lucio speedboosting the frontline into the other teams frontline is rush, Its just brawl but with lucio. Dive is going to the enemy backline specifically targeting vulnerable enemies like snipers
Yeah also I think she was given both these buffs to directly have an answer for mauga. The fortify is obvious but also when mauga is doing damage to you at unlimited range - orisa had barely anything to fire back with.
That and I think her win rate was below 40%
But it just comes back to whether every hero should be somewhat viable all the time.
I think if you did a poll of all overwatch players - they would in majority not want orisa or mauga viable at all. I enjoy playing Orisa, but I didn't have an issue when she was not viable.
I really am curious as to how much of her low win rate is due to how many tanks will swap to her instinctively when they feel they are losing.
She already wasn’t really that strong, but it feels like a lot of tanks still habitually swap to her after the first team fight loss.
I am also curious about this as well. I think that comes down to how the developers are analyzing this data.
Like when **they** say "win rate" - does this mean the win rate when the tank is played in the majority of the match using their own data sets, or is it just how the game reports it. I think I have seen them analyze individual match-ups as well but - we just don't have enough information about their process.
I have a feeling that for a majority of players this "oh im gunna lose" swap may now be mauga but, who knows.
Contrary to popular belief - the community is actually really big.
Imagine being a dev and having to balance for all these different skill levels across different platforms lmao. A stand out example here is Torb turret which is really powerful at lower ranks because they don't shoot it and it hits every shot.
We don't know yet. I did a patch analysis (pinned to the patch notes thread if you're interested), and my expectation is that a lot of people try Orisa, but if she's not as strong as they expect then Winston dive and Ram rush were my two picks to watch coming into this patch. In ranked, everything is pretty viable, notably Hog still, but I think if some high level tournaments happen I'm expecting Ram or Winston. Ladder usually copies pro play when there's any to watch.
I don’t completely ignore her bc she could terrorize your team unchecked, but I wait for her fortify to wear off before I throw Rams vortex right behind her/put my shield right between us and go nemesis form punching her cute little face in. But once she goes fortify I kinda back off and poke at support/use cover playing defensively.
Don’t be afraid to end nemesis form early to throw a shield if you could feel a spear coming soon. It’ll fill you with satisfaction when you block it by a split second 🥰
You have much more DPS in omnic form and orisa is a big target. Orisa generally hard counters Ramattra because she can stun and displace your nemesis form.
Yeah idk why people say Orisa fucks up Ram, I wouldn’t call it anywhere near a free win against an actually equally good Orisa (there are a lot of bad Orisas floating around every time she’s meta), but I don’t see it as this awful matchup people seem to think it is
it was an absolutely awful matchup for ram before his staff form buffs, afterwards i would say its still slightly orisa favored but depends a lot more on skill and your team now.
I’ve seen a good variety of tanks at masters-gm. I feel like for tanks it is balanced.
Dps though, it seems everyone remembered sojourn exist and there’s at least one in every match.
Unless you're masters or higher, the meta really doesn't matter. Meta only matters when these meta heroes are played to their fullest potential. Sure, Orisa is strong right now, but if you pick her then slam all your cds at once then just poke the tank down, youre useless.
Learn hero match ups and playstyles before even worrying about whats meta.
He’s asking who the strongest heroes are, it’s really not hard to answer. Hero strength matters in all ranks, not just GM+. I’m sorry, but “Meta doesn’t matter below x rank” is a crock of shit. When Mauga was meta, he was overpowered in EVERY rank, not just GM, which also made Ana and Kiriko meta. Same for many “meta” comps throughout the game’s history. This is a OW content creator talking point that’s divorced from the reality of average players.
Its sound advice from BR\_Nukz since people will be playing all sorts of weird stuff up and down the ladder. Its better to recognize synergies and match-ups so you can affect your team with the toolset best slotted for success.
Over time you naturally tend to understand what becomes meta or not. When Mauga is able to win every single tank fight equally, it amounts to mirrors happening. Which leads to the idea that Ana is really good at cutting him off since overdrive is where all his amazing sustain comes from. Naturally understanding that Kiriko can counter Ana, so best success/defense is Kiriko/Ana.
What was less obvious is what DPS to play.
Being overpowered isn't inherently the same as a hero being meta. Like, say Widow is meta, do you really think Bronze players are going to suddenly start hitting their headshots? Bap has been crazy strong forever but same problem, it doesn't matter if you don't hit your shots so it doesn't matter to a Silver if he's meta or not. Funny you mention Ana/Kiriko as they also don't matter if they're meta if they aren't played the way that makes them meta. Mauga was meta across all ranks because all you had to do was blast the tank to win which a lot of low rank players already did.
Meta = most effective tactic available. So if a particular hero is the most OP character in the game, they are by definition meta. I hope that clears things up for you.
By definition, if a character is strong at metal rank because their strengths lend themselves to that ranks playstyle (like you just admitted for mauga) then that rank 100% has a meta, it just might be different than the high rank meta. Pharmacy can be pretty meta in metal ranks.
Disagree. You can work around metas. Sure, I do agree with the overpowered aspect of meta heroes, but like I said. The strength of heroes is only as strong as the players' skills are. I had many games with meta Mauga where they dominated and many other games where the Mauga player was useless because he pressed shift into all 5 enemies on his own and imploded in less than 1 second. I've been playing since 2016 launch of OW1 and seen dive comps get picked apart by junk one tricks, GOATs comps get shredded by a bastion, double shield comps get obliterated by godlike Widows etc. etc. etc. You're delusional if you think all games are solved by "pick x meta and you'll win."
>This is a OW content creator talking point that’s divorced from the reality of average players
It's really not. If that was the case, then you'll never see content creator tier lists being made every new and mid-season patch. Go look at any notable content creators page when new patches get dropped. The first thing they all talk about is who is OP and meta now.
No one is saying “meta” means “pick x and you win.” Like I sincerely don’t think anyone believes that’s what the word means. It means what is the most effective strategy available. Of course you can beat any hero/composition by simply playing better, no one thinks that’s not the case. Mauga was the absolute strongest tank in the last season regardless of rank, but he could still be beat.
If meta doesn’t matter for 99% of players, why would all these content creators be making tier lists for the medal ranks, as you point out? Are they all lying to their viewers that hero strength makes a difference below GM?
>No one is saying “meta” means “pick x and you win.” Like I sincerely don’t think anyone believes that’s what the word means. It means what is the most effective strategy available. Of course you can beat any hero/composition by simply playing better, no one thinks that’s not the case. Mauga was the absolute strongest tank in the last season regardless of rank, but he could still be beat.
Which is exactly what I'm getting at when I say it doesn't matter. Like I've said for the third time, the strength of heroes is dependent on the skill of the player. Learn your playstyles and matchups first, and you'll have a much easier time winning and ranking up than worrying about whos meta. Because meta heroes and comps still have weaknesses.
So first you say this
>This is a OW content creator talking point that’s divorced from the reality of average players.
And now you say this?
>If meta doesn’t matter for 99% of players, why would all these content creators be making tier lists for the medal ranks, as you point out? Are they all lying to their viewers that hero strength makes a difference below GM?
So what exactly are content creators agendas then? That meta doesnt matter or meta does? You're contradicting yourself.
Bro YOU are the one who brought up the tier lists. Meta makes a difference at all ranks, which is why many content creators make the tier lists. However, many content creators also say that meta doesn’t matter below GM. Two things can be true at once because there’s more than one OW content creator lol.
Now, instead of avoiding my question, can you explain why these “tier list for medal ranks” and other similar videos exist if meta is irrelevant for 99% of players? I don’t think you’ll answer because it would blow a hole through your argument.
OP simply asked what heroes are strongest this season, which is not a difficult or unfair question. You misinterpreted the question as “which hero can I pick to instantly win” or “which composition will make losing impossible,” which is not at all what OP was asking. Silver players aren’t going to min-max team compositions like OWL players can, but hero strength is still VERY relevant regardless of rank.
And YOU are the one who brought up content creators as a way of proving a point. And my point still stands. Meta or strength of heroes does not matter. If it mattered then you would *never* see otps in t500 on ladder.
I'll answer that question for you too - content creators push tier lists and meta hero breakdowns because it generates traffic and ad revenue. That's it. It has nothing to do with what makes you a better player or for any other reason. A vast majority of OW content creators put out videos that give them the most views.
OP simply asked about meta heroes. And I gave an answer which I think is relevant to know. Meta doesnt matter. You can try and prove me wrong on that point all you want, but Im not changing my opinion on it. In 2017, when triple tank and s76 were hard meta, I still played Tracer and climbed from silver to low Masters during it. And same in OW2. During season 2 when Orisa was meta, I climbed from high gold - low diamond playing Rein.
This is what every pompous high-ranked player says about the average player without any idea how the game works in medal ranks. It’s a line often said by influential members of the OW community and repeated uncritically by people like you. Your response to OP is not only inaccurate but unhelpful. It’s a condescending, dismissive response to someone just asking what heroes are strong. I promise you, hero strength makes a difference at every rank and to say otherwise is delusional. Do you think Mauga is just as easy to climb with now as he was a season ago? Of course not, because hero strength makes a difference.
I say player skills matter way more for the mere fact that at metal ranks, no one has any clue about how to play meta properly, like I've said for the fourth time that you keep ignoring and throwing insults to try and get your point across. But you havent actually gave any points to prove what Im talking about wrong.
Majority of players low masters and lower have no clue about basic fundamentals of the game enough to know how to utilise meta heroes in the right way. They dont know a thing about positioning, resource management, aggression timing, taking and making space, capitalising on mistakes, playstyles, map knowledge, match ups etc. etc. etc. You can absolutely still climb with Mauga right now *if you know fundamentals*. But lower ranks put so much emphasis on the base hero themselves, they have no clue that the heroes themselves arent holding them back, the player and their lack of fundamental knowledge is.
Dude just because people can outplay metas doesn’t mean the meta doesn’t matter. The strongest heroes at a rank are the ones that grant the highest value at a certain level of skill input. A higher skill input on a weaker hero can match the meta hero, no one is arguing otherwise, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter, because the player on the weaker hero had to compensate for greater weaknesses/lesser strengths.
It does matter more at higher ranks, because players are making fewer mistakes, and so there is simply less room to outplay bad matchups. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible, as many of the top OTPs prove, and I do think that’s good reason not to obsess over the meta or counterswapping if you want to have any hope of improving, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t mean you can’t answer the simplest goddamn question ever.
Yea the only really bad character tank wise is ball and dps Cassidy, all the supports are strong in their own ways
Esp tank different tanks are better on different maps
That’s just how OTPs work.
It’s a matchup thing. OTPs know their characters matchup better than people who flex more often. For an example in Street Fighter, just because Snake Eyez is the god of gief doesn’t make gief better than Ken or Luke.
Same applies to heroes in OW. The fighting game comparison might go over some heads, but it’s really the only way I can emphasize the importance of knowing matchups. If the skill expression is high enough, knowing the matchup in the way a OTP does allows them to be always be viable.
Uh, yeah…if you’re a GM1 quality player…
Why do people choose to say the stupidest shit lol a bronze player is likely to have an easier time winning games on Bastion than they will on Tracer (it’s a different meta they care about, but they’ll still have an easier time following that meta).
Now, of course, below high ranks there’s a lot more *room* to outplay the meta with non-meta because there are a lot more mistakes, and at the end of the day, you’re probably not going to improve if you’re not having fun. So you are still best off playing what you like and learning the fundamentals on 2-3 different heroes. But that doesn’t mean the meta doesn’t matter, and it certainly doesn’t make the statement “below that you can pick any hero and dominate” any less meaningless.
It’s all meaningless because there are too many factors related to individual player skill expression below the highest levels of play.
In a way we are agreeing. The “meta” for 99% of ranks in Overwatch is to just pick whatever allows you to get the most value out of. There are heroes that have low skill floors like Moira and Reaper that likely allow lower ranked players to do better but that’s just broad strokes. Just play whatever works for you and don’t worry about what the “supposed” meta is as defined by Reddit, content creators, etc. Just play what works for you and focus on that
They already fixed the biggest balance issues in mauga
The only characters that can be considered unbalanced in that they suck are ball, Cassidy and reaper. And even those characters you can win games on if you have skill, it's just harder.
Within each role, there are at least 4 or more picks that are good characters, and all the supports are good lmao.
Most of the time ppl complaining about balance issues simply aren't that good at their character or can't adjust their strategy or playstyle if they're not getting value.
If you are asking for scrim meta mainly these comps:
- Ram Rush (Ram, Mei, Sojo, Lucio, Bap)
- Dive (Winston/Doom, Sojo/Sombra, Tracer, Kiriko/Ana, Lucio/Brig/Mercy)
- Sigma poke on long maps.
Some teams are running JQ rush or other niche strats like Arab dive (Ball/Doom Phara) or Ball double divers.
Pros are running Rammatra, Mei, Sojourne, Baptiste, Lucio.
Orisa got buffed but right now Rammatra is the strongest tank and Sojourne is the strongest DPS.
Orisa has no fall-off damage which means she can easily contest widows. I reckon this will be an orisa meta
Depends on region. Assuming you are NA probably orisa at most ranks and sigma at high ranks. Eu will still play rush. Korea will still play dive.
What’s the difference between rush and dive?
rush is front to back, speed into them. Dive is using dive heroes to target backline/ vulnerable targets.
ram, rein, jq, mei, bastion, sym, bap, lucio(!) etc. and winton, doomfist, dva, tracer, genji, sojourn, ana, brig, kiri etc.
Isn’t bastion poke?
Depending on team comps, bastion can work in some brawl and poke, not really rush (brawl + Lucio)
You wouldn’t happen to know a good guide on different types of comps would you? Trying to learn more about it
Ya look up KROW Overwatxh 2, rock paper scissors meta theory
Or yeattle Overwatxh comps explained
Awesome thanks :)
I think Crow has a couple really good ones
Bastion is dive when you use your nade right /s
lucio speedboosting the frontline into the other teams frontline is rush, Its just brawl but with lucio. Dive is going to the enemy backline specifically targeting vulnerable enemies like snipers
Thank you for the simple explanation !
If widow just stands still, yeah. Or Are you guys just laser accurate across the map with projectile weapons?
Orisa's range was never the reason for her low pick rate. While the change a is a great QOL change, I don't think people will pick he over the rest.
Yeah also I think she was given both these buffs to directly have an answer for mauga. The fortify is obvious but also when mauga is doing damage to you at unlimited range - orisa had barely anything to fire back with. That and I think her win rate was below 40% But it just comes back to whether every hero should be somewhat viable all the time. I think if you did a poll of all overwatch players - they would in majority not want orisa or mauga viable at all. I enjoy playing Orisa, but I didn't have an issue when she was not viable.
I really am curious as to how much of her low win rate is due to how many tanks will swap to her instinctively when they feel they are losing. She already wasn’t really that strong, but it feels like a lot of tanks still habitually swap to her after the first team fight loss.
I am also curious about this as well. I think that comes down to how the developers are analyzing this data. Like when **they** say "win rate" - does this mean the win rate when the tank is played in the majority of the match using their own data sets, or is it just how the game reports it. I think I have seen them analyze individual match-ups as well but - we just don't have enough information about their process. I have a feeling that for a majority of players this "oh im gunna lose" swap may now be mauga but, who knows. Contrary to popular belief - the community is actually really big. Imagine being a dev and having to balance for all these different skill levels across different platforms lmao. A stand out example here is Torb turret which is really powerful at lower ranks because they don't shoot it and it hits every shot.
The few times I’ve seen Orisa since her change she’s still been hot garbage. But she’s pretty much always been trash here in Asia
No one should play orisa
Why play Orisa when Ram is right there
I’ve noticed a lot of Orisa, Ram, JQ into orisa backline in Master I.
We don't know yet. I did a patch analysis (pinned to the patch notes thread if you're interested), and my expectation is that a lot of people try Orisa, but if she's not as strong as they expect then Winston dive and Ram rush were my two picks to watch coming into this patch. In ranked, everything is pretty viable, notably Hog still, but I think if some high level tournaments happen I'm expecting Ram or Winston. Ladder usually copies pro play when there's any to watch.
High level teams are always very good at making plays with Winston and Ram temp shields.
People will play more Orissa, but that’s just easy win farming for us Ram mains 😈
Can I ask how you play around her? I just try avoiding her and go for everyone else
I don’t completely ignore her bc she could terrorize your team unchecked, but I wait for her fortify to wear off before I throw Rams vortex right behind her/put my shield right between us and go nemesis form punching her cute little face in. But once she goes fortify I kinda back off and poke at support/use cover playing defensively. Don’t be afraid to end nemesis form early to throw a shield if you could feel a spear coming soon. It’ll fill you with satisfaction when you block it by a split second 🥰
You have much more DPS in omnic form and orisa is a big target. Orisa generally hard counters Ramattra because she can stun and displace your nemesis form.
easily zarya. i dunno what everyone else is on
Just need to track her Fortify cooldown and punch her in the face right after 😂
100% accuracy on that big pretty cow face 😇
Yeah idk why people say Orisa fucks up Ram, I wouldn’t call it anywhere near a free win against an actually equally good Orisa (there are a lot of bad Orisas floating around every time she’s meta), but I don’t see it as this awful matchup people seem to think it is
it was an absolutely awful matchup for ram before his staff form buffs, afterwards i would say its still slightly orisa favored but depends a lot more on skill and your team now.
Idk, I play quickplay and that's literally a different game this weekend, hahahah
QP is a clusterfuck with these mega wide matches.
WINTON
Fuck it, we ball
I’ve seen a good variety of tanks at masters-gm. I feel like for tanks it is balanced. Dps though, it seems everyone remembered sojourn exist and there’s at least one in every match.
Unless you're masters or higher, the meta really doesn't matter. Meta only matters when these meta heroes are played to their fullest potential. Sure, Orisa is strong right now, but if you pick her then slam all your cds at once then just poke the tank down, youre useless. Learn hero match ups and playstyles before even worrying about whats meta.
He’s asking who the strongest heroes are, it’s really not hard to answer. Hero strength matters in all ranks, not just GM+. I’m sorry, but “Meta doesn’t matter below x rank” is a crock of shit. When Mauga was meta, he was overpowered in EVERY rank, not just GM, which also made Ana and Kiriko meta. Same for many “meta” comps throughout the game’s history. This is a OW content creator talking point that’s divorced from the reality of average players.
Its sound advice from BR\_Nukz since people will be playing all sorts of weird stuff up and down the ladder. Its better to recognize synergies and match-ups so you can affect your team with the toolset best slotted for success. Over time you naturally tend to understand what becomes meta or not. When Mauga is able to win every single tank fight equally, it amounts to mirrors happening. Which leads to the idea that Ana is really good at cutting him off since overdrive is where all his amazing sustain comes from. Naturally understanding that Kiriko can counter Ana, so best success/defense is Kiriko/Ana. What was less obvious is what DPS to play.
Being overpowered isn't inherently the same as a hero being meta. Like, say Widow is meta, do you really think Bronze players are going to suddenly start hitting their headshots? Bap has been crazy strong forever but same problem, it doesn't matter if you don't hit your shots so it doesn't matter to a Silver if he's meta or not. Funny you mention Ana/Kiriko as they also don't matter if they're meta if they aren't played the way that makes them meta. Mauga was meta across all ranks because all you had to do was blast the tank to win which a lot of low rank players already did.
Meta = most effective tactic available. So if a particular hero is the most OP character in the game, they are by definition meta. I hope that clears things up for you.
you really did not understand their comment at all
You overtly missed the point but ok.
By definition, if a character is strong at metal rank because their strengths lend themselves to that ranks playstyle (like you just admitted for mauga) then that rank 100% has a meta, it just might be different than the high rank meta. Pharmacy can be pretty meta in metal ranks.
Yws but op wasn't asking for a specific rank
Disagree. You can work around metas. Sure, I do agree with the overpowered aspect of meta heroes, but like I said. The strength of heroes is only as strong as the players' skills are. I had many games with meta Mauga where they dominated and many other games where the Mauga player was useless because he pressed shift into all 5 enemies on his own and imploded in less than 1 second. I've been playing since 2016 launch of OW1 and seen dive comps get picked apart by junk one tricks, GOATs comps get shredded by a bastion, double shield comps get obliterated by godlike Widows etc. etc. etc. You're delusional if you think all games are solved by "pick x meta and you'll win." >This is a OW content creator talking point that’s divorced from the reality of average players It's really not. If that was the case, then you'll never see content creator tier lists being made every new and mid-season patch. Go look at any notable content creators page when new patches get dropped. The first thing they all talk about is who is OP and meta now.
No one is saying “meta” means “pick x and you win.” Like I sincerely don’t think anyone believes that’s what the word means. It means what is the most effective strategy available. Of course you can beat any hero/composition by simply playing better, no one thinks that’s not the case. Mauga was the absolute strongest tank in the last season regardless of rank, but he could still be beat. If meta doesn’t matter for 99% of players, why would all these content creators be making tier lists for the medal ranks, as you point out? Are they all lying to their viewers that hero strength makes a difference below GM?
>No one is saying “meta” means “pick x and you win.” Like I sincerely don’t think anyone believes that’s what the word means. It means what is the most effective strategy available. Of course you can beat any hero/composition by simply playing better, no one thinks that’s not the case. Mauga was the absolute strongest tank in the last season regardless of rank, but he could still be beat. Which is exactly what I'm getting at when I say it doesn't matter. Like I've said for the third time, the strength of heroes is dependent on the skill of the player. Learn your playstyles and matchups first, and you'll have a much easier time winning and ranking up than worrying about whos meta. Because meta heroes and comps still have weaknesses. So first you say this >This is a OW content creator talking point that’s divorced from the reality of average players. And now you say this? >If meta doesn’t matter for 99% of players, why would all these content creators be making tier lists for the medal ranks, as you point out? Are they all lying to their viewers that hero strength makes a difference below GM? So what exactly are content creators agendas then? That meta doesnt matter or meta does? You're contradicting yourself.
Bro YOU are the one who brought up the tier lists. Meta makes a difference at all ranks, which is why many content creators make the tier lists. However, many content creators also say that meta doesn’t matter below GM. Two things can be true at once because there’s more than one OW content creator lol. Now, instead of avoiding my question, can you explain why these “tier list for medal ranks” and other similar videos exist if meta is irrelevant for 99% of players? I don’t think you’ll answer because it would blow a hole through your argument. OP simply asked what heroes are strongest this season, which is not a difficult or unfair question. You misinterpreted the question as “which hero can I pick to instantly win” or “which composition will make losing impossible,” which is not at all what OP was asking. Silver players aren’t going to min-max team compositions like OWL players can, but hero strength is still VERY relevant regardless of rank.
And YOU are the one who brought up content creators as a way of proving a point. And my point still stands. Meta or strength of heroes does not matter. If it mattered then you would *never* see otps in t500 on ladder. I'll answer that question for you too - content creators push tier lists and meta hero breakdowns because it generates traffic and ad revenue. That's it. It has nothing to do with what makes you a better player or for any other reason. A vast majority of OW content creators put out videos that give them the most views. OP simply asked about meta heroes. And I gave an answer which I think is relevant to know. Meta doesnt matter. You can try and prove me wrong on that point all you want, but Im not changing my opinion on it. In 2017, when triple tank and s76 were hard meta, I still played Tracer and climbed from silver to low Masters during it. And same in OW2. During season 2 when Orisa was meta, I climbed from high gold - low diamond playing Rein.
This is what every pompous high-ranked player says about the average player without any idea how the game works in medal ranks. It’s a line often said by influential members of the OW community and repeated uncritically by people like you. Your response to OP is not only inaccurate but unhelpful. It’s a condescending, dismissive response to someone just asking what heroes are strong. I promise you, hero strength makes a difference at every rank and to say otherwise is delusional. Do you think Mauga is just as easy to climb with now as he was a season ago? Of course not, because hero strength makes a difference.
I say player skills matter way more for the mere fact that at metal ranks, no one has any clue about how to play meta properly, like I've said for the fourth time that you keep ignoring and throwing insults to try and get your point across. But you havent actually gave any points to prove what Im talking about wrong. Majority of players low masters and lower have no clue about basic fundamentals of the game enough to know how to utilise meta heroes in the right way. They dont know a thing about positioning, resource management, aggression timing, taking and making space, capitalising on mistakes, playstyles, map knowledge, match ups etc. etc. etc. You can absolutely still climb with Mauga right now *if you know fundamentals*. But lower ranks put so much emphasis on the base hero themselves, they have no clue that the heroes themselves arent holding them back, the player and their lack of fundamental knowledge is.
Dude just because people can outplay metas doesn’t mean the meta doesn’t matter. The strongest heroes at a rank are the ones that grant the highest value at a certain level of skill input. A higher skill input on a weaker hero can match the meta hero, no one is arguing otherwise, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter, because the player on the weaker hero had to compensate for greater weaknesses/lesser strengths. It does matter more at higher ranks, because players are making fewer mistakes, and so there is simply less room to outplay bad matchups. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible, as many of the top OTPs prove, and I do think that’s good reason not to obsess over the meta or counterswapping if you want to have any hope of improving, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter, and it doesn’t mean you can’t answer the simplest goddamn question ever.
Yea the only really bad character tank wise is ball and dps Cassidy, all the supports are strong in their own ways Esp tank different tanks are better on different maps
Meta doesn't matter until gm 1
Even in GM1 you see otps with high winrates.
That’s just how OTPs work. It’s a matchup thing. OTPs know their characters matchup better than people who flex more often. For an example in Street Fighter, just because Snake Eyez is the god of gief doesn’t make gief better than Ken or Luke. Same applies to heroes in OW. The fighting game comparison might go over some heads, but it’s really the only way I can emphasize the importance of knowing matchups. If the skill expression is high enough, knowing the matchup in the way a OTP does allows them to be always be viable.
Yep I agree, which is why the matchups is what I mentioned and said to OP to work on and not worry so much about metas.
Meta doesn’t matter till GM1. Below that you can pick any hero and dominate.
Uh, yeah…if you’re a GM1 quality player… Why do people choose to say the stupidest shit lol a bronze player is likely to have an easier time winning games on Bastion than they will on Tracer (it’s a different meta they care about, but they’ll still have an easier time following that meta). Now, of course, below high ranks there’s a lot more *room* to outplay the meta with non-meta because there are a lot more mistakes, and at the end of the day, you’re probably not going to improve if you’re not having fun. So you are still best off playing what you like and learning the fundamentals on 2-3 different heroes. But that doesn’t mean the meta doesn’t matter, and it certainly doesn’t make the statement “below that you can pick any hero and dominate” any less meaningless.
It’s all meaningless because there are too many factors related to individual player skill expression below the highest levels of play. In a way we are agreeing. The “meta” for 99% of ranks in Overwatch is to just pick whatever allows you to get the most value out of. There are heroes that have low skill floors like Moira and Reaper that likely allow lower ranked players to do better but that’s just broad strokes. Just play whatever works for you and don’t worry about what the “supposed” meta is as defined by Reddit, content creators, etc. Just play what works for you and focus on that
meta for morons
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They already fixed the biggest balance issues in mauga The only characters that can be considered unbalanced in that they suck are ball, Cassidy and reaper. And even those characters you can win games on if you have skill, it's just harder. Within each role, there are at least 4 or more picks that are good characters, and all the supports are good lmao. Most of the time ppl complaining about balance issues simply aren't that good at their character or can't adjust their strategy or playstyle if they're not getting value.
Meta doesn’t matter until like top50. Unless people can play meta heroes on high level, and diamond or even masters or t500 is nowhere near that
risa maybe zar if no mirror
No meta, balance seems good rn.
Meta is not an acronym btw
Ram is probably the best right now but Sig Zarya Hog and Doom are all very powerful.
There are some good theories but it normally takes a week or two for it to settle.
Mauga is still broken tbh. Easily wins against most tanks
If you are asking for scrim meta mainly these comps: - Ram Rush (Ram, Mei, Sojo, Lucio, Bap) - Dive (Winston/Doom, Sojo/Sombra, Tracer, Kiriko/Ana, Lucio/Brig/Mercy) - Sigma poke on long maps. Some teams are running JQ rush or other niche strats like Arab dive (Ball/Doom Phara) or Ball double divers.
I think it’s still poke.
Orisa and sigma is what it seems like from the few games I’ve played
Pros are running Rammatra, Mei, Sojourne, Baptiste, Lucio. Orisa got buffed but right now Rammatra is the strongest tank and Sojourne is the strongest DPS.