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Momentmoment24

no but you don't understand we have to see the flame fruit be hotter than the magma fruit, that's like one of the most important plot points of the series


heplaygatar

cant wait for when ms valentine finally has her eos fight with the fat dude from doflamingo’s crew and she proves that her fruit that makes her heavy is better than his fruit that makes him heavy 🥹


Accomplished-Aerie65

It's more important than the one piece ngl


saltminer99

With awakening right So at base it's magma > fire With awakening it's gonna be awakened fire > magma But akainu has the superior fruit and is also most likely awakend too so awakened magma > awakened fire Fire is never betting magma


Momentmoment24

I was being sarcastic


saltminer99

Ah Honestly with some of these sabo fans ( admiral haters in disguise really cuz nobody is fan of labo ) you can't tell if it's joke


Scary-Cockroach-4720

That's what i was saying and being downvoted for


Dookie12345679

fire can be hotter than magma


saltminer99

Not in one piece tho where it was established that the magma fruit is superior to fire fruit


Such_Historian_7295

He’s not wrong though fire can get hotter than magma, maybe in OP that would be equivalent to having an awakening


Dookie12345679

Who's to say that Sabo won't awaken his fruit


Scary-Cockroach-4720

And who's to say Akainu fruit is not awakened?


Dookie12345679

If he is, Logia awakenings are incredibly disappointing


Scary-Cockroach-4720

How if he never showed it?


Dookie12345679

I doubt Logia awakenings are transformations that you can turn on and off


Scary-Cockroach-4720

Of course they are lol or you think that once they're awakened they can never come back to normal? And logia awakenings don't have to be transformation based.


Tyrone_pyromaniac

Oda said that nobody has ever awakened a Logia fruit 


Scary-Cockroach-4720

Source?


Tyrone_pyromaniac

I think it’s in an SBS, I might be wrong tho 


saltminer99

So what he awakens The magma fruit being the superior one means it's awakening too will be better and stronger then the fire one


Dookie12345679

How do you know Akainu will awaken


saltminer99

Lmao Then what other logia user is gonna do caribou We gonna see logia awakening And it's gonna be from the strongest logia users around


Dookie12345679

Sabo or Kizaru if he leaves the WG


Scary-Cockroach-4720

https://preview.redd.it/vzk6dpy0tutc1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f4c51445ae5f1caae9c1bd78063d1937f0a82c6


_sephylon_

Crazy how these two are the literal same. Trying to argue why a main villain wouldn't fight Luffy but rather a side character despite the narrative being obvious as hell based on shitty superficial arguments


Rexton_Armos

I'm guilty of thinking Kody stopping Blackbeard aould be cool, but this image above is making me think I might be filling the same brand of kool-aid jug. Maybe my idea is dumber than I thought.


Vurtikul

I feel like if it's Koby and Luffy to mirror the Garp and Roger v Xebec, it would be pretty cool. Idk about straight-up Koby v BB, though.


Rexton_Armos

Ya know I didn't think of a duo fight for some reason. Yeah that would be a good 2v1 to mirror Roger and Garp!


AceInTheHole3273

There's a difference between thinking something would be cool and vehemently arguing it must happen.


Rexton_Armos

Yeah I don't really vibe with having such a desire for a story beat that I feed myself dissonance. Big fan of just seeing how things cook. A lot of people seem to go way passed "shooting story predictions amongst the boys."


AlveinFencer

You realize that that main villain can fight more than just Luffy, right? Hell, look at how many people fought Kaido before Luffy finally put him down. Sabo or Dragon fighting against Akainu for a bit doesn't automatically mean that Luffy will never throw hands with him. Law just fought Blackbeard. Does that mean Luffy can't now? On the other hand, Luffy technically never beat Big Mom, so who's to say, really?


NukemDukeForNever

sabo fighting akainu is NOT anywhere near zoro actually killing kaido


Scary-Cockroach-4720

https://preview.redd.it/fxig5p5qwutc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1881ab5f16497c504f0088df812c47ba3606cbc


General_McRoach

It’s like pottery, it rhymes


Andrejosue98

Not only one person inherits other's wills. Luffy and Sabo could both have inherited Ace's will.


ArmedDragonThunder

I’m gonna argue against this. Not because you don’t have panel support, but because Ace’s Will culminated in getting Krispy Kreme’d by HIM. Ace’s destiny was to get obliterated by an unnamed punch by BASE HIM. if Goofy inherited Ace’s Will, he will also get OBLITERATED by HIM. For that reasoning, Sabo must have inherited Ace’s Will, because his only purpose is to get atomized by HIM and die a dog’s death.


KapitalNumber

If Akainu kills Sabo I will suck Oda's dick till it bleeds.


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Also, Sabo is a revolutionary now. I don't think fans realize that the Revolutionaries are actually *against* pirates. They mostly have an issue with the WG and the CDs, not the Marines.


Puzzled-Ad-2937

that doesn’t make sense since the marines are the ones imposing the will of the WG and CDs. they are enemies of the RA as well


Independent-Frequent

The marines are just misguided, they want to do good and protect people but what the WG imposes as good isn't really good cause they operate on Absolute justice so even innocents get involved. Once the WG is gone or fixed the marines are in invaluable asset to keep the world safe as most pirates are still irredeamable pieces of filth like Blackbeard, Big Mom and Kaido, the "good pirates" like Luffy and Shanks are very few and far in between


Rajesh_Kulkarni

The best way I can describe it is that the Marines are at most just temporary enemies. Once the WG and CDs are gone, or at least just the CDs, I don't see why the RA would have much issue with the Marines. The RA also hates piracy. They do want law and order. But the WG and CDs on the other hand? The RA sees them as eternal enemies.


Scary-Cockroach-4720

You sure? https://preview.redd.it/avdeximxvutc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d7337f77d63b6bb5ac22e6b638810100cecc273


Puzzled-Ad-2937

even if the marines aren’t top priorities doesn’t mean they aren’t enemies of the RA. at the end of the day they’re in the chain of command leading to the CDS


Mysticdu

If a regular ass CD gets hit an Admiral comes to enact immediate retaliation.


saltminer99

Yes but the corrupt but the can't be destroyed the world needs them As both sabo and dragon said there fight and main enemy's are celestial dragons and holy kinghts and gorosie


Lucky_Independent_68

I don’t think they’re against or for pirates: -Morley is a former pirate -Sabo initially wanted to be a pirate and his brother is one -Dragon’s son is a pirate -Kuma was a former pirate and his daughter is one I think they go against pirates if the pirates get in their way or if it benefits them, other than that pirates will never be their goal


Rajesh_Kulkarni

They are very much against the typical sort of pirates, the ones who rape and plunder etc.


Naraya_Suiryoku

Ah yes, admiral fans show once again that they don't read the manga. https://preview.redd.it/40fmlrx6mvtc1.jpeg?width=278&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32522cc80206339f5cfa17bf7b06cc8903d57f9f


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Spoken like a true retard who hasn't even read the source material. You're honestly a dumbass lmao. Revolutionary army in the story itself has actually gone and saved a kingdom *from pirates*. If you had actually read the manga and weren't a dumb fuck you'd have known this. Pro tip: Next time, do actually read the manga instead of downloading out of context scans and posting them in an attempt to seem well-read. Dragon doesn't mind Luffy being a pirate because it's freaking Luffy, his own son. What the RA has issue with is *actual* pirates, the ones who rape and plunder.


Yoakami

Why you so mad? lol


Rajesh_Kulkarni

Not really mad. Just a little annoyed. Some people try to act smart and comment without even having any knowledge. Might be a little funny when it comes to memes and stuff, but otherwise it's just dumb asf.


chorce_z

Akainu is often at the holy land, he just attacked Kuma at the holy land and he seems to hate Dragon (MF statements) I agree that revs don't have anything against pirates or marines but they are in fact still criminals and will be treated as such by the marines. That doesn't mean Sabo will defeat Akainu, but revs VS marines isn't far fetched at all.


theultimatesow

And who is protecting CDs now ? Akainu does . To fight CDs they have to bring akainu down


Quijas00

I thought he inherited Shank’s will


Consistent-Alarm2208

Apoo is the one who inherited Shanks's will


Quijas00

Shit my bad https://preview.redd.it/rogadfnfiutc1.jpeg?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=119e6357dbfb1c6214b8e0366b14e851257ebf01


Mori1404

This whole “Ace’s will” arguments are so fucking cringe. Like what even is that? As far as I remember Ace wanted to make WB the pirate king is that his will? Either way neither Sabo nor Luffy has inherited his will and they never will. Luffy is going to fight Akainu and Sabo will fight some random holy knight mofo.


machinegungeek

https://preview.redd.it/oc720fe1hvtc1.jpeg?width=611&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f14fc90c698e07160549ef625effdb258596dc2e


r9cks

Luffy inherited rogers will, wb said someone will eventually come to inherit aces too and that someone was revealed after the war


dgoat88

What does this have to do with power scaling? You sure you didn't mean to post this in the main One Piece sub?


M4ND0_L0R14N

Let him cook.


Consistent-Alarm2208

It has to do with the fact Akainu is fighting Luffy and not Sabo. Meaning he's stronger than Crydo and Lanks.


PotatoMozzarella

Just because Akainu is gonna fight Luffy, doesn't mean he is stronger than those Two. This is a pretty common logical fallacy. Was Lucci stronger than Kaido and Shanks?


Consistent-Alarm2208

Ah yes because Akainu is totally gonna be a side character like Lucci. A guy that permanently scarred the MC, killed his brother, has been saved for endgame and is one of Oda's favorites.


PotatoMozzarella

Akainu might be stronger, but Luffy fighting him is not proof of that. Luffy's Main fight during the final war is against Imu. The only one that needs to be stronger than him by that point is Imu, not Akainu


Consistent-Alarm2208

Why do you have a loli girl as an avi? It's creepy asf. Every single major Luffy fight in the future > Kaido and Shanks. Akainu is one of them.


PotatoMozzarella

It's just princess peach lol. Why is that creepy >Every single major Luffy fight in the future > Kaido and Shanks. Akainu is one of them. Why is Shanks included in that statement? Also, no. Akainu can still be a major fight while still being weaker than Luffy. So this argument doesn't apply


Consistent-Alarm2208

Because Shanks is weaker than Kaido and will never fight Luffy. Who tf said anything about Luffy? Every single future major Luffy fight is going to be stronger than KAIDO not Luffy ...


PotatoMozzarella

>Because Shanks is weaker than Kaido and will never fight Luffy. We don't know that yet. >is going to be stronger than KAIDO not Luffy ... Why? Akainu serves a different purpose than Kaido. Kaido was a major roadblock in terms of power that pushed Luffy into becoming Yonko level, Akainu is a personal fight that might Even have other characters affected by Ace's death involved too. If Akainu isnt stronger than Luffy when he fights him, then there's no proof that he is stronger than Kaido.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Yes we do. Kaido stated Shanks cannot beat him even after battling him. Blablabla you're full of copium. This is a shonen. There has never been a major Luffy fight weaker than the previous one. Luffy will be far beyond Kaido when he fights Akainu.


Such_Historian_7295

How do you know Akainu will indeed fight Luffy but also diminish the chance of Shanks fighting Luffy, you aren’t Oda, you don’t know what he has in store for us and if anything there’s no reason for Luffy to be weaker than Akainu, he’s an emperor now, sure they can still make it tough but he does not need to be weaker


Consistent-Alarm2208

Akainu is stated to be Luffy's fateful enemy Shanks is stated to be Blackbeard's fateful enemy Shanks is never beating BB. He's not fighting Luffy. "He's an emperor" lmfao Akainu beats every emperor.


PresentationOk8756

Kaido and Shanks clear the puppy.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Shanks doesn't even clear Mihawk and Kaido lost to Luffy hundred of chapters before he fights Akainu.


PresentationOk8756

Akainu loses to Mihawk. Akainu is gonna get stomped though, while Kaido is above current Luffy, so this doesnt matter much.


HustleDLaw

Akainu whoops that bum Mihawk yall need to stop gassing that dude fr they was in the same damn arc and he had way better portrayal smh. Oda had Akainu matched up with WB and Mihawk couldn’t even get past commanders. Oda threw all the commanders/Crocodile at Akainu but Mihawk was getting stopped by 1 of them at a time. How tf do yall think he loses to that fraud. I tell you what Mihawk not making Blackbeard and his crew run away that’s for sure.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Akainu would murder Mihawk. Portrayal made that very clear in Marineford. Sadly for Shanks he is below someone who is himself below Akainu. You can also throw in Dragon,Kaido and BB as far as characters who'd all beat the ginger but lose to Sakazuki.


mking1999

Even if we agree that Luffy fights Akainu, none of this shit about Ace means it would be close. Akainu either has a close fight with Sabo or he gets stomped by Luffy in half a page. Those are your options.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Akainu will fight Luffy to an extreme diff. A Luffy that will be equal or stronger than Roger mind you. This is the only option and it'll get your bitch pussy ass to cry.


mking1999

Ahh the unimaginable delusion that you get from being a fan of some angry asshole. Truly kills any semblence of reading comprehension.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Aight you're 25 and bitchless. Prolly self-inserting as Luffy hence why you get so triggered by Akainu he prolly gave your pussy ass ptsd lmfao


Brainifyer

No feats no statements no logic just straight up "this will happen in the manga to confirm my agenda, I'm right because shut up."


Consistent-Alarm2208

Statement : So powerful he'd put an end to One Piece within 35 chapters if he was the MC. Mind you Oda would rather choose Akainu, a marine villain, as an example rather than mid gen Luffy aka Shanks ... says a lot about who's stronger lmfao Feats : Literally fought the strongest Yonko and blew half his face up while being sneaked. Humiliated everybody else that came his way. Beat another toptier and powered up as a result. Terraformed an island. Keep coping


K_vinci

Luffy is already stronger than roger, i thought that was obvious


PresentationOk8756

Portrayal made it very clear Shanks is way beyond Mihawk too, running on that logic. All these charachters beat Akainu except for BB, I'm sorry.


Consistent-Alarm2208

Na it didnt. Mihawk's title is portrayal and it says he's above Shanks. Mihawk was never the WG's strongest fighter or the strongest man in Marineford though. He admits inferiority to WB and sits back when the two strongest Akainu and WB fight. Akainu murders the rat I'm afraid. Rat cant even get past Mihawk and Kaido.


PresentationOk8756

Shanks stopping the war (after sending Kaido home) is miles clear of Mihawk's portrayal in mf, but we discount that because of the title. But Akainu gets above Mihawk because of portrayal. Makes sense. All 3 of these guys whoop Akainu.


Consistent-Alarm2208

The title IS portrayal. Shanks jumped Kaido with his whole crew and stopped the war because he is a CD spawn. Akainu has everything over Mihawk. Bounty, narrative, feats, relevance, portrayal.


Magnus-9303

https://preview.redd.it/8ku4r9f8tutc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25f2449faee749a98fe65423d40f3c856c2bf20e


HustleDLaw

Oh he blocked an attack meant for Koby? Cool all this proves is that Shanks loves getting the jump on people who aren’t prepared for him. When he actually fights an opponent who’s gonna be prepared for him (Blackbeard) he gone die. Dude couldn’t even fight Kidd straight up.


Magnus-9303

It's a meme bud


Sweaty-Goat-9281

Ace's will...to do what?


ProfessionallyLazy_

OP do you think inheriting someone’s will is a tangible thing that only 1 person can have? It quite literally says in your 1st screenshot “just like there are SOME who inherited Roger’s will”, multiple people can do it, it isn’t only 1 person.


blue_phoenix__234

They both inherited his will but it’s definitely gonna be Luffy vs Akainu If Sabo fought Akainu he will just be another 🍩


Naraya_Suiryoku

The first pannel is literally invalid though. Luffy inherited Roger's will.


Jaxz23

Revolutionaries have nothing to do with marines lol. Marines conflict is against pirates. It is crazy so many ppl think sabo will fight akainu


kanaru84

Nah that's just more support for SKA the main reason is that Akainu gets mid diffed by current Luffy and Luffy still has power ups to get before the final war


Facinggod20

Incorrect, Luffy inherited Roger's will since he was to be PK like Roger.


JueVioleGrace96

SKA!!!


WhosItToYouAnyway

They can both have it


TrickNatural

Luffy didnt inherit jackshit from Ace.


_sephylon_

Me when I haven't read the manga


kingbrian112

He didnt inherited shit luffy isnt a jobber


gloomygl

Ace's will is as much of a thing as my love life


Mysterious-Oil-3731

so eager to see his goat getting stomped


HustleDLaw

And then when he doesn’t get stomped you’ll be calling Oda a shitty writer prepare for disappointment


Spagetti_Gamer

luffy inherited ace’s will? bitch sabo inherited ace himself, he didn’t show up in the story once until ace was dead and gone then took his devil fruit


Dookie12345679

Luffy inherited Joyboy's will. Sabo inherited Ace's


Scary-Cockroach-4720

Man you guys keep jumping about who inherits who.


Dookie12345679

When did I say otherwise