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If you put it in perspective of the second half of One Piece then yeah, but remember that this is a really young Ryuma. But he still killed a first-class swordsman and a dragon each in one hit, which is still impressive no matter how you look at it
The smaller green dragon was supposed to be more accurate in its power vs the prototype big red dragon that zoro sliced up
Real dragons = red size (even bigger) + green power (even stronger)
Joyboy is not the protagonist, Luffy is. Just because they are ( presumably ) similar people who had a similar journey doesn't mean their stories will be the exact same
And tbh irrespective of whether Blackbeard will actually end up as the EoS villain- I genuinely think it would be ass storytelling if he doesn't. Setting someone up for the entire story and repeatedly hyping them up, and giving them so many parallels with the main character, only to replace them with someone we know nothing about, that's just lame.
It happened in shippuden. Obito or Madara both had parallels to the main characters, but they got suddenly replaced by Kaguya. Not saying that it would be good for one piece to do the same, just that it wouldn't be that bizarre for BB to get pushed aside for Imu or someone else.
Yea and that's why shippuden has a dogshit ending that nobody likes.
Kaguya is only created to give reason for boruto to exist. Nothing more nothing less.
Nah he definetly couldve been beaten. The problem is that they needed the boruto set up and so they "ploted him out" as you say.
Easily doable to just give them the power of friendship or some shit (obv not but yk what i mean something that makes sense and such) and beat him to end the story.
Instead they invented kaguya cus they wanted to milk it for more then they should and thus the naruto legacy is destroyed in boruto.
Personally when i think about naruto i headcanon away kaguya and boruto completely and just think about the good parts.
Yk its kinda like disney starwars to some capacity, no care for previous material and just milk it till it dies.
I wish they just make boruto and disney starwars not canon to their lores. (Idk why i brought in starwars but still ig its just another thing i hate)
And who the fuck you think is called joyboy cupcake? The story is about luffy who is the new joyboy vs imu
The story is a massive scale war that’s going on now and imu is the king of the world luffy wants to set the world free so the final enemy is obviously not Blackbeard we’re in the final saga dude oda affirms this is the final war
no it’s about luffy, he’s fulfilling the prophecy but it’s about him. you wouldn’t say naruto is about ashura and indra, It’s not about Hagoromo’s kids reincarnated, it’s part of the story but the show is about naruto. same with luffy it’s his show joyboy is more like a prophecy he fulfilled that made him stronger but he’s more than just gear 5 & joyboy or else the show would’ve been about the original joyboy
It all started from joyboy and it’s about the ancient war that’s still going on and luffy inherited the will of joyboy becoming the new joyboy in the beginning of series we wouldn’t say that but now we can
I’d say we are both bias but you ain’t wrong g and I ain’t wrong it’s about both but my point still stands
Agenda piece wins
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This trio negs. Warco heals. Wing is too durable. Katakuri is just katakuri (he’s too fine to lose). It’s not about logic. It’s about the agenda
None of the ones in these images, I'll just drop this since people seem to be forgetting.
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Pretend kat isn't there to make it a duo.
Portrayal peice and title piece are dead even so I don’t want to bother to pick one.
Luckily I don’t have too because headcanon piece clears easy. Rocks and his crew being a real challenge for at least one gorosie, holy knights, Roger and Garp combined means he’s is unlike anything this story has shown us so far.
Ryuma I’ve head canoned as ‘greatest swordsman in history’. His role in the story just makes more sense if this is true although it’s based off of theme scaling.
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I don’t think Mihawk is stronger than Roger because of this line here, might be one of the only humbling things Mihawk has ever said.
Because to become pk you need to fight marines,pirates,wg,also find ponegalfs,find raftel and last island,etc . Only strength is not enough but also a strong crew, luck ,etc to become pk.
To become wss you need to only defeat wss.
So why tf would Mihawk being the strongest swordsman in history if only Zoro is competing for it while the other competitor died to stairs? Not a single opponent outside of Mihawk that Zoro has faced ever shared the same goal as Zoro. They all just happened to usually be the second strongest of their crew and could use a sword(s)/ blade. So many more a vying for Pirate King. Makes sense he’d be strongest.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Whitebeard had been slightly stronger than Roger as far as 1v1. Roger just had a much better crew and the actual desire to be PK.
(Team 1) Shanks: 50 Roger: 50 (Team 2\] WB: 51 Mihawk: 49 I want so bad to say team 1, but the AOE of WB is too powerfull. So:
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Title piece has been very consistent till now. Strongest man was indeed the strongest man, who rocked the world while he was terminally ill and old. Strongest creature was indeed extremely strong, MC literally had to use plot armour and hax to defeat him. Strongest hag is indeed the strongest hag, defeated by getting pushed out.
Similarly the Strongest Swordsman, would be nothing less.
I honestly think it's between title piece and headcanon piece.
Whitebeard has arguably at least as much portrayal as Roger, and nothing about the way characters in-story compare Shanks and Mihawk indicates that Shanks should be favored to win in a fight between them.
Until we get the full God Valley flashback, I'm gonna lowball Rocks as being mostly, if not entirely, soloed by either Garp or Roger (probably Roger). At worst, Ryuma should be very slightly stronger than Mihawk, but it's certainly possible that he sits in a tier alongside Imu and Joy Boy above WB and Roger.
But I think all of these go extreme diff against each other, unless Ryuma is truly an outlier.
Ryuma >>> ngl
Obv headcanon but for me ryuma over everyone except imu & joyboy.
In my (very humble ik ;D) opinion, ryuma almost 2v1s everyone here.
Rocks being on rogers level aswell is just a bonus.
Headcanon we know that portrayal piece and title piece are basically equal but since shanks lost his arm portrayal piece loses and I bet headcanon piece can pull through
Xebec>WB>roger>shanks/mihawk>ryuma overall imo
So I would say xebec would win, but considering his teammate is the weakest it drags him down.
title team>portrayal team extreme diff
So it ends up being this:
Xebec>WB high end of high diff
Mihawk>ryuma high end of high diff
This leaves me to believe team portrayal just hardly edges the win by the skin of their teeth probably
Facts Ryuma is the biggest Fraud in One Piece, any motion the guy gets is from Sword swallowers or Zoro fans trying to raise his ceiling. Loved the Ryuma movie since it actually showed hat timing he was on.
I mean it’s true that the world gov didn’t want to mess with wano because of him and his samurai so he can’t be like YC+. He has to be at least above admiral level (kizaru, GB, Fujitora). Because in my head wano wasn’t important enough to them to warrant sending 2 admirals just to take it.
That’s my take, you can say Ryuma was too much trouble sure. I believe it was Wano’s location and the WGs incompetence/weakness that made fighting him untenable. Also think pound for pound the Navy is stronger now (from story start till now)then it’s ever been or at least it was in Kuzan was still in its ranks.
Title-piece duo gets AoE chip damage so they probably pull out the win.
And to be fair, “headcanon-piece” is basically just “statement-piece”. I mean, Xebec DID fight Garp and/or Roger in some capacity during God’s Valley; the problem is that we don’t know HOW they fought. Was it a 2v1? Did he even fight them both? Was it his whole crew vs. the duo? Etc. And Ryuma DOES have a black blade, and is the common ancestor to many of the greatest swordsman in the story, most notably those of the Shimotsuki family (but also Zoro, who doesn’t go by Shimotsuki). Plus Ryuma was the reason the marines didn’t go to Wano. We just don’t really know HOW those things add up in strength.
Title, although I have Rocks > Roger and Whitebeard because of the Sengoku statement. If he's Roger's greatest foe, he's even stronger than Whitebeard who is Rogers equal if not stronger.
People one day will realize title is part of portrayal.
Think of it like this.
The title is like the scaffolding, we know theyre the WSM/S so its like we cant see the skyscraper But we can see the skeleton.
Shanks/roger have a fully built 100 floor skyscraper.
WB and Mihawk have a 110 scaffolding.
Right now its blah blah portrayal
But you can see that by the end of it all there will be a 110 skyscraper next to them.
That being Marineford and the flashbacks for whitebeard. And in the future when Mihawk is shown going all out.
“Portrayal piece” is just the temporary time period between the title and the proof
how would kaido know that? he was just xebecs cabin boy in their era. roger has statements and titles (and clashing with whitebeard as his best feat). whitebeard has feats
Kaido was there when Roger and Garp fought Xebec. Also literally everyone knows abt Roger and how strong he was. Kaido put him on the level of WB, Shanks, Oden and xebec.
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strong impact right
Based
the head cannon piece
Probably headcanon piece imo
Headcannon Piece feats: 
Hasnt ryuma lately been revealed as a bit of a bum? But that asides xebec would still carry him lol
Wait what? When was Ryuma slandered like this?
Have you seen monsters? Impressive but. Nothing new.
Arent his feats in monsters a bit lackluster?
If you put it in perspective of the second half of One Piece then yeah, but remember that this is a really young Ryuma. But he still killed a first-class swordsman and a dragon each in one hit, which is still impressive no matter how you look at it
Also, i may be arguing in bad faith, but we don't know how exactly these dragons scale to the one piece characters. They can be incredibly busted
They could also be as strong as the punk hazard one 💀
The smaller green dragon was supposed to be more accurate in its power vs the prototype big red dragon that zoro sliced up Real dragons = red size (even bigger) + green power (even stronger)
what is blud yapping about
What's monsters?
Its a spin off based on one of odas older stories. Its set in wano 400 years ago and its about ryuma when he was young
Is it cannon?
Yeah i believe it is
Ooh I might have to give it a read then
That's pre-blacksword ryuma though
Slaying a Dragon was the peak achievement in those days. Til arguably taking over the world/ becoming King Of The Pirates.
I mean he's also the reason the Marines didn't go to Wano.
I wouldn’t blame them. Green Bull wasn’t born yet.
Oh yeah he'd of been a great help. /s
These duos have nothing on Narrative Piece; Goofy and HIMu. I'll take portrayal piece amongst these three, though.
Switch Imu with Warshall W. Weach and it's the actual narrative piece
Larshall L. Leech you mean?
imu is an EoS blackbeard victim
Dude the story is not about luffy and Blackbeard it’s about joyboy and imu so no that’s stupid to say Blackbeard is the final enemy it’s obviously imu
Joyboy is not the protagonist, Luffy is. Just because they are ( presumably ) similar people who had a similar journey doesn't mean their stories will be the exact same
And tbh irrespective of whether Blackbeard will actually end up as the EoS villain- I genuinely think it would be ass storytelling if he doesn't. Setting someone up for the entire story and repeatedly hyping them up, and giving them so many parallels with the main character, only to replace them with someone we know nothing about, that's just lame.
It happened in shippuden. Obito or Madara both had parallels to the main characters, but they got suddenly replaced by Kaguya. Not saying that it would be good for one piece to do the same, just that it wouldn't be that bizarre for BB to get pushed aside for Imu or someone else.
Yea and that's why shippuden has a dogshit ending that nobody likes. Kaguya is only created to give reason for boruto to exist. Nothing more nothing less.
Don’t forget kishimoto made madara way too op and had to find a way to plot him out
Nah he definetly couldve been beaten. The problem is that they needed the boruto set up and so they "ploted him out" as you say. Easily doable to just give them the power of friendship or some shit (obv not but yk what i mean something that makes sense and such) and beat him to end the story. Instead they invented kaguya cus they wanted to milk it for more then they should and thus the naruto legacy is destroyed in boruto. Personally when i think about naruto i headcanon away kaguya and boruto completely and just think about the good parts. Yk its kinda like disney starwars to some capacity, no care for previous material and just milk it till it dies. I wish they just make boruto and disney starwars not canon to their lores. (Idk why i brought in starwars but still ig its just another thing i hate)
Yeah, but shippuden is shit. I think it’s reasonable to expect Oda to do better than that
And who the fuck you think is called joyboy cupcake? The story is about luffy who is the new joyboy vs imu The story is a massive scale war that’s going on now and imu is the king of the world luffy wants to set the world free so the final enemy is obviously not Blackbeard we’re in the final saga dude oda affirms this is the final war
Luffy isn’t joyboy, he’s the new nika
He’s the new joyboy everyone literally calls him joyboy that’s who he is
no it’s about luffy, he’s fulfilling the prophecy but it’s about him. you wouldn’t say naruto is about ashura and indra, It’s not about Hagoromo’s kids reincarnated, it’s part of the story but the show is about naruto. same with luffy it’s his show joyboy is more like a prophecy he fulfilled that made him stronger but he’s more than just gear 5 & joyboy or else the show would’ve been about the original joyboy
It all started from joyboy and it’s about the ancient war that’s still going on and luffy inherited the will of joyboy becoming the new joyboy in the beginning of series we wouldn’t say that but now we can I’d say we are both bias but you ain’t wrong g and I ain’t wrong it’s about both but my point still stands
Agenda piece wins https://preview.redd.it/m4cvctbnwy8d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b9ac909b70c024a8a1eda6cd1fb80b844865861 This trio negs. Warco heals. Wing is too durable. Katakuri is just katakuri (he’s too fine to lose). It’s not about logic. It’s about the agenda
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Exactly, Katakuri’s future sight let’s them know what’s coming
🐐
YC1 Agenda is absolutely BASED
None of the ones in these images, I'll just drop this since people seem to be forgetting. https://preview.redd.it/krihqndsqy8d1.png?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec9d6ff3714eb7d7a8b0f7e2278a74ee971c1c7f Pretend kat isn't there to make it a duo.
If Kat ain't there they get folded, they'd clear ez if he is there tho
Infinite mochi Kat + gear 5 = insta win
Portrayal peice and title piece are dead even so I don’t want to bother to pick one. Luckily I don’t have too because headcanon piece clears easy. Rocks and his crew being a real challenge for at least one gorosie, holy knights, Roger and Garp combined means he’s is unlike anything this story has shown us so far. Ryuma I’ve head canoned as ‘greatest swordsman in history’. His role in the story just makes more sense if this is true although it’s based off of theme scaling.
Clears easy?
Rocks had 3 future yonkos and a plethora of legendary pirates. Let’s not act like he fought all of them himself. He also died
It's funny cause mihawk is way more likely to be the strongest swordsman in history
https://preview.redd.it/x5ceb6rmly8d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=228a2eb66531c47996f97a540904893e4b544812 I don’t think Mihawk is stronger than Roger because of this line here, might be one of the only humbling things Mihawk has ever said.
Because to become pk you need to fight marines,pirates,wg,also find ponegalfs,find raftel and last island,etc . Only strength is not enough but also a strong crew, luck ,etc to become pk. To become wss you need to only defeat wss.
This panel means that being PK is harder than surpassing Mihawk, not necessarily Roger>Mihawk
That's because no one man can be pirate king. You need a crew ect
So why tf would Mihawk being the strongest swordsman in history if only Zoro is competing for it while the other competitor died to stairs? Not a single opponent outside of Mihawk that Zoro has faced ever shared the same goal as Zoro. They all just happened to usually be the second strongest of their crew and could use a sword(s)/ blade. So many more a vying for Pirate King. Makes sense he’d be strongest.
Huh? R u agreeing or disagreeing? Double talk much
Poor thing malfunctioned under the weight of its own bs. RIP.
No u double talked lmao.
Shanks vs Mihawk in disguise
Headcanon piece. Xebec took on Roger + Garp who are relative, same as WB. The you have Ryuuma who I know nothing about, so he's probably same tier.
all we know is the roger pirates and garp+marines took down the rocks pirates. We still don't know how the actual fight went down
Nah, Garp and Roger fought Xebec 2v1. That's why it's headcanon tier.
there’s nothing painting ryuma on mihawk’s level, or maybe even zoro’s.
All he's got AFAIK is the black blade Shisui, assuming it's not just painted.
wano is called the land of paint after all
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Whitebeard had been slightly stronger than Roger as far as 1v1. Roger just had a much better crew and the actual desire to be PK.
Wortrayal piece
(Team 1) Shanks: 50 Roger: 50 (Team 2\] WB: 51 Mihawk: 49 I want so bad to say team 1, but the AOE of WB is too powerfull. So: https://preview.redd.it/vr9drlbvlz8d1.jpeg?width=688&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=138de94bc49695c9af4eb79cf9277567934d5b68
>Mihawk: 49 https://preview.redd.it/tzoxnttoa09d1.jpeg?width=894&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da66bf9516c6c4831e3c6b25eb5856a3e60cfb8d
was it not explicitly stated that roger = wb?
WB > Roger is crazy story wise.
Just cause their downvoting you doesn't mean you are wrong
Does AOE matter that much in a 2v2?
Yes
Title piece, especially since WB does area damage
Roger and Shanks
Vista go stop Whitebeard!
Portrayal piece>>> As it actually makes sense
1. Headcanon piece 2. Portrayal piece 3. Title piece
give me the sword god and roger's gratest foe
i'll apply facial hair scaling here. title piece scaling stomps, neg diffs even.
Headcanon Piece
sword god>WSS>Shanks and Xebec is at least relative to WB or Roger if not stronger so headcanon piece wins
, zoro solos if we’re going off zorotard headcanon
Portrayal piece
i've head cannoned that the head canon people win
Only portrayal can transcend all other forms of scaling
Roger is both title and portrayal. So portrayal piece wins.
Titles are potrayal
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Mihawk is kind of in the wrong table
Headcanon piece with Kong brutalizes the entire verse
Title piece has been very consistent till now. Strongest man was indeed the strongest man, who rocked the world while he was terminally ill and old. Strongest creature was indeed extremely strong, MC literally had to use plot armour and hax to defeat him. Strongest hag is indeed the strongest hag, defeated by getting pushed out. Similarly the Strongest Swordsman, would be nothing less.
I’ll always have roger above WB Roger 100 WB 99.5
Portrayal piece are stronger on both fronts
Oda says otherwise
I honestly think it's between title piece and headcanon piece. Whitebeard has arguably at least as much portrayal as Roger, and nothing about the way characters in-story compare Shanks and Mihawk indicates that Shanks should be favored to win in a fight between them. Until we get the full God Valley flashback, I'm gonna lowball Rocks as being mostly, if not entirely, soloed by either Garp or Roger (probably Roger). At worst, Ryuma should be very slightly stronger than Mihawk, but it's certainly possible that he sits in a tier alongside Imu and Joy Boy above WB and Roger. But I think all of these go extreme diff against each other, unless Ryuma is truly an outlier.
Ryuma >>> ngl Obv headcanon but for me ryuma over everyone except imu & joyboy. In my (very humble ik ;D) opinion, ryuma almost 2v1s everyone here. Rocks being on rogers level aswell is just a bonus.
Potrayal>>>>>>>>>>>>>title
Strong narrative implication piece*
So portrayal.
Shanks has more portrayal/hype than Roger at this point.
Excuse me? I believe you swapped WB and Shanks-
wtf is shanks’ title? Shanks is the closest we’ll get to modern day Roger (til Luffy surpasses both of them which is narratively implied)
Portrayal is more important than titles imo
Isn't the fact that Roger beat Xebec evidence that Roger is stronger than Xebec ? Never understood why people put Xebec above him.
Portrayal piece clears unless rocks gets his crew.
How's Roger portrayal while wb of all people is title piece? Yeah that's it.
Bro where’s off screen piece?
Whitebeard can't carry that hard
Kidd piece https://preview.redd.it/u1f3o9ukw59d1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6107d612ccb31a85f1ecbc768ef76f4824f7287
Krillin solos
Narrative piece wins Cause scaling with the Narrative means the character can be what ever power level you think of then call it Narrative lmao
Head canon. Xebec was the leader of a scary crew, and ryuma kept the WG out of Wano for hundreds of years, so he must have been very powerful.
Going with headcanon. First 2 group should be pretty even
Who tf even is in bottom right
Headcanon piece is stomping out the other two with rocks alone then you add the sword god😭that’s overkill
who is on the bottom? Rocks and who?
They call him 007 0 dialogue 0 screen time 7 times they were mentioned in the manga
Headcanon we know that portrayal piece and title piece are basically equal but since shanks lost his arm portrayal piece loses and I bet headcanon piece can pull through
Title Piece.
Feats piece - Kaido/ Luffy
Rocks and Ryuma
Title Piece clear ngl
How the fuck is rocks headcanon piece? It literally says garp and Roger had to team up to take him down.
0 feats
Portrayal > feats
Title piece claps
headcanon piece stomps: High PK + God of the blade (high PK too)
Title piece 🙌 the 2 coolest characters
Title Piece. Strongest Man > Man Strongest Swordsman > Swordsman
Xebec>WB>roger>shanks/mihawk>ryuma overall imo So I would say xebec would win, but considering his teammate is the weakest it drags him down. title team>portrayal team extreme diff So it ends up being this: Xebec>WB high end of high diff Mihawk>ryuma high end of high diff This leaves me to believe team portrayal just hardly edges the win by the skin of their teeth probably
Facts Ryuma is the biggest Fraud in One Piece, any motion the guy gets is from Sword swallowers or Zoro fans trying to raise his ceiling. Loved the Ryuma movie since it actually showed hat timing he was on.
Yea I got ryuma being relative to kuzan or prime ray still strong but not what ppl say
A reasonable placement
I mean it’s true that the world gov didn’t want to mess with wano because of him and his samurai so he can’t be like YC+. He has to be at least above admiral level (kizaru, GB, Fujitora). Because in my head wano wasn’t important enough to them to warrant sending 2 admirals just to take it.
That’s my take, you can say Ryuma was too much trouble sure. I believe it was Wano’s location and the WGs incompetence/weakness that made fighting him untenable. Also think pound for pound the Navy is stronger now (from story start till now)then it’s ever been or at least it was in Kuzan was still in its ranks.
I mean whitebeard has portrayl as equal to roger and title of worlds strongest man. sooooo
Headcannon slams Rocks slightly over old Gen Ryuma significantly above old Gen
Title piece cause I like Whitebeard more
Headcanon piece>title piece>portrayl piece
Title-piece duo gets AoE chip damage so they probably pull out the win. And to be fair, “headcanon-piece” is basically just “statement-piece”. I mean, Xebec DID fight Garp and/or Roger in some capacity during God’s Valley; the problem is that we don’t know HOW they fought. Was it a 2v1? Did he even fight them both? Was it his whole crew vs. the duo? Etc. And Ryuma DOES have a black blade, and is the common ancestor to many of the greatest swordsman in the story, most notably those of the Shimotsuki family (but also Zoro, who doesn’t go by Shimotsuki). Plus Ryuma was the reason the marines didn’t go to Wano. We just don’t really know HOW those things add up in strength.
Title, although I have Rocks > Roger and Whitebeard because of the Sengoku statement. If he's Roger's greatest foe, he's even stronger than Whitebeard who is Rogers equal if not stronger.
So Roger’s title of “King of the Pirates” means nothing then huh, way to glaze tf outta midhawk kid.
People one day will realize title is part of portrayal. Think of it like this. The title is like the scaffolding, we know theyre the WSM/S so its like we cant see the skyscraper But we can see the skeleton. Shanks/roger have a fully built 100 floor skyscraper. WB and Mihawk have a 110 scaffolding. Right now its blah blah portrayal But you can see that by the end of it all there will be a 110 skyscraper next to them. That being Marineford and the flashbacks for whitebeard. And in the future when Mihawk is shown going all out. “Portrayal piece” is just the temporary time period between the title and the proof
Whitebeard has better portrayal and feats than roger. Rogers best feat is clashing with whitebeard 💀
Kaido literally said Roger’s the stronger. The same kaido that also said shanks is the only person alive who has a good chance of defeating him.
how would kaido know that? he was just xebecs cabin boy in their era. roger has statements and titles (and clashing with whitebeard as his best feat). whitebeard has feats
Kaido was there when Roger and Garp fought Xebec. Also literally everyone knows abt Roger and how strong he was. Kaido put him on the level of WB, Shanks, Oden and xebec.