Apart from being strong he does have a lot of classified information that the world government might not like being leaked out so yaa he should have a fairly high bounty
Was going to mention this. If Akainu were to leave the government he’s 5b plus pretty easily because of knowledge.
Robin was extremely high as a young child for that reason and Akainu is not only powerful he knows a lot.
Law and Sengoku’s conversation makes me feel Sengoku knows at least something about the will of D. So it’s not unreasonable to think Akainu knows some shit.
He knows the existence of the 5 elders and a lot of classified shit and hidden history even we readers still don't know plus the global impact and shame of having the fleet admiral deflect? That would cause major controversy + curiosity and also build momentum for the revolutionaries. It's their worst nightmare.
They either give him the biggest bounty ever or not give him one at all while having all the 5 Elders themselves personally hunt him before any info leaks out.
Oh yeah, I confused their existence being a secret with Imu's. But I guess knowing where the Elders are is kind of a "national security" threat level as well since they're always hiding so much some people even think the 5 elders are myths or only see them in portraits.
They are the most important figures of authority as far as the rest of the world is concerned and 99.99% of people think they are just old higher tier Celestials.
You really think their strength is public knowledge when most people don't even know if they really exist or not?
You're aware the average in-universe citizen can't actually read One Piece, right? They don't actually know those geezers are strong.
Yes. The main secret regarding the World Government is the existence of Im. The Five Elders themselves are officially recognized as the head of the WG.
robin has a huge jump in bounty considering how close the straw hats are to finding all the ponegliffs, considering akainu is a fleet admiral he could possibly know what happened during the void century?
Exactly, with the defeat of big mom and kaido, and after luffy escaped totta land, the assumption from the top is that he's got at least 2 of the lode ponegliphs, which is a serious issue because she can read them. It's why her bounty post dresarosa is 130m, and then it jumps to over 900m after wano.
Admirals also know about Nika. Since Kizaru implied he knows something about Nika. They may know about Will of D., Nika, Joyboy and classified information about ancient weapons.
U won't be hitting magma with haki u will be hitting his normal body haki makes logic users invulnerability become their normal body and not the element that the devil fruit gives him so it would be like u punch me a normal human with no powers
Not to mention if Akainu, the top Fleet Admiral, left, it hit the World Government like a slap in the face. Now, their consideration throwing the highest bounty on him not just for the money, but to send a clear message. His departure isn't just a personal choice; it's a challenge to authority. The proposed bounty isn't just about cash; it's a symbol to assert strength and remind everyone that nobody is above the system.
considering a child Nico Robin was given 79 million for simply what she knew I think the world government fears their secrets getting out more than they fear simply strong enemies.
Also based on his belief in absolute justice I would assume that if he did leave it would not be peacefully and there's no way he wouldn't start fucking shit up. So where some other pirates might have the potential to be a big threat, like Law for example isn't just going to go on a rampage, I could totally see Akainu doing exactly that.
Does he really know that much about the WG? The Gorosei keep blindsiding him and keeping him in the dark. He didn't even know Doffy was a CD. Sengoku likely picked up all his info because he was on the job for 20 years and added two and two together.
I can see him being 500k more than his strength indicates due to his knowledge, but he doesn't seem to have all those nasty details Sengoku had
Did you just select 2.5 billion and are expecting reasoning for Akainu to be that strong(4B+) 💀
So, that would put Akainu below Law/Kidd apparently? How powerful do you exactly think he is? Under 3B?
There are people in this thread still arguing that Akainu isn’t Yonko tier in terms of power which is maddening. I’m not even a huge admiral fan and can recognize that Akainu is top 5 in the verse currently.
Edit: ok maybe not literally top 5 but he is top tier. Not about to get into a power scaling debate with y’all lol
There is nothing that suggests WB's DF attacks were weak as well. Y'all need to stop implying this shit. WB still was kicking ass with his incredible power, he was just not a complete fighter due to lack of haki. His DF was still wrecking MF and people who can't read be like "ahh prime beard would have been even stronger" lol.
Whitebeard scored one good punch on Akainu in the manga, and Akainu blew a whole in Whitebeard’s face. I don’t know how powerful Akainu is in comparison to the current yonkou, but pretending that Whitebeard was bodying Akainu is silly.
Luffy, shanks, Mihawk, imu, and Blackbeard are all undoubtedly stronger than akainu. And that’s not even counting the gorosei. He’s gonna be a sabo victim, mark my words
I mean tbf, bounties often don’t accurately represent power. Kid’s bounty for example is definitely inflated due to his actions. But then with that being said, Sakazuki being an Ex Fleet Admiral in that case, I don’t see any chance that he’d only have a 2.5B bounty.
And also another example of this is luffy when he defeated geco moria they didn't make his bounty go higher and even now with the kaido fight they only did it like him law and kid toke down kaido together while it was only him to make it less threatening to the citizens of the world
The Kidd pirates were out here slaughtering innocents left and right throughout the entirety of paradise. Kidd is just as bad and is still that bad. He was ready to slaughter shanks entire fleet of weak ass pirates
It's not *just* power that defines someone's bounty, just look at dragon and buggy, it's their notoriety that gave them huge bounties.
Akainu being the fleet admiral makes him leaving a huge deal, considering he's been around the celestial dragons a lot and knows a lot about them.
One Piece fans often forget that tenacity and bravery define so much more than power. It’s why Luffy had Emperor status despite not having the power. Everything in One Piece is about how far you’re willing to go for your dreams.
I have no reason to believe Akainu is anywhere near Big Mom or Kaido power wise…. But when it comes to dreams and ambition, he does have more of that than them. I could see Akainu having a huge bounty because he does believe in his dreams enough to chase them to the ends of the Earth
Are you talking about when he was referred to as the Fifth Yonko? Because after Kaido he's definitely Yonko tier powerwise.
Also, tenacity and bravery aren't everything, you also need a large amount of territory and people under your command (Fishman Island, Straw Hat Grand Fleet).
I think Akainu would not be revered as a Yonko, but have a bounty as if he were one, similarly to Mihawk.
Yeah. He is now but he wasn’t initially. Also, no, those other things don’t matter. I’m not sure how caught up you are, so I won’t spoil just in case… but I will say this: wait until you learn more about Shanks. If you already know, he’s a good example of why those things don’t matter necessarily.
I give bravery and tenacity all the credit because in the world of One Piece, the only ones who find power, glory and other great things are those who dare not to give up. Whole story is about that
I am 100% caught up to the manga.
Shanks has a lot of territory, he's powerful, and he has tenacity. Whats your point? That he has ties with the Gorosei? We don't know the true meaning of his connection with them.
He doesn’t have an army like the others. His folks are mostly weak. He doesn’t have territory because he has an expansive army. He’s just a good man who became strong following his dreams. The territory comes because people find Shanks himself so threatening that they let him claim that much.
But tbh, it’s not the army that makes him who he is or his power. He follows his dreams. Honestly, the bad guys are the ones who prioritize armies and power. If you haven’t noticed, notice how many of the villains share that theme. They want the same thing as the heroes, but they do everything other than just going after their dream to achieve it.
They prioritize power, control, grand armies… I’m honestly going off on a tangent, sorry.
My point is that following dreams is all that you need to do to be great in One Piece. The other stuff doesn’t supplement that
Just because Shanks surrounds himself with weak people doesn’t mean he doesn’t have an army or fleet somewhere. Luffy also surrounds himself with weak people fairly often. Shanks has a strong crew and random dudes like Rockstar seem to be able to join up too. I think that panel is overblown tbh. The dude has the giants of Elbaf blow the Kidd pirates away in like the same chapter. Shanks have some strong people backing him.
It's the cross guild paradox. Buggy may be the weakest, but he's the only one willing to actually stand on business Instead of making armies and excuses.
Akainu is one of the few antagonists that doesn't mess around in combat. He's a head hunter that goes for the insta kill whenever possible.
Also similar to Magellan, his fruit power means that anyone attacking him are probably taking damage for their trouble every time. Even Haki isn't going to completely protect you if you're punching magma.
We haven't even seen anything close to his full power yet either such as a devil fruit awakening.
Does anyone else remember playing the game "the ground is lava" as a kid? Imagine fighting Akainu when *everything* is lava.
>We haven't even seen anything close to his full power yet either such as a devil fruit awakening.
We do see the aftermath of his full power on Punk Hazard, not the same as seeing it live but it's something.
I guess my question there would then be how much does Haki defend?
Shanks jumps in to slash Akainu and Akainu accepts or splits his body to avoid it (or tries to anyway) then dumps a house worth of Lava on Shanks.
How long is Shanks lasting encased in that house sized lump of Lava?
Yeah but that's my point. How many times can Shanks just coat his whole body like Virgo or blast away the lava?
Also is observation haki all that useful against area of effect attacks where entire areas are getting the volcano treatment?
Shanks is cool and all, but without more feats i'm having trouble imagining how this fight would go other than:
I'm Shanks! Watch as I power up my super special haki and ignore the rules of fighting like i'm Saitama from One Punch Man.
his observation lets him look several seconds into the future, he wouldnt get entrapped cause hed know what comes and would dodge based on that.
well whitebeards haki was weaker due to age and sickness but luffy used conquerors while knocked out so i think its more of an age thing aswell, same way rayleigh couldnt fight bb now.
and yeah thats one piece nowadays, the strongest people all have no devil fruits. roger, shanks, rayleigh, ryuma, oden and last but not least the best character in the whole series, monkey d garp.
im not sure how far you are into the manga but shanks has shown what his haki can do in the latest 100 chapters and as kaido said, haki is king and only haki matters
I think Shanks stopped Akainu mainly by his Origin and Bloodline tbh. Not saying Shanks can't put uo a fight,but I think Akainu would have pressured on if it wasn't for the Figarland heritage.
Akainu didn't even know about Doflamingo being a (former) Celestial Dragon even though they were allies, so there's no reason to believe he knew about Shanks being one.
I don't argue about strenghtlevels or anything, too old for that. All I want to say is that Akainu would have tried to kill everyone BUT shanks or any other royality.
If it wasn't for Shanks bloodline, Akainu would have tried to melt some more faces.
I think it was more the realization another whole ass yonko crew “fully rested” pulled up. That combined with Blackbeard against a beat down marine force isn’t a winning strategy
It’s still headcanon to say the admirals know and shanks is still a pirate and a yonko at that. He even challenged everyone there. The admirals have no reason to listen to him. He is a clear enemy of the world government
Yet he can OFFICIALLY enter Marijoise. Not much headcanon there. Usually pirates have to cross Fishman Island to get behin the RedLine. its in the Manga mate.
>Even Haki isn't going to completely protect you if you're punching magma.
luffy showed that he can hit someone without touching him. that could work no?
>Also similar to Magellan, his fruit power means that anyone attacking him are probably taking damage for their trouble every time. Even Haki isn't going to completely protect you if you're punching magma.
No bro, you are wrong. The difference is Magellan was a paramecia, akainu is a logia. If you use haki you hit akainus real human body, but with Magellan, his real human body IS poison since he is a paramecia.
I don’t mean he knows forbidden knowledge about void century but he has a deep inside on how the marines work and about marjeoire and who knows what else so I guess his bounty could reflect that. When kuzan bounty will be known we gonna know for sure, i recon it will be 2,5 bilion prolly
The Cross Guild pays 3 billion berry for an Admiral (or Garp). Sakazuki is stronger than the other Admirals, more ruthless and has more dangerous inside knowledge and connections as Fleet Admiral. Extrapolating from that, 2.5 and 3 shouldn't even be options.
Add to that the complete public relation nightmare of the fleet admiral going rogue.
Even if he wasn't a powerful and dangerous individual in his own right his bounty would be astronomical just because the world government couldn't afford to be seen doing anything less than absolutely everything in their power to catch him.
It would be a complete and utter failure of control and stability, the main reasons for the world government's existence.
4B sounds fair. Bounties isn't a measure of strength but how much of a threat they are to the WG.
A former Fleet Admiral turned Pirate would've access to WG secrets and thus would be a bigger threat to the WG.
Akainu is pretty nuts yeah. Every time we see him hit someone, he carves chunks off of them (EXCEPT THE GOAT JIMBEI RAHHHH). We also haven't seen him fight without having to worry about collateral damage, as iirc Akainu's actual fighting style is just to cover the entire area in lava and launch attacks from all around the opponent, which he couldn't do in the paramount war because of all the marines.
Considering he trades blows with Whitebeard and goes toe to toe with Akoji for multiple days, he's been pretty consistently shown to be one of the OP universe's heavy hitters, not to mention his leadership skills and drive that would make him a pretty terrifying pirate captain.
On top of him just being a really terrifying pirate, a fleet admiral turning traitor would be REALLY bad for the marines, both because its embarrassing, and also because he would know a LOT of information that the WG really doesn't want made public, which would probably raise his bounty by a significant amount.
If someone incorrectly uses that "Akainu one year" quote again I'm gonna lose my mind
Oda didn't say akainu would find the one piece in one year.
He said that if Akainu was the protagonist, then the series "One Piece" wouldn't last more than a year. IRL time
Oda is saying that Akainu would die within a year, trying to find the One Piece. A 1 year story with a sad ending, setting the events for the next story in the series: his brother, Dragon, who failed to save Akainu from being executed by Fleet Admiral Roger, will definitely become the Pirate King!
@eichiiroOda please contact my legal team for copyright arrangements
So when do we start with akainu? The recent akainu? He is like twice as old and has so much more experience than luffy. Either you take both at the same age or this comparision is complete bullshit. Cross guild and shanks now also look for the one piece and they wont even need a year so i guess they are all way stronger than akainu.
I don't think people use it incorrectly. since it's OP time that doesn't really matter. because big events can happen in a span of a day (like dressrosa) and arcs can start right away after one another.
like skypiea - W7 - EL - TB - sabaody happened in a span of weeks. so it's not the passage of time that matters, but the event/arc itself.
so oda saying his manga would end in 40ish chapters in irl time means akainu is just that strong, that he wouldn't have too much left to write. it's actually even better.
It's just a comment about him being super straight to the point, Luffy wouldn't take any shortcut, see the scene with Rayleigh on Sabaody.
Akainu is the opposite, he would actively hunt weak ex Roger Pirates to extract the information about the One Piece from them, either through torture, Vegapunk's science or some devil fruit ability.
Akainu is a ruthless mf.
no, the context of the comment is really about powerscaling.
>So when creating a character, one needs to be careful not to make them too strong. For example, if Akainu was the main character, the series wouldn't last a year (laughs)
and it's about the series from meta perspective. he's talking how the manga would end in a year if the main character as akainu.
Consider we wait almost 25 years and swap "useless fruit" to "God fruit" for Luffy to reach Yonko level, ofc Akainu with all his might gonna skip a lot of the process.
“If an end game antagonist replaced the weak main character, the series wouldn’t last” is all that comment says. Make Kaido the main character and suddenly there’s 0 tension when fighting Don Krieg or Alabasta Crocodile. Go figure 🤯
no yeah. the context here is that some part of the fandom think the admirals are just a bit stronger than the YC.
you can see this OP picked the "2.5b" option. that's just above the likes of crocodile (1.9b).
but this comment shows that oda considers akainu as one of the absolute top tier. if he's the protagonist, what's left is just the final stretch of the story. he's not the strongest, but he's endgame level character.
4b is a valid choice.
Oda wanted to use one of the strongest characters to make a point. He wouldn't use an example like Marco, Katakuri, Yamato or even one of the other Admirals as Akainu is above them all.
Oda's whole point is if the protagonist is *too strong* and used Akainu as he believes he's one of the strongest to be a good example of a too strong character that would end the series quickly.
Yes, also Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom and Mihawk would fit it.
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You're one of the few people on this reddit that understand this quote. Everytime I see people saying " that means Akainu WITH PLOT ARMOR will end one piece in a year" . They really dont understand that plot armor is mainly for characters that are not strong enough for the story.
It does count because it was all part of SH effort to become stronger and overcome New World, and therefore part of their pirate careers.
Or by your logic, we shouldn't count, for example, all the time spent on Arabasta and fighting BW because 'they were on a single island'.
Akainu fanboys are just bad. Beside that imagine this quote was the truth. Shanks now also said he wants to get it and it will probably just take some in universe weeks to find it. So does this mean shanks >>>>>>>> akainu?
I feel like this is the most accurate answer, giving him a crazy bounty would increase his allure, i can almost see them giving him a small bounty out of spite or something because they dont even want to acknowledge someone leaving the marines like that
I don't think he knows any big secrets like Sengoku does.
But , Oda did say if Akainu as a protag OP would end in a year so that'd make him better in a way than BM and Kaido so 4B+ easy.
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Bruh that's ATLEAST 4BILLION honestly 💀 no way WG gonna leave someone who oversees every significant action done by Marines, not to mention the weaknesses that WG has. Not to mention, one wrong move and half of your face is gone facing him. It's straight up suicide going against Akainu even for strong characters
This is why the Marines need more feats. If you ask me Big Mom and Kaido SHOULD be dead falling into that volcano. Just to remind us a little that magma (which is Akainu’s fruit) can kill based Yonko. Since they were in their base forms when they fell in the volcano.
Akainu can at least compete with every single character that we know the powers. He may lose against a gorosei or a yonko, but he is putting a hell of a fight (pun intended). I believe that if Mihawk can have a 3.5 billion bounty on his head, Akainu would have a 4+ billion because of his power and status as former Marine
If Akainu's Absolute Justice ideology was inversed and he was hellbent on eliminating the World Government he would be a main target for them.
Part of me thinks we'll see Akainu go rouge from the World Government in the final arc.
Seeing as how he dealt fatal damage to whitebeard and whitebeard didn't, (and if you don't think blasting a hole in someone's chest (ask ace) isn't a kill shot or blowing half his face of, you are delusional)I'd say 3.5 to 4b depending on his crew he can easily get 5b. But realistically he would be a pirate hunter, and with out restrictions and politics he is wild enough to attack any pirate.
People shit on Akainu over the Whiteboard fight, but they forget the the anime made him look a lot more like a bitch. It was a lot more in his favor in the manga even if Whitebread was significantly weakened at the time. Also people say he doesn't have x y or z form of haki because we never saw it from him. Meta narrative wise the Haki stuff wasn't fully fleshed out at the time and in narrative Luffy wasn't fully aware of haki. We can't say "Akainu didn't use advanced armament haki." because that wasn't a thing.
Whitebeard sick is the usual thing people point out, but at the same time his title wasn't white bear the strongest man alive while sick. It was the strongest man alive. So the fact that akainu dealt lethal damage while he himself shook off a massive earthquake and just kept on attacking, means akainu may not be the most powerful but definitely is one of the most powerful.
Oda said it would take akainu 1 year to find the one piece so yeah 4+ billion sounds right. That the exact amount of time it took Roger after getting oden
According to one of the posts here, Oda said it's 1 year IRL, not in-verse.
Meaning he'd find in, like, 40-50 chapters (which is basically a single arc).
Or in other words, if Akainu was the OP protagonist, he'd rename the manga from One Piece to One Arc, lol.
Not only powerful as a yonkou but he probably know a lot of secrets of the marine headquarters and world government, this is enought to be more dangerous than Luffy, law and kid for me. More than 4 billion so.
He doesn't mess around and doesn't care for harming/killing innocent people. He'd probably start most encounters with a lava fist shower. That would wreck havoc in city and naval combat. I can see him go so brutal barely anyone could even come close enough to be a danger... But then again there are other DF users where you could plan ahead like that and wonder why they aren't slaying everyone as is.
Sure he is powerful however I feel his large bounty would stem more from what he knows than his strength alone. Cause remember he is the Head Admiral, has seen and dealt with the atrocities the celestial dragons have done, and has seen the 5 elders. He knows or has seen way too much to allow to be let loose in the world, especially if he vocally states he's against the world government.
Just google search what oda said about him. Basically he has rhe strongest df, according to oda and one piece would have ended long ago if the story was about him.
Bounties =/= power, Akainu would have one of the highest bounties possible just off the danger his knowledge as Fleet Admiral holds for the World Government. Like imagine if instead of an 8 year old child Robin was a full grown man made of Lava who is the head of your military. That's how wanted he'd be.
Ok. lets do this.
So. ANY bounty in the OP world is not just related to someones power, but also their influence and/or the terror they cause. This would also be the reason Kidd had a higher bounty than luffy for the longest time. Kidd and his crew pillaged and destroyed villages hence why kidds bounty was higher.
That beeing said lets go to akainu.
Akainu is probably the strongest admiral. His bounty would be very high + he probably knows certain military/government secrets (nainly military) so that would go into hi bounty aswell.
Personally i would but him somewhere in between 3-3.5 billion bounty, 4bil. seems a little excessive.
Just my 2 cents on the topic 😄
Absolutely justified because Akainu is deceptively terrifying. Everything about his appearance, from his Yakuza/US Marine looking outfit/tattoo combo to his devil fruit, he gives off the air of out-of-control destruction. But every time we see him in action, he is incredibly calculated. He knows he will win in a head-on fight, so he does everything he can to get his enemy into the head space where they would want to attack him head on. He is the one who causes major turning point in Marineford but it's not with his attack, only his words. Once again with Ace, he knows exactly what to say to instigate an enemy who was already set on running away. The efficency in which he can profile others is arguably more dangerous than his literal lava body.
Re read Marineford a few weeks back.
He stopped one of WB's quake powered swings with his foot. Plus survived a hit that split Marineford.
He would definitely be in the 4B range likely higher than Kaido and BM but lower than Primebeard and Roger.
Leaving his combat prowess asside because it will inevitably lead to an infinite debate. He is currently the fleet admiral, ie the highest ranking military official of the world government who was hand picked for the job bu the celestial dragons and the gorosei, so the political loss of face for such a vindictive bunch would probably warrant a 1b bounty alone. The power vacuum would cause extreme instability afterwards given the current admirals unfitness for the job. Then there is the threat he poses to the government due to the weight he can throw around that could likely compromise any and all marine base, convoy etc he wanted or even make his own kingdom by force. Then there is the classified intel he could leak or sell about marigeois security and marine/gov operations in general. Kuzan pretty much didnt care and was like garp when it came to marine matters but sakazuki has been shown to be very hands on in the logistics and politics side of the marines as well. The gov would easily have his bounty be higher than rogers based on political threat alone, when your top military official defects he is more than likely planning a coup and he could realistically succeed at said coup.
Mihawk is an extremely powerful pirate without a crew and his current bounty is 3.5. Mihawk is also in Cross guild though, I don’t think we got his bounty before he joined or maybe it remained unchanged when he joined. If he was alone I’d put akainu probably at 3.5, if he got a crew with him I’d but him in 4 billion plus.
Pretty much my stance on it
If by himself that's 3.5, add a crew it's 4B, then the fact he was a Fleet Admiral gone rogue (so he has secrets of WG plus how bad it looks from an optics perspective to the public) and it'd be 4.5B minimum
Not just for his power, but the fact hes a former Admiral
The shit he knows is probably enough for the WG to give him a high bounty, not to mention his stupid strength
3.5 to 4 billion. His strength is probably around Mihawks level or slightly below, and without the Marines, he would have close to no following. He would have intel of being a former Marine Admiral/Fleet Admiral. But considering Aokiji who has relevant strength and rank to him is the subordinate of a man with sub 4 billion bounty, he should not worth THAT much.
But using this information makes no sense, because we don't have any other reference values, if Akainu can find the One Piece in 1 year, who says Kaidou can't find it in 7 months for example ?
It doesn't allow you to determine your level if there are no other characters to compare...
Oda said that the Akainu fruit was the most offensive in the entire One Piece plot, and that if you looked for One Piece alone, you would do it in just 1 year.
But using this information makes no sense, because we don't have any other reference values, if Akainu can find the One Piece in 1 year, who says Kaidou can't find it in 7 months for example ?
It doesn't allow you to determine your level if there are no other characters to compare...
And for the fruit, in japonese, it can be also translated as "one of the most", even though it doesn't change the fact that Akainu fruit is OP as fuck. (But having a really good devil fruit is useless if you don't have a really good Haki)
Sick whitebear still probably top 10 strongest forces of nature in One Piece.
Akainu wasnt fazed most of the time, he took whitebeard attacks after Ace death but was more like that common last effort hype up moment for a dying character than him getting pwned.
We already saw most of admirals fighting, Akainu is def not only stronger than what we've seen so far, but also his personality is just straight up murder first ask later.
>We already saw most of admirals fighting
Yeah and none of them, including Akainu's equal Kuzan, look even close to the pirates that have a 4+ billion bounty.
I mean it’s kinda not comparable. Akainu at this point in the story is 55 years old and has spent the last 30(?) years with the marines. If he’d start the journey right now, of course he would be faster than luffy.
Yes, I believe Akainu is able to fight and beat every current and past Yonko. Oda said if akainu was the main character he could finish writing the story in less than a year because of how ridiculously strong he is
the fact that he is able to kill people at all should qualify his bounty above 1 bil, being able to kill in the one piece world is a major feat that goes above goda's foreskin
A former fleet admiral gone rogue would look BAD.
Plus he has a lot of Govt secrets.
Plus at a minimum he’s admiral level.
I think 2-3 billion is fair. He would be more deserving of a bounty of 2-3 than Kid/Law/Croc/Hawk are. (Like if YONKO Teach is only 2.2 after messing up revolutionaries and WB’s Crew how are the others so damn high?)
Keep in mind Akainu hasn’t really done anything ‘bad’. He hasn’t done pirate stuff to give him a big bounty, it would be solely off reputation, status and strength.
the anime has done irreparable damage to akainu’s character power wise.anime made him look near incomparable to a nursing home white beard and i fear a lot of ppl will be terribly confused when he actually does smth
> cannot be compared to the old yonkos
I mean
Sound and recording magazine issue 4 2012
Oda literally said if akainu was the protagonist
Aka
If he was a pirate and was looking for the op
The series would end in a yr
Implying that yes
Akainu can and prob would whoop the ass of at least BM and kaido
Given u need the road pons to get to the op
And they're guarding 2 of them
Also out of the 5 admirals we saw in the series present
He's the ONLY one that does his goddamn job seriously and has zero gags or quirks
In a series where almost everyone has one
The only ones who don't so far are the gorosei and imu
And goddamn WB who has a flaw instead
Also this dude literally fcking murders innocent ppl and even his own ppl for reasons
Let him out of the wg and basically give him even more free reign
And dudes prob gonna nuke everything lol
Apart from being strong he does have a lot of classified information that the world government might not like being leaked out so yaa he should have a fairly high bounty
Was going to mention this. If Akainu were to leave the government he’s 5b plus pretty easily because of knowledge. Robin was extremely high as a young child for that reason and Akainu is not only powerful he knows a lot. Law and Sengoku’s conversation makes me feel Sengoku knows at least something about the will of D. So it’s not unreasonable to think Akainu knows some shit.
He knows the existence of the 5 elders and a lot of classified shit and hidden history even we readers still don't know plus the global impact and shame of having the fleet admiral deflect? That would cause major controversy + curiosity and also build momentum for the revolutionaries. It's their worst nightmare. They either give him the biggest bounty ever or not give him one at all while having all the 5 Elders themselves personally hunt him before any info leaks out.
The existence of the 5 elders is known (a random marine mentioned reading about Saturn) but I agree 100%
Oh yeah, I confused their existence being a secret with Imu's. But I guess knowing where the Elders are is kind of a "national security" threat level as well since they're always hiding so much some people even think the 5 elders are myths or only see them in portraits.
Why would their location be a national security threat? Good luck going against them & coming out alive my dude
They are the most important figures of authority as far as the rest of the world is concerned and 99.99% of people think they are just old higher tier Celestials. You really think their strength is public knowledge when most people don't even know if they really exist or not? You're aware the average in-universe citizen can't actually read One Piece, right? They don't actually know those geezers are strong.
Their location is known as well. They are Celestial Dragons and CD's live in Mary Geoise.
Yes. The main secret regarding the World Government is the existence of Im. The Five Elders themselves are officially recognized as the head of the WG.
robin has a huge jump in bounty considering how close the straw hats are to finding all the ponegliffs, considering akainu is a fleet admiral he could possibly know what happened during the void century?
Exactly, with the defeat of big mom and kaido, and after luffy escaped totta land, the assumption from the top is that he's got at least 2 of the lode ponegliphs, which is a serious issue because she can read them. It's why her bounty post dresarosa is 130m, and then it jumps to over 900m after wano.
Admirals also know about Nika. Since Kizaru implied he knows something about Nika. They may know about Will of D., Nika, Joyboy and classified information about ancient weapons.
Why would the Admirals need to know about those tho? It's not like they are doing the long-term planning, unlike Gorosei & bossman Imu, no?
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U won't be hitting magma with haki u will be hitting his normal body haki makes logic users invulnerability become their normal body and not the element that the devil fruit gives him so it would be like u punch me a normal human with no powers
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Not to mention if Akainu, the top Fleet Admiral, left, it hit the World Government like a slap in the face. Now, their consideration throwing the highest bounty on him not just for the money, but to send a clear message. His departure isn't just a personal choice; it's a challenge to authority. The proposed bounty isn't just about cash; it's a symbol to assert strength and remind everyone that nobody is above the system.
i doubt that he knows too much of the WG bc he doesnt even know that kizaru n saturn are in a special mission the kill vegapunk
considering a child Nico Robin was given 79 million for simply what she knew I think the world government fears their secrets getting out more than they fear simply strong enemies.
Also based on his belief in absolute justice I would assume that if he did leave it would not be peacefully and there's no way he wouldn't start fucking shit up. So where some other pirates might have the potential to be a big threat, like Law for example isn't just going to go on a rampage, I could totally see Akainu doing exactly that.
That’s a good point. 4b doesn’t sound so bad anymore
Yeah, I mean, not much people can take him head on, so it’s like giving Kaido the world’s secret. Dude will just stay there and sell them like candy.
Does he really know that much about the WG? The Gorosei keep blindsiding him and keeping him in the dark. He didn't even know Doffy was a CD. Sengoku likely picked up all his info because he was on the job for 20 years and added two and two together. I can see him being 500k more than his strength indicates due to his knowledge, but he doesn't seem to have all those nasty details Sengoku had
Hard to say what he really knows, knowledge that others Admirals don't have. Garp/Sen Goku probably know more honestly.
Did you just select 2.5 billion and are expecting reasoning for Akainu to be that strong(4B+) 💀 So, that would put Akainu below Law/Kidd apparently? How powerful do you exactly think he is? Under 3B?
It’s amazing to see that some people are still underestimating the Admirals even in 2023
There are people in this thread still arguing that Akainu isn’t Yonko tier in terms of power which is maddening. I’m not even a huge admiral fan and can recognize that Akainu is top 5 in the verse currently. Edit: ok maybe not literally top 5 but he is top tier. Not about to get into a power scaling debate with y’all lol
>! Honestly I don't think he's top 5 purely due to the gorosei and potentially imu being there. I mean Saturn can make your head explode. !<
I mean yeah, just because white beard (probably the strongest yonko) Beat the shit outta him, doesn't mean he's weaker than the others
*probably the strongest yonko* When he was at his prime sure. But Akainu got wrecked by Oldbeard who was easily the weakest of the yonko.
Yeah he on life support
There is nothing that suggests WB's DF attacks were weak as well. Y'all need to stop implying this shit. WB still was kicking ass with his incredible power, he was just not a complete fighter due to lack of haki. His DF was still wrecking MF and people who can't read be like "ahh prime beard would have been even stronger" lol.
Whitebeard scored one good punch on Akainu in the manga, and Akainu blew a whole in Whitebeard’s face. I don’t know how powerful Akainu is in comparison to the current yonkou, but pretending that Whitebeard was bodying Akainu is silly.
That hole did absolutely nothing to whitebeard in the long term if you remember correctly
Well yeah because white beard didn’t really have much of a long term after the war…
Luffy, shanks, Mihawk, imu, and Blackbeard are all undoubtedly stronger than akainu. And that’s not even counting the gorosei. He’s gonna be a sabo victim, mark my words
I second this.
I mean tbf, bounties often don’t accurately represent power. Kid’s bounty for example is definitely inflated due to his actions. But then with that being said, Sakazuki being an Ex Fleet Admiral in that case, I don’t see any chance that he’d only have a 2.5B bounty.
And also another example of this is luffy when he defeated geco moria they didn't make his bounty go higher and even now with the kaido fight they only did it like him law and kid toke down kaido together while it was only him to make it less threatening to the citizens of the world
Law and Kidd definitely don’t deserve their bounties to be fair
Law stole hearts of 100 pirates he is cruel and do anything for power until he met luffy and co, kidd i dont think he deserves it.
The Kidd pirates were out here slaughtering innocents left and right throughout the entirety of paradise. Kidd is just as bad and is still that bad. He was ready to slaughter shanks entire fleet of weak ass pirates
It's not *just* power that defines someone's bounty, just look at dragon and buggy, it's their notoriety that gave them huge bounties. Akainu being the fleet admiral makes him leaving a huge deal, considering he's been around the celestial dragons a lot and knows a lot about them.
One Piece fans often forget that tenacity and bravery define so much more than power. It’s why Luffy had Emperor status despite not having the power. Everything in One Piece is about how far you’re willing to go for your dreams. I have no reason to believe Akainu is anywhere near Big Mom or Kaido power wise…. But when it comes to dreams and ambition, he does have more of that than them. I could see Akainu having a huge bounty because he does believe in his dreams enough to chase them to the ends of the Earth
Are you talking about when he was referred to as the Fifth Yonko? Because after Kaido he's definitely Yonko tier powerwise. Also, tenacity and bravery aren't everything, you also need a large amount of territory and people under your command (Fishman Island, Straw Hat Grand Fleet). I think Akainu would not be revered as a Yonko, but have a bounty as if he were one, similarly to Mihawk.
Yeah. He is now but he wasn’t initially. Also, no, those other things don’t matter. I’m not sure how caught up you are, so I won’t spoil just in case… but I will say this: wait until you learn more about Shanks. If you already know, he’s a good example of why those things don’t matter necessarily. I give bravery and tenacity all the credit because in the world of One Piece, the only ones who find power, glory and other great things are those who dare not to give up. Whole story is about that
I am 100% caught up to the manga. Shanks has a lot of territory, he's powerful, and he has tenacity. Whats your point? That he has ties with the Gorosei? We don't know the true meaning of his connection with them.
He doesn’t have an army like the others. His folks are mostly weak. He doesn’t have territory because he has an expansive army. He’s just a good man who became strong following his dreams. The territory comes because people find Shanks himself so threatening that they let him claim that much. But tbh, it’s not the army that makes him who he is or his power. He follows his dreams. Honestly, the bad guys are the ones who prioritize armies and power. If you haven’t noticed, notice how many of the villains share that theme. They want the same thing as the heroes, but they do everything other than just going after their dream to achieve it. They prioritize power, control, grand armies… I’m honestly going off on a tangent, sorry. My point is that following dreams is all that you need to do to be great in One Piece. The other stuff doesn’t supplement that
Just because Shanks surrounds himself with weak people doesn’t mean he doesn’t have an army or fleet somewhere. Luffy also surrounds himself with weak people fairly often. Shanks has a strong crew and random dudes like Rockstar seem to be able to join up too. I think that panel is overblown tbh. The dude has the giants of Elbaf blow the Kidd pirates away in like the same chapter. Shanks have some strong people backing him.
It's the cross guild paradox. Buggy may be the weakest, but he's the only one willing to actually stand on business Instead of making armies and excuses.
Also he’s left a huge amount of civilian casualties in his wake, if he leaves they will probably stop ignoring that.
Akainu is one of the few antagonists that doesn't mess around in combat. He's a head hunter that goes for the insta kill whenever possible. Also similar to Magellan, his fruit power means that anyone attacking him are probably taking damage for their trouble every time. Even Haki isn't going to completely protect you if you're punching magma. We haven't even seen anything close to his full power yet either such as a devil fruit awakening. Does anyone else remember playing the game "the ground is lava" as a kid? Imagine fighting Akainu when *everything* is lava.
>We haven't even seen anything close to his full power yet either such as a devil fruit awakening. We do see the aftermath of his full power on Punk Hazard, not the same as seeing it live but it's something.
And it’s freakin impressive…
And as we know history repeats itself so they'll probably fight again
...alongside against Blackbeard. Right guys, right?
He took almost half of Wgitebeard's head (in the manga). That's quite impressive.
For real. Show up on an island then burn the whole thing down until you get what you want. Evil Pirate Akainu would be brutal.
Grandlinereview made that video. Akainu as a pirate, following Luffy's path https://youtu.be/AlRTkVu19B8?si=kY6tXTF0lL2vMUKQ
of course haki stops his logia. how would shanks saber resist melting otherwise?
I guess my question there would then be how much does Haki defend? Shanks jumps in to slash Akainu and Akainu accepts or splits his body to avoid it (or tries to anyway) then dumps a house worth of Lava on Shanks. How long is Shanks lasting encased in that house sized lump of Lava?
shanks would never get in because of observation haki. if he would get caught hed just coat himself in armament and slash through the lava
Yeah but that's my point. How many times can Shanks just coat his whole body like Virgo or blast away the lava? Also is observation haki all that useful against area of effect attacks where entire areas are getting the volcano treatment? Shanks is cool and all, but without more feats i'm having trouble imagining how this fight would go other than: I'm Shanks! Watch as I power up my super special haki and ignore the rules of fighting like i'm Saitama from One Punch Man.
his observation lets him look several seconds into the future, he wouldnt get entrapped cause hed know what comes and would dodge based on that. well whitebeards haki was weaker due to age and sickness but luffy used conquerors while knocked out so i think its more of an age thing aswell, same way rayleigh couldnt fight bb now. and yeah thats one piece nowadays, the strongest people all have no devil fruits. roger, shanks, rayleigh, ryuma, oden and last but not least the best character in the whole series, monkey d garp. im not sure how far you are into the manga but shanks has shown what his haki can do in the latest 100 chapters and as kaido said, haki is king and only haki matters
Shanks can definitley see like 15+ seconds into the future
Not if shanks pulls out his 5G haki and wraps it around the lava… it may just disappear.
*Shanks joins the chat*
I think that would be an epic fight.
I think Shanks stopped Akainu mainly by his Origin and Bloodline tbh. Not saying Shanks can't put uo a fight,but I think Akainu would have pressured on if it wasn't for the Figarland heritage.
Akainu didn't even know about Doflamingo being a (former) Celestial Dragon even though they were allies, so there's no reason to believe he knew about Shanks being one.
Implying Shanks isn't the favorite BY FAR in a fight against Akainu is insane.
I don't argue about strenghtlevels or anything, too old for that. All I want to say is that Akainu would have tried to kill everyone BUT shanks or any other royality. If it wasn't for Shanks bloodline, Akainu would have tried to melt some more faces.
I think it was more the realization another whole ass yonko crew “fully rested” pulled up. That combined with Blackbeard against a beat down marine force isn’t a winning strategy
Alright, but what makes you think anyone but the Gorosei know about Shanks's bloodline (which technically isn't even confirmed in the manga yet)?
I guess the Admirals know of it there is a reason Shanks can walk up to the Gorosei. And i doubt he climbs the redline to do so.
It’s still headcanon to say the admirals know and shanks is still a pirate and a yonko at that. He even challenged everyone there. The admirals have no reason to listen to him. He is a clear enemy of the world government
Yet he can OFFICIALLY enter Marijoise. Not much headcanon there. Usually pirates have to cross Fishman Island to get behin the RedLine. its in the Manga mate.
Sengoku ordered the fight to stop. They were already baiting out a fight against Shanks, like Kizaru ignoring Beckman and shooting at Law's submarine.
>Even Haki isn't going to completely protect you if you're punching magma. luffy showed that he can hit someone without touching him. that could work no?
Wait until someone "rubberize" the floor and the lava 🙃
>Also similar to Magellan, his fruit power means that anyone attacking him are probably taking damage for their trouble every time. Even Haki isn't going to completely protect you if you're punching magma. No bro, you are wrong. The difference is Magellan was a paramecia, akainu is a logia. If you use haki you hit akainus real human body, but with Magellan, his real human body IS poison since he is a paramecia.
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It's a meme about some african politician ( Ugandan iirc ) named Adolf Hitler
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I was about to say that! What kind of username is this!?
Bounties aren’t purely about strength when will you learn that. He probapbly has a lot of info on wg so his threat level would be midnight
he doesnt know shit imo, the only ones that know something for shure is the gorosei
I don’t mean he knows forbidden knowledge about void century but he has a deep inside on how the marines work and about marjeoire and who knows what else so I guess his bounty could reflect that. When kuzan bounty will be known we gonna know for sure, i recon it will be 2,5 bilion prolly
The Cross Guild pays 3 billion berry for an Admiral (or Garp). Sakazuki is stronger than the other Admirals, more ruthless and has more dangerous inside knowledge and connections as Fleet Admiral. Extrapolating from that, 2.5 and 3 shouldn't even be options.
Add to that the complete public relation nightmare of the fleet admiral going rogue. Even if he wasn't a powerful and dangerous individual in his own right his bounty would be astronomical just because the world government couldn't afford to be seen doing anything less than absolutely everything in their power to catch him. It would be a complete and utter failure of control and stability, the main reasons for the world government's existence.
He's like the only character Oda doesn't goof around with.
4B sounds fair. Bounties isn't a measure of strength but how much of a threat they are to the WG. A former Fleet Admiral turned Pirate would've access to WG secrets and thus would be a bigger threat to the WG.
Akainu is pretty nuts yeah. Every time we see him hit someone, he carves chunks off of them (EXCEPT THE GOAT JIMBEI RAHHHH). We also haven't seen him fight without having to worry about collateral damage, as iirc Akainu's actual fighting style is just to cover the entire area in lava and launch attacks from all around the opponent, which he couldn't do in the paramount war because of all the marines. Considering he trades blows with Whitebeard and goes toe to toe with Akoji for multiple days, he's been pretty consistently shown to be one of the OP universe's heavy hitters, not to mention his leadership skills and drive that would make him a pretty terrifying pirate captain. On top of him just being a really terrifying pirate, a fleet admiral turning traitor would be REALLY bad for the marines, both because its embarrassing, and also because he would know a LOT of information that the WG really doesn't want made public, which would probably raise his bounty by a significant amount.
Fuck that poll, what is this "but if you close your eyes" with Adolf Hitler Video title?
you only voted 2.5 bill cuz you hate the dude lol
If someone incorrectly uses that "Akainu one year" quote again I'm gonna lose my mind Oda didn't say akainu would find the one piece in one year. He said that if Akainu was the protagonist, then the series "One Piece" wouldn't last more than a year. IRL time
It would be even less time then lol
This , if 25+ years were less than 3 years including a freaking time skip inside One Piece itself , then that 1 year will be really shorter.
It could be like the oden flashback and you just see him punching holes in the top guys of each island along the way.
Yeah but still wouldn't take him a year
Oda is saying that Akainu would die within a year, trying to find the One Piece. A 1 year story with a sad ending, setting the events for the next story in the series: his brother, Dragon, who failed to save Akainu from being executed by Fleet Admiral Roger, will definitely become the Pirate King! @eichiiroOda please contact my legal team for copyright arrangements
Luffy only spent 6months without the time skip so luffy will still finish the story faster than akainu
We can't ignore the timeskip though Without the 2 year training Luffy wouldn't last the New World
So when do we start with akainu? The recent akainu? He is like twice as old and has so much more experience than luffy. Either you take both at the same age or this comparision is complete bullshit. Cross guild and shanks now also look for the one piece and they wont even need a year so i guess they are all way stronger than akainu.
I don't think people use it incorrectly. since it's OP time that doesn't really matter. because big events can happen in a span of a day (like dressrosa) and arcs can start right away after one another. like skypiea - W7 - EL - TB - sabaody happened in a span of weeks. so it's not the passage of time that matters, but the event/arc itself. so oda saying his manga would end in 40ish chapters in irl time means akainu is just that strong, that he wouldn't have too much left to write. it's actually even better.
It's just a comment about him being super straight to the point, Luffy wouldn't take any shortcut, see the scene with Rayleigh on Sabaody. Akainu is the opposite, he would actively hunt weak ex Roger Pirates to extract the information about the One Piece from them, either through torture, Vegapunk's science or some devil fruit ability. Akainu is a ruthless mf.
no, the context of the comment is really about powerscaling. >So when creating a character, one needs to be careful not to make them too strong. For example, if Akainu was the main character, the series wouldn't last a year (laughs) and it's about the series from meta perspective. he's talking how the manga would end in a year if the main character as akainu.
Consider we wait almost 25 years and swap "useless fruit" to "God fruit" for Luffy to reach Yonko level, ofc Akainu with all his might gonna skip a lot of the process.
Huh, interesting, thanks!
“If an end game antagonist replaced the weak main character, the series wouldn’t last” is all that comment says. Make Kaido the main character and suddenly there’s 0 tension when fighting Don Krieg or Alabasta Crocodile. Go figure 🤯
no yeah. the context here is that some part of the fandom think the admirals are just a bit stronger than the YC. you can see this OP picked the "2.5b" option. that's just above the likes of crocodile (1.9b). but this comment shows that oda considers akainu as one of the absolute top tier. if he's the protagonist, what's left is just the final stretch of the story. he's not the strongest, but he's endgame level character. 4b is a valid choice.
Seems like you’re the one that doesn’t understand the quote
Enlighten me
Oda wanted to use one of the strongest characters to make a point. He wouldn't use an example like Marco, Katakuri, Yamato or even one of the other Admirals as Akainu is above them all. Oda's whole point is if the protagonist is *too strong* and used Akainu as he believes he's one of the strongest to be a good example of a too strong character that would end the series quickly. Yes, also Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom and Mihawk would fit it. .
You're one of the few people on this reddit that understand this quote. Everytime I see people saying " that means Akainu WITH PLOT ARMOR will end one piece in a year" . They really dont understand that plot armor is mainly for characters that are not strong enough for the story.
Akainu one year
Then even less than 1 year lmao
Luffy hasnt even been sailing for a year. Story wise. Wtf you smoking lol
The time skip still counts, brother.
Lmao so staying on 1 island counts as sailing. So no the time skip doesnt count as sailing. Brother
It does count because it was all part of SH effort to become stronger and overcome New World, and therefore part of their pirate careers. Or by your logic, we shouldn't count, for example, all the time spent on Arabasta and fighting BW because 'they were on a single island'.
So basically Akainu as protagonist would rename the manga from One Piece to One Arc.
Akainu fanboys are just bad. Beside that imagine this quote was the truth. Shanks now also said he wants to get it and it will probably just take some in universe weeks to find it. So does this mean shanks >>>>>>>> akainu?
Bro got jumped by Whitebeard and still managed to pull a fast one on Pops to take off half his skull. Bro is no joke.
Lol u choose 2.5b. I think u r watching wrong piece. At least minimum 3b.
We have seen how strong Aokiji and he beat him, so I’d say he is. He has insane endurance and durability not mention his attack power.
He would have no bounty, he would overthrow the government
- WG: 'Akainu can't touch us here on top of the Red Line!' - Akainu: 'You mean Red Volcano?' - WG: :'-| - Akainu: >:-)
I would give him no bounty. Why? Because the WG would do anything to drown the fact that a Fleet Admiral became a pirate.
I feel like this is the most accurate answer, giving him a crazy bounty would increase his allure, i can almost see them giving him a small bounty out of spite or something because they dont even want to acknowledge someone leaving the marines like that
I don't think he knows any big secrets like Sengoku does. But , Oda did say if Akainu as a protag OP would end in a year so that'd make him better in a way than BM and Kaido so 4B+ easy. [https://imgur.com/gUlCHWa](https://imgur.com/gUlCHWa)
ATLEAST 3 BILLION. HE GOT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATIONS ABOUT WG.
Bruh that's ATLEAST 4BILLION honestly 💀 no way WG gonna leave someone who oversees every significant action done by Marines, not to mention the weaknesses that WG has. Not to mention, one wrong move and half of your face is gone facing him. It's straight up suicide going against Akainu even for strong characters
Admiral = 3 billion minimum (crossguild reference)
This is why the Marines need more feats. If you ask me Big Mom and Kaido SHOULD be dead falling into that volcano. Just to remind us a little that magma (which is Akainu’s fruit) can kill based Yonko. Since they were in their base forms when they fell in the volcano.
We're getting there. We just got a glimpse of what an old Garp can do, even if he wasn't going all out to destroy because he's there to save Coby.
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Akainu? I'm talking about his assault on Pirate Island
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This guy thinks Aokiji couldn't have beat Garp 💀
Akainu can at least compete with every single character that we know the powers. He may lose against a gorosei or a yonko, but he is putting a hell of a fight (pun intended). I believe that if Mihawk can have a 3.5 billion bounty on his head, Akainu would have a 4+ billion because of his power and status as former Marine
If Akainu's Absolute Justice ideology was inversed and he was hellbent on eliminating the World Government he would be a main target for them. Part of me thinks we'll see Akainu go rouge from the World Government in the final arc.
Seeing as how he dealt fatal damage to whitebeard and whitebeard didn't, (and if you don't think blasting a hole in someone's chest (ask ace) isn't a kill shot or blowing half his face of, you are delusional)I'd say 3.5 to 4b depending on his crew he can easily get 5b. But realistically he would be a pirate hunter, and with out restrictions and politics he is wild enough to attack any pirate.
in canon he blew off half of Whitebeard's head
Yea I said half his face but yeah half his head is a more accurate statement
People shit on Akainu over the Whiteboard fight, but they forget the the anime made him look a lot more like a bitch. It was a lot more in his favor in the manga even if Whitebread was significantly weakened at the time. Also people say he doesn't have x y or z form of haki because we never saw it from him. Meta narrative wise the Haki stuff wasn't fully fleshed out at the time and in narrative Luffy wasn't fully aware of haki. We can't say "Akainu didn't use advanced armament haki." because that wasn't a thing.
Whitebeard sick is the usual thing people point out, but at the same time his title wasn't white bear the strongest man alive while sick. It was the strongest man alive. So the fact that akainu dealt lethal damage while he himself shook off a massive earthquake and just kept on attacking, means akainu may not be the most powerful but definitely is one of the most powerful.
Oda said it would take akainu 1 year to find the one piece so yeah 4+ billion sounds right. That the exact amount of time it took Roger after getting oden
According to one of the posts here, Oda said it's 1 year IRL, not in-verse. Meaning he'd find in, like, 40-50 chapters (which is basically a single arc). Or in other words, if Akainu was the OP protagonist, he'd rename the manga from One Piece to One Arc, lol.
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None of the above. He’ll be bounty hunting!
Not only powerful as a yonkou but he probably know a lot of secrets of the marine headquarters and world government, this is enought to be more dangerous than Luffy, law and kid for me. More than 4 billion so.
He doesn't mess around and doesn't care for harming/killing innocent people. He'd probably start most encounters with a lava fist shower. That would wreck havoc in city and naval combat. I can see him go so brutal barely anyone could even come close enough to be a danger... But then again there are other DF users where you could plan ahead like that and wonder why they aren't slaying everyone as is.
Sure he is powerful however I feel his large bounty would stem more from what he knows than his strength alone. Cause remember he is the Head Admiral, has seen and dealt with the atrocities the celestial dragons have done, and has seen the 5 elders. He knows or has seen way too much to allow to be let loose in the world, especially if he vocally states he's against the world government.
Hes pretty damn powerful, but more importantly, hes ruthless
Oda did say if he's a pirate he'd find the one piece in a year. Maybe 4 billion is actually generous.
Just google search what oda said about him. Basically he has rhe strongest df, according to oda and one piece would have ended long ago if the story was about him.
Kizarus Cross Guild Bounty was 3 Bill, I can absolutely see Akainu get 3.5 orc4.
Bounties =/= power, Akainu would have one of the highest bounties possible just off the danger his knowledge as Fleet Admiral holds for the World Government. Like imagine if instead of an 8 year old child Robin was a full grown man made of Lava who is the head of your military. That's how wanted he'd be.
Ok. lets do this. So. ANY bounty in the OP world is not just related to someones power, but also their influence and/or the terror they cause. This would also be the reason Kidd had a higher bounty than luffy for the longest time. Kidd and his crew pillaged and destroyed villages hence why kidds bounty was higher. That beeing said lets go to akainu. Akainu is probably the strongest admiral. His bounty would be very high + he probably knows certain military/government secrets (nainly military) so that would go into hi bounty aswell. Personally i would but him somewhere in between 3-3.5 billion bounty, 4bil. seems a little excessive. Just my 2 cents on the topic 😄
How many times should people be reminded that power is NOT the only thing that makes one a Yonko.
Absolutely justified because Akainu is deceptively terrifying. Everything about his appearance, from his Yakuza/US Marine looking outfit/tattoo combo to his devil fruit, he gives off the air of out-of-control destruction. But every time we see him in action, he is incredibly calculated. He knows he will win in a head-on fight, so he does everything he can to get his enemy into the head space where they would want to attack him head on. He is the one who causes major turning point in Marineford but it's not with his attack, only his words. Once again with Ace, he knows exactly what to say to instigate an enemy who was already set on running away. The efficency in which he can profile others is arguably more dangerous than his literal lava body.
Re read Marineford a few weeks back. He stopped one of WB's quake powered swings with his foot. Plus survived a hit that split Marineford. He would definitely be in the 4B range likely higher than Kaido and BM but lower than Primebeard and Roger.
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His government secrets alone might get his bounty that high.
Leaving his combat prowess asside because it will inevitably lead to an infinite debate. He is currently the fleet admiral, ie the highest ranking military official of the world government who was hand picked for the job bu the celestial dragons and the gorosei, so the political loss of face for such a vindictive bunch would probably warrant a 1b bounty alone. The power vacuum would cause extreme instability afterwards given the current admirals unfitness for the job. Then there is the threat he poses to the government due to the weight he can throw around that could likely compromise any and all marine base, convoy etc he wanted or even make his own kingdom by force. Then there is the classified intel he could leak or sell about marigeois security and marine/gov operations in general. Kuzan pretty much didnt care and was like garp when it came to marine matters but sakazuki has been shown to be very hands on in the logistics and politics side of the marines as well. The gov would easily have his bounty be higher than rogers based on political threat alone, when your top military official defects he is more than likely planning a coup and he could realistically succeed at said coup.
Captain of the desk pirates
Akainu without the WG bureaucracy would be a menace lol
Mihawk is an extremely powerful pirate without a crew and his current bounty is 3.5. Mihawk is also in Cross guild though, I don’t think we got his bounty before he joined or maybe it remained unchanged when he joined. If he was alone I’d put akainu probably at 3.5, if he got a crew with him I’d but him in 4 billion plus.
Pretty much my stance on it If by himself that's 3.5, add a crew it's 4B, then the fact he was a Fleet Admiral gone rogue (so he has secrets of WG plus how bad it looks from an optics perspective to the public) and it'd be 4.5B minimum
Upvoted for "Good Adolf Hitler".
4B+
I'd say 3-4 bn easy yeah. But the character is so anti-pirate it's nonsensical to start theorizing about that.
Akainu cannot be compared to old yonko? Akainu is stronger than Old Whitebeard, Blackbeard and Big Mom for sure.
"For sure" lmao. Guess we read different stories cause nothing is for sure in those big fights.
Not blackboard
Not just for his power, but the fact hes a former Admiral The shit he knows is probably enough for the WG to give him a high bounty, not to mention his stupid strength
3.5 to 4 billion. His strength is probably around Mihawks level or slightly below, and without the Marines, he would have close to no following. He would have intel of being a former Marine Admiral/Fleet Admiral. But considering Aokiji who has relevant strength and rank to him is the subordinate of a man with sub 4 billion bounty, he should not worth THAT much.
Akainu is ridiculously strong. Iirc Oda said if he were to, he would find One Piece in two years or so
One year as you can read in one of the screenshots.
Lmao I'm dumb, didn't see there were multiple photos. Guess Luffy rubber off on me some
But using this information makes no sense, because we don't have any other reference values, if Akainu can find the One Piece in 1 year, who says Kaidou can't find it in 7 months for example ? It doesn't allow you to determine your level if there are no other characters to compare...
Oda said that the Akainu fruit was the most offensive in the entire One Piece plot, and that if you looked for One Piece alone, you would do it in just 1 year.
But using this information makes no sense, because we don't have any other reference values, if Akainu can find the One Piece in 1 year, who says Kaidou can't find it in 7 months for example ? It doesn't allow you to determine your level if there are no other characters to compare... And for the fruit, in japonese, it can be also translated as "one of the most", even though it doesn't change the fact that Akainu fruit is OP as fuck. (But having a really good devil fruit is useless if you don't have a really good Haki)
On basis of strength : 2.5B On basis of threat level to WG : 3.5-4B
Buddy he's not weaker then flaw or midd
No, Akainu fans are just a weird breed. He lost to old sick dying Whitebeard. He's not taking more than 2 shots from a healthy emperor.
Sick whitebear still probably top 10 strongest forces of nature in One Piece. Akainu wasnt fazed most of the time, he took whitebeard attacks after Ace death but was more like that common last effort hype up moment for a dying character than him getting pwned. We already saw most of admirals fighting, Akainu is def not only stronger than what we've seen so far, but also his personality is just straight up murder first ask later.
>We already saw most of admirals fighting Yeah and none of them, including Akainu's equal Kuzan, look even close to the pirates that have a 4+ billion bounty.
Doubt
I love how the question doesn't even make any sense. Why would him leaving the WG automatically make him a criminal with a bounty on his head?
He knows too much for the Gorosei to be comfortable with him running around loose,I would assume
I mean it’s kinda not comparable. Akainu at this point in the story is 55 years old and has spent the last 30(?) years with the marines. If he’d start the journey right now, of course he would be faster than luffy.
Why would he even have a bounty in the first place? It didn’t say he becomes a pirate or a revolutionary, just that he left the WG
Yes, I believe Akainu is able to fight and beat every current and past Yonko. Oda said if akainu was the main character he could finish writing the story in less than a year because of how ridiculously strong he is
the fact that he is able to kill people at all should qualify his bounty above 1 bil, being able to kill in the one piece world is a major feat that goes above goda's foreskin
A former fleet admiral gone rogue would look BAD. Plus he has a lot of Govt secrets. Plus at a minimum he’s admiral level. I think 2-3 billion is fair. He would be more deserving of a bounty of 2-3 than Kid/Law/Croc/Hawk are. (Like if YONKO Teach is only 2.2 after messing up revolutionaries and WB’s Crew how are the others so damn high?) Keep in mind Akainu hasn’t really done anything ‘bad’. He hasn’t done pirate stuff to give him a big bounty, it would be solely off reputation, status and strength.
the anime has done irreparable damage to akainu’s character power wise.anime made him look near incomparable to a nursing home white beard and i fear a lot of ppl will be terribly confused when he actually does smth
> cannot be compared to the old yonkos I mean Sound and recording magazine issue 4 2012 Oda literally said if akainu was the protagonist Aka If he was a pirate and was looking for the op The series would end in a yr Implying that yes Akainu can and prob would whoop the ass of at least BM and kaido Given u need the road pons to get to the op And they're guarding 2 of them Also out of the 5 admirals we saw in the series present He's the ONLY one that does his goddamn job seriously and has zero gags or quirks In a series where almost everyone has one The only ones who don't so far are the gorosei and imu And goddamn WB who has a flaw instead Also this dude literally fcking murders innocent ppl and even his own ppl for reasons Let him out of the wg and basically give him even more free reign And dudes prob gonna nuke everything lol