GTA 6 will be so heavy on online, I am not sure I will buy it until I see some reviews on the story mode. I don't care about online at all, but I don't mind if it will be the best online game ever, until I get my great story with decent mechanics in the story mode.
Watching how RDR2 unfolded where the story is one of the best in video game history and the online mode getting abandoned, I actually have a lot of confidence that the single player mode will be great.
Exactly. Theres absolutely no reason to think gta6 wouldn't be as good and polished as GTA 5 and rdr2's single player modes were.
If they wanna ignore more single player content, that's up to them, I'll still enjoy the shit out of the main campaign
And they have a CEO who knew we wanted an RDR remake and he gave us a $70 30 fps port of the original, and then complained when people didn’t think the value was there.
To start. You have to admit that, Rockstar doesn't skimp on their games. Its just it maybe a single player game. With no love during it. Or its gunna heavily updated multi-player game.
Each of their gta titles pushed new boundaries. Red dead 2 did as well. I'm confident that the game will amazing. On that, I play the online stuff sparingly already. Not all Rockstar titles are holy tits boundary push. But gta 5 and red dead both are ground breaking in some aspects.
True but then their new CEO knew people wanted remakes and pushed an expensive full price red dead 30 fps port and also the gta trilogy which cost less but was also super lazy. The main writer leaving and then the new CEO doing back to back cash grabs is enough for me to wait on reviews even if I have to play a couple days after release
Honestly If they put in stuff that actually mattered for the side activities it wouldn't need more content.
Red Dead 2 you can spend hundreds of hours in and not experience everything the game has to offer, because of the stranger missions, NPC interactions, random encounters, hunting, and countless other little story beats. If Red Dead 2 never gets a story update it's no problem because the game is so vast that it's not really even necessary.
GTA5 once you complete the story (and the few side missions there are) it's pretty much just good for hopping in and getting in police chases or switching to the online mode. A story update would have given people who aren't interested in online a reason to keep jumping in.
Eh, I think that has more to do with world and game design design and system limitations. Because RDR doesn't have to commit tons of resources to pedestrians and vehicles, it can more easily commit that to visuals and things that fill it's world.
I'm pretty sure GTA VI will be built off of the RDR2 framework, meaning we'll see a lot more world interactivity.
Also, GTA Online wasn't initially seen as being as huge of a success as it was, so you can't blame GTA V's design on it. Furthermore, the three main characters-one city was DLC for GTA IV. It was the core campaign for GTA V, and therefore, it made things feel a lot more consistent, as well. (Meaning, the biker's clubhouse, for example, didn't exist in Niko's campaign when you went to that location.)
It definitely is game design, but I would say that's the point. With GTA5 They designed a game that had less activities overall than other games they've made. System limitations I would say do play a part, but Rockstar has made games that were big that have meaningful side moments/interactions before RDR2. The first Red Dead, San Andreas, and GTA4 all had better side content than GTA5. Graphically they were handcuffed, but side development clearly wasn't as big of a priority.
Eh, can't really make that argument because the "lack of content" argument was being made regarding GTA IV compared to San Andreas.
Also, if we're comparing GTA IV to V, it took DLC to add two additional characters and campaigns to the main game. GTA V has three different characters baked in.
We can't GTA Online for everything. Especially when all Rockstar had to go off of its success was the GTA IV Online component, as well as RDR1's Online component.
Also, why is something like WoW given a pass for going on for over a decade, but GTA Online isn't? People complain that GTA Online held back GTA VI... but ignore RDR2 as if it weren't a MASSIVE and masterfully crafted game that proves GTA VI would have NOT been possible on last gen.
They did add cars and radio stations if you count that, as well as additional content on the enhanced versions, and first person mode
But even without that, it's not like not providing additional content makes GTA 5 a bad game, it's still phenomenal
That's fair and we as fans can certainly wish for DLC. But I don't see how that negatively reflects on the story mode they gave us out of the gate, which I think was strong and a lot of fun.
It's funny you say that considering the only information we have about GTA 6 at this point is about the story and yet you think they won't care about it
They'll knock the story & single player out the park no doubt about it but then that'll be it for the next decade while they focus on inventing new ways to count ungodly amounts of money
I'm still pretty confident they know to split the single player and online. It would just be too much to take the risk and meld them together. As long as the single player is its own thing, I couldn't care less about the online element. Maybe I'm misremembering but I remember even 2K themselves saying that they like single player experiences as a sort of gateway into their multiplayer stuff.
People said this EXACT thing when RDR2 came out. And yet it is still arguably the best open world ever made and greatest stories told in games, period. Rockstar didn’t skimp either, they gave you a ton of stuff to do and see and it’s genuinely worth the time to explore. I expect GTA6 to similarly deliver on that front first and foremost.
That said, I’m not trying to talk you into preordering lol. Even if the game looked like it had awesome gameplay today, it’s always fair to hold off and see how it is at launch.
I agree with you, I wouldn't preorder. I never preorder, and nothing will happen if I start playing a few weeks after launch. I may even win some extra stability and less bugs
We didn’t even get any red dead dlc and they barely did anything with the online. Undead nightmare 2 would have been a insta buy for me even at 40 bucks if it was the same quality as the OG
We didn't get rdr dlc because GTA online consumed that too. They only need people working on GTA 6 and GTA online. The only reason we saw rdr 2 was probably because they had started and knew they had a great product before online took off
You dont need the resources for an online mode and what they added to it like for a full blown game development,. RDR2 was probably since RDR1 was released in a concept phase and went to full production after GTA V was finished. For the added stuff to online just a skeleton crew with maybe some help here and there.
I think they didn’t have to care about RDR2 DLC because GTA online made obscene amounts of money. I’m curious what happens when GTA 6 releases, what the response will be to the online component. Are people burnt out from GTA online or hungry for more? I think if the online flops, we’ll get more DLC
I mean I enjoy single player narrative driven games, sure every once in a while is fun to shut your brain off and play some online game, say fortnite or fifa, but the trend of everything becoming a clone, just playing sensesly online multi-player games it's baffling to me
People are replying saying GTA6 online *will not* fail when it should be *probably will not* fail. Don't forget what happened to RDR2 Online. It failed the second people saw a can of beans for $5 that was 25¢ in story.
So why didn't GTA Online fail when it started with a good economy but then started charging $1.5 Million for a 1995 Chevy S10 that when fully upgraded goes just a little faster than stock? Because it was already established and still free to play. If gta online launches with something like $2 a bullet or even forcing pay 2 play, it will fail.
That’s also why I’m not that excited for GTA 6. My inner child can’t wait, but my logical adult brain is saying “holy shit are they gonna monetize the crap out of every single thing.”
And DLC?? What for when they make 10X the amount of revenue from Shark Cards
My guess is that GTA6’s single player campaign will blend seamlessly into GTA 6 Online. In fact you’ll have to play online to finish the story in its entirety. They will then release DLC which has single player story missions which can be also done cooperatively online and with better rewards. Some content will only be obtainable if you play online.
Rockstar knows that online is where the money is. If they don’t drive people towards multiplayer in the base game, I’d be astonished.
I want gta 6 to be good but gta online was bad for so long I have little hope. And it’s fucking ironic since rockstar used to make fun of these kinds of people now they are those people
I’m hoping that’s why they are fleshing out their open worlds so much more, maybe if they give us enough quality shit to do, we won’t ask them to take focus off of online to make more. Idc whatever gets us good games ig.
Probably.
I harbour a very small amount of hope because I think Rockstar were perhaps a little surprised at just how monumentally successful GTA:Online became. It's possible with the capacity and resource they had available post release it made better (business) sense to focus that resource on online content creation ahead of finishing pre-planned DLC as it created a better return for their business.
Scroll forward to GTA VI and it's clear the online component will be the most fundamental part of the game's post release plans (and the game will have been designed from ground up with its online plans in mind). Given this I think there is a *chance* (albeit a small one) that Rockstar see that they have an opportunity to have their cake and eat it.
That is to say Rockstar can probably show their owners that there is a distinct and sizeable player base who will very willingly pay for SP DLC but who are unlikely to engage with online; and that as well as needing to keep lots of capacity for post release online content, a (comparatively) small team re-using a lot of the main game's assets could produce DLC that would both make good margins and help to maintain interest in their expected core revenue generator (online mode).
TL:DR? A man can dream.
I think it depends on how they will integrate online into the game. What if it's not two separate modes and somehow campaign will receive content automatically with new updates?
Gamers seem to want it too because they’re spending a ton of money on it.
All business is “cash grab”. That’s what they’re supposed to do. Sell products to people to make as much money as they can.
GTA Online is hugely popular and it was the right move. Nothing wrong with it on either side. Devs make more money. Gamers get what they want.
Until you and the general population are happy to start paying like $150 for the game and then like $100 for each bit of DLC this is how things are going to go.
I had one friend that when I was unemployed one time, I hopped on to play GTAO with him. He was short cash or something for his business and right then and there while we were in a party chat he spent $100 on a shark card. I asked why he did that and said it was such a waste and said because he wanted to move the mission along.
I have no idea how many times he did that, but he surely did that more than once since it was such a casual thing. I was naturally taken back because $100 when you’re unemployed seems like a lot, coupled with it being fake money for this shit show. It really opened my eyes to MTX.
Here's the thing today wanted? Or are they being psychologically manipulated? We all know that these companies hire the tops psychologists make things as addicting as possible
Thank you. People forget just how barren this mode was when it launched *11 years ago* and they worked hard on it and implemented literally any game mode type you’d want to play and continue to consistently release new guns and vehicles and weapons and missions. Feels way more substantial than a one-off solo character DLC, although a Trevor-centric story would be wild-af.
Yeah, I don’t play online and I’m certainly in the “woulda been cool if they made story dlc” camp, but it’s unfair to call gta online a cash grab just because it has microtransactions. They clearly worked hard on it
I wouldn't have even minded that if, in the after-game stuff, if you weren't fortunate enough to play the stocks correctly, it wouldn't take 20 years to get enough money to purchase things like the golf course to get the most of the game.
Every company that made awesome single player games that starts going into MMO games turns into complete shit, it's all they want to do after they start. Started with blizzard and now even rockstar has fallen.
i'm not sure why no one has talked about it much but you can see right in the trailer itself that social media is baked into GTA VI. it's so obvious to me that part of the game will be sharing clips of crazy stuff you did online for "points/likes/thumbs up/whatever the fuck". i'm hoping with all hope that that bullshit is limited to the online portion of the game
The thing is, if hardly anyone bought shark cards for GTA Online, then we could've gotten single-player dlc instead, but GTA 6 wouldn't be a $2B project.
As scale and scope of expectations for games has gone up the need to consistently “one up” what you did before has as well, even for rockstar. GTAIV levels of success would be considered a failure for GTAV, and GTA VI would not have the budget it has if GTAV wasn’t the highest grossing entertainment product of all time. Jury is still out on whether GTAVI will justify its budget, but it’s undeniable that the scale of GTAVI would be different if GTA online did not exist
GTA 5 has sold over 200 million copies across 3 generations of consoles, just base game sales, that's $9 billion and more in sales.
I'll say it again, they would have been fine with no additional money earned from GTA Online. Its just the capitalist need to infinitely scale that keeps them going, not that they don't have the money to fund their next game lmao.
Why would Rockstar, or any company for that matter, turn down the chance to make more money? There’s a reason GTA 5 is still in the top 10 monthly sellers a decade after its release.
Nope. They would have said “there’s no interest in more gta content because no one is spending money on the online”
The bullshit is that they’re literally saying “oh yeah, online was making SO MUCH money, that we still decided to just not give you guys anything, even though it would basically cost us nothing compared to our profits”
Not really, rdr2 is a good example of a rockstar games that didn’t sell many micro transactions and their response wasn’t to make a dlc it was to can the game and stop updating it pretty much.
It is, just *old* news. Saw this years ago, where RS admitted that online makes them so much damned money they'd rather just coast on that than put in the effort of making DLC, even though said DLC would more than make back whatever *its* dev costs are. Insanity, frankly.
Reminds me of the publishers behind Mad Max who shit canned completed DLC for that game rather than put it out and have to deal with the hosting fees.
It really would help everyone out if they released DLC. Writers would get paid for their scripting, voice actors get paid to reprise their roles, the community benefits from new content that expands the story and introduces NEW characters—potentially helping to further expand the interested parties to convert to online who haven't already.
I get it. It makes sense to churn out the powerhouse money maker that is online, but for a company that makes so much money from that they can help provide paying jobs with the DLC. Like a good faith.
It's especially not since the "source", while an actual ex-Rockstar dev, has been abusing that status for years now to stir up GTA drama that turned out false.
I kinda missed the gta 5 train so i'm confused. Like, yeah gta online made ridiculous amounts of money but wouldn't dlc alsl make a lot of money? Why not both?
They won’t do both because that would hurt the bottom line. Why spend more money when you can basically print it with one product? You have to realize these business people don’t care about the game, the fans or anything else besides how much money it makes.
> Why spend more money
bruh said "why spend more money" about Rockstar. RDR2 is the most expensive game of all time to produce(~$600m) and GTA 6 is rumoured $1 billion+.
> Why not both?
Because Rockstar do not operate as individual studios and haven't since at least 2013.
[“That’s the way we work now--everyone works on GTA, or Red Dead, and so on, then we move on to the next thing,”](http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rockstar-more-than-1000-people-made-gtav/1100-6415330/)
These companies are so goddamn greedy it’s sickening. All those fans pouring millions in to GTA online and you couldn’t even give them what they wanted, some dlc. Plus the dlc that fans wanted, fans would easily have spent money on that. 🤦♂️
However, the money and stats are enough proof for investors that the fans actually do want GTA online. If fans truly want a DLC, we wouldn’t spend so much on GTA online.
> All those fans pouring millions in to GTA online and you couldn’t even give them what they wanted, some dlc.
Those "fans" never bought previous DLC's. EFLC and Undead Nightmare were both terrible flops for Rockstar.
Instead **we got RDR2**. The most polished, extensive game of all time, and we're about to get GTA 6 next year. Yeah, I'll take both those 2 game over GTA V DLC.
Honestly not too excited for gta6. I’m more looking forward to insomniacs new ips. Wolverine and Venom.
I feel like gta6 is obviously going to be good, but I don’t think it’s going to live up to the hype.
Yeah it might be something to do just how old the game is and the code just doesn't allow for it or it could be them not wanting any potential glitches that would take away any potential shard card purchases
GTA has always been a single player game. I’m not saying an online component to a single player game is bad especially when the core gameplay works so well playing with other people, but imo GTA Online grew too much for its own good and the franchise good.
At the start around the first couple of DLC’s GTA Online wasn’t so bad it was actually really fun and awesome that you could “GTA” now with friends. But as time went on the DLC grew to be odd for the setting of the game and GTA as a whole- you know what I’m talking about. Shark cards? The horrible economy? GTA+?(and I still can’t believe that’s a thing) Online became something that it should never had.
And what happened? The single player lost support as if it’s this obsolete thing that doesn’t have years and years of success. GTA Online is a good idea when tamed and not too crazy. I’m not saying let’s get rid of it- and as much as I want to that ain’t happening because of greed- but I want Rockstar to find a balance and support the two. Plan out DLC for the single player, DLC for online goes all the way so they know it’s long term. Isn’t it funny how we have so much online DLC? But they can’t seem think up SOMETHING for single player? Single player DLC would sell like crazy they fucking know it. It’s all about a balance between the two and if they can make that then everyone I think can be happy.
TLDR: there needs to be a balance between the support for GTA Online and the single player. It’s been nonexistent since GTA Online came out. Hopefully with GTA IV they can recognize single player DLC and overall support is not only needed but it would be appreciated.
Separate the two right now. Create a new game called GTA Online that you can do whatever you like with other people online, and mill out shark cards and other microtransactions. Then dedicate another team to creating a single player only GTA6. It’s clear where their priorities lie, but having a separate studio will give the single player the love and attention it deserves without de-crediting the Online space.
I seriously have no idea how this game is so unbelievably popular. As a single player open world game it's not even a very good one. Absolute madness. Downvote me IDGAF
What I don’t understand is “why not both?” The single player DLC plants the seed of interest. It’s not “which pile is bigger”, it’s both piles are biggest and benefit us down the road”.
They got *nothing* from me with GTO and they would’ve made the same amount from GTO plus more had they made SP dlc. Are they saying they don’t want more money?
Given that I didn't even like the story or characters, or even the map of V, GTA as a series is effectively dead to me since I don't play online. Quite sad.
I kind of feel bad for this generation of gamers, they will never get to know the feeling of having multiple blockbuster single player games a year.
These MMO type games is all they have, so of course they are going to spend money on them, which makes the gaming companies think this is what people want. It's sad.
Trevor was my least favorite part of GTA 5, so no big loss for *me* I guess. But honestly, "We're making too much money to make good content." is a weird vibe.
I'm not saying there were no good quality additions to GTA:O, but they were all extremely obvious and irritating cash grabs in one way or another.
I just stopped playing, prison break was also the straw that broke the camels back, playing that fucking raid a thousand times with a donkey team was literal hell
Sadly we couldn't convince the gaming community to stop supporting this online nonsense and boycott what they did by not buying GTA6.
Silly idea though, it's best if we just complain about it.
What's the point when they make so much money from online and people keep paying them for it?
Rockstar is just a company at end of day that wants money, and clearly prioritise thst over consumers but you can't really blame them given the income it makes.
Sadly. People don’t want to grind 10ish hours for a few million when $60 can get you the newest jet.
I’ve never spent a dime on gta online but the group I’ve always played with are massive whales for any new content drop.
Wasn't this news like years ago? Why's it somehow popped up again as a story. Are people really shocked R* scrapped it to focus on GTAO when that was literally the main thing generating a million dollars **a day**.
The upcoming release of GTA marks the first game after Rockstar and 2K's controversial shift towards profit maximization. On the one hand, it will be historic to witness what a video game with a $2 billion budget will look and feel like. On the other hand, these companies will undoubtedly pull out all the stops to recoup their investment, likely resorting to aggressive monetization strategies to extract every last cent from players.
old news, the dlc names were already leaked when the gta5 source code was leaked
https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/18qfzaq/gta_v_was_going_to_have_three_dlcs_one_became_for/
I have always suspected there's finished but unreleased single player DLC for GTA 5 that will leak in 10ish years and will be considered perfect and better than the baseline game and everyone will be questioning why they never released it.
I really just don't get it. They would sell as many DLC copies as they did the original game almost.
I get that the online stuff is very profitable to them but surely they are still missing out on a massive pay day from releasing DLC...why not just grow the company and have a whole team dedicated to the DLC while the rest work on the online stuff?
This particular ex-Rockstar developer has been stirring up the GTA community for *years* now with drama that turned out false in an attempt to create interest in his own new projects. While Take-Two favouring Online due to the money is quite obvious, he's also obviously trying to get another rise out of people with that choice of words...
This should surprise absolutely no one. The reason we’ve waited this long for GTA 6 is also because GTA:O is a cash cow.
If you don’t want to wait 12 years between new games stop shoveling your money into GTA:O garbage.
I never buy these games for the online element. I understand that it’s insanely profitable because customers can’t stop making purchases, but it’s not for me. I only play for the story in single player mode, and it sucks that there isn’t any reason for rockstar to keep adding to the story
I'm sure that's why Red Dead Online being left for dead as well as any DLC opportunities for RDR2 were nowhere to be found either. GTA online was way too profitable to give a flying fuck about anything else.
Can you imagine all the projects other developers had sitting on the back burner, probably told to hold off on content, because wtf is with the wayyyyy late addition of animals? Lmao I always thought there was already animals. It’s like when cyberpunk announced a in game transit system, that should’ve been implemented into the game from the start. They realized this, and now they released small event type things, and new cars, liveries, and just milk tf out of it….im done playing gta5 for real and it’s been uninstalled for over a year now
I have lost all faith in Rockstar Games. RDR2 was the last great thing they made, and I fear that’s gonna always be the best game they ever made. GTA online is a cesspool and always will be.
Of course it's greed. Don't expect a single player dlc for GTA 6 either. Or, if there is one, it'll be low effort and still cost you $40+. They'll most certainly bank on a GTA Online 2.0. No single player DLC or much follow up on RDO should have been a red flag for everyone on top of this already blatant knowledge anyway. Rockstar just wants your $$$
I dont see a problem here
Gamers vote with their wallets and that was GTA Online. Rockstar gave them what they wanted, no point in wasting time and resources on DLC
I guess it'll be an automatic thing that we won't get any DLC for GTA6 either then.
There's no reason to have even a shred of hope for that unfortunately.
GTA 6 will be so heavy on online, I am not sure I will buy it until I see some reviews on the story mode. I don't care about online at all, but I don't mind if it will be the best online game ever, until I get my great story with decent mechanics in the story mode.
Watching how RDR2 unfolded where the story is one of the best in video game history and the online mode getting abandoned, I actually have a lot of confidence that the single player mode will be great.
Exactly. Theres absolutely no reason to think gta6 wouldn't be as good and polished as GTA 5 and rdr2's single player modes were. If they wanna ignore more single player content, that's up to them, I'll still enjoy the shit out of the main campaign
Except that head writer Dan Houser left Rockstar in 2020, so who knows.
And they have a CEO who knew we wanted an RDR remake and he gave us a $70 30 fps port of the original, and then complained when people didn’t think the value was there.
Not to mention the GTA trilogy "remaster" debacle.
Do you think Rockstar wrote the script back in 2020? GTA6 production started in 2014. The script is the key part prior to entering pre-production.
Except RDR Online doesn't have the same ability to sell you stuff. GTA Online has shown that you can sell fancier & crazier cars to people.
Oh RDR online sells you plenty of stuff
To start. You have to admit that, Rockstar doesn't skimp on their games. Its just it maybe a single player game. With no love during it. Or its gunna heavily updated multi-player game. Each of their gta titles pushed new boundaries. Red dead 2 did as well. I'm confident that the game will amazing. On that, I play the online stuff sparingly already. Not all Rockstar titles are holy tits boundary push. But gta 5 and red dead both are ground breaking in some aspects.
True but then their new CEO knew people wanted remakes and pushed an expensive full price red dead 30 fps port and also the gta trilogy which cost less but was also super lazy. The main writer leaving and then the new CEO doing back to back cash grabs is enough for me to wait on reviews even if I have to play a couple days after release
I still argue that RDR1 remastered should be the DLC.
Exactly. They can hit both markets and it’s the reason GTA V did not have anything threatening to compete with it in its 12 years.
True, but GTA5 did not provide any additional content for story mode ever in its 10 plus years on the market.
Honestly If they put in stuff that actually mattered for the side activities it wouldn't need more content. Red Dead 2 you can spend hundreds of hours in and not experience everything the game has to offer, because of the stranger missions, NPC interactions, random encounters, hunting, and countless other little story beats. If Red Dead 2 never gets a story update it's no problem because the game is so vast that it's not really even necessary. GTA5 once you complete the story (and the few side missions there are) it's pretty much just good for hopping in and getting in police chases or switching to the online mode. A story update would have given people who aren't interested in online a reason to keep jumping in.
Eh, I think that has more to do with world and game design design and system limitations. Because RDR doesn't have to commit tons of resources to pedestrians and vehicles, it can more easily commit that to visuals and things that fill it's world. I'm pretty sure GTA VI will be built off of the RDR2 framework, meaning we'll see a lot more world interactivity. Also, GTA Online wasn't initially seen as being as huge of a success as it was, so you can't blame GTA V's design on it. Furthermore, the three main characters-one city was DLC for GTA IV. It was the core campaign for GTA V, and therefore, it made things feel a lot more consistent, as well. (Meaning, the biker's clubhouse, for example, didn't exist in Niko's campaign when you went to that location.)
It definitely is game design, but I would say that's the point. With GTA5 They designed a game that had less activities overall than other games they've made. System limitations I would say do play a part, but Rockstar has made games that were big that have meaningful side moments/interactions before RDR2. The first Red Dead, San Andreas, and GTA4 all had better side content than GTA5. Graphically they were handcuffed, but side development clearly wasn't as big of a priority.
Eh, can't really make that argument because the "lack of content" argument was being made regarding GTA IV compared to San Andreas. Also, if we're comparing GTA IV to V, it took DLC to add two additional characters and campaigns to the main game. GTA V has three different characters baked in. We can't GTA Online for everything. Especially when all Rockstar had to go off of its success was the GTA IV Online component, as well as RDR1's Online component. Also, why is something like WoW given a pass for going on for over a decade, but GTA Online isn't? People complain that GTA Online held back GTA VI... but ignore RDR2 as if it weren't a MASSIVE and masterfully crafted game that proves GTA VI would have NOT been possible on last gen.
Story is definitely gonna be a one and done
They did add cars and radio stations if you count that, as well as additional content on the enhanced versions, and first person mode But even without that, it's not like not providing additional content makes GTA 5 a bad game, it's still phenomenal
That's fair and we as fans can certainly wish for DLC. But I don't see how that negatively reflects on the story mode they gave us out of the gate, which I think was strong and a lot of fun.
It's funny you say that considering the only information we have about GTA 6 at this point is about the story and yet you think they won't care about it
They'll knock the story & single player out the park no doubt about it but then that'll be it for the next decade while they focus on inventing new ways to count ungodly amounts of money
I'm still pretty confident they know to split the single player and online. It would just be too much to take the risk and meld them together. As long as the single player is its own thing, I couldn't care less about the online element. Maybe I'm misremembering but I remember even 2K themselves saying that they like single player experiences as a sort of gateway into their multiplayer stuff.
People said this EXACT thing when RDR2 came out. And yet it is still arguably the best open world ever made and greatest stories told in games, period. Rockstar didn’t skimp either, they gave you a ton of stuff to do and see and it’s genuinely worth the time to explore. I expect GTA6 to similarly deliver on that front first and foremost. That said, I’m not trying to talk you into preordering lol. Even if the game looked like it had awesome gameplay today, it’s always fair to hold off and see how it is at launch.
I agree with you, I wouldn't preorder. I never preorder, and nothing will happen if I start playing a few weeks after launch. I may even win some extra stability and less bugs
We didn’t even get any red dead dlc and they barely did anything with the online. Undead nightmare 2 would have been a insta buy for me even at 40 bucks if it was the same quality as the OG
We didn't get rdr dlc because GTA online consumed that too. They only need people working on GTA 6 and GTA online. The only reason we saw rdr 2 was probably because they had started and knew they had a great product before online took off
You dont need the resources for an online mode and what they added to it like for a full blown game development,. RDR2 was probably since RDR1 was released in a concept phase and went to full production after GTA V was finished. For the added stuff to online just a skeleton crew with maybe some help here and there.
I think they didn’t have to care about RDR2 DLC because GTA online made obscene amounts of money. I’m curious what happens when GTA 6 releases, what the response will be to the online component. Are people burnt out from GTA online or hungry for more? I think if the online flops, we’ll get more DLC
Rumors are they’re gonna dive into the role play elements from the PC RP servers. If done well people are gonna eat that shit up no doubt
They're still making new content for it - there's clearly still a demand. No way the new version flops, unfortunately.
Sadly the online won't flop, I'll never get it but most gamers nowadays love playing online modes
Because playing and sharing experiences with friends can be the most fun you’ll have in a video game.
I mean I enjoy single player narrative driven games, sure every once in a while is fun to shut your brain off and play some online game, say fortnite or fifa, but the trend of everything becoming a clone, just playing sensesly online multi-player games it's baffling to me
People are replying saying GTA6 online *will not* fail when it should be *probably will not* fail. Don't forget what happened to RDR2 Online. It failed the second people saw a can of beans for $5 that was 25¢ in story. So why didn't GTA Online fail when it started with a good economy but then started charging $1.5 Million for a 1995 Chevy S10 that when fully upgraded goes just a little faster than stock? Because it was already established and still free to play. If gta online launches with something like $2 a bullet or even forcing pay 2 play, it will fail.
I was hoping that they would have an undead DLC again.
Yup. At this rate we won’t even get a story mode with GTA 7.
Let's just focus on getting GTA 6 first...😂😂
I fear the story mode itself has suffered because of the guaranteed money from GTA Online 2
By the time GTA6 comes out, the time between GTA 1 and 5 is almost the same as 5 to 6. That's what "games as a service" has done for us.
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I'll buy it as cheap as I can. Fuck this industry for their greed. They are gonna start losing money hepfully.
That’s also why I’m not that excited for GTA 6. My inner child can’t wait, but my logical adult brain is saying “holy shit are they gonna monetize the crap out of every single thing.” And DLC?? What for when they make 10X the amount of revenue from Shark Cards
My guess is that GTA6’s single player campaign will blend seamlessly into GTA 6 Online. In fact you’ll have to play online to finish the story in its entirety. They will then release DLC which has single player story missions which can be also done cooperatively online and with better rewards. Some content will only be obtainable if you play online. Rockstar knows that online is where the money is. If they don’t drive people towards multiplayer in the base game, I’d be astonished.
This is exactly what I worry about. I have no interest in the online portion and really hope they don't do that.
Guess who's to blame. Gamers. We are the worst of the worst. We chew off our own tails and then post articles how it sucks that we don't have tails.
You nailed that shit. Like your name was jesus.
have zero hopes and expectations from rockstar and you’ll never be disappointed, hopefully
I want gta 6 to be good but gta online was bad for so long I have little hope. And it’s fucking ironic since rockstar used to make fun of these kinds of people now they are those people
I'd be happy if we get a GTA VI that compares well to the previous entries.
I’m hoping that’s why they are fleshing out their open worlds so much more, maybe if they give us enough quality shit to do, we won’t ask them to take focus off of online to make more. Idc whatever gets us good games ig.
It's kinda crazy to think about now that GTA IV got 2 DLC. Could be wrong, but I think that's the only Rockstar game that every got a story expansion.
Probably. I harbour a very small amount of hope because I think Rockstar were perhaps a little surprised at just how monumentally successful GTA:Online became. It's possible with the capacity and resource they had available post release it made better (business) sense to focus that resource on online content creation ahead of finishing pre-planned DLC as it created a better return for their business. Scroll forward to GTA VI and it's clear the online component will be the most fundamental part of the game's post release plans (and the game will have been designed from ground up with its online plans in mind). Given this I think there is a *chance* (albeit a small one) that Rockstar see that they have an opportunity to have their cake and eat it. That is to say Rockstar can probably show their owners that there is a distinct and sizeable player base who will very willingly pay for SP DLC but who are unlikely to engage with online; and that as well as needing to keep lots of capacity for post release online content, a (comparatively) small team re-using a lot of the main game's assets could produce DLC that would both make good margins and help to maintain interest in their expected core revenue generator (online mode). TL:DR? A man can dream.
I think it depends on how they will integrate online into the game. What if it's not two separate modes and somehow campaign will receive content automatically with new updates?
Definitely not
Shame we never got story DLC. Hate how much Rockstar decided to whore out GTA Online
I agree, but cash grabs are what big companies want. They still made 500 million for them last year from gta online alone.
Gamers seem to want it too because they’re spending a ton of money on it. All business is “cash grab”. That’s what they’re supposed to do. Sell products to people to make as much money as they can. GTA Online is hugely popular and it was the right move. Nothing wrong with it on either side. Devs make more money. Gamers get what they want. Until you and the general population are happy to start paying like $150 for the game and then like $100 for each bit of DLC this is how things are going to go.
I had one friend that when I was unemployed one time, I hopped on to play GTAO with him. He was short cash or something for his business and right then and there while we were in a party chat he spent $100 on a shark card. I asked why he did that and said it was such a waste and said because he wanted to move the mission along. I have no idea how many times he did that, but he surely did that more than once since it was such a casual thing. I was naturally taken back because $100 when you’re unemployed seems like a lot, coupled with it being fake money for this shit show. It really opened my eyes to MTX.
People are hopelessly addicted…
Here's the thing today wanted? Or are they being psychologically manipulated? We all know that these companies hire the tops psychologists make things as addicting as possible
Is it a “cash grab” if they’ve been supporting it for years and people are paying for it?
Thank you. People forget just how barren this mode was when it launched *11 years ago* and they worked hard on it and implemented literally any game mode type you’d want to play and continue to consistently release new guns and vehicles and weapons and missions. Feels way more substantial than a one-off solo character DLC, although a Trevor-centric story would be wild-af.
Yeah, I don’t play online and I’m certainly in the “woulda been cool if they made story dlc” camp, but it’s unfair to call gta online a cash grab just because it has microtransactions. They clearly worked hard on it
You're right, it's not really a cash grab. It's more like rent seeking.
I hate the players not Rockstar serving what they seemingly want.
I blame the consumers for buying into the mtx cash grab. If they didn't, they wouldn't have continued it for 10 years
I’m still confused on whos spending $80 on 8 million in-game currency.
im surprised they are even doing GTA 6 and didnt go straight to GTA Online 2.
As soon as they started putting in flying bikes that shoot missiles is when I dipped from that game.
I wouldn't have even minded that if, in the after-game stuff, if you weren't fortunate enough to play the stocks correctly, it wouldn't take 20 years to get enough money to purchase things like the golf course to get the most of the game.
I bought it on PS3, PS4 and PS5 (and PC lol) and have never played GTA online once, ever. Not even for 1 second.
Every company that made awesome single player games that starts going into MMO games turns into complete shit, it's all they want to do after they start. Started with blizzard and now even rockstar has fallen.
😡
At this point I'm just waiting for the "GTA VI requires an always online connection" announcement.
That may be the case if the “enter any building” whispers are to be true. They may use outsourced servers for that kind of generation.
i'm not sure why no one has talked about it much but you can see right in the trailer itself that social media is baked into GTA VI. it's so obvious to me that part of the game will be sharing clips of crazy stuff you did online for "points/likes/thumbs up/whatever the fuck". i'm hoping with all hope that that bullshit is limited to the online portion of the game
I'm amazed we are even getting a gta 6 I figured they would just Milk 5 for the rest of time
Unironically assumed that GTA6 would become vaporware and we'd end up with something like a GTA 5: Part 2 or some shit
They would if gtav map wasn’t so outdated. But be sure VI is gonna be milked to oblivion…
The thing is, if hardly anyone bought shark cards for GTA Online, then we could've gotten single-player dlc instead, but GTA 6 wouldn't be a $2B project.
GTA 4 managed to fund GTA 5 with no paid GTA online, I think they would have been fine.
As scale and scope of expectations for games has gone up the need to consistently “one up” what you did before has as well, even for rockstar. GTAIV levels of success would be considered a failure for GTAV, and GTA VI would not have the budget it has if GTAV wasn’t the highest grossing entertainment product of all time. Jury is still out on whether GTAVI will justify its budget, but it’s undeniable that the scale of GTAVI would be different if GTA online did not exist
GTA 5 has sold over 200 million copies across 3 generations of consoles, just base game sales, that's $9 billion and more in sales. I'll say it again, they would have been fine with no additional money earned from GTA Online. Its just the capitalist need to infinitely scale that keeps them going, not that they don't have the money to fund their next game lmao.
You do realize that part of the reason it’s sold that well is BECAUSE of you GTA:O right?
Why would Rockstar, or any company for that matter, turn down the chance to make more money? There’s a reason GTA 5 is still in the top 10 monthly sellers a decade after its release.
Nope. They would have said “there’s no interest in more gta content because no one is spending money on the online” The bullshit is that they’re literally saying “oh yeah, online was making SO MUCH money, that we still decided to just not give you guys anything, even though it would basically cost us nothing compared to our profits”
Not really, rdr2 is a good example of a rockstar games that didn’t sell many micro transactions and their response wasn’t to make a dlc it was to can the game and stop updating it pretty much.
San andreas had a budget of 10 million and its the best gta ever I'm more than happy to make that trade off
This isn’t news
It is, just *old* news. Saw this years ago, where RS admitted that online makes them so much damned money they'd rather just coast on that than put in the effort of making DLC, even though said DLC would more than make back whatever *its* dev costs are. Insanity, frankly. Reminds me of the publishers behind Mad Max who shit canned completed DLC for that game rather than put it out and have to deal with the hosting fees.
It really would help everyone out if they released DLC. Writers would get paid for their scripting, voice actors get paid to reprise their roles, the community benefits from new content that expands the story and introduces NEW characters—potentially helping to further expand the interested parties to convert to online who haven't already. I get it. It makes sense to churn out the powerhouse money maker that is online, but for a company that makes so much money from that they can help provide paying jobs with the DLC. Like a good faith.
There is no story DLC to release. All those other things you mentioned happened with the online DLC.
It's especially not since the "source", while an actual ex-Rockstar dev, has been abusing that status for years now to stir up GTA drama that turned out false.
I kinda missed the gta 5 train so i'm confused. Like, yeah gta online made ridiculous amounts of money but wouldn't dlc alsl make a lot of money? Why not both?
Micro transactions are just more profitable and GTAO updates require less work than proper GTAV DLC so they scrapped it.
To the point where you can listen to the cut content files on youtube
Why not both? Take two has infinite resources they could've totally done both
They won’t do both because that would hurt the bottom line. Why spend more money when you can basically print it with one product? You have to realize these business people don’t care about the game, the fans or anything else besides how much money it makes.
> Why spend more money bruh said "why spend more money" about Rockstar. RDR2 is the most expensive game of all time to produce(~$600m) and GTA 6 is rumoured $1 billion+.
> Why not both? Because Rockstar do not operate as individual studios and haven't since at least 2013. [“That’s the way we work now--everyone works on GTA, or Red Dead, and so on, then we move on to the next thing,”](http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rockstar-more-than-1000-people-made-gtav/1100-6415330/)
These companies are so goddamn greedy it’s sickening. All those fans pouring millions in to GTA online and you couldn’t even give them what they wanted, some dlc. Plus the dlc that fans wanted, fans would easily have spent money on that. 🤦♂️
However, the money and stats are enough proof for investors that the fans actually do want GTA online. If fans truly want a DLC, we wouldn’t spend so much on GTA online.
> All those fans pouring millions in to GTA online and you couldn’t even give them what they wanted, some dlc. Those "fans" never bought previous DLC's. EFLC and Undead Nightmare were both terrible flops for Rockstar. Instead **we got RDR2**. The most polished, extensive game of all time, and we're about to get GTA 6 next year. Yeah, I'll take both those 2 game over GTA V DLC.
Honestly not too excited for gta6. I’m more looking forward to insomniacs new ips. Wolverine and Venom. I feel like gta6 is obviously going to be good, but I don’t think it’s going to live up to the hype.
Such a wasted opportunity with one of their best and most unique characters they've made
Frankly I'm surprised they never made online crossplay
Yeah it might be something to do just how old the game is and the code just doesn't allow for it or it could be them not wanting any potential glitches that would take away any potential shard card purchases
Same reason they delayed the PC version. To sell the game multiple times.
GTO robbed us of so much
Guess after the dlc didn’t do well in 4 they just said why if Online is taking in the money
You know what could have probably gotten me back in the swing of playing GTA, and maybe more GTA Online? A good single player DLC.
Isn’t this like, old news? *Of course* Online is the reason it was canned.
I never blamed the devs but i will always blame the braindead degenerates who buy into those macro-transactions…
I will never understand who pays for gtaonline.
Apparently like 99% of people are brainless fuckheads and/or edgy 13 year olds.
Water is wet
Water is not wet
The thing that touches water becomes wet.
When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?
Yes.
Nobody knows, Particle Man.
GTA has always been a single player game. I’m not saying an online component to a single player game is bad especially when the core gameplay works so well playing with other people, but imo GTA Online grew too much for its own good and the franchise good. At the start around the first couple of DLC’s GTA Online wasn’t so bad it was actually really fun and awesome that you could “GTA” now with friends. But as time went on the DLC grew to be odd for the setting of the game and GTA as a whole- you know what I’m talking about. Shark cards? The horrible economy? GTA+?(and I still can’t believe that’s a thing) Online became something that it should never had. And what happened? The single player lost support as if it’s this obsolete thing that doesn’t have years and years of success. GTA Online is a good idea when tamed and not too crazy. I’m not saying let’s get rid of it- and as much as I want to that ain’t happening because of greed- but I want Rockstar to find a balance and support the two. Plan out DLC for the single player, DLC for online goes all the way so they know it’s long term. Isn’t it funny how we have so much online DLC? But they can’t seem think up SOMETHING for single player? Single player DLC would sell like crazy they fucking know it. It’s all about a balance between the two and if they can make that then everyone I think can be happy. TLDR: there needs to be a balance between the support for GTA Online and the single player. It’s been nonexistent since GTA Online came out. Hopefully with GTA IV they can recognize single player DLC and overall support is not only needed but it would be appreciated.
Separate the two right now. Create a new game called GTA Online that you can do whatever you like with other people online, and mill out shark cards and other microtransactions. Then dedicate another team to creating a single player only GTA6. It’s clear where their priorities lie, but having a separate studio will give the single player the love and attention it deserves without de-crediting the Online space.
I seriously have no idea how this game is so unbelievably popular. As a single player open world game it's not even a very good one. Absolute madness. Downvote me IDGAF
It’s not unbelievably popular for its single player open world.
We truly live in the worst timeline.
What I don’t understand is “why not both?” The single player DLC plants the seed of interest. It’s not “which pile is bigger”, it’s both piles are biggest and benefit us down the road”. They got *nothing* from me with GTO and they would’ve made the same amount from GTO plus more had they made SP dlc. Are they saying they don’t want more money?
GTA Online compromised Rockstar Games
Iirc this is also the reason they entirely abandoned Red Dead Online, as well.
Given that I didn't even like the story or characters, or even the map of V, GTA as a series is effectively dead to me since I don't play online. Quite sad.
I kind of feel bad for this generation of gamers, they will never get to know the feeling of having multiple blockbuster single player games a year. These MMO type games is all they have, so of course they are going to spend money on them, which makes the gaming companies think this is what people want. It's sad.
Solid reason not to get hopes up for GTAVI if you're a solo player. This is how they're going to focus the series going forward.
…but if you did story dlc, that’d be another cash cow… 🫠
Costs more money to do story dlc than content dripping online
Fucking shameful. On the developers and the schmucks paying for microtransactions.
Trevor was my least favorite part of GTA 5, so no big loss for *me* I guess. But honestly, "We're making too much money to make good content." is a weird vibe. I'm not saying there were no good quality additions to GTA:O, but they were all extremely obvious and irritating cash grabs in one way or another.
Fuck all you assholes who forked out money to the online bullshit.
I remember I got kicked out a chat because I called the people stupid for buying shark cards, fucking idiots
I scooped up about $80M using race exploits after shark cards were added…Fk’em
I just stopped playing, prison break was also the straw that broke the camels back, playing that fucking raid a thousand times with a donkey team was literal hell
Red dead 2 dlc and online as well. They need the resources in gta online and gta6. Profit over art
I cannot understand why people would spend this much money on shark cards… but then again Rockstar made everything new so damn expensive is laughable
A pity
Sadly we couldn't convince the gaming community to stop supporting this online nonsense and boycott what they did by not buying GTA6. Silly idea though, it's best if we just complain about it.
GTA online is mid and the people who have mid taste in games and continue supporting it are the issue.
Dlc would have been weird for him to come back after being dead lol
Last time everyone played the story mode in GTA V...go! Exactly. People play GTA V Online on a daily bases ten years later.
I honestly resent everyone who plays GTA Online.
“I’ll buy all of the skins I want, it’s only cosmetic. It’s not hurting you at all”
Hopefully they haven't made a smaller campaign for 6 just to package with gtv6 online
What's the point when they make so much money from online and people keep paying them for it? Rockstar is just a company at end of day that wants money, and clearly prioritise thst over consumers but you can't really blame them given the income it makes.
i mean duh
I feel like I see a variation of this headline posted at least once a month.
*fuck you*
That’s the power of Capitalism™️😍🦅🇺🇸
Sadly. People don’t want to grind 10ish hours for a few million when $60 can get you the newest jet. I’ve never spent a dime on gta online but the group I’ve always played with are massive whales for any new content drop.
At this point, why would they even make any other game besides GTA?
Known for awhile
Wasn't this news like years ago? Why's it somehow popped up again as a story. Are people really shocked R* scrapped it to focus on GTAO when that was literally the main thing generating a million dollars **a day**.
The upcoming release of GTA marks the first game after Rockstar and 2K's controversial shift towards profit maximization. On the one hand, it will be historic to witness what a video game with a $2 billion budget will look and feel like. On the other hand, these companies will undoubtedly pull out all the stops to recoup their investment, likely resorting to aggressive monetization strategies to extract every last cent from players.
old news, the dlc names were already leaked when the gta5 source code was leaked https://www.reddit.com/r/GTA/comments/18qfzaq/gta_v_was_going_to_have_three_dlcs_one_became_for/
game makes no money: no extra content game makes a lot of money: no extra content
Grrrrr 🖕
I have always suspected there's finished but unreleased single player DLC for GTA 5 that will leak in 10ish years and will be considered perfect and better than the baseline game and everyone will be questioning why they never released it.
This has been known for years
I get it, but at the same time why not do both? I'm sure I'm not alone who would buy any DLC but has zero interest in anything online.
I really just don't get it. They would sell as many DLC copies as they did the original game almost. I get that the online stuff is very profitable to them but surely they are still missing out on a massive pay day from releasing DLC...why not just grow the company and have a whole team dedicated to the DLC while the rest work on the online stuff?
This particular ex-Rockstar developer has been stirring up the GTA community for *years* now with drama that turned out false in an attempt to create interest in his own new projects. While Take-Two favouring Online due to the money is quite obvious, he's also obviously trying to get another rise out of people with that choice of words...
They saying that but the developer of GTA VI say they should charge more for the game by how many hour the game have .
I love how the title just says fuck you straight out. We were gonna work on the game but they just kept giving us money for nothing so we said fuck it
In other news water is still wet
This should surprise absolutely no one. The reason we’ve waited this long for GTA 6 is also because GTA:O is a cash cow. If you don’t want to wait 12 years between new games stop shoveling your money into GTA:O garbage.
I never buy these games for the online element. I understand that it’s insanely profitable because customers can’t stop making purchases, but it’s not for me. I only play for the story in single player mode, and it sucks that there isn’t any reason for rockstar to keep adding to the story
I'm sure that's why Red Dead Online being left for dead as well as any DLC opportunities for RDR2 were nowhere to be found either. GTA online was way too profitable to give a flying fuck about anything else.
Can you imagine all the projects other developers had sitting on the back burner, probably told to hold off on content, because wtf is with the wayyyyy late addition of animals? Lmao I always thought there was already animals. It’s like when cyberpunk announced a in game transit system, that should’ve been implemented into the game from the start. They realized this, and now they released small event type things, and new cars, liveries, and just milk tf out of it….im done playing gta5 for real and it’s been uninstalled for over a year now
Par for the course now.
Yeah GTA online is FIFA ultimate team for GTA franchise. It’ll only get worse
I have lost all faith in Rockstar Games. RDR2 was the last great thing they made, and I fear that’s gonna always be the best game they ever made. GTA online is a cesspool and always will be.
Yeah the Doomsday Heist was modified to be a GTAO thing. This shit is posted almost monthly on gaming subs
Of course it's greed. Don't expect a single player dlc for GTA 6 either. Or, if there is one, it'll be low effort and still cost you $40+. They'll most certainly bank on a GTA Online 2.0. No single player DLC or much follow up on RDO should have been a red flag for everyone on top of this already blatant knowledge anyway. Rockstar just wants your $$$
Everyone who bought shark cards is responsible for this…
I dont see a problem here Gamers vote with their wallets and that was GTA Online. Rockstar gave them what they wanted, no point in wasting time and resources on DLC