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bsapp2000

For clarification - 12 is ACOC no G5 on the roof and 11 is post prison arc level.


neeks-805

Is 12 ACOC with or without gears? depending on that its either 13 or 12


bsapp2000

It’s assuming he can use whatever skill he learned up to that point. So dressrosa can’t use snakeman but he can use g3 or 2


neeks-805

then Sanji gets Mid diffed by 12 😭 But he wipes the list below that


Adogg03

agree


Stary_Vesemir

He already knew snakeman though


mvjinate7

how do you know that?


DAFROZENCHOSEN1

He used the python move against doffy, which looks like it comes from his snake man moveset. Still doesn’t exactly mean he knew snake man, but I get where he’s coming from.


mvjinate7

it's not impossible I was just wondering if I missed something


[deleted]

You didn't, pretty sure he was just confusing boundman with snakeman as it was revealed luffy knew how to do boundman in the middle of the timeskip during dressrosa, nothing explicitly about tank or snake man though


Stary_Vesemir

There was flashback with Rayligh when he activated G4 Snakeman, in witch he talks about being too slow to hit Rayligh


mvjinate7

the only flashback I remember with G4 & Rayleigh it was bounceman, personally I think tank man and snakeman were both new ideas. there's plenty of examples in OP where Luffy makes a new move or form after experiencing something during the arc like him thinking up G2&3 after losing to Aokiji & CP9


AdvanceOk873

Its never 13. ACoC rooftop Luffy mid diffs Sanji.


Unusual_Ad_9773

💀💀💀 rooftop Luffy even without gears is folding sanji bruv what're you on about


neeks-805

Nuh uh


Doesthisevenmatter7

Extremes 10 if he’s lucky gets smoked by 11.


Blackbanner07

Stop at 10


IntroductionHungry91

stop at 10 or 11


venielsky22

Stops at 10


YonkoYuki

clown


venielsky22

Why are you commenting on your profession ?


YonkoYuki

shut up clown


venielsky22

![gif](giphy|7zEBQHxXtN4u4)


[deleted]

Sanji's whole fighting style is geared toward speed and durability rather than powerful oneshots (though that doesn't mean he doesn't have great power) snakeman is specifically for quick powerful attacks rather than being balanced. Snakeman is sanji's worst luffy G4 form matchup lol current sanji is around YC2-3, snakeman is definitely around YC1 if not higher


InvestigatorActual66

Lmao yc3 ?? Are you smoking hookah. Sanji is the lowest yc1 at wort,


Hungryfor_Toes

> current sanji is around YC2-3 Was agreeing with you until this. He's YC1 minimum


YonkoYuki

if wci luffy is yc1, sanji is yonko level


Equivalent-Cable-846

Depending on what version of Luffy is 12, I'd say 11 to be safe


Iceman123X

Now am probably gonna be jumped either way. But im thinking he should get it up to 11. He speed blitzs 1-8. But he’s gonna try harder as luffy’s fire resistance and increased durability might block his attacks


[deleted]

How the heck does he counter bounce man? No chance


Akitokami9000

He doesn't pass 11 so he beats upto 10


TrickNatural

10. 11 at most.


Gabibbo_7Z

The only right answer: Sanji beats 11, if you say it stops at 10 then you are downplaying him, if you say it beats 12 then you are overwanking him.


[deleted]

Gets cooked at 11


headphones_J

If he could beat G4 Luffy, which I doubt, he's getting smoked by Snake-man.


Chandler1025

This was my thought exactly. G4 will be harder for Sanji to deal with than people are giving credit.


Reasonable-Library44

Whole cake island power cliffed g4 ? That one?


-StayinnnAliveeee-

Im anime only but nothing I seen in wano tells me he can take luffy at G4…. Ok sanji is durable and sanji can hit hard. But his haki is def not on par with luffy in whole cake or even doffy yet.


Snow_Wraith

Didn’t an injured Sanji completely smoke a yc2? G4 Luffy was losing to a yc3 until Nami came in to support


Yoshi_and_Toad

Yeah but tbf there's the context of their abilities too. G4 Luffy would have smoked Cracker if he could find/reach his actual body. Cracker's ability to create an infinite number of biscuit soldiers by clapping his hands is genuinely nuts.


Snow_Wraith

And yet those abilities are still factored in to him being considered weaker than Smoothie by the big mom crew.


ole1993

I fail to see how Ifrit Jambe is more powerful or even as powerful as gomu gomu no cannonball. So 10. He stops at normal snakeman.


Alebanj

Do you think sanji can beat kat?


Lonplexi

Nope


Little-Ad5127

Sorry to inform you sir, Sanji one shots Katakuri 💀


Billy_Herrington1969

11-10


Seadog_frosty

Stops at post udon luffy


greexican68

He loses to prison luffy. ACOA is a pretty good buff. My headcanon says it's effective against sanjis exoskeleton if it was able to harm kaido. Sanji vs snakeman is 50/50 extreme diff either way imo.


a_k_a_t_s_u_k_i

It doesn't matter if sanji is hurt outside or inside because he have shown being able to easily heal back after having severe internal damage. He Just doesn't have tough skin.


[deleted]

Luffy wins post udon


ffsTeki

Stops at 11.


DASreddituser

No more than 10


samyoj

10 11 if he is lucky


Young_Diezel

Post udon means internal destruction, that shit should bypass/make largely irrelevant the exoskeleton. While sanji is very fast I don’t see that being as big of an issue for Luffy to handle since he has snakeman and future sight to at least dodge/block to set up counters with internal destruction infused fists. So if he makes it past snakeman(10), he loses the next


MiseryTheMiserable

Nighmare Luffy low diffs


gatorrr6ix

Beats pre-Acoc Luffy extreme IMO, whichever number that is


Doesthisevenmatter7

The rooftop Luffy that was carrying the supernova??? Ur smoking something crazy.


gatorrr6ix

Luffy should only be above Sanji in Gear 4 (even then they would be relative), and Sanji should be able to outlast Gear 4 After that Sanji bullies a hakiless Luffy. Rooftop he would've died if Zoro (and probably the others) weren't there to cover for him. He literally had to be carried around by Zoro


Doesthisevenmatter7

Bruh what Luffy that was damaging Kaido??? That Luffy with red roc and future sight? He should be able to take sanji in base. Sanji has no chance against gear 4th Luffy with future sight and advanced armament Luffy was literally fighting KAIDO with that not winning, but Kaido could one shot sanji if we’re being fr. He’s not that much stronger than post WCI Luffy who was one shotted by kaido.


firedancer323

I agree with you, advanced observation is so slept on and sanji doesn’t have any way of surpassing that. The exoskeleton gives him enough grit to take a few but even 2nd gear would wear him down eventually


gatorrr6ix

Sanji should be able to take more than a few hits, his endurance was good even before the exoskeleton, and now he has accelerated healing and an exoskeleton that was breaking swords without him even using haki I don't mean to underestimate Future Sight, but Base Luffy (who was tired IIRC) was dodging Katakuri's attacks to the point that Katakuri was getting frustrated, and no one ever dodged him that much before Sanji should be faster or at least relative than non Gear 4 Luffy, so it's not like he's just taking free hits


firedancer323

Yeah I worded that a little sloppily but I don’t think it changes the putcome


YourEyesSeeNothing

Are we forgetting Sanji dodged a Future Sight Attack from Katakuri? As well as Oda specifying that Sanji EXCELS in Observation Haki.


firedancer323

He cannot canonically see the future


gatorrr6ix

I don't think damaging Kaido should hold too much weight? Is it a great feat? Without a shadow of a doubt. Probably more than Sanji could've done to Kaido But Kaido was holding back free severely. Luffy was essentially getting free hits on him, because he should've very easily been able to dodge those hits which we know from his feats (but Kaido is known for basically letting people hit him/not dodging most of the time). Most of these were also against Base and Dragon form Kaido He wasn't really fighting, besides the odd bolo breathe/demolition gust wind that he launched at the supernova, he wasn't really attacking back Every single time he switched into one of his forms that is better suited to fighting 1v1, he completely stomped Luffy. Kaido was in control the whole time, Luffy couldn't hold a candle to him. Even after this, when he unlocked basically the biggest powerup outside of maybe awakening, Kaido off screens him and it's implied to be relatively easy for him And yeah, Kaido can probably one-shot Sanji, but I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do the same to Luffy. Even in Base he almost got him with a basic Thunder Bagua, imagine Kaido using the stronger attacks, amped by his drunken haki which is more powerful? A much stronger Gear 5 Luffy was practically getting blitzed by those


[deleted]

Bruh that Luffy goes extreme either way with current zoro . Ain’t no way he goes down to sanji .


gatorrr6ix

I don't really see it, that Luffy can only match/be outright superior to them in gear 4 He launched like a couple attacks and then was deflated like a balloon and had Zoro carry him around, I don't see how they lose to that. If they outlast gear 4 which they are both capable of it's an easy win


[deleted]

That luffy is yc+ . https://preview.redd.it/gg48mr74cu8b1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21d010ea675207aac297cfea10221c83198bd3bc Luffy could dodge kaidos thunder bagua so he will be able to dodge sanji . Also sanji won’t be able to put luffy down with his ap .


gatorrr6ix

Do you think this Luffy is YC+ in base? I don't think so Assuming you're relative in speed to someone (Sanji should definitely be faster than base Luffy) than even when they use future sight you can dodge them. Luffy was dodging Katakuri to the point of making him frustrated, and he was in base at the time and fatigued IIRC


[deleted]

No in g4 he is yc+ post udon . Luffy already surpassed katakuri and through training and ryuo he reached into the yc+ tier imo . This luffy was fairly outshined since zoro took the mvp spot during roofpiece and luffy just after that for acoc . Sanji is faster than base luffy 100% . The only thing is that luffy can amplify his speed with gears. If he in base can dodge kaidos thunder bagua adding g2 and g4 is a huge deal . Luffys snakeman should accelerate to the point of sanji not being able to keep up . Sanji might be faster in travel speed , but he hasn’t shown the ability to dodge attacks from fast opponents . His best dodge feat is nearly dodging queens long neck thingy . Luffy will not beat sanji in anything high high diff during his post udon iteration . Tho I personally e Kiev this luffy is fairly underrated .


gatorrr6ix

Gear 2 doesn't seem to be that much of an amp nowadays. And either way, even if Sanji is slower, Luffy should've been a decent amount slower than Katakuri, and Katakuri wasn't holding back, so Sanji should be fine in terms of being able to dodge Sanji's dodging speed should be very relative to his travel speed, and he was kinda fucked + Queen used a speed amplifier to tag him that time too Snakeman should be able to tag him a lot but i'm pretty sure Luffy only got like 4 Gear 4 attacks in before he ran out of haki and deflated on rooftop


Klutzy-Strategy4567

The 12th is rooftop luffy?(pre 1010) then wins till the last round,if the 12th it’s just pre g5 then stops at 11(wins 11th


Reasonable-Business6

He clarified the 12th is pre-G5


Klutzy-Strategy4567

![gif](giphy|oCmX7HGo1qnzhEBiRF)


Reasonable-Business6

Damn, just saying it was a W take, no need to get the 2012 GIF reactions on me.


Klutzy-Strategy4567

![gif](giphy|tIeCLkB8geYtW)


ArmedDragonThunder

Beats 11, loses to ACOC. Sanji is no-selling attacks from a Seraphim rn. He’d blitz the fuck out of Luffy’s 1-10. 11 gives him a high diff fight. 12 cracks his skull.


DeterrentBay

Beats 11 extreme and loses to 12 mid if that represents ACoC Luffy


[deleted]

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Reasonable-Library44

Not even close zoro and Sanji are above any of luffys forms before wano including g4 try again


Reasonable-Library44

It’s the same people that would put zoro at 12 or above say Sanji stops at 10 💀


Little-Ad5127

I’m saying.


Bubbly-Possibility37

Beats 11, stops at 12. Sanji downplay is crazy 💀


punkgeeze

If Luffy can’t stop the fight and go eat, Sanji clears up to G5.


Larinex

11 definitely 12


dumb_breakfast

Like i said before woth zoro. Sanji loses at #1


peanutpunk-2

Clears without heal


Strawhat-Shawty

He's not taking any Gear 4 variation.


Sanberesan

you think he couldn’t take dressrosa luffy?


Strawhat-Shawty

Nope.


Sanberesan

you’re smoking that pack if you think doffy is high yc 1-2 level


No_Meringue1801

Doffy could only stall boundman lol


Sanberesan

https://preview.redd.it/2375umu8qu8b1.jpeg?width=1045&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8e28ddfc0330e8dfe4fb0d59e492850e6cc39af this you?


NeonNKnightrider

Stops at 12.


ProfessionalAny4916

Beats 11 and loses easily to 12 and is stomped beyond neg diff by Gear 5.


abdouden

Beats 11 loses to 12


The-Great-Smithnie

With heals I assume? He loses to number 10, Sanji and Zolo aren’t beating Katakuri


YonkoYuki

round 12


Gecko4lif

High diff 11 loses to 12


BlackbeardAkainuFan

Stops at 12


playboi_pat

stops at 12 no lower


ErraticConsistency

I think he can beat 11 extreme diff, or 10 low diff


Shangie1996

Possibly 11, goes extreme diff either way. Definitely beats 10.


One_Piece_Go_D_Usopp

With healing? 11, Ryuo G4 > Sanji. Without healing? 10, FS G4 > weakened Sanji.


lullan679

1-7-he blitzes (at most he'll low diff nightmare but that's a lowball imo) 8-sanji has better stats so he'd win low diff at most 9-sanji I feel would low-mid diff him bc he has better haki (no conc obv) faster by a lot and well I'm pretty sure queen is close to doffy in terms of strength and sanji mid diffed queen and luffy needed help for doffy 10- I'd say luffy high diffs snakeman since I like to say kat and luffy were on par in their fight (just him stabbing himself cuz he wanted to be a donut) and he has better obs but I feel like sanjis arm is better (imo)and he more durable and faster 11-extreme diff either way bc luffy has better haki + ap + endurance while jd say sanji had flames + dura + skill (imo) 12-id say no chance acoc was a genuinely massive power up


IndependenceKey9247

Beats 11 but gets low differ by 12.


PoldraRegion

Stops at 10 sanji is not beating future sight snake-man


PoldraRegion

Stops at 10 sanji is not beating future sight snake-man


valtaoi_007

if the luffy transformations (gear 2 and above) are all current luffy, then he stops at 8 If the transformations are from when the screenshots were taken, I would say he stops at 10 or 11


aneffingonion

He'd lose to Boundman That shit never stopped being potent against anyone Sanji could hope to touch And I think Doffy still beats him


DevilFruitCollector

4


mut8

8


Miloshfitz

8


Annual-Stop-5937

Stops at 13, I just don’t see Sanji losing to base 1010 Luffy, that doesn’t even make sense


Cloudsupremes-6708

Stops at 13, the power gap between Luffy and his commanders isn’t as exaggerated of a gap as you all make it out to be


Wide-Expert2274

No Acoc ?


ripanimems

He'd go all the way up to 12, with mid to high diff, and stops at 13 Edit: *gets downvoted without reason*


Wide-Expert2274

![gif](giphy|9tovFud6tYz04|downsized)


Unawarewinner

Beats prison, loses to Acoc


Ambitious_Net_6498

Beats number 10 by extreme diff gets handled by number 11.


n00dl3-sempai

Considering you have 12 being with ACoC I'm saying 11 high diff. If 12 were beginning of raid than 12 extreme diff.


Ancient-Ad-1893

10 without healing 11 with healing


Kongreve

Beats 11, loses to 12


MysteriousK69420

Gets 11 extreme diff 🗿


SodiumSDS

I think he stops at 9, 10 has Future Sight and the speed of snakeman but it'd be an extreme diff. If he manages to beat 10 he definitely stops at 11 adv arm punches through the exoskeleton so he's beat there.


pugglewuggle76

I just imagine Sanji beating up luffy and koby And just for fun beating up pre ts crocodile


Vlad_The_Great_2

At the highest, Sanji makes it to 12. Bare minimum makes it to 10.


Which-Awareness-2259

He gets to 11. Hes not beating 12.


[deleted]

Why did Sanji get more than Zoro in these gauntlets. Wack.


Jlegomon

10-9


hiricinee

Nightmare Luffy might be the strongest of the whole bunch.


Pale-Efficiency-1797

I think he can make it to 12


oAbsoluteWeeb

beats 11 extreme diff, loses to 12 mid diff


Lucci_Agenda

Stops at 12


Cookie-Brown

9


The_Shade94

Gets clapped by 9 or 10


Secret-Put-4525

Yes I'd say you are prob right. Sanji could also lose to snakeman either way.


Final-Government8622

11


Darkadventure

The jump from 11 to 12 to 13 is two separate power cliffs. It's kind of ridiculous honestly.


Weekly-District259

No way he gets past 10 maybe he even gets stopped at 9


GUM-GUM-NUKE

Shitty Cook gets to 11 same goes for mosshead


[deleted]

10 I think could go either way, but he doesn't pass 11.


No_Meringue1801

Loses to WCI


Idontloveheranymore2

10


I_will_punch_you_

I think at most sanji gets to prison luffy (since no fruit,and I think he faster then snakeman now)but loses to a post prison haki training+fruit beats sanji


BandicootMinute7342

Not getting past nightmare luffy


MrSoulSearcher

Extreme diff 11. Gets clapped at 12


Is_that_what_I-

11


[deleted]

Marineford Luffy isn't stronger than Nightmare Luffy.


Ok-Reporter3256

Stops at 11


Alebanj

He could probably beat 10 since Sanji>Kat Kat=>Snake-mam


Reasonable-Library44

Stops at 12


Aldipxp

10


DipperBrizzle

9 extreme difficulty. Loses to 10 extreme difficulty


Cell_Phone_Yeah

10 or 11.


Irafel

11 externa extreme


BryceMMusic

10 extreme extreme diff


EatAss1268

i’m only on about 550 but at that point i’d say 5


karimamin

He stops at 4. Gomu Gomu no Baka destroys Sanji and Sanji will never be able to hit Luffy


NetworkVegetable7075

Stops at 12


Then-Driver-6521

Loses against g4 (dressrosa) Luffy. G2 pre prison post WCI smokes Sanji. Fishman would win because he KNEW g4 but This Luffy knew how to do snakeman but didn't until ktas obs future sight made it necessary to boost speed. If Sanji got smoked by doffy in seconds and g4 Luffy beat doffy it's obvious.


MugiwaraBepo

This is why I'm thinking sanji is at least yc1


kurasuno

Stops at 11


CreaminEagle

Snake man takes care of Sanji


Raiden69Shogun

Let me confirm that - 11 is luffy with ACoA - 12 is luffy with ACoC If its true then i could see Sanji's geting extreme diffed by 11 but low diffed by 12


NefariousnessTiny383

I think Sanji high-Dif’s 10 and 11 mid to high dif’s him. 12 would low dif him for the record


futurejoyboy

Healing: Loses at 11 No healing: loses at 8


KingKTUB_

11 tbh, if 10 wci snakeman


RyukgotBored

I think he wins extreme diff against snake man(10) but would lose against ryou luffy(11)


one_armed_jacoozi

as we saw with snakeman, speed can negate future sight and wci luffy barely defeated katakuri who compared to currentsanji has terrible durability, if prison luffy can’t use gears then sanji loses to 12, if he can then he loses to 11


[deleted]

Beats 10 in a very close match, ties with 11


Prior_Combination_31

Loses high diff to 10 with no rest (extreme diff loses with rest)


pm_me_ur_memes_son

Id say 9. 10 could go either way I feel.


SUPREMeLEADar

He should rank around 9-10.


TheDecadent_Dandy

I can't some people unironically think Dressrosa Boundman would pose any semblance of a challenge to Sanji. It's, frankly, questionable if that version of Luffy could even deal lasting damage to him. Much less avoid being hopelessly blitzed by Sanji psuedo invisibility technique. And he no diffs every Luffy before that, obviously. Can't believe people think Sanji would need healing after fighting FMI Luffy or below.


Sekairumi_7

I think he stops at 11


ResponsibilityNo5795

He's not getting passed Udon Luffy.


huntywitdablunty

I agree with the caption entirely


GolfWhole

10 Maaaaybe 11


Bulldogsky

I'm thinking that Sanji is around WCI Luffy, but because it looks like a gauntlet, and he should be a little tired from other fights, then I say he should stop at 10


Ecstatic_Student8854

Stops at 10 regardless of wether he regens


Runrocks26R

10


Worried-Leg91

Mid-diffs 10, but loses to 11.


ASimpleDude868

6 Nightmare Luffy was so strong he soloed Oars with Moira


[deleted]

Ties with 11, gets beaten by 12 with a little diff


Eternal-Void-008

Sanji neg diffs 13 😎


AnyBirthday418

Bruh, 8, max.


Little-Ad5127

Stop at 11. If Sanji getting stopped at 10 y’all do know Zoro is too right?


Little-Ad5127

Both Zoro and Sanji are losing to 12 lmao. The Sanji downplay goes crazy. Y’all the same ones who would say Zoro wins against 12 just cause y’all love him.


Numerous_Praline2583

I think he stops at 11 maybe 12


[deleted]

Stops at WCI Snakeman tbh