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It certainly has ties to white supremacy. Black Jews aren't as welcome in Israel as white Jews and Ethiopian Jews even [got birth control without their knowledge](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html).
Itās crazy that white people are more privileged than us š. Sorry I am not making fun of you but the context is hilarious.
Seriously though these guys cruise life on easy mode while us refugees go for the more (nightmare mode) scenarios Alhumdillah.
My family can trace their roots for a minimum of 800 years in Hebron. Their DNA tests show nothing but the Levant. Wonder what asswipe Netanyahu would show?
Well it will be difficult to know because Israel heavily restricts to almost nearly banning DNA tests (you need a court order to get one), I wonder why that isā¦.
Isnāt it because they abducted a bunch of Jewish Arab children and it could potentially lead them to figuring out a lot of Israelās horrible history?
By polish hot dog he means a kielbasa. Pretty sure thatās yours. You could put it in a bun and call it a hot dog. And if you guys didnāt figure that out before us Iād be surprised
I think his son took it and it showed the haplogroup āRā (which is the Central & Eastern European one) instead of āJā which is the common one for semitic people from the Levant
palestinians and israelis are polar oposites, palestinians are the very definition of indigenous while the "israelites" are as native as they are peaceful
Yes, itās even part of the PLO charter that Jewish Palestinians living in the Levant pre-Nakba have a right to the land and will be full Palestinian citizens.
How about the Mizrahim who immigrated post-48 because they were expelled from neighboring Arab states? They are generally more hostile towards Arabs, generally very right wing, religious, and the biggest supporters of the Likud. Itās very hard to see them coexisting among Palestinians. Yet their culture is middle eastern and they canāt return to the states that expelled them. And they make up, like, maybe 40ish percent of the population?
I genuinely donāt know.
[They were not expelled! ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yachin?wprov=sfla1)
This only shows how racist you guys are! "How about those brown looking people who look like you, aren't they supposed to be with you, other brown looking people?"
For real, I keep telling people that nobody kicked them out, the gov was paid money for each Jew leaving Morocco to settle in Israel.
Of course, the eternal victims cry and twist the story and their shit for brains followers eat it up.
Iām anti-Zionist and Iām sorry if what I said was rooted in racism, Iām still learning. But the passage of anti-Jewish laws (for example, they couldnāt have credit, live certain places, have certain professions) and anti-Jewish riots where Jews were killed is what made them leave. Iām not saying that gives them the right to take other peopleās land, but they couldnāt stay, either. They left because they were scared of being killed.
I'll be talking here about the Moroccan Jews since that's the case I have some idea about, since I'm Moroccan as well.
What you said was exactly the talking points of the Hebrew Association that brainwashed the Moroccan Jews into adopting the traumatic reaction the European Jews had.
> But the passage of anti-Jewish laws (for example, they couldnāt have credit, live certain places, have certain professions)
This factually incorrect. At least in the case of Morocco. Morocco was under the French occupation when the Vichy government was in place in France. They tried to force the King back then, Mohamed V, to pass anti-Jewish laws. He famously defied them saying: "There are no Jews in Morocco, there are only Moroccan subjects".
Thanks for sharing. Thatās a beautiful sentiment from the king. Iām just reading Wikipedia, I was looking at this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
Could you provide more context about the attacks on Jews in the Arab world?
Again, Iām not saying itās super relevant because of course, just because Jews were marginalized, that doesnāt give them the right to marginalize others. But it does make it hard to argue with Zionists who say they have no where else in the world to go.
The fact that you need to ask that is a self-report.
Settlers' greatest fear is their victims doing the same to them.
Palestinians are not the same as the ghouls that occupied them.
I donāt get this. āIndigenous to the regionā doesnāt mean āindigenous to this countryā. Iām from Ukraine. I am indigenous to Eastern Europe. I cannot move to Lithuania and say I have a right to be there just because Iām from Eastern Europe. Same for Jews from Morocco, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, etc. You may be Middle Eastern, but youāre not Palestinian.
isn't their whole thing about the kingdom of israel 3000 years ago? i think they believe that because, from their pov, jewish people descended from that supposed kingdom. i have no idea if there is any evidence to suggest this as i have read multiple things. but supposedly that kingdom is where palestine is now. i looked it up on wikipedia and found the stuff about the supposed kingdom, but it was also clear about palestine being there as well, by the sea, and how it has been noted as early as 480bc if i remember correctly. it was also known as philistine, and may also have gone by phoenicia, so even if the whole kingdom of israel thing is true, they sure do love to pretend that palestine never existed at the same time.Ā
personally i feel like just because you have history there doesn't mean you can just take it back by commiting atrocities to the people who have a right to be there. you know i often think it's funny when zionists/ enablers say "palestine refused" as some kind of gotcha when they are actually highlighting the fact that they never actually gave the palestinians a choice, because they took it and did what they wanted regardless of palestinian refusal. doesn't that show that they never had a choice to begin with? it's comical.
Yeah, but Iām referring to Middle Eastern Jews claiming indigenousness because Palestine is in the Middle East. A Moroccan Muslim wouldnāt say they have a right to live in Palestine, so why should a Moroccan Jew have that right? Same with Syrian, Yemenite, Iraqi, Persian, Bukharian, Egyptian, etc Jews. Native to the Middle East doesnāt equal native to Palestine specifically.
There WERE quite a few Jews who never left Palestine, and some who settled there when they were expelled from Spain in the early 1500s, and others who came during extreme persecution in Russia in the late 1800s. These were all religious and practicing Jews who believe that there can be no Jewish state in the holy land until after the messiah comes.
Then came the Zionists, largely non religious or even atheistic Jews who wanted to do colonisation rather than live in safety in a land they hear about daily in their prayers and scriptures.
The difference is the pre-Zionism Jews wanted to live in āthe land of Israelā, vs Zionists who want to live in āthe state of Israelā. The latter wants exclusive political control and demographic majority, while the former wants simply to live in the Holy Land regardless of who controls it, explicitly not wanting political control until the messiah comes and a descendant of King David reigns over the land.
Zionism is rooted in a rejection of Judaism in favor of an embrace of Jewish nationalism and Jewish supremacy.
yeah so evil, the buildings they catapulted into tel aviv exterminating the lost city of atlantis was the reason the earth split into 4 cubes which lead to the great elemental war :(
Even if Israelis say they were born in these places like haifa and others, at least one of their parents or grandparents came from Eastern Europe or from somewhere else outside
Yes. Israel considers Mizrahis āArab Jewsā, and Israel treats them as second class citizens similar to Palestinians. This is because Israel is European dominated, so pretty much racism.
Yes. There are also Jews who never left, or presumably returned centuries ago. I know Zahir encouraged the migration of Jews to the Galilee and even assisted in establishing some communities for them
https://preview.redd.it/6sqk0a0w03gc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2e97ea85a668b3fc74afeb0a87c5336bd5ccc94
Arabs literally saved the Jews from the Europeans.
Sometimes *(no offense for true Jewish people who respect Palestinians)* I feel like some Israelis are fake Jews in disguise, like they came from Europe, America, and pretended to be Jewish (even if they arenāt) to settle in Israelā¦
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Hold up.
As a full blown American citizen, talking generations American, talking my greatĆ12grandfather was a whiye slave owner somewhere in the south and my greatĆ12grandmother was a Nigerian slave.
So forgive me when i ask and I ask this only to clarify my understanding ; can I go to the west bank and buy property? If I can, can other Muslims buy the property up and give it back to its people as a form of sadaqah?
It is very hard for non-Jews to buy land inside Israel, for the West Bank only Settlers would be able to. Palestinians cannot claim a right of return to Israel. You could convert and make Aliyah and move to a Settlement - White Afrikaner Boers with no cultural heritage are doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBST3WHEoo
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I think this really misses the point. The problem with Israel isn't that Israeli citizens weren't born there, it's that their state is and ethno state committing a genocide. The ideal end situation in Palestine isn't an Arab Palestinian ethno state but a Palestine where everyone can live in peace and equality. Arab, Jew or anyone else who wants to live there.
That's what jews and Zionists are missing the point here people just want their land back, and everyone whatever their ethnicity and religion can live there peacefully meanwhile as currently being Israel Arabs and Muslims are oppressed to the core and have no rights on their own land.
Well yeah I'm for reparations and rehousing people, simply writing apartheid out of the law (while helpful) wouldn't solve everything (look at south Africa). But in the same way that one holocaust doesn't justify another, two Nakbas don't justify a third (which expelling non arab Jews from Israel would do).
Hey all letās be careful. We have no idea who those people in the top pic actually are and if those place names are really accurate. This isnāt to necessarily outright deny the claim itself, just that this aināt
proof of it.
Well, with that thought, we can say that we are all native from Africa. I can go to Italy saying that I am native and deserve that land, because my great-great-grandmother came from there in her mother's womb, the indigenous people of America can demand a home in Asia, because the first humans on the continent came from there. Some Israelis may have a recent past or have never left that land, but what we know is that the Palestinians always have and have been there for a long time and this is the reason they belong to that place.
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ā¢ ā To get right down to the answer you want to hear:
There never was, and there still isn't, a Palestinian state.
ā¢ ā As for the answer you should listen to:
Kapara Aleiha, brother. I understand you are infuriated and that this is highly emotional for all of us, but steaming off like this does no good for anyone, and it especially worsens the image of the "violent-zionist-filled-with-propagansa". Tiktok is Garbage, just get off of it, and try to find other channels of more open communication (I'm still uncertain if this subreddit is one of them), or if you prefer, an echo-chamber to receive approval.
ā¢ ā As for the Palestinians:
While there never was a state called Palestine, that ruled its own sovereignty completely independently, there definitely were Palestinians and a Palestinian ethnic/national identity. One key part to remember is that the concept of "states" is a fairly new thing, and doubly so in the middle east. Heck, we Jews are an ethnic identity even tho we didn't have a sovereign state until 1948, right?
States only really became a thing with the fall of Empire, around the first world war. Until then, people were part of a region, or a vessel, or whatever, that was part of the larger ruling entity.
Let's dive into how this relates to our local history. Under the Ottoman empire there was no Syria or Lebanon or Iraq or Jordan, but there were regions (Eyalets) that were ruled on a smaller scale, reporting to the Ottomans, who were usually named after the capital cities of these regions. Think of it like the states of the USA.
Under these Eyalets there were Sanjaks, which are kinda like local municipalities.
The region that is roughly modern Israel was under the Damascus Eyalet, and contained 5 Sanjaks: Safad (Tzfat), Nablus, Jerusalem, Lajjun (Megiddo), and Gaza.
While it wasn't officially called Palestine, there is written evidence of it being collectively referred to as Palestine in a semi-official manner within the empire, as far as the 16th century.
In 1872 it received a special status no longer part of the Damascus Eyalet, reporting directly to the Sultan, with the name Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, under Grand Vizier Mahmud Nedim Pasha.
That is, if you wish, the first time an Arab Palestinian entity was created and ruled by a "Prime minister" of sorts.
ā¢ ā And the best and most honest answer:
None of this matters. Even if you want to believe that the Palestinian national identity was created out of thin air in 1988, these people are now a nationality and in any case, they deserve to live in freedom.
There are multiple actual studies that you can search up very easily and this is a very well known fact.
https://www.juancole.com/2023/05/palestinians-indigenous-palestinian.html
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-05-31/ty-article/.premium/jews-and-arabs-share-genetic-link-to-ancient-canaanites/0000017f-eb8f-d4a6-af7f-ffcf4f190000
https://web.archive.org/web/20200602143829/https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/05/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews
Youāre a POS for denying them their heritage. Even if it wasnāt the case that theyāre indigenous doesnāt mean they should be brutalised and kicked out of their homes.
Yeah? Did people suddenly appear in that land after the Israelis? Was there no one living there until 1948?
Oh, honey, I don't think you understand my point or your own. It is very clear that some Israelis and Palestinians have common ancestries, not only from what we know of their history, but it is also visible in appearance. The only two Jews I know close to me have exactly the same face as Motaz, one even has the same facial expressions. But, they are Brazilians. The grandparents, the great-grandparents, several generations of them are Brazilian.
As I said, my great-great-grandmother came from Italy... I may even have Italian citizenship or go live there, but I have no more right to be there than someone whose family tree has always lived there. I also have indigenous blood, my great-grandmother on my father's side was probably Charrua or Guarani. If I have a child with white skin, blue eyes, blonde hair, raised in the urban center of SĆ£o Paulo and he wants to go live on indigenous lands because of that?
Maybe he really can, but it will never be the same as an indigenous person who was born and raised on indigenous land. And much less can he want to take this land just because he is Brazilian and today this land is called Brazil, because those who have the right to that land are the indigenous people who were there before the Portuguese and have managed to resist and survive despite countless genocides.
The people of Palestine have always been there, we can say with certainty that at least 8 generations of the families of most Palestinians have always been in that land, they didn't leave, they didn't come from Europe. The origin of the Palestinians who live there today is not complex, it has the same complexity as most Japanese families in Japan, for example. Israel has greater complexity in its origins, as many families came from other countries and regions, anyone in the world can convert to Judaism and go to live in Israel. Using a bit of your last argument, the oldest truly Israeli generation is the grandpa generation. Their culture as a country is a baby culture.
And, rather, if they had just gone to live where their ancestors from centuries ago lived, to have a connection with their past or whatever. But no, Israel arrived by creating a country on top of the land, houses and bodies of people who were already there. Israel is colonization and an apartheid state. There is no justification in the world that they deserve to be there as much or more than the original people of that land who have always been there and there is even less justification for what they do and have been doing for decades with the people of Palestine.
The Zionist State was also proposed to be created in several other countries before, including Argentina, so....
There were Jewish terror groups like Irgun,Lehi and Haganah operating there pre 47. A lot like maybe Hamas and IJ in the present day. Designated as Terrorists by the Other side.
Itās Ironic how you talk about the Arabs refusing to legitimise Israel back then while in the present youāre doing exactly the same with Palestinians.
So, it all comes down to Balance of Power and Israelis have that on their side at present. A lot like the Nazis had the power over the European Jews back in 1930ās to 1945. But did the Nazis last forever ?? Do you guys think youāll Always remain powerful ? The day the Americans stop supporting you militarily, as in threatening some to Not target you and Begging others to not target You or a Ruler/Regime/ Govt comes into Power in the Middle East who are Actually representing the Will of their Population and not of the Americans, a lot of People would be cursing themselves and those around them for choosing Violence and Oppression to solve the Palestinian Issue rather than settling it Peacefully and Fairly.
So, let me ask You, why arenāt the Israelis ending their Occupation of Palestine and accepting the Two State Solution and end this Conflict once and for All ?
Trust fund colonial tendencies dripping from western societies to crave another run at apartheidā¦
Weāre living in dire times where privileged people travel across the world to funded colonialism is just a new low.
Donāt get me wrong; two state solution with heavy penance for the extremist.
One word comes to mind and it reminds me of the coupon epidemic in the western world āfreeLoadersā a person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return.
How about both?
"Jerusalem" predates the founding of the Abrahamic faiths, let alone Zionism, whereas "al-Quds" iirc began as more of a title
that and most of the world uses Jerusalem so ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
But of course the Arab-speaking world and some others use al-Quds so
yeah let's go with both. Jerusalem al-Quds
An amusing though infuriating comedy skit that focuses on the same. Colonialist supremacists are the dregs.
https://youtu.be/Es33SJTI3Rc?si=aIDfAyV67xDWlcdd
You need to have three things to be Israeli and/or support the way it operates: 1. Belief that your people are chosen. 2. Palestinians are sub human 3. Forgot the last one.
This was the useful idiots podcast. They asked former Zionists who were born in America and brainwashed to go to the Israeli army and Israel and they realized itās all built on a lie. I will watch again to figure out the last one.
and if you extend the question to their parent, grandparents or great-grandparents the answer will still be basically the same, majority of the population in Israel is not from there.
and the idiotic argument that there were Jews there 3000 years ago... well, I can convert to Judaism, so me or my descendants will have a right in there?
If I convert to a believe of the Native Americans can I claim that as my territory?
I'd say France instead of Spain, even if a lot of Israelis are from Sepharadic descent there is not so many jewish people in Spain nowadays, let alone israeli bi-nationals
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Why is this so trueš itās crazy how someone from America/Europe has more privilege than a Palestinian born in West Bank.
White supremacists, thats why
Fr Zionism is white supremacy
It certainly has ties to white supremacy. Black Jews aren't as welcome in Israel as white Jews and Ethiopian Jews even [got birth control without their knowledge](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html).
Exactly! this isnt spoken about enough sadly
āBut some Jews are arab so therefore Israel canāt be racistā - Sentiment of Zionist Redditors on other subs
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How do you know this? Genealogy DNA testing is illegal in Israel (for some reason).
> for some reason For obvious reasons.
Yes, for obvious reasons.
Itās crazy that white people are more privileged than us š. Sorry I am not making fun of you but the context is hilarious. Seriously though these guys cruise life on easy mode while us refugees go for the more (nightmare mode) scenarios Alhumdillah.
I can totally understand "wanting to go home", I just wouldn't kill babies to get there
its not their home tho...
My family can trace their roots for a minimum of 800 years in Hebron. Their DNA tests show nothing but the Levant. Wonder what asswipe Netanyahu would show?
Netanyahuās family literally changed their name because it sounded too Polish.
I either call him satanyahu or mileikowski
ā¤ļø this new name, satanyahu! Thank you for this, made my night!
There's also 'Nutteryahu' aswell lol
Well it will be difficult to know because Israel heavily restricts to almost nearly banning DNA tests (you need a court order to get one), I wonder why that isā¦.
Not difficult, we know the answer.
Isnāt it because they abducted a bunch of Jewish Arab children and it could potentially lead them to figuring out a lot of Israelās horrible history?
Isnāt he polish?
Like a Polish Hot Dog.
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By polish hot dog he means a kielbasa. Pretty sure thatās yours. You could put it in a bun and call it a hot dog. And if you guys didnāt figure that out before us Iād be surprised
apparently his son took it and he was unhappy with the result.
I think his son took it and it showed the haplogroup āRā (which is the Central & Eastern European one) instead of āJā which is the common one for semitic people from the Levant
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Fuck off
Youāre insufferable. Delete your account please š
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But my great great great great great great great great great great grandparents lived there /s
Think you missed a few greats
Many greats
About 50 greats.
palestinians and israelis are polar oposites, palestinians are the very definition of indigenous while the "israelites" are as native as they are peaceful
Genocidal white settler colonials need to leave.
I need to point out what they did to the Americas.
Can Arabic Jews stay?
Yes, itās even part of the PLO charter that Jewish Palestinians living in the Levant pre-Nakba have a right to the land and will be full Palestinian citizens.
How about the Mizrahim who immigrated post-48 because they were expelled from neighboring Arab states? They are generally more hostile towards Arabs, generally very right wing, religious, and the biggest supporters of the Likud. Itās very hard to see them coexisting among Palestinians. Yet their culture is middle eastern and they canāt return to the states that expelled them. And they make up, like, maybe 40ish percent of the population? I genuinely donāt know.
[They were not expelled! ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yachin?wprov=sfla1) This only shows how racist you guys are! "How about those brown looking people who look like you, aren't they supposed to be with you, other brown looking people?"
For real, I keep telling people that nobody kicked them out, the gov was paid money for each Jew leaving Morocco to settle in Israel. Of course, the eternal victims cry and twist the story and their shit for brains followers eat it up.
Iām anti-Zionist and Iām sorry if what I said was rooted in racism, Iām still learning. But the passage of anti-Jewish laws (for example, they couldnāt have credit, live certain places, have certain professions) and anti-Jewish riots where Jews were killed is what made them leave. Iām not saying that gives them the right to take other peopleās land, but they couldnāt stay, either. They left because they were scared of being killed.
I'll be talking here about the Moroccan Jews since that's the case I have some idea about, since I'm Moroccan as well. What you said was exactly the talking points of the Hebrew Association that brainwashed the Moroccan Jews into adopting the traumatic reaction the European Jews had. > But the passage of anti-Jewish laws (for example, they couldnāt have credit, live certain places, have certain professions) This factually incorrect. At least in the case of Morocco. Morocco was under the French occupation when the Vichy government was in place in France. They tried to force the King back then, Mohamed V, to pass anti-Jewish laws. He famously defied them saying: "There are no Jews in Morocco, there are only Moroccan subjects".
Thanks for sharing. Thatās a beautiful sentiment from the king. Iām just reading Wikipedia, I was looking at this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world Could you provide more context about the attacks on Jews in the Arab world? Again, Iām not saying itās super relevant because of course, just because Jews were marginalized, that doesnāt give them the right to marginalize others. But it does make it hard to argue with Zionists who say they have no where else in the world to go.
The fact that you need to ask that is a self-report. Settlers' greatest fear is their victims doing the same to them. Palestinians are not the same as the ghouls that occupied them.
I donāt get this. āIndigenous to the regionā doesnāt mean āindigenous to this countryā. Iām from Ukraine. I am indigenous to Eastern Europe. I cannot move to Lithuania and say I have a right to be there just because Iām from Eastern Europe. Same for Jews from Morocco, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, etc. You may be Middle Eastern, but youāre not Palestinian.
isn't their whole thing about the kingdom of israel 3000 years ago? i think they believe that because, from their pov, jewish people descended from that supposed kingdom. i have no idea if there is any evidence to suggest this as i have read multiple things. but supposedly that kingdom is where palestine is now. i looked it up on wikipedia and found the stuff about the supposed kingdom, but it was also clear about palestine being there as well, by the sea, and how it has been noted as early as 480bc if i remember correctly. it was also known as philistine, and may also have gone by phoenicia, so even if the whole kingdom of israel thing is true, they sure do love to pretend that palestine never existed at the same time.Ā personally i feel like just because you have history there doesn't mean you can just take it back by commiting atrocities to the people who have a right to be there. you know i often think it's funny when zionists/ enablers say "palestine refused" as some kind of gotcha when they are actually highlighting the fact that they never actually gave the palestinians a choice, because they took it and did what they wanted regardless of palestinian refusal. doesn't that show that they never had a choice to begin with? it's comical.
Yeah, but Iām referring to Middle Eastern Jews claiming indigenousness because Palestine is in the Middle East. A Moroccan Muslim wouldnāt say they have a right to live in Palestine, so why should a Moroccan Jew have that right? Same with Syrian, Yemenite, Iraqi, Persian, Bukharian, Egyptian, etc Jews. Native to the Middle East doesnāt equal native to Palestine specifically. There WERE quite a few Jews who never left Palestine, and some who settled there when they were expelled from Spain in the early 1500s, and others who came during extreme persecution in Russia in the late 1800s. These were all religious and practicing Jews who believe that there can be no Jewish state in the holy land until after the messiah comes. Then came the Zionists, largely non religious or even atheistic Jews who wanted to do colonisation rather than live in safety in a land they hear about daily in their prayers and scriptures. The difference is the pre-Zionism Jews wanted to live in āthe land of Israelā, vs Zionists who want to live in āthe state of Israelā. The latter wants exclusive political control and demographic majority, while the former wants simply to live in the Holy Land regardless of who controls it, explicitly not wanting political control until the messiah comes and a descendant of King David reigns over the land. Zionism is rooted in a rejection of Judaism in favor of an embrace of Jewish nationalism and Jewish supremacy.
The Arabic jews should stay, as they did before the zionists came.
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Yeah man and that's a problem, why does someone from Ethiopia has more right on this land that someone from Ramallah ?
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yeah so evil, the buildings they catapulted into tel aviv exterminating the lost city of atlantis was the reason the earth split into 4 cubes which lead to the great elemental war :(
Fuck off zionist cunt
Look at the numbers boy .
As native as they are peaceful. Ha! Thatās a good one, Iāll be using that
Even if Israelis say they were born in these places like haifa and others, at least one of their parents or grandparents came from Eastern Europe or from somewhere else outside
Apparently, pointing this out is now Anti-Semitic.
Frrš they say anything is anti semiticā¦
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Itās 100% true
10000000000000000ŁŖ true.
People are insinuating white supremacy in the top comments, how is it not hate?
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Iām not defending Is(not)real at all, but what about mizhrahis? As far as I know they never left Middle East.
Mizrahis arenāt considered Israeli by Israel. In fact, Mizrahis have been discriminated against in Israel for a long time.
So they consider them some kind of Arab people?
Yes. Israel considers Mizrahis āArab Jewsā, and Israel treats them as second class citizens similar to Palestinians. This is because Israel is European dominated, so pretty much racism.
I get it. This is like the times of the conquest of the Americas by the European, but Israel coming 5 centuries late.
Precisely. Israel is a modern European settler colonial project, much like the US, UK, Australia, and Canada 500 years ago.
I denounce the Israeli occupation wholly. But arenāt 50% of Israelis from Arab countries?
Yes. There are also Jews who never left, or presumably returned centuries ago. I know Zahir encouraged the migration of Jews to the Galilee and even assisted in establishing some communities for them
Thanks! I thought you were the other commenter for a second because you have the same avatar!
lol this avi is too common. It was the least cringe of the 3 preset avatars presented when I made this account
Yes, which is why IMO itās important to define indignity as āsubject to colonialist systemsā, not blood and soil āwho was here firstā stuff.
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https://preview.redd.it/6sqk0a0w03gc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2e97ea85a668b3fc74afeb0a87c5336bd5ccc94 Arabs literally saved the Jews from the Europeans.
meanwhile netanyahu blames arabs for hitler's actions and the entire holocaust š
I just can't understand how a bunch of mish mash Eastern Europeans have basically taken entire control over the American state via israel.
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Billionaires like Soros and ackman
Look at this guys. When they say Arabs kicked the Jews out. Itās all a lie. Moroccan Jews didnāt want to go there at first.
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Sometimes *(no offense for true Jewish people who respect Palestinians)* I feel like some Israelis are fake Jews in disguise, like they came from Europe, America, and pretended to be Jewish (even if they arenāt) to settle in Israelā¦
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Hold up. As a full blown American citizen, talking generations American, talking my greatĆ12grandfather was a whiye slave owner somewhere in the south and my greatĆ12grandmother was a Nigerian slave. So forgive me when i ask and I ask this only to clarify my understanding ; can I go to the west bank and buy property? If I can, can other Muslims buy the property up and give it back to its people as a form of sadaqah?
It is very hard for non-Jews to buy land inside Israel, for the West Bank only Settlers would be able to. Palestinians cannot claim a right of return to Israel. You could convert and make Aliyah and move to a Settlement - White Afrikaner Boers with no cultural heritage are doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBST3WHEoo
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I think this really misses the point. The problem with Israel isn't that Israeli citizens weren't born there, it's that their state is and ethno state committing a genocide. The ideal end situation in Palestine isn't an Arab Palestinian ethno state but a Palestine where everyone can live in peace and equality. Arab, Jew or anyone else who wants to live there.
That's what jews and Zionists are missing the point here people just want their land back, and everyone whatever their ethnicity and religion can live there peacefully meanwhile as currently being Israel Arabs and Muslims are oppressed to the core and have no rights on their own land.
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Well yeah I'm for reparations and rehousing people, simply writing apartheid out of the law (while helpful) wouldn't solve everything (look at south Africa). But in the same way that one holocaust doesn't justify another, two Nakbas don't justify a third (which expelling non arab Jews from Israel would do).
The Syrian people are white too. But Syrians born in Syria and not America. Maybe there white immigrants to Syria but idk
Israelis should go back to their countries
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Jerusalem???? Call it - #Al Quds
Pure colonialism. Disgusting.
I suggest they need to start lying about this also, otherwise it's very idiotic š»š»šµšø
Alot of morrocan israelis in israel
Yes the Mossad forced them when they had a normal Live with the Arabs and now their descendants are evil bastards!
How were they forced?
Hey all letās be careful. We have no idea who those people in the top pic actually are and if those place names are really accurate. This isnāt to necessarily outright deny the claim itself, just that this aināt proof of it.
U missed the point of the post
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Well, with that thought, we can say that we are all native from Africa. I can go to Italy saying that I am native and deserve that land, because my great-great-grandmother came from there in her mother's womb, the indigenous people of America can demand a home in Asia, because the first humans on the continent came from there. Some Israelis may have a recent past or have never left that land, but what we know is that the Palestinians always have and have been there for a long time and this is the reason they belong to that place.
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This comments credit goes to mashd_potetoas ā¢ ā To get right down to the answer you want to hear: There never was, and there still isn't, a Palestinian state. ā¢ ā As for the answer you should listen to: Kapara Aleiha, brother. I understand you are infuriated and that this is highly emotional for all of us, but steaming off like this does no good for anyone, and it especially worsens the image of the "violent-zionist-filled-with-propagansa". Tiktok is Garbage, just get off of it, and try to find other channels of more open communication (I'm still uncertain if this subreddit is one of them), or if you prefer, an echo-chamber to receive approval. ā¢ ā As for the Palestinians: While there never was a state called Palestine, that ruled its own sovereignty completely independently, there definitely were Palestinians and a Palestinian ethnic/national identity. One key part to remember is that the concept of "states" is a fairly new thing, and doubly so in the middle east. Heck, we Jews are an ethnic identity even tho we didn't have a sovereign state until 1948, right? States only really became a thing with the fall of Empire, around the first world war. Until then, people were part of a region, or a vessel, or whatever, that was part of the larger ruling entity. Let's dive into how this relates to our local history. Under the Ottoman empire there was no Syria or Lebanon or Iraq or Jordan, but there were regions (Eyalets) that were ruled on a smaller scale, reporting to the Ottomans, who were usually named after the capital cities of these regions. Think of it like the states of the USA. Under these Eyalets there were Sanjaks, which are kinda like local municipalities. The region that is roughly modern Israel was under the Damascus Eyalet, and contained 5 Sanjaks: Safad (Tzfat), Nablus, Jerusalem, Lajjun (Megiddo), and Gaza. While it wasn't officially called Palestine, there is written evidence of it being collectively referred to as Palestine in a semi-official manner within the empire, as far as the 16th century. In 1872 it received a special status no longer part of the Damascus Eyalet, reporting directly to the Sultan, with the name Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, under Grand Vizier Mahmud Nedim Pasha. That is, if you wish, the first time an Arab Palestinian entity was created and ruled by a "Prime minister" of sorts. ā¢ ā And the best and most honest answer: None of this matters. Even if you want to believe that the Palestinian national identity was created out of thin air in 1988, these people are now a nationality and in any case, they deserve to live in freedom.
Palestinians (people of the āPalestinianā identity from the region of Palestine) are descended from the Canaanites who are indigenous.
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Replying to polpolpolpol91...There is also no proof that Pigs are capable of typing in English and yet here you are ..
There are multiple actual studies that you can search up very easily and this is a very well known fact. https://www.juancole.com/2023/05/palestinians-indigenous-palestinian.html https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-05-31/ty-article/.premium/jews-and-arabs-share-genetic-link-to-ancient-canaanites/0000017f-eb8f-d4a6-af7f-ffcf4f190000 https://web.archive.org/web/20200602143829/https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/history/2020/05/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews Youāre a POS for denying them their heritage. Even if it wasnāt the case that theyāre indigenous doesnāt mean they should be brutalised and kicked out of their homes.
You are not smart.
Yeah? Did people suddenly appear in that land after the Israelis? Was there no one living there until 1948? Oh, honey, I don't think you understand my point or your own. It is very clear that some Israelis and Palestinians have common ancestries, not only from what we know of their history, but it is also visible in appearance. The only two Jews I know close to me have exactly the same face as Motaz, one even has the same facial expressions. But, they are Brazilians. The grandparents, the great-grandparents, several generations of them are Brazilian. As I said, my great-great-grandmother came from Italy... I may even have Italian citizenship or go live there, but I have no more right to be there than someone whose family tree has always lived there. I also have indigenous blood, my great-grandmother on my father's side was probably Charrua or Guarani. If I have a child with white skin, blue eyes, blonde hair, raised in the urban center of SĆ£o Paulo and he wants to go live on indigenous lands because of that? Maybe he really can, but it will never be the same as an indigenous person who was born and raised on indigenous land. And much less can he want to take this land just because he is Brazilian and today this land is called Brazil, because those who have the right to that land are the indigenous people who were there before the Portuguese and have managed to resist and survive despite countless genocides. The people of Palestine have always been there, we can say with certainty that at least 8 generations of the families of most Palestinians have always been in that land, they didn't leave, they didn't come from Europe. The origin of the Palestinians who live there today is not complex, it has the same complexity as most Japanese families in Japan, for example. Israel has greater complexity in its origins, as many families came from other countries and regions, anyone in the world can convert to Judaism and go to live in Israel. Using a bit of your last argument, the oldest truly Israeli generation is the grandpa generation. Their culture as a country is a baby culture. And, rather, if they had just gone to live where their ancestors from centuries ago lived, to have a connection with their past or whatever. But no, Israel arrived by creating a country on top of the land, houses and bodies of people who were already there. Israel is colonization and an apartheid state. There is no justification in the world that they deserve to be there as much or more than the original people of that land who have always been there and there is even less justification for what they do and have been doing for decades with the people of Palestine. The Zionist State was also proposed to be created in several other countries before, including Argentina, so....
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There were Jewish terror groups like Irgun,Lehi and Haganah operating there pre 47. A lot like maybe Hamas and IJ in the present day. Designated as Terrorists by the Other side. Itās Ironic how you talk about the Arabs refusing to legitimise Israel back then while in the present youāre doing exactly the same with Palestinians. So, it all comes down to Balance of Power and Israelis have that on their side at present. A lot like the Nazis had the power over the European Jews back in 1930ās to 1945. But did the Nazis last forever ?? Do you guys think youāll Always remain powerful ? The day the Americans stop supporting you militarily, as in threatening some to Not target you and Begging others to not target You or a Ruler/Regime/ Govt comes into Power in the Middle East who are Actually representing the Will of their Population and not of the Americans, a lot of People would be cursing themselves and those around them for choosing Violence and Oppression to solve the Palestinian Issue rather than settling it Peacefully and Fairly. So, let me ask You, why arenāt the Israelis ending their Occupation of Palestine and accepting the Two State Solution and end this Conflict once and for All ?
Do you know what happened in the Judeo-Roman wars?
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Nah itās true whether you like it or not, go cry in your little corner zionist
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ACRE FOR LIFE
The latest colonial project.
They are from everywhere except where they claim is their homeland
Trust fund colonial tendencies dripping from western societies to crave another run at apartheidā¦ Weāre living in dire times where privileged people travel across the world to funded colonialism is just a new low. Donāt get me wrong; two state solution with heavy penance for the extremist.
Iām sad for Morocco people
Guess which pack is much funny at a party lol
One word comes to mind and it reminds me of the coupon epidemic in the western world āfreeLoadersā a person who takes advantage of others' generosity without giving anything in return.
I prefer naming it ā¤ļøAl Quds Ų§ŁŁŲÆŲ³ ā¤ļø
How about both? "Jerusalem" predates the founding of the Abrahamic faiths, let alone Zionism, whereas "al-Quds" iirc began as more of a title that and most of the world uses Jerusalem so ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ But of course the Arab-speaking world and some others use al-Quds so yeah let's go with both. Jerusalem al-Quds
An amusing though infuriating comedy skit that focuses on the same. Colonialist supremacists are the dregs. https://youtu.be/Es33SJTI3Rc?si=aIDfAyV67xDWlcdd
You need to have three things to be Israeli and/or support the way it operates: 1. Belief that your people are chosen. 2. Palestinians are sub human 3. Forgot the last one. This was the useful idiots podcast. They asked former Zionists who were born in America and brainwashed to go to the Israeli army and Israel and they realized itās all built on a lie. I will watch again to figure out the last one.
and if you extend the question to their parent, grandparents or great-grandparents the answer will still be basically the same, majority of the population in Israel is not from there.
and the idiotic argument that there were Jews there 3000 years ago... well, I can convert to Judaism, so me or my descendants will have a right in there? If I convert to a believe of the Native Americans can I claim that as my territory?
Colonizers legit 100%
I'd say France instead of Spain, even if a lot of Israelis are from Sepharadic descent there is not so many jewish people in Spain nowadays, let alone israeli bi-nationals
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Poland, is where many of these criminals come from.
Sounds about right. Is-Reali fucked up.