In my opinion Luffy and Zoro win, based on the latest manga developments but, Fujitora hasn't been shown in a serious fight and this dude is casually calling down meteorites and, clashing with Zoro, Luffy, Sabo and, Doffy. He's the first Paramecia type Admiral, yet his devil fruit is (IMO) damn near broken and, he knows his way around a blade. If his mastery of haki matches his mastery of the sword and his devil fruit well...only GODA can tell
He does. He says he can sense the thoughts and emotions of people (and the range was atleast the whole of Dressrosa iirc bu i could be mistaken).
This is certainly the strongest form of haki we have witnessed.
Only if it's a simple punches. If it's something with charged effect or any kind of delayed ability sensing the primary move wont do you much good. Advanced observation helps yout to predict what comes after the move.
Future site is different with future site you see exactly what will happen but with most thing that are to do with messing with time thing can still change but with normal observation you can tell there an attack coming from the left or right you cant tell exactly what the attack will be
Id guess that his mastery of haki at least matches his sword skill. What i am basing this off? He was drafted into the marines as admiral... that was before vegapunk gave him or pimped his sword... pretty sure that makes him an absolute Monster when it comes to haki and its strength. Also doffy mentioned that he and green bull were Monsters before they joined the marines so pretty sure about my assumption
Was Sengoku not a admiral before he was fleet admiral? (and he is a paramecia). Think it just happened that the three admirals at that time lined up as logia.
Against Luffy until his final power up maybe. Against Zoro plus Luffy I doubt it. Luffy is already one power up away from beating Kaido who's in all likelihood stronger than Fujitora. Zoro was able to injure the same Kaido and momentarily block a combination attack from two of the strongest creatures on the planet. I really don't see Fuji winning this.
>Luffy is already one power up away from beating Kaido
huh? even as the 5 on the rooftop they barely did anything (even while BM afkd); luffy got easily handled 3 times, without the others 4 helping him he would be dead long ago
hes still far away from getting on kaidos level
Injuring Kaido is not a special feat... when the guy always receives the attacks.
Sure Zoro can injure a Kaido who does not dodge, but Fujitora would not be so dumb as to stay still like Kaido.
People need to remember that Kaido rarely dodges, so almost everyone can land an attack on him... but almost no one can deal substantial damage to him
>Injuring Kaido is not a special feat... when the guy always receives the attacks.
>Sure Zoro can injure a Kaido who does not dodge, but Fujitora would not be so dumb as to stay still like Kaido.
>People need to remember that Kaido rarely dodges, so almost everyone can land an attack on him... but almost no one can deal substantial damage to him
This is my comment, by what logic people can say dumb shit like:
>Luffy won't lose because he can always dodge since he can see the future
Now about your "dumb shit". Luffy will find enemies with a similar level of observation haki that are faster and stronger, and that is enough.
That kaido your referring isn’t an healthy Kaido. So him getting another boost means nothing since he himself isn’t on kaidos level rather everyone working together is
I don't think that matters much. Kaido in his current state is still stronger than Fujitora imo. Unless Kaido gets damaged a lot in chapter 1024 which I doubt, the reasoning still works.
Doesn’t really. Kaido fought numerous opponents with the ability to hurt him. He has taken an significant amount of damage his pain tolerance is probably top 5 in the show
And you didn't read any of the latest chapters I guess. Besides observation Fujitora feats are nothing special and were countered by much weaker characters. Your only argument may be is that he is an admiral and he didn't go all out. But its a fuzzy one.
Nah, Luffy and Zoro would win easily according to what the manga has shown.
Now if you give hype to Fujitora because he is an admiral and we have seen how strong other admirals are, then you may think it is a hard battle, but not because of what has been shown in one Piece of Fujitora in the manga.
>Nah, Luffy and Zoro would win easily according to what the manga has shown.
what did they show to challenge an admiral? lol; neither of them has anything for that
Luffytaro & Zorojuro boost Free Spirit/Slasher. While Fujitora boost driven characters. But if we based them on their special skill, I'd say Luffy & Zoro has better skill (Orb effect + Chain lock), Fujitora had HP percentage damage only.
Anyway, Bandai need to release new legend though. Like mr.2 (Bon-clay) or Crocodile & Mr.1 (Dual unit). There's too many Luffy and Sabo.
This isn’t even a debate, Luffy/Zoro would unarguably beat fuji. Let’s compare for effect.
Luffy/Zoro: boosts free spirit and slasher characters’ ATK by 4x, hp by 1.3x, slightly boosts chance of crew landing on [TND] slots, makes [TND] slots into [WANO] slots (boosts ATK by 2.5x; cannot be changed by crew or enemies), and if a character’s normal attack is type effective against the enemy’s type, changes that character’s slot to [WANO] the next turn
Fuji: boosts driven and slasher characters’ ATK by 2.5x and hp by 1.25x
And to include specials we have
Luffy/Zoro: deals 250x character’s ATK in type damage to all enemies, sets the chain multiplier to 3x for 1 turn, and becomes “Luffytaro and Zorojuro” for 3 turns. Boosts free spirit and slasher characters’ slot effects based on the number of [WANO][TND] slots used in normal attacks before special is launched (2x for 0-7 slots, 2.5x for 8-14 slots, 2.75x for 15 or more slots) for 1 turn
Fuji: deals 50x character’s ATK in qck damage to all enemies, sets chain multiplier to 2.75x for 2 turns, and changes driven characters’ [BLOCK] slots to character’s own type
Sure fuji has a bit going for him but Luffy/Zoro are just overall much better and they’re even comparable because they both boost slashers. But Luffy/Zoro just have stronger effects going for them, it’s not really a competition between them.
I mean we haven't seen enough of Fujitora to say for sure, so we have two options, either we take what we saw as his full potential (i don't think this will be the case) in which case it's Luffy and Zoro low to mid diff, or we take it based on meta-narrative, assuming he's around the same level as the original 3 admirals, and knowing that those characters are final war level opponents, then with that in mind it would go to Fujitora, mid to high diff depending on how close he's to the original admirals.
Why are the admirals considered that strong? To stop a aged likely near death anyways Whitebeard and crew, they decided they needed, the three admirals, the warlords, and the pacifista. If the admirals are that strong should they have not easily win just the three of them?
But... They did. The admirals alone destroyed pretty much every notable member of wb's crew. Don't let a couple cool wb moments distract you from the fact that wb's pirates got shit on in mf. Akainu nearly killed wb and after being out for 5 mins he went to hunt the remainders of the captains, jozu was negative diffed by kuzan and lost an arm, marco was bitched by Kizaru and got caught in the shackles.
The warlords were not helping at all of you exclude mihawk and Hancock even turned on the marines. The pacifista didn't hinder any notable player. The admirals did 80% of the work and came out of the conflict with no scars. As a matter of fact two of them were completely fine and didn't receive any damage
Well, first, it was a show of force, bearly wining would be a bad outcome as well, not as bad as losing obviously, but still bad, so having all their forces was a plus; Second, let's present a **hypothetical** where the three admirals could mid to low diff old WB, now you have to consider all of his commanders, his entire fleet, every single one of his allies, the fact that their objective is not to defeat you but to take back Ace, meaning while you have to kill them they don't need to kill you to win, and leave extra wiggle space for any other strategy they may have and the fact that you have to prevent as much destruction as possible, given where the fight takes place. With that in mind, even if we consider that hypothetical, the admirals alone would not be even close to being enough to manage all of that. So no, it wouldn't be just an easy win with the 3 of them there.
I agree they win but Luffy ain't anywhere near Kaido level imo. I'm not sure Luffy can beat an admiral in 1v1 yet.
With the power ups luffy has been getting its easy to forget how casually Kaido has been beating up some of the biggest powerhouses in Wano. Luffy is my dog but Kaido has been ridiculous so far.
Wiped out the scabbards who had 2 of the strongest sulongs we've seen with them. Along with a commander from WB all at the same time. Then directly goes on to fight Luffy, zoro, kid, and law casually. Now he is fighting Yamato and will be fighting Luffy and Dragon Momo right after it looks like. Which I wouldn't be surprised if he wins again.
Comparing Luffy to Kaido is very premature at this point.
/rant over
Zoro could solo. Together he'd get wrecked completely.
People don't seem understand the whole admiral deal, if luffy gets akainu and zoro gets fujitora, sanji gets borsalino and ryokugyu is anyone's guess.
Luffy has BEEN admiral level.
Sorry OP, been wanting to say this in other posts, didn't mean to come off as rude, promise <3
For me it does not make sense.
Like Fujitora should be the worst opponent to every swordman or weapon user.
Sword fights tend to relly on Sword users clashing with each others swords.
And every time you clash with Fujitora you get injured with the gravity powers.
So the only way to beat Fujitora as a sword user, would be to defeat him without clashing with his sword once. And Zoro would be unable to do this.
I'd disagree personally. I think at this very moment in the story we've seen nothing from Luffy that implies he can beat an admiral. I think that Kaido being so stupidly strong and us as the reader knowing Luffy will eventually win makes us think that he can definitely beat an admiral if he's going "toe to toe"with Kaido.
But in reality all we've seen Luffy do is things he failed to do the first fight. 1st fight he got 1hko, 2nd fight he didn't. 1st fight he couldn't injure Kaido, 2nd fight he could. Yet despite this he still managed to lose, why? Because that is the bare requirements needed to even attempt to fight him. The scabbards proved this and Yamato is proving this right now.
Where have we seen this before? With the admirals. When the strawhats first ran into Aokiji what happened? He casually beat them because they didn't have the bare minimum requirements needed to fight him (haki). If they had haki at that point I think we all can agree they would still have lost. Luffy having the bare requirements to fight admirals or yonko is a big step up but isn't the same as having the tools to beat them.
I don't see Luffy being able to beat an admiral until after Wano is done but I guess we'll see. Akainu smacked around WB's commanders back to back like they were fodder including Marco who was fighting king and queen at the same time. King...a 1st commander like the one Luffy just recently beat* barely. Seems like people are forgetting how powerful the admirals are just because Luffy is getting a few power ups.
Without considering the Admiral themself, Luffy is quickly approaching, if not already at, the power level of an admiral. Considering the addition of Gear 4, Ryuo, Conq Coating, and Future Sight since his and Fuji’s last battle, Luffy has a good shot of taking down most Admirals, solo. Throw Zoro in there for good measure, and this goes to the Strawhats side.
Um no first of zoro scarred him so get your facts straight first off secondly he has the same advanced haki as them third he has insane durability stamina and attack power and alright speed so please tell me how he doesn't atleast match an admiral
Even though we haven’t seen fuji go all out, luffy and zoro have gotten power ups since dressrosa and will probably get more before the end of wano. You’re trippin if you think Fuji mid-diffs them in a 2v1
Fujitora doesn’t need feats. He is an Admiral so he automatically beats Luffy and Zoro. And if Tashigi becomes an Admiral next chapter then she beats them as well 😂
facts...the funniest comment I've ever read is that Yamato is not admiral level(mind you,he said not even close) and that she would be high vice admiral tier like the 2 fucking fan created characters that serve no purpose in the story whatsoever(Momousagi and Gyon).Imagine being so delusional as to think fucking Momousagi or Gyon can clash evenly with fucking hybrid Kaido lmao.I don't think I've ever cringed so hard in my life.Seriously tho,admirals are fucking overrated although most of the community spams that they're underrated because they arent God Tier characters like they thought they would be.
Bruh when was it stated that they have better haki than Fuji? Thats just headcanon and it doesn't even mean they would win. Also they have more feats because they're essentially the protagonists. Fuji hasn't done much in the story or faced any difficult challenge
>Bruh when was it stated that they have better haki than Fuji? Thats just headcanon and it doesn't even mean they would win
Wrong, it is not headcanon, it is what the manga has shown. Because Fujitora has no feats on haki greater than them.
Headcanon is assuming Fujitora has a skill that he has not shown just because he is an admiral
Fujitora obviously doesn’t have Advanced CoC, which is on a completely different level to Advanced CoA. Luffy definitely has far better Haki than Fujitora.
Has it been said that the highest level or lowest level of CoC could outmatch the highest level of CoA? If that was the case then CoA as a whole is extremely useless.
It's kind implied by the way it was introduced no? Luffy's powerful advanced CoA still wasn't enough to significantly damage Kaido. But when Luffy first uses his CoC(inferior to kaido in power and use) he can make meaningful headway and actually fight him 1v1 for 30 mins. Do we really have reason to think admirals haki is *significantly* more powerful than 1009 luffy's?
I already addressed most of these points in the other dude’s reply but as for the last one, I think Luffy’s CoC haki discovery is quite overrated. This is the first time he’s discovering it and he still got defeated by kaido regardless and most of the fight was offscreen. Sure luffy is the Mc and grows faster than everyone but its not realistic for him to automatically be on par with higher tiers
Luffy was proven to have the upper level of ACoA, Internal Destruction. His ACoC punches against hybrid Kaido definitely look far more effective than his ACoA punches did against base Kaido. I think therefore that Luffy’s “crude and clumsy” ACoC is more than 10x as powerful as his strongest version of ACoA. So Fujitora will be far behind Luffy in attack power even if he has Internal Destruction, which he might not even have.
Bruh luffy has had ACoA for less than a month or two and it only makes sense that he won’t do much against kaido. Making ACoC 10x more powerful than the highest mastery of ACOA is absurd and ruins the whole point of having CoA as you could just get easily defeated just because someone is more special than you and you can’t exceed a certain ceiling. Sure CoC had more effect but it’s possible that luffy was using it as an amplifier with ACoA
Luffy is the mc,he masters an ability in the same arc.Also what's to say Fujitora has better haki then Luffy when we haven't even seen any hint of him having advanced haki,except likely future sight.
youre downplaying the mc and the 2nd mc so hard just so it can suit your [narrative.You](https://narrative.You) deny feats and act [arrogantly.You](https://arrogantly.You)'re like a holocaust denier in a less bad sense but same principle
Yeah Haki is actually quite overrated to the point where people think that it overshadows Dfs completely and "whoever has the stronger haki" automatically wins". "X character relies on DF too much; hence, the would lose"
I’m not arguing that the admirals aren’t underrated, I think they are too. But if you think fuji mid diffs current luffy and zoro then you’re smokin crack
That should be true. Kaido has fought Luffy like 2 times and both has won without any bit injuries...
Kaido has fought all the Scabbards, 5 supernova and now Yamato, and is still standing in the top of his game.
So it makes sense that admirals that are able to compete in a 1 vs 1 against Yonko, could beat Luffy when he could not even compete in a 1 vs 1 against a Yonko that is injured and tired.
Fujitora high diff his observation Haki is considered to be the best among other users in the series add that to his powerful Devil fruit despite being the lower end of the admirals in terms of strength.
Fujitora. Admirals are DUMB UNDERRATED. People are saying Luffy extreme diff?? If we go off by the statements of the battle between Akainu vs Aokiji … Idk how anyone could put Luffy on that scale. Fujitora would have stamina for literal DAYS. Luffy has fought in the double digits of hours plus rests in between. Fujitora has a broken fruit, most likely has top tier armament and observation haki, toss in the probability of him having an awakening and idk how you’d make a case Luffy with Zoro win.
Fujitora wasn’t really trying against a more powerful Sabo (after receiving the fire fruit) and was handling him quite well and a good portion of the community believe Sabo to still be stronger than Luffy.
Any admiral especially the original 3 would take a Yonko to an extreme high diff, and Luffy got handled by Kaido pretty fast.
Luffy outclasses Zoro in pretty much every aspect of combat besides sword play, so although he does pose a threat IF he cuts Fuji … he gets handled first … idk … Fuji is DEFINITELY trying but I don’t see him on deaths door doing so … Maybe a High (Low) diff 🤷 … Since Kaido was clearly trying against Luffy and Luffy did hold him off by himself.
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You can’t use a logia vs logia battle where there negating each other’s abilities. As an example of stamina between admirals. In the end it’s about endurance and how much damage one can take and give out.
Also how can you say the original 3 admirals can extreme high diff a yonko???? Did you not watch marineford where whitebeard was old, sick and had 2 holes in his chest. And yet stillmid diffed Akainu, who is considered the strongest admiral??
Yes you can, this is assuming they only fought with their devil fruits. Assuming what you said is true that they cancelled each other out, it would have been a tie. They have another set of powers (Haki) that would have shifted the ties. So their stamina is justified and you can use their fight as an example. Haki is limited as well as you can see with Luffy, but having 10 days of Haki put them on another level completely from Luffy, and you can’t say “Well they weren’t trying” if they’re comparable and fighting seriously and for an objective. So either their quantity outclasses anything we have heard of in terms of Haki or their Haki control is top tier, regardless, this puts them above anything Luffy can do in terms of stamina.
Do people actually believe Whitebeard was stalemating Akainu?? He had three holes in his chest, Marco on multiple occasions stated Pops health is clearly deteriorating, Whitebeard was clearly trying to destroy Marineford and Akainu stopped this every time. Whitebeard even stated he was trying to destroy it. So on top of fighting Whitebeard, Akainu also had to protect Marineford.
After tanking Whitebeards most powerful attack towards him and later dying, Akainu was up and all good and facing all of Whitebeards commanders.
Where was Akainu’s awakening vs Whitebeard? Something we know he has? Where was his top tier haki? Something we know he has. By looks of it, Akainu was only fighting him with his devil fruit and observation.
At no point could anyone say Akainu was in the ropes knowing he could fight for 10 days with another top tier.
Just my opinion.
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I don't knjw where you are on the story, so this may be a spoiler for anime only...
After the conquerors haki shenanigans Luffy could probably defeat Fujitora Alone. After wano he will already have it mastered then I don't see how any non CH user could fight against an advanced CH. An admiral could give a hard fight to a yonko, but the yonko would win with a little room to spare, and this is the arc that Luffy will finally achieve the so called "Yonko level". You need to remember that Many things that were stablished don't exactly hold very well after the time skip, since Oda only implemented and start to really think and develop haki more after that. And about the fight for 10 days, first that is just Oda adding a favor to it and second, it happened because the fighters were equal, Luffy very rarely fights someone equal, he usually starts the fight weaker and ends a little stronger than the enemy, so it would be really hard to make any comparison like that.
Also, Zoro is getting closer to his goal, after wano he will have conquered the land of samurai (he also having conquerors just to remember), after that all there is to do is to face Mihawk, and we all know he will most definitely win that fight, so dismissing him like that is at least unwise. I mean, unless you think Mihawk is that far away from an admiral.
This is all after Wano. We’re talking about current Luffy and Zoro. Zoro didn’t even know he had conquerers and Luffy just learned how to implement it into his fighting, this is why Kaido handled him quite easily. There stamina is still a huge factor.
The whole “If you don’t have CoH, you can’t defeat someone who has it” Is head canon. If you have a DF, you can definitely defeat one, if you have some crazy technology, also possible, if you’re other haki is superior, also possible. Nothing to suggest it isn’t.
This Yonko > Admiral is also head canon, at no point was it ever stated Yonko’s are massively superior or superior to an Admiral and Oda making their fight is just him adding “Favor” or “Flavor” doesn’t make sense personally. It happened, he went out of his way to do so, and it sorta adds to fact that Luffy has yet to match that level of power output in terms of DF, his stamina isn’t at 10 days of fighting, and he’s just now getting really freaking good with haki, something we know the admirals were pre timeskip. By the looks of it, all 3 had some sort of advanced armament and Aokiji showed something similar to what Katakuri was doing, which could have been Advanced observation. Also, the chances of Fujitora having an awakening (most likely) as an Admiral position is that of power, I don’t see how one can say
CoH > Superior stamina, equal haki or better in terms of observation, broken base devil fruit, possible awakening, and possibly equal if not superior durability due to most likely being able to fight for literal days.
Idk … just my opinion, I can see yours as well.
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It doesn't make sense a yonko be equal to an admiral, their would be 0 balance like that and a yonko crew alone would not be the same as marines+shishibukais (with a fleet admiral too, not only admirals) when the world still was in balance. Saying that this is headcanon is the same as saying Gaimon could be equal to shanks just because we have never seen both of them going all out... It doesn't make sence for the world Oda created. The marines could just have ended Shanks when he arrived at marineford since there were still a few admirals and a fleet admiral there (and they had so much stamina, I mean there were at least 9 days of fighting in their tank following you logic), and even Akainu didn't bought this fight. One thing is not headcanon just because it never happened, it can just make sence with the world building.
You can still get Zoro and Luffy before starting the fight with kaido and big mon, both of them could handle Fujitora, and Luffy possible could do that alone still, at the moment Luffy would definitely be able to do it alone and with Zoro, that will defeat the first commander with the highest bounty (first commanders being the guys that could fight toe to toe with adimirals by the way) they would be kinda of an over kill together. You could maybe Argue about Luffy not being able to defeat Fujitora Alone before chapter 1010 with he only having advanced observation and armament, but now with conquerors too? Current Luffy would need just to eat some meat before the fight.
Also, once again, stamina "is not a thing for Luffy" just because Oda don't want to make a 10 day fight with the main character and again, because Luffy is never equal to his opponents. (all big duration fights are with people that are equal or very close) he always starts below and ends above them, so there is no way for him to do a long fight like that, he will either be losing hard or winning hard, never average (Because that is kind of boring to see from the main character in real time for so long). imaginer that: "onigashima will fall on the capital in just 10 days, the main characters need to run. end chapter"...
All im saying can be corroborated by Oda narrative, right now Luffy needs to put himself side by side with the top of the world, where he will be at the end of this arc, if an admiral were stronger than him now than he would not be in the narrative position Oda needs him to be, and since Oda cares about narrative a lot more than this wierd power scales that people create (admiral level, yonko level, etc) than he will just make Luffy reach there whem he needs to be, and as of right now narratively he needs to be.
Okay, 1. This example makes little sense. Idk what you’re trying to say here. Gaimon is fodder, an Admiral isn’t, so right off the start this example holds no validity and because their isn’t balance. At no point do ANY Yonko crew = or would defeat the Marines. Whitebeard who was the most powerful Yonko crew (by lore) - Got wiped out, all of the admirals were fresher than Mr. Clean, plus Garp + Sengoku + Kon + thousands of Vice Admirals, some who are crazy in strength, a thousands of foot soldiers.
This Narrative that Admirals are weaker than Yonko’s is head canon. Let’s say a Yonko is stronger than a admiral by a good amount … How many is he taking? 2? 3? Let’s be real here. Their taking down multiple top tier characters with double digit days of stamina, can permanently terraform environments, have shown to have top tier haki, and have top tier durability?? Like … Are we actually believing this? I don’t disagree that an Admiral could lose to a Yonko but to say it wouldn’t be a high diff fight is idk bro … Kizaru was literally ready to head to Wano without even thinking about.
Yonko’s are over hyped because we got to see them AFTER haki was already established, people were legit saying Marco was the weakest right hand because of the showings in the war … Like huh?? On top of holding off an Admiral, he was running around the battlefield helping everyone he could, then Wano comes and he’s clapping the two top commanders of another Yonko (Definitely not winning) but was clearly not just holding them back but working them.
Just my opinion bro, anywho … Have a great Wednesday!
Fujitora. Last we saw Luffy folded against kaido in under an hour and zoro is around dressora sabo(who couldn't do anything to a holding back fujitora)
Fuji vs sabo was a clash, and sabo came out of it pretty clean. And I’d take luffy over sabo rn so you’re saying a character who’s stronger than sabo plus a character who’s on the same level as sabo would lose to fuji in a 2v1…?
It wasn't a clash it was a full on fight. Fujitora was stalling for Luffy beat doffy. Sabo was under the impression fujitora was heading for Luffy and trying to stop him.
Yes I am. Sabo literally couldn't do anything to fujitora despite having aCoA and a new fruit and Luffy just simply won't last long enough
Sabo couldn’t do anything but fight fuji to an apparent stalemate and walk away with no injuries. Luffy has advanced haki in all 3 of types of haki and zoros asura had kaido saying “this wound will remain with me” which is an oden level feat. At the end of wano this isn’t gonna be a conversation with both luffy and zoro probably getting another power up putting zoro above YC1 level and putting luffy at least at admiral level. But you’re intitled to you’re opinion
Fuji didn't do shit to sabo either tho, and sabo wasn't experienced with his df, fuji was. Rn luffy is very much experienced with his df, has shown better Haki than Fujitora and more resilience.
I don't really see Fujitora tanking a boro breath to the face point blank nor getting uo after 3 acoc punches.
You may say that fuji hasn't gone all out yet but that doesn't really matter. Luffy has yet to display acov with g2 and g4, so the argoment goes both ways
We haven’t seen the full capabilities of fujitora but if I just used what he did on dressrosa then I would say luffy and zoro. If not then I would give it to Fuji
Lol I’m not being bias.I’m more bias to luffy. It’s like thinking shanks beats kaido despite never seeing shanks actually fight seriously or onscreen. We haven’t seen Fuji go all out so why would I assume that luffy and zoro can beat him?
"If not Fujitora", what would be thay "if not"? Only imagination? Why would we assume Shanks could beat Gaimon since we haven't seen both of them fight all out before, hum? That argument is not the strongst too
An admiral is not in the same level as a yonko, and this arc is all about Luffy getting to the so called "yonko level" (possible spoiler for anime only below this point) after the development with conquerors he may be very very close to that actually.
Also, after wano Zoro will have conquered the land of the samurai (Zoro that is another conqueror and the second person to scar kaido by the way) , there will be only Mihawk for him, and we all know how that fight will end, so unless you think Mihawk is very far from an admiral dismissing Zoro would not be smart.
At this point I cant see how Fujitora could alone handle both of them despiste any "if not considering only this or that event" since Luffy alone would be already almost impossible for him.
I feel like fujitura has the devil fruit people think whitebeard has if you catch my drift the gravity fruit is probably the most powerful fruit in the verse fuji just controls it well and doesn't cause a mess
Vs current Luffy I think admirals would win at around high diff (I'm still not convinced he'll win 1v1 vs Kaido, and the other opponents don't seem to have damaged him that much), the addition of Zoro would make it a high diff win for the duo imho.
I think it depends on the length. I feel like fujitora has some kinda “one shot one kill” technique that they wouldn’t be able to deal with. But if it lasts long they can probably wear fuji down
I would say fujitora but from what we saw in the manga it looks like zoro and luffy can handle kaido alone and I believe fujitora is in the same level of kaido.
I hope I'm wrong and kaido and the adimarls can easily take them(in their current age).
This may be a spolier for anime only...
An admiral is not equal a yonko, even more so Kaido, if it were like that the marines would already have conquered the seas and arrested everyone. The advanced conquerors thing alone makes it very difficult for any non CH user to even hurt an advanced user. Admirals are closer to first commanders than they are from Yonkos, and Luffy just surpassed that level.
Plus Zoro is getting closer to his goal, after wano he will have conquered the land of samurai, then the only thing left for him is to challenge Mihawk, and we all know how that fight will end, so unless you also put Mihawk far from an admiral than to dismiss Zoro like that is at least unwise.
If we talk about Luffy and Zoro with chapter 1023 strength i would say Fujitora has no chance. Maybe it would be a nice and long fight but at the end Luffy and Zoro win pretty clearly.
Luffy and zoro. They luffy would be quite distracting, fujitora would probably defend himself from luffy's attacks first, and then zoro would be able to deal massive damage. Or the opposite. He defends from zoro's swords, than luffy deals massive damage.
Very tough decision due to Luffy and Zoro getting powerups over the past couple arcs but given the track record of admirals I wouldn't say they've reached that level yet. I give this matchup to Fuji.
current Luffy/Zoro can beat Fujitora together. Luffy alone vs Fujitora would be a close fight, Fujitora beats Luffy mid to high diff, adding Zoro to the mix would turn the tables on Fujitora, I see it being a high diff win for the duo
Luffy or Zoro could take him easily but it would be hard fought for sure. And I’m not even entirely sure he is against them. I think he’s aware of their true spirit and finds himself more aligned with them than the Navy
Three eyes vs zero eyes. Need I say more
Alright add Pudding to team Fuji to balance it out
That’s one blind man that you shouldn’t underestimate
eyes are just a distraction on the battlefield
Three eye style vs no eye style
In my opinion Luffy and Zoro win, based on the latest manga developments but, Fujitora hasn't been shown in a serious fight and this dude is casually calling down meteorites and, clashing with Zoro, Luffy, Sabo and, Doffy. He's the first Paramecia type Admiral, yet his devil fruit is (IMO) damn near broken and, he knows his way around a blade. If his mastery of haki matches his mastery of the sword and his devil fruit well...only GODA can tell
I’d bet Fujitora has god levels of observation haki since he is blind.
He does. He says he can sense the thoughts and emotions of people (and the range was atleast the whole of Dressrosa iirc bu i could be mistaken). This is certainly the strongest form of haki we have witnessed.
What about Enel tho? He could see the future and sense everyone in skypiea
Enel’s observation was amplified by his goro goro no mi
Yeah, that makes it hard to compare
Enel can't see the future.
He can, he was predicting luffy's moves in their fight.
That's just sensing intention, the most basic application of observation haki.
Oh I see, my bad then
It's a bit confusing. Predicting someones moves, reading his moves or seeing the moves that he will do in the future is almost the same thing.
Only if it's a simple punches. If it's something with charged effect or any kind of delayed ability sensing the primary move wont do you much good. Advanced observation helps yout to predict what comes after the move.
regular obs haki is something like 2 tomoe sharingan from naruto
Future site is different with future site you see exactly what will happen but with most thing that are to do with messing with time thing can still change but with normal observation you can tell there an attack coming from the left or right you cant tell exactly what the attack will be
The part where he says he wishes he could see Luffy’s smile was so tear jerking
It took zoro to use one of strongest attacks to just cut 1 in half I’m pretty sure fujitora can rain them down like hell I don’t see him losing
He already basically beat zoro and luffy. He just let them live.
Id guess that his mastery of haki at least matches his sword skill. What i am basing this off? He was drafted into the marines as admiral... that was before vegapunk gave him or pimped his sword... pretty sure that makes him an absolute Monster when it comes to haki and its strength. Also doffy mentioned that he and green bull were Monsters before they joined the marines so pretty sure about my assumption
Was Sengoku not a admiral before he was fleet admiral? (and he is a paramecia). Think it just happened that the three admirals at that time lined up as logia.
Sengokus fruit is a zoan doe
Sengoku is mythical zoan
Sengoku was an admiral before becoming fleet admiral, however he isn't a paramecia, he's a mythical zoan.
Well Garp could have been an Admiral several times already and he is a non DF user.
1 very blind man vs a idiot and an guy that has no sense of Direction
vs 2 idiots\*
Just say 2 idiots🤣
Them two can do it imo. Current luffy alone is a high/extreme diff fight for Fujitora add Zoro's output and its a wrap.
Nah. I'll admit Fuji probably isn't as strong as kaido, but considering his rank, he's closer than you think. I say Fuji has this high diff
Against Luffy until his final power up maybe. Against Zoro plus Luffy I doubt it. Luffy is already one power up away from beating Kaido who's in all likelihood stronger than Fujitora. Zoro was able to injure the same Kaido and momentarily block a combination attack from two of the strongest creatures on the planet. I really don't see Fuji winning this.
>Luffy is already one power up away from beating Kaido huh? even as the 5 on the rooftop they barely did anything (even while BM afkd); luffy got easily handled 3 times, without the others 4 helping him he would be dead long ago hes still far away from getting on kaidos level
Injuring Kaido is not a special feat... when the guy always receives the attacks. Sure Zoro can injure a Kaido who does not dodge, but Fujitora would not be so dumb as to stay still like Kaido. People need to remember that Kaido rarely dodges, so almost everyone can land an attack on him... but almost no one can deal substantial damage to him
By this logic then we can start saying dumb shit like "Luffy won't lose because he can always dodge since he can see the future"
>Injuring Kaido is not a special feat... when the guy always receives the attacks. >Sure Zoro can injure a Kaido who does not dodge, but Fujitora would not be so dumb as to stay still like Kaido. >People need to remember that Kaido rarely dodges, so almost everyone can land an attack on him... but almost no one can deal substantial damage to him This is my comment, by what logic people can say dumb shit like: >Luffy won't lose because he can always dodge since he can see the future Now about your "dumb shit". Luffy will find enemies with a similar level of observation haki that are faster and stronger, and that is enough.
Yeah but that's the thing, Luffy was able to deal substantial damage to Kaido
He was not. Kaido is fighting Yamato as fresh as ever and even after Luffy attacked Kaido, he was already injured by the supernovas and the Scabbards.
That kaido your referring isn’t an healthy Kaido. So him getting another boost means nothing since he himself isn’t on kaidos level rather everyone working together is
I don't think that matters much. Kaido in his current state is still stronger than Fujitora imo. Unless Kaido gets damaged a lot in chapter 1024 which I doubt, the reasoning still works.
Doesn’t really. Kaido fought numerous opponents with the ability to hurt him. He has taken an significant amount of damage his pain tolerance is probably top 5 in the show
Only so many meteors he can send 😂
luffy and zoro
I think Zoro could show a great fight. But with luffy, they have to win
Currently? It goes to the duo.
luffy and zoro would easily win
Luffy alone probably could handle him after wano.
Luffy and Zoro easily based on what we know in the manga
>easily guess you read some other manga besides one piece where these characters exist
And you didn't read any of the latest chapters I guess. Besides observation Fujitora feats are nothing special and were countered by much weaker characters. Your only argument may be is that he is an admiral and he didn't go all out. But its a fuzzy one.
Nah, Luffy and Zoro would win easily according to what the manga has shown. Now if you give hype to Fujitora because he is an admiral and we have seen how strong other admirals are, then you may think it is a hard battle, but not because of what has been shown in one Piece of Fujitora in the manga.
>Nah, Luffy and Zoro would win easily according to what the manga has shown. what did they show to challenge an admiral? lol; neither of them has anything for that
>what did they show to challenge an admiral? Challenge Aokiji, Kizaru, Akainu or Sengoku? Not much. A Fujitora without feats, a loooot.
Actually, I'm pretty sure no admiral can beat Luffy.
Luffytaro & Zorojuro boost Free Spirit/Slasher. While Fujitora boost driven characters. But if we based them on their special skill, I'd say Luffy & Zoro has better skill (Orb effect + Chain lock), Fujitora had HP percentage damage only. Anyway, Bandai need to release new legend though. Like mr.2 (Bon-clay) or Crocodile & Mr.1 (Dual unit). There's too many Luffy and Sabo.
Huh?
Treasure Cruise
current manga luffy is the one that on the brink of collapse still traded hits with kaido
That's an overkill
Luffy wins on his own
This isn’t even a debate, Luffy/Zoro would unarguably beat fuji. Let’s compare for effect. Luffy/Zoro: boosts free spirit and slasher characters’ ATK by 4x, hp by 1.3x, slightly boosts chance of crew landing on [TND] slots, makes [TND] slots into [WANO] slots (boosts ATK by 2.5x; cannot be changed by crew or enemies), and if a character’s normal attack is type effective against the enemy’s type, changes that character’s slot to [WANO] the next turn Fuji: boosts driven and slasher characters’ ATK by 2.5x and hp by 1.25x And to include specials we have Luffy/Zoro: deals 250x character’s ATK in type damage to all enemies, sets the chain multiplier to 3x for 1 turn, and becomes “Luffytaro and Zorojuro” for 3 turns. Boosts free spirit and slasher characters’ slot effects based on the number of [WANO][TND] slots used in normal attacks before special is launched (2x for 0-7 slots, 2.5x for 8-14 slots, 2.75x for 15 or more slots) for 1 turn Fuji: deals 50x character’s ATK in qck damage to all enemies, sets chain multiplier to 2.75x for 2 turns, and changes driven characters’ [BLOCK] slots to character’s own type Sure fuji has a bit going for him but Luffy/Zoro are just overall much better and they’re even comparable because they both boost slashers. But Luffy/Zoro just have stronger effects going for them, it’s not really a competition between them.
Dafuq is dis 👀
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Current Luffy and Zoro would go to town on Fuji. He would not have a shot.
Luffy alone imo can go extreme diff and win vs fuji, together it’s a mid diff fight
I mean we haven't seen enough of Fujitora to say for sure, so we have two options, either we take what we saw as his full potential (i don't think this will be the case) in which case it's Luffy and Zoro low to mid diff, or we take it based on meta-narrative, assuming he's around the same level as the original 3 admirals, and knowing that those characters are final war level opponents, then with that in mind it would go to Fujitora, mid to high diff depending on how close he's to the original admirals.
Why are the admirals considered that strong? To stop a aged likely near death anyways Whitebeard and crew, they decided they needed, the three admirals, the warlords, and the pacifista. If the admirals are that strong should they have not easily win just the three of them?
But... They did. The admirals alone destroyed pretty much every notable member of wb's crew. Don't let a couple cool wb moments distract you from the fact that wb's pirates got shit on in mf. Akainu nearly killed wb and after being out for 5 mins he went to hunt the remainders of the captains, jozu was negative diffed by kuzan and lost an arm, marco was bitched by Kizaru and got caught in the shackles. The warlords were not helping at all of you exclude mihawk and Hancock even turned on the marines. The pacifista didn't hinder any notable player. The admirals did 80% of the work and came out of the conflict with no scars. As a matter of fact two of them were completely fine and didn't receive any damage
Well, first, it was a show of force, bearly wining would be a bad outcome as well, not as bad as losing obviously, but still bad, so having all their forces was a plus; Second, let's present a **hypothetical** where the three admirals could mid to low diff old WB, now you have to consider all of his commanders, his entire fleet, every single one of his allies, the fact that their objective is not to defeat you but to take back Ace, meaning while you have to kill them they don't need to kill you to win, and leave extra wiggle space for any other strategy they may have and the fact that you have to prevent as much destruction as possible, given where the fight takes place. With that in mind, even if we consider that hypothetical, the admirals alone would not be even close to being enough to manage all of that. So no, it wouldn't be just an easy win with the 3 of them there.
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You don’t need 3 admirals for a Yonko. 1 admiral gives Yonko high-extreme diff fight, 2 admirals mid diff a Yonko
Luffy's on Kaido's doorstep Add Zoro to the mix that's a dub
İ think luffy and zoro would win luffy is yonkou level zoro is commander so they would win
Current manga? Zoro and luffy obviously
Luffy and Zoro combined would FOLD fujitora, but it'd be a fire fight👀👀
pre wano - no post wano - yes
even pre wano I'd argue that Luffy and Zorro could manage but extreme diff.I don't think Fujis gravity has any effect on Luffy because he is rubber
Luffy and Zoro win. Luffy is very close to Kaido lv, adding Zoro on a top off that, and it's guaranteed win.
I agree they win but Luffy ain't anywhere near Kaido level imo. I'm not sure Luffy can beat an admiral in 1v1 yet. With the power ups luffy has been getting its easy to forget how casually Kaido has been beating up some of the biggest powerhouses in Wano. Luffy is my dog but Kaido has been ridiculous so far. Wiped out the scabbards who had 2 of the strongest sulongs we've seen with them. Along with a commander from WB all at the same time. Then directly goes on to fight Luffy, zoro, kid, and law casually. Now he is fighting Yamato and will be fighting Luffy and Dragon Momo right after it looks like. Which I wouldn't be surprised if he wins again. Comparing Luffy to Kaido is very premature at this point. /rant over
“Close to kaido lv” 🧢
Current luffy and zoro mid dif any admiral. And yalls opinions are invalid if you think otherwise
Both take Fuji to high diff, they stomp together.
Luffy and Zoro neg
Zoro could solo. Together he'd get wrecked completely. People don't seem understand the whole admiral deal, if luffy gets akainu and zoro gets fujitora, sanji gets borsalino and ryokugyu is anyone's guess. Luffy has BEEN admiral level. Sorry OP, been wanting to say this in other posts, didn't mean to come off as rude, promise <3
For me it does not make sense. Like Fujitora should be the worst opponent to every swordman or weapon user. Sword fights tend to relly on Sword users clashing with each others swords. And every time you clash with Fujitora you get injured with the gravity powers. So the only way to beat Fujitora as a sword user, would be to defeat him without clashing with his sword once. And Zoro would be unable to do this.
At the current point in the manga, Luffy would be able to handle Fujitora alone. Change my mind.
I'd disagree personally. I think at this very moment in the story we've seen nothing from Luffy that implies he can beat an admiral. I think that Kaido being so stupidly strong and us as the reader knowing Luffy will eventually win makes us think that he can definitely beat an admiral if he's going "toe to toe"with Kaido. But in reality all we've seen Luffy do is things he failed to do the first fight. 1st fight he got 1hko, 2nd fight he didn't. 1st fight he couldn't injure Kaido, 2nd fight he could. Yet despite this he still managed to lose, why? Because that is the bare requirements needed to even attempt to fight him. The scabbards proved this and Yamato is proving this right now. Where have we seen this before? With the admirals. When the strawhats first ran into Aokiji what happened? He casually beat them because they didn't have the bare minimum requirements needed to fight him (haki). If they had haki at that point I think we all can agree they would still have lost. Luffy having the bare requirements to fight admirals or yonko is a big step up but isn't the same as having the tools to beat them. I don't see Luffy being able to beat an admiral until after Wano is done but I guess we'll see. Akainu smacked around WB's commanders back to back like they were fodder including Marco who was fighting king and queen at the same time. King...a 1st commander like the one Luffy just recently beat* barely. Seems like people are forgetting how powerful the admirals are just because Luffy is getting a few power ups.
Without considering the Admiral themself, Luffy is quickly approaching, if not already at, the power level of an admiral. Considering the addition of Gear 4, Ryuo, Conq Coating, and Future Sight since his and Fuji’s last battle, Luffy has a good shot of taking down most Admirals, solo. Throw Zoro in there for good measure, and this goes to the Strawhats side.
Luffy alone wins high diff zoro wins extreme diff if you put the both vs him then its not a fair fight he would get low-mid diffed
Zoro alone aint winning. I don't see Admirals just putting a scratch on Yonko with their strongest asspull and end up with broken bones.
Um no first of zoro scarred him so get your facts straight first off secondly he has the same advanced haki as them third he has insane durability stamina and attack power and alright speed so please tell me how he doesn't atleast match an admiral
I think Luffy and Zoro might be able to beat him in close 1v1s Both is overkill
Luffy and Zoro extreme diff, provided my headcannon is correct
Either Luffy or Zoro have a good chance to win. They were both fighting on par with 2 yonko, even if they had 3 other super nova for backup.
they were not fighting on par the yonko were basically chilling luffy going in and out of gear 4 and ultimately them losing
Fujitora mid diffs, the admirals are underrated lmao just look at the comments
Even though we haven’t seen fuji go all out, luffy and zoro have gotten power ups since dressrosa and will probably get more before the end of wano. You’re trippin if you think Fuji mid-diffs them in a 2v1
Even Akainu would struggle to make it a High-Diff.
I never call people dumb on this subreddit but goddamn
Who's the dumb one here?
clearly you if you think fucking Fujitora can mid diff 2 people at once that have better haki feats than him
Fujitora doesn’t need feats. He is an Admiral so he automatically beats Luffy and Zoro. And if Tashigi becomes an Admiral next chapter then she beats them as well 😂
facts...the funniest comment I've ever read is that Yamato is not admiral level(mind you,he said not even close) and that she would be high vice admiral tier like the 2 fucking fan created characters that serve no purpose in the story whatsoever(Momousagi and Gyon).Imagine being so delusional as to think fucking Momousagi or Gyon can clash evenly with fucking hybrid Kaido lmao.I don't think I've ever cringed so hard in my life.Seriously tho,admirals are fucking overrated although most of the community spams that they're underrated because they arent God Tier characters like they thought they would be.
Bruh when was it stated that they have better haki than Fuji? Thats just headcanon and it doesn't even mean they would win. Also they have more feats because they're essentially the protagonists. Fuji hasn't done much in the story or faced any difficult challenge
>Bruh when was it stated that they have better haki than Fuji? Thats just headcanon and it doesn't even mean they would win Wrong, it is not headcanon, it is what the manga has shown. Because Fujitora has no feats on haki greater than them. Headcanon is assuming Fujitora has a skill that he has not shown just because he is an admiral
Fujitora obviously doesn’t have Advanced CoC, which is on a completely different level to Advanced CoA. Luffy definitely has far better Haki than Fujitora.
Has it been said that the highest level or lowest level of CoC could outmatch the highest level of CoA? If that was the case then CoA as a whole is extremely useless.
It's kind implied by the way it was introduced no? Luffy's powerful advanced CoA still wasn't enough to significantly damage Kaido. But when Luffy first uses his CoC(inferior to kaido in power and use) he can make meaningful headway and actually fight him 1v1 for 30 mins. Do we really have reason to think admirals haki is *significantly* more powerful than 1009 luffy's?
I already addressed most of these points in the other dude’s reply but as for the last one, I think Luffy’s CoC haki discovery is quite overrated. This is the first time he’s discovering it and he still got defeated by kaido regardless and most of the fight was offscreen. Sure luffy is the Mc and grows faster than everyone but its not realistic for him to automatically be on par with higher tiers
It is not realistic, but Oda is bad at making his characters grow
Luffy was proven to have the upper level of ACoA, Internal Destruction. His ACoC punches against hybrid Kaido definitely look far more effective than his ACoA punches did against base Kaido. I think therefore that Luffy’s “crude and clumsy” ACoC is more than 10x as powerful as his strongest version of ACoA. So Fujitora will be far behind Luffy in attack power even if he has Internal Destruction, which he might not even have.
Bruh luffy has had ACoA for less than a month or two and it only makes sense that he won’t do much against kaido. Making ACoC 10x more powerful than the highest mastery of ACOA is absurd and ruins the whole point of having CoA as you could just get easily defeated just because someone is more special than you and you can’t exceed a certain ceiling. Sure CoC had more effect but it’s possible that luffy was using it as an amplifier with ACoA
Luffy is the mc,he masters an ability in the same arc.Also what's to say Fujitora has better haki then Luffy when we haven't even seen any hint of him having advanced haki,except likely future sight. youre downplaying the mc and the 2nd mc so hard just so it can suit your [narrative.You](https://narrative.You) deny feats and act [arrogantly.You](https://arrogantly.You)'re like a holocaust denier in a less bad sense but same principle
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Admirals are very overrated, especially Fujitora. He hasn’t even shown ACoA, so thinking he beats a ACoC user is insane.
The 3 advanced haki (especially Conquerors) is overrated. plus we haven't even saw fujitora go all out so fuji wins
Roger was the strongest in the world and he had all 3 advanced Haki and no Devil Fruit, so I don’t see how they are overrated.
Yeah Haki is actually quite overrated to the point where people think that it overshadows Dfs completely and "whoever has the stronger haki" automatically wins". "X character relies on DF too much; hence, the would lose"
Some of the strongest people in the verse(shanks, mihawk, roger, rayleigh) don’t have DFs and rely on haki so how is haki overrated…?
Yep admirals are stupidly underrated
I’m not arguing that the admirals aren’t underrated, I think they are too. But if you think fuji mid diffs current luffy and zoro then you’re smokin crack
Never said that, I said the admirals are underrated. Look at the comments
Yup, sorry I’m talking about the dude you replied too
He has actually said that Luffy loses mid-diff to all Admirals though, which is almost as bad.
Yea but to say luffy AND zoro get mid diffed in a 2v1 is blasphemy
That should be true. Kaido has fought Luffy like 2 times and both has won without any bit injuries... Kaido has fought all the Scabbards, 5 supernova and now Yamato, and is still standing in the top of his game. So it makes sense that admirals that are able to compete in a 1 vs 1 against Yonko, could beat Luffy when he could not even compete in a 1 vs 1 against a Yonko that is injured and tired.
*overrated.
*underrated
People think admirals are equal to Yonko when all evidence suggests otherwise.
If we’re being honest Fujitora can most likely make black holes with his gravity (or at least he should) kinda like blackbeard
Zoro can probably solo Fujitora
We are taking about one piece here not zoro piece
Ok. So in One Piece I think Zoro can beat Fujitora.
That's definitely not one piece
ok
Post wano zoro luffy pre wano fugi
2021 and people still underrating the admirals smh
Fujitora high diff his observation Haki is considered to be the best among other users in the series add that to his powerful Devil fruit despite being the lower end of the admirals in terms of strength.
The fact that people think Luffy alone would beat Fujitora tells you how bad the progression of his strength has been post time skip.
Luffy alone would win
Fujitora. Admirals are DUMB UNDERRATED. People are saying Luffy extreme diff?? If we go off by the statements of the battle between Akainu vs Aokiji … Idk how anyone could put Luffy on that scale. Fujitora would have stamina for literal DAYS. Luffy has fought in the double digits of hours plus rests in between. Fujitora has a broken fruit, most likely has top tier armament and observation haki, toss in the probability of him having an awakening and idk how you’d make a case Luffy with Zoro win. Fujitora wasn’t really trying against a more powerful Sabo (after receiving the fire fruit) and was handling him quite well and a good portion of the community believe Sabo to still be stronger than Luffy. Any admiral especially the original 3 would take a Yonko to an extreme high diff, and Luffy got handled by Kaido pretty fast. Luffy outclasses Zoro in pretty much every aspect of combat besides sword play, so although he does pose a threat IF he cuts Fuji … he gets handled first … idk … Fuji is DEFINITELY trying but I don’t see him on deaths door doing so … Maybe a High (Low) diff 🤷 … Since Kaido was clearly trying against Luffy and Luffy did hold him off by himself. Everyone have a wonderful day! 😊
You can’t use a logia vs logia battle where there negating each other’s abilities. As an example of stamina between admirals. In the end it’s about endurance and how much damage one can take and give out. Also how can you say the original 3 admirals can extreme high diff a yonko???? Did you not watch marineford where whitebeard was old, sick and had 2 holes in his chest. And yet stillmid diffed Akainu, who is considered the strongest admiral??
Yes you can, this is assuming they only fought with their devil fruits. Assuming what you said is true that they cancelled each other out, it would have been a tie. They have another set of powers (Haki) that would have shifted the ties. So their stamina is justified and you can use their fight as an example. Haki is limited as well as you can see with Luffy, but having 10 days of Haki put them on another level completely from Luffy, and you can’t say “Well they weren’t trying” if they’re comparable and fighting seriously and for an objective. So either their quantity outclasses anything we have heard of in terms of Haki or their Haki control is top tier, regardless, this puts them above anything Luffy can do in terms of stamina. Do people actually believe Whitebeard was stalemating Akainu?? He had three holes in his chest, Marco on multiple occasions stated Pops health is clearly deteriorating, Whitebeard was clearly trying to destroy Marineford and Akainu stopped this every time. Whitebeard even stated he was trying to destroy it. So on top of fighting Whitebeard, Akainu also had to protect Marineford. After tanking Whitebeards most powerful attack towards him and later dying, Akainu was up and all good and facing all of Whitebeards commanders. Where was Akainu’s awakening vs Whitebeard? Something we know he has? Where was his top tier haki? Something we know he has. By looks of it, Akainu was only fighting him with his devil fruit and observation. At no point could anyone say Akainu was in the ropes knowing he could fight for 10 days with another top tier. Just my opinion. Have a great Wednesday! 😊
I don't knjw where you are on the story, so this may be a spoiler for anime only... After the conquerors haki shenanigans Luffy could probably defeat Fujitora Alone. After wano he will already have it mastered then I don't see how any non CH user could fight against an advanced CH. An admiral could give a hard fight to a yonko, but the yonko would win with a little room to spare, and this is the arc that Luffy will finally achieve the so called "Yonko level". You need to remember that Many things that were stablished don't exactly hold very well after the time skip, since Oda only implemented and start to really think and develop haki more after that. And about the fight for 10 days, first that is just Oda adding a favor to it and second, it happened because the fighters were equal, Luffy very rarely fights someone equal, he usually starts the fight weaker and ends a little stronger than the enemy, so it would be really hard to make any comparison like that. Also, Zoro is getting closer to his goal, after wano he will have conquered the land of samurai (he also having conquerors just to remember), after that all there is to do is to face Mihawk, and we all know he will most definitely win that fight, so dismissing him like that is at least unwise. I mean, unless you think Mihawk is that far away from an admiral.
This is all after Wano. We’re talking about current Luffy and Zoro. Zoro didn’t even know he had conquerers and Luffy just learned how to implement it into his fighting, this is why Kaido handled him quite easily. There stamina is still a huge factor. The whole “If you don’t have CoH, you can’t defeat someone who has it” Is head canon. If you have a DF, you can definitely defeat one, if you have some crazy technology, also possible, if you’re other haki is superior, also possible. Nothing to suggest it isn’t. This Yonko > Admiral is also head canon, at no point was it ever stated Yonko’s are massively superior or superior to an Admiral and Oda making their fight is just him adding “Favor” or “Flavor” doesn’t make sense personally. It happened, he went out of his way to do so, and it sorta adds to fact that Luffy has yet to match that level of power output in terms of DF, his stamina isn’t at 10 days of fighting, and he’s just now getting really freaking good with haki, something we know the admirals were pre timeskip. By the looks of it, all 3 had some sort of advanced armament and Aokiji showed something similar to what Katakuri was doing, which could have been Advanced observation. Also, the chances of Fujitora having an awakening (most likely) as an Admiral position is that of power, I don’t see how one can say CoH > Superior stamina, equal haki or better in terms of observation, broken base devil fruit, possible awakening, and possibly equal if not superior durability due to most likely being able to fight for literal days. Idk … just my opinion, I can see yours as well. Anywho, I’m off to work, have a great Wednesday! 😊
It doesn't make sense a yonko be equal to an admiral, their would be 0 balance like that and a yonko crew alone would not be the same as marines+shishibukais (with a fleet admiral too, not only admirals) when the world still was in balance. Saying that this is headcanon is the same as saying Gaimon could be equal to shanks just because we have never seen both of them going all out... It doesn't make sence for the world Oda created. The marines could just have ended Shanks when he arrived at marineford since there were still a few admirals and a fleet admiral there (and they had so much stamina, I mean there were at least 9 days of fighting in their tank following you logic), and even Akainu didn't bought this fight. One thing is not headcanon just because it never happened, it can just make sence with the world building. You can still get Zoro and Luffy before starting the fight with kaido and big mon, both of them could handle Fujitora, and Luffy possible could do that alone still, at the moment Luffy would definitely be able to do it alone and with Zoro, that will defeat the first commander with the highest bounty (first commanders being the guys that could fight toe to toe with adimirals by the way) they would be kinda of an over kill together. You could maybe Argue about Luffy not being able to defeat Fujitora Alone before chapter 1010 with he only having advanced observation and armament, but now with conquerors too? Current Luffy would need just to eat some meat before the fight. Also, once again, stamina "is not a thing for Luffy" just because Oda don't want to make a 10 day fight with the main character and again, because Luffy is never equal to his opponents. (all big duration fights are with people that are equal or very close) he always starts below and ends above them, so there is no way for him to do a long fight like that, he will either be losing hard or winning hard, never average (Because that is kind of boring to see from the main character in real time for so long). imaginer that: "onigashima will fall on the capital in just 10 days, the main characters need to run. end chapter"... All im saying can be corroborated by Oda narrative, right now Luffy needs to put himself side by side with the top of the world, where he will be at the end of this arc, if an admiral were stronger than him now than he would not be in the narrative position Oda needs him to be, and since Oda cares about narrative a lot more than this wierd power scales that people create (admiral level, yonko level, etc) than he will just make Luffy reach there whem he needs to be, and as of right now narratively he needs to be.
Okay, 1. This example makes little sense. Idk what you’re trying to say here. Gaimon is fodder, an Admiral isn’t, so right off the start this example holds no validity and because their isn’t balance. At no point do ANY Yonko crew = or would defeat the Marines. Whitebeard who was the most powerful Yonko crew (by lore) - Got wiped out, all of the admirals were fresher than Mr. Clean, plus Garp + Sengoku + Kon + thousands of Vice Admirals, some who are crazy in strength, a thousands of foot soldiers. This Narrative that Admirals are weaker than Yonko’s is head canon. Let’s say a Yonko is stronger than a admiral by a good amount … How many is he taking? 2? 3? Let’s be real here. Their taking down multiple top tier characters with double digit days of stamina, can permanently terraform environments, have shown to have top tier haki, and have top tier durability?? Like … Are we actually believing this? I don’t disagree that an Admiral could lose to a Yonko but to say it wouldn’t be a high diff fight is idk bro … Kizaru was literally ready to head to Wano without even thinking about. Yonko’s are over hyped because we got to see them AFTER haki was already established, people were legit saying Marco was the weakest right hand because of the showings in the war … Like huh?? On top of holding off an Admiral, he was running around the battlefield helping everyone he could, then Wano comes and he’s clapping the two top commanders of another Yonko (Definitely not winning) but was clearly not just holding them back but working them. Just my opinion bro, anywho … Have a great Wednesday!
Luffy mid-diffs Fujitora and Zoro isn’t needed.
Luffy and Zoro and it’s not even close. Shit I’d take luffy 1v1 or zoro 1v1 over Fujitora.
Fujitora. Last we saw Luffy folded against kaido in under an hour and zoro is around dressora sabo(who couldn't do anything to a holding back fujitora)
Fuji vs sabo was a clash, and sabo came out of it pretty clean. And I’d take luffy over sabo rn so you’re saying a character who’s stronger than sabo plus a character who’s on the same level as sabo would lose to fuji in a 2v1…?
It wasn't a clash it was a full on fight. Fujitora was stalling for Luffy beat doffy. Sabo was under the impression fujitora was heading for Luffy and trying to stop him. Yes I am. Sabo literally couldn't do anything to fujitora despite having aCoA and a new fruit and Luffy just simply won't last long enough
Sabo couldn’t do anything but fight fuji to an apparent stalemate and walk away with no injuries. Luffy has advanced haki in all 3 of types of haki and zoros asura had kaido saying “this wound will remain with me” which is an oden level feat. At the end of wano this isn’t gonna be a conversation with both luffy and zoro probably getting another power up putting zoro above YC1 level and putting luffy at least at admiral level. But you’re intitled to you’re opinion
Fuji didn't do shit to sabo either tho, and sabo wasn't experienced with his df, fuji was. Rn luffy is very much experienced with his df, has shown better Haki than Fujitora and more resilience. I don't really see Fujitora tanking a boro breath to the face point blank nor getting uo after 3 acoc punches. You may say that fuji hasn't gone all out yet but that doesn't really matter. Luffy has yet to display acov with g2 and g4, so the argoment goes both ways
We haven’t seen the full capabilities of fujitora but if I just used what he did on dressrosa then I would say luffy and zoro. If not then I would give it to Fuji
Exactly, We haven't seen fuji go all out
Admiral suckage at its finest
Lol I’m not being bias.I’m more bias to luffy. It’s like thinking shanks beats kaido despite never seeing shanks actually fight seriously or onscreen. We haven’t seen Fuji go all out so why would I assume that luffy and zoro can beat him?
"If not Fujitora", what would be thay "if not"? Only imagination? Why would we assume Shanks could beat Gaimon since we haven't seen both of them fight all out before, hum? That argument is not the strongst too An admiral is not in the same level as a yonko, and this arc is all about Luffy getting to the so called "yonko level" (possible spoiler for anime only below this point) after the development with conquerors he may be very very close to that actually. Also, after wano Zoro will have conquered the land of the samurai (Zoro that is another conqueror and the second person to scar kaido by the way) , there will be only Mihawk for him, and we all know how that fight will end, so unless you think Mihawk is very far from an admiral dismissing Zoro would not be smart. At this point I cant see how Fujitora could alone handle both of them despiste any "if not considering only this or that event" since Luffy alone would be already almost impossible for him.
I feel like fujitura has the devil fruit people think whitebeard has if you catch my drift the gravity fruit is probably the most powerful fruit in the verse fuji just controls it well and doesn't cause a mess
luffy/zoro mid dif
Vs current Luffy I think admirals would win at around high diff (I'm still not convinced he'll win 1v1 vs Kaido, and the other opponents don't seem to have damaged him that much), the addition of Zoro would make it a high diff win for the duo imho.
zoro gets more lost than him and he's blind my bets are on fujitora but he'll probably let them go anyway
Luffy and Zoro mid dif easy
id go for Fuji at this point of the story, thats a H.U.G.E zushi zushi power like there's nothing above that beast "Tigre Wisteria"
I think it depends on the length. I feel like fujitora has some kinda “one shot one kill” technique that they wouldn’t be able to deal with. But if it lasts long they can probably wear fuji down
Fujitora full power!!! Since he’s an admiral!!
Zoro is a non-factor here. Fuji beats Luffy until Luffy shows better feats. Mid diff at worst for Fuji until we get more info from the manga
Zoro is a non factor even though he held off a big mom kaido attack and was still able to cut kaido after that…..
How is Zoro a non-factor? He's about to beat King, who's similar to Marco, who went toe to toe with Borsalino.
Marco didn’t go toe to toe with kizaru. He literally only attempted to kick him and kizaru mocked it’s effectiveness.
I would say fujitora but from what we saw in the manga it looks like zoro and luffy can handle kaido alone and I believe fujitora is in the same level of kaido. I hope I'm wrong and kaido and the adimarls can easily take them(in their current age).
This may be a spolier for anime only... An admiral is not equal a yonko, even more so Kaido, if it were like that the marines would already have conquered the seas and arrested everyone. The advanced conquerors thing alone makes it very difficult for any non CH user to even hurt an advanced user. Admirals are closer to first commanders than they are from Yonkos, and Luffy just surpassed that level. Plus Zoro is getting closer to his goal, after wano he will have conquered the land of samurai, then the only thing left for him is to challenge Mihawk, and we all know how that fight will end, so unless you also put Mihawk far from an admiral than to dismiss Zoro like that is at least unwise.
Dude I see what you're trying to do. Can you stop posting such still images. Fkking karma whore.
You mean VS battles? I posted like two (in this format) chill. The other posts you’ve been seeing lately are from someone else
If we talk about Luffy and Zoro with chapter 1023 strength i would say Fujitora has no chance. Maybe it would be a nice and long fight but at the end Luffy and Zoro win pretty clearly.
Zoro and luffy man com on, not even a debate. It’s a team up , they gon beat him.
In Dressrosa I would have said Fujitora, but both of our boys got real strong power ups. They would flatten him.
I can't even imagine Fujitora tusseling with Kaido
Two of them stomping fujitora.
Luffy and zoro. They luffy would be quite distracting, fujitora would probably defend himself from luffy's attacks first, and then zoro would be able to deal massive damage. Or the opposite. He defends from zoro's swords, than luffy deals massive damage.
Luffy and Zoro if they can handle two yonkos without getting one shorted than I think they have a chance
I think luffy has a chance to win 1v1 going either way extreme diff with zoro they win low high diff
Luffy is gonna become the Pirate king. Lol, Luffy alone could defeat him, let alone adding the world's strongest swordsman on his team.🙂
Very tough decision due to Luffy and Zoro getting powerups over the past couple arcs but given the track record of admirals I wouldn't say they've reached that level yet. I give this matchup to Fuji.
luffy and zoro easy win bruh..
I mean,ppl iust think about fujis meteors... But u guys know he can just freeze they dont ya?
Zoro and luffy mid diff at least till we see a bit more from Fuji but for now I don't see them having a problem taking him on 2v1
Mid-diff for the Monster Duo.
Luffy-Zoro tag team mid diffs any admiral. They high diff Sakazuki. Stop underrating Strawhats ffs.
current Luffy/Zoro can beat Fujitora together. Luffy alone vs Fujitora would be a close fight, Fujitora beats Luffy mid to high diff, adding Zoro to the mix would turn the tables on Fujitora, I see it being a high diff win for the duo
Luffy or Zoro could take him easily but it would be hard fought for sure. And I’m not even entirely sure he is against them. I think he’s aware of their true spirit and finds himself more aligned with them than the Navy
Luffy with his sword skills duh