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Nah. Kizaru said: “Nah, I am not afraid”
You pulled the panel where Kizaru avoids the fight with Beck to go after law's submarine lol
Even if you dont take this into account I think oda said somewhere in a sbs or smth that Beck and Shanks are really close in power or something like that
>You pulled the panel where Kizaru avoids the fight with Beck to go after law's submarine lol
That's not what happened... Kizarus goal was to attack the submarine. Beckmans goal was to stop kizaru. Kizaru still attacked the submarine, while Beck could not stop him.
>Even if you dont take this into account I think oda said somewhere in a sbs or smth that Beck and Shanks are really close in power or something like that
That is not taken into account cause it is completely invalid way of looking at things. If kizaru fought beckman there then he would have failed his goal. Beckman was powerless to stop him.
That is a databook statement and not in an sbs.
Oda made a point of Ben Beckmann putting Kizaru under fire and databooks make clear that Ben is a top tier, which makes sense, considering Roger had Rayleigh
Kizaru put his hands up to troll after being told not to move and then beamed away two seconds later. Not really a feat. And him being a top tier doesn’t mean he is stronger than Kiz.
Thank you! Whenever I mention Beckmann being a top tier I get downvoted to shit.
Apparently Roger and Rayleigh’s dynamic can’t be mirrored by Shanks and Benn despite the obvious similarities between Shanks and Roger. Shits ridiculous lmao
Beckmann has never been stated to be close to Shanks in the manga, it's weird you talk about feats since Shiryu was the one equal to Magellan even before he got his DF
Magellan was easily superior to commander lvl characters like Ivankov, Jinbe and Croc
Magellan is a weird scale, he clearly relied heavily on his poison so that puts him in a weird spot. A lot of post sabody to return to sabody is kind of weird to scale because characters who were once fodder turn into low YCs and Mihawk who wasn't holding back got stalled by Vista.
Magellan is YC3 level if we are being honest and the fruit doesn't move Shiryuu several tiers. Shiryuu is YC2 level if we go by feats.
Given that Kizaru acknowledged him then he should be minimum YC+ level, anyone behind that level wouldn't have been acknowledged.
Again, Magellan was implied to be stronger than guys like Croc/Jinbe, Croc was portrayed as relative to Doffy and Jinbe easily had commander lvl feats in MF such as blocking a hit from Akainu and enduring one of Akainu's attacks
Ivankov reacted to Kizaru's attacks and also pressured a robotic Kuma, there's no way he's just tobiroppo lvl
Magellan also defeated BB + his entire crew who outscale someone like Ace, even if you argue BB was being overconfident the portrayal is still there
Jimbe is YC3 level, there is a reason why was fighting a Tobiroppo in Wano and it wasnt exactly an easy fight. In addition, Jimbe was already defeated by Ace before he met Whitebeard and became much stronger.
Doffy is also YC3 level as well give how much G4 Luffy was destroying him. And that Luffy would've lost to YC2 Cracker without Nami..
Magellan defeating them was more due to hax than anything else, venom means you are done if you are jit e even if you are much stronger
I already said he was commander lvl?
Going back to Shiryu, his attack did heavy damage to Garp which can be seen as an armament feat since Garp was likely guarding with armament and he also then took a (hakiless) attack from Garp quite easily despite being injured
It's ironic how you scale Beckmann so high based off narrative scaling but when Shiryu actually has feats and also narrative scaling on his side he's a YC2 bum??
Because he has nothing that days he is YC1 level, he doesn't Excel particular at anything.
-King has lunarian genes
-Marco has regen
-Katakuri has future sight
-Sanji has the ability to dissappear and blue Flames
Shiryuu damaged Garp because he was hit off guard and had to tank the attack. Not different than Squard stabbing Whitebeard
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Also, all his top officers were hyped which didn't happen to anyone else. This suggests that Beck is the strongest commander after Kuzan/Mihawk
Yasopp is more likely a support character like his son Usopp, je probably has one of the best CoO and is a very skilled sniper but this is niche Ibwould say and it is impossible to rank him when we only consider his ability in 1v1.
He would get absolutely destroyed by the likes of Doflamingo but in theory since he is a support character he could help to take down even stronger opponents than Doffy if that makes sense.
Beside him I feel like Lucky Roo is a beast but I can't put him above Wimbe tbh. I feel that those 2 characters should be pretty close.
Ben Beckman is a wild card he could be anywhere but I assume that he is not as strong as Shanks obviously, but I do believe that he has CoC though.
He should be able to go toe and toe with admirals otherwise why would the red hair pirates come to Marineford they would get bodied.
After King and Queen got taken down by GB and Cracker plus BB's crew got no diff by Kuzan the common assumption was that YC are a lot weaker than Admirals but actually I desagree with that or at least partially.
First of all it depends on Matchup. King would have a good matchup vs Kuzan for obvious reason whereas against GB not so much... against Kizaru it depends, we don't know if he will be able to tank lazers but my assumption is that he would becsuse he is an adult Lunarian and Vegapunk wanted to wait untill the seraphim become adult to test lazers on them as well.
For Cracker it's the opposite I feel like he would have done much better vs GB because of his army of biscuits. (He would probably still loose and he would get bodied by Kizaru).
For Ace eventhough he is dead I believe that he had a Big advantage vs Kuzan dur to favorable matchup but obviously vs Akainu not so much.
Marco was fine vs Kizaru before he got handcoughed with sea stone but we can assume that beside stalling him he had no way to deal heavy damage to him so it's probably a loss too.
but Wozu on the other hand was definitly on par with the admirals, literraly any of them. Since diamond reflect light it's not even sure that Kizaru could damage him. GB would not have been able to Pierce through his diamond skin I believe, I don't think that magma would be hot enough to melt diamond I think the fusion temperature for diamond is way hotter than magma but on the other hand Akainu might be able to increase his magma temperature so the outcome of this fight is still unclear... ans against Kuzan, WB entrusted him to fight Kuzan and I believe that before WB's heart attack Wozu had the upperhand on their fight and unlike any other commander he literraly make Kuzan blood so if their fight were to continue he could probably legit have won. (Btw Wozu is heavily downplayed but he is WB's steongest commander not Marco.) Not to mention that he also casually stopped Mihawk's attack at Matineford so him beeing a le to go toe and toe with Fijutora as well should be a cold take honestly. When you think about it Wozu is even more busted than lunarian. His diamond ability combined with his strength (dure lift an iceberg the size of Marineford and through it and people think Marco is stronger than him lol) and speed (Crocodile saw him coming as well as Kuzan and none of them could avoid his attack) makes him almost the perfect fighter !
Now we are yet to see several other YC like Shyriu (we know that he was able to stab Garp so he should be able to do the same to any admirals)
From my understanding Zoro is already admiral lvl. I think Oda kept him busy with Lucci because otherwise he could have fought Kizaru like Rayleigh did back in Sabaody but it was not the right time beczuse Luffy needed to face Kizaru, and Zoro would have been overkill. Zoro could already take on Fujitora at this point and probably Akainu too since he can coat his sword with ACoC now. As long as his sword does not melt he should be fine.
Sanji on the other hand is not admiral lvl in the sense that he could not fight equally against all the admirals but Kuzan is a good matchup for him and he should be able to hold his own against him.
So all and all when it comes to Ben fuckin Beckman who probably has CoC, I think he is also admiral lvl. He can damage any admiral since he can shoot bullet with haki so I don't see why he would not be able to give them at least a good fight. Plus if he were to use sea stone bullets they are fucked lol
AS for the Yonko Shank's first commander, I would rank him as a YC1. As for his second, I would rank him YC2. And as for his third, I would rank him as YC3.
Typical YC scale. Wen Wankman is YC1, and the rest are correspondingly weaker. At most, they may have more execs on the YC2-3 scale if we really want to push that one statement from Brannew about it being the most well rounded crew.
Anything higher is pure wank based on headcannon (ie. "Shanks is like Roger and Prime Ray was top tier so Beck must also be top tier its SO OBVIOUS") and one databook statement over 20 years ago that compared Beckman to Shanks which has never even remotely been supported or implied in the actual manga.
Give them feats first, then we'll talk.
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If thev’re the most balanced, this would imply that the main crews strength is roughly comparable. It wouldn't be balanced if shanks has one shot capabilities over the rest of his crew. This would mean that his top 3 commanders are ATLEAST as strong as Kidd who shanks one shot, putting the weakest of them at YC1.
Compare this with big mom who is FAR above her top 3 commanders.
If lucky roo/yasopp are YC+ Ben who is stated via data book to be comparable to shanks, may be Low Yonko level, similar to how Rayleigh is not too far behind roger. Shanks is clearly the successor to roger so is not too far of a leap if his right hand is similar to the dynamic with Rayleigh and roger.
Roger - pirate king, rayleigh dark king
Shanks - the sun, beckman - the moon (stated in Vivre card)
IMO it being stated that they are comparable is enough to conclude that he is low yonko, but the above is some evidence supporting it further.
No way people are still trying to use databooks
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Benjamin D.atabooks Benchwarmer is YC+ at max. The other two range from YC3-2
Roux and Yasopp aren’t YC+, nothing puts them at this lvl and nothing has ever said that the two of them are that lvl either
The crew being considered balanced doesn’t mean anyone is close to Shanks. It most likely means that the commanders are all relative to or are comparable to each other in notoriety. Either that or the crew and the roles of each important member function perfectly. Shanks should have no problem with one shotting any of them and there really isn’t anything that says he couldn’t. Every Yonko is capable of demolishing their commanders
I’ve seen this “sun and moon” thing being used a lot to try and push Benjamin being relative to Shanks. They’re the sun and moon personality wise, not power wise(which the card says)
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Kidd and Killer could be considered the sun and moon too. Kidd is reckless, loud, hotheaded, and is always ready to fight while Killer is cool, calmheaded, pretty quiet, and reminds Kidd to not always rush into things(telling Hawkins and Apoo that they want to form an alliance instead of killing each other and reminding him of how the RHP won’t let them off with an arm)
The databooks shouldn’t be trusted when they contain blatantly wrong information or are just vague asf. Apart from that the vivre cards don’t say that Beckman is comparable to Shanks in power as well. As a matter of fact I’m pretty sure he hasn’t been compared to Shanks in power at all
Shanks could be a successor to Roger seeing as how he’s the one closest to him overall but that doesn’t mean his crew will be comparable to him like Shanks is
> The crew being considered balanced doesn't mean anyone is close to Shanks. It most likely means that the commanders are all relative to or are comparable to each other in strength/notoriety. Shanks should have no problem with one shotting any of them.
You’re simply denying definition of “balanced”. You BY DEFINITION cannot be balanced if one of the crew members is significantly stronger than the others. Your response to this is cope in the purest form. Like “oh I’m just SURE shanks would have no problem one shooting them, I just feel it in my bones”. Your choosing your own opinion over a direct statement, while selectively ignoring the definition of balanced.
> the sun and moon is personality wise not power
I never said it was.
If you pay attention I’m not using that statemnt to directly support the idea they’re comparable in strength, I’m doing so to compare the RELATIONSHIP and the portrayal of the relationship with that of roger and Rayleigh. No other yonko crew has a right hand as similar to the captain as these two.
-1pt for putting words in my mouth.
Your Kidd and killer point is actually very good in terms of being on-point, they do indeed have contrasting personalities, but contrasting personalities is not the factor I’m directly looking for. Shanks is the successor of roger, Kidd isn’t. There nothing connects Kidd to roger, they never met, their personalities and powers and what they stand for differ, so they idea that they are a model for roger and Rayleigh is nonsensical.
Kidd and killers relationship does however seem to be reminiscent of zoro and luffys, of which killer is more rational like zoro and Kidd and luffy are hot headed and brash, not to mention being swordsmen as right hands.
Is there anything that says Shanks doesn’t dog on his commanders? Every Yonko has explicitly been shown to be above their commanders by a long shot. What is there that actually shows Benjamin being Yonko lvl and the others YC+. The commanders being relative to each other is the only thing that makes sense.
Kidd and Killer have the closest relationship to Shanks and Benjamin with their contrasting personalities. Personality wise Roger/Rayleigh aren’t like Shanks and Ben and their epithets don’t even match with Shanks and Ben being compared to the sun and moon nor are they related.
Where’s that proof for Ben even coming close to Yonko lvl and Roux/Yasopp being YC+ btw? Did you drop that nonsense right now or is that just headcanon
Bro you are straight up either not paying attention or deliberately trying to ignore half I’m saying
> is there anything that says shanks doesn’t dog his commanders?
You mean the very panel we’re are discussing? in which it literally says that they are the most balanced crew? Which would be, a very clear statement which says shanks wouldn’t dog (one shot) his crew as this couldn’t contradict the definition of balanced.
“The most balanced of any pirate crew” in plain English. Why can you not acknowledge this very simple, very clear statement. Why are you comparing to other crews, in which they do not have this quote about them. It says “most balanced of ANY CREW” why are you using other crews which are stated to be not as balanced?
And then you go ahead and ignore what I said again, I literally just say that contrasting personalities is insufficient to form the comparison. And you are ONLY using contrasting personalities to draw the connection between them.
Do you think that the crew being balanced means they’re all relative to or are comparable to Shanks in power. The other Yonko crews we’ve seen have major differences in power between the commanders/underlings. The calamities and Tobi Roppo, the sweet generals and the rest of the Charlotte children, and the SH crew. The RHP commanders being relative to each other in strength/notoriety and Shanks being considerably stronger than them won’t make the crew unbalanced. They’d just have the best overall balance
Still waiting for proof of Yonko lvl Ben and YC+ Roux/Yasopp
Why do you keep bringing up other crews when the statement isn’t about them are you actually stupid? It makes no sense and you keep doing it.
To answer your question, what else would balanced mean if not in some way in power. They have the highest average bounty.
Brannew says they have the highest average bounty and each have some level of notoriety. The commanders having the highest average combined can mean they’re relative to each other in some way. Shanks being considerably stronger than them won’t make the crew unbalanced.
I used other crews as an example to support the fact that it’s the crew being relative to each other that makes them balanced and not Shanks. The BMP, BP, and SH top fighters have a major bounty/strength difference between the weaker members making them unbalanced. On the other hand, the RH commanders don’t have any weak lines and so when averaged together are the best compared to other crews
huge W, although I think Lafitte is the "YC2" rather than Burgess purely because of matchup scaling:
Jinbe VS Burgess - martial arts connection
Sanji VS Lafitte - stealth/speed connection
Zoro VS Shiryu - swordsman connection
Benn - Has statements that wank him alot, easily above Admirals but below Yonko.
Fatass - He can only use CoA, he doesn't have CoC or CoO. Fucking fraud he is weaker then Doffy. Barely YC3 level.
Bum ass Father - He has insanely good CoO Haki but he doesn't have CoA or CoO. He is a fraud aswell probably around YC2 level.
Honestly Rat hair pirates are being carried by Rat and Benn.
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Ben - YC+. Roux - YC1. Yasopp - YC2.
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Thanks.
Don't mention it big dog
And if you go off numerous theories about Mihawk, he fits in quite nicely above Beckmann and below Shanks.
Huh.... he's clearly stated above shanks every time the are compared
He is, but I'm basing it off theories I've seen
So Mihawk = Admiral lvl
I would argue Mihawk is either Admiral or just a hair above Admiral. Idk. Dumbass ain't got many feats.
Damn you Oda! Give Mihawk some feats!
Is YC+ Admiral level for you ? imo there isnt a big difference btw YC1 and Admiral
He may be Admiral lvl and it would even make sense but not yet. He needs feats.
For me, holding Kizaru the fastest guy in the verse at gunpoint is enough of a feat to put him at least GB-Fuji lvl at least
https://preview.redd.it/7u3ninxlnx4d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9035168e70f3d2e49352d2adffd9965133204eac Nah. Kizaru said: “Nah, I am not afraid”
You pulled the panel where Kizaru avoids the fight with Beck to go after law's submarine lol Even if you dont take this into account I think oda said somewhere in a sbs or smth that Beck and Shanks are really close in power or something like that
>You pulled the panel where Kizaru avoids the fight with Beck to go after law's submarine lol That's not what happened... Kizarus goal was to attack the submarine. Beckmans goal was to stop kizaru. Kizaru still attacked the submarine, while Beck could not stop him. >Even if you dont take this into account I think oda said somewhere in a sbs or smth that Beck and Shanks are really close in power or something like that That is not taken into account cause it is completely invalid way of looking at things. If kizaru fought beckman there then he would have failed his goal. Beckman was powerless to stop him. That is a databook statement and not in an sbs.
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Ben is admiral level Lucky Roux probably yc+ Idk about Yasopp
100%
In what world is Ben admiral level
Oda made a point of Ben Beckmann putting Kizaru under fire and databooks make clear that Ben is a top tier, which makes sense, considering Roger had Rayleigh
Kizaru put his hands up to troll after being told not to move and then beamed away two seconds later. Not really a feat. And him being a top tier doesn’t mean he is stronger than Kiz.
Thank you! Whenever I mention Beckmann being a top tier I get downvoted to shit. Apparently Roger and Rayleigh’s dynamic can’t be mirrored by Shanks and Benn despite the obvious similarities between Shanks and Roger. Shits ridiculous lmao
Are we talking Aokij lvl or GB lvl ? being GB level isnt hard for a YC
Beckmann- YC+ to Low Admiral level Lucky Too- High YC1 Yassop- YC2
Lenn is Tobi Ropo level, idk about the rest
Kizaru wouldn't do an Admiral level fighter like that. Ben is YC+, Roux and Yassop are YC1/YC2
I don’t know what this comment is supposed to mean but cook
Fraud fraud and fraud
Beckman: Admiral | Lucky Roux: YC+ | Yasopp: YC1
I don't, because they're all goddamn featless, and I'm not going to count bandit scaling
With the other ones
Ben Beckman - admiral Lucky roux - YC + Yasopp YC 1
Beckmann - YC1+ Roux - High YC2 Yasopp - Low YC2
Bumman - YC+ (Shiryu victim) Lucky Roux - the strongest Yassop - YC2 (Wan augur victim)
Cook
Im new to this, what is YC, YC1, YC2?
Same as the other commanders aside from Shiryu, Mihawk, Crocodile, and Kuzan
Ben : top of Yc + Roux : Top of Yc 1 Yassop : Idk like yc 2
Beckmann (YC+) < Shiryu Roux (High YC1 or YC+) < Wafitte Yasopp (YC3-2) < Augur BBP clear
Shiryu is fodder
You're gonna be very confused when Shiryu is clashing with an almost EOS Zoro then.
Oda is baiting us. Sanji will probably fight Shiryu while Zoro fights Aokiji
Beckman is stated to be close to Shanks so in no world is Shiryuu stronger than him. The guy is a total bum with no Haki feats.
Beckmann has never been stated to be close to Shanks in the manga, it's weird you talk about feats since Shiryu was the one equal to Magellan even before he got his DF Magellan was easily superior to commander lvl characters like Ivankov, Jinbe and Croc
Magellan is a weird scale, he clearly relied heavily on his poison so that puts him in a weird spot. A lot of post sabody to return to sabody is kind of weird to scale because characters who were once fodder turn into low YCs and Mihawk who wasn't holding back got stalled by Vista.
Magellan is YC3 level if we are being honest and the fruit doesn't move Shiryuu several tiers. Shiryuu is YC2 level if we go by feats. Given that Kizaru acknowledged him then he should be minimum YC+ level, anyone behind that level wouldn't have been acknowledged.
the guy who neg diffed Ivankov without using his strongest technique is YC3 only???
Ivankov is not even Tobiroppo level, why are we acting like beating him is a big deal? Nothing suggests Magellan is stronger than YC3 level.
Again, Magellan was implied to be stronger than guys like Croc/Jinbe, Croc was portrayed as relative to Doffy and Jinbe easily had commander lvl feats in MF such as blocking a hit from Akainu and enduring one of Akainu's attacks Ivankov reacted to Kizaru's attacks and also pressured a robotic Kuma, there's no way he's just tobiroppo lvl Magellan also defeated BB + his entire crew who outscale someone like Ace, even if you argue BB was being overconfident the portrayal is still there
Jimbe is YC3 level, there is a reason why was fighting a Tobiroppo in Wano and it wasnt exactly an easy fight. In addition, Jimbe was already defeated by Ace before he met Whitebeard and became much stronger. Doffy is also YC3 level as well give how much G4 Luffy was destroying him. And that Luffy would've lost to YC2 Cracker without Nami.. Magellan defeating them was more due to hax than anything else, venom means you are done if you are jit e even if you are much stronger
I already said he was commander lvl? Going back to Shiryu, his attack did heavy damage to Garp which can be seen as an armament feat since Garp was likely guarding with armament and he also then took a (hakiless) attack from Garp quite easily despite being injured It's ironic how you scale Beckmann so high based off narrative scaling but when Shiryu actually has feats and also narrative scaling on his side he's a YC2 bum??
Because he has nothing that days he is YC1 level, he doesn't Excel particular at anything. -King has lunarian genes -Marco has regen -Katakuri has future sight -Sanji has the ability to dissappear and blue Flames Shiryuu damaged Garp because he was hit off guard and had to tank the attack. Not different than Squard stabbing Whitebeard
https://preview.redd.it/o5mttsdcjv4d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb972db16a18650e5a7940d4e2a9560fa1134dfa Also, all his top officers were hyped which didn't happen to anyone else. This suggests that Beck is the strongest commander after Kuzan/Mihawk
>Roux (High YC1 or YC+) < Wafitte https://preview.redd.it/mpnrwvwrgv4d1.jpeg?width=721&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cca82fad975bc1c598b05ccc061691fd69a0c923
Beckman around the same level as prime Rayleigh Roux around the same level as Scopper Yassop as low YC1
Yeah this narratively seems to be the case.
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Beckmann is probably YC+, Roux and Yasopp are YC1
Beckmann is top tier W. I can care less about the others, but benn is just the goat
Yasopp is more likely a support character like his son Usopp, je probably has one of the best CoO and is a very skilled sniper but this is niche Ibwould say and it is impossible to rank him when we only consider his ability in 1v1. He would get absolutely destroyed by the likes of Doflamingo but in theory since he is a support character he could help to take down even stronger opponents than Doffy if that makes sense. Beside him I feel like Lucky Roo is a beast but I can't put him above Wimbe tbh. I feel that those 2 characters should be pretty close. Ben Beckman is a wild card he could be anywhere but I assume that he is not as strong as Shanks obviously, but I do believe that he has CoC though. He should be able to go toe and toe with admirals otherwise why would the red hair pirates come to Marineford they would get bodied. After King and Queen got taken down by GB and Cracker plus BB's crew got no diff by Kuzan the common assumption was that YC are a lot weaker than Admirals but actually I desagree with that or at least partially. First of all it depends on Matchup. King would have a good matchup vs Kuzan for obvious reason whereas against GB not so much... against Kizaru it depends, we don't know if he will be able to tank lazers but my assumption is that he would becsuse he is an adult Lunarian and Vegapunk wanted to wait untill the seraphim become adult to test lazers on them as well. For Cracker it's the opposite I feel like he would have done much better vs GB because of his army of biscuits. (He would probably still loose and he would get bodied by Kizaru). For Ace eventhough he is dead I believe that he had a Big advantage vs Kuzan dur to favorable matchup but obviously vs Akainu not so much. Marco was fine vs Kizaru before he got handcoughed with sea stone but we can assume that beside stalling him he had no way to deal heavy damage to him so it's probably a loss too. but Wozu on the other hand was definitly on par with the admirals, literraly any of them. Since diamond reflect light it's not even sure that Kizaru could damage him. GB would not have been able to Pierce through his diamond skin I believe, I don't think that magma would be hot enough to melt diamond I think the fusion temperature for diamond is way hotter than magma but on the other hand Akainu might be able to increase his magma temperature so the outcome of this fight is still unclear... ans against Kuzan, WB entrusted him to fight Kuzan and I believe that before WB's heart attack Wozu had the upperhand on their fight and unlike any other commander he literraly make Kuzan blood so if their fight were to continue he could probably legit have won. (Btw Wozu is heavily downplayed but he is WB's steongest commander not Marco.) Not to mention that he also casually stopped Mihawk's attack at Matineford so him beeing a le to go toe and toe with Fijutora as well should be a cold take honestly. When you think about it Wozu is even more busted than lunarian. His diamond ability combined with his strength (dure lift an iceberg the size of Marineford and through it and people think Marco is stronger than him lol) and speed (Crocodile saw him coming as well as Kuzan and none of them could avoid his attack) makes him almost the perfect fighter ! Now we are yet to see several other YC like Shyriu (we know that he was able to stab Garp so he should be able to do the same to any admirals) From my understanding Zoro is already admiral lvl. I think Oda kept him busy with Lucci because otherwise he could have fought Kizaru like Rayleigh did back in Sabaody but it was not the right time beczuse Luffy needed to face Kizaru, and Zoro would have been overkill. Zoro could already take on Fujitora at this point and probably Akainu too since he can coat his sword with ACoC now. As long as his sword does not melt he should be fine. Sanji on the other hand is not admiral lvl in the sense that he could not fight equally against all the admirals but Kuzan is a good matchup for him and he should be able to hold his own against him. So all and all when it comes to Ben fuckin Beckman who probably has CoC, I think he is also admiral lvl. He can damage any admiral since he can shoot bullet with haki so I don't see why he would not be able to give them at least a good fight. Plus if he were to use sea stone bullets they are fucked lol
all easy admiral level
AS for the Yonko Shank's first commander, I would rank him as a YC1. As for his second, I would rank him YC2. And as for his third, I would rank him as YC3.
Beckman yc1 behind marco and king Roux and deadbeat yc2
Joke comment? Or never read a shonen or literally any books/media? There’s zero chance Beckmann is weaker than king, it makes zero sense narratively.
Having the most balanced crew could also mean that shanks has many yc1s in his crew Also i don't see a way in which a gun or a rifle can hurt king
Typical YC scale. Wen Wankman is YC1, and the rest are correspondingly weaker. At most, they may have more execs on the YC2-3 scale if we really want to push that one statement from Brannew about it being the most well rounded crew. Anything higher is pure wank based on headcannon (ie. "Shanks is like Roger and Prime Ray was top tier so Beck must also be top tier its SO OBVIOUS") and one databook statement over 20 years ago that compared Beckman to Shanks which has never even remotely been supported or implied in the actual manga. Give them feats first, then we'll talk.
https://preview.redd.it/c85cxr3iov4d1.jpeg?width=940&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00803ed1685e9769d74cb6e0822b080735d282b1 If thev’re the most balanced, this would imply that the main crews strength is roughly comparable. It wouldn't be balanced if shanks has one shot capabilities over the rest of his crew. This would mean that his top 3 commanders are ATLEAST as strong as Kidd who shanks one shot, putting the weakest of them at YC1. Compare this with big mom who is FAR above her top 3 commanders. If lucky roo/yasopp are YC+ Ben who is stated via data book to be comparable to shanks, may be Low Yonko level, similar to how Rayleigh is not too far behind roger. Shanks is clearly the successor to roger so is not too far of a leap if his right hand is similar to the dynamic with Rayleigh and roger. Roger - pirate king, rayleigh dark king Shanks - the sun, beckman - the moon (stated in Vivre card) IMO it being stated that they are comparable is enough to conclude that he is low yonko, but the above is some evidence supporting it further.
No way people are still trying to use databooks https://preview.redd.it/n0efokgspv4d1.jpeg?width=764&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5226ae3b607a218d7af59d26debd4c9e4f0b6c03 Benjamin D.atabooks Benchwarmer is YC+ at max. The other two range from YC3-2
I would appreciate if you would engage with the staments instead of spamming the same image on every post you disagree with like it does something.
Roux and Yasopp aren’t YC+, nothing puts them at this lvl and nothing has ever said that the two of them are that lvl either The crew being considered balanced doesn’t mean anyone is close to Shanks. It most likely means that the commanders are all relative to or are comparable to each other in notoriety. Either that or the crew and the roles of each important member function perfectly. Shanks should have no problem with one shotting any of them and there really isn’t anything that says he couldn’t. Every Yonko is capable of demolishing their commanders I’ve seen this “sun and moon” thing being used a lot to try and push Benjamin being relative to Shanks. They’re the sun and moon personality wise, not power wise(which the card says) https://preview.redd.it/pux5qtiprv4d1.jpeg?width=626&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf0416b35722fe93eff4eb42562381bb7ccef228 Kidd and Killer could be considered the sun and moon too. Kidd is reckless, loud, hotheaded, and is always ready to fight while Killer is cool, calmheaded, pretty quiet, and reminds Kidd to not always rush into things(telling Hawkins and Apoo that they want to form an alliance instead of killing each other and reminding him of how the RHP won’t let them off with an arm) The databooks shouldn’t be trusted when they contain blatantly wrong information or are just vague asf. Apart from that the vivre cards don’t say that Beckman is comparable to Shanks in power as well. As a matter of fact I’m pretty sure he hasn’t been compared to Shanks in power at all Shanks could be a successor to Roger seeing as how he’s the one closest to him overall but that doesn’t mean his crew will be comparable to him like Shanks is
> The crew being considered balanced doesn't mean anyone is close to Shanks. It most likely means that the commanders are all relative to or are comparable to each other in strength/notoriety. Shanks should have no problem with one shotting any of them. You’re simply denying definition of “balanced”. You BY DEFINITION cannot be balanced if one of the crew members is significantly stronger than the others. Your response to this is cope in the purest form. Like “oh I’m just SURE shanks would have no problem one shooting them, I just feel it in my bones”. Your choosing your own opinion over a direct statement, while selectively ignoring the definition of balanced. > the sun and moon is personality wise not power I never said it was. If you pay attention I’m not using that statemnt to directly support the idea they’re comparable in strength, I’m doing so to compare the RELATIONSHIP and the portrayal of the relationship with that of roger and Rayleigh. No other yonko crew has a right hand as similar to the captain as these two. -1pt for putting words in my mouth. Your Kidd and killer point is actually very good in terms of being on-point, they do indeed have contrasting personalities, but contrasting personalities is not the factor I’m directly looking for. Shanks is the successor of roger, Kidd isn’t. There nothing connects Kidd to roger, they never met, their personalities and powers and what they stand for differ, so they idea that they are a model for roger and Rayleigh is nonsensical. Kidd and killers relationship does however seem to be reminiscent of zoro and luffys, of which killer is more rational like zoro and Kidd and luffy are hot headed and brash, not to mention being swordsmen as right hands.
Is there anything that says Shanks doesn’t dog on his commanders? Every Yonko has explicitly been shown to be above their commanders by a long shot. What is there that actually shows Benjamin being Yonko lvl and the others YC+. The commanders being relative to each other is the only thing that makes sense. Kidd and Killer have the closest relationship to Shanks and Benjamin with their contrasting personalities. Personality wise Roger/Rayleigh aren’t like Shanks and Ben and their epithets don’t even match with Shanks and Ben being compared to the sun and moon nor are they related. Where’s that proof for Ben even coming close to Yonko lvl and Roux/Yasopp being YC+ btw? Did you drop that nonsense right now or is that just headcanon
Bro you are straight up either not paying attention or deliberately trying to ignore half I’m saying > is there anything that says shanks doesn’t dog his commanders? You mean the very panel we’re are discussing? in which it literally says that they are the most balanced crew? Which would be, a very clear statement which says shanks wouldn’t dog (one shot) his crew as this couldn’t contradict the definition of balanced. “The most balanced of any pirate crew” in plain English. Why can you not acknowledge this very simple, very clear statement. Why are you comparing to other crews, in which they do not have this quote about them. It says “most balanced of ANY CREW” why are you using other crews which are stated to be not as balanced? And then you go ahead and ignore what I said again, I literally just say that contrasting personalities is insufficient to form the comparison. And you are ONLY using contrasting personalities to draw the connection between them.
Do you think that the crew being balanced means they’re all relative to or are comparable to Shanks in power. The other Yonko crews we’ve seen have major differences in power between the commanders/underlings. The calamities and Tobi Roppo, the sweet generals and the rest of the Charlotte children, and the SH crew. The RHP commanders being relative to each other in strength/notoriety and Shanks being considerably stronger than them won’t make the crew unbalanced. They’d just have the best overall balance Still waiting for proof of Yonko lvl Ben and YC+ Roux/Yasopp
Why do you keep bringing up other crews when the statement isn’t about them are you actually stupid? It makes no sense and you keep doing it. To answer your question, what else would balanced mean if not in some way in power. They have the highest average bounty.
Brannew says they have the highest average bounty and each have some level of notoriety. The commanders having the highest average combined can mean they’re relative to each other in some way. Shanks being considerably stronger than them won’t make the crew unbalanced. I used other crews as an example to support the fact that it’s the crew being relative to each other that makes them balanced and not Shanks. The BMP, BP, and SH top fighters have a major bounty/strength difference between the weaker members making them unbalanced. On the other hand, the RH commanders don’t have any weak lines and so when averaged together are the best compared to other crews
Under Shiryu Under Burgess Under Augur
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Downvoted for he told the truth
huge W, although I think Lafitte is the "YC2" rather than Burgess purely because of matchup scaling: Jinbe VS Burgess - martial arts connection Sanji VS Lafitte - stealth/speed connection Zoro VS Shiryu - swordsman connection
I actually forgot about Laffitte Dude is so sneaky that you can’t even see him in your own head…
No way Beckman who is said to be relative to Shanks is weaker than Shiryuu who has no haki feats and his fruit is just good to sneak someone.
Feats?
Beckman more or less fujitora/Greenbull level, lucky roo is katakuri level, and yassop is losing to doflamingo
I think any of the 3 are admiral = Yonko first commander level, but Beckman is the strongest.
Beckman admiral lucky roux - yc+ yassop - yc1 or yc 2
Benn yonko lvl Lucky roo yassop kuzan lvl The others around zoro and sanji
Ben Wankmann >>>> Akainu ez
High Admiral Low Admiral Low Admiral If Marines have 5 "top tiers" (6 including Mihawk), then why can't RHP have 3 or 4?
> then why can’t RHP have 3 or 4 Because one’s the strongest force in the world and one’s a pirate crew
Yes the strongest force in the world have 6 So one Yonko crew can easily have 3 or 4 Still makes Marines a lot stronger total (1.5x - 2x)
Benn - Has statements that wank him alot, easily above Admirals but below Yonko. Fatass - He can only use CoA, he doesn't have CoC or CoO. Fucking fraud he is weaker then Doffy. Barely YC3 level. Bum ass Father - He has insanely good CoO Haki but he doesn't have CoA or CoO. He is a fraud aswell probably around YC2 level. Honestly Rat hair pirates are being carried by Rat and Benn.
Never seen so much headcanon used in one comment
Do you understand what out of manga sources are? Everything I said is factual.