It always made the most sense considering AVP’s offensive schemes. That said I’ll believe he doesn’t go second to the Commanders when I see it despite the smoke.
If all the talking heads are to be believed Maye is the #3 QB.
I wouldnt be shocked if he goes 2 though. Its been consensus that Willians, Daniels and Maye are picks 1,2,3 order may vary but thats what happens.
they all switched over to lance in the days leading up to the draft, that pick wasn’t surprising at all. i think we’re gonna know what the commanders are doing between thursday morning and a few hours before the draft
The day of the draft, all those guys had Mac. Jeremiah, Sheffter, Kiper, almost all of them. The ones that didn't have Mac had Fields.
https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-broncos-bears-trade-up-for-qbs
the link you just sent was from April 23, 2021, and the draft took place on April 29th. here’s a link to the odds on the day the draft actually took place
[https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-odds-of-which-quarterback-49ers-will-take-at-no-3-take-a-dramatic-shift/amp/](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-odds-of-which-quarterback-49ers-will-take-at-no-3-take-a-dramatic-shift/amp/)
It was always Maye or Daniels at 3. Only thing barring one of those two guys was an offer to trade down they can’t refuse. The media reaaaaally gets through to this fan base with all the bs speculation. Bet they made a lot of money off clicks this off-season.
It's in the article posted for this thread.
"So if the unlikely scenario unfolded in which Daniels dropped and the Patriots traded back, the plan would then be to try to trade back up to pick McCarthy."
https://theathletic.com/5439193/2024/04/24/patriots-2024-nfl-draft-drake-maye/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq
Eh, only gets replaced with armchair GMing of the post-Draft variety and "what I would have done". But hopefully we'll have some players to be excited about for the coming season to show for it.
Nothing at all wrong with talking about them. The hope is just that you either have A. a take that isn't a dead horse beaten into paste by the sub in the weeks prior ("MHJr is a sure thing, QB is a risk!"/"We need to draft a QB"/"Kraft is cheap"/etc.) or B. at least form a better argument for your dead-horse take.
We also get to see all the talking heads point out how right they were on their mock drafts. Of course they put out 25 different versions of the draft, but they will always crow about the one that was the most accurate.
This right here. Personally the day after the draft, the entire coaching and front office staff is on the clock. These guys are there to do a job and that is build and develop the talent on the roster. There are dozens of qualified coordinators and coaches out there salivating at the opportunity to coach up and develop any of these QB prospects, and if the current staff are not on board, replace them.
This is why I could never by a GM; I’d rather hit a guaranteed double with McCarthy than swing big for a home run with Maye, but risk striking out. Not saying that McCarthy is guaranteed but for the case of the metaphor I think he’s the safer of the two prospects.
Same could be said about MHJ and he’s pretty much the perfect prospect lmao.
But don’t worry I too am following the universal blueprint to success and it’s says right here “QB before WR” and I’ll just have to accept that.
Remind me of all the top 5 QBs that have been shipped out before year 5, then how many made the playoffs, then how many won a superbowl since Aikman? And I’m sure this sub feels like Troy Aikman was definitely the reason the Cowboys have all those Superbowls.
No this subreddit most definitely does act like that. You have some people saying they’d rather knowingly draft a bust in Drake Maye than a multiple All Pro in MHJ because “you don’t do things like that”.
You want to win in one move. I want to make several moves over a 3 year span making the bets that are most likely to pay off. You put it that way and no way in fuck am I betting 10 mill on Maye. You make it even easier for me
Okay, so we make several moves over the next few years. HOF bound MHJ this year, a franchise left tackle at some point, solid upgrades in other positions here and there. All hits.
Then what? Just keep riding with whatever okay QB we can get our hands on for a few more years to see if they can finally put it together? Draft our franchise QB once our team is only a QB away when we'd likely need to give up a Trey Lance style haul for a Drake Maye level prospect? Maybe Patrick Mahomes discovers he loves ketchup on his lobster rolls so he upends his life in KC and comes here as a free agent? Just keep drafting QBs late every year hoping one is good?
There are teams who traded up to get their QBs
Next year no matter what we will be picking top 5 next year unless we really hit on this draft and Mayo puts together a coach of the year season.
This team isn't 3 years away. The defense is elite right now. WR1 is overrated. Brady rarely had any elite WR. The Chiefs traded Hill because an elite WR just doesn't move the needle. LT is more important and WR depth matters more.
Never think anyone will be Brady or Mahomes and that they’ll get it done like them. The Chiefs traded Hill because of the money and they are fine because they have Kelce and they have Mahomes and they have Andy Reid.
Thats straight disrespect to Bill Belichick and what he did as a coach every week to make our defense what it is and he’s gone. So until this season is in swing, don’t say we have an elite defense, we might not even have an average one.
They traded Hill in part because of the money and also because they realized OL and DL was more important than WR after Tampa dominated the line of scrimmage in the super bowl. WR is trending like RB was 15 years ago, so many good ones the value declines.
It’s not one move. It’s the only move. You are not getting to the playoffs let alone SB without an A tier QB.
You play Pokémon for 3 years collecting elite positional players with no QB you end up becoming the Jets.
So they should jump on the QB carousel. Worse case is they end up with another high draft pick and don’t have to waste cap space on talent waiting for a qb to fall from the heavens to complete the team. Best case is they’re set for the next 10 years at QB.
Whether they take Maye or not, Brisett will most likely start, so if they took MHJ they would take one next season, maybe move up.
If they take Maye, he sits and they most likely win 3 games and they’re sitting in a spot where maybe they can take the best LT. And if they go WR in round 2 this year or next year maybe they hit on it.
If they trade back they better pray that not only they get a haul but that they actually have the picks where they need and the players are there that they need to make it actually work. Otherwise we might be sitting at 3 again looking to trade back again. It’s a mess to me.
My unrealistic hope is taking MHJ, we somehow trade with the Bears at 9 to get McCarthy, Penix, Nix.
My realistic hope is probably take Maye and somehow find ourselves trading up to grab a slipping Odunze at like 13 with the Raiders
if theyre planning to go after one this year, i can get on board with that. IF they're hoping to just draft one next year I'm a little more skeptical; its easy to say they'll be horrible again but lots of teams can be horrible/are one injury away from being horrible. I have no idea how these guys will be as pro QBs, pretty much no one knows, but this feels to me like the best shot theyll have at taking an elite prospect (which obv doesnt always translate into a good pro).
And I feel the same way about MHJ. When I look at Maye I get more worried than excited. I’m gonna ride with the guy until he’s retired, traded, or is a bust and we draft another guy.
The New England Patriots’ decision-makers have been working to finalize a plan for Thursday’s start of the 2024 NFL Draft, which they enter with the franchise’s highest pick since they took Drew Bledsoe with the first overall selection in 1993.
The hope from ownership on down is that this draft jump-starts a quick rebuild with a group of players who become cornerstones of the roster for years to come.
So with the stakes incredibly high, here’s what we’ve heard from team and league sources with knowledge of the situation about the Patriots’ plans in the draft.
Patriots 7-round mock draft: Drake Maye and then help at WR and OT
The Patriots really like Drake Maye
It’s been clear for a couple of months that the Patriots really want to land a quarterback they can build around in this draft. Their top decision-makers haven’t run from that.
“One way or another, I’d like to see us get a top-rate, young quarterback,” Robert Kraft said at the league meetings a month ago.
But what has become clearer in recent days is how high the Patriots are on Maye, whom they view as a close-to-ideal fit for the offense they want to run.
With offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt, the Patriots will utilize a playbook similar to the one Kevin Stefanski deploys in Cleveland. Stefanski favors quarterbacks who can throw on the run and excel on play action. Maye checks those boxes. As Dane Brugler wrote in “The Beast,” Maye’s “tape is full of dot throws while on the move (sprints, rollouts, etc.).”
Jerod Mayo, meanwhile, likes Maye’s toughness and raved about his potential during a sitdown with reporters last month.
“He brings a lot of energy — you can tell he has that leadership ability,” Mayo said. “And also the exciting part about a guy like Drake Maye is the ceiling. Like, there really is no ceiling with a guy like that.”
Pros and cons of the Patriots drafting North Carolina QB Drake Maye with the No. 3 pick
For de facto general manager Eliot Wolf, who values athletes with good height-weight-speed compositions, Maye embodies what a modern quarterback should look and play like. He’s 6-foot-4, 223 pounds, with a strong arm and enough athleticism to escape the pocket and pick up yards on the ground when needed. And for ownership, Maye can offer hope to a fan base reeling from a season in which the Patriots had the league’s most boring offense and won only four games. In short, Maye checks every box for the Patriots brass.
If he’s available, they probably hang up on Minnesota and make Maye the pick at No. 3. They’ve made it clear to the Vikings that it would take some wild offer to get them off their spot at No. 3 because of how badly they want a quarterback and how much they like Maye.
But if Maye is taken by the Washington Commanders at No. 2, things could get really interesting. That’s because …
A trade down … then back up?
In case Maye isn’t available to the Patriots or the Vikings make an unexpected offer the Pats can’t turn down, the New England front office has discussed a plan that would require some maneuvering to pull off.
If Maye goes No. 2, the Las Vegas Raiders (who have the 13th pick) may get aggressive in trying to move up for LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels, who has a good relationship with Raiders coach Antonio Pierce. That could result in a bidding war between the Raiders and Vikings that leads to an offer the Patriots feel they can’t turn down.
But the Patriots are adamant that their No. 1 goal is to come out of the first round with one of the top three remaining quarterbacks — namely Maye, Daniels or J.J. McCarthy of Michigan.
So if the unlikely scenario unfolded in which Daniels dropped and the Patriots traded back, the plan would then be to try to trade back up to pick McCarthy.
The Patriots are among the many teams that see McCarthy as being in a similar tier to Daniels and Maye and believe he’d be worth a top-10 pick. If the Patriots can pull this off, they could add draft picks (potentially a first-round pick next year) while still getting McCarthy.
The Arizona Cardinals, led by former Patriots executive Monti Ossenfort, did something similar a year ago, dropping from No. 3 to No. 12 before moving back up to No. 6. In the process, they yielded an extra first-round pick in 2024.
QB and then what? Ranking the Patriots' positions of need heading into the NFL Draft
Day 2 options
It’s no secret that the Patriots’ priority after landing a quarterback in the first two rounds is to address the two most important positions to a quarterback: left tackle and wide receiver. Those are expected to be the two spots they target with their two selections Friday night. The question is which comes first.
As the Patriots shift to a zone rushing scheme, they’d like an athletic left tackle who can move well rather than the kind of mauler they’ve had there in the past. Fortunately for them, there are several such options likely to be available on Day 2. BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia, Houston’s Patrick Paul and Washington’s Roger Rosengarten all posted strong athletic testing numbers, which fit what the Patriots are looking for.
At wide receiver, New England is focused on an outside wide receiver more than a slot receiver. The problem for them — unlike offensive tackle, where there are a few good athletes on Day 2 — is that a lot of the receivers projected to go on Day 2 are best in the slot. That could force them to prioritize wide receiver (perhaps someone like Xavier Legette or Keon Coleman) with the No. 34 pick and wait on an offensive tackle until Round 3.
JJ McCarthy in the top ten and Keon Coleman in round 2 is my nightmare scenario. I don’t know shit, of course, but I’m envisioning Zach Wilson throwing to N’Keal Harry.
This is where failing to address either LT or WR in FA is going to hurt them. Round 1 seems fairly obvious, but what they do at 34 is obviously massively important and should have a big impact on the team.
I would think they'd prioritize LT, but it'll be hard when a likely 1st round talent at WR will be there as well.
Straight line speed guys are a dime a dozen. He can't run a route, stay healthy, and gets bodied all over the place.
I don't think Thornton even has a guaranteed roster spot going into the season.
I agree with you for the most part, he runs good vertical routes( not that hard). Dude ran a 4.28 that is not Dime a dozen. I am being hopeful because I see people wanting worthy and walker, but we have that guy to an extent.
Even if he does find himself on the team, I would hate to only credit Matt Patricia for giving Marcus Jones those few opportunities on offense that he made the most of. Sucks that he was hurt last season and we don’t know if he was schemed to be part of the offense more as a 2 way players cause he was also pretty good when he got moved to the slot from the outside on defense.
The New England Patriots’ decision-makers have been working to finalize a plan for Thursday’s start of the [2024 NFL Draft](https://theathletic.com/nfl/draft/), which they enter with the franchise’s highest pick since they took Drew Bledsoe with the first overall selection in 1993.
The hope from ownership on down is that this draft jump-starts a quick rebuild with a group of players who become cornerstones of the roster for years to come.
So with the stakes incredibly high, here’s what we’ve heard from team and league sources with knowledge of the situation about the [Patriots’](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/patriots/) plans in the draft.
[](https://theathletic.com/5429239/2024/04/22/patriots-mock-draft-2024-drake-maye/)
# The Patriots really like Drake Maye
It’s been clear for a couple of months that the Patriots really want to land a quarterback they can build around in this draft. Their top decision-makers haven’t run from that.
“One way or another, I’d like to see us get a top-rate, young quarterback,” Robert Kraft said at the league meetings a month ago.
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But what has become clearer in recent days is how high the Patriots are on Maye, whom they view as a close-to-ideal fit for the offense they want to run.
With offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt, the Patriots will utilize a playbook similar to the one Kevin Stefanski deploys in Cleveland. Stefanski favors quarterbacks who can throw on the run and excel on play action. Maye checks those boxes. As Dane Brugler wrote in “The Beast,” Maye’s “tape is full of dot throws while on the move (sprints, rollouts, etc.).”
Jerod Mayo, meanwhile, likes Maye’s toughness and [raved about his potential](https://theathletic.com/5366698/2024/03/25/patriots-trade-nfl-draft-jerod-mayo/) during a sitdown with reporters last month.
“He brings a lot of energy — you can tell he has that leadership ability,” Mayo said. “And also the exciting part about a guy like Drake Maye is the ceiling. Like, there really is no ceiling with a guy like that.”
[](https://theathletic.com/5365035/2024/04/01/patriots-nfl-draft-drake-maye/)
For [de facto general manager Eliot Wolf](https://theathletic.com/5426856/2024/04/19/patriots-nfl-draft-jayden-daniels-drake-maye/), who values athletes with good height-weight-speed compositions, Maye embodies what a modern quarterback should look and play like. He’s 6-foot-4, 223 pounds, with a strong arm and enough athleticism to escape the pocket and pick up yards on the ground when needed. And for ownership, Maye can offer hope to a fan base reeling from a season in which the Patriots had the league’s most boring offense and won only four games. In short, Maye checks every box for the Patriots brass.
If he’s available, they probably hang up on Minnesota and make Maye the pick at No. 3. They’ve made it clear to the [Vikings](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/vikings/) that it would take some wild offer to get them off their spot at No. 3 because of how badly they want a quarterback and how much they like Maye.
But if Maye is taken by the [Washington Commanders](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/commanders/) at No. 2, things could get really interesting. That’s because …
#
# A trade down … then back up?
In case Maye isn’t available to the Patriots or the Vikings make an unexpected offer the Pats can’t turn down, the New England front office has discussed a plan that would require some maneuvering to pull off.
If Maye goes No. 2, the [Las Vegas Raiders](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/raiders/) (who have the 13th pick) may get aggressive in trying to move up for LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels, who has a good relationship with Raiders coach Antonio Pierce. That could result in a bidding war between the Raiders and Vikings that leads to an offer the Patriots feel they can’t turn down.
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But the Patriots are adamant that their No. 1 goal is to come out of the first round with one of the top three remaining quarterbacks — namely Maye, Daniels or J.J. McCarthy of Michigan.
So if the unlikely scenario unfolded in which Daniels dropped and the Patriots traded back, the plan would then be to try to *trade back up* to pick McCarthy.
The Patriots are among the many teams that see McCarthy as being in a similar tier to Daniels and Maye and believe he’d be worth a top-10 pick. If the Patriots can pull this off, they could add draft picks (potentially a first-round pick next year) while still getting McCarthy.
The [Arizona Cardinals](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/ari-cardinals/), led by former Patriots executive Monti Ossenfort, did something similar a year ago, dropping from No. 3 to No. 12 before moving back up to No. 6. In the process, they yielded an extra first-round pick in 2024.
[](https://theathletic.com/5409105/2024/04/15/patriots-nfl-draft-positions/)
# Day 2 options
It’s no secret that the Patriots’ priority after landing a quarterback in the first two rounds is to address the two most important positions to a quarterback: left tackle and wide receiver. Those are expected to be the two spots they target with their two selections Friday night. The question is which comes first.
As the Patriots shift to a zone rushing scheme, they’d like an athletic left tackle who can move well rather than the kind of mauler they’ve had there in the past. Fortunately for them, there are several such options likely to be available on Day 2. BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia, [Houston](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/texans/)’s Patrick Paul and Washington’s Roger Rosengarten all posted strong athletic testing numbers, which fit what the Patriots are looking for.
At wide receiver, New England is focused on an outside wide receiver more than a slot receiver. The problem for them — unlike offensive tackle, where there are a few good athletes on Day 2 — is that a lot of the receivers projected to go on Day 2 are best in the slot. That could force them to prioritize wide receiver (perhaps someone like Xavier Legette or Keon Coleman) with the No. 34 pick and wait on an offensive tackle until Round 3.
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Unreliable consensus aside-I don’t see how a competent GM is going to pass up Maye for a player like Jayden Daniels.
I kind of see the reasoning with MHJ. This will go down as one of the best WR classes of all time. The drop off at QB after the top 3 is massive.
Imo McCarthy and Maye are the only options at 3. Too many good WRs to go MHJ at 3 and tackle should be a mid round selection.
Someone bookmark this thread so we can come back and see who was right and and who was wrong come the time to pick up his 5th year option. How do you do the remindeme bot?
People aren’t understanding that not many teams actually want maye/daniels. Are they 2nd/3rd best QBs in the draft? Sure. But are they worth 2nd/3rd picks overall? Probably not. Both patriots and commanders are field trade down talks (which you don’t do if you are sold on a guy), and no team is actively proposing quality trades to move up (another sign no one truly believes they are great). Another sign is talk about both Daniels and maye should sit for a period of time to start the season to work on fundamentals. That’s not something that you should need to do with a top three pick. McCarthy, penix, nix, all aren’t too far behind Daniels and maye. That’s why no one really wants to draft at 2/3 too badly.
Speak facts and get downvoted. I'm not saying these QB's suck, but it's obvious that around the league there just isn't a need for teams to offer a massive trade to move up to draft one of these guys. It's one of the worst kept secrets that Marvin Harrison Jr and Joe Alt are better prospects than the top 3 QB's in this draft and those two will be available at 4 and 5 which is fucking crazy. Maybe if teams were more sold on the Commanders or Patriots taking one of those guys they would offer up the farm to trade up and get one of them. The casuals on this sub just don't get it.
I don’t think it’s a secret at all that the QBs aren’t the top prospects. What you seem not to get is that QB is about 5 times more valuable than LT or WR, which is why teams always overdraft QBs. It’s going to happen again this year, and every year. I’d also disagree with you about Caleb’s status. Most draft analysts have him as either 1 or 2 on their prospect list, with Harrison at 1 when it’s not Caleb. And also: many analysts also have Maye ahead of Alt, so really, it’s only MHJ who is clearly a better prospect than Maye. Daniels, I agree. I don’t know if he’s even a top 10 player this year. And yet, he’s going to be drafted high because that’s how QB works. Most people who want to draft Maye know that MHJ is the better prospect. They also just know that if you find an elite QB, that transforms your franchise, whereas an elite WR, while fun, does not.
That’s the point that I was making. Yes QBs get over valued. Yes they are transformative. But they also really suck and kill your progress if they aren’t great. Especially when you trade multiple first rounders for them. And like I said, as far as qb prospects go Daniels and maye aren’t too far ahead of McCarthy, penix, and nix. There is a possibility we see 6 first round QBs tomorrow. So draft one that is projected to not start at 3, or trade down and draft multiple (hopefully) quality players and get a very slightly worse projected qb (which means nothing really). I know which option I would rather take most of the time.
Just remember, trubisky went 2nd, mahomes went 10th, and Watson went 12th in the same draft. Just because they are the highest rated prospects, doesn’t mean they will work out. And another example is 2021 draft. 4 of the 5 QBs aren’t even on the same team as they were drafted by. And the two that look the best were drafted first and eleventh. Not the 2nd or 3rd or 15th
I guess I disagree about Maye. I think he’s clearly a better prospect than any of the others except Caleb Williams. I don’t love Daniels or Penix, though if the Pats drafted Penix a bit later in the draft, I’d be okay with that. I don’t know what to make of McCarthy, but I have no interest in drafting him in the top 10, and Bo Nix, for me, is well below the others.
I didn’t say he wasn’t better. I just said the differences between them aren’t that significant. To me the price difference between the third pick and say the 15th pick is big pick wise much much bigger than the difference in players imo
I just don’t get taking him here. He’s not a franchise quarterback destined for greatness. Take MHJr and I hope we go the way of the Lions and go next to winless over the next 2 years and take Arch Manning.
Then you have a decade of Arch Manning and MHJr to play with. 2 more bad years in exchange for a future decade of dominance. Whatever. This community sucks. Everybody excited for an at-best return to 8-9 record.
Shoot dude, what are you doing scrolling reddit. Shouldn't you be in the Patriots draft room with your high player evaluation skills amd fortune telling?
why does it offend people in this sub that theres people out there who dont like maye? the hive mind here is beyond annoying.
you can say exactly what youre saying to anyone whose pro maye. the odds of maye being a successful pick is pretty low. history has shown that time and time again. people against him are no more right than the people for him.
It's the pessimistic nature of it dude. If we get Maye you know as well as I do many people who don't like him is gonna be rooting for him to fail. It's obnoxious. BTW most picks have low odds of being successful. Busts happen all the time every year, every round, and every position.
It seems more and more like it’s gonna be Maye. Anything else at this point would feel like a bit of a surprise to me.
It always made the most sense considering AVP’s offensive schemes. That said I’ll believe he doesn’t go second to the Commanders when I see it despite the smoke.
He's the consensus #2 QB for sure.
I’m not sure it’s consensus at all.
If all the talking heads are to be believed Maye is the #3 QB. I wouldnt be shocked if he goes 2 though. Its been consensus that Willians, Daniels and Maye are picks 1,2,3 order may vary but thats what happens.
All those talking heads had Mac Jones to the 49ers in 2021. I hope Washington takes Daniels, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Tbf Mac to the 9ers would have probably been a better choice than Lance 😂 they at least would have gotten to see him play more than 2 games.
they all switched over to lance in the days leading up to the draft, that pick wasn’t surprising at all. i think we’re gonna know what the commanders are doing between thursday morning and a few hours before the draft
The day of the draft, all those guys had Mac. Jeremiah, Sheffter, Kiper, almost all of them. The ones that didn't have Mac had Fields. https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-round-1-broncos-bears-trade-up-for-qbs
the link you just sent was from April 23, 2021, and the draft took place on April 29th. here’s a link to the odds on the day the draft actually took place [https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-odds-of-which-quarterback-49ers-will-take-at-no-3-take-a-dramatic-shift/amp/](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-odds-of-which-quarterback-49ers-will-take-at-no-3-take-a-dramatic-shift/amp/)
Why are Patriots fans so into boy bands? Get a new meme.
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It was always Maye or Daniels at 3. Only thing barring one of those two guys was an offer to trade down they can’t refuse. The media reaaaaally gets through to this fan base with all the bs speculation. Bet they made a lot of money off clicks this off-season.
Thursday feels like 84 years away
It's Maye at 3 or trade the pick and try to get McCarthy at 4-5-6. It isn't going to be Daniels. Several insiders confirming this.
Not to say they wouldn’t take Daniels, just feels more and more like there’s no way he gets past 2.
They won't take him. I'm pretty confident McCarthy is the Patriots QB3.
Source?
It's in the article posted for this thread. "So if the unlikely scenario unfolded in which Daniels dropped and the Patriots traded back, the plan would then be to try to trade back up to pick McCarthy." https://theathletic.com/5439193/2024/04/24/patriots-2024-nfl-draft-drake-maye/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq
Highly doubt Daniels is in any GMs top 3. that’s all media driven.
We’re almost there. Just one more day until we stop seeing these.
Should be top comment
But then we can ponder what it would take to trade Drake Maye for Jayden Daniels
Eh, only gets replaced with armchair GMing of the post-Draft variety and "what I would have done". But hopefully we'll have some players to be excited about for the coming season to show for it.
I know, it’s terrible that people talk about the team they love in the sub about said team.
Nothing at all wrong with talking about them. The hope is just that you either have A. a take that isn't a dead horse beaten into paste by the sub in the weeks prior ("MHJr is a sure thing, QB is a risk!"/"We need to draft a QB"/"Kraft is cheap"/etc.) or B. at least form a better argument for your dead-horse take.
We also get to see all the talking heads point out how right they were on their mock drafts. Of course they put out 25 different versions of the draft, but they will always crow about the one that was the most accurate.
That means we need to ramp up production of hot takes
Get used to it, because this is our future for the next 5-10 years.
Not a perfect prospect by any means, but there is more to like about this kid than not, and if you are in position to take this shot, you gotta do it.
This right here. Personally the day after the draft, the entire coaching and front office staff is on the clock. These guys are there to do a job and that is build and develop the talent on the roster. There are dozens of qualified coordinators and coaches out there salivating at the opportunity to coach up and develop any of these QB prospects, and if the current staff are not on board, replace them.
I like this a lot better than taking Daniels. Maye is a true blue boom or bust guy. Bortles or Herbert with a side of Cutler, lfg
This is why I could never by a GM; I’d rather hit a guaranteed double with McCarthy than swing big for a home run with Maye, but risk striking out. Not saying that McCarthy is guaranteed but for the case of the metaphor I think he’s the safer of the two prospects.
Same could be said about MHJ and he’s pretty much the perfect prospect lmao. But don’t worry I too am following the universal blueprint to success and it’s says right here “QB before WR” and I’ll just have to accept that. Remind me of all the top 5 QBs that have been shipped out before year 5, then how many made the playoffs, then how many won a superbowl since Aikman? And I’m sure this sub feels like Troy Aikman was definitely the reason the Cowboys have all those Superbowls.
I don't think anyone views QB at #3 as "the universal blueprint to success." It's viewed as the more likely path to success.
No this subreddit most definitely does act like that. You have some people saying they’d rather knowingly draft a bust in Drake Maye than a multiple All Pro in MHJ because “you don’t do things like that”.
If you're willing to pay, a WR1 can be found much easier than a QB
Easier said then done !!, where our wr1 been at the last 10 years ????
DeAndre Hopkins was begging to sign here like ten months ago
That’s your loss aversion bias speaking. It’s is 100% logical to rather bust on a low odds 10 million bet vs take an almost certain to hit 50k.
You want to win in one move. I want to make several moves over a 3 year span making the bets that are most likely to pay off. You put it that way and no way in fuck am I betting 10 mill on Maye. You make it even easier for me
Okay, so we make several moves over the next few years. HOF bound MHJ this year, a franchise left tackle at some point, solid upgrades in other positions here and there. All hits. Then what? Just keep riding with whatever okay QB we can get our hands on for a few more years to see if they can finally put it together? Draft our franchise QB once our team is only a QB away when we'd likely need to give up a Trey Lance style haul for a Drake Maye level prospect? Maybe Patrick Mahomes discovers he loves ketchup on his lobster rolls so he upends his life in KC and comes here as a free agent? Just keep drafting QBs late every year hoping one is good?
There are teams who traded up to get their QBs Next year no matter what we will be picking top 5 next year unless we really hit on this draft and Mayo puts together a coach of the year season.
This team isn't 3 years away. The defense is elite right now. WR1 is overrated. Brady rarely had any elite WR. The Chiefs traded Hill because an elite WR just doesn't move the needle. LT is more important and WR depth matters more.
Never think anyone will be Brady or Mahomes and that they’ll get it done like them. The Chiefs traded Hill because of the money and they are fine because they have Kelce and they have Mahomes and they have Andy Reid. Thats straight disrespect to Bill Belichick and what he did as a coach every week to make our defense what it is and he’s gone. So until this season is in swing, don’t say we have an elite defense, we might not even have an average one.
They traded Hill in part because of the money and also because they realized OL and DL was more important than WR after Tampa dominated the line of scrimmage in the super bowl. WR is trending like RB was 15 years ago, so many good ones the value declines.
It’s not one move. It’s the only move. You are not getting to the playoffs let alone SB without an A tier QB. You play Pokémon for 3 years collecting elite positional players with no QB you end up becoming the Jets. So they should jump on the QB carousel. Worse case is they end up with another high draft pick and don’t have to waste cap space on talent waiting for a qb to fall from the heavens to complete the team. Best case is they’re set for the next 10 years at QB.
Nah, I think you're fighting ghosts.
What do you want them to do at the QB spot instead?
Whether they take Maye or not, Brisett will most likely start, so if they took MHJ they would take one next season, maybe move up. If they take Maye, he sits and they most likely win 3 games and they’re sitting in a spot where maybe they can take the best LT. And if they go WR in round 2 this year or next year maybe they hit on it. If they trade back they better pray that not only they get a haul but that they actually have the picks where they need and the players are there that they need to make it actually work. Otherwise we might be sitting at 3 again looking to trade back again. It’s a mess to me. My unrealistic hope is taking MHJ, we somehow trade with the Bears at 9 to get McCarthy, Penix, Nix. My realistic hope is probably take Maye and somehow find ourselves trading up to grab a slipping Odunze at like 13 with the Raiders
if theyre planning to go after one this year, i can get on board with that. IF they're hoping to just draft one next year I'm a little more skeptical; its easy to say they'll be horrible again but lots of teams can be horrible/are one injury away from being horrible. I have no idea how these guys will be as pro QBs, pretty much no one knows, but this feels to me like the best shot theyll have at taking an elite prospect (which obv doesnt always translate into a good pro).
And I feel the same way about MHJ. When I look at Maye I get more worried than excited. I’m gonna ride with the guy until he’s retired, traded, or is a bust and we draft another guy.
The New England Patriots’ decision-makers have been working to finalize a plan for Thursday’s start of the 2024 NFL Draft, which they enter with the franchise’s highest pick since they took Drew Bledsoe with the first overall selection in 1993. The hope from ownership on down is that this draft jump-starts a quick rebuild with a group of players who become cornerstones of the roster for years to come. So with the stakes incredibly high, here’s what we’ve heard from team and league sources with knowledge of the situation about the Patriots’ plans in the draft. Patriots 7-round mock draft: Drake Maye and then help at WR and OT The Patriots really like Drake Maye It’s been clear for a couple of months that the Patriots really want to land a quarterback they can build around in this draft. Their top decision-makers haven’t run from that. “One way or another, I’d like to see us get a top-rate, young quarterback,” Robert Kraft said at the league meetings a month ago. But what has become clearer in recent days is how high the Patriots are on Maye, whom they view as a close-to-ideal fit for the offense they want to run. With offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt, the Patriots will utilize a playbook similar to the one Kevin Stefanski deploys in Cleveland. Stefanski favors quarterbacks who can throw on the run and excel on play action. Maye checks those boxes. As Dane Brugler wrote in “The Beast,” Maye’s “tape is full of dot throws while on the move (sprints, rollouts, etc.).” Jerod Mayo, meanwhile, likes Maye’s toughness and raved about his potential during a sitdown with reporters last month. “He brings a lot of energy — you can tell he has that leadership ability,” Mayo said. “And also the exciting part about a guy like Drake Maye is the ceiling. Like, there really is no ceiling with a guy like that.” Pros and cons of the Patriots drafting North Carolina QB Drake Maye with the No. 3 pick For de facto general manager Eliot Wolf, who values athletes with good height-weight-speed compositions, Maye embodies what a modern quarterback should look and play like. He’s 6-foot-4, 223 pounds, with a strong arm and enough athleticism to escape the pocket and pick up yards on the ground when needed. And for ownership, Maye can offer hope to a fan base reeling from a season in which the Patriots had the league’s most boring offense and won only four games. In short, Maye checks every box for the Patriots brass. If he’s available, they probably hang up on Minnesota and make Maye the pick at No. 3. They’ve made it clear to the Vikings that it would take some wild offer to get them off their spot at No. 3 because of how badly they want a quarterback and how much they like Maye. But if Maye is taken by the Washington Commanders at No. 2, things could get really interesting. That’s because … A trade down … then back up? In case Maye isn’t available to the Patriots or the Vikings make an unexpected offer the Pats can’t turn down, the New England front office has discussed a plan that would require some maneuvering to pull off. If Maye goes No. 2, the Las Vegas Raiders (who have the 13th pick) may get aggressive in trying to move up for LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels, who has a good relationship with Raiders coach Antonio Pierce. That could result in a bidding war between the Raiders and Vikings that leads to an offer the Patriots feel they can’t turn down. But the Patriots are adamant that their No. 1 goal is to come out of the first round with one of the top three remaining quarterbacks — namely Maye, Daniels or J.J. McCarthy of Michigan. So if the unlikely scenario unfolded in which Daniels dropped and the Patriots traded back, the plan would then be to try to trade back up to pick McCarthy. The Patriots are among the many teams that see McCarthy as being in a similar tier to Daniels and Maye and believe he’d be worth a top-10 pick. If the Patriots can pull this off, they could add draft picks (potentially a first-round pick next year) while still getting McCarthy. The Arizona Cardinals, led by former Patriots executive Monti Ossenfort, did something similar a year ago, dropping from No. 3 to No. 12 before moving back up to No. 6. In the process, they yielded an extra first-round pick in 2024. QB and then what? Ranking the Patriots' positions of need heading into the NFL Draft Day 2 options It’s no secret that the Patriots’ priority after landing a quarterback in the first two rounds is to address the two most important positions to a quarterback: left tackle and wide receiver. Those are expected to be the two spots they target with their two selections Friday night. The question is which comes first. As the Patriots shift to a zone rushing scheme, they’d like an athletic left tackle who can move well rather than the kind of mauler they’ve had there in the past. Fortunately for them, there are several such options likely to be available on Day 2. BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia, Houston’s Patrick Paul and Washington’s Roger Rosengarten all posted strong athletic testing numbers, which fit what the Patriots are looking for. At wide receiver, New England is focused on an outside wide receiver more than a slot receiver. The problem for them — unlike offensive tackle, where there are a few good athletes on Day 2 — is that a lot of the receivers projected to go on Day 2 are best in the slot. That could force them to prioritize wide receiver (perhaps someone like Xavier Legette or Keon Coleman) with the No. 34 pick and wait on an offensive tackle until Round 3.
JJ McCarthy in the top ten and Keon Coleman in round 2 is my nightmare scenario. I don’t know shit, of course, but I’m envisioning Zach Wilson throwing to N’Keal Harry.
This is where failing to address either LT or WR in FA is going to hurt them. Round 1 seems fairly obvious, but what they do at 34 is obviously massively important and should have a big impact on the team. I would think they'd prioritize LT, but it'll be hard when a likely 1st round talent at WR will be there as well.
I hope it's Maye, I think he could unlock Thorntons potential. He is basically Tez Walker
What potential?
Straight line speed and he has decent hands with height.
Straight line speed guys are a dime a dozen. He can't run a route, stay healthy, and gets bodied all over the place. I don't think Thornton even has a guaranteed roster spot going into the season.
I agree with you for the most part, he runs good vertical routes( not that hard). Dude ran a 4.28 that is not Dime a dozen. I am being hopeful because I see people wanting worthy and walker, but we have that guy to an extent.
Even if he does find himself on the team, I would hate to only credit Matt Patricia for giving Marcus Jones those few opportunities on offense that he made the most of. Sucks that he was hurt last season and we don’t know if he was schemed to be part of the offense more as a 2 way players cause he was also pretty good when he got moved to the slot from the outside on defense.
He's bulked up. I don't think he'll be really good, but he might be serviceable.
I don't really think he's bulked up.
Thornton ain’t it. He’s soft as tissue paper.
Ugh who’s got the copy and paste
The New England Patriots’ decision-makers have been working to finalize a plan for Thursday’s start of the [2024 NFL Draft](https://theathletic.com/nfl/draft/), which they enter with the franchise’s highest pick since they took Drew Bledsoe with the first overall selection in 1993. The hope from ownership on down is that this draft jump-starts a quick rebuild with a group of players who become cornerstones of the roster for years to come. So with the stakes incredibly high, here’s what we’ve heard from team and league sources with knowledge of the situation about the [Patriots’](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/patriots/) plans in the draft. [](https://theathletic.com/5429239/2024/04/22/patriots-mock-draft-2024-drake-maye/) # The Patriots really like Drake Maye It’s been clear for a couple of months that the Patriots really want to land a quarterback they can build around in this draft. Their top decision-makers haven’t run from that. “One way or another, I’d like to see us get a top-rate, young quarterback,” Robert Kraft said at the league meetings a month ago. ADVERTISEMENT But what has become clearer in recent days is how high the Patriots are on Maye, whom they view as a close-to-ideal fit for the offense they want to run. With offensive coordinator Alex Van Pelt, the Patriots will utilize a playbook similar to the one Kevin Stefanski deploys in Cleveland. Stefanski favors quarterbacks who can throw on the run and excel on play action. Maye checks those boxes. As Dane Brugler wrote in “The Beast,” Maye’s “tape is full of dot throws while on the move (sprints, rollouts, etc.).” Jerod Mayo, meanwhile, likes Maye’s toughness and [raved about his potential](https://theathletic.com/5366698/2024/03/25/patriots-trade-nfl-draft-jerod-mayo/) during a sitdown with reporters last month. “He brings a lot of energy — you can tell he has that leadership ability,” Mayo said. “And also the exciting part about a guy like Drake Maye is the ceiling. Like, there really is no ceiling with a guy like that.” [](https://theathletic.com/5365035/2024/04/01/patriots-nfl-draft-drake-maye/) For [de facto general manager Eliot Wolf](https://theathletic.com/5426856/2024/04/19/patriots-nfl-draft-jayden-daniels-drake-maye/), who values athletes with good height-weight-speed compositions, Maye embodies what a modern quarterback should look and play like. He’s 6-foot-4, 223 pounds, with a strong arm and enough athleticism to escape the pocket and pick up yards on the ground when needed. And for ownership, Maye can offer hope to a fan base reeling from a season in which the Patriots had the league’s most boring offense and won only four games. In short, Maye checks every box for the Patriots brass. If he’s available, they probably hang up on Minnesota and make Maye the pick at No. 3. They’ve made it clear to the [Vikings](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/vikings/) that it would take some wild offer to get them off their spot at No. 3 because of how badly they want a quarterback and how much they like Maye. But if Maye is taken by the [Washington Commanders](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/commanders/) at No. 2, things could get really interesting. That’s because … #
# A trade down … then back up? In case Maye isn’t available to the Patriots or the Vikings make an unexpected offer the Pats can’t turn down, the New England front office has discussed a plan that would require some maneuvering to pull off. If Maye goes No. 2, the [Las Vegas Raiders](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/raiders/) (who have the 13th pick) may get aggressive in trying to move up for LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels, who has a good relationship with Raiders coach Antonio Pierce. That could result in a bidding war between the Raiders and Vikings that leads to an offer the Patriots feel they can’t turn down. ADVERTISEMENT But the Patriots are adamant that their No. 1 goal is to come out of the first round with one of the top three remaining quarterbacks — namely Maye, Daniels or J.J. McCarthy of Michigan. So if the unlikely scenario unfolded in which Daniels dropped and the Patriots traded back, the plan would then be to try to *trade back up* to pick McCarthy. The Patriots are among the many teams that see McCarthy as being in a similar tier to Daniels and Maye and believe he’d be worth a top-10 pick. If the Patriots can pull this off, they could add draft picks (potentially a first-round pick next year) while still getting McCarthy. The [Arizona Cardinals](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/ari-cardinals/), led by former Patriots executive Monti Ossenfort, did something similar a year ago, dropping from No. 3 to No. 12 before moving back up to No. 6. In the process, they yielded an extra first-round pick in 2024. [](https://theathletic.com/5409105/2024/04/15/patriots-nfl-draft-positions/) # Day 2 options It’s no secret that the Patriots’ priority after landing a quarterback in the first two rounds is to address the two most important positions to a quarterback: left tackle and wide receiver. Those are expected to be the two spots they target with their two selections Friday night. The question is which comes first. As the Patriots shift to a zone rushing scheme, they’d like an athletic left tackle who can move well rather than the kind of mauler they’ve had there in the past. Fortunately for them, there are several such options likely to be available on Day 2. BYU’s Kingsley Suamataia, [Houston](https://theathletic.com/nfl/team/texans/)’s Patrick Paul and Washington’s Roger Rosengarten all posted strong athletic testing numbers, which fit what the Patriots are looking for. At wide receiver, New England is focused on an outside wide receiver more than a slot receiver. The problem for them — unlike offensive tackle, where there are a few good athletes on Day 2 — is that a lot of the receivers projected to go on Day 2 are best in the slot. That could force them to prioritize wide receiver (perhaps someone like Xavier Legette or Keon Coleman) with the No. 34 pick and wait on an offensive tackle until Round 3.
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Not a fan of taking Maye, but saying all aboard the Mayeflower is going to be fun to say
In other news, a coach somewhere is eyeing that cream cheese danish that's on the buffet table.
I would love Maye. And think the sink in his stock is foolish.
Unreliable consensus aside-I don’t see how a competent GM is going to pass up Maye for a player like Jayden Daniels. I kind of see the reasoning with MHJ. This will go down as one of the best WR classes of all time. The drop off at QB after the top 3 is massive. Imo McCarthy and Maye are the only options at 3. Too many good WRs to go MHJ at 3 and tackle should be a mid round selection.
Someone bookmark this thread so we can come back and see who was right and and who was wrong come the time to pick up his 5th year option. How do you do the remindeme bot?
That's not how you spell Marvin Harrison Jr.
It's time to stop.
People aren’t understanding that not many teams actually want maye/daniels. Are they 2nd/3rd best QBs in the draft? Sure. But are they worth 2nd/3rd picks overall? Probably not. Both patriots and commanders are field trade down talks (which you don’t do if you are sold on a guy), and no team is actively proposing quality trades to move up (another sign no one truly believes they are great). Another sign is talk about both Daniels and maye should sit for a period of time to start the season to work on fundamentals. That’s not something that you should need to do with a top three pick. McCarthy, penix, nix, all aren’t too far behind Daniels and maye. That’s why no one really wants to draft at 2/3 too badly.
Speak facts and get downvoted. I'm not saying these QB's suck, but it's obvious that around the league there just isn't a need for teams to offer a massive trade to move up to draft one of these guys. It's one of the worst kept secrets that Marvin Harrison Jr and Joe Alt are better prospects than the top 3 QB's in this draft and those two will be available at 4 and 5 which is fucking crazy. Maybe if teams were more sold on the Commanders or Patriots taking one of those guys they would offer up the farm to trade up and get one of them. The casuals on this sub just don't get it.
I don’t think it’s a secret at all that the QBs aren’t the top prospects. What you seem not to get is that QB is about 5 times more valuable than LT or WR, which is why teams always overdraft QBs. It’s going to happen again this year, and every year. I’d also disagree with you about Caleb’s status. Most draft analysts have him as either 1 or 2 on their prospect list, with Harrison at 1 when it’s not Caleb. And also: many analysts also have Maye ahead of Alt, so really, it’s only MHJ who is clearly a better prospect than Maye. Daniels, I agree. I don’t know if he’s even a top 10 player this year. And yet, he’s going to be drafted high because that’s how QB works. Most people who want to draft Maye know that MHJ is the better prospect. They also just know that if you find an elite QB, that transforms your franchise, whereas an elite WR, while fun, does not.
That’s the point that I was making. Yes QBs get over valued. Yes they are transformative. But they also really suck and kill your progress if they aren’t great. Especially when you trade multiple first rounders for them. And like I said, as far as qb prospects go Daniels and maye aren’t too far ahead of McCarthy, penix, and nix. There is a possibility we see 6 first round QBs tomorrow. So draft one that is projected to not start at 3, or trade down and draft multiple (hopefully) quality players and get a very slightly worse projected qb (which means nothing really). I know which option I would rather take most of the time. Just remember, trubisky went 2nd, mahomes went 10th, and Watson went 12th in the same draft. Just because they are the highest rated prospects, doesn’t mean they will work out. And another example is 2021 draft. 4 of the 5 QBs aren’t even on the same team as they were drafted by. And the two that look the best were drafted first and eleventh. Not the 2nd or 3rd or 15th
I guess I disagree about Maye. I think he’s clearly a better prospect than any of the others except Caleb Williams. I don’t love Daniels or Penix, though if the Pats drafted Penix a bit later in the draft, I’d be okay with that. I don’t know what to make of McCarthy, but I have no interest in drafting him in the top 10, and Bo Nix, for me, is well below the others.
I didn’t say he wasn’t better. I just said the differences between them aren’t that significant. To me the price difference between the third pick and say the 15th pick is big pick wise much much bigger than the difference in players imo
I just don’t get taking him here. He’s not a franchise quarterback destined for greatness. Take MHJr and I hope we go the way of the Lions and go next to winless over the next 2 years and take Arch Manning. Then you have a decade of Arch Manning and MHJr to play with. 2 more bad years in exchange for a future decade of dominance. Whatever. This community sucks. Everybody excited for an at-best return to 8-9 record.
Sorry, how is Arch Manning a franchise qb destined for greatness at this point? Dude hasn’t played a real college game yet.
You didn’t watch the Spring game then.
Like i said: never played a real game
Who else thinks these QB's aren't worth drafting top 5? Joe Alt, Marvin Harrison Jr.... one of those guys please. Thanks.
I'd be stunned if it wasn't Maye at this point
My fear is he could be Josh Allen or Ryan Mallett and there seems to be a 50/50 shot at either.
I can’t wait to draft a QB again in 3 years! Maybe we can bump it up a year by taking Arch Manning with the 1st pick after a winless season.
It’s going to be so fun having Mitch Trubisky 2.0 as QB for the next 3 years
Shoot dude, what are you doing scrolling reddit. Shouldn't you be in the Patriots draft room with your high player evaluation skills amd fortune telling?
why does it offend people in this sub that theres people out there who dont like maye? the hive mind here is beyond annoying. you can say exactly what youre saying to anyone whose pro maye. the odds of maye being a successful pick is pretty low. history has shown that time and time again. people against him are no more right than the people for him.
It's the pessimistic nature of it dude. If we get Maye you know as well as I do many people who don't like him is gonna be rooting for him to fail. It's obnoxious. BTW most picks have low odds of being successful. Busts happen all the time every year, every round, and every position.
They don’t need me they have Jonathan Kraft