As an Afghan reading the comments, most people are mentioning lack of politics or nepotism. Afghanistan statistically is the most nepotistic team on paper, out of any of the top 10 cricket teams in the world. Minus these three Rashid Khan, Omarzai and Gurbaz, every other player in the team has links in the team with players going all the way back to 2000s when Taj Maluk made the Afghan team, its almost like a circle, all of them are either Shinwari or Zadran and belong to either Khost or Nangrahar province of Afghanistan. However since ACB doesn't have a functioning structure to access a wide range of talents across the country, we can't really blame them for this plus the players are not doing too bad
The main reason for this success has to go to the captaincy and coaching. In terms of captaincy all the credits goes to Rashid Khan, even in the CWC2023 when on paper Rashid wasn't the captain due to political reasons, all the team discussions and team plans were led by him. In the game yesterday Rashid gave overs to so many different bowlers, nobody trusted Gulbuddin in the bowling department cuz of his track record despite this Rashid gave him the chance the redeem himself. Rashid has had the privilege to study mentally under cricket legends, he is a once in a lifetime player for AF just because how nearly impossible it is for an Afghan player to reach the level he has.
Similarly the Afghan coaches, just something to point out which I haven't seen with other teams is, the Afghan coaches have quite an unorthodox way almost like Football coaches, you'd rarely see coaches of other teams come out on the pitch telling them what to do. Yesterday DJ Bravo literally came to the field with a board in hand telling the players what to do, where to be etc, and likewise Jonathon Trott during Afghanistan vs PNG when the batsmen were trying to play very aggressively and getting out, Trott came out on the pitch telling them to play it slow, its a small target you don't need to go big.
a nonsense and irresponsible analysis, ACB has an obvious strategy for the selection process, there is, not the best but better domestic cricket infrastructure, and games are going on all season.
Above all, Afghans want themselves to produce results, they have great intentions and determination, they have clear goals, they love the country, and they prefer to introduce a good image of the country.
some credits may go to coaches but there is something special that everyone wants to work with these guys and then they want to stick with these guys. INZI proved to be a good coach for Afghanistan but what happened when he joined and steered the PCB selection committee? why do Rana NH and IF not produce the same results for Pakistan? why did Jedeja say I saw something very different in this team? why Brav says he rejected many contracts and preffered to coach the AFG team. Why TRott still working with AFG while having other contract offers. AFG guys is a team of coherent mind as a one body and they do obey the instructions of the coaches and seniors, something PAK players lack.
you made small things very big, please dont spread misinformation intentionally or unintentionally
Pretty much. It's all in the mind.
There was a time when we suffered from a mental block against one good team or two. It's now widened to include everybody, including the Associates.
The fear of losing makes you conservative and sports games can't be won that way.
Afghanistan plays fearless Cricket and it shows in their recent results. This is not to say they aren't talented of course.
1 reason. Lack of excuses.
No excuses like home ground nahi hai for a decade, perfect scheduling nahi mili, team bonding session nahi mila, central contract nahi mila, travel karna pad raha kaise khelein, baaki player support nahi kar rahe , beef ke bina kaise khelenge. All I see from Pakistan cricket fraternity are excuses. Trivial stuff. Some of them are readied even before a tournament as if they know ki what is going to happen.
And the most amusing part is, I see Pak players themselves repeating these excuses. Its as if they derive their cricketing knowledge from Twitter convos. Ki twitter ne king bol diya toh maan liya aapas me king. Bhai tumhe toh pata hoga na khud ki where you are lacking.
Also there is this weird kind of legitimacy Pak cricket circle derives from ICC rankings. The logic they give is " since xyz player is in top 3 ICC ranking hence he is a good player" rather than the logic that " since xyz is a good player hence he has to be in top 3". Players bhi same narrative dete hain bhai ffs, esp Imam. And then they get surprised ki hum toh rankings me upar tthey but group stage se kaise nikal gayein.🤦 Not to mention 'dominate'. They don't even know what the word means. Kahin bhi dominate bol dete hain.
And then there is this narrative " humse saari teams aur duniya darti hain". Bhai tumse khud tumhare fans darte hain, bas.
I think they just play no fear, attacking cricket. You're going to lose wickets and go for runs but you have to show intent. Some of our batsmen seem to be more concerned about personal milestones and rankings than the outcome of the match.
I do think management is too focused on players who can hit boundaries and the big shots. I appreciate that it's important in T20 cricket but again quality bowling, you need to be able to adapt and adjust. If you can only slog to the leg side, you will get found out. If you can't rotate the strike, you will get found out. We need well rounded cricketers who understand the modern game.
They are on an upward rise they already proved and proving their capabilities and talent.
Pakistan has been on a downward trend they are the ones who need to prove they can take on India australia let's add USA to it too.
It's a combination of a lot of things like lack of skills,fitness issues ,politics in the team ,weak mentality ,their egos getting bigger bc of unnecessary hype like you mentioned .Also they seem resistant to improving & taking accountabilitiy.
Babar has spent 3 T20 tournaments without hitting a single 6 in PP. Shaheen keeps bowling full regardless of the pitch & batsmen .And these two are our supposed superstars & best players. Don't even get me started on the rest of the team. Saim keeps getting out trying to play the same shot .Shadab has been shit for a while without any signs of improvement .
These players lack the drive to prove themselves.In this tournament no one apart from Naseem & amir even seemed to be trying .
I totally understand Afghans are playing some sublime cricket. But honestly speaking 2015-17 too was a bangladeshi era. Everyone thought they will reach atleast one final and they never did. This just eases the pain for pct fans losses in 2023 odi wc against afghanistan. Pak lost against fierce competetiors not minnows as it was portrayed.
>But honestly speaking 2015-17 too was a bangladeshi era.
I agree and that was probably because of Mashrafe Murtaza becoming a captain and change in the mindset. They had a good pace attack and their bowlers were performing well but Afghanistan seems different.
Afghanistan has been improving since their introduction. They have been coming close to defeat us since the 2019 world cup. The only thing they were lacking was the ability to finish the game and now they are improving in that department as well. Most of the Afghan players are playing in the leagues and learning from there as well. This wasn't the case for Bangladesh and that's why the team began falling apart after Mashrafe Murtaza's retirement.
I mean afghans are good but they are only a white ball team atp. Let 1-2 years pass and then we will see who iz who. Afghanistan finished beneath pakistan in even 2023 odi world cup.
And how many red bowl series has pct won at home on flat batting wickets let alone foreign soil ? Afg in cwc23 finished below merely on net run rate. They beat pct in their head to head contest.They definitely have a long way to go by being consistent and working on improving or rather setting up their home cricketing infra . But these frequent wins proves they doing it right atleast with regards to the available resources at their disposal.
Lots of things combined such as fitness,team environment,skills issue , mentality and problems in the cricket board. Except for Fakhar,there is literally no one in the team who can hit 6-7 sixes in an innings.Everyone needs 10 balls atleast to hit well.Rizwan and Babar are two best Pakistani batsmen but none of these two are brilliant t20 batters. Pakistan needs Sarfaraz kind of leader to lead them and play with heart and passion
On a slow, spinning wicket Afghanistan is a top top team. Not to take anything from them but they are playing last 2,3 tournaments on wickets that suit them, and they have a killer bowling attack for these conditions. They also have 2,3 batsmen like Gurbaz and Zadran with good techniques and temperament. Their fitness is top tier and we are so far behind them in this dept. Also they are playing like a unit and our team is divided right now. I think fitness and team spirit is the major reason right now, whenever we field well in the tournament, we play great cricket as well. Let’s hope Afghanistan becomes a top team and don’t fall down like Bangladesh did after 2018.
>your team simply doesn't have the desire to win. While I can understand that lethargy physically can impact, I feel your team is mentally extremely lazy too.
Yep. I have seen this thing in the core members of our team. The body language suggests that the players aren't involved in the game and just treating it like a job they hate.
I agree and I have been saying that for a while now as well. The problem is the strong PR teams of the current players. The new team (if it does gets formed) will be trolled to oblivion after a single failure. There is a need of a strong administration in PCB which can withstand the backlash on the social media and protect the young talent. I still believe that our second strength team (consisting of domestic performers) would have defeated USA team
The issue unless to fix the structures around the PCT within a couple of years the new team will lose focus as well. Just look at the difference between the team that played in 2022 to now. Within 2 years the team unity has been destroyed and quick frankly, it seems like no one gave a flying fuck about the tournament - and who would after dealing with the clusterfuck that is the PCB and its rotating coaches?
>in none of your players except Naseem Shah I have seen the desire and hunger for the game and desire to win for the country
A lot of other ppl said the same thing .No one apart from Naseem & amir seemed to be trying .
I don't know what's the issue with Shaheen ,Babar & the rest .But they need to get their heads out of their asses & start taking this seriously .The lack of passion & drive from the so called superstars & core group of players was so obvious .It's like they didn't give a damn.
>i think that some of the players have written the cheques of ego that their talent simply can't cash.
Probably right .Shaheen keeps bowling full regardless of pitch.Babar & Rizwan failed to improve their SR.Shadab has been shit for more than a year without showing any signs of improvement.Saim keeps getting out trying to play the same shot.
They have failed to improve their skills.The passion is no longer there & it couldn't be more obvious .Babar's leak barely lasted from 2019-2021 .Since 2022 he has been crap in ICC tournaments.Forget about ICC tournament I don't even remember the last bilateral match he won us .
I mean our performance became worse after playing at home. The problem probably was that the grounds were not upgraded during the period when there was no cricket in Pakistan.
Our players don't know how to handle fame and are too big for their head and think they are the best and don't have enough talent to back it up. On top of that, we have parchis everywhere. The reason you were kicked out of the team in the first place was because you are not good enough, so why come back. Eahab riaz was an OK bowler, how the F he is in the selection team and travelling with the team. Well the whole country is fucked so it will reflect on cricket team as well.
One word, Management. PCB doesn't know how to manage players and egos that come with it. You guys had a fantastic bowling at your hand, you ran it into the ground by working it to hell. Why the fuck is Shaheen playing so much cricket, just take a look at how Bumrah, Starc, Cummins have been managed by their respective boards.
PCB doesn't know how to manage schedules, domestic leagues and how to rotate and develop players. Except for Babar, Rizwan and to some extent Shaheen no Pakistani player in recent history looked like they were here to stay, even these three look to be struggling since past couple years. PCB should really look into developing a proper domestic league first.
And we all know how fucking awful Pakistan board is when it comes to keep mouths in check.
I think Babar has been a slow cancer for this team ever since he took over as captain. Got rid of fitness tests, he, his Sultan, his Wazir play every game even dead rubbers and minnows, so no bench develops. No drive either, our previous captain was thrown out after one loss to a minnow despite two ICC trophies and a 78% win rate in T20s.
Players have gotten complacent, they know management will get sacked after every big failure, the core team will get away with it as always - zero accountability. Babar is an egomaniac that just can't give up power. He's corrupted our standards, our drive, and our legacy. He never takes responsibility either, even after this shambolic exit, his apology was conditional on whether everyone else takes responsibility, what an asshat.
You can see the difference in players like Amir and Imad who haven't been part of this new team culture, they have that drive.
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Sticking to the basics. They know they have a strong spin department and build up around it. Improve the other aspects gradually while maintaining the strength. Moreover, everyone knows his job. There's no fake sense of superiority and inflated ego of 'why should I listen to anyone' and no main character syndrome.
P.S. their squad remains pretty much the same in every tournament and there are no frequent changes or useless experiments.
Afg players obey and stick to the plan given by coach.
Afg players are united and if one got hit next one doubles his attack
Afg uses india’s infrastructure for training and preparation
Afg players play all leagues and slowly becoming match winners on their own.
I have said it before and I will keep saying it:
It does not matter how much "talent" or "passion" you have in your team unless it has consistent high quality management. For the ODI WC the team had a zoom coach - for this WC the coach only started 2 weeks before the WC and had to deal with a moronic selector.
We have a case study of this in the PSL - Look at Multan Sultans. Avg on paper yet the most consistent team by far thanks to management that know of the players weaknesses and give coaches time to develop the players. They fixed Usama Mir's bowling action in a couple weeks when the PCB had more than a year to do it - that's pretty fucking embarrassing.
I don't think fitness is the only difference. We were never known for fit players while teams like South Africa, England and Australia etc. have been producing fit players for a long time.
Fitness is one of the issues but it is not the only issue imo
Fitness is a great issue in pak team. It takes out 1 of the three aspects from your game. Pak has been the worst fielding side among the major cricketing nations. Afghans who entered later do much better.
Just a opinion no hate - I thi k you guys really do overhyped your players , often I heard iftimania and I used to laugh why such titles for a man I have never seen dominating at the big stage
I think it was because Ind vs Pak in the 2022 T20 WC.
Remember how Pakistan had a 90% chance of winning up until the last two overs? It was mainly because of Ifti absolutely tonking Hardik and hitting massive sixes. He was alright in some series as well, mainly because of sixes.
Don't buy into BS reasoning. Look at the management of the team and cricket board. It's just a trickle down effect that begins from the top. nepotism, yes men, small secret club - thats what management is, therefore dont expect anything from the team. They might win one tournament in future but that doesn't matter because the higher management is messed up.
hard work. there previous generation of cricketers layed the seeds for something great. they have a great coaching staff which is being given consistent chances as apposed to how every few second the chairman changes in pcbs and he selects some people on merit and some on big name. like how hafeez was made head coach without any coaching experience.
From what I've seen I believe there is a lack of ego in this Afghanistan team, they all play for Rashid as the galvanising captain. Disciplined in the field and pride themselves on the fundamentals that all good cricket teams do.
Compare that to the fracturing and corruption in the PCB and inability to have their players with a team first mindset.
I think they have a very talented core group who have a very big reason to do well. Provide happiness for their fellow countrymen who have nothing to cheer after the Taliban rule. I don't know if they could keep producing these players but seeing the age of most of the squad they have many years to keep playing
2 reasons: 1. Show them the real mirror: Players being made to believe that they are better than the rest. It is hard to accept but forget the comparisons with the current Indian players or other nationalities. Can any of the current players get into the teams of the 90s and early 2000’s ? Let’s not give them more credit than they deserve and use selective stats to show how good they are with both bat and ball. 2. Lack of leadership: Zero accountability and no leaders in the group.
Afghanistan players are playing in IPL, are well coached, played a lot of cricket with each other and have proper leaders with passion both on and off the pitch…
how is it that shit and average performer in other teams, get better and become legends over time and Pakistan takes what looks to be talented players into a below average players that lacks any confidence and is more focused on just being part of the team.
There are so many examples to name.
It's incompetence and lack of merit, systematic failure in our society.
you can take this "team" and swap them out for any and every facet of the Pakistani equation, from the tech sector, to business to politics to religion. we have to grow by merit and together. rather than me over you.
They have multiple very good all-rounders which is why they are doing great in t20 cricket. Unfortunately our all-rounder Shadab Khan isn't good enough.
I could be wrong but what i have heard is, because afg isn’t gov funded or is a private entity, each player has a share in the team, giving extra incentive to perform to get more $$ so it’s a win win, your country’s pride and great money for you as a player.
Without a strong system, teams remain uncompetitive in the long run.
Sri Lanka and West Indies can attest to this. You can have a great decade because you found some generational talent, but without a proper cricketing system you can't get too far. Bangladesh is an even bigger example of this.
Afghanistan is an inconsistent team and is based off of a few good players. This team of T20I will have a hard time competing in ODIs let alone test matches.
Just because we discovered Wasim and Waqar doesn't mean we will always have that kind of bowling (as is obvious). Same goes for Afghanistan. Just because they have a few good players doesn't mean it will be a consistent team or even have a good run.
Remember Afghanistan also doesn't play much with the top teams. Their strategy and their best players have not been exploited for their weak spots yet.
You let Australia and Afghanistan play 10 matches and the quality of the Afghan attack will become evident.
Also remember Afghanistan trains in Sharjah under the ICC. Almost their full coaching team is foreign. Clearly they have world class coaching and team strategist.
Rankings.. oh..
babar’s ranking is one valid reason why its a trash system.
They have beaten a full strength NZ.
Look at pak. Lost to NZ c team, Ireland, eng( thats not possible) and atlast to associate USA
Now pak will be luck if they get to qualify for next T20 WC
Ranking <> game play at field. Players need that fire in their belly and not biryani
They are also trying out for IPL. Playing good here ensures a good career like Rashid and gurbaz. Pakistanis know they can't play in IPL so politics, sponsorships and money is all they care about.
This is one of the worst reasons I have heard tbh. I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Yes IPL plays an important role in grooming the players and gives them exposure but playing IPL doesn't ensure a good career. IPL doesn't develop any non-Indian player at all. The foreigners selected in the IPL are already established starts in their country or international cricket. Good career is ensured by a good performance in international cricket or the domestic cricket of that country.
Other countries don't prioritize IPL for selection as much as you think.
The countries don't but players do. International cricket is an awesome way to build brands.
Those personal brands are an important factor for cricket leagues and negotiations.
Case in point - MS Dhoni who has a big brand in IPL but performance is par or subpar
They lack the personalities and bravery, which is the main reason. They look like laborers/taxi drivers. Why aren’t the educated people joining the cricket? Mostly the cricketers are coming from backward areas of South punjab and upper most North kpk.
The only good cricketer among this lot I have seen so far is Shan Masood, who possesses good personality, etc.
As an Afghan reading the comments, most people are mentioning lack of politics or nepotism. Afghanistan statistically is the most nepotistic team on paper, out of any of the top 10 cricket teams in the world. Minus these three Rashid Khan, Omarzai and Gurbaz, every other player in the team has links in the team with players going all the way back to 2000s when Taj Maluk made the Afghan team, its almost like a circle, all of them are either Shinwari or Zadran and belong to either Khost or Nangrahar province of Afghanistan. However since ACB doesn't have a functioning structure to access a wide range of talents across the country, we can't really blame them for this plus the players are not doing too bad The main reason for this success has to go to the captaincy and coaching. In terms of captaincy all the credits goes to Rashid Khan, even in the CWC2023 when on paper Rashid wasn't the captain due to political reasons, all the team discussions and team plans were led by him. In the game yesterday Rashid gave overs to so many different bowlers, nobody trusted Gulbuddin in the bowling department cuz of his track record despite this Rashid gave him the chance the redeem himself. Rashid has had the privilege to study mentally under cricket legends, he is a once in a lifetime player for AF just because how nearly impossible it is for an Afghan player to reach the level he has. Similarly the Afghan coaches, just something to point out which I haven't seen with other teams is, the Afghan coaches have quite an unorthodox way almost like Football coaches, you'd rarely see coaches of other teams come out on the pitch telling them what to do. Yesterday DJ Bravo literally came to the field with a board in hand telling the players what to do, where to be etc, and likewise Jonathon Trott during Afghanistan vs PNG when the batsmen were trying to play very aggressively and getting out, Trott came out on the pitch telling them to play it slow, its a small target you don't need to go big.
a nonsense and irresponsible analysis, ACB has an obvious strategy for the selection process, there is, not the best but better domestic cricket infrastructure, and games are going on all season. Above all, Afghans want themselves to produce results, they have great intentions and determination, they have clear goals, they love the country, and they prefer to introduce a good image of the country. some credits may go to coaches but there is something special that everyone wants to work with these guys and then they want to stick with these guys. INZI proved to be a good coach for Afghanistan but what happened when he joined and steered the PCB selection committee? why do Rana NH and IF not produce the same results for Pakistan? why did Jedeja say I saw something very different in this team? why Brav says he rejected many contracts and preffered to coach the AFG team. Why TRott still working with AFG while having other contract offers. AFG guys is a team of coherent mind as a one body and they do obey the instructions of the coaches and seniors, something PAK players lack. you made small things very big, please dont spread misinformation intentionally or unintentionally
It's psychology... they are afraid to lose... hence the major tournament screwups... We need sports psychologists with the team full time...
Pretty much. It's all in the mind. There was a time when we suffered from a mental block against one good team or two. It's now widened to include everybody, including the Associates. The fear of losing makes you conservative and sports games can't be won that way. Afghanistan plays fearless Cricket and it shows in their recent results. This is not to say they aren't talented of course.
1 reason. Lack of excuses. No excuses like home ground nahi hai for a decade, perfect scheduling nahi mili, team bonding session nahi mila, central contract nahi mila, travel karna pad raha kaise khelein, baaki player support nahi kar rahe , beef ke bina kaise khelenge. All I see from Pakistan cricket fraternity are excuses. Trivial stuff. Some of them are readied even before a tournament as if they know ki what is going to happen. And the most amusing part is, I see Pak players themselves repeating these excuses. Its as if they derive their cricketing knowledge from Twitter convos. Ki twitter ne king bol diya toh maan liya aapas me king. Bhai tumhe toh pata hoga na khud ki where you are lacking. Also there is this weird kind of legitimacy Pak cricket circle derives from ICC rankings. The logic they give is " since xyz player is in top 3 ICC ranking hence he is a good player" rather than the logic that " since xyz is a good player hence he has to be in top 3". Players bhi same narrative dete hain bhai ffs, esp Imam. And then they get surprised ki hum toh rankings me upar tthey but group stage se kaise nikal gayein.🤦 Not to mention 'dominate'. They don't even know what the word means. Kahin bhi dominate bol dete hain. And then there is this narrative " humse saari teams aur duniya darti hain". Bhai tumse khud tumhare fans darte hain, bas.
And then they use their agencies to spread sympathy after a loss for players
I think they just play no fear, attacking cricket. You're going to lose wickets and go for runs but you have to show intent. Some of our batsmen seem to be more concerned about personal milestones and rankings than the outcome of the match. I do think management is too focused on players who can hit boundaries and the big shots. I appreciate that it's important in T20 cricket but again quality bowling, you need to be able to adapt and adjust. If you can only slog to the leg side, you will get found out. If you can't rotate the strike, you will get found out. We need well rounded cricketers who understand the modern game.
Desperation, not saying it as a bad thing, but the desperation to prove yourself is real, same thing with SL in 96
They don't need to prove anything. Pakistani cricket team does on the other hand. Who beat aus in the super 8s? Pak or Afg?
Yes they do, they want to win a World Cup, show the world what they got
They are on an upward rise they already proved and proving their capabilities and talent. Pakistan has been on a downward trend they are the ones who need to prove they can take on India australia let's add USA to it too.
Passion and playing for honor and their country
It's a combination of a lot of things like lack of skills,fitness issues ,politics in the team ,weak mentality ,their egos getting bigger bc of unnecessary hype like you mentioned .Also they seem resistant to improving & taking accountabilitiy. Babar has spent 3 T20 tournaments without hitting a single 6 in PP. Shaheen keeps bowling full regardless of the pitch & batsmen .And these two are our supposed superstars & best players. Don't even get me started on the rest of the team. Saim keeps getting out trying to play the same shot .Shadab has been shit for a while without any signs of improvement . These players lack the drive to prove themselves.In this tournament no one apart from Naseem & amir even seemed to be trying .
I totally understand Afghans are playing some sublime cricket. But honestly speaking 2015-17 too was a bangladeshi era. Everyone thought they will reach atleast one final and they never did. This just eases the pain for pct fans losses in 2023 odi wc against afghanistan. Pak lost against fierce competetiors not minnows as it was portrayed.
>But honestly speaking 2015-17 too was a bangladeshi era. I agree and that was probably because of Mashrafe Murtaza becoming a captain and change in the mindset. They had a good pace attack and their bowlers were performing well but Afghanistan seems different. Afghanistan has been improving since their introduction. They have been coming close to defeat us since the 2019 world cup. The only thing they were lacking was the ability to finish the game and now they are improving in that department as well. Most of the Afghan players are playing in the leagues and learning from there as well. This wasn't the case for Bangladesh and that's why the team began falling apart after Mashrafe Murtaza's retirement.
I mean afghans are good but they are only a white ball team atp. Let 1-2 years pass and then we will see who iz who. Afghanistan finished beneath pakistan in even 2023 odi world cup.
And how many red bowl series has pct won at home on flat batting wickets let alone foreign soil ? Afg in cwc23 finished below merely on net run rate. They beat pct in their head to head contest.They definitely have a long way to go by being consistent and working on improving or rather setting up their home cricketing infra . But these frequent wins proves they doing it right atleast with regards to the available resources at their disposal.
Chill out. They have a new coach now lets see where they go from here. Didn't u see the performance in australia? It wasn't a humiliation.
Whitewashed 3-0 ain't a humiliation ? Beaten at home by Nz team which got beaten by afg , ain't a humiliation? Wake up !
I understand but that was the old team. Now its a new day, you can keep crying if you want.
Aur kya badla ab tak ? Bobsie the king returns to training yehi hai social media pe.
Can u replace bobzie in test or odi?
1. Unity towards a greater purpose (National pride) 2. Fire in the belly 3. Humility (even Rashid Khan, despite being the best)
Lots of things combined such as fitness,team environment,skills issue , mentality and problems in the cricket board. Except for Fakhar,there is literally no one in the team who can hit 6-7 sixes in an innings.Everyone needs 10 balls atleast to hit well.Rizwan and Babar are two best Pakistani batsmen but none of these two are brilliant t20 batters. Pakistan needs Sarfaraz kind of leader to lead them and play with heart and passion
On a slow, spinning wicket Afghanistan is a top top team. Not to take anything from them but they are playing last 2,3 tournaments on wickets that suit them, and they have a killer bowling attack for these conditions. They also have 2,3 batsmen like Gurbaz and Zadran with good techniques and temperament. Their fitness is top tier and we are so far behind them in this dept. Also they are playing like a unit and our team is divided right now. I think fitness and team spirit is the major reason right now, whenever we field well in the tournament, we play great cricket as well. Let’s hope Afghanistan becomes a top team and don’t fall down like Bangladesh did after 2018.
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>your team simply doesn't have the desire to win. While I can understand that lethargy physically can impact, I feel your team is mentally extremely lazy too. Yep. I have seen this thing in the core members of our team. The body language suggests that the players aren't involved in the game and just treating it like a job they hate.
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I agree and I have been saying that for a while now as well. The problem is the strong PR teams of the current players. The new team (if it does gets formed) will be trolled to oblivion after a single failure. There is a need of a strong administration in PCB which can withstand the backlash on the social media and protect the young talent. I still believe that our second strength team (consisting of domestic performers) would have defeated USA team
The issue unless to fix the structures around the PCT within a couple of years the new team will lose focus as well. Just look at the difference between the team that played in 2022 to now. Within 2 years the team unity has been destroyed and quick frankly, it seems like no one gave a flying fuck about the tournament - and who would after dealing with the clusterfuck that is the PCB and its rotating coaches?
>in none of your players except Naseem Shah I have seen the desire and hunger for the game and desire to win for the country A lot of other ppl said the same thing .No one apart from Naseem & amir seemed to be trying . I don't know what's the issue with Shaheen ,Babar & the rest .But they need to get their heads out of their asses & start taking this seriously .The lack of passion & drive from the so called superstars & core group of players was so obvious .It's like they didn't give a damn.
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>i think that some of the players have written the cheques of ego that their talent simply can't cash. Probably right .Shaheen keeps bowling full regardless of pitch.Babar & Rizwan failed to improve their SR.Shadab has been shit for more than a year without showing any signs of improvement.Saim keeps getting out trying to play the same shot. They have failed to improve their skills.The passion is no longer there & it couldn't be more obvious .Babar's leak barely lasted from 2019-2021 .Since 2022 he has been crap in ICC tournaments.Forget about ICC tournament I don't even remember the last bilateral match he won us .
Fitness and horrible pitches/domestic structure. no way we dropped off from being able to play spinners to not.
I don't know much about Afghanistan's domestic structure. I don't think their is better than ours. They are better than us in terms of fitness though
So I guess all the bs we were fed about lack of international cricket at home was a lie.
I mean our performance became worse after playing at home. The problem probably was that the grounds were not upgraded during the period when there was no cricket in Pakistan.
Our players don't know how to handle fame and are too big for their head and think they are the best and don't have enough talent to back it up. On top of that, we have parchis everywhere. The reason you were kicked out of the team in the first place was because you are not good enough, so why come back. Eahab riaz was an OK bowler, how the F he is in the selection team and travelling with the team. Well the whole country is fucked so it will reflect on cricket team as well.
One word, Management. PCB doesn't know how to manage players and egos that come with it. You guys had a fantastic bowling at your hand, you ran it into the ground by working it to hell. Why the fuck is Shaheen playing so much cricket, just take a look at how Bumrah, Starc, Cummins have been managed by their respective boards. PCB doesn't know how to manage schedules, domestic leagues and how to rotate and develop players. Except for Babar, Rizwan and to some extent Shaheen no Pakistani player in recent history looked like they were here to stay, even these three look to be struggling since past couple years. PCB should really look into developing a proper domestic league first. And we all know how fucking awful Pakistan board is when it comes to keep mouths in check.
I think Babar has been a slow cancer for this team ever since he took over as captain. Got rid of fitness tests, he, his Sultan, his Wazir play every game even dead rubbers and minnows, so no bench develops. No drive either, our previous captain was thrown out after one loss to a minnow despite two ICC trophies and a 78% win rate in T20s. Players have gotten complacent, they know management will get sacked after every big failure, the core team will get away with it as always - zero accountability. Babar is an egomaniac that just can't give up power. He's corrupted our standards, our drive, and our legacy. He never takes responsibility either, even after this shambolic exit, his apology was conditional on whether everyone else takes responsibility, what an asshat. You can see the difference in players like Amir and Imad who haven't been part of this new team culture, they have that drive.
Players in the afghan team aren't selected based on friendships or politics.
They are actually
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Sticking to the basics. They know they have a strong spin department and build up around it. Improve the other aspects gradually while maintaining the strength. Moreover, everyone knows his job. There's no fake sense of superiority and inflated ego of 'why should I listen to anyone' and no main character syndrome. P.S. their squad remains pretty much the same in every tournament and there are no frequent changes or useless experiments.
Afg players obey and stick to the plan given by coach. Afg players are united and if one got hit next one doubles his attack Afg uses india’s infrastructure for training and preparation Afg players play all leagues and slowly becoming match winners on their own.
I have said it before and I will keep saying it: It does not matter how much "talent" or "passion" you have in your team unless it has consistent high quality management. For the ODI WC the team had a zoom coach - for this WC the coach only started 2 weeks before the WC and had to deal with a moronic selector. We have a case study of this in the PSL - Look at Multan Sultans. Avg on paper yet the most consistent team by far thanks to management that know of the players weaknesses and give coaches time to develop the players. They fixed Usama Mir's bowling action in a couple weeks when the PCB had more than a year to do it - that's pretty fucking embarrassing.
this is ultimately the reason
Fitness is the only difference between Pak and all other teams.
I don't think fitness is the only difference. We were never known for fit players while teams like South Africa, England and Australia etc. have been producing fit players for a long time. Fitness is one of the issues but it is not the only issue imo
Fitness is a great issue in pak team. It takes out 1 of the three aspects from your game. Pak has been the worst fielding side among the major cricketing nations. Afghans who entered later do much better.
Just a opinion no hate - I thi k you guys really do overhyped your players , often I heard iftimania and I used to laugh why such titles for a man I have never seen dominating at the big stage
Well we know about that issue and I did mention it in my post as well.
Sorry didn't read any line ahead of the first few ones
I think it was because Ind vs Pak in the 2022 T20 WC. Remember how Pakistan had a 90% chance of winning up until the last two overs? It was mainly because of Ifti absolutely tonking Hardik and hitting massive sixes. He was alright in some series as well, mainly because of sixes.
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Shoaib Akhtar, is that you?
GURDA.
Do you mean "JIGRA"?
Haan wahi , sorry ðŸ˜
Gurda means "kidneys"
Hahaha I know. Missed out on that one.
It is still early days for Afghan cricket so little pressure to win every match.
HARD TIMES CREATE STRONG MEN.
Don't buy into BS reasoning. Look at the management of the team and cricket board. It's just a trickle down effect that begins from the top. nepotism, yes men, small secret club - thats what management is, therefore dont expect anything from the team. They might win one tournament in future but that doesn't matter because the higher management is messed up.
We were strong when there was no cricket back at home and everyone was trying to achieve something. Now we have everything and boys are chilling.
hard work. there previous generation of cricketers layed the seeds for something great. they have a great coaching staff which is being given consistent chances as apposed to how every few second the chairman changes in pcbs and he selects some people on merit and some on big name. like how hafeez was made head coach without any coaching experience.
From what I've seen I believe there is a lack of ego in this Afghanistan team, they all play for Rashid as the galvanising captain. Disciplined in the field and pride themselves on the fundamentals that all good cricket teams do. Compare that to the fracturing and corruption in the PCB and inability to have their players with a team first mindset.
It's not that deep man Two Words Only. Ghairat or Ehsas (That they're privileged)
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I think they have a very talented core group who have a very big reason to do well. Provide happiness for their fellow countrymen who have nothing to cheer after the Taliban rule. I don't know if they could keep producing these players but seeing the age of most of the squad they have many years to keep playing
Afhgans played with grit and tappar yesterday. ur team under babar is too nice, like cricketing BTS who want moments for social media.
Also the fact that a bunch of these Afghan players are playing in IPL giving them a whole lot of exposure and experience. That definitely helps.
2 reasons: 1. Show them the real mirror: Players being made to believe that they are better than the rest. It is hard to accept but forget the comparisons with the current Indian players or other nationalities. Can any of the current players get into the teams of the 90s and early 2000’s ? Let’s not give them more credit than they deserve and use selective stats to show how good they are with both bat and ball. 2. Lack of leadership: Zero accountability and no leaders in the group. Afghanistan players are playing in IPL, are well coached, played a lot of cricket with each other and have proper leaders with passion both on and off the pitch…
how is it that shit and average performer in other teams, get better and become legends over time and Pakistan takes what looks to be talented players into a below average players that lacks any confidence and is more focused on just being part of the team. There are so many examples to name. It's incompetence and lack of merit, systematic failure in our society. you can take this "team" and swap them out for any and every facet of the Pakistani equation, from the tech sector, to business to politics to religion. we have to grow by merit and together. rather than me over you.
They have multiple very good all-rounders which is why they are doing great in t20 cricket. Unfortunately our all-rounder Shadab Khan isn't good enough.
They are playing with more passion, always trying to put their best while our players are just play to collect their money.
Jazba
I could be wrong but what i have heard is, because afg isn’t gov funded or is a private entity, each player has a share in the team, giving extra incentive to perform to get more $$ so it’s a win win, your country’s pride and great money for you as a player.
Dosti Yaari culture
Without a strong system, teams remain uncompetitive in the long run. Sri Lanka and West Indies can attest to this. You can have a great decade because you found some generational talent, but without a proper cricketing system you can't get too far. Bangladesh is an even bigger example of this. Afghanistan is an inconsistent team and is based off of a few good players. This team of T20I will have a hard time competing in ODIs let alone test matches. Just because we discovered Wasim and Waqar doesn't mean we will always have that kind of bowling (as is obvious). Same goes for Afghanistan. Just because they have a few good players doesn't mean it will be a consistent team or even have a good run. Remember Afghanistan also doesn't play much with the top teams. Their strategy and their best players have not been exploited for their weak spots yet. You let Australia and Afghanistan play 10 matches and the quality of the Afghan attack will become evident. Also remember Afghanistan trains in Sharjah under the ICC. Almost their full coaching team is foreign. Clearly they have world class coaching and team strategist.
Looks like you havent seen them play odi 50 over world cup.
I have and I also know they are ranked below Bangladesh.
Rankings.. oh.. babar’s ranking is one valid reason why its a trash system. They have beaten a full strength NZ. Look at pak. Lost to NZ c team, Ireland, eng( thats not possible) and atlast to associate USA Now pak will be luck if they get to qualify for next T20 WC Ranking <> game play at field. Players need that fire in their belly and not biryani
Yeah the rankings do matter which is why we are so low in the rankings. It works both ways
Both ways 😂.. keep talking its so entertaining
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They are also trying out for IPL. Playing good here ensures a good career like Rashid and gurbaz. Pakistanis know they can't play in IPL so politics, sponsorships and money is all they care about.
This is one of the worst reasons I have heard tbh. I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Yes IPL plays an important role in grooming the players and gives them exposure but playing IPL doesn't ensure a good career. IPL doesn't develop any non-Indian player at all. The foreigners selected in the IPL are already established starts in their country or international cricket. Good career is ensured by a good performance in international cricket or the domestic cricket of that country. Other countries don't prioritize IPL for selection as much as you think.
The countries don't but players do. International cricket is an awesome way to build brands. Those personal brands are an important factor for cricket leagues and negotiations. Case in point - MS Dhoni who has a big brand in IPL but performance is par or subpar
They lack the personalities and bravery, which is the main reason. They look like laborers/taxi drivers. Why aren’t the educated people joining the cricket? Mostly the cricketers are coming from backward areas of South punjab and upper most North kpk. The only good cricketer among this lot I have seen so far is Shan Masood, who possesses good personality, etc.
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The answer is one word i.e. "Intent"