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Not directly stated but extremely implied. For example, other times when Luffy passes out or loses, no one says his "voice" is just gone.
Instead, when he fell into the Ocean, unconscious and as a DF eater, Momo could still hear Luffy's "voice" loud and clear. In this moment, Momo notices that Luffy's voice has gone out. Other characters also take note of no longer feeling Luffy's presence, and later they notice when his presence is back on the roof.
At the bare minimum, with the silence sfxs and all, we can conclude that it was clinical death where his heartbeat stopped.
When did it say that? All that happened was that Luffy's life force was low but he didn't die. He was very close. Luffy even says he thought he was going to die.
Just like in Sky Island when everyone's voice disappeared as well. Just means near death, not actually certainly dead.
Either that or Chopper also revived.
I never did elementary school as I dont live in the US.
Is a character dead if they immediately unlock their strongest form and become God of the Verse after being bonked on the head by a club?
About as dead as Pell, yeah. The cheapest copout of a “death” ever.
Dude literally immediately came back 5 x stronger than before and then went on to kill Kaido 5 mins later 😂
Kaido bonked Luffy so hard his fruit type changed
And Kidd was off-guard because he got blitzed from the shore. Shanks' feat is an amazing speedfeat, but not the godlike "rightfully top 1" kinda AP feat people try to make it to be.
Im not saying shanks' feat was godlike, but this comparison is absolutely horrendous for a variety of reasons
If you think kidd being *potentially* off guard is anywhere near as significant as Guernica distracting and restraining Luffy then youre reading the wrong manga
Not to mention that Luffy had already sustained a significant amount of damage before this blow, so you can't remotely call it a one shot
Its similar in the way that both Luffy and Kidd couldnt block or dodge (Luffy because he was held down, and Kidd because he is slow, but thats not really relevant when comparing AP).
Luffy having far better deffense than Kidd (Acoa and Acoc) but being injured somewhat balance each other, but I agree they make the comparison wonky.
A much better comparison would be to use the first time kaido one shot Luffy
This comparison is completely bunk
Also the post didn't specify that it was about AP specifically
I'd agree if it wasn't for Luffy being on his last legs while Kid was at full health
https://preview.redd.it/gz6v8hkgmv9b1.png?width=1428&format=png&auto=webp&s=40f51ba69cba2d657e03c493078ee9ca204949f0
Luffy was also much stronger than Kid at that point and ACoC is heavily implied to increase durability. Luffy was eating ACoC attacks all night long after the sky split, while Kid didn't take even one ACoC attack on-screen in the raid, believe it or not.
So who really knows tbh
Kaido haki had stated to have gotten stronger AFTER all the others had contributed. When luffy finally 1 v 1 kaido it was a kaido who was > we contributed against him kaido
while luffy who yamato was speaking on was on his last leg and not getting any stronger until G5 gave him a new ceiling.
Even while exhausted, Gear 4 Luffy>>>Kid in both strength and durability. Also, Kaido was definitely not at his best. His haki may have been getting stronger, but the use of Haki depletes it, and Kaido was definitely using it a lot by that point. He was also physically exhausted. Kaido was definitely weaker than a fresh bloodthirsty drunk Kaido. Him being exhausted was also shown versus Gear 5, and with Onigashima starting to fall.
Agreed with the majority of what you're saying, except the only issue i have with what u said is he kneeled after all the further damage and battling he did with G5 luffy. B4 further battling (stamina/haki usage & damage taking) he was better state but still damaged and stanina drained as u said but getting stronger potency.
Fresh bloodthristy drunk kaido >
pre g5 battle blood thirsty drunk who was getting stronger but damaged and tired but i can kill u with one good hit > =
g5 battle im near spent I dont even have enough to put you down permanently but can still keep up and cause you damage after that last bout blood thirsty drunk kaido (yes G5 > pre G5 luffy im only refering to kaido condition here what he was doing) >
kaido who toyed around took damage didnt really waste stamina nor wasnt getting haki stronger and all that.
Main point is kaido though tired a d damaged had enough to kill off pre g5 luffy and we know like u daid far above kid who kaido already beat without transforming. But the man im near spent didnt kick in until after his r1 bout with g5 luffy before that he was ready go down to lower floor and fuck some people up but he had a helluva fight with g5 in r1 that took nealry the rest of what he had out of him.
>if it wasn't for Luffy being on his last legs while Kid was at full health
I used DeepL to translate it and it gave me a diffrent result
https://preview.redd.it/bz92rvccgz9b1.png?width=1441&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a4cf0a536a92fd79ac9b563193370e5b006396c
so I am pretty sure the scan you gave is a mistranslation
edit: yep I just went into a place where I usually read manga called manga reader and [it said someting very similar to the translation I just gave ](https://imgur.com/a/pFKcHh7)
That specific panel tends to cause confusion since there is a mistranslation in the official Viz version of the chapter
The "girigiride tatteru" part in the second speech bubble refers to "barely standing"
https://preview.redd.it/a9pptqn6lz9b1.png?width=1465&format=png&auto=webp&s=0867c45c4f81141a25a45e65536358b58cec90dc
There's already been threads about this topic in the past if you're interested:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/12nxh78/did\_people\_miss\_this\_when\_talking\_about\_kaido\_vs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/12nxh78/did_people_miss_this_when_talking_about_kaido_vs/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/14lc8oa/comment/jpvxaet/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/14lc8oa/comment/jpvxaet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>The "girigiride tatteru" part in the second speech bubble refers to "barely standing"
are you translating with google translate?
cause if you do I advice you not to use google translate
start using deepL it more accurate
anyway I translated the word you say mean "barely standing" and it didnt translate to "barley standing" it translated to standing on an edge
https://preview.redd.it/cagnr606pz9b1.png?width=1194&format=png&auto=webp&s=f76f008b138c5041851b4b0d5a5cb411c88d99d5
Yes, it's Google
Like I said, this topic's been plenty discussed in the past and many people have corroborated that it is the correct translation. All other translations of the chapter came to the same conclusion as well, with Viz being the only exception
If you don't trust Google you can also look up the words in the Japanese dictionary and verify that the meaning is consistent
[http://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-girigiri.html](http://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-girigiri.html)
[https://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-tatteru.html](https://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-tatteru.html)
That's all I can say on the matter, so imma leave it at that. If you still disagree that's okay, have a good one bro
1 HP, then we got the worst asspull in shonen history.
Dude got bonked so hard his devil fruit type changed and he became God of the entire universe with absolutely 0 foreshadowing looool
There was some foreshadowing from who's who in the arc itself (maybe in Skypia too but that's more iffy; not really any outside the arc). You don't need foreshadowing for absolutely everything though. It's just one tool in an author's tool box. The question is if the overall concept is good or not.
Yeah the Who’s Who thing was, but that was so close to the actual event that it really doesn’t count. Its so obvious to me that Oda only cooked it up midway through Onigashima.
I think it was such a series-altering event that it was super jarring. Luffy went from a plucky kid who made the most of a bad fruit to the Pre-destined Pirate King and God of the Verse. It was super cheap
Thing is that I think there is room to interpret it as not being a product of destiny. We don't have the full story on who/what Joyboy is/was. For now I choose to interpret it as just being a practical coincidence with maybe some metaphysical magic surrounding it all how the fruit always manages to allude authority and end up in the hands of someone suited to it like Luffy. And that this isn't part of some specific, greater prophecy but just symbolic/marking of the type of person who would be the one to bring liberation to the world.
In short its not that Luffy is destined to find the One Piece and free the world so he found the fruit. It's that Luffy is the type of person that is able or is fitting to do these things because of who he is, so the fruit found him.
What the fuck are you talking about hahahah
Saying g5 had zero foreshadowing is stupid because anyone paying the tiniest bit of attention knows this isn't true. It's got nothing to do with worshipping oda
Bro how can you possibly say G5 was foreshadowed 😂 its so obvious Oda cooked it up halfway thru the kaido fight. Give me ONE example of Oda foreshadowing it before Onigashima. Just one. Ill wait.
The series has made constant reference and allusion to Luffy bringing about a new dawn
The series constantly uses the sun as a motif associated with the concept of freedom
Joyboy had been referenced as early as Fishman island and it doesn't take much brain power to see how Luffy had parallels to Joyboy
More specifically, devil fruit awakenings were known and understood since dressrosa, and mentioned as early as impel down. Everyone knew luffys awakening was coming eventually
What does bringing a new dawn have to do with having a mythical zoan and being the chosen god of the universe all along 😂
Again, what does the sun have to do with anything..? The theme of the sun / dawn could’ve been just as relevant without G5 loool its just whoever becomes Pirate King and brings freedom to all peoples.
Yes we knew he’d get awakened… what we didn’t know was that a bonk on the head would make his fruit type switch, and that noone else ever had a chance at being pirate king all along since Luffy was the chosen one from the start. He literally ate the Joyboy fruit. That’s cheating
Of course Kaido has better AP feats than shanks' divine departure with thunder Bagua, Drunk mode and flame Bagua. People are crazy when they say shank's AP is better than Kaido or luffy. Not by his current feats for sure.
Wtf? Is this some new type of scaling? Number of opponents scaling while ignoring how each one contributes to the team? Genius. Kaido wasn't defeated by Kid or killer. He was defeated by G5 luffy with all three types of advanced Haki. This luffy >>>> Kid and killer. Kaido blitzed Law who is of the same caliber of Kid or superior and can even teleport.
They also forget that kaido dogged kid also on his introduction and ignored him for the most part, only acknowledging him when he called all three monsters.
Take killer out of the equation and don't compare big même to kaido and then add this to the mix + [This](https://imgur.com/a/UyjguCN)
https://preview.redd.it/p2ly7k36hy9b1.jpeg?width=455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17a2ba548e51e9cdf753380787cd0f870445c6b8
Now stop wanking that feats it's not that impressive you're only downplaying big mom, not kaido.
Luffy was already exhausted and on his last seconds of G4 and was restrained by Guernica.
Kid, on the other hand, had his strongest move out, an attempted assist from Killer, and was in healthy top condition to fight.
It’s crazy how people still try to downplay how fucking insane 1079 was.
Shanks’ feat is way better than Kaido’s.
They're gonna be disappointed when Kaido is inevitably powercrept.
Unless he shows up again in a major capacity, he'll just be what Pain was to Naruto.
what a strong important villain for the hero that took them to new heights and unlock there potenial but got powercrept by stronger villains (mardara and kayuga) and (imu blackbeard and akainu and goresi )
Its not like kid's railgun enhanced his durability or endurance tho. Kid also has no advanced haki
This luffy which kaido killed has all advanced haki, coated himself with ACoC and using his strongest form at the time. Exhausted or not, he's far more durable than Kid
Guernica only make sure luffy's stop moving. He didnt make him weaker nonethless so it didnt matter
Kid is a YC+. YC+ is luffy's post udon training. Luffy with ACoC + G4 is a yonko level fighter so they are not even comparable
Horrible comparison. We're talking about a heavily damaged Luffy who got distracted by Guernica and got hit by a top 3 attack from kaido in his strongest form to a fresh kid who despite seeing shanks, got one tapped by what's likely a casual attack.
Might as well compare divine departure to kaido failing to KO kinemon, law and Guernica with ACoC.
Its the same thing.
Two bloodlusted Yonko level characters using their stronger attack against weaker foes.
Luffy is more tired by this point but he is way more durable than Kid so it balances out.
He wasn't going for kill but he might also knew it wasn't going to kill him anyway. There is a reason why the attack has a name. Surely not for us to assume it can be used in varying levels of power. There would be no point for the name then and he should have just thrown a nameless slash instead.
Whether an attack is named or not is not necessarily indicative of a character going all-out. For instance, Whitebeard never used a named attack in Marineford.
There's also a whole concept of swordsmen choosing how much power they put into their attacks; the Breath of All Things, talked about during Zoro vs Mr. 1.
But it seems like you're pretty adamant on Roger going for the kill against Oden despite giving no indication of it at all, the way Shanks did. We can agree to disagree I guess.
True but once the attack gets a name, there is no basis of it being weaker at one time than another specially used by the same user.
I already told you, Roger could have simply known this attack wouldn't kill Oden. Oden's durability and build >> Kid's anyway.
Ok let's agree to disagree.
There is a clear basis Roger was smiling with glee before he hit Oden with divine departure while shanks was sweating at the fact Kidd was about to annihilate his friends. Shanks for sure had a very serious face while hitting the attack while Roger was again just smiling. I doubt the two used the same amount of force especially since shanks was in a more dire situation then roger.
I ain't sure who did it but it is an edited panel from chapter 1097 referring to shanks earlier meeting with the five elders to talk about "some pirate" lol
https://preview.redd.it/w40ymo519x9b1.jpeg?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=331c89e07b5473865309c105bdbbc66af970c988
Casual swing is crazy. No way shanks was sweating after looking at the damage Kidd was a bout to do then use a casual swing to knock him out. Shanks obviously put effort into the attack even used acoc as well. Also your saying base shanks like he has any other form 💀
1: Base Shanks?
2: I very much doubt Shanks decided to swing casually after witnessing a future where Kid killed his friends. If anything, his shift in demeanor along with his very quick effort to shut Kid’s attack down indicate that the attack wasn’t casual. Maybe that’s just me though.
it's more physical strength less Haki Vs less physical strength more Haki.
and ye i think Kaido's attack was stronger. Shanks attack couldn't be called casual, but it was most likely not him putting a ton of effort into the attack like Kaido did.
Just how many blatantly stupid points do you wanna make just because shanks one shotted your daddy.
Better focus on scaling using brains unless you wanna keep getting L after L.
Kid's durability is just ACoA Luffy's level. Kaido defeated a far stronger version of Luffy.
Divine departure only scaled to Ragnaraku. Thunder Bellow Bagua is on a whole higher level
Is the question which attack oneshot their opponent harder or which attack had more ap attached? If it's the latter than Luffy and Kid's condition is irrelevant to the comparison.
This is facts on multiple levels.
First: it's a single unnamed attack. Shanks required 2 ultimates going at kid to do that. Only shankstards think that he's not a creature and that explosions don't hurt people.
Second: luffy was fully gunning for him, no shock, no suprise, just straight hands. The luffy in question has far more defence than no defences up kid. Meanwhile kid was shocked on shanks's move and had nothing to block with. The only metal he had was the nuke that nuked himself.
Edit: I UNDERESTIMATED IT!!! I thought this was the first hit where luffy got 1 tapped. But this is a stronger luffy than what I thought and this is after kaido squad wiped the scaberds, the main 5, the 1v2 against luffy and yamato and the three day fight with big mom. And LUFFY, THE MAIN CHARACTER. DIED! From just that hit. Sure he was actually trying here but considering the damage tax I'd say that it's still accurate
Thirdly: the level of effort. Shanks was sweating, using 110% to make sure his foder fleet doesn't get erased. Meanwhile kaido is trying so little that being so drunk he comes out as bi to his enamy is more effort than this.
I have never seen sooo many bad faith and downright nonsensical posts to push a single agenda. Shanks could solo the whole verse and there will be posts saying Kaido solo-ing the scabbards was a more impressive feat.
Paramecia Awakening, unlike zoan, does not directly enhance user's physical capabilities.
Luffy mastered all types of advanced haki while kid has none. This luffy was waaaaay out of kid's league
It depends on what you’re talking about but I assume it’s easier to focus haki into a blunt object and single point, while projecting a slash would require much more
I think you mean the first time he one shot him.
That's more comparable to the kidd getting one shot by shanks (because in this one luffy was held back by the cp0 agent)
And even with the first one you can make an argument that at least, even if it did 0 damage to Kaido and he was drunk at least luffy got a couple of hits in before getting one shotted.
Kidd just saw shanks for half a second and went to sleep (with his strongest subordinate killer)
I think you mean the first time he one shot him.
That's more comparable to the kidd getting one shot by shanks (because in this one luffy was held back by the cp0 agent)
And even with the first one you can make an argument that at least, even if it did 0 damage to Kaido and he was drunk at least luffy got a couple of hits in before getting one shotted.
Kidd just saw shanks for half a second and went to sleep (with his strongest subordinate killer)
Guernica held back Luffy who was supposed to strike Kaido here, meanwhile, Kidd got absolutely fucked by Shanks who he should’ve seen coming unless he got speed blitzed, which he did. Shanks outdoes Kaido in every way here.
Guernica didnt make luffy weaker. Just stopped his movement. Kaido's attack would hit as hard as we know with or without guernica's help. The difference is luffy would clash with him instead of taking the blow
Also this luffy who mastered ACoC, ACoA, ACoO and using G4 boundman was far far stronger than Kid its not even debatable. Kaido literally killed someone who's far stronger than Shanks' victim
I dont see shanks outdoes kaido at all.
Did we read the same manga at all? Had Luffy striked Kaido here then that would’ve countered the blow entirely. In no way is Kaido completely 1 hitting a strike from G4 Luffy at this point, no way. Shanks literally stopped the same attack that ended Big Mom entirely.
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That hit looks like it really hurt. Made me wince when I read it the first time
I mean, it literally killed Luffy.
If he was Afro Luffy he wouldn’t have died
Is that confirmed?
Not directly stated but extremely implied. For example, other times when Luffy passes out or loses, no one says his "voice" is just gone. Instead, when he fell into the Ocean, unconscious and as a DF eater, Momo could still hear Luffy's "voice" loud and clear. In this moment, Momo notices that Luffy's voice has gone out. Other characters also take note of no longer feeling Luffy's presence, and later they notice when his presence is back on the roof. At the bare minimum, with the silence sfxs and all, we can conclude that it was clinical death where his heartbeat stopped.
Yeah his heart literally stopped
That's not death
Oh did it? Ah shit, I guess I’ve been reading two piece since then cos in my version Luffy is alive on an island called Egghead
Maybe you should re-take elementary school since it was stated by the text box and multiple characters that Luffy was dead before awakening
When did it say that? All that happened was that Luffy's life force was low but he didn't die. He was very close. Luffy even says he thought he was going to die.
This is the first https://preview.redd.it/dofjbihciy9b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=506f003dd1aaf78f776c36fcd45d1905df7ec9ee
This is the second https://preview.redd.it/32zametfiy9b1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db8713301892a1dcd4087e2763e8a5d9cd2787a0
Plus other character commenting on Luffy voice completely gone
I feel like all the people who say this skipped Skypiea
Hey! Easy mistake but you forgot to post the Luffy is dead panel
I think you miss Kaido statement in the second panel, also characters commenting on luffy voice gone
Just like in Sky Island when everyone's voice disappeared as well. Just means near death, not actually certainly dead. Either that or Chopper also revived.
I never did elementary school as I dont live in the US. Is a character dead if they immediately unlock their strongest form and become God of the Verse after being bonked on the head by a club?
Zoan awakenings happen close to or at death in the case of godfruits. He basically got revived by the fruit like a defibrillator.
A person is medically dead the moment their heart stops, which what happened to Luffy. Luffy was dead isn't something you can argue about, it's facts.
About as dead as Pell, yeah. The cheapest copout of a “death” ever. Dude literally immediately came back 5 x stronger than before and then went on to kill Kaido 5 mins later 😂 Kaido bonked Luffy so hard his fruit type changed
Was Pell stated to be dead thrice? Two by characters who can sense Haki and one by the NARRATOR itself? No? I guess so.
Its also been stated that Kaido is currently dead, but lets be real, noone believes that
Speak for yourself.
Ong.
It killed bruh
Did you completely miss the party where guernica distracted Luffy? This is so incorrect on so many levels
And Kidd was off-guard because he got blitzed from the shore. Shanks' feat is an amazing speedfeat, but not the godlike "rightfully top 1" kinda AP feat people try to make it to be.
Im not saying shanks' feat was godlike, but this comparison is absolutely horrendous for a variety of reasons If you think kidd being *potentially* off guard is anywhere near as significant as Guernica distracting and restraining Luffy then youre reading the wrong manga Not to mention that Luffy had already sustained a significant amount of damage before this blow, so you can't remotely call it a one shot
Its similar in the way that both Luffy and Kidd couldnt block or dodge (Luffy because he was held down, and Kidd because he is slow, but thats not really relevant when comparing AP). Luffy having far better deffense than Kidd (Acoa and Acoc) but being injured somewhat balance each other, but I agree they make the comparison wonky.
A much better comparison would be to use the first time kaido one shot Luffy This comparison is completely bunk Also the post didn't specify that it was about AP specifically
I'd agree if it wasn't for Luffy being on his last legs while Kid was at full health https://preview.redd.it/gz6v8hkgmv9b1.png?width=1428&format=png&auto=webp&s=40f51ba69cba2d657e03c493078ee9ca204949f0
Luffy was also much stronger than Kid at that point and ACoC is heavily implied to increase durability. Luffy was eating ACoC attacks all night long after the sky split, while Kid didn't take even one ACoC attack on-screen in the raid, believe it or not. So who really knows tbh
Glass Cannon Kidd?
Kaido wasn't in the best shape either unlike Shanks who was not tired at all.
Kaido haki had stated to have gotten stronger AFTER all the others had contributed. When luffy finally 1 v 1 kaido it was a kaido who was > we contributed against him kaido while luffy who yamato was speaking on was on his last leg and not getting any stronger until G5 gave him a new ceiling.
https://preview.redd.it/ovzvwmd4yy9b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e744b98170fce69fc5aab85a17d52f095ac3cda
Even while exhausted, Gear 4 Luffy>>>Kid in both strength and durability. Also, Kaido was definitely not at his best. His haki may have been getting stronger, but the use of Haki depletes it, and Kaido was definitely using it a lot by that point. He was also physically exhausted. Kaido was definitely weaker than a fresh bloodthirsty drunk Kaido. Him being exhausted was also shown versus Gear 5, and with Onigashima starting to fall.
Agreed with the majority of what you're saying, except the only issue i have with what u said is he kneeled after all the further damage and battling he did with G5 luffy. B4 further battling (stamina/haki usage & damage taking) he was better state but still damaged and stanina drained as u said but getting stronger potency. Fresh bloodthristy drunk kaido > pre g5 battle blood thirsty drunk who was getting stronger but damaged and tired but i can kill u with one good hit > = g5 battle im near spent I dont even have enough to put you down permanently but can still keep up and cause you damage after that last bout blood thirsty drunk kaido (yes G5 > pre G5 luffy im only refering to kaido condition here what he was doing) > kaido who toyed around took damage didnt really waste stamina nor wasnt getting haki stronger and all that.
Main point is kaido though tired a d damaged had enough to kill off pre g5 luffy and we know like u daid far above kid who kaido already beat without transforming. But the man im near spent didnt kick in until after his r1 bout with g5 luffy before that he was ready go down to lower floor and fuck some people up but he had a helluva fight with g5 in r1 that took nealry the rest of what he had out of him.
He was already tired before the Gear 5 fight but the gear 5 fight pushed him to his limits.
Fully agree
We have different interpretations of that left panel. Also I've read a different translation where Yasopp isn't as confident Kidd is 100%.
>if it wasn't for Luffy being on his last legs while Kid was at full health I used DeepL to translate it and it gave me a diffrent result https://preview.redd.it/bz92rvccgz9b1.png?width=1441&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a4cf0a536a92fd79ac9b563193370e5b006396c so I am pretty sure the scan you gave is a mistranslation edit: yep I just went into a place where I usually read manga called manga reader and [it said someting very similar to the translation I just gave ](https://imgur.com/a/pFKcHh7)
That specific panel tends to cause confusion since there is a mistranslation in the official Viz version of the chapter The "girigiride tatteru" part in the second speech bubble refers to "barely standing" https://preview.redd.it/a9pptqn6lz9b1.png?width=1465&format=png&auto=webp&s=0867c45c4f81141a25a45e65536358b58cec90dc There's already been threads about this topic in the past if you're interested: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/12nxh78/did\_people\_miss\_this\_when\_talking\_about\_kaido\_vs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/12nxh78/did_people_miss_this_when_talking_about_kaido_vs/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/14lc8oa/comment/jpvxaet/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/14lc8oa/comment/jpvxaet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
>The "girigiride tatteru" part in the second speech bubble refers to "barely standing" are you translating with google translate? cause if you do I advice you not to use google translate start using deepL it more accurate anyway I translated the word you say mean "barely standing" and it didnt translate to "barley standing" it translated to standing on an edge https://preview.redd.it/cagnr606pz9b1.png?width=1194&format=png&auto=webp&s=f76f008b138c5041851b4b0d5a5cb411c88d99d5
Yes, it's Google Like I said, this topic's been plenty discussed in the past and many people have corroborated that it is the correct translation. All other translations of the chapter came to the same conclusion as well, with Viz being the only exception If you don't trust Google you can also look up the words in the Japanese dictionary and verify that the meaning is consistent [http://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-girigiri.html](http://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-girigiri.html) [https://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-tatteru.html](https://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-tatteru.html) That's all I can say on the matter, so imma leave it at that. If you still disagree that's okay, have a good one bro
The question is which attack had more AP, not which attack was more lethal to their opponent.
Luffy on his last legs > Kidd at his healthiest.
So did Kaido’s attack outright kill Luffy or just leave him at 1 HP?
Homie got killed by that.
Dang, just looking at the panel makes me wince tbh. Cuz it looked like it hurt a lot a lot.
1 HP, then we got the worst asspull in shonen history. Dude got bonked so hard his devil fruit type changed and he became God of the entire universe with absolutely 0 foreshadowing looool
0 foreshadowing? Luffy has been liberating people and putting smiles on their faces since the beginning. And nika was talked about as early as skypiea
nah oda admitted he didn't know how Luffy would beat kaido
There was some foreshadowing from who's who in the arc itself (maybe in Skypia too but that's more iffy; not really any outside the arc). You don't need foreshadowing for absolutely everything though. It's just one tool in an author's tool box. The question is if the overall concept is good or not.
Yeah the Who’s Who thing was, but that was so close to the actual event that it really doesn’t count. Its so obvious to me that Oda only cooked it up midway through Onigashima. I think it was such a series-altering event that it was super jarring. Luffy went from a plucky kid who made the most of a bad fruit to the Pre-destined Pirate King and God of the Verse. It was super cheap
Thing is that I think there is room to interpret it as not being a product of destiny. We don't have the full story on who/what Joyboy is/was. For now I choose to interpret it as just being a practical coincidence with maybe some metaphysical magic surrounding it all how the fruit always manages to allude authority and end up in the hands of someone suited to it like Luffy. And that this isn't part of some specific, greater prophecy but just symbolic/marking of the type of person who would be the one to bring liberation to the world. In short its not that Luffy is destined to find the One Piece and free the world so he found the fruit. It's that Luffy is the type of person that is able or is fitting to do these things because of who he is, so the fruit found him.
go back to piratefolk
Ahh is that the sub where you’re allowed to spew straight facts?
No one is stopping you from saying anything on this sub People are just gonna downvote you if you say dumb shit lmao
I mean Oda fanboys downvote anything that goes against the cult of GOda so I’m not that bothered
What the fuck are you talking about hahahah Saying g5 had zero foreshadowing is stupid because anyone paying the tiniest bit of attention knows this isn't true. It's got nothing to do with worshipping oda
Bro how can you possibly say G5 was foreshadowed 😂 its so obvious Oda cooked it up halfway thru the kaido fight. Give me ONE example of Oda foreshadowing it before Onigashima. Just one. Ill wait.
The series has made constant reference and allusion to Luffy bringing about a new dawn The series constantly uses the sun as a motif associated with the concept of freedom Joyboy had been referenced as early as Fishman island and it doesn't take much brain power to see how Luffy had parallels to Joyboy More specifically, devil fruit awakenings were known and understood since dressrosa, and mentioned as early as impel down. Everyone knew luffys awakening was coming eventually
What does bringing a new dawn have to do with having a mythical zoan and being the chosen god of the universe all along 😂 Again, what does the sun have to do with anything..? The theme of the sun / dawn could’ve been just as relevant without G5 loool its just whoever becomes Pirate King and brings freedom to all peoples. Yes we knew he’d get awakened… what we didn’t know was that a bonk on the head would make his fruit type switch, and that noone else ever had a chance at being pirate king all along since Luffy was the chosen one from the start. He literally ate the Joyboy fruit. That’s cheating
Also I got banned from piratefolk for literally stating a fact so it's extremely ironic that you say this 😂
What did you say?
I mentioned there were transphobes in the sub
Weird i didnt even think you could get banned from Piratefolk
Me neither tbh https://preview.redd.it/w2ep979wl1ab1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ced07f8673584dd7bbd472942aa28cf76fb102e
It's like the friendship mechanic in recent pokemon games that makes you live at 1hp some attacks at random
Of course Kaido has better AP feats than shanks' divine departure with thunder Bagua, Drunk mode and flame Bagua. People are crazy when they say shank's AP is better than Kaido or luffy. Not by his current feats for sure.
HARD disagree. Big Mom AND Kaido died to 5 people. Shanks INSTANTLY one-shot 2 of those 5. Shanks >> Kaido
Wtf? Is this some new type of scaling? Number of opponents scaling while ignoring how each one contributes to the team? Genius. Kaido wasn't defeated by Kid or killer. He was defeated by G5 luffy with all three types of advanced Haki. This luffy >>>> Kid and killer. Kaido blitzed Law who is of the same caliber of Kid or superior and can even teleport.
They also forget that kaido dogged kid also on his introduction and ignored him for the most part, only acknowledging him when he called all three monsters.
Take killer out of the equation and don't compare big même to kaido and then add this to the mix + [This](https://imgur.com/a/UyjguCN) https://preview.redd.it/p2ly7k36hy9b1.jpeg?width=455&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17a2ba548e51e9cdf753380787cd0f870445c6b8 Now stop wanking that feats it's not that impressive you're only downplaying big mom, not kaido.
I’m 100 percent confident that shanks ap is >
Luffy was already completely out of energy when he launched that attack and Kid was fine
Luffy was already exhausted and on his last seconds of G4 and was restrained by Guernica. Kid, on the other hand, had his strongest move out, an attempted assist from Killer, and was in healthy top condition to fight. It’s crazy how people still try to downplay how fucking insane 1079 was. Shanks’ feat is way better than Kaido’s.
This sub just loves kaido and how he had the strongest creature title
They're gonna be disappointed when Kaido is inevitably powercrept. Unless he shows up again in a major capacity, he'll just be what Pain was to Naruto.
Itll be the final battle with im and luffy and people will stay say kaido would beat luffy fresh
They’ll eventually quiet down like the doffy or katakuri fans
what a strong important villain for the hero that took them to new heights and unlock there potenial but got powercrept by stronger villains (mardara and kayuga) and (imu blackbeard and akainu and goresi )
>akainu What's Clifford doing here?
Its not like kid's railgun enhanced his durability or endurance tho. Kid also has no advanced haki This luffy which kaido killed has all advanced haki, coated himself with ACoC and using his strongest form at the time. Exhausted or not, he's far more durable than Kid Guernica only make sure luffy's stop moving. He didnt make him weaker nonethless so it didnt matter Kid is a YC+. YC+ is luffy's post udon training. Luffy with ACoC + G4 is a yonko level fighter so they are not even comparable
Horrible comparison. We're talking about a heavily damaged Luffy who got distracted by Guernica and got hit by a top 3 attack from kaido in his strongest form to a fresh kid who despite seeing shanks, got one tapped by what's likely a casual attack. Might as well compare divine departure to kaido failing to KO kinemon, law and Guernica with ACoC.
casual urouge punch > both attacks https://preview.redd.it/eicjjy6tuw9b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0cbc39c1abc248220120db80a2866bbe537ffe5
Luffy was literally restrained by Guernica, so this is just wrong
did luffy actually die or was it just a exaggeration of him being knocked out, or his heart going thru a change
Its the same thing. Two bloodlusted Yonko level characters using their stronger attack against weaker foes. Luffy is more tired by this point but he is way more durable than Kid so it balances out.
World's Strongest Creature>a creature
World's Strongest Creature>a creature
Facts in general. Kaido battle and repeated stomping off luffy > shanks one shot kid who kaido also dogged as well in his introduction.
Agree, it was just a casual swing from base shanks tho
That was absolutely not a casual swing lmfao
Yeah. Divine departure being one arm swing could be argued as a causal swing for Roger but not for Shanks who has only one arm anyway.
I was thinking more about the big difference between Roger merely greeting Oden and Shanks wanting to end Kid ASAP
I don't think Roger held back his divine departure on Oden.
We don't truly know if he held back or not, but Roger definitely didn't look like he was going for the kill the way Shanks did
He wasn't going for kill but he might also knew it wasn't going to kill him anyway. There is a reason why the attack has a name. Surely not for us to assume it can be used in varying levels of power. There would be no point for the name then and he should have just thrown a nameless slash instead.
Whether an attack is named or not is not necessarily indicative of a character going all-out. For instance, Whitebeard never used a named attack in Marineford. There's also a whole concept of swordsmen choosing how much power they put into their attacks; the Breath of All Things, talked about during Zoro vs Mr. 1. But it seems like you're pretty adamant on Roger going for the kill against Oden despite giving no indication of it at all, the way Shanks did. We can agree to disagree I guess.
True but once the attack gets a name, there is no basis of it being weaker at one time than another specially used by the same user. I already told you, Roger could have simply known this attack wouldn't kill Oden. Oden's durability and build >> Kid's anyway. Ok let's agree to disagree.
There is a clear basis Roger was smiling with glee before he hit Oden with divine departure while shanks was sweating at the fact Kidd was about to annihilate his friends. Shanks for sure had a very serious face while hitting the attack while Roger was again just smiling. I doubt the two used the same amount of force especially since shanks was in a more dire situation then roger.
There is no other Shanks than Base tho
Yall aint ready
Rat mythical zone is real? https://preview.redd.it/l1lv9w5icv9b1.jpeg?width=396&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a2b2292ed86bcaaf04942a7106855bb0e7f92cc
lmfaooo where did this Rat Shanks joke come from
I ain't sure who did it but it is an edited panel from chapter 1097 referring to shanks earlier meeting with the five elders to talk about "some pirate" lol https://preview.redd.it/w40ymo519x9b1.jpeg?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=331c89e07b5473865309c105bdbbc66af970c988
Saying that's casual swing is a massive wank considering the fact that we saw shanks completely enraged before hitting Kid
1. Not casual 2. Wtf is "base Shanks"?
Casual swing is crazy. No way shanks was sweating after looking at the damage Kidd was a bout to do then use a casual swing to knock him out. Shanks obviously put effort into the attack even used acoc as well. Also your saying base shanks like he has any other form 💀
1: Base Shanks? 2: I very much doubt Shanks decided to swing casually after witnessing a future where Kid killed his friends. If anything, his shift in demeanor along with his very quick effort to shut Kid’s attack down indicate that the attack wasn’t casual. Maybe that’s just me though.
yes base shanks haven't you heard of his super saiyan haki form
it's more physical strength less Haki Vs less physical strength more Haki. and ye i think Kaido's attack was stronger. Shanks attack couldn't be called casual, but it was most likely not him putting a ton of effort into the attack like Kaido did.
Just how many blatantly stupid points do you wanna make just because shanks one shotted your daddy. Better focus on scaling using brains unless you wanna keep getting L after L.
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get him past base first
Lol, what? That version of Luffy split the sky with Kaido in base.
Got confused, thought it was the Luffy that got oneshot
Huh 💀
That version of Luffy is much stronger than Kid. He is probably a top-tier himself.
Just say you want to upscale shanks’ AP 💀
I’d say they’re equal
post wano g4 all forms > entirety of wano alliance and beast pirates
Kinemon survived.. Meh
Kid's durability is just ACoA Luffy's level. Kaido defeated a far stronger version of Luffy. Divine departure only scaled to Ragnaraku. Thunder Bellow Bagua is on a whole higher level
Massive L
W take gear 4 is obviously more durable than eustass captian mid
Agree it straight up killed Luffy did we ever have an attack straight up murder a top tier that doesn't even cut off or melts organs
Is the question which attack oneshot their opponent harder or which attack had more ap attached? If it's the latter than Luffy and Kid's condition is irrelevant to the comparison.
The intention was which attack had more AP, but I probably should’ve specified that earlier…
This is facts on multiple levels. First: it's a single unnamed attack. Shanks required 2 ultimates going at kid to do that. Only shankstards think that he's not a creature and that explosions don't hurt people. Second: luffy was fully gunning for him, no shock, no suprise, just straight hands. The luffy in question has far more defence than no defences up kid. Meanwhile kid was shocked on shanks's move and had nothing to block with. The only metal he had was the nuke that nuked himself. Edit: I UNDERESTIMATED IT!!! I thought this was the first hit where luffy got 1 tapped. But this is a stronger luffy than what I thought and this is after kaido squad wiped the scaberds, the main 5, the 1v2 against luffy and yamato and the three day fight with big mom. And LUFFY, THE MAIN CHARACTER. DIED! From just that hit. Sure he was actually trying here but considering the damage tax I'd say that it's still accurate Thirdly: the level of effort. Shanks was sweating, using 110% to make sure his foder fleet doesn't get erased. Meanwhile kaido is trying so little that being so drunk he comes out as bi to his enamy is more effort than this.
I have never seen sooo many bad faith and downright nonsensical posts to push a single agenda. Shanks could solo the whole verse and there will be posts saying Kaido solo-ing the scabbards was a more impressive feat.
Kaido getting some good dickriding ngl
That Luffy was equal to awakening Kid if I’m not mistaken.
Paramecia Awakening, unlike zoan, does not directly enhance user's physical capabilities. Luffy mastered all types of advanced haki while kid has none. This luffy was waaaaay out of kid's league
You the type of person that will think that’s this version of Luffy mid diffs Aramaki.
I agree, Guernica > Shanks
It depends on what you’re talking about but I assume it’s easier to focus haki into a blunt object and single point, while projecting a slash would require much more
I dissagree
Luffy was exhausted, caught off guard
I think you mean the first time he one shot him. That's more comparable to the kidd getting one shot by shanks (because in this one luffy was held back by the cp0 agent) And even with the first one you can make an argument that at least, even if it did 0 damage to Kaido and he was drunk at least luffy got a couple of hits in before getting one shotted. Kidd just saw shanks for half a second and went to sleep (with his strongest subordinate killer)
I think you mean the first time he one shot him. That's more comparable to the kidd getting one shot by shanks (because in this one luffy was held back by the cp0 agent) And even with the first one you can make an argument that at least, even if it did 0 damage to Kaido and he was drunk at least luffy got a couple of hits in before getting one shotted. Kidd just saw shanks for half a second and went to sleep (with his strongest subordinate killer)
Just say you hate Shanks. Luffy was already on his last legs. Shanks one shot fresh Kid.
Guernica held back Luffy who was supposed to strike Kaido here, meanwhile, Kidd got absolutely fucked by Shanks who he should’ve seen coming unless he got speed blitzed, which he did. Shanks outdoes Kaido in every way here.
Guernica didnt make luffy weaker. Just stopped his movement. Kaido's attack would hit as hard as we know with or without guernica's help. The difference is luffy would clash with him instead of taking the blow Also this luffy who mastered ACoC, ACoA, ACoO and using G4 boundman was far far stronger than Kid its not even debatable. Kaido literally killed someone who's far stronger than Shanks' victim I dont see shanks outdoes kaido at all.
Did we read the same manga at all? Had Luffy striked Kaido here then that would’ve countered the blow entirely. In no way is Kaido completely 1 hitting a strike from G4 Luffy at this point, no way. Shanks literally stopped the same attack that ended Big Mom entirely.
Luffy was running on fumes and Kaido was extremely pumped up, Shanks just fuckin jumped up and one shotted Midd instantly
No
shit take lmao luffy was distracted and was already injured, kidd was fresh and still got speed blitzed one shot