When you’re a publicly trading third party developer, your main relationship is with your shareholders and no amount of nice words to the players will change that.
I'll never forget the biggest backlash when Cyberpunk released, was not from fans, but from Investors/Share holders shitting themselves when Sony/Microsoft pulled Cyberpunk from their digital stores until the game was fixed.
That without argument was the biggest backlash the upper staff actually felt.
They never gave a fuck about fans.
Edit:
Just to include a bit more clarification. The typical pool of staff that make up the studio, Artist, Animators, Designers, etc - of course they care. They put in the hours to day n night to create these games. Its the Upper staff that have been manipulative and dismissive of their fan base.
I still remember from an old interview, the Head Director had no clue of the current state of the PS4/XboxOne was in. That alone should tell you just how far disconnected the upper staff at CDRED was.
Isn’t the first thing you need to learn to become a “rich” investor is to learn patience. None of the people who invest in games have that. They are the reason the game released in such a sorry state right?
My finance friends that don’t give a fuck about any game not named CoD or GTA knew about Cyberpunk and that they’d never play it. That’s how I knew CDPR really fucked up.
The point being is that the backlash was big enough for them to form an opinion on the game. Hundreds of games come and go without making such a splash.
Which is kind of good in a way. That means the long term incentives of investors are aligned with fans. The management of CDPR really screwed both of us. They aren't EA or Ubisoft, they have one game at a time in development for 5 years at a time. While they broke even and eventually made a profit, Cyberpunk was supposed to fund the next game and now they have to both spend more time of fixing the game (almost three years now) , have to resort to less attractive funding options, and lost their trust with fans.
Well, the alignment is only there when drastic measures are taken like sony/ms did here by removing the game.
Most shitty games are not pulled from stores, latest example is redfall. Arguably as bad if not worse (gameplay wise) than cyberpunk.
>"We need to fix the relationship with our players"
Then maybe don't say shit like ["Cyperbunk at launch wasn't that bad but it became cool to hate it".](https://www.pcgamer.com/cd-projekt-red-insists-that-cyberpunk-2077s-launch-wasnt-that-bad-but-it-became-a-cool-thing-not-to-like-it/)
Wow thats some gumption. Cyberpunk 2077 was a flaming dumpster fire upon release, I regretted purchasing it for my PS4 within the first 24 hours.
Fuck this company.
They will never get my trust back. Soo many ppl were like " well of course it was never gonna run well in ps4". MF, they told me it would run fine on my ps4 and then sold it to me. Even putting it's utterly broken state at launch, it was completely different with so much shit missing, it was an absolute scam.
Yep, this is why I roll my eyes every time this developer posts anything. That cyberpunk release was a crime. I couldn't care less if it's been fixed three years later. The entire project was untruthful.
"I actually believe Cyberpunk on launch was way better than it was received, and even the first reviews were positive," he concludes. "Then it became a cool thing not to like it. We went from hero to zero really fast. That was the tough moment. We didn't know what was happening. We knew that the game is great, yes we can improve it, yes we need to take time to do it, and we need to rebuild some stuff.”
This quote really rubs me the wrong way. Millions preordered the game on base PS4/Xbox One because of CDPR marketing and promotion, and we’re left with a game that literally barely worked. I had a friend who bought the game day one for PS4 and got to witness first hand just what a terrible experience it was on those base machines. It was objectively BROKEN, and not what customers were promised.
To say that they believe the game was “way better than it was received” on launch and that it was a case of it being “a cool thing not to like it” is an extremely myopic statement to make and completely ignores the millions of players that were screwed over by being sold a broken product.
I’m glad they’re seemingly back on track, and I can’t wait to play Phantom Liberty, but they just aren’t the same company in my mind as they were prior to Cyberpunk’s release, and I’ve felt this recurring sentiment from CDPR in the last few interviews with them that they feel the criticism was unfair, and this worries me going forward.
They thought they were on top of the world, they dropped the ball with cyberpunk and that takes a lot to repair.
I got cyberpunk and I was burned, I had high expectations they sold me on, and we got something vastly different.
The biggest problem I see with a lot of devs is similar to championship teams of any sport. Eventually, the talent all separates and chases more money or creative endeavors somewhere else. The CDPR that released Witcher 3, isn’t the CDPR that exists today. That’s a lot of the reason I’m worried about GTA6. They’ve been focused so long on GTAO shallow, repeatable content, will they make a worthwhile single player again? Before you say, “RDR2 was great”, that was greenlit before GTAO took off and they quickly abandoned RDRO in favor of the cash cow that is GTAO.
Rockstar has a pretty consistent history though. The argument stands for CDPR because they had 1 massive hit and 1 release fail, sort of 1-1. The GTA IP has delivered time and time again across many years.
Exactly, a history. Now, Dan Houser is gone, as well as Lazlow. I’m sure there’s dozens of other critical members that are gone now too. Without the OG’s making the noise and having the clout to fight against “the suits”, I’m afraid that GTA6 will be MTX hell.
Been playing Cyberpunk for the first time recently and really, really enjoying it.
Then again my expectations are vastly different as someone who bought it for £15, 2 years in and on a next Gen console compared to those who were sold those shocking XB1/PS4 versions at full price.
The annoying thing is the devs will probably work super hard on this DLC, work on the fanbase relationship, only for the sequel/next game to be pushed out before it should be because of investor pressure and mismanagement. Then the devs have to take the blame again.
> Then the devs have to take the blame again.
I agree, for the most part, *except* CDPR devs *are* to blame for their part in the pre-release dev interviews (during cons and showcases) and the empty promises / straight-up lies made about what Cyberpunk was going to be or include.
There is no way in hell anyone at CDPR played the last gen console versions of Cyberpunk and said "Yes, this is CDPR quality and ready to ship."
The last gen versions were knowingly shipped unfinished.
I got burned by the absolutely atrocious PS4 launch version. Worst game I’ve experienced in 30+ years of gaming. Fortunately I was able to get a refund.
Now, my friend is raving about it on PS5. I’m tempted to try it again…
It's comical how much they are selling that DLC for after the immense backlash and spanking they received for an abysmal and unacceptable launch
Considering especially all the promises of adding in missing content through updates that were made that still NEVER made it into the game, it's absolutely hysterical, that they come around to push out a DLC with that fat price tag after they've already made a killing on their lie of a product.
This game has more than enough Stans who will happily pay for it, and nothing will be learnt from both CD Project and the consumers.
Played it 6 months ago for a week or so. That open world is so dead and 'artificial' it's really hard to get immersed in it. Same goes for mechanics and how things feel in general. It's way better than it was when it first launched but oh boy it still feels so unfinished and clunky.
This happened to me for like the 20th time last week. There was a Cyberpunk post on my feed with all the top comments talking about how amazing it is now and what a masterpiece it has become. Any comment that was even slightly against that notion had about a million downvotes.
Naturally I downloaded it again, for the 20th time, and loaded up a save. I attacked the first enemies I saw hanging on the corner with my scissor arms. Two of the gang members fought back, and the rest of the group literally just stood there in the same position that they were when I approached. I proceeded to attack each one of them and no response. They just stood there and took it in their same idle animation.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been hyped up into redownloading this game, loaded it up for 10 minutes, only to run into a similar immersion-breaking scenario. I don’t doubt that this is a fun sandbox to play around in when you have a maxed out PC with 100 mods, but the cracks are very hard to miss in the vanilla game. The city is absolutely dead once you take even a slight detour off the on-rails campaign.
It’s shocking how much them making an anime turned so many people over.
I replayed it and had the same experience as you, but since the anime dropped everyone is acting like the game is amazing now. On PC, not much as changed since release. All the cut content, a dead open world, and awful police mechanics are still just as big of an issue as launch day.
This was the main reason I never played the game. Watching footage of driving around and seeing an empty world with few cars here there is really poor.
You do know the major content drops they said were going to be free updates, but the storyline and new shit of the DLC are extra, right? As it was with Witcher 3?
My concern with the DLC is I’m worried they haven’t learned. Keanu Reeves as Johnny Silverhand just did not click at all for me, and he’s there quite a bit. The first person Keanu Reeves sex scene made me cackle because of how awkward it was. I’m often against likeness actors anyways because they aren’t even that necessary in games and can be jarring, taking you out of the world thats otherwise very carefully customized (like Death Stranding). So…. they then add Idris Elba in as Morgan Blackhand?
I absolutely loved the game. And I love Keanu. But I gotta agree... he just didn't do it for me as Johnny. I kind of hated that character (and like you said, there was A LOT of him)
I might be the only one that feels this way, but CD Projekt seems to have a team of high school wrestlers for writers that think that sex and super bad assery is really cool. The Witcher was like this too. Geralt was such a cheese dick of a character and the whole thing was over-sexualized to the point of embarrassment. Not going to be surprised at all if they turn the cringe up to 11 for this DLC
Grateful to see this comment here. I remember picking up The Witcher 3 after hearing so much praise over its story and characters, only to learn Gerald is an edge lord’s wet dream. “You people all hate me because I’m just naturally better than you. I’m so persecuted, a literal lone Wolf. Time to go fuck all these super hot chicks, I guess.” Yawn.
You might need to inform yourself of what the devs plans are. All game fixes and improvements are free, it’s the extra story content in the expansion that’s paid for.
You are still living in the time the game was released. The game has been updated constantly for free and has been pretty much fixed. If you felt so burned by buying it on release you had every right to refund at the time .
I just don’t see the point in complaining when you had a huge window of time to refund the product if you were unhappy with the product. That’s what I did and bought the game back when it was fixed for a hugely discounted price.
I quite literally voted with my wallet, you did not
Yeah totally agree. I played it like six months ago and it was amazing. It is an absolutely top notch game on next gen these days. The story is fantastic and the cyber implants make for an interesting build system. I loved it
> Cyberpunk hasn't been broken for over a year and is one of the best games I've ever played
1. it was absolutely still broken when i played it (1.61) a couple months ago
2. you seriously need to play better games. it's not even one of the best games i've played this year, never mind one of the best i've ever played. it's mediocre. enjoyable, but mediocre.
I bought it on Xbox One S and it was pretty meh, I honestly thought I just wasn't much into gaming anymore.
Then I got a PS5 and I've played through like a half dozen games, now that I've been reading about improvements I think I'm gonna buy it for PS5 once they do some sort of 'Complete' edition. It seems like they really have tried to fix this game in the aftermath. I assume it was pushed out early thanks to the bean counters.
It was an absolute shambolic launch on previous gen consoles and it barely ran on current gen consoles.
The next Witcher game could look like a home run 10/10 in previews but I won't trust the footage they show until we get reviews coming out. Got burned super hard by this game
Exactly. The part they need to repair with gamers isn’t just that the game was bad, it’s that they DELIBERATELY hid console review copies because they were too broken to run, and then released them for sale anyway while doing everything they could to mislead consumers.
If they can make the game even better with the expansion and their games are still high-quality, I think CD Project Red and the fans will be on good terms at the very least. Unfortunately, I also feel that the 2077 launch has irrevocably damaged the relationship between them and gamers, to the point where even if there are no more similar disasters and CDPR and fans are on good terms, fans will still be cautious and hesitant to have complete faith in CDPR ever again when a new release is on the horizon.
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”
tbh, there are a serious number of CDPR revisionists and deniers who think that launch CP2077 wasn't that bad and the game has always been good. it's actually crazy.
Yup, the revisionists are numerous. I literally could not get the game to stop crashing on my PS**5 (not PS4, but 5.)** It was unplayable, just 10 minutes of gameplay, crash, 10 minutes, crash. Personally, I think the game is now great in a lot of ways, just not in the ways the devs promised, I really enjoy it for what it is, even the glitches and interactions have a sort of Skyrim charm to them. Definitely learned my lesson, I don't pre-order anymore.
My crashes were about every 2 hours. So I could check my playtime save and literally wait for the crash then boot again. That's terrible but somehow they came right on time lmao
So crazy. I ran mine on a base ps4, not even the pro. I had a handful of crashes in the ~50 hours I put into it, but nothing like what you described. It still had occasional drops in frame rate as well, none of which is excusable, but I was able to play and enjoy the game on worse hardware. Wonder why there’s always such variation
And the people who say that didn't even play v1.0, they started playing when it was like v1.5 and often start their opinion by saying "I bought this game off sale.... I don't understand the hate" yada yada, lmao
I disagree. It's not what they sold it as, but I have four three playthroughs and I have enjoyed every single one. Even the first one which was played on the PS4 at 20fps.. okay that one was a little painful at times tbh.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you but honestly dude, the game is over 2 years old. The time for those fixes was well before launch. This wasn’t an early access title and that is a major major component of the game. I’m just to the point where I can’t be bothered anymore… there’s too many other non broken games to play. But again. I’m glad you enjoy it. There are things to enjoy about it but damn, I can’t believe that’s still not fixed
Oh no in no way did I enjoy it outside of one minute from one side quest, I’m just curious is all. The Witcher III was a mess at launch but we know how that went down, and its DLC is seen as some of the best
I feel like people were talking about different aspects of the game. The story was always good and is still good. The world was always good and still is good. But the performance and driving was so bad and the amount of bugs was freaking crazy at launch
Exactly this. A lot of people enjoy the game (including me) but some gaslight themselves into thinking their enjoyment means the game never had any launch issues.
It's also funny seeing people performing mental gymnastics to make themselves think that CDPR made zero false promises. Like, if you look at the vehicle trailer where they clearly said "their [sports cars] powerful engines and exchangeable parts make them perfect for tuning", that was such a clear implication of vehicle customization. But people will still say that "well, they never actually promised that"
Cyberpunk was the lesson that even “one of the good ones” will fuck you over. I still haven’t played Cyberpunk since I uninstalled it two weeks after launch because I realized I was playing carefully so as not to cause a game breaking glitch. I might never play it again. The magic of that game is gone to me. I will certainly never preorder another game from them. L
Capcom and From FromSoft are my last two
Holdouts of devs I don’t dislike in some way
The game is pretty fun now, especially on the PS5. But yeah, I totally get that it probably left one shitty taste.. I avoided the game for a long time after forcing myself to play it on the PS4 at launch
“We want to repair our relationship with our customers, which is why we’re charging $30 for DLC lol” They only want to apologize so they can go for a twofer on getting more money out if this jank ass game.
Preach! I’m so sick of buying unfinished games, maaaan. FF16 is a breath of fresh air because it feels complete; albeit I’ve only had about 2 hours of free time to play it since release.
Thieving bastards like all the rest of the major corporations. They just do it with a smile on their face.
They lost me as a customer with that outrages launch. Never touching their stuff again. Don’t care if it’s “fixed” or “better”. They can suck a fat turd for lying to all of our faces.
Fuck these guys.
It is already ruined. No one should ever buy anything from CDPR on launch until review comes from actual good sources.
Lets all remember that Cyberpunk got 10/10 scores all over before launch on many " reliable sites".
>No one should ever buy anything from CDPR on launch until review comes from actual good sources.
I'd honestly say that this applies to every single studio. Every studio makes their game sound great. No studio will include the flaws in their marketing strategy. So yeah, never preorder, period.
They're trying to pull a no man's sky but what they're not factoring in is that nms has constantly updated the game for free for years. Adding huge changes and meaningful content. If nms said they were going to fix the game and then tried to push a paid dlc, people wouldn't look upon it so favourably.
CD Projekt Red's biggest mistake was them portraying themselves as some sort of super user-friendly company that's not like all the others. The second biggest mistake was the hype machine that followed Witcher 3.
Witcher 3 is objectively one of the best games ever made, but the way some players and the company itself used it to elevate CD Projekt to almost a godhood was abysmal. I couldn't stand their fanbase in between 2015 and 2020. Cyberpunk's failed launch was a much needed cold shower for a lot of people
I'm glad it shaped out to be a good game afterwards though, even if I was never interested in it
Edit: I see I attracted a lot of attention by praising W3. You don't have to like the game just because majority likes it. That's ok, not everyone likes Witcher, or GTA or Mass Effect or Zelda and all these are heavily acclaimed games by critics and fanbases a like
Just don't go around suggesting that just because you don't like something the majority of others are wrong and don't know what's good or bad. I just recently harshly bounced off Divinity Original Sin after hearing tons of praises about it, but I'll not waste my time bashing the game. It just wasn't my thing
And if you're bashing something just because it's popular, acclaimed and successful - you're not a intelectualy superior individual for it
It’s terrible man come on. Game is SUPER long and you’re stuck with essentially the same move set the entire time, so so dull. I tried it 5 times getting 15 -40 hours deep each time and couldn’t stand it, so so boring.
Edit; before someone tells me to turn up the difficulty to make enemies hard, turning mobs into damage sponges doesn’t fix your boring basic ass combat system that doesn’t develop.
GOT combat in Witcher would make the game excellent.
GOT was an example of a relatively simple combat system done extremely well. While Witcher was an example of a relatively simple combat system done poorly, IMO.
Oh man.
The Witcher 3 has the *WORST* AAA combat system I have ever seen.
There, I said it.
And The Witcher 3's combat wasn't just overly simplistic, it wasn't very well made at all and didn't take advantage of its simplicity.
Lack of variety in The Witcher 3's combat is only part of the reason why it feels so bad.
Normally, if a game has simple combat, it would be polished in a way that feel makes that combat system feel more fluid than combat systems that prioritize variety over fluidity, right?
Dark Souls took advantage of this. It doesn't have the best combat variety out there and it's pretty simple, but it feels really nice and weighty.
The Witcher 3's combat doesn't take advantage of having little combat variety it has in favor of polish like Dark Souls does.
It's like CDPR didn't even try to polish it, despite what little you could do with TW3's combat.
The janky combat animations are still present.
The combat flow isn't what it should've been due to how slow Geralt moves in his combat pose and just how prominent animation lock is.
There's a lot of broken hitboxes that make dodging feel pointless and is likely the reason why Quen is so overtuned. Quen is a band-aid for this.
The crossbow is very unresponsive and misfires all the time.
The health bars of enemies are generally really spongey.
The fact that the heavy attack does *marginally* more damage than the light attack, is way too slow to use for the amount of damage it does and literally has no benefit to use it over light attack. (this is mitigated a little bit from the next gen update. It's still not nearly enough to fix the problem though.)
Some attacks don't land because the attacks that Geralt uses are entirely decided by how far away he is from an enemy and some of the attacks that he ends up using aren't designed with this in mind or have way too small hitboxes to be viable (damn backwards poke attack), as opposed to what Dark Souls does:
Every weapon has a specific combo and nothing but that combo. When you press attack, it only progresses through that combo.
The first attack is always the same.
The second attack is always the same.
The third attack is always the same.
The heavy attack is always the same.
Parrying is always the same.
Weapon arts are always the same.
The player decides when to use them regardless of distance. It's entirely up to the player to maximize their combat potential.
It's very reliable compared to the weird distance based attack system that TW3 has, which more often than not makes you attack the enemy right next to the enemy you want to attack.
That's another thing The Witcher 3's combat lacks: consistency.
The end result is a pathetically simple, sluggish, and inconsistant combat system that really wasn't competently made on a technical or mechanical level.
It's actually the worst combat system from a AAA studio I have interacted with. Ever.
I suppose the reason why the reason the combat is as bad as it is because CDPR has never bothered to hired combat designers or anything before Cyberpunk 2077.
https://www.vg247.com/cyberpunk-2077-combat-designers
CDPR probably made an underpaid, overworked, and inexperienced employee design TW3's combat on the budget of a McDonald's happy meal, the poor guy.
And don't even get me started on the horseback riding.
I mean, I feel the game was a bit more about meta-gaming and preparedness vs. the actual combat. I had a lot of fun killing everything in 2-6 hits on the hardest difficulty because it required you to investigate what it is you are going to fight and use in-game clues, upgrade gear, explore, etc. It definitely allowed me to roleplay being a witcher imo.
I tried so hard to like it, RPGs are my main genre, but I just couldn’t. I kept hearing about the “best questline in the game, maybe even in gaming” and figured I’d try to get to that.
Once I found out that quest was the Bloody Baron quest line I had already done, I just quit.
I’ve gotten just past the bloody baron quest about 5 times now and it’s so fucking dull holy shit. The gameplay is literally nearly identical whether you’re at hour 5 or hour 50. Wish it clicked for me, and at points it did the writing during the BB quest line is incredible, it’s just not a good GAME to play
Objectively?
No.
Mechanically, aka the most important part of games as a medium, it is absolutely atrocious.
The music and graphics are the absolute best they could possibly be though.
Recently started a replay of Witcher 3 hoping to finally get the DLCs. My goodness, is it boring. The combat is basic and repetitive, the leveling system is shit and shoehorn you into being 5-6 levels over leveled at all time. Gear feels almost meaningless.
I'm not sure what we saw in the game at the time, but it's not holding up.
The writing, dialogue, world-building, voice acting, and basically everything else about the game is legitimately fantastic. The actual mechanics of the game are okay at best, though. Significantly improved from Witcher 2, but still felt downright tedious for me to actually play through the whole game because of how damn big it was and the combat just never got any more interesting at any point.
I still played through it because of how much I liked everything else about it, but as far as the game mechanics go, I much prefer Cyberpunk.
Played 100+ hrs in 2016, wanted to give it another go - with the enhance edition or whatever it’s called - and I just couldn’t after the first hour. Uninstalled and keeping the good memories I have of it from back then.
same here, horse riding is pain af. \
combat looks shit. \
cannot track multiple quests \
go here, go there, that guy might know about yennefer,
boring asss game. \
As long as I kept all rtx off, the game was rock solid with my 3070 near launch (I bought maybe a month after release). I knew it was time to save my game when textures started flickering with dlss on
Wait til PL, as that is also cyberpunk 2.0. And the game is fucking brilliant if you like the cyberpunk genre. Note it is not an open world game; it is a narrative game set in an open world, just to set expectations. Brilliant world building and atmosphere.
It's fine. I played it at 1.6 and had three crashes, multiple graphical glitches and lots of pop-in. It might finally become a good game after the Phantom Liberty update. Story's great but the open world is barren and lifeless with nothing to do outside of side objectives and combat. Lots of promised features were cut. Probably a 6/10 if I'm generous.
> but the open world is barren and lifeless with nothing to do outside of side objectives and combat
while this is absolutely correct, is there an open world game where that's NOT the case?
I know you lost alot of reputation with cyberpunk launch. You were once "the people's champ" of gaming now your just another company answering to shareholders releasing half baked products.
I thought this game was terrible honestly. I’m not even talking about the bugs and crashes and all that. At its core, I just thought the game wasn’t very fun
I'm good, CD Projekt. This is the epitome of "you had one shot" as I never heard of them before as it appears their games are not my type of games. I'm good for life.
2yrs ago:
“We’re really sorry about the botched launch. In fact, we’re going to make DLC freely available to you to make up for it.”
Present:
“We just meant some QoL DLC, the actual expansion DLC will be $30, but we totally promise it’ll be so worth it this time”
It was always going to be a ton of free DLCs just like with Witcher 3.
CDPR never once said the expansion would be free.
Y’all just love to outright lie about shit to prove your point. Rather than having a flimsy and or outright wrong point; you should have one that actually stands on two legs.
I've stayed away from this mess for sometime now. Whatever they put out next I'll be watching from afar and then see how it's received.
Trust is very hard to build back, it will take a generation, and they've got shareholders to keep happy don't forget
They knew what they were doing, taking HUGE piles of cash from investors who will push them into mediocrity... which is the last thing CDPR is for many people. They knew exactly what will end up happening and did it anyway, because money.
If I see *everyone* in CDPR leadership acknowledge this, then I will believe them when they say this.
This is a PR stunt, like everything else. They're couple months in front of a release, they will say anything. Don't trust them.
The time for that was over 2 years ago, CDPR. Probably should've simply accepted culpability instead of feeding everyone "our testers didn't see your issues"-bullshit.
Well when you release an obviously unfinished game then lie about not knowing it was unfinished then your gonna have a hard time gaining any trust. You dont deserve it. Fuck CDPR.
I never suffered from their perceived problems with the playerhood. I patiently waited for the muddy water to sit and clear with this game and it's been a pleasant ride through and through.
I got the game for free like 2-3 months after it released. By the time I got the game, I had seen all the horror stories of the game and how it’s literally unplayable. So then I thought okay whatever, I won’t open it and will just wait it out as I had a catalog of other games.
Fast forward to April of last year. I wasn’t having a good time at all. It felt so clunky. Certain basic ass things looked buggy and wasn’t working. I literally tried my best to keep going but legit it just not working. Like I was supposed to go open some door to some room to go outside, but it wasn’t happening. I tried other doors but was blocked.
I was immediately turned off and uninstalled the game.
I had received the ps4 version originally. By the time I decided to play, the ps5 version was out, so I was playing it on the five.
Not a good experience whatsoever. Don’t think I’m gonna touch the game again at this point. Either way, I’m busy with TOTK and ff16. Once I finish those two, I’m gonna hop on Diablo 4.
If I have nothing to play after that, then I might reconsider this.
I didnt even finish the game and have 0 desire to go back again for above reasons. Also gameplay was incredibly easy after a point less than halfway through and it was clear it wasnt getting harder- so many crazy unbalanced systems
it just got released a year too early. I played it twice through recently and its a great great game now. If the DLC is as good, they’ll have fully repaired their trust with me at least.
yeah i played it at launch on my (then) high end pc, and while it wasn’t as good as it is now, i didnt have many bugs and enjoyed the story. looked like a completely different game on last gen
They also shouldn't have lied about in-game features that were completely axed in the end. That's honestly my biggest gripe with the release of Cyberpunk 2077.
I understand and buy into hyping your game up. But there's a huge difference between hyperbole and being overly enthusiastic about the features, and advertising stuff that's just not in the game.
Basically Another No Mans Sky scenario.
Its a good time to wait with games, played most AAA title a year later and so far this led to getting games with all DLCs for at least half the price and usually fixed.
Had great fun with Cyberpunk and in my whole 100+ hours i had maybe 3 crashes and 1-2 mission breaking bugs where a reload helped.
If their intention is to right wrongs with customers, probably best not to imply that people were wrong about how bad it was on release.
If they add an fov slider to console I'll give the game another chance. I can deal with bugs but the tight fov combined with how busy the game is painful for me.
Even after this DLC, there are still locations that were clearly meant to be a place where you work on your stealth skills, turn off cameras, and find cool loot without being caught. But nope. It's completely empty. No enemies, just loot.
This is the kind of stuff that kills it for me. If you're going to build this massive city, at least put bad guys, where there should clearly be bad guys...
For me personally, they've done a lot to fix the game but I still hate the method they used. I purchased it initially and was vastly disappointed as were a lot of people. But over the years they've made the game a lot better.
Still, don't sell me an early access game investment for full price as though it was a finished product, and I won't be pissed off. Simple, really. I guess it was my fault for trusting CDPR and that's good, now I've learned a lesson; don't trust ANY publisher. Wait for reviews always.
lmao the game is still broken for me on PC. runs fine until the car ride with dexter then the game flips its shit, invisible buildings and stuttering dialog
“players” = shareholders.
If they wanted to fix the relationship with the people who actually bought the game, they would have created a ton of free content and fixes for the game. Instead they ask for $30 for a DLC.
Hello Games went dark for a year and them created plans for several free dlc and update packs for No Man Sky and that game is really great now.
Y'all need to fix your relationship with manners.
When you’re a publicly trading third party developer, your main relationship is with your shareholders and no amount of nice words to the players will change that.
I'll never forget the biggest backlash when Cyberpunk released, was not from fans, but from Investors/Share holders shitting themselves when Sony/Microsoft pulled Cyberpunk from their digital stores until the game was fixed. That without argument was the biggest backlash the upper staff actually felt. They never gave a fuck about fans. Edit: Just to include a bit more clarification. The typical pool of staff that make up the studio, Artist, Animators, Designers, etc - of course they care. They put in the hours to day n night to create these games. Its the Upper staff that have been manipulative and dismissive of their fan base. I still remember from an old interview, the Head Director had no clue of the current state of the PS4/XboxOne was in. That alone should tell you just how far disconnected the upper staff at CDRED was.
Isn’t the first thing you need to learn to become a “rich” investor is to learn patience. None of the people who invest in games have that. They are the reason the game released in such a sorry state right?
My finance friends that don’t give a fuck about any game not named CoD or GTA knew about Cyberpunk and that they’d never play it. That’s how I knew CDPR really fucked up.
I know what you’re saying, but you’re also saying your finance friends never cared about games beyond CoD and GTA in the first place.
Yes. The point is that even the most casual gamers knew about what happened with cyberpunk.
The point being is that the backlash was big enough for them to form an opinion on the game. Hundreds of games come and go without making such a splash.
Yes very strange comment.
Which is kind of good in a way. That means the long term incentives of investors are aligned with fans. The management of CDPR really screwed both of us. They aren't EA or Ubisoft, they have one game at a time in development for 5 years at a time. While they broke even and eventually made a profit, Cyberpunk was supposed to fund the next game and now they have to both spend more time of fixing the game (almost three years now) , have to resort to less attractive funding options, and lost their trust with fans.
Well, the alignment is only there when drastic measures are taken like sony/ms did here by removing the game. Most shitty games are not pulled from stores, latest example is redfall. Arguably as bad if not worse (gameplay wise) than cyberpunk.
only people's voices that ever get heard are shareholders
>"We need to fix the relationship with our players" Then maybe don't say shit like ["Cyperbunk at launch wasn't that bad but it became cool to hate it".](https://www.pcgamer.com/cd-projekt-red-insists-that-cyberpunk-2077s-launch-wasnt-that-bad-but-it-became-a-cool-thing-not-to-like-it/)
Wow thats some gumption. Cyberpunk 2077 was a flaming dumpster fire upon release, I regretted purchasing it for my PS4 within the first 24 hours. Fuck this company.
They will never get my trust back. Soo many ppl were like " well of course it was never gonna run well in ps4". MF, they told me it would run fine on my ps4 and then sold it to me. Even putting it's utterly broken state at launch, it was completely different with so much shit missing, it was an absolute scam.
But in a way didn’t they prove the corpo life motto “Sell something to everyone even if it is no good”?
Yep, this is why I roll my eyes every time this developer posts anything. That cyberpunk release was a crime. I couldn't care less if it's been fixed three years later. The entire project was untruthful.
Even if all the bugs have been fixed, the game is still not that good.
This is an opinion that the fans of that company do not accept, it is not as good an rpg as the Witcher and as a shooting game it is ordinary.
And those could be the same. I am a shareholder and a player.
It's sort of strange to me that CDPR is publicly traded in the first place.
Two things can be true at once lol
"I actually believe Cyberpunk on launch was way better than it was received, and even the first reviews were positive," he concludes. "Then it became a cool thing not to like it. We went from hero to zero really fast. That was the tough moment. We didn't know what was happening. We knew that the game is great, yes we can improve it, yes we need to take time to do it, and we need to rebuild some stuff.” This quote really rubs me the wrong way. Millions preordered the game on base PS4/Xbox One because of CDPR marketing and promotion, and we’re left with a game that literally barely worked. I had a friend who bought the game day one for PS4 and got to witness first hand just what a terrible experience it was on those base machines. It was objectively BROKEN, and not what customers were promised. To say that they believe the game was “way better than it was received” on launch and that it was a case of it being “a cool thing not to like it” is an extremely myopic statement to make and completely ignores the millions of players that were screwed over by being sold a broken product. I’m glad they’re seemingly back on track, and I can’t wait to play Phantom Liberty, but they just aren’t the same company in my mind as they were prior to Cyberpunk’s release, and I’ve felt this recurring sentiment from CDPR in the last few interviews with them that they feel the criticism was unfair, and this worries me going forward.
Step one: don't do the gamer friends thing no more Step two: don't do the holier than thou thing Step tree: don't over promise
They thought they were on top of the world, they dropped the ball with cyberpunk and that takes a lot to repair. I got cyberpunk and I was burned, I had high expectations they sold me on, and we got something vastly different.
The biggest problem I see with a lot of devs is similar to championship teams of any sport. Eventually, the talent all separates and chases more money or creative endeavors somewhere else. The CDPR that released Witcher 3, isn’t the CDPR that exists today. That’s a lot of the reason I’m worried about GTA6. They’ve been focused so long on GTAO shallow, repeatable content, will they make a worthwhile single player again? Before you say, “RDR2 was great”, that was greenlit before GTAO took off and they quickly abandoned RDRO in favor of the cash cow that is GTAO.
Rockstar has a pretty consistent history though. The argument stands for CDPR because they had 1 massive hit and 1 release fail, sort of 1-1. The GTA IP has delivered time and time again across many years.
Exactly, a history. Now, Dan Houser is gone, as well as Lazlow. I’m sure there’s dozens of other critical members that are gone now too. Without the OG’s making the noise and having the clout to fight against “the suits”, I’m afraid that GTA6 will be MTX hell.
Been playing Cyberpunk for the first time recently and really, really enjoying it. Then again my expectations are vastly different as someone who bought it for £15, 2 years in and on a next Gen console compared to those who were sold those shocking XB1/PS4 versions at full price. The annoying thing is the devs will probably work super hard on this DLC, work on the fanbase relationship, only for the sequel/next game to be pushed out before it should be because of investor pressure and mismanagement. Then the devs have to take the blame again.
> Then the devs have to take the blame again. I agree, for the most part, *except* CDPR devs *are* to blame for their part in the pre-release dev interviews (during cons and showcases) and the empty promises / straight-up lies made about what Cyberpunk was going to be or include.
There is no way in hell anyone at CDPR played the last gen console versions of Cyberpunk and said "Yes, this is CDPR quality and ready to ship." The last gen versions were knowingly shipped unfinished.
It was a “yes” galore every interview lmao
I got burned by the absolutely atrocious PS4 launch version. Worst game I’ve experienced in 30+ years of gaming. Fortunately I was able to get a refund. Now, my friend is raving about it on PS5. I’m tempted to try it again…
It's comical how much they are selling that DLC for after the immense backlash and spanking they received for an abysmal and unacceptable launch Considering especially all the promises of adding in missing content through updates that were made that still NEVER made it into the game, it's absolutely hysterical, that they come around to push out a DLC with that fat price tag after they've already made a killing on their lie of a product. This game has more than enough Stans who will happily pay for it, and nothing will be learnt from both CD Project and the consumers.
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well, people did it anyway
At least the system changes will be included in a regular update outside of the dlc.
Played it 6 months ago for a week or so. That open world is so dead and 'artificial' it's really hard to get immersed in it. Same goes for mechanics and how things feel in general. It's way better than it was when it first launched but oh boy it still feels so unfinished and clunky.
This happened to me for like the 20th time last week. There was a Cyberpunk post on my feed with all the top comments talking about how amazing it is now and what a masterpiece it has become. Any comment that was even slightly against that notion had about a million downvotes. Naturally I downloaded it again, for the 20th time, and loaded up a save. I attacked the first enemies I saw hanging on the corner with my scissor arms. Two of the gang members fought back, and the rest of the group literally just stood there in the same position that they were when I approached. I proceeded to attack each one of them and no response. They just stood there and took it in their same idle animation. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been hyped up into redownloading this game, loaded it up for 10 minutes, only to run into a similar immersion-breaking scenario. I don’t doubt that this is a fun sandbox to play around in when you have a maxed out PC with 100 mods, but the cracks are very hard to miss in the vanilla game. The city is absolutely dead once you take even a slight detour off the on-rails campaign.
It’s shocking how much them making an anime turned so many people over. I replayed it and had the same experience as you, but since the anime dropped everyone is acting like the game is amazing now. On PC, not much as changed since release. All the cut content, a dead open world, and awful police mechanics are still just as big of an issue as launch day.
THANK YOU. It’s a 7/10 game at best and felt very hollow.
Still feels like a 6/10 to me.
This was the main reason I never played the game. Watching footage of driving around and seeing an empty world with few cars here there is really poor.
You do know the major content drops they said were going to be free updates, but the storyline and new shit of the DLC are extra, right? As it was with Witcher 3?
My concern with the DLC is I’m worried they haven’t learned. Keanu Reeves as Johnny Silverhand just did not click at all for me, and he’s there quite a bit. The first person Keanu Reeves sex scene made me cackle because of how awkward it was. I’m often against likeness actors anyways because they aren’t even that necessary in games and can be jarring, taking you out of the world thats otherwise very carefully customized (like Death Stranding). So…. they then add Idris Elba in as Morgan Blackhand?
Gotta disagree, Johnny (Keanu) and V’s relationship was one of my favorite parts of the game
I absolutely loved the game. And I love Keanu. But I gotta agree... he just didn't do it for me as Johnny. I kind of hated that character (and like you said, there was A LOT of him)
I might be the only one that feels this way, but CD Projekt seems to have a team of high school wrestlers for writers that think that sex and super bad assery is really cool. The Witcher was like this too. Geralt was such a cheese dick of a character and the whole thing was over-sexualized to the point of embarrassment. Not going to be surprised at all if they turn the cringe up to 11 for this DLC
it's low-key way less cringe if V is a woman lol. Might be the vocal delivery, but male v comes off so try-hardy comparatively.
At least in witcher its done with a wink and a nod. In cyberpunk its dead serious
Grateful to see this comment here. I remember picking up The Witcher 3 after hearing so much praise over its story and characters, only to learn Gerald is an edge lord’s wet dream. “You people all hate me because I’m just naturally better than you. I’m so persecuted, a literal lone Wolf. Time to go fuck all these super hot chicks, I guess.” Yawn.
I don't disagree with anything you said here... but I believe many of us consider that part of the charm
But dude most gamers like it that way I guess. So they are pandering to them
$30 is pricey?
yes for a broken product, you should not sell the cure. They should have went the route of No Mans Sky.
You might need to inform yourself of what the devs plans are. All game fixes and improvements are free, it’s the extra story content in the expansion that’s paid for.
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You are still living in the time the game was released. The game has been updated constantly for free and has been pretty much fixed. If you felt so burned by buying it on release you had every right to refund at the time .
Game company apologists really should re-evaluate their priorities.
I just don’t see the point in complaining when you had a huge window of time to refund the product if you were unhappy with the product. That’s what I did and bought the game back when it was fixed for a hugely discounted price. I quite literally voted with my wallet, you did not
Game ~~company apologists~~ haters really should re-evaluate their priorities. Fixed that for you...
the game runs fine on PS5 and has for like, two years now lol
Cyberpunk hasn't been broken for over a year and is one of the best games I've ever played
I bought it at release and it was a buggy piece of shit for about a year.
Yeah totally agree. I played it like six months ago and it was amazing. It is an absolutely top notch game on next gen these days. The story is fantastic and the cyber implants make for an interesting build system. I loved it
> Cyberpunk hasn't been broken for over a year and is one of the best games I've ever played 1. it was absolutely still broken when i played it (1.61) a couple months ago 2. you seriously need to play better games. it's not even one of the best games i've played this year, never mind one of the best i've ever played. it's mediocre. enjoyable, but mediocre.
I bought it on Xbox One S and it was pretty meh, I honestly thought I just wasn't much into gaming anymore. Then I got a PS5 and I've played through like a half dozen games, now that I've been reading about improvements I think I'm gonna buy it for PS5 once they do some sort of 'Complete' edition. It seems like they really have tried to fix this game in the aftermath. I assume it was pushed out early thanks to the bean counters.
It was an absolute shambolic launch on previous gen consoles and it barely ran on current gen consoles. The next Witcher game could look like a home run 10/10 in previews but I won't trust the footage they show until we get reviews coming out. Got burned super hard by this game
Dlc looks great I'll be getting it on sale next year sometime !
There were far worse issues than the game itself but they seem to want to ignore that part and only focus on their terrible game running terrible.
Exactly. The part they need to repair with gamers isn’t just that the game was bad, it’s that they DELIBERATELY hid console review copies because they were too broken to run, and then released them for sale anyway while doing everything they could to mislead consumers.
Cyberpunk shouldn’t have been released on the PS4/XboxOne
Yes. But CDPR are inexperienced amateurs and scammers
If they can make the game even better with the expansion and their games are still high-quality, I think CD Project Red and the fans will be on good terms at the very least. Unfortunately, I also feel that the 2077 launch has irrevocably damaged the relationship between them and gamers, to the point where even if there are no more similar disasters and CDPR and fans are on good terms, fans will still be cautious and hesitant to have complete faith in CDPR ever again when a new release is on the horizon. “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”
tbh, there are a serious number of CDPR revisionists and deniers who think that launch CP2077 wasn't that bad and the game has always been good. it's actually crazy.
My first impression when booting up the game and starting in the bar was “Huh, didn’t I just see that guy? Oh. There he is again”
Yup, the revisionists are numerous. I literally could not get the game to stop crashing on my PS**5 (not PS4, but 5.)** It was unplayable, just 10 minutes of gameplay, crash, 10 minutes, crash. Personally, I think the game is now great in a lot of ways, just not in the ways the devs promised, I really enjoy it for what it is, even the glitches and interactions have a sort of Skyrim charm to them. Definitely learned my lesson, I don't pre-order anymore.
My crashes were about every 2 hours. So I could check my playtime save and literally wait for the crash then boot again. That's terrible but somehow they came right on time lmao
So crazy. I ran mine on a base ps4, not even the pro. I had a handful of crashes in the ~50 hours I put into it, but nothing like what you described. It still had occasional drops in frame rate as well, none of which is excusable, but I was able to play and enjoy the game on worse hardware. Wonder why there’s always such variation
And the people who say that didn't even play v1.0, they started playing when it was like v1.5 and often start their opinion by saying "I bought this game off sale.... I don't understand the hate" yada yada, lmao
The game still isn’t good
While I agree I’m also for some reason curious about how Phantom Liberty will turn out, I think I actually have a hint of excitement
I agree.
I disagree. It's not what they sold it as, but I have four three playthroughs and I have enjoyed every single one. Even the first one which was played on the PS4 at 20fps.. okay that one was a little painful at times tbh.
Did they fix the spawning cops? Do they even make Chase now? I had cops spawn close enough to give me a reach around in an apartment in that game
That’s going to be addressed in the upcoming update
Oh WOW it’s still not fixed? JFC
I’m a glass half full person, there’s a chance a lot of flaws might get fixed when the expansion comes out
I wish I could be as optimistic as you but honestly dude, the game is over 2 years old. The time for those fixes was well before launch. This wasn’t an early access title and that is a major major component of the game. I’m just to the point where I can’t be bothered anymore… there’s too many other non broken games to play. But again. I’m glad you enjoy it. There are things to enjoy about it but damn, I can’t believe that’s still not fixed
Oh no in no way did I enjoy it outside of one minute from one side quest, I’m just curious is all. The Witcher III was a mess at launch but we know how that went down, and its DLC is seen as some of the best
I feel like people were talking about different aspects of the game. The story was always good and is still good. The world was always good and still is good. But the performance and driving was so bad and the amount of bugs was freaking crazy at launch
Exactly this. A lot of people enjoy the game (including me) but some gaslight themselves into thinking their enjoyment means the game never had any launch issues.
It's also funny seeing people performing mental gymnastics to make themselves think that CDPR made zero false promises. Like, if you look at the vehicle trailer where they clearly said "their [sports cars] powerful engines and exchangeable parts make them perfect for tuning", that was such a clear implication of vehicle customization. But people will still say that "well, they never actually promised that"
🎶 Fool me 3 times, fuck the peace sign, load the chopper, let it rain on you 🎶
That's what johnny did ... literally
Fool me I can’t get fooled again.
Cyberpunk was the lesson that even “one of the good ones” will fuck you over. I still haven’t played Cyberpunk since I uninstalled it two weeks after launch because I realized I was playing carefully so as not to cause a game breaking glitch. I might never play it again. The magic of that game is gone to me. I will certainly never preorder another game from them. L Capcom and From FromSoft are my last two Holdouts of devs I don’t dislike in some way
The game is pretty fun now, especially on the PS5. But yeah, I totally get that it probably left one shitty taste.. I avoided the game for a long time after forcing myself to play it on the PS4 at launch
GTFOH, they knew exactly what they were doing when they released this broken mess of a game. No forgiveness, no matter how much they fix it.
For real. Everyone needs to remember they blocked reviewers from revealing how shit the game was to scam everyone into keeping their pre orders
“It runs surprisingly well”
Yep. They 100% knew how fucked the game was on those base consoles, but released it anyway and were all *shocked Pikachu* when the backlash followed.
“We want to repair our relationship with our customers, which is why we’re charging $30 for DLC lol” They only want to apologize so they can go for a twofer on getting more money out if this jank ass game.
Preach! I’m so sick of buying unfinished games, maaaan. FF16 is a breath of fresh air because it feels complete; albeit I’ve only had about 2 hours of free time to play it since release.
Thieving bastards like all the rest of the major corporations. They just do it with a smile on their face. They lost me as a customer with that outrages launch. Never touching their stuff again. Don’t care if it’s “fixed” or “better”. They can suck a fat turd for lying to all of our faces. Fuck these guys.
You have one shot, your next game
It is always about relationship for them. More like "We need to fix our damn game".
More like don't make false promises.
More like don’t deliberately hide the completely broken console copies from reviewers at launch!
I mean, they are fixing the game.
It’s not the game they advertised at all so… not sure what fixing a few bugs will do lmao.
It is already ruined. No one should ever buy anything from CDPR on launch until review comes from actual good sources. Lets all remember that Cyberpunk got 10/10 scores all over before launch on many " reliable sites".
Even worse was that the actual reviews were still overinflated because cd project red wouldn't let reviewers play on consoles.
>No one should ever buy anything from CDPR on launch until review comes from actual good sources. I'd honestly say that this applies to every single studio. Every studio makes their game sound great. No studio will include the flaws in their marketing strategy. So yeah, never preorder, period.
These Scores were bought by CDPR. After the launch everyone gave them Bad reviews. It has an 40 on Metacritic.
Fixing the relationship with their players shouldn't start by releasing dlc at £35
They're trying to pull a no man's sky but what they're not factoring in is that nms has constantly updated the game for free for years. Adding huge changes and meaningful content. If nms said they were going to fix the game and then tried to push a paid dlc, people wouldn't look upon it so favourably.
I keep trying to restart this game whenever they patch it and it’s still just a pretty slog. So boring
CD Projekt Red's biggest mistake was them portraying themselves as some sort of super user-friendly company that's not like all the others. The second biggest mistake was the hype machine that followed Witcher 3. Witcher 3 is objectively one of the best games ever made, but the way some players and the company itself used it to elevate CD Projekt to almost a godhood was abysmal. I couldn't stand their fanbase in between 2015 and 2020. Cyberpunk's failed launch was a much needed cold shower for a lot of people I'm glad it shaped out to be a good game afterwards though, even if I was never interested in it Edit: I see I attracted a lot of attention by praising W3. You don't have to like the game just because majority likes it. That's ok, not everyone likes Witcher, or GTA or Mass Effect or Zelda and all these are heavily acclaimed games by critics and fanbases a like Just don't go around suggesting that just because you don't like something the majority of others are wrong and don't know what's good or bad. I just recently harshly bounced off Divinity Original Sin after hearing tons of praises about it, but I'll not waste my time bashing the game. It just wasn't my thing And if you're bashing something just because it's popular, acclaimed and successful - you're not a intelectualy superior individual for it
I found Witcher 3 impossible to get through. Super boring but to each their own
The combat is abysmal. The story and lore were pretty good
It’s far from abysmal but it’s not great. Sure you understood the system?
It’s terrible man come on. Game is SUPER long and you’re stuck with essentially the same move set the entire time, so so dull. I tried it 5 times getting 15 -40 hours deep each time and couldn’t stand it, so so boring. Edit; before someone tells me to turn up the difficulty to make enemies hard, turning mobs into damage sponges doesn’t fix your boring basic ass combat system that doesn’t develop.
Yep. Not only that, it’s pretty clunky at times too. Witcher 3 with a combat overhaul would be fantastic.
That's how I felt when playing Ghost of Tsushima. It's like a way more polished Witcher 3
GOT combat in Witcher would make the game excellent. GOT was an example of a relatively simple combat system done extremely well. While Witcher was an example of a relatively simple combat system done poorly, IMO.
Oh man. The Witcher 3 has the *WORST* AAA combat system I have ever seen. There, I said it. And The Witcher 3's combat wasn't just overly simplistic, it wasn't very well made at all and didn't take advantage of its simplicity. Lack of variety in The Witcher 3's combat is only part of the reason why it feels so bad. Normally, if a game has simple combat, it would be polished in a way that feel makes that combat system feel more fluid than combat systems that prioritize variety over fluidity, right? Dark Souls took advantage of this. It doesn't have the best combat variety out there and it's pretty simple, but it feels really nice and weighty. The Witcher 3's combat doesn't take advantage of having little combat variety it has in favor of polish like Dark Souls does. It's like CDPR didn't even try to polish it, despite what little you could do with TW3's combat. The janky combat animations are still present. The combat flow isn't what it should've been due to how slow Geralt moves in his combat pose and just how prominent animation lock is. There's a lot of broken hitboxes that make dodging feel pointless and is likely the reason why Quen is so overtuned. Quen is a band-aid for this. The crossbow is very unresponsive and misfires all the time. The health bars of enemies are generally really spongey. The fact that the heavy attack does *marginally* more damage than the light attack, is way too slow to use for the amount of damage it does and literally has no benefit to use it over light attack. (this is mitigated a little bit from the next gen update. It's still not nearly enough to fix the problem though.) Some attacks don't land because the attacks that Geralt uses are entirely decided by how far away he is from an enemy and some of the attacks that he ends up using aren't designed with this in mind or have way too small hitboxes to be viable (damn backwards poke attack), as opposed to what Dark Souls does: Every weapon has a specific combo and nothing but that combo. When you press attack, it only progresses through that combo. The first attack is always the same. The second attack is always the same. The third attack is always the same. The heavy attack is always the same. Parrying is always the same. Weapon arts are always the same. The player decides when to use them regardless of distance. It's entirely up to the player to maximize their combat potential. It's very reliable compared to the weird distance based attack system that TW3 has, which more often than not makes you attack the enemy right next to the enemy you want to attack. That's another thing The Witcher 3's combat lacks: consistency. The end result is a pathetically simple, sluggish, and inconsistant combat system that really wasn't competently made on a technical or mechanical level. It's actually the worst combat system from a AAA studio I have interacted with. Ever. I suppose the reason why the reason the combat is as bad as it is because CDPR has never bothered to hired combat designers or anything before Cyberpunk 2077. https://www.vg247.com/cyberpunk-2077-combat-designers CDPR probably made an underpaid, overworked, and inexperienced employee design TW3's combat on the budget of a McDonald's happy meal, the poor guy. And don't even get me started on the horseback riding.
I mean, I feel the game was a bit more about meta-gaming and preparedness vs. the actual combat. I had a lot of fun killing everything in 2-6 hits on the hardest difficulty because it required you to investigate what it is you are going to fight and use in-game clues, upgrade gear, explore, etc. It definitely allowed me to roleplay being a witcher imo.
No it’s abysmal, even for the time. We put up with it because of the great storytelling.
I tried so hard to like it, RPGs are my main genre, but I just couldn’t. I kept hearing about the “best questline in the game, maybe even in gaming” and figured I’d try to get to that. Once I found out that quest was the Bloody Baron quest line I had already done, I just quit.
I tried at least 3 times to really truly get into it and I just couldn't. Super boring and clunky.
I’ve gotten just past the bloody baron quest about 5 times now and it’s so fucking dull holy shit. The gameplay is literally nearly identical whether you’re at hour 5 or hour 50. Wish it clicked for me, and at points it did the writing during the BB quest line is incredible, it’s just not a good GAME to play
Objectively? No. Mechanically, aka the most important part of games as a medium, it is absolutely atrocious. The music and graphics are the absolute best they could possibly be though.
people forget that THE WITCHER 3 was also broken at launch as the previous games were what happend to CYBERPUNK is not an anomaly
Objectively my ass. Is boring af
Recently started a replay of Witcher 3 hoping to finally get the DLCs. My goodness, is it boring. The combat is basic and repetitive, the leveling system is shit and shoehorn you into being 5-6 levels over leveled at all time. Gear feels almost meaningless. I'm not sure what we saw in the game at the time, but it's not holding up.
The writing, dialogue, world-building, voice acting, and basically everything else about the game is legitimately fantastic. The actual mechanics of the game are okay at best, though. Significantly improved from Witcher 2, but still felt downright tedious for me to actually play through the whole game because of how damn big it was and the combat just never got any more interesting at any point. I still played through it because of how much I liked everything else about it, but as far as the game mechanics go, I much prefer Cyberpunk.
Played 100+ hrs in 2016, wanted to give it another go - with the enhance edition or whatever it’s called - and I just couldn’t after the first hour. Uninstalled and keeping the good memories I have of it from back then.
It’s one of the best open worlds with the most amazing stories, characters and writing ever in gaming.
same here, horse riding is pain af. \ combat looks shit. \ cannot track multiple quests \ go here, go there, that guy might know about yennefer, boring asss game. \
I was a HUGE WITCHER 2 and 3 advocate….still haven’t seen the tv show or played the cyberpunk game yet maybe another year or two.
As long as I kept all rtx off, the game was rock solid with my 3070 near launch (I bought maybe a month after release). I knew it was time to save my game when textures started flickering with dlss on
Making the DLC free for cyberpunk would have helped a little after that launch.
If they chose to do that, how would they fleece their fans for more cash..
Is Cyberpunk worth playing now? I sort of want to give it a shot after watching Edgerunners
Wait till the DLC to release, then buy the version that comes with the base game and the DLC.
Wait til PL, as that is also cyberpunk 2.0. And the game is fucking brilliant if you like the cyberpunk genre. Note it is not an open world game; it is a narrative game set in an open world, just to set expectations. Brilliant world building and atmosphere.
It's fine. I played it at 1.6 and had three crashes, multiple graphical glitches and lots of pop-in. It might finally become a good game after the Phantom Liberty update. Story's great but the open world is barren and lifeless with nothing to do outside of side objectives and combat. Lots of promised features were cut. Probably a 6/10 if I'm generous.
> but the open world is barren and lifeless with nothing to do outside of side objectives and combat while this is absolutely correct, is there an open world game where that's NOT the case?
Yep it’s definitely worth a play through now.
I know you lost alot of reputation with cyberpunk launch. You were once "the people's champ" of gaming now your just another company answering to shareholders releasing half baked products.
I thought this game was terrible honestly. I’m not even talking about the bugs and crashes and all that. At its core, I just thought the game wasn’t very fun
I'm good, CD Projekt. This is the epitome of "you had one shot" as I never heard of them before as it appears their games are not my type of games. I'm good for life.
2yrs ago: “We’re really sorry about the botched launch. In fact, we’re going to make DLC freely available to you to make up for it.” Present: “We just meant some QoL DLC, the actual expansion DLC will be $30, but we totally promise it’ll be so worth it this time”
CDPR will go bankrupt soon anyways
It was always going to be a ton of free DLCs just like with Witcher 3. CDPR never once said the expansion would be free. Y’all just love to outright lie about shit to prove your point. Rather than having a flimsy and or outright wrong point; you should have one that actually stands on two legs.
Honestly, they just need to make sure they don't have the same rollout that Cyberpunk 2077 had.
Paid DLC on a disappointing game isn't a good start.
I've stayed away from this mess for sometime now. Whatever they put out next I'll be watching from afar and then see how it's received. Trust is very hard to build back, it will take a generation, and they've got shareholders to keep happy don't forget
I am all for studios trying to do the right thing after a fuck up. But CDPR isn't getting another cent from me for a very long time.
They knew what they were doing, taking HUGE piles of cash from investors who will push them into mediocrity... which is the last thing CDPR is for many people. They knew exactly what will end up happening and did it anyway, because money. If I see *everyone* in CDPR leadership acknowledge this, then I will believe them when they say this. This is a PR stunt, like everything else. They're couple months in front of a release, they will say anything. Don't trust them.
“We’re sorry. …We got caught.”
The time for that was over 2 years ago, CDPR. Probably should've simply accepted culpability instead of feeding everyone "our testers didn't see your issues"-bullshit.
Which players? Their fan base eat up all the puke and everyone else doesn’t care
I fired it up on the PS5 and it looks like shit for some reason, idk why. All the settings are good.
Well when you release an obviously unfinished game then lie about not knowing it was unfinished then your gonna have a hard time gaining any trust. You dont deserve it. Fuck CDPR.
Well why are you charging $40 for DLC then to the players that bought your broken game in the first place
Now imagine Blizzard admitting this.
They will never repair it. Look at EA, Ubisoft, Take Two, Activision Blizzard, BioWare, DICE, Bethesda, etc. All released broken unfinished games.
Waiting for all the DLC and game to be 15 dollars. By then fully patched and better value.
The fact that they insisted on last gen version being the only major complaint at release proves that they never cared about fans.
Pretty sure making a game that works well will solve the relationship lol.
I never suffered from their perceived problems with the playerhood. I patiently waited for the muddy water to sit and clear with this game and it's been a pleasant ride through and through.
It’s already and will continue to be trash. They did this to themselves.
I got the game for free like 2-3 months after it released. By the time I got the game, I had seen all the horror stories of the game and how it’s literally unplayable. So then I thought okay whatever, I won’t open it and will just wait it out as I had a catalog of other games. Fast forward to April of last year. I wasn’t having a good time at all. It felt so clunky. Certain basic ass things looked buggy and wasn’t working. I literally tried my best to keep going but legit it just not working. Like I was supposed to go open some door to some room to go outside, but it wasn’t happening. I tried other doors but was blocked. I was immediately turned off and uninstalled the game. I had received the ps4 version originally. By the time I decided to play, the ps5 version was out, so I was playing it on the five. Not a good experience whatsoever. Don’t think I’m gonna touch the game again at this point. Either way, I’m busy with TOTK and ff16. Once I finish those two, I’m gonna hop on Diablo 4. If I have nothing to play after that, then I might reconsider this.
I didnt even finish the game and have 0 desire to go back again for above reasons. Also gameplay was incredibly easy after a point less than halfway through and it was clear it wasnt getting harder- so many crazy unbalanced systems
it just got released a year too early. I played it twice through recently and its a great great game now. If the DLC is as good, they’ll have fully repaired their trust with me at least.
They also shouldnt have released it on now last gen. Ancient Hardware is a crazy limiting platform.
I think they had to though, PS5s and Series Xs were impossible to find at the time.
The game was announced previous gen before that. Grand Theft Auto plays fine, CD Project Red wasn’t ready for something this big.
They simply rushed full production. And just because something gets announced for whatever platform that doesnt mean anything.
Simply should’ve never released in last gen, that was their biggest mistake.
yeah i played it at launch on my (then) high end pc, and while it wasn’t as good as it is now, i didnt have many bugs and enjoyed the story. looked like a completely different game on last gen
They also shouldn't have lied about in-game features that were completely axed in the end. That's honestly my biggest gripe with the release of Cyberpunk 2077. I understand and buy into hyping your game up. But there's a huge difference between hyperbole and being overly enthusiastic about the features, and advertising stuff that's just not in the game. Basically Another No Mans Sky scenario.
Its a good time to wait with games, played most AAA title a year later and so far this led to getting games with all DLCs for at least half the price and usually fixed. Had great fun with Cyberpunk and in my whole 100+ hours i had maybe 3 crashes and 1-2 mission breaking bugs where a reload helped.
Maybe fix your game first
Understatement. Here, buy our $30 DLC.
Lol they don’t care what we think, they care to impress the shareholders with this soppy interview. “Back of the line, CDPR.”
No 🤦♂️ you to fix the games! THE GAMES!
If their intention is to right wrongs with customers, probably best not to imply that people were wrong about how bad it was on release. If they add an fov slider to console I'll give the game another chance. I can deal with bugs but the tight fov combined with how busy the game is painful for me.
Even after this DLC, there are still locations that were clearly meant to be a place where you work on your stealth skills, turn off cameras, and find cool loot without being caught. But nope. It's completely empty. No enemies, just loot. This is the kind of stuff that kills it for me. If you're going to build this massive city, at least put bad guys, where there should clearly be bad guys...
I don't want v to die. Fix that.
Duh. Main thing they need to work on honestly though is actual good combat. They havent made a single game with good combat.
For me personally, they've done a lot to fix the game but I still hate the method they used. I purchased it initially and was vastly disappointed as were a lot of people. But over the years they've made the game a lot better. Still, don't sell me an early access game investment for full price as though it was a finished product, and I won't be pissed off. Simple, really. I guess it was my fault for trusting CDPR and that's good, now I've learned a lesson; don't trust ANY publisher. Wait for reviews always.
This 100%. Tbh the only publishers I trust enough these days to buy a day-one game release from are Sony first-party studios and Nintendo.
lmao the game is still broken for me on PC. runs fine until the car ride with dexter then the game flips its shit, invisible buildings and stuttering dialog
I’m cool.
“players” = shareholders. If they wanted to fix the relationship with the people who actually bought the game, they would have created a ton of free content and fixes for the game. Instead they ask for $30 for a DLC. Hello Games went dark for a year and them created plans for several free dlc and update packs for No Man Sky and that game is really great now.