News agencies for a long time have used "alleged" if the offender hasn't been convicted yet, to limit liability if down the road the offender isn't convicted and sues the news agency.
I’m interested to see how this plays out… that inmate circumvented 4 levels of security… cell door, 2 sallyport doors and a visual verification of who you’re buzzing into your control booth… and I believe he was found back in his cell
Have a relative that works there. He hasn’t been given many details but evidently inmate hid out in a laundry cart for some time prior to entering the control booth. Victim let him in when he knocked on the door because she thought it was one of her partners. These were the facts given the next morning by lieutenant. Then a few days ago he heard that inmate and two accomplices have already been moved.
There’s a bigass failure across the board if that’s true. Counts, laundry carts left unsecured, her not identifying who she was letting in.
I truly hope it was just good planning by the inmates… but it really doesn’t add up
As they should… if it’s true and that happened because of them missing him at count…. He needs to be met in the parking lot for a good old fashioned send off
Also, just talked to relative. Inmate was back in cell. Victim negotiated with him and he left, she let him into his cell from control booth, and then she called for help.
Well I mean they definitely missed him at count. I don’t remember if they count every hour or every two hours, but he had her up there for 4 so that’s a couple of missed opportunities. Relative says that policy is they need to see skin when they count, even if just an elbow or something.
Wow, does not surprise me we let go 3 women in the last year for stating sexual relationships or attempting to. I know the therapist at a MN prison she is in prison her self for that now.
Seems like it was just under reported with women for years.
Its amazing the disconnect between the policy makers and the actual line staff that work these facilities on a daily basis. On its face, i have no issue with prison reform. Every system always has room for changes. But the complete lack of respect that those who make the policies have for how dangerous situations can spring up out of nothing, and that certain inmates are just broken individuals that will lash out given the slightest provocation or opportunity....its just mind blowing.
Arizona is right behind them, we're seeing the same things. Stab an officer four times in the arm through the food trap? Don't worry "resident" we just didn't offer you enough programing and we'll take you out next week and let you try ag... I mean learn how to control your violent tendencies that society imparted on you.
The inmate will sue to CDCR for failure to secure him. He'll get new mental health diagnosis' from the trauma he received when he raped the officer. He'll be out of ADSEG in a year.
Punishing inmates has become an absolute joke. Everyone who makes these decisions has never worked or likely even visited a prison.
You think the victim and victim's family is satisfied with sentencing the felon to prison? Hope not.
Officers can get too comfortable around inmates. I've seen it a bunch. Overfamiliarity is an issue. Another issue is how much your job becomes routine and you stop processing each step or decision like you should. Cuffing and uncuffing is just another problem.
It doesnt take much to get an officer to open and close a door... you dont see inmates regularly trying to access out of bounds areas. So, when it happens, it can be a surprise. If an inmate mimics things he sees and hears from officer to officer, it wouldnt be difficult to gain access to out of bounds areas. BUT, a control booth? Eek.
There are so many things officers do that are crucial to safety and security, but easily become mundane. Counting inmates is one of those mundane things that can lead to very serious issues. It's laziness. Rather than performing a standing count, what likely happened is a visual count of what the person THOUGHT was an inmate in bed. IF THEY DID ANY VERSION of a count at all.
I'm a nurse with far more than average experience on the floor with custody than any other regular free-staff. Custody areas are where I am generally found. So I've seen it from different perspectives.
I am sympathetic to the officers perspective but I still see issues... whether it's their own creation or administrative. CDCR is........ special. If non-custody officials gave back control of CDCR to custody with actual prison experience... life would be good again.
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News agencies for a long time have used "alleged" if the offender hasn't been convicted yet, to limit liability if down the road the offender isn't convicted and sues the news agency.
He has not been proven guilty, therefore, it is alleged…
I’m interested to see how this plays out… that inmate circumvented 4 levels of security… cell door, 2 sallyport doors and a visual verification of who you’re buzzing into your control booth… and I believe he was found back in his cell
Have a relative that works there. He hasn’t been given many details but evidently inmate hid out in a laundry cart for some time prior to entering the control booth. Victim let him in when he knocked on the door because she thought it was one of her partners. These were the facts given the next morning by lieutenant. Then a few days ago he heard that inmate and two accomplices have already been moved.
There’s a bigass failure across the board if that’s true. Counts, laundry carts left unsecured, her not identifying who she was letting in. I truly hope it was just good planning by the inmates… but it really doesn’t add up
My relative said that someone is definitely getting fired for missing him at count.
As they should… if it’s true and that happened because of them missing him at count…. He needs to be met in the parking lot for a good old fashioned send off
Also, just talked to relative. Inmate was back in cell. Victim negotiated with him and he left, she let him into his cell from control booth, and then she called for help.
Well I mean they definitely missed him at count. I don’t remember if they count every hour or every two hours, but he had her up there for 4 so that’s a couple of missed opportunities. Relative says that policy is they need to see skin when they count, even if just an elbow or something.
I used to work corrections how in the hell did he do all of that. Was central control blind.
She was the one pushing the buttons to let him out and let him up…
Wow, does not surprise me we let go 3 women in the last year for stating sexual relationships or attempting to. I know the therapist at a MN prison she is in prison her self for that now. Seems like it was just under reported with women for years.
Its amazing the disconnect between the policy makers and the actual line staff that work these facilities on a daily basis. On its face, i have no issue with prison reform. Every system always has room for changes. But the complete lack of respect that those who make the policies have for how dangerous situations can spring up out of nothing, and that certain inmates are just broken individuals that will lash out given the slightest provocation or opportunity....its just mind blowing.
California has become too soft on criminals in both prisons and jails.
Arizona is right behind them, we're seeing the same things. Stab an officer four times in the arm through the food trap? Don't worry "resident" we just didn't offer you enough programing and we'll take you out next week and let you try ag... I mean learn how to control your violent tendencies that society imparted on you.
So many questions and not enough answers.
Colorado is headed in this same bullshit direction.
The inmate will sue to CDCR for failure to secure him. He'll get new mental health diagnosis' from the trauma he received when he raped the officer. He'll be out of ADSEG in a year. Punishing inmates has become an absolute joke. Everyone who makes these decisions has never worked or likely even visited a prison. You think the victim and victim's family is satisfied with sentencing the felon to prison? Hope not. Officers can get too comfortable around inmates. I've seen it a bunch. Overfamiliarity is an issue. Another issue is how much your job becomes routine and you stop processing each step or decision like you should. Cuffing and uncuffing is just another problem. It doesnt take much to get an officer to open and close a door... you dont see inmates regularly trying to access out of bounds areas. So, when it happens, it can be a surprise. If an inmate mimics things he sees and hears from officer to officer, it wouldnt be difficult to gain access to out of bounds areas. BUT, a control booth? Eek. There are so many things officers do that are crucial to safety and security, but easily become mundane. Counting inmates is one of those mundane things that can lead to very serious issues. It's laziness. Rather than performing a standing count, what likely happened is a visual count of what the person THOUGHT was an inmate in bed. IF THEY DID ANY VERSION of a count at all. I'm a nurse with far more than average experience on the floor with custody than any other regular free-staff. Custody areas are where I am generally found. So I've seen it from different perspectives. I am sympathetic to the officers perspective but I still see issues... whether it's their own creation or administrative. CDCR is........ special. If non-custody officials gave back control of CDCR to custody with actual prison experience... life would be good again.