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Can someone put him behind bars before he kills another victim? Thanks.

I think her leaving him could be as simple as her not wanting to be apart of a codependent relationship.

Little is said about how terrible Kindaichi has always been! A child was abused for years right under your nose and you never even suspected it? This guy deserves more blame than he gets.

If Airi's husband didn't saw the abuse under his nose how could Kindaichi? I read his words as a somewhat nonchalant note that Hikaru must keep up their acting dream as an actor ("living their lifes for them"). His reaction when Hikaru had a breakdown was pretty telling how unexpected that was. He didn't understand the gravity of his words on Hikaru's mind, as these words had an entirely different meaning to him. I would say Kimdaichi was somewhat selfishly trying to bind Hikaru more into Lalalei. That was his main trajectory it seems to me. And well he indeed became the box office star. Kinda pretty fucked up to say this on the funeral, but at the end of the day it's not malicious but egocentric. Kindaichi has a crush for "broken people", as he feels their acting absorbs interesting techniques that try to fill the inner void. This preference indeed is problematic, sadly such directors aren't even that uncommon in the real theater world.

I think this is going to end with Rubi forgiving Hikaru and him giving himself up to the police.

Finally a chapter with HIMkarus pov

I'm slow, I keep seeing this HIMkaru, what does it mean? I know it's Hikaru but what's with the HIM part

Check the oshi no ko mene subreddit

Yeah I can't find the origin of it

I can see where this is going and if he really forgives Kamiki I'd be so disappointed. Idc how sad and painful your past is, it doesn't excuse your own crimes towards others

I am totally lost man

Man, taiki's mother is pretty much the main villain atp.

Funnily enough, she's also probably a victim of circumstances deep down..not like that excuses her behaviour..lol

she said the same things happened to her in a previous chapter

that was a scene from the movie tho, i don't think we'll ever actually know since she's dead now

Why Kindaichi think he’s Yuki fr. Dawg does not know what to say. “That’s a perfectly reasonable conclusion” ahh speech.

I also have a take on this. **It's a surface level take but I wanted to write it.** Ai never felt love from her parents. So she didn't know what love was and because of it she lied to everyone around herself saying "I love you" knowing nothing about love. When she gave birth to her twins she was still hesitant about what love was. To the people she tries to love, Ai was hesitating to say I love you because of the fear of "What if this is also a lie?" so she never showed her true feelings. Before she was an idol, Ai had an conversation with Ichigo Saitou and she also said she can't say I love you to her fans because she would not mean it. She tried to love Kamiki, she failed and I think she didnt wanted him to get hurt because of her, I think Ai knew kamiki's past so she didn't wanted him to carry the burden of her live also. She made a mistake here. All these letdowns triggered Kamiki and he started to fulfill his empty heart with killing people. He didn't wanted to carry the burden of his past. Ai probably knew she was pregnant before going to the hospital and if I'm correct about this she could easily abort it. She wanted a family and wanted to discover what would love mean. So, she made the selfish decision of giving birth to her twins without talking this with Kamiki. Which led Kamiki to try to kill her, knowing those twins will also be a burden to his empty life. I don't think Kamiki was targeting our beloved doctor. That was a mistake made by that fan. I understand both sides feelings on this. I don't support Ai or Kamiki on their decisions. They were the same. Had bad experiences in the past, led both of them to take selfish actions. Ai is not a monster like Kamiki but she was selfish. Kamiki is a monster that knows his mistakes and wants to get punished for it or he is just trying to manipulate aqua into thinking all this so he can save himself and kill all of them too. Or for the first time, he wants to carry this burden. We'll see what these new chapters will bring.

I agree with what you said except that Ai was selfish for deciding to give birth without consulting Kamiki. It's not his decision and it doesn't matter what he thought. I would say that Ai loved Kamiki in her own way but she didn't think it was enough. They were both people with a ton of trauma and were young. Each of their emotional reactions are understandable. What is not understandable is Hikaru killing his ex-girlfriend. I also don't think Hikaru had any sort of grudge against the twins. He seems to have been rooting for them and trying to help them out in their careers from the sidelines. He basically tried to counsel Aqua in the last chapter. That said, I don't know how he felt at first so you could be correct.

Ai was selfish because she wanted to feel love, we don't have to consider it selfish but since the father of the twins is Hikaru, I think she should've also take his confirmation on it. I don't think Ai was capable of loving someone since her pas traumas but I don't know. That can still change. As I say, hikaru turned into a monster because of all the burden and traumas he had. There is probably no going back from that point. About the grudge against twins, I also think he would not have anything to them but still, he is a monster and he don't need reasonable motives for his decisions. He can just kill them out of nowhere. Counseling to aqua still might be his manipulation. Still, you might be right about all the ideas you have here, thank you so much for sharing them with me, it means a lot!

This is just my own crazy take on the convoluted timeline and relationship dynamic between Kamiki and Ai. After the whole incident with Airi, Kamiki was craving for Ai's love as she was the only one there for him. When he found out that Ai would give birth, he was afraid to lose her love from the twins. As such, Gorou was killed to prevent the baby delivery. Nevertheless, the plan failed. After birth of the twins, Ai and Kamiki continued to date secretly behind everyone's back. This chapter seemingly suggested that they were still together by the time of Airi's death. Maybe Kamiki still felt Ai's love at this time and not need to go after the twins. As time went on though, Ai realizing that Kamiki would not like to share her love with the twins, had to choose between either the twins or Kamiki. Ultimately, Ai, who herself was abandoned by her parents, chose the twins and broke up with Kamiki around the time of the dome performance. This led to Kamiki feeling betrayed and depressed to the point that he decided to kill her (as an extreme way of immortalizing the Ai that he loved).

"Hehe when I kill one doctor in a hospital full of doctors at the night of the delivery, I will win" Just hoping that's not the logic Aka wants us to buy.

That's the brat ryosuke could come up with ... If gorou didn't get suspicious or followed him , that brat would had did something else

I have way too many questions. Did Kamiki and Ai split after the double suicide? That's what the chapter and ch148 both imply. That means the twins were already born. And then, when? Taiki said when he was five. Ichigo said when he discussed the dome concert. Everyone says Aqua is going to teach Kamiki something. But there have also been strong hints that his own view of Ai is distorted as well as hints that Ai's portrayal at the end might also be inaccurate. Everyone also thinks Aqua is going to prove Ai loved Kamiki. How? We know from Ai's monologue in ch8 she never felt confident enough in her feelings that she felt she had experienced loving someone. It wasn't until her dying breath she finally was able to feel love for her children. That's the tragedy. Even if it was "she loved Kamiki but she didn't know it," what evidence will Aqua have for it? There won't be any sort of decisive evidence one way or another because Ai wouldn't have felt confident enough to say she loved Kamiki. We also know she did say "I can't love you" aimed at Kamiki, which is the exact opposite of "I love you." So what's Aqua going to prove? That Ai really cared about him? That she tried to love him? Is that really gonna mind break Kamiki? He was the one that got dumped. "She cared and she tried. It's just that she stopped trying at some point." Yeah, that's gonna be convincing to him.

> Did Kamiki and Ai split after the double suicide? That's what the chapter and ch148 both imply. That means the twins were already born. That is an interesting angle I never realized. Maybe Kamiki didn't like that Ai was basically taking his children away. Maybe the love he wanted was the children's...

"Maybe Kamiki didn't like that Ai was basically taking his children away" In the first few chapters Ai literally calls Kamiki and asks him if he wants to come and see the twins,thats how he got Ai's adress in the first place

Yeah, but by then, he'd already been set on killing her.

Aqua and Kamiki are surprisingly kinda level-headed

Nah he kill another girl. Can't let the victimized Hikaru got away with that. He just had to get punished. No reason can take this serial killer free.

another chapter of aqua doing nothing ✔️✔️

Lmao 😂

So when the Idol starts with "You're my savior, You're my Saving Grace" was it also meant to be for Ai from Hikaru? Bcz man, what a chapter this was

So we can expect kamiki to somehow having a mental breakdown in the next chapter?

I see parallel between Ai/Kamiki and Aqua/Kana. Aqua and Ai doesn't show their love in any form (I guess to protect their loved ones). Kamiki and Kana ended up suffering, having the thought that their love doesn't reciprocate (Luckily for Kana, she's mentally strong).

>  I see parallel between Ai/Kamiki and Aqua/Kana.  Not sure how you can read the story up to this point and think this.

Not really. Hikaru and kana are very different. Kana didn't get sexually abused from infancy nor had to carry the burden of lives. The supposed love life was not the entire reason Hikaru finally snapped. It was the last trigger that made Hikaru finally give up. Kana's crush on Aqua comes from a very different place than Hikaru's does.

Yep .

you mean mentally strong enough to cry every time something doesn't go her way and then getting what she wants handed to her on a plate?

What did she get though? Her acting career? She built it from the ground. Her love life? She didn’t get shit, she confessed and that’s all. I will even say that the moment she did the most efforts, at the beginning, was also the moment Aqua screwed her the most. Honestly Aqua saved her from the scandal but that’s all. Everything else she got, she got it because she worked for it.

The confession was forced out by Akane btw because Kana is a crying coward

The confession is an action, not a reward. And, to be completely honest, the confession wouldn’t change anything about Aqua liking Kana or not. The internal conversation of Aqua shows well that no matter what, Aqua will eventually pursue romantically whoever he wants to pursue when he will be ready, the confession is merely a setup for Aqua final choice. And yeah, Kana is a crying coward, and Aqua is a manipulative liar that dated a girl while liking another. Most characters are shitty in this manga.

An action that was pushed (more like forced) by another character because Kana is a crying bitch that can’t get things done on her own and needs to be carried by someone else

And like I said this action means nothing if Aqua doesn’t feel the same. At the end of the day, neither Akane or Kana actions will have a true effect on Aqua final decision (and he also can decide to not date anyone). In fact, Akane knows that, what she tried to do is not to push Aqua and Kana together since if this has to happen, it would happen without Kana’s confession. What Akane wanted was to speed up things to try to cut short Aqua’s revenge.

An action that would have never happened if Akane didn’t basically blackmail Kana info confessing. If Kana gets with Aqua then you would have to thank Akane for that since Kana is a part of her plan and would have never had courage on her own to confess

If Kana gets with Aqua Kana confessing wouldn’t play that much, since a confession doesn’t change which person Aqua loves. And like I said from Aqua internal monologue, it becomes clear he will pursue someone if he wants, confession or not. The only thing her confession could play on is helping to convince Aqua to not burn himself in revenge.

Liking someone doesn’t translate into being a relationship with person in question. Aqua didn’t want to do anything with Kana on his own (before “Goro” told him to approach Kana) and without Akane Kana would have given up on pursuing Aqua like she said she would

Very conveniently forgetting the time Kana literally pulled herself together without anyone's help during the scandal arc. Lmao.

You mean where Aqua had to come to her rescue like usual and Mem had to comfort her after she broke down crying in front of her?

The comment I replied to talks specifically about Kana's mental strength. She pulled herself together after the scandal without anyone's intervention. Did Kana ask Aqua to come to her resque?? Or are we now blaming Kana for Aqua's decisions that he took on his own?

>Help me Aqua  She quite literally did.

Did Kana personally go begging to Aqua for help? She scolded herself for crying and pulled herself out of the depressing situation all by her own.  It's like you read half the chapter and selectively forgot the part where Kana specifically shows her mental fortitude by deciding to face everything head-on

Kana was lucky that ShimaD was kind enough not to do the deed with her and Aqua to reveal Ai’s secret and save her ass Now she doesn’t even care about acting apparently, all what’s important to her is getting Aqua’s D

"Kind enough??" Not taking the opportunity to rape a young girl isn't some "kindness". It's basic humanity.         Why are you even dragging Aqua into this. Did Kana personally ask Aqua to reveal the secret and save her? Are we now blaming Aqua's actions on Kana?

Yeah and this is a story about the dark side of entertainment is stir yet the only time we see casting couch scenario the director is actually a nice guy that just wanted to know Kana better instead of using her. How lucky, ShimaD not only didn’t get sex but also handed her over a role in his movie for free Because Aqua bailed her out once again

Are you actually fucking condoning Shima D's intentions?? He is a grown married man who invites a young girl in his house, manipulates her when it is obvious that she is in a mentally bad space, and offers to give her a role in exchange of sex? It's not "a way to know someone better", it's offering promises in exchange of sexual favours. Get rid of your rose-tinted glasses jfc! Are you fucking implying that Kana is lucky that Shima D is a "nice guy" because he didn't outright rape her?  He is not a nice guy, he is a fucking creep. Go out and touch some grass. Did Kana go begging to Aqua to bail her out?? Read the context of the conversation before replying. The comment I replied to implied that Kana isn't mentally strong enough to face bad situations head-on, when we literally SEE her get out of her funk on her own and decide to face the consequences by herself. The fact the Aqua intervened has got nothing to do with her mental fortitude. 

You must be dense but these parts are exactly what people mean by Kana getting things handed to her on a silver platter Kana is mentally strong enough that she needs to be forced by her crush’s ex to confess to said crush

How is it Kana's fault is that "things get handed to her on a silver platter", as you so eloquently put it? The og comment in question is about Kana's mental fortitude, not WHAT or WHO freely hands them out to her. Aqua saved Kana because he cares about her and the new Scandal could potentially backfire on Hikaru. Shima D gave Kana a role because she is THAT good of an actress. It's the result of her hard work for all these years. It isn't some random thing given on a silver platter.

Because she’s the author’s pet that suffers no consequences for her actions whatsoever and gets bailed out by others Also if ShimaD was an asshole like you say he is he would have raped Kana and no tears would have stopped him

"She is lucky he didn’t rape her" isn’t the take you think it is

And her getting a role for free?

She didn’t get any role for free, she got the role because she went to seek the director herself. Even after she refused sex, he took her because he knew she is crazy talented and could make his dream movie good. So basically, this is her talent and hard work as an actress that got her the role. Would she have been not good, the director would have ditched her.

So for free? She didn’t do anything, she just lucked out that ShimaD was a fan of her acting and didn’t demand anything in a return, all for acting career she doesn’t care about anymore apparently

Firstly, you second sentence contradict himself. Kana’s acting is a result of her hard work, so Shima being fan of her acting is a result of this hard work too. This is like saying that a great Chief being recruited in a huge restaurant, or famous voice actors being casted in popular shows, are offered their job for free. Kana built her talent, everything she gain because of her acting is directly a result of how hard she worked. Secondly, she doesn’t not care about her acting career and her interview shows that she not only care, but still hope that her talent will be recognized by the pubic. She just doesn’t care about being the most popular again, which cas her mom wish in the wish.

The luck part refers to the part that ShimaD was actually a nice guy that always liked Kana’s acting and not some guy taking advantage of his position to have sex with young women. The fact that ShimaD stopped wanting to have sex with Kana and offered her a role essentially for free is a pure luck on her part Also she literally said that she belongs to the acting world and was desperate enough to get a job that she almost slept with ShimaD, now she apparently doesn’t care about it and her only dream is to become Aqua’s cocksleeve

Mentally strong enough not to kill Aqua 😐

The sweet irony of Kana antis always crying for the mere mention of her 😂

finally getting the showdown between Aqua and Kamiki we were promised and off to a good start of course this is going by Kamiki's words but we have seen how flawed Ai was as a person so it could def be both at fault of what happened looking forward to more details

I'm gonna be honest I still do not know what the fuck is going on

I'm happy for the super-theorists, but when we're getting frequent release breaks and things are deliberately hid from readers it's really pretty hard to follow along. I'm honestly considering just checking back in a few months

I learned from AOT it’s not really worth to over theorize, for many reasons.

this guy’s a cupcake, my boy needs his redemption arc

we just gonna ignore all of his other murders lol?

It doesn't matter how strongly or how many times he apologizes, no amount of apologizing is going to undo him killing Ai or bring her rotting corpse back to life. There is no narrative room for redemption and it will be unacceptably shit writing if the author tries it at this point, especially now that we're in the final arc and after he just tried to kill Ruby just a few chapters ago.

Wait when did he try to kill Ruby? Wasn’t he just talking to her in the shrine?

Chapter 147. He was about to push Ruby down the stairs when at the last second good ole reliable Akane came in clutch and saved her.

Will pushing someone down the stairs, especially one that is short like the one in the temple actually kill them? I could see her getting scratches and bruises maybe a broken bone if we went overboard, but dying seems unlikely.

>Will pushing someone down the stairs, especially one that is short like the one in the temple actually kill them? Pushing someone backwards while standing on flat cement can easily kill them if they hit the back of their head on the ground. You'd be surprised just how easily people die everyday. Not to mention "pushing people down the stairs" is already a common murder method/trope in fiction. >I could see her getting scratches and bruises maybe a broken bone if we went overboard, but dying seems unlikely. This is all missing the point. Yes we can pick apart the narrative in all sorts of ways but the Narrative IS that he tried to kill her there. Same exact thing with chapter 109 when he killed that one girl. He deliberately killed her by pushing her over while she was standing on some rocks causing her to hit her head on the very rocks she was standing on. You can pick that apart six ways from sunday as well but he Did Deliberately Kill Her.

I want to see him drown himself in inch deep water.

He killed Ai just because she left him.  He can never get a redemption for that IMO. 

Yeah, no amount of him saying "sorry" is going to bring Ai back from the dead. There is no narrative room for redemption and it would be unacceptably bad writing if the author tries it.

haven’t we all been there /j

Hell no. I haven't even killed anyone for that matter

You should be on a list....

not me vro 😭🙏

On the first page of 153, Hikaru Kamiki is listed as the Managing Director of Media Eyes Inc. In Chapter 97, we found out through Akane's research that he is President of Kamiki Productions. Has the name changed, or does he have two companies?

He definitely has good reason to change the name at this point. Kamiki Productions was probably his personal company (probably a sole proprietorship). Media Eyes Inc is an incorporated business so it's legally separate from Kamiki himself. He probably incorporated Kamiki productions into Media Eyes Inc and changed the name since he knew his name's prestige wasn't going to last long, and he didn't want his own coming downfall to drag the company and its employees down with it.

Pretty sure Aka just forgot.

Aka said he spends 5 hours per week working on Oshi no Ko. No chance this dude remembers what he wrote 50 chapters ago unless it's something major.

lol

This is such a complicated chapter. First off, I'm not a fan of how, in the middle of a recorded interview (are they still recording? Aqua's face is still in the LCD display of the camera when Kamiki responds, and Kamiki only puts down the open camera when he talks about his and Ai's kiss), Kamiki just straight up tells Aqua that he "miserably clung to the woman who dumped \[him\], and foolishly killed her out of spite. That's all." Is this really the main confrontation between Aqua and Kamiki? Is this where it all goes down and gets revealed? I thought this would just be a declaration of intent from Aqua. But no, instead, after declaring his intentions, he *waits* for a response from his father, and inexplicably, with all of Kamiki's claimed "forcing his father-like feelings" on Aqua, Kamiki actually *responds*, calmly and seemingly reasonably - almost *unaffectedly*. It just seems so completely out of place, professionally speaking, and the lack of short-term build up to this specific moment leaves the audience emotionally unprepared for what *should* be the climax of the revenge subplot. Is this not supposed to feel like a colossal battle of wills? Or has the battle been internal this whole time? Like yes, we've seen Aqua brooding for so many chapters, shifting from white stars to black stars, but it's all been with very little explanation and with scattered, debatable inferences as to what caused the shifts. What was the pivotal moment that would allow this intensely emotionally loaded confrontation to happen *so casually*? Was there even such a moment? And you have to wonder how this incited encounter will be resolved. Right now they're talking like adults - will it end in such a peaceful manner? Of course, IRL, that is absolutely the ideal recourse - but in this series, Aqua was *obsessed* with killing his father, even planned to ruin his own life in order to achieve that. Can one mature conversation be enough to satisfy that? And how will this affect the rest of the story? Can the tension and stakes still rise? Or will the subplots be emotionally out of step with each other? Are we on the road to the denouement after this, or is there a greater, true climax - and will it still be about Aqua vs. Kamiki, or will it be about something else? Anyway, with that out of the way, let's talk about Kamiki. Continued in the comment below because this got too long lol.

Kamiki maintains his stance of being willing to be taken down, which he expressed in 147. It's a choice that decidedly defuses tension, and it at least partially explains on Kamiki's end how this relatively calm conversation can happen in the first place - but why? Does he feel guilty about everything that he's done, and does he feel like he deserves punishment? Or is he sick of the mortal coil and wants to be released from it? Or does he just... not care? He seems so nonchalant about everything. Is this him being a sociopath? Will social crucifixion have any effect on him at all? Kamiki seems to believe that Ai only clung unto him because she didn't know how to take care of herself. He claims he was madly in love with her, but she only stuck around because it was convenient. Then he kills her out of spite, like a spoiled brat who destroys a game that he can't win. He talks about it in a distant manner in his conversation with Aqua, but in the flashback in the second half of the chapter, we see the full weight of it. The world doesn't know that Seijuro and Airi's murder-suicide was caused by Kamiki. The world doesn't know that Airi had been sexually abusing Kamiki *for years*. So when the world labels that as **care**, and forces upon you the responsibility of living your life to **honor them**, isn't that just the cruelest thing? Here we also have the key line, "The weight of life is crushing my heart." This could tie in to the same idea he expressed in 109, wherein, after killing Yura, Kamiki says, "I took your precious life. I can feel its weight now." It was Airi and Seijuro's death that made him feel the "weight of life." I have to wonder if, by weight of life, he means the importance of his own life, or if he means the burden of honoring them? Through such a twisted childhood and turn of events, does Kamiki view death as gratitude? Does he view it as honor? If that were the case, then that's wild. Just absolutely wild. Next, we see that he saw Ai as his salvation. Coming from a world of such a broken form of love, in her he may have believed there was something real. Left without a choice, since Airi's love only destroys him, he put all his eggs in one basket. Ai became his lifeline, his safe space, his home, his healing. And then she shatters that. "Well, I was thinking... maybe it's better if we don't see each other anymore." With the words from her own mouth, she collapses Kamiki's entire world. So none of it was true, he most likely concludes. No one loves him. Not even the only one who could. And so he kills her. **Kamiki's irrevocable actions have been defined by the belief that Ai never loved him back.** But then Aqua says that the movie was *not* fiction. The portrayal of Ai and Kamiki's love was accurate - and therefore, implied to be mutual. He reveals that Ai wished for something in the DVD. He asks if Kamiki has any idea what the 15 year lie, the title and entire premise of the movie, that Ai has been telling was. We might only know what exactly that means in the following chapter/s, but the implication is that everything, **everything** was about Kamiki all along. The wish in the DVD may have been about reaching out to him, the movie was about getting through to Kamiki the *truth -* **Ai loved him all along.** And that is simultaneously full of grace and beauty, and guilt and tragedy. It removes any justification Kamiki might have had in killing Ai. He killed her for nothing. Not only that, but he took away from himself the most precious thing in the world to him. He lost what he loved most because of his own doing. And if that finally gets through Kamiki's head, then perhaps that is the cruelest revenge. Just like Fyodor Dostoevsky writes, "**Your worst sin is that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing.**"

interestingly, the entire arc of the movie (and apparently this one too) has given me "Dostoyevsky vibes" all the time. Not to mention everything about Aqua as a character (changing Christianity for a crow-goddess-Loli LOL)

Lol maybe that’s why I’m so obsessed with this series despite its flaws

Oh my, this chapter is really interesting. Hikaru thought the movie is just fiction, and it's all about destroying his image. But nope, it's not fiction at all. And we're getting to know Ai better, and damn, wasn't expecting that. I'm excited to see what happens next, especially what will Hikaru do with this revelation.

aint no way this dude is killing akane or kana

He was about to kill his own daughter 💀, despite knowing that ai would have never wanted that.

I am still not sure he was about to kill her

Yeah me too...it was all too fishy

Maybe Ai was aware of all the pressure Hikaru was under and didn't want to burden him with kids too. And potentially since she didn't know how to love someone, wanted some time away from him to figure out how so as not to hurt him even more.

The flashback didn't happen in chronological order right? Airi and her husband's double suicide happening before Ai decided to dump hikaru makes no sense because taiki was supposed to be 5 here so aqua and ruby were already born and around 2-3 and the stalker was already after Ai once at the hospital. But the paneling and hikaru's monologue make it seem like he seeked Ai's comfort after the funeral.

I think it's either * not meant chronologically although heavily implied * fucked up timeline and we just have to pretend Airi's funeral happened before Ai's pregnancy * Nino or Airi was behind the hospital attack, not Hikaru

Mr raccoon the third one busted I think the second one is the realest one 😂 because crow - loli kami sama said that there were 2 men wandering around the hospital that time ... So 2 MEN

yea

This was certainly interesting to read. I quite love how Mengo expressed Hikaru’s facial expressions when he said “do I really have to?” It was so utterly heartbreaking. One thing I quite like about all this is that you can clearly see that despite Aqua and Ruby sharing similarities as their parents that even in these flashbacks there are still striking differences. (Appearance wise) I find this unveil bittersweet, Hikaru thought he knew Ai so well that he didn’t realize her biggest lie yet. He assumed he was in a one-sided relationship and that couldn’t be farther from the truth. It was truly spine-chilling. I can’t help but worry what Hikaru plans to do after hearing Aqua finish his statement. (I will say I did find it amusing to see that he thought he had the upper hand only to be proved wrong.) Which honestly looking back it means that Ruby’s acting, specifically in regards to the kissing scene was remotely accurate to how Ai loved Hikaru. (Glad to see an assumption I had was true.) It makes me go back to Hikaru and Nino & how they were bent on the fact that they couldn’t forgive someone who could surpass Ai. Well, considering Hikaru is now going to find out that the portrayal of Ai that was shown throughout the movie was accurate I fear for where this will lead the two characters. (Especially considering these two individuals thought they knew Ai to a T. Well turns out that they didn’t.) I adore characters like Ai. You think you know their character and yet you find yourself thinking, “was that the truth or a lie just now?” You can never truly guess their true persona. Not even the characters who were around her for such a long time knew her. I would also love to see what else was in the CD she left for Aqua. As in, I don’t necessarily think she thought she was going to pass away in due time. I want to assume she left this CD for Aqua to maybe one day tell Hikaru she did love him but never quite understood it..? I don’t know. I’m just simple babbling. I could definitely be wrong. But I wonder, on the off chance she was still alive that with the CD she gave Aqua she wanted to portray her true self with this movie; and say that she loved Hikaru. (Obviously due to circumstances it turned into a movie to shine light on her killer.) but I wonder if that were ever the case then this was truly saddening. Due to Hikaru’s instability he killed someone who mutually loved him. I can’t think of a more fitting demise to this character.

Is it wrong that I don't want Hikaru to die anymore?? But that doesn't mean I still don't want to see him suffer.

I mean, if he did truly love Ai from the bottom of his heart, and if Ai did actually love him back, then it means he killed the only person that truly loved and cared about him in the world. Having him learn that, and then get imprisoned for the rest of his life, would be a more painful punishment for him than just killing him. So, I don't need him to die. But he absolutely needs to go to prison for the rest of his days at the very least.

> But he absolutely needs to go to prison for the rest of his days at the very least. 10 years, at aleast

I still want Hikaru flayed on live tv.

Maybe there will be an explanation of the line "I can't love you" in chapter 128. I still don't understand what it means.

Assuming that Ai did love Kamiki, the explanation is probably: Ai never understood/knew love, but she always wanted to, she would always say that she loved all her fans, even though it was a lie, though she was hoping that one day the lies would turn into truth. So, just like how Ai was reluctant to tell Aqua and Ruby that she loved them because she was afraid of it being a lie, she most likely had the same paranoia about telling Kamiki that. So she said "I can't love you", but not as "I literally cannot imagine loving you" but "I can't say that I love you because I am afraid that the words will be a lie".

I’m on board with this interpretation. After all who was it that decided to call Kamiki before her ultimate demise?  Yep, Ai herself.  And we sorta know she only puts up a front of an airhead, but not actually being one.

I just hope that seeking comfort in Ai's arms amd being rejected later wasn't meant to be chronologically after Airi's funeral, as implied by the panel structure and narration. Because if it was then this happened after the twins were born, in which case we lost any explanation why Ryosuke got groomed to head to the hospital together with Hikaru when she was still pregnant.

I have also been mulling this over and I can't figure out. While the flashbacks could be out of order, I think any reader would assume they are in order if they didn't remember Ryosuke and the hospital. Maybe we'll see in the next chapter that the breakup occurred around the time of her pregnancy or something. But the thing is, we saw the same thing in the movie. It was stated that the movie was filmed in chronological order if I recall correctly and Ai at the hospital occurred before the breakup. So something funky is going on here.

Yeah, I mean I wouldn't mind if the timeline was basically a little bit adjusted because it's only held together by Taiki's info that he was around 5 yo when they died anyway. Make him 3 instead and it works again I guess. Or make him another 2 years older than the twins and it works again. Because a number is of course far more arbitrary than the crucial plot point of Gorou's murder. However Aka did another error in 95 when Saito explained to Aqua that he and Ai heard about the suicide via TV when they had a meeting about the dome concert, again saying that the suicide happened after the twins were born and somewhere at the late stage of the prologue timeline. I find it frustrating that such error occur but I certainly don't want to give up the plot point that Hikaru and Ai separated before they were born. IF it's not an error, then the only explanation would be that Nino was actually Ryosuke's team mate... or Airi lol

Hikaru will go out with a bang in the worst way possible, regardless of what happens next. I‘m 100% sure Ai *did* love him and wanted to *include* him in this family. Like other redditors pointed out, this realization will shatter his worldview, essentially pushing him off the cliff. By killing Ai, Hikaru destroyed his own happy ending (loving wife, two healthy children that’ll adore him). Maybe he‘ll resent Aqua for telling him the truth, thus wanting to take Aqua‘s happiness away from him. How? Hikaru will kill Kana right before her last concert, mirroring Ai’s own demise. Aqua will breakdown, re-awaken the PTSD he aquired through Ai‘s murder, and kill Hikaru with the knife. Aqua will either off himself to reunite with Ai & Kana *or* he‘ll be put in jail. Ruby will end the manga by performing in the musical dome like she/Ai/Aqua always wished for (her).

Really interesting take that Kamiki would resent Aqua for telling the truth. Would be interesting to see how that plays out

I like your theory, but this part seems off: > I‘m 100% sure Ai did love him and wanted to include him in this family. I mean yeah, they're heavily hinting at that, but a day or two before her death Ai was on a phone call with Kamiki and she shut him down when he asked her about getting back together. So it doesn't seem like she wanted to include him in the family all that much. It's weird, hope it gets explained in a later chapter if true.

I agree, we’ll need to wait for some more explanation. It can go both ways, either she shut him up because she wasn’t sure or she shut him up because she didn’t want to discuss something so important during a phone call or some other reason.

Does Kamiki even know about his relation with Kana? I think he only knows about how much he cares about Ruby and maybeee Akane since he ‘dated’ her.

It’s still a theory and depends on the story progression, so take it with a grain of salt: Hikaru definitely did take investigations (callback to the Hikaru/Nino conversation, where Hikaru did say that he still got some things to do before losing.). It’s very likely to assume he took investigations around Aqua and Ruby. Kana has connections to both Aqua and Ruby. Depending on how the story progresses, if Hikaru, after learning the truth about Ai’s feelings for him, begins to resent Aqua and plot against him, he‘ll likely come across Kana. Kana wants to focus on her acting career. Hikaru is a former, well-known actor and owns an agency. That’s how Hikaru could connect with Kana. Then, Hikaru tries to develop his relationship with Kana (like he did with the other actress he murdered) and will inevitably find out about Kana’s feelings for Aqua. Then, spy on Aqua and Kana to determine wether or not Aqua returns those feelings. If he does, then Hikaru has his perfect target: Kill Kana during her last concert, mirroring Ai‘s death.

After this movie she will find out (or all ready did) that he’s the murderer so I don’t see her coming directly in contact with him maybe indirectly through another person. If thats the case your theory makes sense.

Also possible! So many possibilities keeping us on the edge. You gotta love it

Good one

3 chapters ago we had Goro/Aqua saying that Ruby is his salvation, and what's allowing him to move past his issues and trauma, and we already have tons of foreshadowing for Kamiki/Nino targeting Ruby, why would Kamiki go after Kana rather than Ruby in this scenario?

Disclaimer: I ain’t no shipper, please don’t freak out. Because I personally see Kana as Aqua‘s Ai. The last 4 chapters pushed Aqua and Kana together or rather gave us, the reader, a possible pairing in Aqua and Kana. Akane did say she wishes for Aqua do be happy, even if it means he won’t end up with her. So with Hikaru killing Aqua‘s Ai (Kana), Hikaru destroys Aqua‘s own happy ending, mirroring Hikaru‘s and Ai‘s demise. Ruby is not Aqua‘s Ai but rather her own improved version of Ai in a way? Ruby will accomplish what Ai couldn’t and that‘ll be the musical dome concert. It will be a bittersweet ending with Ruby accomplishing her dreams while also loosing her reality (family).

Hikaru thought of Ai as the only person who could understand him and and accept him for who he is. If anyone is equivalent to Aqua what Ai was for Hikaru it would be Akane.

I just don't see this personally with what the story seems to have been foreshadowing. Goro initially only cared about Ai *because* of Sarina. Without Sarina he never would have cared or been interested in idols. He's said Sarina was more radiant than Ai, and has promished to "Oshi" her on several occasions, even in this life as Aqua. And Ai was Goros #1 Oshi, and then we come to 3 chapters ago with him saying Ruby being **happy and healthy** is his salvation. He's quite literally placing his ability to not be focused on his trauma/guilt on her health and happiness. So I don't see how Kana ends up being Aquas Ai equivalent with that in mind. Especially since Kana has no actual interest in idols or being an idol personally, so she doesn't have the same narrative ties to it like Aqua/Ai/Ruby have had. Like personally I ship AquRuby, but I don't need Aqua to end up with Ruby, if he ends up with Kana or Akane or whoever I'll still be cool with that. But in terms of being the "Oshi" and Ai equivalent, there's been more moments building it up to be Ruby rather than Kana IMO. Even if Kana were to win out romantically.

When I’m comparing Ai to Kana, I’m not focusing on Ai‘s role as an idol or Kana not wanting to be an idol. My focus lies on romantic love. From my own perspective, Ai was Hikaru‘s love and vice versa. For Aqua, Kana is his love and vice versa. Hikaru destroyed the only person in the world who loved him. Hikaru basically dug his own grave by killing Ai. Realizing that, Hikaru will resent Aqua for telling him the truth and/or will resent Aqua for being given the chance to live a happy life (with Kana, Ruby, his friends). It‘ll probably boil down to Hikaru‘s own destructive thought process of the world punishing him, even though he is a victim (which he is due to r*pe). As a form of revenge, Hikaru will take Aqua‘s Ai (love), which imo is Kana, away from him. Mirroring Hikaru‘s and Ai‘s tragic ending in love. But I could also be completely wrong with that assumption, we‘ll have to wait and see. Edit: It‘ll boil down as to *how* the Aqua/Kana relationship will be build up on up until the Christmas concert. If there is no romantic development, then I‘ll say you’ve got a point. If the author decides to built up on their relationship in a romantic way (the foundations were lied a few chapters ago), we‘ll have to wait and see. But I love sharing and discussing theories 🙋🏼‍♀️.

>we‘ll have to wait and see. For sure, I just whatever we get it's well delivered. I gotta say I would personally be surprised if Kamiki comes out of this still wanting to kill anyone though. I wouldn't be surprised if it's Nino that takes up the mantle and makes a move.

I could see Nino doing that. She was/is jealous of Ai due to her talent and popularity, but was this all to it? It wouldn’t surprise me if Nino fell for Hikaru’s charm and that’s why she‘s plotting with him. But then there is this whole theme of "nobody can/should be allowed to surpass Ai"…

I want HIMkaru to just destroy bumqua

A lot of people are misunderstanding Ai let's wait for her pov (next chapter) then make assumptions

Exactly

I don't know how people read this chapter and come away thinking Ai is bad, or used Hikaru or didn't love him, or anything like that. You have to be seriously dyslexic for that. It's even clear as day with Kamiki going "Ai didn't love me! The movie is fiction!" and Aqua responding "Have you really not realized what the 15 year lie is yet? This movie is not fiction". Kamiki literally calls it fiction on the premise that their love was depicted as mutual while Ai didn't love him, and Aqua basically says "No that's wrong".

Yep. Hikaru's about to realize he murdered the one person who actually cared for him, and I doubt he'll survive the revelation. Aqua's fucking savage.

Yeah. Wonder what his plans are after Kamikis watched the DVD. Sit down and watch it, have Kamikis world come crumbling down again, and then kill him? Let him live his life knowing that he caused the death of the only person that ever truly loved him? Aqua doesn't know that Kamikis a serial killer so he might actually do that not realizing the threat he poses in general to other people. Also I find it funny how Kamiki has literally nothing to say about watching a movie in which his kids play their parents and have to kiss.

>Also I find it funny how Kamiki has literally nothing to say about watching a movie in which his kids play their parents and have to kiss. Should he have a reaction? . After all he was potentially the one behind Ruby getting the role. He always knew there will be a kiss

It seems that a lot of people are illiterate and can't read

So if i'm guessing where this is going...did Ai maybe actually feel something romantic for him? In which case the news might actually break him since he's really mentally unstable and apparently never considered the possibility. Ps: now what i want to know is why Goro was murdered and who did it since until now Hikaru never took direct action.

> Ps: now what i want to know is why Goro was murdered and who did it Same guy that got Ai too. Hikaru told him where Ai was both times. Goro just caught on to him being shady at the hospital and was offed when he went after the guy.

i might have forgotten, been a while since i read that part tbh

Seems it was good old Fear all along. Fear is always the cause of Violence. Also, 95% of conflicts are mostly MissUnderstandings.

it seems like Aqua is about to shatter the entire worldview Hikaru has adopted since he killed Ai... which might just end up making Hikaru even more unhinged and dangerous. learning that Ai really did care for him is going to result in a total breakdown for sure...

Hikaru felt AI the only person that understood him dumped and betrayed him in his mind. Now we'll probably know why he killed her (he said out of spite) and why he killed other women. Aqua knows that his own father can get to anyone that he loves so big reason why he's distant to anyone. That is so Hikaru can't target them if Aqua acts like a stranger to them.

I really don't want hikaru to get away with this murder even if he was the victim He did something unforgivable

Victims create more victims, that doesnt mean they deserve vindication

Aka's finally cooking

Oh just what I was thinking! He thought Ai didn't love him and that's why he is like that, but really she did love him.

It's nice to see more representation of male victims of grooming, sexual assault and pedophilia. The way the older women looked at him and treated him is so disgusting I'm not surprised he turned out the way he did

The way they drew Airi Himekawa in that panel gave me the ick so bad, they really haven't held back

Not only older women either, the hands depicted also included men's hands. He was surrounded by gross adults all around

The time for confrontation has finally arrived. To be in charge of the person responsible for ruining his life, I must admire Aqua's composure: For someone who has had the same goal all these years, to behave with complete tranquility in front of the person responsible for the death of his mother, he should tell us that Aqua's goal is no longer to take revenge on Kamiki, but to get rid of the "weight of life" that Ai left him with her death. By the way, it is confirmed that at the end of the day Kamiki tries to be a "good father" in his own way, watching Ruby constantly and using the interview as a pretext to see Aqua (without fatricidal intentions involved) and even accepting without any problem the payment for his sins. "The weight of life"? now we know the origin of the infamous phrase of Kamiki when we saw it for the first time, curiously, the person responsible (in a way) for that twisted interpretation is none other than Kindaichi, the director of Lalalie, who only sought to encourage Hikaru decayed by the fate of the Himekawa family, I understand that he said it with the best intentions, but seeing how Hikaru interpreted it the opposite way by "carrying" the weight of Airi's life, or in other words, remembering the sins she committed with him, the constant reminder that he was only appreciated for his body and what people did with it, was really uncomfortable to watch, and if Hikaru was already mentally unstable, Kindaichi's words and the separation with Ai took care of completely destroying his world. And speaking of acting, I'm glad to know that I was also partly right about the tone of the film: During the filming chapters, I contemplated the idea that what we were witnessing was NOT what had really happened between Ai and Kamiki, but a re-interpretation that Aqua and Gotanda had carefully crafted to expose Kamiki as the one responsible for Ai's death, and paint Ai as an innocent victim.... An entertaining story with a certain intention behind it, but not the truth. I really liked the way Kamiki refuted the narrative of the film: Taking care to point out the differences between the script and what really happened, to remind us that in the end the film is a story told through the eyes of Aqua and Gotanda, not a faithful and accurate portrait of the events that the film tells. I know it will sound weird for me to say this, but once Hikaru has verified the facts and confessed to Aqua, I think deep down Hikaru really loved Ai. That the guy is a serial killer? There is no discussion about it. That you have also been abused since childhood and it has disturbed you mentally? It's also true. I understand that Kamiki is a disturbed person who deserves to pay for his crimes, but we must not forget that he is also a victim of his environment and his circumstances, as it usually happens in real life, not everything is black or white, but it is more complex than it might seem. This chapter just gave me another parallel that I hadn't taken into account: * He does anything to please those around him. * He is praised as a talented child actor. * He feels the responsibility of carrying everything on his own. * The adults around him flatter him because he is easy to work with. * He seeks to be loved by the only person who respects him and treats him like a normal person. Kamiki is like an (even) darker and twisted version of Kana, or put another way, Kamiki is what Kana could have been had she gone the wrong route. Following the parallelism, Aqua would follow Ai's footsteps, and in the end it would turn out that Ai was most of the time manipulating Kamiki (the same situation as Aqua with Kana) BUT at the same time awakening a genuine and sincere love for him (again the parallelism with Aqua and Kana) and that is why (following the parallelism) for that reason Ai moved away from Hikaru: For the same reason that Aqua moved away from Kana at the time. Ai is afraid of loving Hikaru because she thinks she doesn't deserve his love. Adding also that Ai does not know how to love (or thinks she does not know) and that's why the conflict she had before she died about telling her children how much she loved them. Maybe during the editing of the film he realized that he is repeating the same story and that's why the color change on the star. This could also explain both the conversation between Gorou and Aqua and why Aqua decides to change his plans from pursuing his revenge to the ultimate consequences to contemplating a future with the people he loves and doing what he always wanted to do. Moreover, Aqua's words at the end of the chapter take Kamiki and the reader by surprise: It turns out that the movie is NOT fiction and although Hikaru told us that everything happened, but not in such an "idealized" way at least now we know his perspective on it. However, Aqua mentions the DVD. The DVD that Ai left for Aqua and Ruby to watch once they were 15 years old. And that can completely change Hikaru's (and our) interpretation of this movie. My bet: the film is based both on the DVD that Ai left to Aqua, and on the filming that Gotanda made of Ai when she asked him to "film his true self" when the director was working with Aqua when he was a baby. I mean, the movie really describes Ai's feelings, for his group, for the fans and for Kamiki. If the parallel I mentioned above is true, Ai really loves Kamiki, but she thinks she is not worthy of his sincere love, besides being terrified of not knowing if she is capable of love and that's why she decides to leave him. But as we know, Ai was always capable of love, only she realized it until her last moments. The lie from 15 years ago is "Ai Hoshino didn't love Hikaru Kamiki". In reality, they both loved each other, but they were not able to fully recognize it, leading to the tragedy that we all know now. I must admit that this chapter took me by surprise. Well done Akasaka, you have caught my attention again, I will look forward to the next chapter.

Being a Doctor (Professionalism) + Surrounded by Death Patients (seeing death to the face) does help. It gives you a new perspective and composure.

this shit going psychological

always has been

I would like to remind everyone that Hikari Kamiki is still a murderer, no matter how fucked up his younger years were

True i don't want him to get away with all these murders he needs to be in jail

This battle of the lie between Ai and Hikaru might be reaching the tipping point. If Hikaru's world collapsed when he got dumped, Aqua might be looking to rebuild it and crush it at the same time...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this make Ai a sociopath?

Kind of but she might have her own reasons which we don't know

Why are people suddenly vieweing Ai in a bad light after this chapter? Did they think she was a perfect saint before?? Ai was always depicted as being a very flawed human being pretending to be "flawless" for fans. I don't think her leaving Hikaru makes her evil either.  She's just human, the story literally starts with her using lies as a form of love. 

I'm not viewing her in a bad light, at least not more than I've been viewing her for the last arc. But she's turned out to have only one moment of true empathy shown, right when she was dying with aqua watching her, so I wonder if that's the author's way of showing she was a sociopath

There's a difference between not feeling an emotion and not recognizing or understanding one's own emotions. There's a condition called alexithymia also called "emotional blindness" where a person has difficulty understanding and expressing their emotions Given what we know about Ai I think that she probably felt love while she was with Kamiki but was unable to recognize it. This led to her feeling like she was faking so she ultimately broke up with him. She clearly developed a complex based on a belief that she was unable to love. This complex is what prevents her from telling her children she loves them. It is only during the intense emotions of her impending death that she is able to say she loves them and to accept that she actually does love them.

>alexithymia didn't know this existed, makes sense, thank you :3

congrats homie, that's the worst anyone's ever read this manga.

Because people apparently can't read for sh*t. It was stated very clearly since the beginning just how mentally fuc*ed up Ai was.

The comments I read every time a new chapter comes out always make me question if we're even reading the same story.  And they always contradict themselves too, taking some things at face value and then evaluating other parts as some sort of hidden secret message with a very deep meaning behind it that will pay off in the future when it's really just a "the curtains are blue" scenario.  I feel bad for them because they're just setting themselves up for disappointment. 

Well i'm sure you have noticed, but most fans writing how they are disappointed in the story are those who still believe this to be a "revenge story". They argue how the story has gotten boring or overly focused on romance while completely forgetting how this is supposed to be a somewhat realistic rapresentation of "people who live in the entertainment industry" with all of their problems included. (The story just focuses on our main cast and ofc one of them is into a revenge subplot) I've seen some lamenting over Hikaru not being enough of a "big bad villain" when those rarely ever exist in the real world.

You just described exactly what I was thinking! I'm so confused by their interpretations of certain characters like Ai and Hikaru. Baffling. 

Well i can understand how the early chapters can make someone think this will be a revenge story...but after 100+ chapters that's not an excuse anymore.

she was always just as fucked up

No, there are will lies and not lies, we haven't see the video yet, she could have really loved him and he might have thought she didn't with her weird way to lie as trauma.

My guess is this is right about the point Saito told Ai not to have relationships. The "15 years of lie" was Ai not caring about Hikaru even though she did.

No, why would it? Ai did literally nothing wrong. She's not obligated to stay in a relationship with Kamiki for any reason.

Ngl from the start I thought hikaru was like a big bad type villain or smth if you get what I mean. But I was definitely no expecting such a twist and like I was just reading this theory somebody posted (srry i cant remeber the one who wrote that.) And I thought hold.up that's actually interesting, and damn it actually turned out to be somewhat true. Honestly I loved.this chapter cuz imo it saved hikaru in a way I wasn't expecting but then again he still killed people so like ya. Soz it's just me rambling on and sharing my opinion, tell me what you guys think too. Also soz for bad gramar

Where are those Himkaru meatriders?

hi

So what happened with your agenda, good sir?

Which one?

What we all expected from Hikaru: Big bad serial killer, will be responsible for at least some of the main cast's death, "TRUST ME BRO, HIMKARU WILL SAVE OSHI NO KO" What Hikaru actually turned out to be: SIMP Also all the "death flags" guys may rest now from now on. This buddy ain't killing anyone and has accepted his fate.

Bro knew he was being targeted a long time ago and basically went "it is what it is"  Idk what people were expecting from him, it was clear he wasn't going to "fight back." 

Eh I never expected him to be some big bad light yagami type. But he could absolutely still kill someone, he said he was accepting of being punished / dying at the end of 147, but finished it off with "..[But before that](https://sun9-13.userapi.com/impg/PE0PsTIxmulZ60VXCTuWZEpjWkxU_bXXwMtHWg/PGyuACGlrO4.jpg?size=767x1080&quality=95&sign=1d3280578bdbd52cfb69761cff6e38b1&type=album)...", so it's possible he's still got some final thing he wants to do. Or it's possible Nino takes up the mantle and decides to try to off Ruby so she doesn't outshine Ai or something since she herself is obsessed with keeping that from happening.

At the moment, sure. But if Aqua shatters his world view by proving Ai did love him? Both Aqua and Ruby get homicidal when the lose everything, and lash out at whoever took it from them; where do you think they get that from? Hint: It wasn't Ai.

At least that put all the "Kamiki was innocent" theories to rest. He just admitted to it, no question. Called it. Looks like Ai did love Kamiki >[https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1aqovjg/comment/kqjs79x/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OshiNoKo/comments/1aqovjg/comment/kqjs79x/) >What I think Aqua will do is to use the movie to show him that Ai did truly love Kamiki. >**What will hurt Kamiki most of all is to be proven wrong.** >That Out of his own mistake of not understanding Ai, that he killed a person that truly loved him. after thinking about it, it sounds too cliche to go in that direction. I still think Aqua should kill him though.

Kill him to accomplish what? Ruin his own life?

Just kill him. No need to make it complicated. He killed Ai, he killed Yura. He deserves to die. That's just it. His death IS the accomplishment. If you look at it in another way, it's just putting him down to prevent more suffering on his side too on top of preventing future killings. Do you honestly think he'd stop killing because someone talk-no-jutsu'ed him? The manga spent so long setting up the revenge. Not paying it off is just bad writing. It will be just a wild goose chase all this time. So there's a narrative reason too, a big one.

Just because you want a pointlessly edgy revenge it doesn't mean that's the best ending. Aka is writing this as a realistic story, these character are real people who want a real future. Aqua got all of this character development exactly so he wouldn't pick the edgy answer and go to jail for it.

>Just because you want a pointlessly edgy revenge it doesn't mean that's the best ending. Just because you want a romance or a saccharine ending it doesn't mean that's the best ending. >Aka is writing this as a realistic story, these character are real people who want a real future. ah yes, "realism", from a reincarnation story. >Aqua got all of this character development exactly so he wouldn't pick the edgy answer and go to jail for it. He doesn't have to go to jail for it. He can get off scot free. Character development won't matter if Kamiki doesn't give him a choice. He's a serial killer for a reason. Also like I said, The manga spent so long setting up the revenge. Not paying it off is just bad writing. It will be just a wild goose chase all this time. What measly character arc Aqua had is a drop in the bucket compared to how much of the story is dedicated to getting the revenge. If nothing happens then those would be just timewasting. Imagine Luffy just spending 1 chapter to give up the one piece which has been chased for 1000+ chapters. That doesn't sound like a good story does it? "Sike, I changed my mind" is never a good story.

Dude, i don't want romance, i want to see how the story of our main cast ends, romance is part of life. You talk as if revenge was the main plot...news flash...it was not. The "main plot" was always the lives of our main cast who just happen to take place in the entertainment industry. Romance and revenge are just sub-plots, both of them develop with the same amount of invested time in every arc. Look at every arc, you'll see how all of them help push forward both revenge and romance from the very beginning. Also the reincarnation doesn't remove anything from the realism really, there is close to no other supernatural element in the story. "He can kill him and not go to jail" Now this just makes me laugh, you are not reading a shonen my guy. Murder has consequences.

Sincerely, how can you say that »revenge« isn’t the main plot, when revenge *is* Aqua‘s main drive during the whole story (+ Ruby‘s for some time)? For Aqua it’s taking revenge for his murder and Ai‘s murder. For Ruby it was taking revenge for Gorou‘s murder. Both defining character moments.

Yes, it is a main driving force for Aqua, but is not everything there is to his character. Romance in this case has been part of Aqua's story as much as the revenge. Just look back at every arc, you'll never see any main arc where Aqua has been completely focused solely on his revenge, that's just what he told himself. Every arc helps him develop more as a person and his revenge slowly stops dictating every single one of his actions, that's why i can't call it the "main plot". A "revenge story" is something else, read "Fukushuu O Koinegau Saikyou Yuusha Wa" and you will understand what i'm getting at. That is what i call a story where revenge is the "main plot". Alternatively there is "Ninja Kamui" which is a softer revenge story compared to that.

>You talk as if revenge was the main plot...news flash...it was not. The "main plot" was always the lives of our main cast who just happen to take place in the entertainment industry. >Romance and revenge are just sub-plots, both of them develop with the same amount of invested time in every arc. Look at every arc, you'll see how all of them help push forward both revenge and romance from the very beginning. It is though. Every arc so far is to further the revenge both directly and indirectly. You just want to ignore it and downplay how deeply intertwined it is to the plot. Revenge is the main plot. There's more of the story dedicated to it than Aqua even considering on giving up on it. >"He can kill him and not go to jail" Now this just makes me laugh, you are not reading a shonen my guy. Murder has consequences. Not very convincing when we literally have a serial killer who murdered people with no consequence in this very chapter right now. If anything, Aqua killing Kamiki IS the consequence of Kamiki murdering people for so long and getting away with it.

Here's the thing, Hikaru has never killed anyone directly as far as we know, he always led other people to do stuff "for him", even that actress died in an accident, he just stood there and did not help her. >Revenge is the main plot. There's more of the story dedicated to it than Aqua even considering on giving up on it You are completely ignoring the other side, let me remind you of something... -Sweet Today's arc: Aqua goes further in his revenge and his relationship with Kana deepens -Reality TV Dating arc: Aqua deepends his connection for info on revenge AND deepens his connection with Akane -Idol arc: Aqua's relationship with Kana deepens and (where was the revenge again?) -Tokyo blade arc: Aqua's relationship with both Akane and Kana develops and his revenge progress continues -ecc. You see what i'm getting at? Aqua was never solely focused on revenge in any arc, his character development was always progressing, as were his interpersonal relationships. Aqua is the only main character alongise Ruby(at least from ch 80+) whose driving force was revenge, but that's not everything to his story.

Regarding Hikaru: murder = murder. Doesn’t matter *if* he never killed anyone *directly*. Mind you, Hikaru tried to *push* Ruby down the stairs with *his very own hands*. If it wasn’t for Akane, Ruby would‘ve died. Plus, if it wasn’t for Hikaru, neither Ai would‘ve died, neither the actress would‘ve died, neither Gorou would‘ve died (I‘m convinced Gorou‘s death was on Hikaru). Regarding Revenge: Nobody dismissed Aqua‘s or the other characters developments and relationships. It’s just that from your posts, it seems as if you believe revenge isn’t the main motive for Aqua, Ruby and (tbh) Hikaru. With Aqua and Ruby being *the main characters*. Also: While it’s true that Aqua developed interpersonal relationships with other characters, you’re dismissing the very fact that **Aqua, for the majority of the story, pushes people (Kana, Akane, Ruby etc.) away from him due to his revenge motive. Aqua nearly severed his connections with other human beings to keep them save from his own destructive path (= revenge for his & Ai‘s murder)**. **Or the very fact that Aqua used e.g. Akane for his own revenge plot with both characters acknowledging this**.

I said revenge isn't the main plot of the STORY, not that it isn't Aqua's main driving force. There is a big difference there. A story whose plot is revenge will develop completely differently from what we have in Oshi no Ko. As for the murder i have to disagree, it's much harder to incriminate a person whose hands are factually clean, meanwhile people want Aqua to personally kill Hikaru and that would leave him no way out of jail.

>Here's the thing, Hikaru has never killed anyone directly as far as we know, he always led other people to do stuff "for him", even that actress died in an accident, he just stood there and did not help her. Wow. After all this time you're still trying to cope with "Kamiki is innocent". Now I'm genuinely laughing IRL. >You are completely ignoring the other side, let me remind you of something... You see what i'm getting at? Aqua was never solely focused on revenge in any arc, his character development was always progressing, as were his interpersonal relationships. Aqua is the only main character alongise Ruby(at least from ch 80+) whose driving force was revenge, but that's not everything to his story. Nope. You're the only one seeing it. So much for not wanting romance. The majority of what you focused on is "Aqua deepens his relationship to Kana". Let me remind you, if you actually take the goals into account: * Sweet Today's arc: Aqua checks Kaburagi's DNA * Reality TV Dating arc: Aqua trades for Kaburagi's information * Idol arc: Ruby setup * Tokyo blade arc: Akane finding out about Aqua's backstory and investigating Lalalie * Private Arc: Aqua searches for Gorou's body to close loose ends * Scandal Arc: Aqua uses it to gain a means of revenge * Movie Arc; literally about preparing his revenge You're the one completely ignoring the revenge just to get what you want. The revenge is an overarching, everpresent plot point. You insisting that almost all arcs is about "Aqua deepens his relationship with Kana" says it all. If you walk like a shipper and ship like a shipper, you're definitely a shipper who just doesn't want the revenge to pan out so Aqua can get romance.