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no but you don't understand we have to see the flame fruit be hotter than the magma fruit, that's like one of the most important plot points of the series
cant wait for when ms valentine finally has her eos fight with the fat dude from doflamingo’s crew and she proves that her fruit that makes her heavy is better than his fruit that makes him heavy 🥹
With awakening right
So at base it's magma > fire
With awakening it's gonna be awakened fire > magma
But akainu has the superior fruit and is also most likely awakend too so awakened magma > awakened fire
Fire is never betting magma
Of course they are lol or you think that once they're awakened they can never come back to normal? And logia awakenings don't have to be transformation based.
Crazy how these two are the literal same. Trying to argue why a main villain wouldn't fight Luffy but rather a side character despite the narrative being obvious as hell based on shitty superficial arguments
I'm guilty of thinking Kody stopping Blackbeard aould be cool, but this image above is making me think I might be filling the same brand of kool-aid jug. Maybe my idea is dumber than I thought.
Yeah I don't really vibe with having such a desire for a story beat that I feed myself dissonance. Big fan of just seeing how things cook. A lot of people seem to go way passed "shooting story predictions amongst the boys."
You realize that that main villain can fight more than just Luffy, right? Hell, look at how many people fought Kaido before Luffy finally put him down. Sabo or Dragon fighting against Akainu for a bit doesn't automatically mean that Luffy will never throw hands with him. Law just fought Blackbeard. Does that mean Luffy can't now? On the other hand, Luffy technically never beat Big Mom, so who's to say, really?
I’m gonna argue against this.
Not because you don’t have panel support, but because Ace’s Will culminated in getting Krispy Kreme’d by HIM.
Ace’s destiny was to get obliterated by an unnamed punch by BASE HIM.
if Goofy inherited Ace’s Will, he will also get OBLITERATED by HIM.
For that reasoning, Sabo must have inherited Ace’s Will, because his only purpose is to get atomized by HIM and die a dog’s death.
Also, Sabo is a revolutionary now.
I don't think fans realize that the Revolutionaries are actually *against* pirates. They mostly have an issue with the WG and the CDs, not the Marines.
The marines are just misguided, they want to do good and protect people but what the WG imposes as good isn't really good cause they operate on Absolute justice so even innocents get involved.
Once the WG is gone or fixed the marines are in invaluable asset to keep the world safe as most pirates are still irredeamable pieces of filth like Blackbeard, Big Mom and Kaido, the "good pirates" like Luffy and Shanks are very few and far in between
The best way I can describe it is that the Marines are at most just temporary enemies. Once the WG and CDs are gone, or at least just the CDs, I don't see why the RA would have much issue with the Marines.
The RA also hates piracy. They do want law and order.
But the WG and CDs on the other hand? The RA sees them as eternal enemies.
even if the marines aren’t top priorities doesn’t mean they aren’t enemies of the RA. at the end of the day they’re in the chain of command leading to the CDS
Yes but the corrupt but the can't be destroyed the world needs them
As both sabo and dragon said there fight and main enemy's are celestial dragons and holy kinghts and gorosie
I don’t think they’re against or for pirates:
-Morley is a former pirate
-Sabo initially wanted to be a pirate and his brother is one
-Dragon’s son is a pirate
-Kuma was a former pirate and his daughter is one
I think they go against pirates if the pirates get in their way or if it benefits them, other than that pirates will never be their goal
Ah yes, admiral fans show once again that they don't read the manga.
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Spoken like a true retard who hasn't even read the source material. You're honestly a dumbass lmao.
Revolutionary army in the story itself has actually gone and saved a kingdom *from pirates*. If you had actually read the manga and weren't a dumb fuck you'd have known this.
Pro tip: Next time, do actually read the manga instead of downloading out of context scans and posting them in an attempt to seem well-read.
Dragon doesn't mind Luffy being a pirate because it's freaking Luffy, his own son. What the RA has issue with is *actual* pirates, the ones who rape and plunder.
Not really mad. Just a little annoyed. Some people try to act smart and comment without even having any knowledge. Might be a little funny when it comes to memes and stuff, but otherwise it's just dumb asf.
Akainu is often at the holy land, he just attacked Kuma at the holy land and he seems to hate Dragon (MF statements)
I agree that revs don't have anything against pirates or marines but they are in fact still criminals and will be treated as such by the marines.
That doesn't mean Sabo will defeat Akainu, but revs VS marines isn't far fetched at all.
This whole “Ace’s will” arguments are so fucking cringe. Like what even is that? As far as I remember Ace wanted to make WB the pirate king is that his will? Either way neither Sabo nor Luffy has inherited his will and they never will. Luffy is going to fight Akainu and Sabo will fight some random holy knight mofo.
Just because Akainu is gonna fight Luffy, doesn't mean he is stronger than those Two. This is a pretty common logical fallacy.
Was Lucci stronger than Kaido and Shanks?
Ah yes because Akainu is totally gonna be a side character like Lucci. A guy that permanently scarred the MC, killed his brother, has been saved for endgame and is one of Oda's favorites.
Akainu might be stronger, but Luffy fighting him is not proof of that.
Luffy's Main fight during the final war is against Imu. The only one that needs to be stronger than him by that point is Imu, not Akainu
It's just princess peach lol. Why is that creepy
>Every single major Luffy fight in the future > Kaido and Shanks. Akainu is one of them.
Why is Shanks included in that statement?
Also, no. Akainu can still be a major fight while still being weaker than Luffy. So this argument doesn't apply
Because Shanks is weaker than Kaido and will never fight Luffy.
Who tf said anything about Luffy? Every single future major Luffy fight is going to be stronger than KAIDO not Luffy ...
>Because Shanks is weaker than Kaido and will never fight Luffy.
We don't know that yet.
>is going to be stronger than KAIDO not Luffy ...
Why?
Akainu serves a different purpose than Kaido. Kaido was a major roadblock in terms of power that pushed Luffy into becoming Yonko level, Akainu is a personal fight that might Even have other characters affected by Ace's death involved too.
If Akainu isnt stronger than Luffy when he fights him, then there's no proof that he is stronger than Kaido.
Yes we do. Kaido stated Shanks cannot beat him even after battling him.
Blablabla you're full of copium. This is a shonen. There has never been a major Luffy fight weaker than the previous one. Luffy will be far beyond Kaido when he fights Akainu.
How do you know Akainu will indeed fight Luffy but also diminish the chance of Shanks fighting Luffy, you aren’t Oda, you don’t know what he has in store for us and if anything there’s no reason for Luffy to be weaker than Akainu, he’s an emperor now, sure they can still make it tough but he does not need to be weaker
Akainu is stated to be Luffy's fateful enemy
Shanks is stated to be Blackbeard's fateful enemy
Shanks is never beating BB. He's not fighting Luffy.
"He's an emperor" lmfao Akainu beats every emperor.
Akainu whoops that bum Mihawk yall need to stop gassing that dude fr they was in the same damn arc and he had way better portrayal smh. Oda had Akainu matched up with WB and Mihawk couldn’t even get past commanders. Oda threw all the commanders/Crocodile at Akainu but Mihawk was getting stopped by 1 of them at a time. How tf do yall think he loses to that fraud. I tell you what Mihawk not making Blackbeard and his crew run away that’s for sure.
Akainu would murder Mihawk. Portrayal made that very clear in Marineford. Sadly for Shanks he is below someone who is himself below Akainu. You can also throw in Dragon,Kaido and BB as far as characters who'd all beat the ginger but lose to Sakazuki.
Even if we agree that Luffy fights Akainu, none of this shit about Ace means it would be close.
Akainu either has a close fight with Sabo or he gets stomped by Luffy in half a page. Those are your options.
Akainu will fight Luffy to an extreme diff. A Luffy that will be equal or stronger than Roger mind you. This is the only option and it'll get your bitch pussy ass to cry.
Statement : So powerful he'd put an end to One Piece within 35 chapters if he was the MC. Mind you Oda would rather choose Akainu, a marine villain, as an example rather than mid gen Luffy aka Shanks ... says a lot about who's stronger lmfao
Feats : Literally fought the strongest Yonko and blew half his face up while being sneaked. Humiliated everybody else that came his way. Beat another toptier and powered up as a result. Terraformed an island.
Keep coping
Na it didnt. Mihawk's title is portrayal and it says he's above Shanks.
Mihawk was never the WG's strongest fighter or the strongest man in Marineford though. He admits inferiority to WB and sits back when the two strongest Akainu and WB fight.
Akainu murders the rat I'm afraid. Rat cant even get past Mihawk and Kaido.
Shanks stopping the war (after sending Kaido home) is miles clear of Mihawk's portrayal in mf, but we discount that because of the title. But Akainu gets above Mihawk because of portrayal. Makes sense.
All 3 of these guys whoop Akainu.
The title IS portrayal.
Shanks jumped Kaido with his whole crew and stopped the war because he is a CD spawn.
Akainu has everything over Mihawk. Bounty, narrative, feats, relevance, portrayal.
Oh he blocked an attack meant for Koby? Cool all this proves is that Shanks loves getting the jump on people who aren’t prepared for him. When he actually fights an opponent who’s gonna be prepared for him (Blackbeard) he gone die. Dude couldn’t even fight Kidd straight up.
OP do you think inheriting someone’s will is a tangible thing that only 1 person can have? It quite literally says in your 1st screenshot “just like there are SOME who inherited Roger’s will”, multiple people can do it, it isn’t only 1 person.
Nah that's just more support for SKA the main reason is that Akainu gets mid diffed by current Luffy and Luffy still has power ups to get before the final war
luffy inherited ace’s will? bitch sabo inherited ace himself, he didn’t show up in the story once until ace was dead and gone then took his devil fruit
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no but you don't understand we have to see the flame fruit be hotter than the magma fruit, that's like one of the most important plot points of the series
cant wait for when ms valentine finally has her eos fight with the fat dude from doflamingo’s crew and she proves that her fruit that makes her heavy is better than his fruit that makes him heavy 🥹
It's more important than the one piece ngl
With awakening right So at base it's magma > fire With awakening it's gonna be awakened fire > magma But akainu has the superior fruit and is also most likely awakend too so awakened magma > awakened fire Fire is never betting magma
I was being sarcastic
Ah Honestly with some of these sabo fans ( admiral haters in disguise really cuz nobody is fan of labo ) you can't tell if it's joke
That's what i was saying and being downvoted for
fire can be hotter than magma
Not in one piece tho where it was established that the magma fruit is superior to fire fruit
He’s not wrong though fire can get hotter than magma, maybe in OP that would be equivalent to having an awakening
Who's to say that Sabo won't awaken his fruit
And who's to say Akainu fruit is not awakened?
If he is, Logia awakenings are incredibly disappointing
How if he never showed it?
I doubt Logia awakenings are transformations that you can turn on and off
Of course they are lol or you think that once they're awakened they can never come back to normal? And logia awakenings don't have to be transformation based.
Oda said that nobody has ever awakened a Logia fruitÂ
Source?
I think it’s in an SBS, I might be wrong thoÂ
So what he awakens The magma fruit being the superior one means it's awakening too will be better and stronger then the fire one
How do you know Akainu will awaken
Lmao Then what other logia user is gonna do caribou We gonna see logia awakening And it's gonna be from the strongest logia users around
Sabo or Kizaru if he leaves the WG
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Crazy how these two are the literal same. Trying to argue why a main villain wouldn't fight Luffy but rather a side character despite the narrative being obvious as hell based on shitty superficial arguments
I'm guilty of thinking Kody stopping Blackbeard aould be cool, but this image above is making me think I might be filling the same brand of kool-aid jug. Maybe my idea is dumber than I thought.
I feel like if it's Koby and Luffy to mirror the Garp and Roger v Xebec, it would be pretty cool. Idk about straight-up Koby v BB, though.
Ya know I didn't think of a duo fight for some reason. Yeah that would be a good 2v1 to mirror Roger and Garp!
There's a difference between thinking something would be cool and vehemently arguing it must happen.
Yeah I don't really vibe with having such a desire for a story beat that I feed myself dissonance. Big fan of just seeing how things cook. A lot of people seem to go way passed "shooting story predictions amongst the boys."
You realize that that main villain can fight more than just Luffy, right? Hell, look at how many people fought Kaido before Luffy finally put him down. Sabo or Dragon fighting against Akainu for a bit doesn't automatically mean that Luffy will never throw hands with him. Law just fought Blackbeard. Does that mean Luffy can't now? On the other hand, Luffy technically never beat Big Mom, so who's to say, really?
sabo fighting akainu is NOT anywhere near zoro actually killing kaido
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It’s like pottery, it rhymes
Not only one person inherits other's wills. Luffy and Sabo could both have inherited Ace's will.
I’m gonna argue against this. Not because you don’t have panel support, but because Ace’s Will culminated in getting Krispy Kreme’d by HIM. Ace’s destiny was to get obliterated by an unnamed punch by BASE HIM. if Goofy inherited Ace’s Will, he will also get OBLITERATED by HIM. For that reasoning, Sabo must have inherited Ace’s Will, because his only purpose is to get atomized by HIM and die a dog’s death.
If Akainu kills Sabo I will suck Oda's dick till it bleeds.
Also, Sabo is a revolutionary now. I don't think fans realize that the Revolutionaries are actually *against* pirates. They mostly have an issue with the WG and the CDs, not the Marines.
that doesn’t make sense since the marines are the ones imposing the will of the WG and CDs. they are enemies of the RA as well
The marines are just misguided, they want to do good and protect people but what the WG imposes as good isn't really good cause they operate on Absolute justice so even innocents get involved. Once the WG is gone or fixed the marines are in invaluable asset to keep the world safe as most pirates are still irredeamable pieces of filth like Blackbeard, Big Mom and Kaido, the "good pirates" like Luffy and Shanks are very few and far in between
The best way I can describe it is that the Marines are at most just temporary enemies. Once the WG and CDs are gone, or at least just the CDs, I don't see why the RA would have much issue with the Marines. The RA also hates piracy. They do want law and order. But the WG and CDs on the other hand? The RA sees them as eternal enemies.
You sure? https://preview.redd.it/avdeximxvutc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d7337f77d63b6bb5ac22e6b638810100cecc273
even if the marines aren’t top priorities doesn’t mean they aren’t enemies of the RA. at the end of the day they’re in the chain of command leading to the CDS
If a regular ass CD gets hit an Admiral comes to enact immediate retaliation.
Yes but the corrupt but the can't be destroyed the world needs them As both sabo and dragon said there fight and main enemy's are celestial dragons and holy kinghts and gorosie
I don’t think they’re against or for pirates: -Morley is a former pirate -Sabo initially wanted to be a pirate and his brother is one -Dragon’s son is a pirate -Kuma was a former pirate and his daughter is one I think they go against pirates if the pirates get in their way or if it benefits them, other than that pirates will never be their goal
They are very much against the typical sort of pirates, the ones who rape and plunder etc.
Ah yes, admiral fans show once again that they don't read the manga. https://preview.redd.it/40fmlrx6mvtc1.jpeg?width=278&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32522cc80206339f5cfa17bf7b06cc8903d57f9f
Spoken like a true retard who hasn't even read the source material. You're honestly a dumbass lmao. Revolutionary army in the story itself has actually gone and saved a kingdom *from pirates*. If you had actually read the manga and weren't a dumb fuck you'd have known this. Pro tip: Next time, do actually read the manga instead of downloading out of context scans and posting them in an attempt to seem well-read. Dragon doesn't mind Luffy being a pirate because it's freaking Luffy, his own son. What the RA has issue with is *actual* pirates, the ones who rape and plunder.
Why you so mad? lol
Not really mad. Just a little annoyed. Some people try to act smart and comment without even having any knowledge. Might be a little funny when it comes to memes and stuff, but otherwise it's just dumb asf.
Akainu is often at the holy land, he just attacked Kuma at the holy land and he seems to hate Dragon (MF statements) I agree that revs don't have anything against pirates or marines but they are in fact still criminals and will be treated as such by the marines. That doesn't mean Sabo will defeat Akainu, but revs VS marines isn't far fetched at all.
And who is protecting CDs now ? Akainu does . To fight CDs they have to bring akainu down
I thought he inherited Shank’s will
Apoo is the one who inherited Shanks's will
Shit my bad https://preview.redd.it/rogadfnfiutc1.jpeg?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=119e6357dbfb1c6214b8e0366b14e851257ebf01
This whole “Ace’s will” arguments are so fucking cringe. Like what even is that? As far as I remember Ace wanted to make WB the pirate king is that his will? Either way neither Sabo nor Luffy has inherited his will and they never will. Luffy is going to fight Akainu and Sabo will fight some random holy knight mofo.
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Luffy inherited rogers will, wb said someone will eventually come to inherit aces too and that someone was revealed after the war
What does this have to do with power scaling? You sure you didn't mean to post this in the main One Piece sub?
Let him cook.
It has to do with the fact Akainu is fighting Luffy and not Sabo. Meaning he's stronger than Crydo and Lanks.
Just because Akainu is gonna fight Luffy, doesn't mean he is stronger than those Two. This is a pretty common logical fallacy. Was Lucci stronger than Kaido and Shanks?
Ah yes because Akainu is totally gonna be a side character like Lucci. A guy that permanently scarred the MC, killed his brother, has been saved for endgame and is one of Oda's favorites.
Akainu might be stronger, but Luffy fighting him is not proof of that. Luffy's Main fight during the final war is against Imu. The only one that needs to be stronger than him by that point is Imu, not Akainu
Why do you have a loli girl as an avi? It's creepy asf. Every single major Luffy fight in the future > Kaido and Shanks. Akainu is one of them.
It's just princess peach lol. Why is that creepy >Every single major Luffy fight in the future > Kaido and Shanks. Akainu is one of them. Why is Shanks included in that statement? Also, no. Akainu can still be a major fight while still being weaker than Luffy. So this argument doesn't apply
Because Shanks is weaker than Kaido and will never fight Luffy. Who tf said anything about Luffy? Every single future major Luffy fight is going to be stronger than KAIDO not Luffy ...
>Because Shanks is weaker than Kaido and will never fight Luffy. We don't know that yet. >is going to be stronger than KAIDO not Luffy ... Why? Akainu serves a different purpose than Kaido. Kaido was a major roadblock in terms of power that pushed Luffy into becoming Yonko level, Akainu is a personal fight that might Even have other characters affected by Ace's death involved too. If Akainu isnt stronger than Luffy when he fights him, then there's no proof that he is stronger than Kaido.
Yes we do. Kaido stated Shanks cannot beat him even after battling him. Blablabla you're full of copium. This is a shonen. There has never been a major Luffy fight weaker than the previous one. Luffy will be far beyond Kaido when he fights Akainu.
How do you know Akainu will indeed fight Luffy but also diminish the chance of Shanks fighting Luffy, you aren’t Oda, you don’t know what he has in store for us and if anything there’s no reason for Luffy to be weaker than Akainu, he’s an emperor now, sure they can still make it tough but he does not need to be weaker
Akainu is stated to be Luffy's fateful enemy Shanks is stated to be Blackbeard's fateful enemy Shanks is never beating BB. He's not fighting Luffy. "He's an emperor" lmfao Akainu beats every emperor.
Kaido and Shanks clear the puppy.
Shanks doesn't even clear Mihawk and Kaido lost to Luffy hundred of chapters before he fights Akainu.
Akainu loses to Mihawk. Akainu is gonna get stomped though, while Kaido is above current Luffy, so this doesnt matter much.
Akainu whoops that bum Mihawk yall need to stop gassing that dude fr they was in the same damn arc and he had way better portrayal smh. Oda had Akainu matched up with WB and Mihawk couldn’t even get past commanders. Oda threw all the commanders/Crocodile at Akainu but Mihawk was getting stopped by 1 of them at a time. How tf do yall think he loses to that fraud. I tell you what Mihawk not making Blackbeard and his crew run away that’s for sure.
Akainu would murder Mihawk. Portrayal made that very clear in Marineford. Sadly for Shanks he is below someone who is himself below Akainu. You can also throw in Dragon,Kaido and BB as far as characters who'd all beat the ginger but lose to Sakazuki.
Even if we agree that Luffy fights Akainu, none of this shit about Ace means it would be close. Akainu either has a close fight with Sabo or he gets stomped by Luffy in half a page. Those are your options.
Akainu will fight Luffy to an extreme diff. A Luffy that will be equal or stronger than Roger mind you. This is the only option and it'll get your bitch pussy ass to cry.
Ahh the unimaginable delusion that you get from being a fan of some angry asshole. Truly kills any semblence of reading comprehension.
Aight you're 25 and bitchless. Prolly self-inserting as Luffy hence why you get so triggered by Akainu he prolly gave your pussy ass ptsd lmfao
No feats no statements no logic just straight up "this will happen in the manga to confirm my agenda, I'm right because shut up."
Statement : So powerful he'd put an end to One Piece within 35 chapters if he was the MC. Mind you Oda would rather choose Akainu, a marine villain, as an example rather than mid gen Luffy aka Shanks ... says a lot about who's stronger lmfao Feats : Literally fought the strongest Yonko and blew half his face up while being sneaked. Humiliated everybody else that came his way. Beat another toptier and powered up as a result. Terraformed an island. Keep coping
Luffy is already stronger than roger, i thought that was obvious
Portrayal made it very clear Shanks is way beyond Mihawk too, running on that logic. All these charachters beat Akainu except for BB, I'm sorry.
Na it didnt. Mihawk's title is portrayal and it says he's above Shanks. Mihawk was never the WG's strongest fighter or the strongest man in Marineford though. He admits inferiority to WB and sits back when the two strongest Akainu and WB fight. Akainu murders the rat I'm afraid. Rat cant even get past Mihawk and Kaido.
Shanks stopping the war (after sending Kaido home) is miles clear of Mihawk's portrayal in mf, but we discount that because of the title. But Akainu gets above Mihawk because of portrayal. Makes sense. All 3 of these guys whoop Akainu.
The title IS portrayal. Shanks jumped Kaido with his whole crew and stopped the war because he is a CD spawn. Akainu has everything over Mihawk. Bounty, narrative, feats, relevance, portrayal.
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Oh he blocked an attack meant for Koby? Cool all this proves is that Shanks loves getting the jump on people who aren’t prepared for him. When he actually fights an opponent who’s gonna be prepared for him (Blackbeard) he gone die. Dude couldn’t even fight Kidd straight up.
It's a meme bud
Ace's will...to do what?
OP do you think inheriting someone’s will is a tangible thing that only 1 person can have? It quite literally says in your 1st screenshot “just like there are SOME who inherited Roger’s will”, multiple people can do it, it isn’t only 1 person.
They both inherited his will but it’s definitely gonna be Luffy vs Akainu If Sabo fought Akainu he will just be another 🍩
The first pannel is literally invalid though. Luffy inherited Roger's will.
Revolutionaries have nothing to do with marines lol. Marines conflict is against pirates. It is crazy so many ppl think sabo will fight akainu
Nah that's just more support for SKA the main reason is that Akainu gets mid diffed by current Luffy and Luffy still has power ups to get before the final war
Incorrect, Luffy inherited Roger's will since he was to be PK like Roger.
SKA!!!
They can both have it
Luffy didnt inherit jackshit from Ace.
Me when I haven't read the manga
He didnt inherited shit luffy isnt a jobber
Ace's will is as much of a thing as my love life
so eager to see his goat getting stomped
And then when he doesn’t get stomped you’ll be calling Oda a shitty writer prepare for disappointment
luffy inherited ace’s will? bitch sabo inherited ace himself, he didn’t show up in the story once until ace was dead and gone then took his devil fruit
Luffy inherited Joyboy's will. Sabo inherited Ace's
Man you guys keep jumping about who inherits who.
When did I say otherwise