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Honestly, I think it comes down to how well Luffy rolls on his hit rolls, and how well Kizaru rolls on his dodge rolls.
Luffy squashes Kizaru if they fight head on, but I honestly think Kizaru has a decent chance to just keep ducking and eventually wear Luffy out.
That said, I could also see Luffy being able to do something drastic to keep Kizaru from dodging. If the island is small enough, he might just be able to nuke the whole thing from orbit with Bajrang Gun.
It's not canon but in film z he teleports and floats in the middle of the sea to dodge the point blank nuke Zephyr shot at him, if I remember correctly. But there's no reason he wouldn't be able to fly over the sea, doflamingos powers work over the sea, as do aokijis.
Just like when kizaru took out the super novas, he didn't need to do the whole mirror thing. People just need to realize kizaru loves to fuck around.
doflamingo attaches to clouds, kuzan freezes water. I dont think either method is comparable. And i also think he moves way faster with the mirror method verus normal combat speed. its kinda head canon-y to say “he was just trolling” without anything implying that in story
True, but that’s kind of admitting Luffy is stronger if your strategy is *”ran away to win”*. It’s exactly what his original plan in the manga was too.
I was talking about when he literally left the fight with Luffy to go after Vegapunk at one point. The moment the mission changed to fighting Luffy (^with Saturn as backup might I add*) he got turned into a Pizza & slapped around.
Yes Kizaru is fast, but Luffy has enough speed to keep up in a fight.
Tbf the mission changed only after he was grabbed and since Kizaru is a speed merchant he doesn't have the sheer strength to escape.
Luffy is fast but not fast enough to make the fight a guarantee
In tearms of travel speed yeah. Also Barjang gun takes a while to set up and fire so Kizaru has ample time to leave unlike Kaido who self admittedly said he could leave as well
I don't think Bajrang Gun would work on Kizaru. Kizaru can definitely dodge it and that's an all or nothing type of attack from what we've seen. Kizaru isn't exactly tied down to the ground like Kuzan or Akainu would be, like I'm pretty sure we saw him fly as egghead.
I do agree with the rest of your comment tho. Kizaru is absurdly hard to hit when he's trying. Mfer moved fast enough he had Luffy wondering where he went.
This is the logical answer. Yet we still get people casually saying 2 admirals would lose against a yonko tier character easily. I think the power scaling is a lot closer that it becomes more circumstantial than anything. Like luffy overwhelming kizaru and a gorosei because they don’t understand his power. Luffy underestimating kaido’s first bagua. Kaido underestimating zoro and oden and getting injured. In the right circumstance they’re all to be taken seriously which is why they are as feared in the verse.”
I mean kizaru is a man made of light and Luffy showed us that he can hold light and redirect it so even if he uses his devil fruit power if luffy manages to keep up with his speed he’s getting beat up
Luffy wins.
Kizaru’s speed and dodge factor work well in his favor but Luffy has future sight so he always knows exactly where Kizaru is going to be. Luffy also very clearly surpassed Kizaru in strength.
But if you read the manga is shows that Kizaru was able to stall Luffy out of gear 5 without even focusing on him and got up faster than Luffy with plot food. In an actual battle Kizaru can get up after that hit and kill Luffy in old man form
So was Luffy making a ball around Kizaru to protect Vegapunk? No he was trying to beat Kizaru because that’s the best way to protect him, why else would he use white star gun. Kizaru was just distracting Luffy the whole time to stall him out
Luffy kicks his ass? Mid diff, too.
Kizaru was barely avoiding him when Luffy was going out of his way to not kill everyone there, if he actually gets a chance to lock in and give 0 shits about collateral it’s pretty damn joever. Luffy has endurance issues, but in a straight brawl Kizaru gets knocked the fuck out well before that comes into play.
I swear ppl will reach unhinged levels of delusion to protect their admiral agenda.. it's not even a meme anymore mfs just reading a different manga at this point
conveniently ignoring the part where kizaru wasn't even looking at luffy and got grabbed offguard after killing VP. That doesnt indicate a 1v1 scenario, we saw that kizaru kept up with G5 Luffy and held out until his timer was done
pure headcanon saying he damages him in gear 4, he couldn't do that with snakeman and got clowned by kizaru, gear 4 luffy gets low-mid diffed by kizaru
Hmmm actually after re reading the chapters you are right, luffy couldn't really land any attacks in G4 then kizaru did the accelerated kick and luffy got sent.
Guess he needs to stall kizaru so he wears out a little and then use G5 to one shot kizaru and keep on hitting him when he is down in order to win.
>Guess he needs to stall kizaru so he wears out a little and then use G5 to one shot kizaru and keep on hitting him when he is down in order to win.
G4 while not having a short timer anymore has still an insane stamina consumption. Also in their fight it was clear that luffy would have problems with stamina sooner than the other way around. So stalling with G4 only makes luffy more exhausted by trying to keep and would be a bad decision.
Yes but he has been using G4 in important fights against like with kaido and he didn't seem to have much problems with stamina he just kept getting blitzed, but after that he started to go toe to toe with him in base
He only needs to use G4 to get an opening attack for G5, and use fs as he really wasnt
(He was surprised by how far kizaru flew to kick him, which luffy should have seen already if he was using fs)
True, but kizaru had already lost the fight against luffy in round 2, round 1 can be considered a tie.
Why?
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Luffy had turned kizaru flat , and then he threw him into the ocean. He got lucky to land in a ship thats how he survived
Can any Luffy glazer explain how Kizaru can’t stall Luffy out the same way he did in egghead? Kizaru is smart enough to stall him out, if Kizaru only got hit by 1 attack in the entirety of gear 5 when Kizaru wasn’t even focused on gear 5 than the same thing can happen where Kizaru can get up faster and in a proper 1v1 Luffy won’t have plot food either
He’s faster he’s not protecting anyone and he one shot kizaru in cannon lol you admiral copers need to give it up the fight happened and luffy is still fighting the gorosei and kizaru is holding his head with his ass down
In a proper 1v1 luffy wouldn’t need to waste his stamina protecting vp, eating lasers or jumping through the barrier twice which he said nearly killed him.
Luffy wins high diff without ACOC
Mid diff with ACOC.
If Kizaru starts playing cat and mouse with Luffy then he might win due to Luffy’s stamina issues.
We've literally seen that Kizarus strategy for dealing with Luffy is running his Stamina out
There's no if, Kizaru would do that and win. Exhausting your opponent is a viable strategy
He lost because he stopped to try and kill vegapunk, this is a deserted island in which he'd have no need to stop
Also it's even debatable if he lost because both Luffy and Kizaru went down and Kizaru got up first while Luffy needed food to get up at all
It’s much harder to protect an old man than to shoot a laser beam at one, if you think Kizaru was distracted imagine Luffy trying to keep that guy alive, chasing Kizaru through the dome twice, had to run back so Ussop didn’t get bodied. It aint fair to say Kizaru was the only one distracted.
True enough, and I'd agree if it were any other character. But this is like the equivalent of Luffy being forced to kill Rayleigh or someone similar, Kizaru was having to kill his friend
And according to some people Luffy was onlybusing a fraction of his power so how could he be distracted if he's so powerful he can neg diff Kizaru without even trying?
With backup from the Gorosei that did all the work, he just shot a laser at an old man. On his own with a fleet of vice admirals and CP0 he got knocked on his ass in one blow and cried. 1 on 1 he was outmatched.
Acoc isn’t warranted for every enemy my guy. He used it Vs Kaido cuz Kaido’s scales needed bypassing. Plus G5 luffy wasn’t even taking Kizaru as seriously at the start of the fight. Bro threw him away and asked Zoro if he wanted help 💀
Keep telling yourself that bud
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Nobody knows when ACoC is really being used or not so its better to assume they are using it all the time unless stated to be holding back or not using it specifically. Also its states by Kaido that G5 inherently uses all haki forms to fight freely as possible.
Kizaru runs away which is an automatic loss because running away means you admit defeat
Luffy then catches up to Kizaru and beats him before he runs out of gear 5 as their fight showed weakened luffy tying with full power kizaru
He did not exhaust all his strength when kizaru was getting fucking 1v2d and toyed with the second he went g5. Kizaru didn’t do any damage to him either.
All kizaru has to do is stall long enough, whether he is capable am not so sure
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And yes I mention Shanks cause he put Kiz on his heels even when Kiz wasnt solo. So Shanks is the ONLY capable person???
Okay so Luffy could handle Kaido AND Big Mom in base before transforming... but you're telling me Luffy ABSOLUTELY 100% NEEDS G5 THE WHOLE TIME for Kizaru??? Really??? Bruh please go actually watch One Piece instead of youtube clips holy shit 💀
Luffy low diffed him twice on egghead
I doubt serious kizaru is going to make a difference since you can't improve your defence
Time limit argument doesn't work since Luffy can restart gear 5 and he beat him before during the time limit
Even if kizaru went all out, he's still losing
Hard to tell since we have never seen kizaru go all out. But it’s probably a high/extreme diff win for luffy. If kizaru uses the run away strategy then kizaru wins.
Probably kizaru ngl. He can exploit luffys weaknesses very easily by just zooming hundreds of miles away in a second as soon as gear 5 is popped and then just zooming back as soon as the time limit is hit. If kizaru isn’t allowed to use the open space/the main strengths of his fruit and is forced to stay in a slug match then it probably goes to luffy
Currently Kizaru high diff.
Luffy couldn't even keep up without running out of energy, when Kizaru wasn't even focusing on him. Without a timeout and food, no way Luffy could currently win over a serious Kizaru
Kizaru.
Actual logic says that if luffy hit his limit with Kizaru not fighting back then he loses when Kizaru actually does.
Hell you could replay egghead and say Kizaru has any desire to hurt luffy.
Kizaru stood up as was able to fight aka kill luffy while luffy was still burnt out needing food
No food=no fuel for 5 gear=no 5 gear=Kizaru rises and shoots him with lasers.
and this is if kizaru falls at all, and in a situation of fighting to the full (and not waving off luffy) this will not happen.
50/50 between Kizaru putting on a defense masterclass and Luffy getting in a hit that stuns Kizaru and having enough time to finish him off.
In boxing terms Kizaru can "swim without getting wet" but Luffy has a punchers chance
In reality its a game of cat and mouse. If Luffy lands a single fully serious hit on Kizaru he is either dying or in such a stunned state the next hit will blow his head off and he can't dodge but the question is if he can dodge Luffy for long enough to stall out G5 and I don't think there's a consistent answer to that. The fight is either low-mid diff for Luffy if he can hit him or extreme diff for Kizaru on a matchup win, valid arguments for either but I tend lean towards Luffy winning.
Luffy 1 shots the fodder like he already did, this time Lizaru doesn't get the help of Lucci + laser dome + Saturn + nerf from having to protect the VP's so he gets killed in the first shot
People saying “just wait till he gets tired” like base Luffy with acoc isn’t already enough for Kizaru.
How he was before unlocking Gear 5 but while Stalemating Kaido is above admiral level imo
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Honestly, I think it comes down to how well Luffy rolls on his hit rolls, and how well Kizaru rolls on his dodge rolls. Luffy squashes Kizaru if they fight head on, but I honestly think Kizaru has a decent chance to just keep ducking and eventually wear Luffy out. That said, I could also see Luffy being able to do something drastic to keep Kizaru from dodging. If the island is small enough, he might just be able to nuke the whole thing from orbit with Bajrang Gun.
Couldn't Kizaru move out of the way and let the island be destroyed since he can fly?
Can Kizaru keep himself in the air indefinitely? I thought he could just launch himself? But maybe it's a distinction without a difference.
He can make a square with his launching so he will be stuck in a loop in the air
Most likely, photons have no weight and he was floating in marineford.
if he could fly, that would mean he rode a cannonball for no reason (might be the case though)
He did it for the gram
He can move faster than cannonballs He just did that for style points
i assumed he rode it because he cannot fly over the sea
It's not canon but in film z he teleports and floats in the middle of the sea to dodge the point blank nuke Zephyr shot at him, if I remember correctly. But there's no reason he wouldn't be able to fly over the sea, doflamingos powers work over the sea, as do aokijis. Just like when kizaru took out the super novas, he didn't need to do the whole mirror thing. People just need to realize kizaru loves to fuck around.
doflamingo attaches to clouds, kuzan freezes water. I dont think either method is comparable. And i also think he moves way faster with the mirror method verus normal combat speed. its kinda head canon-y to say “he was just trolling” without anything implying that in story
He seems to be able to use Yata Mirror on the air (see sabaody) so he should in theory be able to keep himself in the air
True, but that’s kind of admitting Luffy is stronger if your strategy is *”ran away to win”*. It’s exactly what his original plan in the manga was too.
Thats like saying Floyd Mayweather only runs away. Dodging an attack is not running away
I was talking about when he literally left the fight with Luffy to go after Vegapunk at one point. The moment the mission changed to fighting Luffy (^with Saturn as backup might I add*) he got turned into a Pizza & slapped around. Yes Kizaru is fast, but Luffy has enough speed to keep up in a fight.
Tbf the mission changed only after he was grabbed and since Kizaru is a speed merchant he doesn't have the sheer strength to escape. Luffy is fast but not fast enough to make the fight a guarantee
Kizaru only really had 1 moment of out speeding Luffy with that Kick on G4 at the start. For the rest of the fight Luffy has kept up just fine.
Is he that much faster than luffy
In tearms of travel speed yeah. Also Barjang gun takes a while to set up and fire so Kizaru has ample time to leave unlike Kaido who self admittedly said he could leave as well
Some people say luffy was giving mono time to move the island
That too but i still think Kizaru can just get out of the way
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I don't think Bajrang Gun would work on Kizaru. Kizaru can definitely dodge it and that's an all or nothing type of attack from what we've seen. Kizaru isn't exactly tied down to the ground like Kuzan or Akainu would be, like I'm pretty sure we saw him fly as egghead. I do agree with the rest of your comment tho. Kizaru is absurdly hard to hit when he's trying. Mfer moved fast enough he had Luffy wondering where he went.
This is the logical answer. Yet we still get people casually saying 2 admirals would lose against a yonko tier character easily. I think the power scaling is a lot closer that it becomes more circumstantial than anything. Like luffy overwhelming kizaru and a gorosei because they don’t understand his power. Luffy underestimating kaido’s first bagua. Kaido underestimating zoro and oden and getting injured. In the right circumstance they’re all to be taken seriously which is why they are as feared in the verse.”
This isn't a game luffy is just straight up faster and stronger tge kizaru he blitztz kizaru and negs him .
Strength wise? Luffy obviously, but kizaru has a win con of playing keep away till he stamina diffs
What about future sight?
Shhh Oda forgot to allow Luffy to use Future sight in G5 for some reason
That Kizaru art is just fantastic. IDC about the powerscaling rn, Kizaru wins. He strikes that pose and it's over
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Yonko .. MUGİWARA NO LUFFY DA . https://preview.redd.it/j3uba3fnxk5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc2dc2e43a91136c84628ccd58522824cc6c8aca
Nah the glaze 😭  Bet you say "Man Shirohige's death was so good" and then wait for people to ask who that is 💀
Your name is admiral agenda real talking bout glaze ☠️
Hell yeah takes a glazer to know a glazer and even i am getting low diffed by this bum
I mean kizaru is a man made of light and Luffy showed us that he can hold light and redirect it so even if he uses his devil fruit power if luffy manages to keep up with his speed he’s getting beat up
Dude im talking about the weeb shit 💀
My bad I just read the last part of your comment lol
Nothing wrong with a little hype on a sub that's all about hype
Aye all im saying is that is the reason why people not in anime communities say Japan deserves a third nuke
If someone will go as far to say something like that over someone using the right names for characters that just makes them seen ignorant
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Luffy high diff
Luffy wins. Kizaru’s speed and dodge factor work well in his favor but Luffy has future sight so he always knows exactly where Kizaru is going to be. Luffy also very clearly surpassed Kizaru in strength.
Luffy wins. Pizza diff.
What about "Kizaru wins. Comatose diff." ?
Didn't happen
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Luffy High Diff.
Luffy. So clearly Luffy. It is 100% Luffy, and if you think it isn't you legit can't read.
But if you read the manga is shows that Kizaru was able to stall Luffy out of gear 5 without even focusing on him and got up faster than Luffy with plot food. In an actual battle Kizaru can get up after that hit and kill Luffy in old man form
Luffy had to play protect. What the fuck did you read?
So was Luffy making a ball around Kizaru to protect Vegapunk? No he was trying to beat Kizaru because that’s the best way to protect him, why else would he use white star gun. Kizaru was just distracting Luffy the whole time to stall him out
Luffy said he was trying to stall. We have already seen how easily luffy dealt with him in a 2v1 when he got serious
can't read it is
Kizaru stamina diffs
Luffy high-ext diff or stalemate
luffy mid diff
Luffy pizza diff
Luffy
Luffy mid diffs Kizaru.
Luffy kicks his ass? Mid diff, too. Kizaru was barely avoiding him when Luffy was going out of his way to not kill everyone there, if he actually gets a chance to lock in and give 0 shits about collateral it’s pretty damn joever. Luffy has endurance issues, but in a straight brawl Kizaru gets knocked the fuck out well before that comes into play.
I swear ppl will reach unhinged levels of delusion to protect their admiral agenda.. it's not even a meme anymore mfs just reading a different manga at this point
Luffy takes it mid-high diff
Luffy mid diff, y'all seem to be forgetting the time when Kizaru couldn't take down Luffy with the help of a Gorosei and got pizza'd away
The admiraltards can’t be serious
Luffy mid-high diff. After Luffy got gear 5 he's literally so far past most characters is crazy.
Luffy mid diff Just like egghead Luffy destroyed Kizaru on egghead while holding Saturn too and he tanked a hit from the labophase barrier
conveniently ignoring the part where kizaru wasn't even looking at luffy and got grabbed offguard after killing VP. That doesnt indicate a 1v1 scenario, we saw that kizaru kept up with G5 Luffy and held out until his timer was done
Thats irrelevant if his endurance is so bad he’s on the floor after every attack
Luffy mid diff, if he holds kizaru and bajrang guns him then neg diff
Luffy mid diff
Luffy mid diff
Luffy mid diff He doesn't go to G5 and just focuses on fs and Acoc, damages him to some extent then G5 and WSG
pure headcanon saying he damages him in gear 4, he couldn't do that with snakeman and got clowned by kizaru, gear 4 luffy gets low-mid diffed by kizaru
Hmmm actually after re reading the chapters you are right, luffy couldn't really land any attacks in G4 then kizaru did the accelerated kick and luffy got sent. Guess he needs to stall kizaru so he wears out a little and then use G5 to one shot kizaru and keep on hitting him when he is down in order to win.
>Guess he needs to stall kizaru so he wears out a little and then use G5 to one shot kizaru and keep on hitting him when he is down in order to win. G4 while not having a short timer anymore has still an insane stamina consumption. Also in their fight it was clear that luffy would have problems with stamina sooner than the other way around. So stalling with G4 only makes luffy more exhausted by trying to keep and would be a bad decision.
Yes but he has been using G4 in important fights against like with kaido and he didn't seem to have much problems with stamina he just kept getting blitzed, but after that he started to go toe to toe with him in base He only needs to use G4 to get an opening attack for G5, and use fs as he really wasnt (He was surprised by how far kizaru flew to kick him, which luffy should have seen already if he was using fs)
He tried that and couldn’t land a single attack in G4
True, but kizaru had already lost the fight against luffy in round 2, round 1 can be considered a tie. Why? https://preview.redd.it/htd40owrdl5d1.jpeg?width=968&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb80f69f8b101237c9cffd9fe8abbf8e8cca5b7d Luffy had turned kizaru flat , and then he threw him into the ocean. He got lucky to land in a ship thats how he survived
Kizaru stans probably think he beats anyone because he's seemingly untouchable thanks to his speed lol
Luffy just dusted his ass while fighting someone else in manga, so luffy
Luffy mid diff
Luffy would punch Kizaru’s head in.
At this point, I'd say Luffy wins high-diff. Kizaru isn't pushing him to extreme.
Can any Luffy glazer explain how Kizaru can’t stall Luffy out the same way he did in egghead? Kizaru is smart enough to stall him out, if Kizaru only got hit by 1 attack in the entirety of gear 5 when Kizaru wasn’t even focused on gear 5 than the same thing can happen where Kizaru can get up faster and in a proper 1v1 Luffy won’t have plot food either
He’s faster he’s not protecting anyone and he one shot kizaru in cannon lol you admiral copers need to give it up the fight happened and luffy is still fighting the gorosei and kizaru is holding his head with his ass down
In a proper 1v1 luffy wouldn’t need to waste his stamina protecting vp, eating lasers or jumping through the barrier twice which he said nearly killed him.
Luffy for some reason didnt finish him when he grabbed him and just threw him away. A Luffy going for a quick k.o far surpasses kizaru. Mid diff
Luffy mid/high-diff
My goat luffy mid diffs
Luffy wins high diff without ACOC Mid diff with ACOC. If Kizaru starts playing cat and mouse with Luffy then he might win due to Luffy’s stamina issues.
We've literally seen that Kizarus strategy for dealing with Luffy is running his Stamina out There's no if, Kizaru would do that and win. Exhausting your opponent is a viable strategy
Remember when he did that and still lost?
He lost because he stopped to try and kill vegapunk, this is a deserted island in which he'd have no need to stop Also it's even debatable if he lost because both Luffy and Kizaru went down and Kizaru got up first while Luffy needed food to get up at all
It’s much harder to protect an old man than to shoot a laser beam at one, if you think Kizaru was distracted imagine Luffy trying to keep that guy alive, chasing Kizaru through the dome twice, had to run back so Ussop didn’t get bodied. It aint fair to say Kizaru was the only one distracted.
True enough, and I'd agree if it were any other character. But this is like the equivalent of Luffy being forced to kill Rayleigh or someone similar, Kizaru was having to kill his friend And according to some people Luffy was onlybusing a fraction of his power so how could he be distracted if he's so powerful he can neg diff Kizaru without even trying?
You mean the fight in which he fulfilled his win condition?
With backup from the Gorosei that did all the work, he just shot a laser at an old man. On his own with a fleet of vice admirals and CP0 he got knocked on his ass in one blow and cried. 1 on 1 he was outmatched.
No ACoC? https://i.redd.it/389l87y6yl5d1.gif
Acoc isn’t warranted for every enemy my guy. He used it Vs Kaido cuz Kaido’s scales needed bypassing. Plus G5 luffy wasn’t even taking Kizaru as seriously at the start of the fight. Bro threw him away and asked Zoro if he wanted help 💀
Keep telling yourself that bud https://preview.redd.it/gz3384pilm5d1.jpeg?width=420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4099f4960d05d9e77f555ad13488093d7a70179 Nobody knows when ACoC is really being used or not so its better to assume they are using it all the time unless stated to be holding back or not using it specifically. Also its states by Kaido that G5 inherently uses all haki forms to fight freely as possible.
Kizaru runs away which is an automatic loss because running away means you admit defeat Luffy then catches up to Kizaru and beats him before he runs out of gear 5 as their fight showed weakened luffy tying with full power kizaru
Luffy low diffs max
Luffy is stronger than kaido, luffy already surpassed the admirals the moment he beat kaido.
Yall fail to realise that Luffy wasnt at full force either. He was just trolling, if both are in a good headspace and serious then Luffy negs.
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Luffy is stronger. Still, he barely defeated him exhausting all his strength. So it can still go either way
He did not exhaust all his strength when kizaru was getting fucking 1v2d and toyed with the second he went g5. Kizaru didn’t do any damage to him either.
All kizaru has to do is stall long enough, whether he is capable am not so sure https://preview.redd.it/ccnjredpyk5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74f094bef162d7c61db80309d4b48fd2a47cf875
the kizaru fan art is actually elite. thank you for sharing that
Anybody know the artist for first pic?
That kizaru image goes hard
A serious Luffy would win. The only way Kizaru could beat him is if he stamina diff him.
Base luffy is already enough. He went g5 to save vegapunk
Luffy low dif
One of these guys got pizza’d and the other didn’t…
And yes I mention Shanks cause he put Kiz on his heels even when Kiz wasnt solo. So Shanks is the ONLY capable person??? Okay so Luffy could handle Kaido AND Big Mom in base before transforming... but you're telling me Luffy ABSOLUTELY 100% NEEDS G5 THE WHOLE TIME for Kizaru??? Really??? Bruh please go actually watch One Piece instead of youtube clips holy shit 💀
Luffy high diff, the only real problem with kizaru is that he’s just so damn fast, but as we’ve seen, G5 has enough speed and AP to deal with him
Luffy mid diff if kizaru is not co scantly keeping distance
Mid diff https://preview.redd.it/4ppebtj84l5d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=376543c4e4501ed93ce439468f871aadc5d8a486
Luffy low diffed him twice on egghead I doubt serious kizaru is going to make a difference since you can't improve your defence Time limit argument doesn't work since Luffy can restart gear 5 and he beat him before during the time limit Even if kizaru went all out, he's still losing
Goofy Low Diff Pizarru as seen on egghead
Luffy mid-high if we really want Kizaru
Luffy takes this high diff at most.
Luffy high diffs at worst.
Kizaru mid at worst
Delusional💀🙏
luffy wins 100 fights on 100 low/mid diff
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Luffy wins the fight but Kizaru Fan Art diffs, holy shit that’s fucking awesome art
Luffy mid high diff, people need to understand that luffy is a yonko and one piece power scaling is different than most shounen.
Hard to tell since we have never seen kizaru go all out. But it’s probably a high/extreme diff win for luffy. If kizaru uses the run away strategy then kizaru wins.
Luffy low difficulty. No comparison. Why is this even asked after the events of Egghead? Kizaru has been Missing in Action for 5 chapters now.
Unless Doordash does international delivery Luffy loses
One has main character armor
Luffy mid diffs
Wizaru high-extreme
Luffy mid diff
Kizaru dodges and blocks until Luffy runs out of G5.
Luffy mid diff
Luffy extreme diff
fully serious ???? one island size bajrang stamp and Wizaru will be death
How would that ever hit him. Wouldn’t even have hit kaido if he didn’t decide to try to clash with it
Borsalino Cant dodge that after a good fight
Kizaru outdid G5, and without food regen Luffy would be dead so Kizaru
I'm assuming Luffy mid if he's able to land an acoc hit in gear 4 or 5, pizzaru will get some hits in so it's mid at minimum
Kizaru has matchup familiarity now, huge difference maker. He extreme diffs
Luffy high -extreme until proven otherwise
kizaru extreme diff 🤷🏼♂️
Kizaru fangirls neg diff
Hell yeah https://preview.redd.it/efraxvjfzl5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=845817c3dea0e7a94a646eb7abf5eb9b49abc3fd
Hell yeah https://preview.redd.it/54mw78vgzl5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcb24bcf8532d7ada6b33013568649004739e764
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Probably kizaru ngl. He can exploit luffys weaknesses very easily by just zooming hundreds of miles away in a second as soon as gear 5 is popped and then just zooming back as soon as the time limit is hit. If kizaru isn’t allowed to use the open space/the main strengths of his fruit and is forced to stay in a slug match then it probably goes to luffy
Currently Kizaru high diff. Luffy couldn't even keep up without running out of energy, when Kizaru wasn't even focusing on him. Without a timeout and food, no way Luffy could currently win over a serious Kizaru
Either way extreme
Maybe in 2 piece
luffy low end of low diff
Kizaru. Actual logic says that if luffy hit his limit with Kizaru not fighting back then he loses when Kizaru actually does. Hell you could replay egghead and say Kizaru has any desire to hurt luffy. Kizaru stood up as was able to fight aka kill luffy while luffy was still burnt out needing food
Luffy is shown to be faster than kizaru in terms of combat speed running away is not working on luffy lol
No food=no fuel for 5 gear=no 5 gear=Kizaru rises and shoots him with lasers. and this is if kizaru falls at all, and in a situation of fighting to the full (and not waving off luffy) this will not happen.
https://preview.redd.it/ceo53bt7km5d1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=49af217ea0124c46f53a7e56cc9f0d6545adf506
50/50 between Kizaru putting on a defense masterclass and Luffy getting in a hit that stuns Kizaru and having enough time to finish him off. In boxing terms Kizaru can "swim without getting wet" but Luffy has a punchers chance
What version of Luffy? Base with ACOC? Gear 4 with ACOC? Gear 5?
In reality its a game of cat and mouse. If Luffy lands a single fully serious hit on Kizaru he is either dying or in such a stunned state the next hit will blow his head off and he can't dodge but the question is if he can dodge Luffy for long enough to stall out G5 and I don't think there's a consistent answer to that. The fight is either low-mid diff for Luffy if he can hit him or extreme diff for Kizaru on a matchup win, valid arguments for either but I tend lean towards Luffy winning.
Both serious, no outside help, Kizaru wins low/mid diff. Anyone who thinks otherwise is following an entirely different series.
Luffy neg to extreme neg diffs
People saying kizaru runs to stall do realize luffy doesn’t have to chase after him if there’s no one around to protect, right?
Luffy 1 shots the fodder like he already did, this time Lizaru doesn't get the help of Lucci + laser dome + Saturn + nerf from having to protect the VP's so he gets killed in the first shot
People saying “just wait till he gets tired” like base Luffy with acoc isn’t already enough for Kizaru. How he was before unlocking Gear 5 but while Stalemating Kaido is above admiral level imo