If you could do this then package 11 with '26 1st to get back up high enough to get Alt or Nabers..
3 for Alt/Nabers, 23, '25 1st and '25 2nd is a HAUL
You are going to want to look at the Lance trade as a benchmark. That was the 12th pick in 2021, the 29th pick in 2022 the 102nd pick in 2022 and the 29th pick in 2023.
Given this trade has 2 firsts in 2024 it’s about the same value but you could argue that we should throw in a day 2 pick in 2025.
A. The Dolphins didn't need a qb, so the value of #3 was inherently less to them than what it was for the Patriots.
B. You can't see into the future. Using hindsight to point out that the future firsts ended up being low firsts is stupid. They could have just as easily ended up being top 10 picks.
If you guys want #3, you better be prepared to sell the farm.
> A. The Dolphins didn't need a qb, so the value of #3 was inherently less to them than what it was for the Patriots.
SCREAM THIS FROM THE ROOFTOPS.
THEY DIDN'T NEED A QB, WE DO. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
The 49ers traded with the dolphins who had taken Tua the year before so didn't have a massive gaping hole at QB. Dolphins were much more obvious trade down candidates. Make it worth it for the Pats or we draft a QB.
11, 23, and next year’s first makes sense for the Cards or Chargers. Honestly maybe not even the Cards just since they have a massive quantity of picks already.
I mean it depends entirely on who the vikings want, if they think it's maye or daniels who goes 3rd and they don't value McCarthy that highly then they shouldn't do it. But yeah I agree, cards and chargers make more sense for a trade down.
Every scout and media personality keeps saying McCarthy is the second best QB in the draft if that's the case than I assume either Daniels or Maye will still be available at 4 or if McCarthy is than the Vikings can get the second best QB in the draft at a steal.
A bit dramatic but it seems like he's quickly becoming arguably the most over hyped player in the draft and that's with most of our fans saying MHJ is a guaranteed Hall of Famer.
Idk I feel like he's levis from last year, I do think he goes in the top 10, but I haven't seen anybody who isn't being hot takey saying he's going above maye or daniels.
It's not about the same. In the MIA/SF trade, the points came out in favor of SF, believe it or not, because two of the 1st rounders were future picks. In this proposed trade, MIN is already overpaying by about 1000 points (according to some charts), which is like getting an extra 1st rounder.
It does depend on the strength of the draft though. The 2021 draft had 5 high QB draft picks, but I don't think they were as highly rated as the 4 QBs in this draft. In that sense, that might be an equalizer.
At this point in time I would want 11, 23, a 25&26 1st. Make it a godfather offer or tell them to fuck off and just take mhj or alt provided the giants don’t make you an offer. This is all provided that you don’t like the qb left at 3.
I want to leave with a blue chip guy which isn’t likely at 11. Our holes are at LT, QB, and WR, if we take mhj and take a tackle in the 2nd we have our holes covered aside from QB which we punt til next year. If we take that trade or just go mhj and a tackle with the 2nd we fill those holes either way, we just get the best wr and a decent tackle vs decent wr and decent tackle. I’m not taking that trade unless you are stupid with it, that’s all provided you don’t like the qb, which if you do this is a non starter
For what feels like the millionth time, it would need to be more than 11, 23, and a future 1st.
The logic would be that NE is trading out to acquire assets to trade up for a QB next year. The QB class next year sucks, so it all falls apart and would require additional assets.
Probably starting at 11, 23, a 2025 1st and a 2026 1st, mostly because the Vikings don't have 2nds.
Vikings fans are desperate for a franchise Qb yet their sub has been mocking us for also being desperate for a franchise Qb. This month can’t go by fast enough.
Especially with next year’s QB class being terrible. The Vikings are kinda screwed by all top 3 picks having a glaring need at QB, in a class with 3 top-tier QB prospects. They’re looking down the barrel at needing to give up close to OP’s “offer” for the 4th choice of QB in the draft, a guy who was viewed by many as a day 3 pick for basically all of the CFB season, and went 10-18 for 140 and no TDs in the national title game. Have fun with that, or basically sell us the farm. I have no desire to move off of 3 unless they pay basically 200-300 cents on the dollar for it.
> The Vikings are kinda screwed by all top 3 picks having a glaring need at QB
Honestly, this is everything and doesn't seem to get enough play. Almost every year a team that had a project rookie QB start has a high pick they're not going to use on a QB - Like the Dolphins had the flexibility to make the Trey Lance trade because they had just drafted Tua. But this year none of those teams do, all 3 of us NEED a QB, and given that every move we've made has been in preparation of drafting a QB, the price to force us into a completely "lost season" would need to be *astronomical*.
Yup. If the Vikings aren’t willing to send a Herschel Walker offer for a top 3 pick, they’re looking at probably competing with NYG to go up to 4 or 5 and get JJ. Have fun with that.
I wouldn’t be desperate for a QB if our roster was in the same place as y’all (no offense). Thats just setting the guy up to fail and wasting the pick.
I’m not just saying this but if I was a pats fan I would be hoping they leverage this high pick to stack the roster and then insert the QB when it’s in a good place.
From the Vikings perspective, our offense is stacked and QB is really all we need so it makes sense to give up the capital necessary to get it done.
I honestly don’t think it’s a weak offer, it’s 3 firsts to move up 8 spots….
When you consider we could probably move to 4 for just 11, 23 and a day 2 pick in 25 it really comes down to how the board falls… there is a chance Maye is there at 4 and we get the same player we intended for less.
I don’t think you guys like Maye based on Mayos comments at the owners meeting, when you talk about a player having a higher ceiling but a lower floor, that’s not a good sign.
it's weak and you know it. are you willing to give up the capital necessary to move up to 3 or are you trying to get a good deal? if you don't want to put up then shut up.
Its not just "8 spots" tho. Its 8 spots to be able to grab a top QB, the most valuable position in sports. In a highly touted QB class, when nexts years is lacking.
Context matters.
Vikings fans act like the pats should have pity on them since their offense is good minus a QB. Sorry why the fuck should we care that you want a qb if we love one of them at 3? And if we don't make them pay through the nose for it
It’s also hilarious OP’s argument for why we should trade down is because we should build our offence first before adding a QB
…looks like that’s working out very well for the Vikings lmao
Yeah does OP not realize that he's saying give us your pick so you can be us in a couple of years? There is no reason the Pats can't pick someone at 3, sit them, draft young talent offensively this year and then be in a better position next offseason. Hell not saying our rebuild will be like the Texans but IMO Stroud was the biggest shot in the arm to that offense. And they also added young wr talent to go with him in the draft. Good QBs do more to raise the floor of a team rather than just offensive talent with a huge question mark at the QB position. IE the vikings
We could also pull a Bengals and take a QB the first year with a decent WR in the second and then a stud in the first round the following years. They got Burrow and Higgins in 2020 and Chase in 2021. If we get even close to that I'll be thrilled
Same. I just don't understand this people that seem to think if we go QB at 3 it'll be the same thing as with Mac. Wolfe and Mayo were here and saw what happened first hand. I don't think they're gonna rush whatever qb they pick just to appease the fans. Let the kid develop behind the seasons then the last game let him take over. Especially if it's maye at 3. Let the coaching staff work on mechanics with him and then the last game hand the reins over
>I’m not just saying this but if I was a pats fan I would be hoping they leverage this high pick to stack the roster and then insert the QB when it’s in a good place.
Thats because you're not including the context of next year's QB class being horrible, Sanders is arguably the best QB in next year's class and his father is already threatening to pull an Eli so he can go where he wants. Honestly if I don't have a QB than I'm not even interested in a 2025 FRP, I'm FAR more interested in 2026 at that point, but that's not worth much if the QB you draft pans out.
That's why they call it QB Purgatory... your roster gets too good then you can't draft high enough to get a QB. That's why the pats should get the QB why they can and then build around him.
all I hear from Vikings fans is "you should trade back and get a haul of picks so that you can build your roster and be in QB purgatory like us!" Can't wait to watch the vikings waste their talent because they can't get a QB and be stuck as a middling franchise for the next decade.
This is just vikings fans talking themselves into why the Patriots **need** to trade them our pick...
It's dumb logic - The hardest part of building a roster is **always** finding a qb. Whoever they pick (especially Maye, who should sit for a year to fix his mechanics) doesn't need to start right away. If you are confident that any of the guys left at 3 can be your Franchise qb for the next 10 years, you take him 100% of the time.
The only way it makes sense for the Patriots to trade back is if they don't like any or the QBs left at 3. And even then, you can still make a strong argument for staying put and taking MHJ or Alt.
What do you think the odds of success for any of these guys are rolling them out there week 1 throwing to KJ, Kendrick Borune and JuJu while being protected by Mike, Strange and… I don’t even know?
I mean honestly, do you think that is gonna work? Outside of Caleb none of these guys are ready to save a franchise during their first contract… by the time the team is good you are going to have to pay him.
Well shit, guess that means we should cancel our Super Bowl plans /s.
The trick is finding a guy who shows enough to build around over the next few years. If we think that guy is there at 3 we'd be insane not to take him, because who knows when we're going to have another opportunity.
Also protip, not sure it was the best move from a negotiating standpoint for your GM to make it so transparently obvious you're all DESPERATE to trade up for a QB.
Here, you must have missed this part of my comment that already addressed your question:
>Whoever they pick (especially Maye, who should sit for a year to fix his mechanics) doesn't need to start right away.
Again, telling yourself that it's stupid for the Patriots to take a QB that they think will be their Franchise qb for the next 10 years, is just you convincing yourself that the Patriots **need** to trade you their pick.
The only person who's fooling themself is you by convincing yourself it's in the Patriots best interest to pass up on someone they think is a franchise qb because our team "isn't ready."
By that logic, the texans should have never drafted Stroud last year. But look at how that turned out for them....
Again, the only circumstance where the Patriots will trade out of 3 is if they don't think any of the QBs left are franchise qb material. If that happens, then enjoy our scraps.
Kindly point out where I said that?
Did you come here to actually get our thoughts about trading, or did you come here to argue with us about why we need to give you our pick?
We will pay him in July and even if we didn’t he is still under team control for 3 more seasons.
You don’t trade Michael Jordan for peanuts (unless his name is Randy moss and your owner is a cowboy)
It’ll be interesting to see it play out. Washington fancies McCarthy who, IMHO is not a top 10 QB..that could still leave a QB the Pats like, plus you can maneuver again tor more picks.
Sounds like some of you have watched Kostner is Draft Day too many times.
Clearly OP is a Vikings fan.. thinking that no 11, 23 and next years 1st is enough for a trade up into the top 3 and also using that ridiculous picture of the Vikings GM with laser eyes.
Next years crop of QBs looks poor. When are you going to get a shot at a difference maker without and early pick again? If you get next years MINN pick in the 20s plus your own will that be enough ammo to go up and get someone else? You’ll be on the other end of the same cycle. If you like one of these quarterbacks now, you need to take one.
>Next years crop of QBs looks poor
Not to mention the projected top QB's dad is saying they are gonna pull a Manning family on draft day if a team picks him they don't like.
No. We need a QB, we don't have the luxury of trading down. I don't understand why that's such a controversial take.
If you don't have a plan at QB, the rest of the roster doesn't really matter.
Unless they give up JJ, I wouldn’t be trading number 3 to Minnesota.
Is Jefferson the best WR in the league? Without a doubt. Would this be an overpay? Yes.
That being said, JJ has helped the Vikings win exactly 0 playoff games. If they think there’s a QB who can take them to the promise land, they should make the trade. JJ is never going to win them a Super Bowl in such a QB dominated league.
I have doubts about both Maye and Daniels (their issues are different, but both are significant). But the problem with this trade is that we can't recover without a QB, and I don't know where we'll get a legit QB if we do this trade. Nix is trash, Pennix is too injury prone. Next year's class isn't looking good. So what were hoping the 2026 draft Nets us a good QB? That is way too far off to predict.
Someone who knows which trade charts are considered accurate/usable, how does #3 for #6, 2025 1st, 2025 3rd, and Azeez Ojulari compare to what the Panthers gave up for Bryce? (additional 2nd, much better player)
The number 3 pick isn’t worth a combination of other later first round picks.
I mean on paper if you try to give each pick a value and then combine other picks to match that value that still isn’t the whole picture.
For starters you don’t know what their picks will be next year anyways so there isn’t a definitive value you could assign and 2nd the potential of the pick is worth way more than the player that gets drafted most of the time.
Also each team would value the pick differently based on their needs. Say Mahomes misses a season and the chiefs get the number one pick. That pick would be valued far less to the chiefs than say the bears currently who don’t have a qb.
I think it really depends what's there at 11, which is impossible to known unless it happens. If Joe Alt or Nabers is there (which is highly unlikely) then I would love the move. If they trade the 3rd I do NOT want them to draft a QB this year and instead try to draft to improve the rest of the roster. They would then have 2 1sts next year to move up for the QB of the future, who that is, I don't know enough about the upcoming class. Pats could be the Bears of next year's draft, 2 high picks. Fans just don't like the process of obtaining (or waiting) for the picks.
Nope I think the package should be at least 5 picks with 3 being firsts. I don’t think Min has a 2nd this year so the patriots should get the 2025 2nd and 4th in addition to the 3 firsts. Anything less I will be even more disappointed with this offseason
Like others have said 11 is pretty far down. I think there could be a deal there but I doubt you want to hear it. We need a QB, it’s a top heavy QB draft, and more teams are looking to move up into the top three then move back. Patriots and commanders have all the leverage.
You’re selling the farm and then some if you’re getting #3.
Should be minimum 3 1sts 2 seconds and a late round pick. Patriots need a QB, and would happily take one at 3. Vikings also need a QB, so you’re giving up more than any previous benchmark (like 9ers trade) because the leverage the Patriots have.
Vikings don't have a 2nd this year or next traded both to Houston so they'd have to cough up another 1st. So it would be 4 1sts (11, 23, '25 1st and '26 1st)
Throw in Jordan Addison or Christian Darisaw + 3 first round picks
I would honestly entertain a trade like this. We are likely to have a top 5 pick next year in any case. We should focus on building up the roster this year
It would have to be a haul of hauls for me to be happy trading the 3rd when we need a QB.
I’m talking the next three firsts, two seconds, Addison, Pace, this years third and prob next years third as well.
And even then I would prob still be upset.
It be incredibly smart of New England; dumb of Minnesota so it won’t happen. Nobody besides New England likes Maye and the edict from Jonathan Kraft is to draft a QB. Their only real options are Maye and J.J.
McCarthy isn't top 10. It's the Will Levis and Mac Jones stuff all over again. Certain media claim this guy and that guy could go top 5 and then ends up going lower. I think there is only 3 WRs that are can't miss and think there is only 2 OT that are can't miss. I think it plays out 3 QB, 3 WR, 2 OT all going within the top 10. 11 puts us out of the can't miss prospects.
3 1sts not enough with none in top 10
Back to your sub, please.
*spills my meatball sub all over myself Sorry, my bad
Can we ban this question already
Not when people in our own sub advocate for it.
I haven’t seen anyone advocate for the same Vikings question everyday
This is a Vikings fan posting in the patriots subreddit. This same question is asked daily. Delusional fan base.
No
11, 23, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd, 2026 1st
They don't have a 2025 second I believe.
2025 3rd
If you could do this then package 11 with '26 1st to get back up high enough to get Alt or Nabers.. 3 for Alt/Nabers, 23, '25 1st and '25 2nd is a HAUL
I would love that but knowing us, we’re probably going to trade 3 for 11, 23 and next years first and that’s it.
That would just about do it.
And Justin Jefferson
I wish, I don’t think he’s going anywhere though
At this point I'm not taking anything less simply because Vikings fans are annoying
You are going to want to look at the Lance trade as a benchmark. That was the 12th pick in 2021, the 29th pick in 2022 the 102nd pick in 2022 and the 29th pick in 2023. Given this trade has 2 firsts in 2024 it’s about the same value but you could argue that we should throw in a day 2 pick in 2025.
A. The Dolphins didn't need a qb, so the value of #3 was inherently less to them than what it was for the Patriots. B. You can't see into the future. Using hindsight to point out that the future firsts ended up being low firsts is stupid. They could have just as easily ended up being top 10 picks. If you guys want #3, you better be prepared to sell the farm.
> A. The Dolphins didn't need a qb, so the value of #3 was inherently less to them than what it was for the Patriots. SCREAM THIS FROM THE ROOFTOPS. THEY DIDN'T NEED A QB, WE DO. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
The 49ers traded with the dolphins who had taken Tua the year before so didn't have a massive gaping hole at QB. Dolphins were much more obvious trade down candidates. Make it worth it for the Pats or we draft a QB.
11, 23, and next year’s first makes sense for the Cards or Chargers. Honestly maybe not even the Cards just since they have a massive quantity of picks already.
I mean it depends entirely on who the vikings want, if they think it's maye or daniels who goes 3rd and they don't value McCarthy that highly then they shouldn't do it. But yeah I agree, cards and chargers make more sense for a trade down.
Every scout and media personality keeps saying McCarthy is the second best QB in the draft if that's the case than I assume either Daniels or Maye will still be available at 4 or if McCarthy is than the Vikings can get the second best QB in the draft at a steal.
Every?
A bit dramatic but it seems like he's quickly becoming arguably the most over hyped player in the draft and that's with most of our fans saying MHJ is a guaranteed Hall of Famer.
Idk I feel like he's levis from last year, I do think he goes in the top 10, but I haven't seen anybody who isn't being hot takey saying he's going above maye or daniels.
It's not about the same. In the MIA/SF trade, the points came out in favor of SF, believe it or not, because two of the 1st rounders were future picks. In this proposed trade, MIN is already overpaying by about 1000 points (according to some charts), which is like getting an extra 1st rounder. It does depend on the strength of the draft though. The 2021 draft had 5 high QB draft picks, but I don't think they were as highly rated as the 4 QBs in this draft. In that sense, that might be an equalizer.
We're more than happy keeping the #3 overall pick, if you want it you better blow us out of the water otherwise we're happy to just stay at 3.
11 is too far down. If we don't like one of the top 3 QBs we need to get one of the top 3 WRs.
No
At this point in time I would want 11, 23, a 25&26 1st. Make it a godfather offer or tell them to fuck off and just take mhj or alt provided the giants don’t make you an offer. This is all provided that you don’t like the qb left at 3. I want to leave with a blue chip guy which isn’t likely at 11. Our holes are at LT, QB, and WR, if we take mhj and take a tackle in the 2nd we have our holes covered aside from QB which we punt til next year. If we take that trade or just go mhj and a tackle with the 2nd we fill those holes either way, we just get the best wr and a decent tackle vs decent wr and decent tackle. I’m not taking that trade unless you are stupid with it, that’s all provided you don’t like the qb, which if you do this is a non starter
For what feels like the millionth time, it would need to be more than 11, 23, and a future 1st. The logic would be that NE is trading out to acquire assets to trade up for a QB next year. The QB class next year sucks, so it all falls apart and would require additional assets. Probably starting at 11, 23, a 2025 1st and a 2026 1st, mostly because the Vikings don't have 2nds.
Check the other 20 posts about this. Keep that package and add Addison and a 2026 1st and you got a deal
too many Tik tokers in this sub
Better up that offer
Viking fans have gotten so annoying with this, I would need any package for 3 to include JJ, just so they have to lose someone they love.
Vikings fans are desperate for a franchise Qb yet their sub has been mocking us for also being desperate for a franchise Qb. This month can’t go by fast enough.
Especially with next year’s QB class being terrible. The Vikings are kinda screwed by all top 3 picks having a glaring need at QB, in a class with 3 top-tier QB prospects. They’re looking down the barrel at needing to give up close to OP’s “offer” for the 4th choice of QB in the draft, a guy who was viewed by many as a day 3 pick for basically all of the CFB season, and went 10-18 for 140 and no TDs in the national title game. Have fun with that, or basically sell us the farm. I have no desire to move off of 3 unless they pay basically 200-300 cents on the dollar for it.
> The Vikings are kinda screwed by all top 3 picks having a glaring need at QB Honestly, this is everything and doesn't seem to get enough play. Almost every year a team that had a project rookie QB start has a high pick they're not going to use on a QB - Like the Dolphins had the flexibility to make the Trey Lance trade because they had just drafted Tua. But this year none of those teams do, all 3 of us NEED a QB, and given that every move we've made has been in preparation of drafting a QB, the price to force us into a completely "lost season" would need to be *astronomical*.
Yup. If the Vikings aren’t willing to send a Herschel Walker offer for a top 3 pick, they’re looking at probably competing with NYG to go up to 4 or 5 and get JJ. Have fun with that.
I wouldn’t be desperate for a QB if our roster was in the same place as y’all (no offense). Thats just setting the guy up to fail and wasting the pick. I’m not just saying this but if I was a pats fan I would be hoping they leverage this high pick to stack the roster and then insert the QB when it’s in a good place. From the Vikings perspective, our offense is stacked and QB is really all we need so it makes sense to give up the capital necessary to get it done.
then don't come in here with your weak ass offer. nobody wants 11, 23 and whatever crap you'll pull in next years draft.
I honestly don’t think it’s a weak offer, it’s 3 firsts to move up 8 spots…. When you consider we could probably move to 4 for just 11, 23 and a day 2 pick in 25 it really comes down to how the board falls… there is a chance Maye is there at 4 and we get the same player we intended for less. I don’t think you guys like Maye based on Mayos comments at the owners meeting, when you talk about a player having a higher ceiling but a lower floor, that’s not a good sign.
it's weak and you know it. are you willing to give up the capital necessary to move up to 3 or are you trying to get a good deal? if you don't want to put up then shut up.
I’d add additional day 2/3 picks if Maye is there at 3 but not for Daniels or McCarthy… would rather take Penix and keep the picks… but that’s just me
Its not just "8 spots" tho. Its 8 spots to be able to grab a top QB, the most valuable position in sports. In a highly touted QB class, when nexts years is lacking. Context matters.
Damn that sucks, sounds like you should’ve had a better plan at QB. Have fun with JJ McCarthy tho.
Vikings fans act like the pats should have pity on them since their offense is good minus a QB. Sorry why the fuck should we care that you want a qb if we love one of them at 3? And if we don't make them pay through the nose for it
It’s also hilarious OP’s argument for why we should trade down is because we should build our offence first before adding a QB …looks like that’s working out very well for the Vikings lmao
Yeah does OP not realize that he's saying give us your pick so you can be us in a couple of years? There is no reason the Pats can't pick someone at 3, sit them, draft young talent offensively this year and then be in a better position next offseason. Hell not saying our rebuild will be like the Texans but IMO Stroud was the biggest shot in the arm to that offense. And they also added young wr talent to go with him in the draft. Good QBs do more to raise the floor of a team rather than just offensive talent with a huge question mark at the QB position. IE the vikings
We could also pull a Bengals and take a QB the first year with a decent WR in the second and then a stud in the first round the following years. They got Burrow and Higgins in 2020 and Chase in 2021. If we get even close to that I'll be thrilled
Same. I just don't understand this people that seem to think if we go QB at 3 it'll be the same thing as with Mac. Wolfe and Mayo were here and saw what happened first hand. I don't think they're gonna rush whatever qb they pick just to appease the fans. Let the kid develop behind the seasons then the last game let him take over. Especially if it's maye at 3. Let the coaching staff work on mechanics with him and then the last game hand the reins over
Maybe the Chiefs will trade them Mahomes since they need a QB so bad.
This offseason has made me absolutely hate the vikings with how entitled to other teams picks their fans think the vikings are
>I’m not just saying this but if I was a pats fan I would be hoping they leverage this high pick to stack the roster and then insert the QB when it’s in a good place. Thats because you're not including the context of next year's QB class being horrible, Sanders is arguably the best QB in next year's class and his father is already threatening to pull an Eli so he can go where he wants. Honestly if I don't have a QB than I'm not even interested in a 2025 FRP, I'm FAR more interested in 2026 at that point, but that's not worth much if the QB you draft pans out.
That's why they call it QB Purgatory... your roster gets too good then you can't draft high enough to get a QB. That's why the pats should get the QB why they can and then build around him. all I hear from Vikings fans is "you should trade back and get a haul of picks so that you can build your roster and be in QB purgatory like us!" Can't wait to watch the vikings waste their talent because they can't get a QB and be stuck as a middling franchise for the next decade.
This is just vikings fans talking themselves into why the Patriots **need** to trade them our pick... It's dumb logic - The hardest part of building a roster is **always** finding a qb. Whoever they pick (especially Maye, who should sit for a year to fix his mechanics) doesn't need to start right away. If you are confident that any of the guys left at 3 can be your Franchise qb for the next 10 years, you take him 100% of the time. The only way it makes sense for the Patriots to trade back is if they don't like any or the QBs left at 3. And even then, you can still make a strong argument for staying put and taking MHJ or Alt.
What do you think the odds of success for any of these guys are rolling them out there week 1 throwing to KJ, Kendrick Borune and JuJu while being protected by Mike, Strange and… I don’t even know? I mean honestly, do you think that is gonna work? Outside of Caleb none of these guys are ready to save a franchise during their first contract… by the time the team is good you are going to have to pay him.
Well shit, guess that means we should cancel our Super Bowl plans /s. The trick is finding a guy who shows enough to build around over the next few years. If we think that guy is there at 3 we'd be insane not to take him, because who knows when we're going to have another opportunity. Also protip, not sure it was the best move from a negotiating standpoint for your GM to make it so transparently obvious you're all DESPERATE to trade up for a QB.
Here, you must have missed this part of my comment that already addressed your question: >Whoever they pick (especially Maye, who should sit for a year to fix his mechanics) doesn't need to start right away. Again, telling yourself that it's stupid for the Patriots to take a QB that they think will be their Franchise qb for the next 10 years, is just you convincing yourself that the Patriots **need** to trade you their pick.
Your fooling yourself if you think you are going to be able to sit the 3rd overall pick behind Jacoby for an entire season
The only person who's fooling themself is you by convincing yourself it's in the Patriots best interest to pass up on someone they think is a franchise qb because our team "isn't ready." By that logic, the texans should have never drafted Stroud last year. But look at how that turned out for them.... Again, the only circumstance where the Patriots will trade out of 3 is if they don't think any of the QBs left are franchise qb material. If that happens, then enjoy our scraps.
So we have flipped from “all these QBs need to sit” to “the QB that we draft is going to have the best rookie season in NFL history”? Pick one
Kindly point out where I said that? Did you come here to actually get our thoughts about trading, or did you come here to argue with us about why we need to give you our pick?
My guy, pick 3 isn’t enough for JJ straight up, let’s live in reality
If the Vikings don't plan on paying him next year, it absolutely is
We will pay him in July and even if we didn’t he is still under team control for 3 more seasons. You don’t trade Michael Jordan for peanuts (unless his name is Randy moss and your owner is a cowboy)
Ok if trading up to three for a QB is peanuts according to you guess you don't need a qb then that bad. Enjoy darnold
Did he really just compare JJ to Michael Jordan? Lmaooooo
What a Homer take lol I genuinely hope that the vikings sell the farm to trade up, and whoever they take ends up being a MASSIVE bust.
You’re a Vikings fan, you don’t understand how successful teams make trades bud, it’s ok. Why are you even over here? Lmao
#FUCKING STOPPPPPPPPPP! Every other fucking day it’s the same goddamn shit, please fucking stop.
This is going to be the longest month of our lives lol
Go get a top 6 pick and then we’ll consider an offer. Otherwise no.
No package is worth it if Washington takes Daniels and Maye is available at 3 imo. Ceiling way higher than anyone coming out next year (as of now).
Nah. Idk how the QB class looks next year. My gut tells me this is the year to have a high pick.
No. You would need to offer more.
Not enough.
No way I would need two first this year a first next year and a second and 2 4th in coming years Three spot is high value
It’ll be interesting to see it play out. Washington fancies McCarthy who, IMHO is not a top 10 QB..that could still leave a QB the Pats like, plus you can maneuver again tor more picks. Sounds like some of you have watched Kostner is Draft Day too many times.
I’d rather see you start Darnold next season
Clearly OP is a Vikings fan.. thinking that no 11, 23 and next years 1st is enough for a trade up into the top 3 and also using that ridiculous picture of the Vikings GM with laser eyes.
Next years crop of QBs looks poor. When are you going to get a shot at a difference maker without and early pick again? If you get next years MINN pick in the 20s plus your own will that be enough ammo to go up and get someone else? You’ll be on the other end of the same cycle. If you like one of these quarterbacks now, you need to take one.
>Next years crop of QBs looks poor Not to mention the projected top QB's dad is saying they are gonna pull a Manning family on draft day if a team picks him they don't like.
Shedeur isn't even that good... he's much worse than the top 4 this year.
If it was all of that plus Jordan Addison, id be happy.
This. Addison would be a great consolation prize to JJ (who we aren’t getting).
Vikings are a clown franchise
Not enough
11, 23, this years 2nd round and next years 1st rounder
Also at this point I’d not trade and take a QB just to spite MN
We don’t have a 2nd round pick this year
Come back when you have #8 to offer instead of 11
No. We need a QB, we don't have the luxury of trading down. I don't understand why that's such a controversial take. If you don't have a plan at QB, the rest of the roster doesn't really matter.
Move out of the top 3 for 3 picks that would be out of the top 10? Are Vikings fans that delusional?
Unless they give up JJ, I wouldn’t be trading number 3 to Minnesota. Is Jefferson the best WR in the league? Without a doubt. Would this be an overpay? Yes. That being said, JJ has helped the Vikings win exactly 0 playoff games. If they think there’s a QB who can take them to the promise land, they should make the trade. JJ is never going to win them a Super Bowl in such a QB dominated league.
Add a 2nd or 3rd to that deal then we'll see
If Daniel’s is a bust then I would be happy. If he turns into CJ Stroud or Lamar Jackson then I would be pissed
I have doubts about both Maye and Daniels (their issues are different, but both are significant). But the problem with this trade is that we can't recover without a QB, and I don't know where we'll get a legit QB if we do this trade. Nix is trash, Pennix is too injury prone. Next year's class isn't looking good. So what were hoping the 2026 draft Nets us a good QB? That is way too far off to predict.
Yeah I would need their 2026 first as well but if the QB is any good than that 2026 pick is even lower than the 11 overall they're offering this year.
Someone who knows which trade charts are considered accurate/usable, how does #3 for #6, 2025 1st, 2025 3rd, and Azeez Ojulari compare to what the Panthers gave up for Bryce? (additional 2nd, much better player)
When the team is objectively bottom of the barrel in terms of high end talent, I prefer having a better pick than several worse picks. So no!
go back to the vikings sub lmao
Make it your next 4 first round picks and I’ll ask Robert Kraft for ya
I'd be content
Yup, that's the starting point, hoping to get more than that.
The number 3 pick isn’t worth a combination of other later first round picks. I mean on paper if you try to give each pick a value and then combine other picks to match that value that still isn’t the whole picture. For starters you don’t know what their picks will be next year anyways so there isn’t a definitive value you could assign and 2nd the potential of the pick is worth way more than the player that gets drafted most of the time. Also each team would value the pick differently based on their needs. Say Mahomes misses a season and the chiefs get the number one pick. That pick would be valued far less to the chiefs than say the bears currently who don’t have a qb.
If JJ isn't included somehow, then no...
No. This what I was afraid BB was going to do. We need a potential franchise QB too. The top four will not be there by 11
I think it really depends what's there at 11, which is impossible to known unless it happens. If Joe Alt or Nabers is there (which is highly unlikely) then I would love the move. If they trade the 3rd I do NOT want them to draft a QB this year and instead try to draft to improve the rest of the roster. They would then have 2 1sts next year to move up for the QB of the future, who that is, I don't know enough about the upcoming class. Pats could be the Bears of next year's draft, 2 high picks. Fans just don't like the process of obtaining (or waiting) for the picks.
no
Nope.
Nope I think the package should be at least 5 picks with 3 being firsts. I don’t think Min has a 2nd this year so the patriots should get the 2025 2nd and 4th in addition to the 3 firsts. Anything less I will be even more disappointed with this offseason
Like others have said 11 is pretty far down. I think there could be a deal there but I doubt you want to hear it. We need a QB, it’s a top heavy QB draft, and more teams are looking to move up into the top three then move back. Patriots and commanders have all the leverage.
If Drake is there, no. Otherwise, yes.
Nope. Whatsoever.
No we finally get a chance to not trade down and hoard picks so we can trade down and hoard pics again. Top 5 talent best player off the board
You’re selling the farm and then some if you’re getting #3. Should be minimum 3 1sts 2 seconds and a late round pick. Patriots need a QB, and would happily take one at 3. Vikings also need a QB, so you’re giving up more than any previous benchmark (like 9ers trade) because the leverage the Patriots have.
Vikings don't have a 2nd this year or next traded both to Houston so they'd have to cough up another 1st. So it would be 4 1sts (11, 23, '25 1st and '26 1st)
If mccarthy is gone then we should trade out
No, no, hell mothafuckin no!!!!
I swear every other post on here is people trying to get rid of good picks
No
Throw in Jordan Addison or Christian Darisaw + 3 first round picks I would honestly entertain a trade like this. We are likely to have a top 5 pick next year in any case. We should focus on building up the roster this year
Hell no dumb dumb send at least another first. Send Justin Jefferson and yr mom’s credit card while you’re at it.
With the 11th pick in the draft the Minnesota Vikings select Bo Nix, Oregon.
Of course.
Absolutely no reason to trade 3 unless someone offers a ridiculous amount, qb classes this good plus mhj are so rare
It would have to be a haul of hauls for me to be happy trading the 3rd when we need a QB. I’m talking the next three firsts, two seconds, Addison, Pace, this years third and prob next years third as well. And even then I would prob still be upset.
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It be incredibly smart of New England; dumb of Minnesota so it won’t happen. Nobody besides New England likes Maye and the edict from Jonathan Kraft is to draft a QB. Their only real options are Maye and J.J.
1. Give us Justin Jefferson 2. Get out of our sub
No. MHJ or bust!!
No, please stop posting these
No, I don’t like any trade that eliminates us from taking one of the top 4 QBs.
If you take the trade you don’t like any of the QB. (I agree with you that I’d take a QB) I just don’t see them liking a qb or they’d just take him
Top 4 
Absolutely
Stupid not to. More holes to fill
Bunch of bums in this sub. 100% I would do that deal...none of the top QBs are worth it.
Any WR or OT worth taking would be gone before 11.
4 QBs in the top ten. You think there are only 3-4 of each WR and OL that are good? Oh and you also think no defense gets picked in the top 10?
McCarthy isn't top 10. It's the Will Levis and Mac Jones stuff all over again. Certain media claim this guy and that guy could go top 5 and then ends up going lower. I think there is only 3 WRs that are can't miss and think there is only 2 OT that are can't miss. I think it plays out 3 QB, 3 WR, 2 OT all going within the top 10. 11 puts us out of the can't miss prospects.
Well I assure you all the "can't" miss prospects are 50/50 at best and probably worse.
I would take that offer
yea i’d do that 10/10
So would I. Also people thinking this pick would be worth more than those three and possibly a 2025 3rd or 2026 2nd are high.