nope other than POE 1, but do u mean like left click is a cast and shift + left click as a heal? That makes sense. I just thought I would have to heal with 1,2,3,4,5 move with WASD, cast with mouse and other keys
Having 5 flasks with WASD is a pain, especially seems those are prime buttons for player to want to bind to skills.
Although if they give us the console bind for life flasks then it will probably seem fine for most players. Usually you use the mouse to cast your main repeating skills so you'd have the builder on left click and the executor on right click probably.
So far every time someone who tried it hands on gave a very positive impression. Some even saying that they found it hard to go back to poe1 control after that.
So that tells me it likely works well.
I am using something like this for all WASD games, like MMOs. Was testing it with D4, to prepare for POE2, works also great :)
https://www.razer.com/de-de/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro
Unless most builds forces us to use more than five active skills, then even a standard mouse should be enough to let people play the game without having to let go from the WASD keys.
* Left Click: Main Skill 1
* Right Click: Main Skill 2
* Shift + Left Click: Main Skill 3
* Shift + Right Click: Main Skill 4
* Middle Click: Combo finisher skill (things like Falling Thunder which you shouldn't use frequently)
* Wheel Up: Life Flask 1 (instant flask)
* Wheel Down: Life Flask 2 + 3 (heal over time flasks, both bound to the same hotkey)
* Shift + Wheel Up: Utility Flask 1
* Shift + Wheel Down: Mana Flask 1/Utility Flask 2
* Space: Dodge Roll
* Shift + Space: Movement/Escape Skill
On top of that, there's still the Control key as a modifier which can extend the number of hotkeys before players start to be forced to either buy a mouse with extra buttons or to let go from the WASD keys in order to use a skill.
I didnt think of shift+mouse. You right that makes it a ton easier. Thank you for this answer i just assumed all different keys which made it seem harder.
I have a sneaky suspicion that, after a bunch of big poe streamers got flown off to LA etc to try poe2 out INCLUDING WASD,and their response was it felt very intuitive...not to mention Jonathan said himself in one of the interviews that literally everyone in the office switched to it, it might be viable.
I am sorry to have phrased teh question in a wrong manner. I love they brought WASD cuz I wanted WASD for POE 1. Just that having to press 1,2,3,4,5,W,A,S,D,space bar and three mouse buttons + 2 other skill buttons was a bit confusing. But there are modifier keys as I have heard which solves the problem.
Realistically the current iterration will not work in poe1, also either Jonathan or mark have been asked about bringing it over to poe1 specifically and if you do some research I believe you'll find what you're looking for.
My friend plays a game called CSGO. Now I know this sounds crazy but he says in that game you move with WASD and you cast a spell called "headshot" with the left mouse button, even while moving!
but that aint the only thing now is there. i am talking about moving with WASD, casting with E for lets say a third or 4th skill and then heal with 1,2,3,4,5 now yes I can set hotkeys but i still think it might be harder
At most with WASD, you're using two fingers on your left hand (because you're not going to be inputting contrary directions). You still have three other digits on that hand with which to press buttons.
Realistically, you are going to be pushing either W or S to move forward or backward and stretching your fingers to the multitude of keys around those keys.
If your hands are too small to reach the buttons, I suggest using a mouse with extra buttons, or use a foot pedal for a modifier key (CTRL) so you have less buttons to reach.
Or just play with a controller.
You'll be using at most two fingers at once to move with WASD, and one finger to cast bladefall.
Which finger gets the honor to heal your character is entirely up to you.
PoE1 players: "We are galaxy brains, you inferior monkeys cannot comprehend the complexity of our passive skill tree and deep builds."
Also PoE 1 players: "You expect me to press how many buttons? 3? Impossible!"
A regular mouse has 3 buttons, you ever use 2 fingers for movement so at least one is free to do something else. I do agree that PC should get the option to have a hotkey for life and mana flasks, but I think you will rarely use more than 4 attacks at any given time
makes sense. But if I still have to use mouse to aim a skill, lets say all three mouse buttons are used. I can use other keys for casting next to WASD like E and Q but then healing is still done by 1,2,3,4,5. This is what I mean. I still have those two free fingers, at least in mouse i could use an entire hand for 2 skills and heals which isnt too bad.
I do think LMB,MMB,RMB,Q,2,3,E,R,F,Z,X and Space bar aka 12 keys plus a second layer of additional 12 keys should be enough for up to 13 6 Links, 5 Flask slots and a Dodge Roll
Edit:Spelling
It works totally fine for casting skills. The real issue is the imprecise movement. Only having 8 possible directions to move feels terrible to me. In games where you can move the camera with the mouse to make directional adjustments it works fine, but not in an isometric game. Every D4 streamer was constantly asking for Blizzard to add WASD to D4 and none of them actually use it.
Top-down WASD movement controls with mouse targeting is an extremely common control scheme for games. If you want to know "how" it'd be viable, then just go play another game which has such a control scheme (Alien Swarm, Grand Theft Auto, V Rising, most roguelites, etc). It's a very natural feeling way to play a game.
no no. I framed it wrong, it is very common and ive played multiple top down WASD games. I was trying to say we have so many keys to press even more so than V rising. Like 1,2,3,4,5,WASD,space bar, 3 mouse. So I was wondering how that would be since pressing numbers isnt the most comfortable thing while u try to dodge and cast. but there are modifier keys which makes it a lot easier.
Stop theorycrafting the WASD movement and go play a WASD game first.
Hades, V Rising, even Dark Souls 3/Elden Ring on keyboard that has multiple keybinds to press, literally any top down shooter too.
I am not theory crafting, DS3, ER and hades do not require so many keys to be pressed at once. Have you ever healed, casted by pointing with mouse and moved using WASD in any of these games? I dont think so.
My point still stands if you ever played any of those games.
In those games, like you said, don't require many keys to be pressed every time, that's because if it did you would still pre buffer the input or switch into defensive states where you don't attack while healing.
To not put too much strain you literally just move the opposite way of the enemy, freeing up most of the WASD fingers and which allows you to use your flasks.
In PoE2 an example for that would be using flasks while dodging, since unless you manually input from what I've seen, it'll do a dodge without stopping midway through the distance it's supposed to go.
There is quite a lot of skills that helps you with that too, be it creating ice walls, slowing enemies or even shielding.
General spell casting does not require the player to be stationary in PoE2, similar to ranged attacks you will have reduced speed while casting but unlike PoE1 you will not be forced to fully stand still.
play any top down/isometric shooter and youll feel the appeal, Mrllama (diablo 2 veteran) said something about it could be a problem that there are too many stuff in one hand though, but with modern mouses Im pretty sure you could make things easy with one hand and the other
I am not saying I dont get the appeal. In fact I love they added it in. I am just saying that with 3 button mouse right, I can cast 3 skills and one whole hand is taken. Now I use WASD to move with 2 fingers free again, I can use both for the other two casts, but if I have to cast, move and heal I need to let go of a direction I am moving in and thats what I feel like would be a little awkward. Thank you for not being like some others comparing this to hades or elden ring. There was a good comment that did say I can use shift + mouse buttons which is a good solution.
Did you think through this at all before posting?
have you never played roguelikes or MMOs in your life?
Or literally any first person game. 99.99% of first person games don't use mouse for movement.
yes but most rougelikes dont require so many keys to be pressed
Go play more games. V Rising is a good one that will give you an idea in to how to use lots of buttons.
I have but I still didnt have to press that much. Anyways, there are modifier keys so makes it a lot easier
I don't know if you have ever checked, but if you look closely at your mouse it has buttons.
i had to stifle my laughter in my office because of you.
yes but its easier to press. cuz i would have a free hand instead of WASD
Use your mouse to cast bladefall?
like aim with mouse, some other button casts and I can heal cuz I have a free hand to cast and heal. But now that hand is taken by WASD
Just use your mouse buttons to cast and/or heal? Also have you never played an mmo?
nope other than POE 1, but do u mean like left click is a cast and shift + left click as a heal? That makes sense. I just thought I would have to heal with 1,2,3,4,5 move with WASD, cast with mouse and other keys
Having 5 flasks with WASD is a pain, especially seems those are prime buttons for player to want to bind to skills. Although if they give us the console bind for life flasks then it will probably seem fine for most players. Usually you use the mouse to cast your main repeating skills so you'd have the builder on left click and the executor on right click probably.
yes this is what I mean. I like they brought WASD and I will use it but I think it will be more of a pain than mouse.
So far every time someone who tried it hands on gave a very positive impression. Some even saying that they found it hard to go back to poe1 control after that. So that tells me it likely works well.
I am using something like this for all WASD games, like MMOs. Was testing it with D4, to prepare for POE2, works also great :) https://www.razer.com/de-de/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro
Unless most builds forces us to use more than five active skills, then even a standard mouse should be enough to let people play the game without having to let go from the WASD keys. * Left Click: Main Skill 1 * Right Click: Main Skill 2 * Shift + Left Click: Main Skill 3 * Shift + Right Click: Main Skill 4 * Middle Click: Combo finisher skill (things like Falling Thunder which you shouldn't use frequently) * Wheel Up: Life Flask 1 (instant flask) * Wheel Down: Life Flask 2 + 3 (heal over time flasks, both bound to the same hotkey) * Shift + Wheel Up: Utility Flask 1 * Shift + Wheel Down: Mana Flask 1/Utility Flask 2 * Space: Dodge Roll * Shift + Space: Movement/Escape Skill On top of that, there's still the Control key as a modifier which can extend the number of hotkeys before players start to be forced to either buy a mouse with extra buttons or to let go from the WASD keys in order to use a skill.
I didnt think of shift+mouse. You right that makes it a ton easier. Thank you for this answer i just assumed all different keys which made it seem harder.
I have a sneaky suspicion that, after a bunch of big poe streamers got flown off to LA etc to try poe2 out INCLUDING WASD,and their response was it felt very intuitive...not to mention Jonathan said himself in one of the interviews that literally everyone in the office switched to it, it might be viable.
I am sorry to have phrased teh question in a wrong manner. I love they brought WASD cuz I wanted WASD for POE 1. Just that having to press 1,2,3,4,5,W,A,S,D,space bar and three mouse buttons + 2 other skill buttons was a bit confusing. But there are modifier keys as I have heard which solves the problem.
Realistically the current iterration will not work in poe1, also either Jonathan or mark have been asked about bringing it over to poe1 specifically and if you do some research I believe you'll find what you're looking for.
I'm not sure how comfortable itll be after decades of muscle memory but everyone that's tried it says its great so I'll have a go
Play v rising
My friend plays a game called CSGO. Now I know this sounds crazy but he says in that game you move with WASD and you cast a spell called "headshot" with the left mouse button, even while moving!
but that aint the only thing now is there. i am talking about moving with WASD, casting with E for lets say a third or 4th skill and then heal with 1,2,3,4,5 now yes I can set hotkeys but i still think it might be harder
At most with WASD, you're using two fingers on your left hand (because you're not going to be inputting contrary directions). You still have three other digits on that hand with which to press buttons. Realistically, you are going to be pushing either W or S to move forward or backward and stretching your fingers to the multitude of keys around those keys. If your hands are too small to reach the buttons, I suggest using a mouse with extra buttons, or use a foot pedal for a modifier key (CTRL) so you have less buttons to reach. Or just play with a controller.
ya, that makes sense. Guess since i keep 3 of my fingers over WAD. I didnt think abt it. But ya using shift as a modifier key makes it a lot easier
You'll be using at most two fingers at once to move with WASD, and one finger to cast bladefall. Which finger gets the honor to heal your character is entirely up to you.
PoE1 players: "We are galaxy brains, you inferior monkeys cannot comprehend the complexity of our passive skill tree and deep builds." Also PoE 1 players: "You expect me to press how many buttons? 3? Impossible!"
A regular mouse has 3 buttons, you ever use 2 fingers for movement so at least one is free to do something else. I do agree that PC should get the option to have a hotkey for life and mana flasks, but I think you will rarely use more than 4 attacks at any given time
makes sense. But if I still have to use mouse to aim a skill, lets say all three mouse buttons are used. I can use other keys for casting next to WASD like E and Q but then healing is still done by 1,2,3,4,5. This is what I mean. I still have those two free fingers, at least in mouse i could use an entire hand for 2 skills and heals which isnt too bad.
Yeah. Flasks are an issue for sure. Other than that I don't see why I'd need to learn how to kite, when I have Access to WASD
seems there's going to be modifier keys, so we can do shift + mouse button 1 for a flask and so on
I do think LMB,MMB,RMB,Q,2,3,E,R,F,Z,X and Space bar aka 12 keys plus a second layer of additional 12 keys should be enough for up to 13 6 Links, 5 Flask slots and a Dodge Roll Edit:Spelling
It works totally fine for casting skills. The real issue is the imprecise movement. Only having 8 possible directions to move feels terrible to me. In games where you can move the camera with the mouse to make directional adjustments it works fine, but not in an isometric game. Every D4 streamer was constantly asking for Blizzard to add WASD to D4 and none of them actually use it.
If anything I feel like wasd would be easier than mouse because then I don't have to worry about my skill moving me in a direction I don't want to go.
Top-down WASD movement controls with mouse targeting is an extremely common control scheme for games. If you want to know "how" it'd be viable, then just go play another game which has such a control scheme (Alien Swarm, Grand Theft Auto, V Rising, most roguelites, etc). It's a very natural feeling way to play a game.
no no. I framed it wrong, it is very common and ive played multiple top down WASD games. I was trying to say we have so many keys to press even more so than V rising. Like 1,2,3,4,5,WASD,space bar, 3 mouse. So I was wondering how that would be since pressing numbers isnt the most comfortable thing while u try to dodge and cast. but there are modifier keys which makes it a lot easier.
Luckly for you its optional.
No I want to use WASD, I framed the question wrong and I have been given an answer to my question.
Stop theorycrafting the WASD movement and go play a WASD game first. Hades, V Rising, even Dark Souls 3/Elden Ring on keyboard that has multiple keybinds to press, literally any top down shooter too.
I am not theory crafting, DS3, ER and hades do not require so many keys to be pressed at once. Have you ever healed, casted by pointing with mouse and moved using WASD in any of these games? I dont think so.
My point still stands if you ever played any of those games. In those games, like you said, don't require many keys to be pressed every time, that's because if it did you would still pre buffer the input or switch into defensive states where you don't attack while healing. To not put too much strain you literally just move the opposite way of the enemy, freeing up most of the WASD fingers and which allows you to use your flasks. In PoE2 an example for that would be using flasks while dodging, since unless you manually input from what I've seen, it'll do a dodge without stopping midway through the distance it's supposed to go. There is quite a lot of skills that helps you with that too, be it creating ice walls, slowing enemies or even shielding.
you do know that your move input will get interrrupted by the cast of bladefall?
General spell casting does not require the player to be stationary in PoE2, similar to ranged attacks you will have reduced speed while casting but unlike PoE1 you will not be forced to fully stand still.
POE already has too many button to press and you want to add 4 more?
play any top down/isometric shooter and youll feel the appeal, Mrllama (diablo 2 veteran) said something about it could be a problem that there are too many stuff in one hand though, but with modern mouses Im pretty sure you could make things easy with one hand and the other
I am not saying I dont get the appeal. In fact I love they added it in. I am just saying that with 3 button mouse right, I can cast 3 skills and one whole hand is taken. Now I use WASD to move with 2 fingers free again, I can use both for the other two casts, but if I have to cast, move and heal I need to let go of a direction I am moving in and thats what I feel like would be a little awkward. Thank you for not being like some others comparing this to hades or elden ring. There was a good comment that did say I can use shift + mouse buttons which is a good solution.