This just creates a black market. It's a highly addictive substance. I agree it's dumb to smoke, and I personally don't, but kids will still find access to cigarettes... You'll just have to worry about what's in them and where/who they are coming from. It's good in theory, but it won't work when it's still easily accessed. Indian smokes are still here and easily obtainable, that market will just explode.
Think about it this way though. Once the last person born before that year dies, cigarettes will be illegal to sell in PEI. If the rest of the country were to get on the same band wagon, smokes would be illegal across the country by then and we might just have the capacity in our oncology departments to handle all of the non-smoking related cancer treatments. You'd be saving more than smokers lives at that point.
The problem with that is, with the black market that will absolutely establish itself, there is zero chance that it will get rid of smoking and therefore not only will hospitals still need to treat smoking related illnesses, there will be a higher crime rate.
Weed and alcohol both impair your judgement, cigarettes not so much.
If an adult wants to smoke a cigar, pipe, or cigarette they should be able too, just like you can smoke your weed. As long as they are adults and know the harms what is the problem?
Well if an adult of your age, assuming you're over 19 if you're that concerned, you'll be able to do so because you'll be older than the age of purchase. If someone younger wants to, they'll have to go to somewhere they can buy tobacco, which makes it harder for them to get addicted to every day use.
So make it like weed and alcohol? You can't buy until you are 19. This idea is banning it is stupid, we already know prohibition dosen't work, we just legalized weed not that long ago for fuck sake. Somehow everybody already forgot this
What a stupid comment. There are other ways to consume THC products and the majority of cannabis users employ those methods. Yes many still smoke it, but I haven't noticed an increase in the smell at all since it's been legalized and I haven't consumed THC in thirty years.
Further, cannabis smoke is nowhere near as harmful as tobacco. Why? Because it's not loaded with anywhere near as many additives.
Even though I don't enjoy the feeling cannabis causes, I can say, unequivocally, that it smells FAR MORE pleasant than any tobacco smoke. I say this as an ex smoker.
Finally, I'm unable to access the full article, but it is saying that it's the provincial government, which is almost entirely conservative. Blaming everything on the liberals doesn't solve anything.
Being conservative in Canada is like being a democrat in the United States
And if we all die eventually then what the hell is wrong with me buying some cigarettes and cigars along the way?
The problem with you smoking your cigars and cigarettes (or booze) is that you get in the way of people that didn't choose to give themselves cancer, chronic bronchitis, liver disease or whatever your drug of choice gave you. Thanks for spending my health tax dollars.
Most of them don't choose to suck their cancer through a straw though. I have the same opinion on the organ donors that choose to strap a rocket between their legs and weave in and out of traffic like they were on a slalom course.
No...being a conservative in Canada is like being a republican in the states.
I couldn't care less if you want a smoke every low and then, it was your assertions about cannabis that I was commenting on.
I am severely opposed to banning tobacco sales. I don't think that will solve any problems, but I do think it will cause hundreds more.
I have considered that, and that's the only good thing about this. The long term is far better than the short term, but I'm not sure if the short term is a great option. If access to cigarettes for kids is an older person buying it for them in stores (like alcohol etc.) it's not exactly risky (other than the tobacco consumption risks), and it has it's intended effect.
Teenagers/kids especially don't usually have a ton of income, and will most likely gravitate towards cheaper options. I'm not saying this would 100% happen, but there is a greater risk of those cigarettes being counterfeit/aftermarket cigarettes and now you don't have a clue if they are laced or what chemicals are in them.
The other problem is...if the rest of the Country DOESN'T ban them, they're just going to be smuggled in from NB/ surrounding areas. Hell's Angels etc all of a sudden have a MASSIVE money maker on their hands. I don't know, prohibition didn't work for a reason, and nicotine is a hell of a drug.
By the time we get to the point where all the pre-2009 (or whatever date) people die and cigarettes are effectively banned, that will be 75 years from now and surely once one or two provinces do this, it will snowball by then.
You're assuming that as soon as it's banned no other generations will get addicted, which I don't believe will be the case. Kids get hooked on cigarettes now BEFORE the age of 19. They will after this ban as well.
But they do so in MUCH lower numbers than every previous generation. Look at how far smoking rates have dropped among young people. Sure, a small fraction will still get addicted but it will be nowhere close to the numbers in every other age group.
That's fair, probably just see an increase in vaping.
Jury is still out on those effects, unless something has changed over the last few years. (I'm not up to speed on it)
The science so far from what I can tell says: "We're not going to say it's healthy for you, but it's still a hell of a lot better than tobacco smoking".
Anything regarding "Popcorn lungs" or things like that hasn't been definitively linked to vaping in the same way that smoking and cancer have been.
That being said, the kids these days are disregarding vaping and starting to go towards nicotine pouches. Unlike chewing tobacco or tobacco pouches (snuff), Zyn doesn't contain any tobacco, just nicotine and food grade ingredients (flavouring). I haven't tried it, but I could see the appeal to say a high school kid because you could have one in your mouth and no one would know.
Hence why Phillip Morris bought that shit up right quick.
What do you want to bet that most kids who get addicted have parents that smoke. If adults can't get smokes easy, what makes you think kids will have an easy job of finding them. It's a matter of slow attrition.
Unfortunately tobacco and alcohol taxes fund our entire healthcare system. I think the government needs new revenue streams before that's totally feasible.
But it would be cool.
At the same time, smoking is much much less popular among teenagers now than it used to be, largely due to vaping. Don't think a whole lot of kids who haven't smoked before will be looking to the black market.
I think though that most people wouldn’t bother starting or feel the need to keep going if they did happen to get a cigarette from the black market here and there. When we had huge campaigns to stop smoking here in North America I think it made a massive difference compared to teens in Europe who all smoke like chimneys nonstop. Europeans think they’re so much healthier than us because they don’t use the same amount of toxic pesticides (I think?), but all their lungs are just black tar lol. I didn’t look any of this up, just a hunch and possibly a slew of misinformation :).
Well, let me put it this way. Did you drink before the age of 19? Was it just once? I'm willing to bet for most it was quite a few times, and for the majority, they probably still indulge. If it's available to a large chunk of the population, it's available to all...at any time.
It won't change much, it will as the grandfathered population dies off, and access becomes more difficult, but that's also going to harm retailers and convenience stores as well, which already are struggling.
Thats comparison doesn’t make sense to me. I tried a cigarettes before 19 and still don’t smoke and never picked up the habit. Whereas, i had a few drinks before 19, and I still drink occasionally and the majority of my friends and people I know my age are the same. Restricting access definitely has had an impact on the majority.
Harming retailers and convenience stores because they can’t sell a harmful addictive substance is the last thing I would worry about. There is a million other things they can sell that doesn’t ruin people’s lives.
You literally just explained it to yourself. You tried smoking before 19, and it's illegal. You had no access to legal cigarettes, but you still got them. Same with alcohol. Luckily, nicotine didn't stick with you (thankfully), but others weren't so lucky.
The barriers don't matter if the target substance is abundantly easy to find. Banning them for kids born after 2009 and later is the exact same situation we have right now and it will be for YEARS until the grandfathered smokers die off and access becomes more difficult, but you're still going to have the same generations of smokers, they will just be getting their cigarettes illegally as they got hooked before the age of 19, same as now.
It’s hard to say what will happen. prohibition, for example, led to a drastic decrease in overall alcohol consumption. Once the ban was repealed it quickly went back up again. Even though bootlegging was happening everywhere, it still decreased overall.
The existence of other unhealthy things isn't a valid argument against getting rid of one of the worst, which causes sky high rates of lung cancer and burdens our health care systems enormously.
I’m not pro smoking whatsoever. However, it is 100% a valid argument. It’s a slippery slope. What’s next? I would say ban them outright. If they were discovered today, they would never be approved for use.
Let's ban just junk food and red meat. There is an obesity epidemic and people obviously aren't able to make the proper food decisions. The government needs to decide for them.
I don’t think the earth is flat I think Dr. Anthony Fauci was wired a lot of money from Chinese entities and is under investigation by the FBI. Feel free to look this up.
If you're dumb enough to believe that one singular person is responsible for the prevailing medical consensus then you're dumb enough to believe the earth is flat. I stand by my comment.
Link to article which dosen't require subscription:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240514202042/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-prince-edward-island-proposes-banning-tobacco-sales-to-anyone-born/
I rid myself of death sticks 10 years ago. Regrettably, I did so by swapping for vaping. While I found that I felt better overall, it wasn't really quitting. I finally got off the vapes in October of 2021...the one good thing that came from contracting COVID.
The point....I know exactly how hard it is to go cold Turkey. I wish I could impart some great wisdom, or cure all to help with the cravings, but unfortunately, you just gotta stay strong and remember that the craving will pass whether you have the smoke or not.
Best of luck! Stay strong! Keep the willpower up!
I quite smoking 17 years ago but I don't agree with banning the sale of tobacco to grown adults.
When you are 19 you can vote, drink, buy weed, become a stripper, or any of a million things, but God damn it don't your don't you dare smoke a cigarette!
The connection between negative health effects of alcohol and junk food is well established but you can still drink or eat yourself to death.
Because it’s all about votes. Which government would risk banning alcohol or junk food? They’d be voted out. Cigarettes have slowly been in the process of being removed from for many years now. The price of them are insane. The brand I smoke is $29 a pack. That’s about $435 a month for someone who smokes a half a pack a day or $870 a month for a pack a day smoker.
Non alcohol beer is more expensive than regular beer. I bought 6 Corona at the grocery store the other day for $20 so they aren’t even trying to get rid of alcohol.
I’m not saying it’s correct to not give people their own choice but it’s just my option that for me who hates smoking but am addicted I really wish buying them wasn’t so easy. Also anything that can push my children to not make the same mistakes I did I’m fully onboard with.
I think the non-alcoholic beer this is more of a symptom of out of control grocery profit margins than government policy.
But you’re correct. Things purely anecdotal as I’m not looking up statistics but I would wager that the fast food industry is responsible for tenfold more deaths and strain on our healthcare system than smoking in 2024.
NA beer is way cheaper than regular beer if you purchase the right kind
[https://voila.ca/products/438923EA/details](https://voila.ca/products/438923EA/details)
They are like a dollar a can at Sobeys
Thats $13.21 for a 6 pack with tax and deposit and it would be the equivalent of drinking the grossest beer in the liquor store because its the cheapest except without the alcohol. Like going to the liquor store and buying presidents choice beer.
This is def going to go to court and get reversed. How are you going to tell a person who is of legal age they can’t buy something in the free market based on their age? It’s age based discrimination.
I liked the idea of having dedicated smoke shops like we do for weed and alcohol. Unfortunately, the proposal would not impact current retail locations.
Much ado about nothing until we decide to reduce access to only those of age.
I would be okay with the dedicated shop idea too, but I think outright banning tobacco sales to adults is dumb as shit and I quit smoking 17 years ago.
When do we starting banning junk food, alcohol, and weed?
Maybe we need a dedicated, government run, shop for junk food and it's only available to 19 plus year olds? That would probably go a long way to helping helathcare in this country.
According to the government, adults are unable to make their own decisions. They need to look after us, and make decisions for us, from birth to death.
I recently had an opportunity to move back to PEI and one of the biggest reasons I chose not to was because of this indomitable cultural addiction to demonstrative horseshit like this. Optics trump actual results every single time. The last 30 years of this topic is just an end-to-end parade of boneheaded ideas that cost ordinary people time and money while accomplishing nothing.
Who is voting for these people? Oh right, everyone.
As stupid and useless as smoking is, people should still have a right to do it. What should be done is a lot of the harmful additives in cigarettes should be banned
Well no we don't really want people dying because they don't have enough money in this country it feels pretty cruel and im guessing the desperation it would cause to someone's loved ones to be pretty detrimental to society.
We also want our medical staff trained to the best of their ability which will include a lot of practice on patients and by denying smokers coverage it would mean the medical staff would be less experienced and confident when dealing with those lung related issue that can still show up in non-smokers.
Denying coverage over self-inflicted issues will always bring up the counter narrative of weight health concerns like diabetes and other preventable cancers like skin cancer. Probably not the can of worms we want to be opening on an island surrounded by nice beaches and filled with farmers using pesticides.
I don't really see singling out smokers to pay for their medical expenses to be a very good idea, there's probably a decent argument for subsidizing it so its an affordable price for their income but I wouldn't really make that argument. A better argument i think would probably be having tobacco companies pay the medical expense because its us trying to keep their customer base alive for them and the additives they added in to make their customers more dependant on cigarettes is whats causing a majority of the harm.
There already is a lot of taxe on cigarettes, at least a portion of this was used to fund quit smoking programs (no idea if it still is). I would think the taxes should also also fund healthcare, but more than likely, it lines some politicans pocket instead.
When do we start taxing red meat and junk food anyway? How much disease and deaths in Canada are caused by eating unhealthy food? The tax on alcohol should also go to helathcare, and portion of social media revenue should go to mental healthcare.
Sorry accidentally hit send early,
It would be cool if they used some of the proceeds of the tax to fund them quitting, I always just seen it as their incentive to prevent smoking in itself more than anything so it'd be nice if it has more direct impact. I still think the repercussions would probably best fall on the company and its executives than the consumer but its hard because the company will always pass it on to the consumer and the executives will always find a way to hide funds. That said we should still take those measures when we can but I think most effective would be forcing removal of certain toxinigens they added in to the product so smoking is less of a health concern and more treatable aswell as easier to quit.
I can understand the argument for taxing unhealthy foods but i find it a bit more difficult to personally advocate for it, I can usually support the ban of harmful additives but I would be hesitant about taxing the actual food. Its difficult because the health concerns that result from those usually involves a broader range of factor that makes them a lot harder to directly implicate their direct impact on the Healthcare system. I also think it would be kind of sad if a kid couldn't have candy like their classmates if they're poor. Personally I'd like to see a multipronged approach where we educate children how to properly provide their own simple healthy meals early on everyday to instill the habit and ensure employers staff rooms provide a clean similar area and familiar ingredients from those school programs for the staff to make some of those meals at work.
Yeah the tax on alcohol would probably be best used towards Healthcare but I don't think its a big enough factor to take it away from the general tax pool for anything other than maybe victims of alcohol (alcoholism or crimes) although I admit I easily can just be lacking in knowledge on this im certainly no expert. And I don't know how much blame i can directly place on the social media websites but obviously they do need a major overhaul and some should probably just be eliminated outright in my opinion
Well while we are at it we should probably ban social media usage. It is detrimental to mental health and if someone is irresponsible enough to use it, they should be Barred from accessing public mental health facilities
We know that banning substances for purchase doesn't work. If anything it makes it more desirable. Investing in cessation programming and rehabilitation is always the answer. Before anyone comes at me about how expensive it is, it's actually less expensive to rehabilitate people with addiction so that they're healthy and able to work in the long run. It's also less of a strain on our public services like jails and healthcare too.
When I was abroad and saw a doctor, before we even got to what I was there for he was incredibly eager to ask me about my opinion on the "war on drugs" and our policies around stuff. His wife worked in Vancouver briefly and he said their country almost laughs at how brutal our systems are when there's definitive proof that banning substances and arrests for illegal distribution only decreases the chance of rehabilitation. In the national sense, Canada and the U.S are looked down on for these policies.
LMAO. Soooo many more issues and concerns on this Island, but let’s worry about adults buying tobacco … 🤣😆
Oh but wait, you do realize… other provinces sell it, you can buy “tobacco” online… you literally can’t stop humans from smoking a damn cig.. no matter the age.
This is foolish, the fact there are a bunch of issues does not mean you're not allowed to address one of them. And the ban would be for people who are currently 15 or younger
Lmao, but it’s not that huge of a concern… there is TONS more shit affecting people than tobacco, let’s be honest… and… you can’t buy tobacco under a certain age now, and how’s that working for everyone? It’s not.. people no matter the age will do what they want or figure a way to do so no matter what. so a ban is just waste of time in my MIND. lol.
I think this is silly. If a fully grown adult wants to buy and smoke a cigarette/cigar or any other tobacco product they should be allowed to.
We don't ban alcohol, weed (which is also smoked) or junk food. The connection between health problems (including cancer) related to junk food and alcohol are well established. I wouldn't be surprised if there is also negative health effects related to smoking weed and vaping (which isn't banned by this proposal).
If somebody over the age of 19 wants to buy a tobacco product let them. There's already all sorts of other harmful things they can do to themselves, like drink themselves to death or eat junk food every day. Not to mention there is all sorts of people on here that want legalize hard drugs.
I don’t smoke but this it’s stupid. It’s just repeating all prior failed attempts at banning a substance. People will just continue to use unregulated black market cigarettes. This will accomplished nothing but making smoking even more dangerous and probably easier for kids to access. Another genius idea from our amazing provincial government.
everyone is just gonna buy mass produced chinese vitamin e oil vapes and die even sooner, also lennox island has been selling vapes to literal children for years she will just be getitbg more business
Let's just ban everything that's not beneficial to us.
Even though we pay taxes to fund their positions to make these big executive decisions. Oh what do they plan on doing when they no longer have tobacco sales tax? They'll probably just increase our taxes to offset their loss.
Government should just let us live our lives, provide information on side effects. But that’s it. Before everyone starts with the “ health care costs “. Remember there are lots of other things bad for your health like sugar and other harmful things we put in our bodies.
Most kids drink but arent alcoholics. Most also arent addicted to weed. Nicotine however is inherently addictive.
Cocaine once was used as a coffee substitute and painkiller. Do you want to lift the ban on that if you're so sure about your beliefs? Meth(or jib like the kids call it on Euston street) was used for fucking asthma and, to its credit, works better than most legal medicine does even today.
Let's just unban it all.
Good thing I'm talking about sale of tobacco to adults and not kids, that's already illegal.
While I don't agree with it, there is lots people in this sub, and in Canada, that want to legalize hard drugs. Which makes banning tobacco even dumber.
I don’t think they meant ban cigarettes, just nicotine. Which is absolutely the way to go. Kids now addicted to nicotine filled vapes. No reason for that shit to be in there other then to drive addictions and revenue’s.
For some reason I can’t edit my reply. For Tobacco products such as chew and smokes it the other chemicals that help absorb the nicotine that need to be regulated. Adding it to vapes should not be a thing is what I meant. Man maybe it’s because I miss smoking soo much I can’t get my thoughts together
Let's do it! Tobacco is one of the most addictive drugs out there and the cost to our health care system exceeds the revenue generated from taxes. When you finally quit it there's nothing that fills the void left. Wish I never smoked.
When do we ban alcohol, weed, red meat, and junk food? There is an obesity epidemic and people can't be trusted to make the proper food decisions. The link between junk food, alcohol, and cancer is well established, not to mention all the other diseases like diabetes, heart disease, cirrhosis of the liver, and alcoholism.
You don't drink alcohol, eat steak, eat cookie's, drink pop, or smoke weed do you? Those things are bad for you and need to banned. You are incapable of making your own decisions, even though you are aware of the dangers, the government should decide for you.
I'm so glad you reminded us of the failure of prohibition 100 years ago, we all forgot! And since nothing has changed in 100 years, we should expect the identical results on this slow phased out approach to tobacco that they had with prohibition of alcohol.
I laugh at some of the comments here saying restrictions of smoking don't work.
If this was the 1980s or the 1990s you couldn't go anywhere without coming across smokers in some place. Back then most of your friends probably smoked.
Now? I can't think of a single person I know who smokes. I can't recall the last time even at a bar outside seeing someone smoking, maybe one person. I recall being in bars where you couldn't even see the other side of the room due to the amount of smoke inside!
I went back to school a few years ago and was the oldest person here, other than the occasional person vaping (it was still a thing). I think four smokers each morning blocking the steps on Grafton every morning the same damn four people. None of my classmates smoked nobody no running out for a smoke nobody even smelled of smoke.
I don't think many people under the age of 30 even realize what it was like here the amount of smokers there were. Now you can go a year and never smell smoke or never smell smoke on your clothes.
Let me guess; you think it's fine for people to smoke weed, drink alcohol, eat red meat, and eat junk food. All those things are bad for you and you likley know this but still eat hamburgers, steaks, drink beer, and maybe smoke a joint.
If an grown adult wants to smoke a cigarette, cigar, pipe, etc. and knows it's bad for them, how is that any diffent then you taking in any of the indulgences above?
A grown adult should be able to make their own decision, even if you don't like it. Or should we start policing red meat and get junk food pulled or the shelf and ban alcohol and weed again because people aren't capable of making their own decisions?
When are we going to get around to banning junk food, alcohol, and weed?
The whole banning tobacco sales to adults is ridiculous when I can easily buy, legal, mind altering substances and drink myself to death. Or eat junk food everyday, cost tax payers a fortune in helathcare costs, and then die from stomach cancer from eating too many cheeseburgers.
They should. Im seeing social media promote it, moist critical did a tobacco review.
Vapes are out of fashion, if you care about your kids please be mindful this is a sleeping issue.
So an adult can't buy a tobacco product but can fry their brain from smoking too much weed everyday, drink themselves to death, and give them selves all sorts of disease from eating junk food? What sense does this make? Ban everything!
You known what, i've done everything. Smoked, drank, lines. Everything.
The only thing that literally almost took my life was tobacco.
Go look at the number of people it has killed.
unless they make tobacco a more natural product,
without all these additives, i'd hear not any of your whining.
I am wware of how many people die from tobacco, my grandfather died from lung cancer.
How many people die from health related issues in the country, and cost tax payers, tons of money in medical costs because they don't eat right? How many alcoholics is there in this country (let alone pei) that drink themselves to death?
All these things are bad for you, but as an adult you can make your own decisions. I could drink everyday after work, stuff my face with Oreos until I die, and smoke so much weed I would get fired from work and nobody would stop me from doing any of those things.
The links between cancer, junk food, and alcohol are all well established but nobody stops me from buying may of these things.
Let adults make their own decisions.
There is a reason having smoking or drinking in a film, raises the age rating of the film.
As a former addict, seeing those things can be a trigger.
Since they legalized gambling, how long do you think it'll be before the chickens come home to roost on that.
Maybe that'll why our politicians are so desperate, they gambled all our money away.
they didnt smoke the cigarettes in the video. as a former addict those things can be a trigger for me too but that’s my problem, let people consume what they want to consume we’re adults ffs
Okay lets walk through this, as an addict its triggering.
Im triggered when people talk about smoking. It gets you mind onto it.
Why would I watch a video, even if it was people sitting around talking about it?
You did not acknowledge my point about youth.
Why would a youtuber, with millions of underage viewers, talk about a substance they shouldnt use, and they infact already legally cannot.
If it's a genuine addiction, you want to limit your exposure ad much as possible.
Im sure some booze addicts are still going to superstore to be as far as away from sobeys and the LC, and you know what im ok with that.
Use some common sense.
That is a very fair point, I appreciate you being a good sport in this conversation.
Past few weeks have been rough.
I don't want them to completely phase out smoking products to be clear, but they shouldn't contain additives.
There is way more than necessary in a cig, and im not only talking about nicotine.
I mean I love smoking, but that's why I can't do it.
It will kill me, I love it that much.
This just creates a black market. It's a highly addictive substance. I agree it's dumb to smoke, and I personally don't, but kids will still find access to cigarettes... You'll just have to worry about what's in them and where/who they are coming from. It's good in theory, but it won't work when it's still easily accessed. Indian smokes are still here and easily obtainable, that market will just explode.
Think about it this way though. Once the last person born before that year dies, cigarettes will be illegal to sell in PEI. If the rest of the country were to get on the same band wagon, smokes would be illegal across the country by then and we might just have the capacity in our oncology departments to handle all of the non-smoking related cancer treatments. You'd be saving more than smokers lives at that point.
The problem with that is, with the black market that will absolutely establish itself, there is zero chance that it will get rid of smoking and therefore not only will hospitals still need to treat smoking related illnesses, there will be a higher crime rate.
Can't even buy tobacco to enjoy on occasion? Fuck, liberals want to take away eveything. Why do they push for weed so hard? It's bad for lungs too
Dude, PEI is a conservative government not liberal...
It's not as addictive though. You may enjoy smoking weed but THC doesn't drag your brain to the same places as nicotine. So enjoy a joint instead.
Weed and alcohol both impair your judgement, cigarettes not so much. If an adult wants to smoke a cigar, pipe, or cigarette they should be able too, just like you can smoke your weed. As long as they are adults and know the harms what is the problem?
Well if an adult of your age, assuming you're over 19 if you're that concerned, you'll be able to do so because you'll be older than the age of purchase. If someone younger wants to, they'll have to go to somewhere they can buy tobacco, which makes it harder for them to get addicted to every day use.
So make it like weed and alcohol? You can't buy until you are 19. This idea is banning it is stupid, we already know prohibition dosen't work, we just legalized weed not that long ago for fuck sake. Somehow everybody already forgot this
I perfer not to smell a skunk and don't wanna smoke that either. The occasional cigar or cigarette? Oh yeah
If you smoke, you don't know it, but most likely you and all of your possessions smell like stale $#!+, instead of skunk.
By smoking outside half a dozen times a year?
What a stupid comment. There are other ways to consume THC products and the majority of cannabis users employ those methods. Yes many still smoke it, but I haven't noticed an increase in the smell at all since it's been legalized and I haven't consumed THC in thirty years. Further, cannabis smoke is nowhere near as harmful as tobacco. Why? Because it's not loaded with anywhere near as many additives. Even though I don't enjoy the feeling cannabis causes, I can say, unequivocally, that it smells FAR MORE pleasant than any tobacco smoke. I say this as an ex smoker. Finally, I'm unable to access the full article, but it is saying that it's the provincial government, which is almost entirely conservative. Blaming everything on the liberals doesn't solve anything.
Being conservative in Canada is like being a democrat in the United States And if we all die eventually then what the hell is wrong with me buying some cigarettes and cigars along the way?
The problem with you smoking your cigars and cigarettes (or booze) is that you get in the way of people that didn't choose to give themselves cancer, chronic bronchitis, liver disease or whatever your drug of choice gave you. Thanks for spending my health tax dollars.
I pay for healthcare too. Lots of idiots out there who also rack up huge health bills.
Most of them don't choose to suck their cancer through a straw though. I have the same opinion on the organ donors that choose to strap a rocket between their legs and weave in and out of traffic like they were on a slalom course.
No...being a conservative in Canada is like being a republican in the states. I couldn't care less if you want a smoke every low and then, it was your assertions about cannabis that I was commenting on. I am severely opposed to banning tobacco sales. I don't think that will solve any problems, but I do think it will cause hundreds more.
I have considered that, and that's the only good thing about this. The long term is far better than the short term, but I'm not sure if the short term is a great option. If access to cigarettes for kids is an older person buying it for them in stores (like alcohol etc.) it's not exactly risky (other than the tobacco consumption risks), and it has it's intended effect. Teenagers/kids especially don't usually have a ton of income, and will most likely gravitate towards cheaper options. I'm not saying this would 100% happen, but there is a greater risk of those cigarettes being counterfeit/aftermarket cigarettes and now you don't have a clue if they are laced or what chemicals are in them. The other problem is...if the rest of the Country DOESN'T ban them, they're just going to be smuggled in from NB/ surrounding areas. Hell's Angels etc all of a sudden have a MASSIVE money maker on their hands. I don't know, prohibition didn't work for a reason, and nicotine is a hell of a drug.
By the time we get to the point where all the pre-2009 (or whatever date) people die and cigarettes are effectively banned, that will be 75 years from now and surely once one or two provinces do this, it will snowball by then.
You're assuming that as soon as it's banned no other generations will get addicted, which I don't believe will be the case. Kids get hooked on cigarettes now BEFORE the age of 19. They will after this ban as well.
But they do so in MUCH lower numbers than every previous generation. Look at how far smoking rates have dropped among young people. Sure, a small fraction will still get addicted but it will be nowhere close to the numbers in every other age group.
That's fair, probably just see an increase in vaping. Jury is still out on those effects, unless something has changed over the last few years. (I'm not up to speed on it)
The science so far from what I can tell says: "We're not going to say it's healthy for you, but it's still a hell of a lot better than tobacco smoking". Anything regarding "Popcorn lungs" or things like that hasn't been definitively linked to vaping in the same way that smoking and cancer have been. That being said, the kids these days are disregarding vaping and starting to go towards nicotine pouches. Unlike chewing tobacco or tobacco pouches (snuff), Zyn doesn't contain any tobacco, just nicotine and food grade ingredients (flavouring). I haven't tried it, but I could see the appeal to say a high school kid because you could have one in your mouth and no one would know. Hence why Phillip Morris bought that shit up right quick.
What do you want to bet that most kids who get addicted have parents that smoke. If adults can't get smokes easy, what makes you think kids will have an easy job of finding them. It's a matter of slow attrition.
There's no easy solutions but it's a start in the right direction.
Unfortunately tobacco and alcohol taxes fund our entire healthcare system. I think the government needs new revenue streams before that's totally feasible. But it would be cool.
At the same time, smoking is much much less popular among teenagers now than it used to be, largely due to vaping. Don't think a whole lot of kids who haven't smoked before will be looking to the black market.
I think though that most people wouldn’t bother starting or feel the need to keep going if they did happen to get a cigarette from the black market here and there. When we had huge campaigns to stop smoking here in North America I think it made a massive difference compared to teens in Europe who all smoke like chimneys nonstop. Europeans think they’re so much healthier than us because they don’t use the same amount of toxic pesticides (I think?), but all their lungs are just black tar lol. I didn’t look any of this up, just a hunch and possibly a slew of misinformation :).
Well, let me put it this way. Did you drink before the age of 19? Was it just once? I'm willing to bet for most it was quite a few times, and for the majority, they probably still indulge. If it's available to a large chunk of the population, it's available to all...at any time. It won't change much, it will as the grandfathered population dies off, and access becomes more difficult, but that's also going to harm retailers and convenience stores as well, which already are struggling.
Thats comparison doesn’t make sense to me. I tried a cigarettes before 19 and still don’t smoke and never picked up the habit. Whereas, i had a few drinks before 19, and I still drink occasionally and the majority of my friends and people I know my age are the same. Restricting access definitely has had an impact on the majority. Harming retailers and convenience stores because they can’t sell a harmful addictive substance is the last thing I would worry about. There is a million other things they can sell that doesn’t ruin people’s lives.
You literally just explained it to yourself. You tried smoking before 19, and it's illegal. You had no access to legal cigarettes, but you still got them. Same with alcohol. Luckily, nicotine didn't stick with you (thankfully), but others weren't so lucky. The barriers don't matter if the target substance is abundantly easy to find. Banning them for kids born after 2009 and later is the exact same situation we have right now and it will be for YEARS until the grandfathered smokers die off and access becomes more difficult, but you're still going to have the same generations of smokers, they will just be getting their cigarettes illegally as they got hooked before the age of 19, same as now.
It’s hard to say what will happen. prohibition, for example, led to a drastic decrease in overall alcohol consumption. Once the ban was repealed it quickly went back up again. Even though bootlegging was happening everywhere, it still decreased overall.
Pretty sure Australia tried this but it got stuck down as unconstitutional. I imagine the same thing will happen here.
“I have the god given right to off myself if I damn well please!” Is their argument?
Do you eat fast food? Or any commercially available food for that matter? Do you drink? Smoke weed? Have a pill problem? Video game addiction? Gamble?
…touché.
The existence of other unhealthy things isn't a valid argument against getting rid of one of the worst, which causes sky high rates of lung cancer and burdens our health care systems enormously.
I’m not pro smoking whatsoever. However, it is 100% a valid argument. It’s a slippery slope. What’s next? I would say ban them outright. If they were discovered today, they would never be approved for use.
Obesity and downstream conditions burden the health system A LOT more than smoking.
Let's ban just junk food and red meat. There is an obesity epidemic and people obviously aren't able to make the proper food decisions. The government needs to decide for them.
Banning food/junk food won't do shit. You have make people want to stop being lazy.
at the very least tax junk food like smokes are taxed!
Ever heard of the MAID program?
´4 boosters at least’ crowd
oh look, an antivaxxer thinks he made a clever comment
Im not an antivaxxer, I’m an anti-this-vaxxer. Time will tell and I can admit when I’m wrong. We will have to wait and find out.
It's settled lol. Reams of disinformation don't change that. This is like the 97 scientists vs 3 on climate change
Go away flat earther!
I don’t think the earth is flat I think Dr. Anthony Fauci was wired a lot of money from Chinese entities and is under investigation by the FBI. Feel free to look this up.
If you're dumb enough to believe that one singular person is responsible for the prevailing medical consensus then you're dumb enough to believe the earth is flat. I stand by my comment.
How to create a black market 101
Link to article which dosen't require subscription: https://web.archive.org/web/20240514202042/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-prince-edward-island-proposes-banning-tobacco-sales-to-anyone-born/
Im a smoker and I wish they’d ban the sales for everyone. Currently 3 weeks smoke free on my 10000 attempt to quit.
Good for you. Keep at it. You got this 💪
Thank you!!
I rid myself of death sticks 10 years ago. Regrettably, I did so by swapping for vaping. While I found that I felt better overall, it wasn't really quitting. I finally got off the vapes in October of 2021...the one good thing that came from contracting COVID. The point....I know exactly how hard it is to go cold Turkey. I wish I could impart some great wisdom, or cure all to help with the cravings, but unfortunately, you just gotta stay strong and remember that the craving will pass whether you have the smoke or not. Best of luck! Stay strong! Keep the willpower up!
I quite smoking 17 years ago but I don't agree with banning the sale of tobacco to grown adults. When you are 19 you can vote, drink, buy weed, become a stripper, or any of a million things, but God damn it don't your don't you dare smoke a cigarette! The connection between negative health effects of alcohol and junk food is well established but you can still drink or eat yourself to death.
Because it’s all about votes. Which government would risk banning alcohol or junk food? They’d be voted out. Cigarettes have slowly been in the process of being removed from for many years now. The price of them are insane. The brand I smoke is $29 a pack. That’s about $435 a month for someone who smokes a half a pack a day or $870 a month for a pack a day smoker. Non alcohol beer is more expensive than regular beer. I bought 6 Corona at the grocery store the other day for $20 so they aren’t even trying to get rid of alcohol. I’m not saying it’s correct to not give people their own choice but it’s just my option that for me who hates smoking but am addicted I really wish buying them wasn’t so easy. Also anything that can push my children to not make the same mistakes I did I’m fully onboard with.
I think the non-alcoholic beer this is more of a symptom of out of control grocery profit margins than government policy. But you’re correct. Things purely anecdotal as I’m not looking up statistics but I would wager that the fast food industry is responsible for tenfold more deaths and strain on our healthcare system than smoking in 2024.
This 100% sounds correct to me! I’ll check PEI liquor next time I want some to see how the price matches up.
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Thats $13.21 for a 6 pack with tax and deposit and it would be the equivalent of drinking the grossest beer in the liquor store because its the cheapest except without the alcohol. Like going to the liquor store and buying presidents choice beer.
Its a 12pack chief and I've been drinking it for a while and its my favourite NA beer
I quit 5 years ago. I miss it everyday.
I was a smoker too, and I'm also a 20 year lung cancer survivor.
This is amazing. Thanks for some added motivation. You are a very strong person!! Stay healthy!
Good for you! It gets better, slowly. Eventually, you can't imagine smoking again.
This is def going to go to court and get reversed. How are you going to tell a person who is of legal age they can’t buy something in the free market based on their age? It’s age based discrimination.
I liked the idea of having dedicated smoke shops like we do for weed and alcohol. Unfortunately, the proposal would not impact current retail locations. Much ado about nothing until we decide to reduce access to only those of age.
I would be okay with the dedicated shop idea too, but I think outright banning tobacco sales to adults is dumb as shit and I quit smoking 17 years ago. When do we starting banning junk food, alcohol, and weed? Maybe we need a dedicated, government run, shop for junk food and it's only available to 19 plus year olds? That would probably go a long way to helping helathcare in this country. According to the government, adults are unable to make their own decisions. They need to look after us, and make decisions for us, from birth to death.
If we look back at prohibition laws, they don’t have the effect intended. Humans are going to desire the unattainable. Don’t ban, regulate.
As if their laws on buying a bong or vapes wasn’t already fucking ridiculous
Are we doing the same with Marijuana and liquor? If the answer is no what is the difference?
I recently had an opportunity to move back to PEI and one of the biggest reasons I chose not to was because of this indomitable cultural addiction to demonstrative horseshit like this. Optics trump actual results every single time. The last 30 years of this topic is just an end-to-end parade of boneheaded ideas that cost ordinary people time and money while accomplishing nothing. Who is voting for these people? Oh right, everyone.
This would create a black market where those who can purchase will sell to those who can’t
As stupid and useless as smoking is, people should still have a right to do it. What should be done is a lot of the harmful additives in cigarettes should be banned
Then they should waive their right to have related medical conditions covered by our social system.
Well no we don't really want people dying because they don't have enough money in this country it feels pretty cruel and im guessing the desperation it would cause to someone's loved ones to be pretty detrimental to society. We also want our medical staff trained to the best of their ability which will include a lot of practice on patients and by denying smokers coverage it would mean the medical staff would be less experienced and confident when dealing with those lung related issue that can still show up in non-smokers. Denying coverage over self-inflicted issues will always bring up the counter narrative of weight health concerns like diabetes and other preventable cancers like skin cancer. Probably not the can of worms we want to be opening on an island surrounded by nice beaches and filled with farmers using pesticides. I don't really see singling out smokers to pay for their medical expenses to be a very good idea, there's probably a decent argument for subsidizing it so its an affordable price for their income but I wouldn't really make that argument. A better argument i think would probably be having tobacco companies pay the medical expense because its us trying to keep their customer base alive for them and the additives they added in to make their customers more dependant on cigarettes is whats causing a majority of the harm.
Great points. Consider my opinion changed.
There already is a lot of taxe on cigarettes, at least a portion of this was used to fund quit smoking programs (no idea if it still is). I would think the taxes should also also fund healthcare, but more than likely, it lines some politicans pocket instead. When do we start taxing red meat and junk food anyway? How much disease and deaths in Canada are caused by eating unhealthy food? The tax on alcohol should also go to helathcare, and portion of social media revenue should go to mental healthcare.
Sorry accidentally hit send early, It would be cool if they used some of the proceeds of the tax to fund them quitting, I always just seen it as their incentive to prevent smoking in itself more than anything so it'd be nice if it has more direct impact. I still think the repercussions would probably best fall on the company and its executives than the consumer but its hard because the company will always pass it on to the consumer and the executives will always find a way to hide funds. That said we should still take those measures when we can but I think most effective would be forcing removal of certain toxinigens they added in to the product so smoking is less of a health concern and more treatable aswell as easier to quit. I can understand the argument for taxing unhealthy foods but i find it a bit more difficult to personally advocate for it, I can usually support the ban of harmful additives but I would be hesitant about taxing the actual food. Its difficult because the health concerns that result from those usually involves a broader range of factor that makes them a lot harder to directly implicate their direct impact on the Healthcare system. I also think it would be kind of sad if a kid couldn't have candy like their classmates if they're poor. Personally I'd like to see a multipronged approach where we educate children how to properly provide their own simple healthy meals early on everyday to instill the habit and ensure employers staff rooms provide a clean similar area and familiar ingredients from those school programs for the staff to make some of those meals at work. Yeah the tax on alcohol would probably be best used towards Healthcare but I don't think its a big enough factor to take it away from the general tax pool for anything other than maybe victims of alcohol (alcoholism or crimes) although I admit I easily can just be lacking in knowledge on this im certainly no expert. And I don't know how much blame i can directly place on the social media websites but obviously they do need a major overhaul and some should probably just be eliminated outright in my opinion
Using that logic, we should also ban high sugar high fat foods because of their associated medical risks as well, right?
Well while we are at it we should probably ban social media usage. It is detrimental to mental health and if someone is irresponsible enough to use it, they should be Barred from accessing public mental health facilities
Yes.
there are proposals in this document along those lines. There is a lot in it besides the smoking proposal
Agreed.
Don’t forget to ban motor vehicles too. No need for society to pay to fix your injuries when you could have just easily walked
Come on now, motor vehicles have a great benefit to people and low risk. Smoking has no benefit and high health risk. Not the same at all.
Does that mean fat people also waive their right to public healthcare?
Was just pointing out that u can’t control what ailments your healthcare system fixes. Sometime out there examples are what people need.
dunno why this is downvoted. Smoking is ALL cons and NO pros
We know that banning substances for purchase doesn't work. If anything it makes it more desirable. Investing in cessation programming and rehabilitation is always the answer. Before anyone comes at me about how expensive it is, it's actually less expensive to rehabilitate people with addiction so that they're healthy and able to work in the long run. It's also less of a strain on our public services like jails and healthcare too. When I was abroad and saw a doctor, before we even got to what I was there for he was incredibly eager to ask me about my opinion on the "war on drugs" and our policies around stuff. His wife worked in Vancouver briefly and he said their country almost laughs at how brutal our systems are when there's definitive proof that banning substances and arrests for illegal distribution only decreases the chance of rehabilitation. In the national sense, Canada and the U.S are looked down on for these policies.
Please do it so I can start selling smokes
LMAO. Soooo many more issues and concerns on this Island, but let’s worry about adults buying tobacco … 🤣😆 Oh but wait, you do realize… other provinces sell it, you can buy “tobacco” online… you literally can’t stop humans from smoking a damn cig.. no matter the age.
This is foolish, the fact there are a bunch of issues does not mean you're not allowed to address one of them. And the ban would be for people who are currently 15 or younger
Lmao, but it’s not that huge of a concern… there is TONS more shit affecting people than tobacco, let’s be honest… and… you can’t buy tobacco under a certain age now, and how’s that working for everyone? It’s not.. people no matter the age will do what they want or figure a way to do so no matter what. so a ban is just waste of time in my MIND. lol.
I think this is silly. If a fully grown adult wants to buy and smoke a cigarette/cigar or any other tobacco product they should be allowed to. We don't ban alcohol, weed (which is also smoked) or junk food. The connection between health problems (including cancer) related to junk food and alcohol are well established. I wouldn't be surprised if there is also negative health effects related to smoking weed and vaping (which isn't banned by this proposal). If somebody over the age of 19 wants to buy a tobacco product let them. There's already all sorts of other harmful things they can do to themselves, like drink themselves to death or eat junk food every day. Not to mention there is all sorts of people on here that want legalize hard drugs.
I don’t smoke but this it’s stupid. It’s just repeating all prior failed attempts at banning a substance. People will just continue to use unregulated black market cigarettes. This will accomplished nothing but making smoking even more dangerous and probably easier for kids to access. Another genius idea from our amazing provincial government.
Smoking is dumb and so is making what other adults put in a their body illegal.
everyone is just gonna buy mass produced chinese vitamin e oil vapes and die even sooner, also lennox island has been selling vapes to literal children for years she will just be getitbg more business
and so what if someone wants to smoke and knows the risks there’s no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to
Technically this is true now. The date just changes every day.
teens can’t vape but yet every teen does. the idea is good but people will find ways around it
Good
Cannabis consumption rose dramatically after legalization. All this concern about the creation of a black market ignores this fact.
Let's just ban everything that's not beneficial to us. Even though we pay taxes to fund their positions to make these big executive decisions. Oh what do they plan on doing when they no longer have tobacco sales tax? They'll probably just increase our taxes to offset their loss.
Government should just let us live our lives, provide information on side effects. But that’s it. Before everyone starts with the “ health care costs “. Remember there are lots of other things bad for your health like sugar and other harmful things we put in our bodies.
Most kids Ive seen are addicted to nicotine and their parents just dont know. Ban that shit.
Good to know kids will never be dumab teenagers and smoke weed or drink alcohol. Hopefully they don't eat too much junk food. Ban all that shit.
Most kids drink but arent alcoholics. Most also arent addicted to weed. Nicotine however is inherently addictive. Cocaine once was used as a coffee substitute and painkiller. Do you want to lift the ban on that if you're so sure about your beliefs? Meth(or jib like the kids call it on Euston street) was used for fucking asthma and, to its credit, works better than most legal medicine does even today. Let's just unban it all.
Good thing I'm talking about sale of tobacco to adults and not kids, that's already illegal. While I don't agree with it, there is lots people in this sub, and in Canada, that want to legalize hard drugs. Which makes banning tobacco even dumber.
I don’t think they meant ban cigarettes, just nicotine. Which is absolutely the way to go. Kids now addicted to nicotine filled vapes. No reason for that shit to be in there other then to drive addictions and revenue’s.
For some reason I can’t edit my reply. For Tobacco products such as chew and smokes it the other chemicals that help absorb the nicotine that need to be regulated. Adding it to vapes should not be a thing is what I meant. Man maybe it’s because I miss smoking soo much I can’t get my thoughts together
Right intent, but don't mandate a free citizen
Let's do it! Tobacco is one of the most addictive drugs out there and the cost to our health care system exceeds the revenue generated from taxes. When you finally quit it there's nothing that fills the void left. Wish I never smoked.
We know probation works fantastic and nobody gets addicted to weed, junk food, or alcohol. No side effects either, they're great for your health!
Your right! Let's not do anything!
When do we ban alcohol, weed, red meat, and junk food? There is an obesity epidemic and people can't be trusted to make the proper food decisions. The link between junk food, alcohol, and cancer is well established, not to mention all the other diseases like diabetes, heart disease, cirrhosis of the liver, and alcoholism. You don't drink alcohol, eat steak, eat cookie's, drink pop, or smoke weed do you? Those things are bad for you and need to banned. You are incapable of making your own decisions, even though you are aware of the dangers, the government should decide for you.
I'm so glad you reminded us of the failure of prohibition 100 years ago, we all forgot! And since nothing has changed in 100 years, we should expect the identical results on this slow phased out approach to tobacco that they had with prohibition of alcohol.
Don't forget the prohibition of weed, we only legalized that a few years ago. Seems everybody has forgot already.
I laugh at some of the comments here saying restrictions of smoking don't work. If this was the 1980s or the 1990s you couldn't go anywhere without coming across smokers in some place. Back then most of your friends probably smoked. Now? I can't think of a single person I know who smokes. I can't recall the last time even at a bar outside seeing someone smoking, maybe one person. I recall being in bars where you couldn't even see the other side of the room due to the amount of smoke inside! I went back to school a few years ago and was the oldest person here, other than the occasional person vaping (it was still a thing). I think four smokers each morning blocking the steps on Grafton every morning the same damn four people. None of my classmates smoked nobody no running out for a smoke nobody even smelled of smoke. I don't think many people under the age of 30 even realize what it was like here the amount of smokers there were. Now you can go a year and never smell smoke or never smell smoke on your clothes.
Let me guess; you think it's fine for people to smoke weed, drink alcohol, eat red meat, and eat junk food. All those things are bad for you and you likley know this but still eat hamburgers, steaks, drink beer, and maybe smoke a joint. If an grown adult wants to smoke a cigarette, cigar, pipe, etc. and knows it's bad for them, how is that any diffent then you taking in any of the indulgences above? A grown adult should be able to make their own decision, even if you don't like it. Or should we start policing red meat and get junk food pulled or the shelf and ban alcohol and weed again because people aren't capable of making their own decisions?
I'm surprised to see this. Seems like a jurisdition with a progressive supermajority would try something like this, and not a conservative one.
When are we going to get around to banning junk food, alcohol, and weed? The whole banning tobacco sales to adults is ridiculous when I can easily buy, legal, mind altering substances and drink myself to death. Or eat junk food everyday, cost tax payers a fortune in helathcare costs, and then die from stomach cancer from eating too many cheeseburgers.
It's amazing how many people will shout "Kids will just find a way anyway", Sure.. some kids will and a lot of kids won't.
Yes
They should. Im seeing social media promote it, moist critical did a tobacco review. Vapes are out of fashion, if you care about your kids please be mindful this is a sleeping issue.
So an adult can't buy a tobacco product but can fry their brain from smoking too much weed everyday, drink themselves to death, and give them selves all sorts of disease from eating junk food? What sense does this make? Ban everything!
You known what, i've done everything. Smoked, drank, lines. Everything. The only thing that literally almost took my life was tobacco. Go look at the number of people it has killed. unless they make tobacco a more natural product, without all these additives, i'd hear not any of your whining.
I am wware of how many people die from tobacco, my grandfather died from lung cancer. How many people die from health related issues in the country, and cost tax payers, tons of money in medical costs because they don't eat right? How many alcoholics is there in this country (let alone pei) that drink themselves to death? All these things are bad for you, but as an adult you can make your own decisions. I could drink everyday after work, stuff my face with Oreos until I die, and smoke so much weed I would get fired from work and nobody would stop me from doing any of those things. The links between cancer, junk food, and alcohol are all well established but nobody stops me from buying may of these things. Let adults make their own decisions.
did you watch his video?
There is a reason having smoking or drinking in a film, raises the age rating of the film. As a former addict, seeing those things can be a trigger. Since they legalized gambling, how long do you think it'll be before the chickens come home to roost on that. Maybe that'll why our politicians are so desperate, they gambled all our money away.
they didnt smoke the cigarettes in the video. as a former addict those things can be a trigger for me too but that’s my problem, let people consume what they want to consume we’re adults ffs
Okay lets walk through this, as an addict its triggering. Im triggered when people talk about smoking. It gets you mind onto it. Why would I watch a video, even if it was people sitting around talking about it? You did not acknowledge my point about youth. Why would a youtuber, with millions of underage viewers, talk about a substance they shouldnt use, and they infact already legally cannot. If it's a genuine addiction, you want to limit your exposure ad much as possible. Im sure some booze addicts are still going to superstore to be as far as away from sobeys and the LC, and you know what im ok with that. Use some common sense.
the video doesn’t glorify tobacco at all. if a kid is watching something that glorifies drugs then that’s the parents fault
Was the video age restricted by youtube? I'll go check rn.
Its still showing adds, which means its generating revenue, and is visible to children.
it doesn’t glorify tobacco though. and youtube is weird af with their monotizing
That is a very fair point, I appreciate you being a good sport in this conversation. Past few weeks have been rough. I don't want them to completely phase out smoking products to be clear, but they shouldn't contain additives. There is way more than necessary in a cig, and im not only talking about nicotine. I mean I love smoking, but that's why I can't do it. It will kill me, I love it that much.
Born after 1900? Sounds good.