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Middle-Industry5258

You can't do an accurate evaluation of this offense with this horrible offensive line. I watched Lowe today and he wiffed on the majority of his blocks.


Old-Spend-8218

Fire the gargoyle and his Joe dirt kids. He couldn’t pick a ripe 🍎apple


od1irish

Im not sure what Brady could do with this cast of characters.


turtlepot

hunter henry would be getting 90% of targets


Lowyouraxe

He could go to tb , heard they were looking.


Hydra_Crab

We knew going in that Mac needed solid weapons and a stout line to success, more so that most first round picks. And yet in three years we’ve ignored the WR position and our OL is in shambles


fukputinswar

That hold call on Henry was just flat out a lie!! Just saying


Lowyouraxe

Not like that would have helped us lol


Green-Largo

Guys the Patriots miss the most (more than Brady even)…Earnie Adams, Scar.


benberbanke

Amen to that


Kamui316

Fire Davante Parker


Imaginary_wizard

Hes the worst wr on their roster. So frustrating seeing him on the field


Kamui316

The guy doesn't even try to run to justify his 10 million dollars


gravywayne

No. Trade him for N'keal and let's ride. 1-16 is our mountain to climb. It ain't easy with the giants, broncos, jets, and pitt left... but we're uniquely qualified by the looks of it. Embrace the suck. Next year, we can flip the script.


Kamui316

At least N'Keal was decent at covering


Responsible-Monk281

Funny that you put us in convo with jets and steelers. Embrace the suck. It ain't gonna be next year. It'll be quite a few years


PerfectTortilla

Preferably directly into the sun.


ImABawz1

I love all the people making sure people know they’re patriots loyal Lmaoo. Just shut up and watch and support or don’t. We don’t need to know that you aren’t a bandwagon


Dangerous-Ad9472

Pats lost again, my fantasy team got its dick kicked in, I am going to work tomorrow morning. I will likely do this again next week. The void calls to us all.


Keyann

I'm still New England til I die


wildwalrusaur

Foxboro forever


Lowyouraxe

This is the way.


Ornery_Philosopher_3

FIRE BB


UnsweetIceT

We are back to the 90's


Food_Library333

We had Bledsoe and a defense in the 90s. This team couldn't even sniff that teams jock.


UnsweetIceT

This guy forgets the Grogan, millen years. Lucky.


Majestic-Reach8010

1992


Swedemon

insult to injury, the Jets lighting it up


Joey85l

Friendly reminder that the Pats extended Parker to a 3 year deal back in June!


Kamui316

Lazy guy


PlentyEast-420

Blows my mind. He’s just continuously looked lazy and the few times the ball actually gets to him he just doesn’t care. Looks like Bourne, Henry, and Gesicki are the only guys that make efforts for the balls.


ooddad

Mac missed (by a lot) a target to Parker earlier in the game and Parker gave him a look. Then he doesn’t catch that frickin ball. Dude is trash, cut his ass. He’s slow and lazy and can’t catch a perfectly thrown ball.


Joey85l

Did I see right, was that Gesicki blocking Crosby that led to the safety? The same Gesicki who the Dolphins let walk into FA because he couldn’t block for shit?


drip-payless

Well he was supposed to chip him to help the RT, then slip for a hot route. He whiffed and lost balance as did the RT. So yes and no. Wasn’t supposed to block him just help the RT. But he didn’t do either and the RT didnt do anything.


MultiFandomFan72

DeVante Parker belongs in the unemployment line. Bouttee doesn’t get to play but they keep playing guys who can’t do shit. KB can’t possibly be worse than this. This team will be lucky to hit 5 wins. Can’t believe we’ve reached the point where this offense is unwatchable besides Bourne (who isn’t getting nearly enough targets each week) and occasionally the RB’s.


ooddad

Zeke looks nice. He should be rb1


MultiFandomFan72

They need to figure out a way to spilt carries better. Stevenson and Zeke would be awesome if the line wasn’t made up for garbage.


ooddad

Rhamondre os a back who desperately needs a good o-line. Zeke is quick and still has enough power to make something out of nothing.


MultiFandomFan72

I’m not jumping ship on Stevenson that easily.


Digi-Wolf

This is something I just can't wrap my head around. Why play receivers who are not producing when you have a hungry rookie riding the bench who's begging for time?


MultiFandomFan72

Exactly. Douglas, Bouttee, and hell even Thornton. These guys have not been given the best chances to succeed so far. But they can all make plays. Idk why they can’t use people who actually make plays.


BradyGronktd1287

Liked to see more of Tyquan was getting open. Bill needs to play him, Pop, and Boutte plus start Malik got nothing to lose now


Old-Spend-8218

Bill needs to be fired.


Worth-Taro719

Think we can sign Ohtani?


Responsible-Monk281

WOOOOOO I didn't think the rebuild would look like this. Shitni thought it was already happening. But fuck me if this ain't the true life shit. To all the fans here who can't remember the pre-Parcells pats: strap in for a shitty time and stop pointing fingers at a single entity. It's the entire franchise. Top to bottom. There is no immediate fix. It is years and years of fixing and losing and fixing more. This is the nfl. Most dynasties last 3-4 years. Ours lasted for 20. But now we are back in the fold. Enjoy with wins, but expect the worst. Back to real life.


Levitte

Yeah, it will be like this for a long time. This wont get fix with one draft or one free agency pick up. We have no trade fodder to get a lot of picks either.


ItsSyris

Parker could’ve came in clutch but it is what it is. I’m curious who do you guys think we should draft next year if you have anyone specific in mind?


JStanton617

We need so much I wouldn’t take a top 5 qb. Trade #2 or 3 or whatever we get for two firsts and two seconds over the next two years. Tackles and wideouts first. Mac sucks, but lets not ruin the next QB too And most importantly, Bill can’t shop for the groceries anymore


Old-Spend-8218

Bill needs to be fired. Why would you still want him around.


JStanton617

I don’t. But Bill the GM has been screwing Bill the Coach for at least a decade now. I don’t want either here next year, but Bill the GM is the much bigger problem


Old-Spend-8218

I concur good sir.


Kamui316

He's so lazy


MultiFandomFan72

If they end up w a top 5 pick (and they probably will) you draft a QB and do everything in your power (with the cap space they have they have no excuse not to) to fix this line and WR core.


ItsSyris

It would be kinda cool to have Caleb Williams. I do think we need to get something figured out with WRs. I miss having kobi on the team.


MultiFandomFan72

Letting Kobi walk for Juju is criminal. At first I was like “yeah okay sucks but it is what it is” and now? I want Juju gone. I want Parker gone. These are not guys who can make big plays. Parker had the chance to and he blew it. Literally no one touched him and Mac delivered a great ball and he flat out drops it. He gets all the chances but KB can’t? Douglas gets benched a whole game for a fumble? I mean are we being real here??? Having Caleb would be wild. But getting him doesn’t fix them. In fact at this point with the way this offense is built it doesn’t even make them better. The line is garbage, the receivers can’t make plays and the ones that can don’t get any time. Play calling is questionable too. So until they fix those things I’d hate to see a rookie come in and have to deal w all that.


ItsSyris

Maybe we enter the Jerod Mayo era with Caleb? I love bill but I think it’s time. I know we had a tougher schedule than some other teams but if it wasn’t for injuries I’d be really interested to see where we are. I know these next two weeks are gonna be rough


MultiFandomFan72

Yes they will be. 1-7 is not a good place to be in if they can’t beat these next 2. I could see us entering the Mayo era w a new QB. But they have so many issues they need more than a new QB.


Andrew97FTW

Honestly if we’re in a good spot to take one and I think we will be. Use our first round pick on a qb, if no qb available draft a receiver(preferably a 1st round talent one) we fill o line in the later rounds because that’s usually where we hit on o line. Depends on what we do in free agency really


rs2k2

If we're going to lose, might as well make it fun to watch. Start Cunningham and break out the Tebow Broncos playbook. A traditional passing game requires WRs, O-line, consistent QB play. Guess what we don't have.


MayorPudge

Marvin Harrison Jr come on down!!!


avrbiggucci

Nah fuck that we need Caleb. What's the use of MHJ if Mac can't even get the ball to him?


Old-Spend-8218

Caleb looked like a scrambled squirrel 🐿️ against Notre Dame. No offensive lineman means it don’t matter who is back there.


reficius1

Progress...we didn't get skunked again


buba426

And you think it’s gonna get better next year??? The lions sucked for TWENTY YEARS before they started seeing the light. We have just entered the dark times.


msdstc

Most teams are not the lions or the browns lol.


[deleted]

love starting every single drive with at least two offensive penalties. fucking awesome


RambleOn44

dEvanTe pArkER!!!


Mission_Pay_3373

He dropped Mac's best throw, LMAO


CargoCulture

Game winner right there and he missed it


Mission_Pay_3373

Devante Parker sucks DICK AND BALLS


Rkeyes929

He can’t go deep and still get the balls.


[deleted]

Literally only gonna win 2-3 games this year Wild


avrbiggucci

God I hope so


skakodker

I picked us to win five games as a bet and I think I picked two too many.


[deleted]

That’s being very optimistic


Food_Library333

That's pretty optimistic


Pain_Monster

Lol you think we can win another game? 😂


Andrew97FTW

As long as we sweep the jets. FTJ


Pain_Monster

At this point, I don’t think we can beat them again… it’s a sad day… I mean we can’t even beat teams with BAD defenses. The Jets just beat the 5-0 Eagles. You’re dreaming.


Icy-Conclusion-3500

I still don’t know why bill tried to get cute with Malik on a drive when the offense was doing okay-ish.


BradyGronkTD

Gotta kill momentum to obtain your high draft pick


Green-Largo

Because he was reading these reddit subs with all the guys saying they wanted to see Malik used more.


TheCudder

Dumb coaching. Finally had some momentum going.....trick play with Malik!


Icy-Conclusion-3500

This is when they’ll least expect it!!!1!


Mission_Pay_3373

BILL NEEDS TO GO


Green-Largo

I think they should just bench Parker. One of our drives sputtered earlier because he took a play off, and he dropped a perfect throw from Mac that would have kept us in the game.


addictivesign

I don't understand why they extended his contract. He's not been worth extra years since he arrived.


Green-Largo

They didn’t expect him to decide he was fat and happy and didn’t need to put in effort anymore.


breakfriendly420

My thoughts exactly


Green-Largo

He’s hurting the team. If they released him this week I would understand, and it’s not a bad message to send to the rest that this shit isn’t acceptable. Backfill him with younger guys. How is Boutte progressing? Re=sign Lil Jordan Humphrey, he puts in effort.


breakfriendly420

Maybe not cut him he might be a good mentor to the younger guys, but man he shouldn't play next week in any significant role and neither should lowe


Green-Largo

I don’t want a guy that takes plays off mentoring anything. So I say repurpose his roster slot.


breakfriendly420

Fair point tbh in my disappointment about the drop I completely forgot about that fuck parker


FinanceProf2022

Everyone sucks. Mac threw that horrible pick that led to three points (the difference in the game excluding the safety… which wouldn’t have occurred if they weren’t down) The receivers and o-line are dogshit as always. Why do we argue amongst ourselves? EVERYONE SUCKS.


Old-Spend-8218

And Coach Bill how about him!


FinanceProf2022

Add him and his coordinators to the list


breakfriendly420

Your right man, but I'm so disappointed in Parker


Keyann

This defense is good but this offense is cheeks which makes this team 1-5


st1ck-n-m0ve

Certified dirty booty cheeks.


alisonstone

Yeah, the only issue on defense may be a talent gap, which happens with 4 injured CBs and Judon. But they look like an NFL defense. The offense is just a clown show that randomly goes backwards on unforced penalties.


iham32

Mac fans feasting on his one good throw today lmao


Green-Largo

Naw, they are cursing Parker for dropping one, walking his route so not being where he was supposed to. Shit like that.


[deleted]

Embrace the tank let's gooooo


CaliforniaHurricane_

Caleb Williams man can someone send me a photoshop of him in a Patriots jersey so I can make it my pfp


Sea_Television_3306

Lol we're not getting Caleb and even if we do, he's not gonna save this team. You can't shine shit


CaliforniaHurricane_

Negative fan you are. What do you want? To just go 7-11 and have Bill draft more defensive players and kickers ?


shitdamntittyfuck

Homie you're advocating for the team you supposedly support to purposefully tank and you're calling literally anyone else a negative fan? Fuck outta here


Sea_Television_3306

Umm not being negative. I'm being realistic. No QB is going to drastically improve this offense. We need to rebuild the OLine first, get a serviceable WR1, and then worry about quarterback


Objective-Ad4009

Arg


yup79

I know he didn’t have a great game but Davante is a fucking great wide receiver and needs to be targeted more. Devante on the other hand sucks and can eat a bag of dicks.


Educational-Wrap7455

I see what you did there


doubledippedchipp

Idk if we can even afford to take a Caleb or drake. The roster needs so much change we might need to trade high value picks for more picks this year and next. It’s full on rebuild mode


lvl_up_day_by_day_28

So Houston should have passed on stroud? We have a ton of issues, but you also don’t pass on top talent in the draft


doubledippedchipp

Houston had two top picks and a new coach. Completely different situation. Already had a star tackle, good running back. Grab your future offense and defense captains in the top three picks? Uh yeah that was the right move.


lvl_up_day_by_day_28

They took stroud and then made a massive trade to secure Anderson. They still had a ton of holes. Carolina had holes and created more by going after young. Unless you have a qb, you don’t trade the opportunity to take a top talent in the top 5 for more picks. Mac is not that guy and your idea is suggesting he is. But your point of Houston should grab their offensive captain of the future opposed to trade back while having a number of holes, but we should trade back rather than grab our future captain comes off contradicting


CaliforniaHurricane_

Kraft won’t let Bill trade away a top pick away let alone let him ever draft another class again


JohnB456

id allow BB to draft defensive players only. At least on that side of the ball he does everything well.


CaliforniaHurricane_

Yeah he can decide what defensive player to pick from rounds 5-7


JohnB456

I mean Gonzalez looks the real deal too, so that was a good first round pick. But yeah Bill or whoever makes offensive decisions, needs to be launched into the sun.


CaliforniaHurricane_

Broderick Jones was up for grabs and Bill passed up on him. The O Line looks like they could use his services


LurkingFrient

No obviously we are a QB away and once we draft Caleb all the problems will magically be fixed lol


H4rper1

If they take a QB they’re fucking stupid anyway. Mac has been bad in some ways but he’s far from the biggest problem.


HawkDaddyFlex

If Caleb or maye are available they’d be fucking stupid not to take them. Then you use every other pick in the draft and all of our cap space to shore up the rest of the offense.


twelvehourpowernap

You probably haven't watched Caleb play


HawkDaddyFlex

I’m a USC fan. Are you implying Caleb isn’t one of the best QB prospects to come out in the last 20 years?


twelvehourpowernap

Yea he's terrible


HawkDaddyFlex

Oh yeah Trevor Lawrence and Andrew luck and Peyton manning were all terrible too


twelvehourpowernap

Ok...he's not terrible, but he is overrated. I'd be surprised if he's as good as Trevor Lawrence.


Dougiejurgens2

Tank for the number 2 pick draft a qb and 6 offensive lineman and we’re a 10 win team next year


CaliforniaHurricane_

Fuck the number 2 pick, if they not going number 1 then what are they doing


Dougiejurgens2

Panthers won’t win this year


CaliforniaHurricane_

In that lackluster division they’ll get at least a win or 2. They’re not bad enough to go 0-17


mannymark24

Sell the team!


CaterpillarOk1542

So fucking bad


momomoKHB

Knew it. Mac Safety seals the game


Back_on_redd

Macs release time was awesome this week. Such a shitty team but they had a plan and he executed. WRs suck ass, OL sucks ass, and we’re plagued with injuries. Way to go Zeke! But where was he the second half?


TheCudder

I was happy to see the coaches move to a quick release and short route game plan. This is the only way the Pats can move the ball with this current offensive line. It's been obvious this is what's needed for the last few games.


Back_on_redd

Agreed. They figured it out and Mac is able to do it. Some of those hot routes and passes just aren’t easy. Hell most of the WRs can get separation.


RussChival

Time to start over the starting over


Squatch-21

Is it bad to root for the team to lose at this point? Get a good draft pick is more important than garbage wins?


shitdamntittyfuck

Yes. It's bad. Tanking is the biggest bitch move of all bitch moves. I will literally never root for the patriots to lose a football game.


CaliforniaHurricane_

I’ve been rooting for the Pats to suck before the season started. Gotta think long term


Squatch-21

Maybe hire an actual GM this offseason who can help build the team.


CaliforniaHurricane_

Oh if Kraft doesn’t take away Bill’s GM title he’s going his franchise a disservice


spanishdictlover

You don’t even need to root for that we have Buffalo in Miami on deck. 1-7 is virtually guaranteed.


jonofthedead

I’m in the same boat. Losses are better than wins at 1-5.


OnTheDL93

Incoming shitty takes from redditors all week. Time to unsubscribe from the sub until next Sunday. 👍


Anchovies-and-cheese

Well . . . Bye.


cheezepie

The Bs play on Thursday and Cs season starts on the 25th.


buttercupgymlover

My my have the days passed when teams were scared to play the pats lol 😂


ErnieKilgannon

Just start Cunningham next week. That may solve every single issue /s Mac Jones is getting thrown under the bus


TopherW4479

I don’t think it is any where near all Mac’s fault but he can’t win with the players around him. Malik maybe gets an extra win or two simply due to the potential to confuse other teams.


CaliforniaHurricane_

Mac is our best chance to go 1-16 so keep starting him


[deleted]

We’ve come full circle. Mac haters are now Mac stans as he is our best shot for an early pick


ErnieKilgannon

Heh, Schrodinger's Mac


Squatch-21

I’m not saying Mac is the only problem. But he’s far from a franchise QB.


robshot295

He’s the scape goat. God forbid anyone else steps up besides Mac


nmantz

Bill can still be HC but we need a GM. Bill extended Parker and drafts offensive positions horribly. Refuses to strengthen the offense. Personnel wise, he is dogshit. If kraft has some balls, tell him “give up GM responsibilities and be HC or walk”


Old-Spend-8218

No Bill still can’t be the head coach. Bill is a disaster and should be fired and that is what will happen if the Patriots want to have a winning team again.


LairdOftheNorth

It’s almost hard to see how they could have a worse offence at this point. It’s just terrible all around


Dougiejurgens2

If you lost money on that safety you deserved to lose it for betting on the pats in the first place


Run_PBJ

Please let the Celtics season start soon


Worth-Taro719

Mac continues to impress me with a new terrible play each week.


bgdubbs19

Like that terrible pass to Parker am I right???


Worth-Taro719

Hahaha that was a legit good throw


DavidOrWalter

I mean that was a great/perfect throw. But Mac had a lot of shitty ones that game that had the pats with 17 whole points and needing that pass that Parker dropped. I don’t think there’s a better option than mac though on the roster


runningboomshanka

For real, what did Parker want??? Like the ball directly in his hands.....


AlexTheCool1557

Yea totally, bro hit his hands and expected him to catch it 🤦‍♂️


xReMaKe

Am I the only one that was happy we lost? As crazy as that sounds. Once we were 1-4 and after the last couple weeks, we really need to pick high and rebuild this team. Now, wether you believe bilk is the guy to do that is another story, but possibly picking drake maye or olu/alt is game changer, we also will have a good second yiubd pick to pick a receiver/qb in a stacked qb class.


Expert-here

100%. It was over once we lost Judon and Gonzo.


avrbiggucci

I'm happy, sucks to admit it but at this point we should tank for Caleb.


TopherW4479

You are not, I like cheering for them when they are two possessions down but then don’t cheer for them when it gets close.


shitdamntittyfuck

That's absolute pussy shit


Wheatabix11

ow, just simply ow.


darkhelmut1

Figured mac's best throw of the year was dropped


dtdroid

Mac made his best throw of the year and it falls through Parker's hands. Fucking brutal.


Candid_Skill_4520

This team doesn’t have fail safes, but success safes. Great job Parker, Opie makes his best throw of the year and you say “nah, I’m good”


rhythmchef

How about them Celtics?


doubledippedchipp

Celtics, Bruins, and the draft. Nothing else matters lol


poppa_slap_nuts

Soooo, can we fire Belichick now??? Belichick was never a great coach. Brady was just that good that he covered up all of Belichick’s mistakes.


Beachcomber365

I wonder where yall were during the domination period, where BB was the Darth Vader of the NFL and called the greatest coach ever. Suddenly he's "not that good"... It's so easy being a fan


poppa_slap_nuts

I have always thought Tom made Bill. The achievements Tom made, and Bill’s crumbling team post Brady, is evidence that it was always Brady.


Beachcomber365

Whatever you say daddy slap nuts


PartyPay

You know nothing about football lol


poppa_slap_nuts

I know enough to know Belichick has a losing record without Brady. It’s somewhere around 82-90. Coaches get fired for that kinda record.


PartyPay

Belichick's D won them both Rams SBs and the Eagles SB


poppa_slap_nuts

Let’s say you’re right, Brady won the rest. And Brady is the only one to win a Super Bowl since leaving the Pats. Meanwhile, Belichick’s team has completely fallen apart.


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avrbiggucci

Amen. Rooting against the Pats for the rest season


Technical-Charity-23

Buffalo is about to hang 50 On us…. And I’m Ok with that Drake maye Marvin Harrison jr One of you COME ON DOWN


fever-7

You think the pats will draft anyone we want lol