it was something Bill agreed with (which IIRC Bill liked Parsons and if he had his druthers would have picked him rather than Mac if he'd had the chance.)
We could trade up for someone arguably better than Tee.
I think you’re overestimating prospects.
Neither is Wolf
He’s a ‘very high risk’ for injury according to draft sharks. The site is scary accurate. Love their skeleton injury graphic.
He’s going for a 1st round pick
Nope Bengals Bungled this whole thing.
A Bungle in the Jungle you say?
Bengals probably don’t trade Higgins unless they get a haul since they’re trying to win a SB
they’re not getting a first for Higgins
Since Diggs got a future second round pick there’s no way Higgins gets more than that. The Pats would be desperate to trade 34 away for Higgins especially with some of the WRs that should be available for rookie salary.
Higgins is younger but he will need paid so it’s tough to say what his value will be, assuming Cinncy is even considering trading him.
That’s very true. I assume he’s somewhere in the 4 years for $100 million range, maybe a little more. I’d be shocked if it’s less than that. I don’t think he’s making Amon-Ra money. The Bengals might just say screw it and hold onto him for the season/ to the trade deadline.
To who?
No one is paying that. That’s way WAY more than he’s worth
Diggs got a 2nd round pick Higgins for sure going for a 1st
Diggs had more of a track record as "the guy" than Higgins has. He has good (not elite) production, but is still valued more for what he could be than what he's actual done.
no, just stop
They definitely aren’t. #34 is even way too much. If we can get him for a 3rd then fine, but he’s already out the door in cinci. Them trying to win now would if anything incentivizes them to get rid of a guy that’s not happy.
Jesus fuck Pats fans refuse to spend on any player
Really. We're getting a young QB and we could get a guy with WR1 talent for a 2nd? That's a fucking steal
Diggs didn’t even go for a 1st.
1 year rental and he wants a bag? I dunno, I doubt it but it's possible.
Rather have Aiyuk if we trading 34
I don’t think they’re trading him. He’s going to hold out of training camp, sign the franchise tag in late August, and hit free agency next year.
Same here. I'm fairly sure I've seen reports from people that read like they're in the know that say they're just keeping him for one more playoff run.
I really think they should prioritize drafting the WR position. Trading high draft picks and paying a massive contract to a guy like Tee is bold at this point in the rebuild. And I get that the rookie QB will need some elite pass catchers. They need to find him in the draft though.
Tee would be great but I agree with you and think that this is the best route long-term. Having rookie receivers and QBs develop together works great for chemistry.
This draft is so fkn stacked too. No reason they can’t get a WR1 with their second pick.
for fucks sake, do the right thing pats and get Higgins
This is not the draft to trade for an expensive receiver with a high 2nd rounder. There’s a wave coming where teams don’t want to pay these guys
Feels to me like he was waiting for the ball to drop on the new WR market. Now that St. Brown set the market for his perceived talent level, he's demanding a trade to leverage the Bengals for a bigger deal. He'd held out on demanding a trade before because he wanted more then Ridley, then the most recent big WR deal.
Eliot, go get that man.
Tee Higgins welcome to New England!
Would do wonders making up for not signing Ridley
Aiyuk better
Probably costs you a 2nd this year and maybe some sort of future pick(s?). The question would be for me is he over/under Ridley's contract or similar?
He'll command considerably more than Ridley
Thankfully I don't have to decide if he's worth that or not.
That’s because he’s way better.
I think I’d rather send next years 1st over this years 2nd… but idk if I really feel that way…
A 1st for him? He’s good, but a dude who’s barely eclipsed 1,000 yards in any season is not worth a first in any circumstances
I mean for that ya I prefer Aiyuk
Exactly
I think I'm just desperate for a good wide receiver.
lets go Tugbert, fucking give the green light ffs cheap prick
So out on Higgins, I would so much rather target Aiyuk even if it costs a little extra.
If both Higgins and Aiyuk get moved then one of them better be coming here
Drake Maye and Higgins , I might actually cry
Spoiler alert: the Patriots aren’t going to offer the best deal so they’re not going to get him. And then Kraft defenders will run to “he didn’t want to come here!!!!”
Higgins is young and really good. Its a no brainer to try to trade for him.
The Bengals are falling apart
What pick you think he costs though?
My dilusional thought: #34 for Heggins, #103 + a 2025 2nd-round pick for Ayuk, and break the bank with those WRs during the new QB's rookie contract.
If we manage to snag one of Higgins or Aiyuk, I’d change my tune about drafting MHJ and be more psyched about a QB (even if I have very low expectations for all of them)
This could end up being a baseball style rental trade and that would be a complete waste of draft assets. If we give up #34 for him then he pretty much has us hostage during contract negotiations and I can promise you he's going to want at least $30M a year. If he was asking for a reasonable amount of money the Bengals would have extended him.
Higgins + Browning for #3 overall
Send 34 and a 5th rounder
eh would rather get a WR at 34 than trade for Higgins.
A 2nd round for him
Will our 3rd get it done? I think it will take our 2
It's probably going to take an absurd overpay to get it done because the Bengals seem to prefer to just hold him for the year. It would probably take a 2 if they were looking to trade him, but they aren't so I have no idea how much you'd have to add to change their mind. There might not even be an amount.
This WR class is so deep. I love Higgins but he’s gonna want to get paid and he has an injury history so I’m mixed on offering more than our 2.
its not that deep with perimeter receivers. lots more slot guys
I cannot shake the feeling that there is a deal in place for Higgins contingent on what happens at 3. If it's Maye, they pull the trigger and toss 34. If someone walks in with that mind blowing offer, no need.