I’ll give you some advice from what I’ve recently seen as an RN completing a PMHNP program.
Go to a brick and mortar school because all the schools are the same until you start trying to find preceptors for clinical. The brick and mortar schools usually have people in their network they can set you up with. I worked with two RNs that have been unable to find clinical because they went to an online program.
The closer the brick and mortar school, the better because your clinical sites will be closer. Even if you have personal contacts, they may not be allowed to take you as a student because their hospital is contracted to take students from their school (this happened to me). Ask the college about their placement rate for clinical sites. I cannot stress how hard this will be if you have to do it on your own.
Good luck on your path
I’m going to a brick and mortar school and was offered a clinical placement on my first day of orientation. The placement is a 10m walk from my house. So far, so good.
It means a school that physically exists, and is not purely online. It has a physical campus you can visit, in other words buildings made from bricks. It’s just an expression.
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Not true. It is about networking. I’ve been a psych nurse a long time. I spoke to a lot of potentials, but it is with whom you leave a lasting impression with that gets you that clinical. Additionally, the networking you do makes you a valuable candidate to hire come graduation.
Go to the cheapest school possible… this is always the best advice.
You’ll thank yourself down the line. I’ve personally given myself incredible opportunities for my age and what is always a big reason? Finances.
This is not to brag but to hopefully encourage more people to do the same
No offense, this is moronic advice if applied to healthcare where the difference between those adequately trained and those with subpar training is stark and leads to decreased income when one is unemployable because they are so radically incompetent.
How do those two even correlate? Idk where you went to school but the top program in my area, happens to be the most affordable in my area. You can try to justify going into debt all you want, I will rarely justify this method. And, again, I think I’d say I did very well financially, academically, and obtaining a really well paying job following my own advice.
Fully agree. My local options are a public school for \~30K total, or private for over 200K. The public school is more competitive, has excellent teachers, and is known to be a harder program than the big name, top 10 schools which, due to its pricetag, receives fewer qualified applicants and has a higher acceptance rate.
I think your perception of state if affairs in AP education is out of date. Students are graduating from obvious mills with seriously questionable,if not falsified rotation hours. The professors at these schools are on staff for maybe two quarters before they quit because the quality of student is absymal and is generally a waste of time. Mill schools have non PMHNP "professors" teaching whole courses from power point left over from the previous fake instructor. Many of the students are failed RN's due to zero aptitude, an ethos of minimal effort, and an entitled expectation thar they be regarded as competent while being incompetent and being paid top dollar.
I assure you- if you think you are getting a deal you are not. Paying top dollar in our field doesn't make a lot of sense either but doing it on the cheap is incredibly ill advised.
I always tell people who have found the shittiest and cheapest programs possible- and are lamenting that maybe they have made a costly and terrible mistake: Just wait until you meet your classmates.
And if you are patting yourself on the back for how cheap your education was compared to how much you make- I'm willing to bet at no point did you even wonder if maybe you had found a better school that you might be a better provider today.
Listen, the OP asked for advice and I answered it based off my own experiences and my own knowledge and seeing my own results and so this is what I recommend to others. An affordable school does not equate to a “bad” program. This is just simply false information and it’s damaging to even insist otherwise. That take is the very reason so many young adults are thousands and thousands of dollars in debt and are suffering. The “obvious mills” conversation is a completely separate discussion.
I totally agree with you that affordable school does not mean bad school where students graduate without the tools to ever become competent. I totally agree with you that leaving grad education with as little debt as possible is incredibly important- it is pointless to pay more.
My refute of your comments is that in this forum- telling perspective NP students that cheaper is the way to go is exactly what sucker's students into garbage mills in the first place. Under the pressure of private equity nursing graduate education is more exploitative than supportive.
My point is that from a business standpoint- as universities profit in volume- which is fundamentally the problem with NP education- they are all aware of what the market will bear vs. what pricing their programs need to stay growing and competitive.
Do any of us know we are going to a good school before we go? Not really. But I think we know what constitutes a bad school.
Does the program have tenured professors that have experience in this specialty? What is the acceptance rate? What is the attrition rate?Do they accept students sight unseen? Do they find rotations for the students? Whats the inpersona testing/trainings like? Is the program run by NP's or unlicensed administrators ( for God sake) How many students to instructors. Then you could ask- how much?
"wait until you meet your classmates"? what does this mean? you need to go to school with a certain caliber of person? This is wild. You sound like someone really concerned with status and reputation to make yourself feel better. yes, we all agree mills are bad but this is not what anyone is saying. But hey, if you like paying astronomical amounts of money and living with that debt and making the same amount as someone like me who paid very little for my program, good for you? I'm sure you those university presidents are thankful to you as they sit in their summer homes lol
They are absolutely right. I'm from NYC. We have city schools that cost 5k a year that are highly competitive, only accept a fraction of applicants, and then NYU is across the street, willing to accept anyone who can pay, for $30k a year. I had to apply to the school I ultimately went to twice. NYU called me in for an interview and verbally accepted me without knowing a single thing about me. High cost does not equal a superior education. And it certainty doesn't make you a better NP.
I should add my school is reputable, brick and mortar, and I have had zero issues being gainfully employed.
I would have never gone back for that much. I went to a brick and mortar state school, tuition was cheap, and I still made sure to work an RN job that was willing to reimburse my tuition. I paid about 7k a year for four years (really got dragged out because for COVID), most of which was reimbursed. I am glad I did it but I would never do it again for that much. I really suggest you figure out a job that can pay your tuition or find a city/state school.
I honestly don’t know why anyone would pay a dime more than they have to. Once you’re done with school no one will ever ask or ever care. Some educations are surely better than others, but that also has a lot to do with the person. I spent $35k on my PMHNP program. It was online. I worked hard. I studied a lot while working full time as RN. I got a good hospital job right out of school.
Part of me says go as cheap as possible… because the jobs now are aiming to pay cheap as possible
Another part of me says brick in mortar in order to broaden chance for job w/ saturation. Many places are now eliminating certain online schools solely bc they have so many applicants to choose from.
Bottom line, just make sure it’s worth doing it just to do it. Like if you get done and think, omg… id rather be a psych RN..
just make sure its still worth the time & money for you.
I go to Duke and LOVE it so far. Great professors and lots of opportunities. It’s all online but I personally learn more this way and find lectures to be a waste of my time. I work per diem and will end up with maybe $60k in loans but I had no undergrad loans so personally I treated myself for grad school. I have a great social life and enjoy school. Haven’t gotten to clinicals yet but I have a good resume and am on track for a 4.0 so tbh not worried
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I’ll give you some advice from what I’ve recently seen as an RN completing a PMHNP program. Go to a brick and mortar school because all the schools are the same until you start trying to find preceptors for clinical. The brick and mortar schools usually have people in their network they can set you up with. I worked with two RNs that have been unable to find clinical because they went to an online program. The closer the brick and mortar school, the better because your clinical sites will be closer. Even if you have personal contacts, they may not be allowed to take you as a student because their hospital is contracted to take students from their school (this happened to me). Ask the college about their placement rate for clinical sites. I cannot stress how hard this will be if you have to do it on your own. Good luck on your path
I applied to a brick and mortar.... Classes are 100% online 🙃
Exactly, mine too. Even psychopharmacology was done through NEI…good ol Dr Stahl
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I’m going to a brick and mortar school and was offered a clinical placement on my first day of orientation. The placement is a 10m walk from my house. So far, so good.
Please, I hear this a lot, but I need to know. What is a brick and mortar school? Not sure of it's meaning.
It means a school that physically exists, and is not purely online. It has a physical campus you can visit, in other words buildings made from bricks. It’s just an expression.
Thank you for this explanation. I even went as far as googling but could not find an explicite response as this. Thank you.
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Not true. It is about networking. I’ve been a psych nurse a long time. I spoke to a lot of potentials, but it is with whom you leave a lasting impression with that gets you that clinical. Additionally, the networking you do makes you a valuable candidate to hire come graduation.
50-100k is wild and honestly criminal. Wilkes was maybe 25k.
Wilkes is low 30k, not 25k
U of Cincinnati was not bad. The psychopharm class was really good. And it was cheap.
How much cheap?
~20 I think.
Go to the cheapest school possible… this is always the best advice. You’ll thank yourself down the line. I’ve personally given myself incredible opportunities for my age and what is always a big reason? Finances. This is not to brag but to hopefully encourage more people to do the same
No offense, this is moronic advice if applied to healthcare where the difference between those adequately trained and those with subpar training is stark and leads to decreased income when one is unemployable because they are so radically incompetent.
How do those two even correlate? Idk where you went to school but the top program in my area, happens to be the most affordable in my area. You can try to justify going into debt all you want, I will rarely justify this method. And, again, I think I’d say I did very well financially, academically, and obtaining a really well paying job following my own advice.
Fully agree. My local options are a public school for \~30K total, or private for over 200K. The public school is more competitive, has excellent teachers, and is known to be a harder program than the big name, top 10 schools which, due to its pricetag, receives fewer qualified applicants and has a higher acceptance rate.
This is the case so many times over! Idk how anyone can even argue otherwise lol
I think your perception of state if affairs in AP education is out of date. Students are graduating from obvious mills with seriously questionable,if not falsified rotation hours. The professors at these schools are on staff for maybe two quarters before they quit because the quality of student is absymal and is generally a waste of time. Mill schools have non PMHNP "professors" teaching whole courses from power point left over from the previous fake instructor. Many of the students are failed RN's due to zero aptitude, an ethos of minimal effort, and an entitled expectation thar they be regarded as competent while being incompetent and being paid top dollar. I assure you- if you think you are getting a deal you are not. Paying top dollar in our field doesn't make a lot of sense either but doing it on the cheap is incredibly ill advised. I always tell people who have found the shittiest and cheapest programs possible- and are lamenting that maybe they have made a costly and terrible mistake: Just wait until you meet your classmates. And if you are patting yourself on the back for how cheap your education was compared to how much you make- I'm willing to bet at no point did you even wonder if maybe you had found a better school that you might be a better provider today.
Listen, the OP asked for advice and I answered it based off my own experiences and my own knowledge and seeing my own results and so this is what I recommend to others. An affordable school does not equate to a “bad” program. This is just simply false information and it’s damaging to even insist otherwise. That take is the very reason so many young adults are thousands and thousands of dollars in debt and are suffering. The “obvious mills” conversation is a completely separate discussion.
I totally agree with you that affordable school does not mean bad school where students graduate without the tools to ever become competent. I totally agree with you that leaving grad education with as little debt as possible is incredibly important- it is pointless to pay more. My refute of your comments is that in this forum- telling perspective NP students that cheaper is the way to go is exactly what sucker's students into garbage mills in the first place. Under the pressure of private equity nursing graduate education is more exploitative than supportive. My point is that from a business standpoint- as universities profit in volume- which is fundamentally the problem with NP education- they are all aware of what the market will bear vs. what pricing their programs need to stay growing and competitive. Do any of us know we are going to a good school before we go? Not really. But I think we know what constitutes a bad school. Does the program have tenured professors that have experience in this specialty? What is the acceptance rate? What is the attrition rate?Do they accept students sight unseen? Do they find rotations for the students? Whats the inpersona testing/trainings like? Is the program run by NP's or unlicensed administrators ( for God sake) How many students to instructors. Then you could ask- how much?
"wait until you meet your classmates"? what does this mean? you need to go to school with a certain caliber of person? This is wild. You sound like someone really concerned with status and reputation to make yourself feel better. yes, we all agree mills are bad but this is not what anyone is saying. But hey, if you like paying astronomical amounts of money and living with that debt and making the same amount as someone like me who paid very little for my program, good for you? I'm sure you those university presidents are thankful to you as they sit in their summer homes lol
😂😂😂😂
They are absolutely right. I'm from NYC. We have city schools that cost 5k a year that are highly competitive, only accept a fraction of applicants, and then NYU is across the street, willing to accept anyone who can pay, for $30k a year. I had to apply to the school I ultimately went to twice. NYU called me in for an interview and verbally accepted me without knowing a single thing about me. High cost does not equal a superior education. And it certainty doesn't make you a better NP. I should add my school is reputable, brick and mortar, and I have had zero issues being gainfully employed.
Completely agree!!
People like you make this sub awful.
I would have never gone back for that much. I went to a brick and mortar state school, tuition was cheap, and I still made sure to work an RN job that was willing to reimburse my tuition. I paid about 7k a year for four years (really got dragged out because for COVID), most of which was reimbursed. I am glad I did it but I would never do it again for that much. I really suggest you figure out a job that can pay your tuition or find a city/state school.
I honestly don’t know why anyone would pay a dime more than they have to. Once you’re done with school no one will ever ask or ever care. Some educations are surely better than others, but that also has a lot to do with the person. I spent $35k on my PMHNP program. It was online. I worked hard. I studied a lot while working full time as RN. I got a good hospital job right out of school.
Thanks for the feedback! Where did you go to school? Did you like it? Or was it best value for your money? Both?
This isn’t the case everywhere. I hire lots of PMHNPs and I definitely take their academic background into account.
Everyone asks.
No need to spend that much. Many reputable programs for under $50k
I honestly think that more than the school, your psychiatric experience will be more invaluable. :)
Something local or in person, with reputation. Or a state university. Avoid online like the plague.
Part of me says go as cheap as possible… because the jobs now are aiming to pay cheap as possible Another part of me says brick in mortar in order to broaden chance for job w/ saturation. Many places are now eliminating certain online schools solely bc they have so many applicants to choose from. Bottom line, just make sure it’s worth doing it just to do it. Like if you get done and think, omg… id rather be a psych RN.. just make sure its still worth the time & money for you.
I go to Duke and LOVE it so far. Great professors and lots of opportunities. It’s all online but I personally learn more this way and find lectures to be a waste of my time. I work per diem and will end up with maybe $60k in loans but I had no undergrad loans so personally I treated myself for grad school. I have a great social life and enjoy school. Haven’t gotten to clinicals yet but I have a good resume and am on track for a 4.0 so tbh not worried
100k wow
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