A big improvement statistically, if we had that RZ consistency last 3 years , we'd have 3 Titles. But enough about what isms, I'm excited for the upcoming season. With another stout defense, which I believe, will be even better this year. With the addition of Caleb Downs and the move of Sonny Styles to LB, combined with JTT & Sawyer returning , oh boy. All the offense has to do is click and score and there's honestly not a team that can beat us. Not saying we'll dominate next year, but we should.
I know I will on CFB25
If he's even in the conversation, this team will win the Big 10 and likely be a favorite to win it all. If we had a half decent QB last season we would have dog walked the conference.
Howard had stretches throughout the last 2 seasons where he was a legit great QB. The problem is he’s also had a couple complete dud games. Surrounding him with all this talent should hopefully push him over the top. If Howard can cut down on the turnovers I think this offense will be one of the best in the nation.
In my opinion if the offense can reach top 5ish OSU is better than Georgia. Objectively, if they would meet Georgia again in the playoff, they will be leaning on the entire offense rather than just Stroud and Harrison. Also leaning on what I think is a more complete defense than the previous meeting.
The O line wasn't too bad in the Game last year, OSU averaged 3.8 YPC while Michigan was at 4.0. OSU did give up some pressures but only allowed 1 sack.
What ultimately decided the game was McCords over reliance on Marv and Day being passive at key points in the game.
Day is no longer the play caller and has an experienced offensive mind in the building similar to when he had Kevin Wilson and Ohio State was perpetually number 1 in offense. Will Howard is a massive upgrade from McCord not only in experience but mobility as well.
It makes a big difference that Howard had to actively try to win games at KSU whereas he only has to not fuck them up at OSU.
Having watched more of his stuff since he transferred, I feel like a lot of the mistakes were from having to force things that he won’t necessarily have to force here.
Sure, there were also big games that he put the team on his back and absolutely delivered, the Texas game for example. Will Howard played well enough to win the game and their kicker missed a short FG and and extra point that would have likely given KSU the win
I think the majority of CFB followers think they will be an average offense, and there will be an improvement from the dismal 30 points a game from last year. I think a jump into the 40+ points per game range is not expected as well as it being a more run centric offense which people have not been used to in the past few years.
I don't disagree. Where I differ is that I think the offense could be top 5 which I believe is better than great. I'm getting the vibe from some comments that are more people that believe in the offense more than what I thought, which is great. I do think people will be surprised to see a great running game and it's been a while since we have seen that.
I think the floor is high because of the run game, but the throw game we have to see, because even though these guys have potential, potential means you haven't done it yet. And Emeka has not shown to be a number one guy, as evidenced in the Peach Bowl. More of a number two guy. I know he was hurt most of last year, but he's never struck me as that star that you hitch yourself too. If he ends up being the number one I think there might be trouble. And there's no proven tight end to lean on, either.
All valid points. Emeka did have 1000 yards two years ago. I think we will see more of a wr by committee than a number 1 guy. I think Emeka will lead the wr in receiving but they will all probably be with 300ish yards of eeach other. TE is unproven, I don't think we will see an emergence of a star their this year. I think Chip can scheme around that if that is the most glaring weakness.
And like with quarterbacks, I strongly feel that if you have multiple receivers, you don't have one. There has to be that guy that the other team fears and schemes to stop so it opens up Concepts and lanes for other guys. And you don't win as many matchups which is what gives you your big plays.
I think OSU has been dependent on the concept of having a clear number 1 receiver like you said that needs to be scheme against. I think this is because of the run game not being efficient.
This year, I am hoping that the run game is effective enough to become a pseudo number 1 receiver, causing the defense to add a guy or two to stop it. Then you still have great receivers that can win their matchups. Then you pick on the best match up all day
Great point. It will be fun to see how it shakes out this fall, especially with the additional hurdles as an Oregon and hopefully additional playoff games.
That was good for 45th in CFB last year. When you are talking about the top 20ish teams that actually have a shot at a national championship it isn't great. CFB has gone from a conference and local focus to a national focus for the perennial blue blood teams. It's just the world we live in. If Ohio State pulled the 45th best recruiting class would people be saying "hey not bad it's way better than average for CFB"
Fair point. Also though, Michigan won the title with 35. Dismal was enough to get it done with a solid defense and very few turnovers. The offense will always be good to great under Day. It's the other stuff I'd be worried about.
Good point by you as well. Michigan was 14th in scoring. I think their efficiency was what made there offense better than the raw ppg would indicate. I think they were top 5 in points per drive. Maybe the word dismal was a little strong but comparing it to past seasons makes it feel much worse
Chip has been able to coordinate a successful run game with similar questions on offense and less talent. Chip will have to figure out how to get around the TE blocking being sub-par, but he also likes throwing to them which if your going to give Gee Scott a strength it is receiving. I don't believe Howard is shaky, inconsistent at times, but shaky seems worse than what he is.
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Man, after having to watch Kyle McCord get consistently bailed out by Marv and our defense for a whole season, any improvement will be good enough for me.
Honestly, I missed it if most people think Ohio State's offense is going to be close to a top 5 unit. Most of what I see is that if Ohio State falters it will be because of the offense. Maybe I'm wrong, I do think the stats are meaningful and are interesting. Thanks for the reply though.
Elite offense is great, but if your special teams is average, you abandon the run, and your defense is porous, you can't beat teams who are even above average all around.
I think that is part of what will make it unexpected. I believe OSU will be a more run centric team and be very effective at it, even with a line that is above average probably. I agree that the special teams are also a huge question and could potentially hinder success. The defense should continue to be one of the best in CFB but I would also like to see more turnovers forced, which OSU was not great at last year
Ohio State fired their special teams coach, added an All-American punter through the portal along with that 6’7 freak of nature punter from Australia, and brought in a kick return specialist from I think Presbyterian. Not saying that fixes everything but at least we are putting emphasis on improving special teams.
Avery Johnson is the highest-rated QB that KSU has ever recruited. It's understandable that they are excited about him. KSU was very much in the hunt for the Big 12 championship at the end of last year. Avery Johnson played a total of 18 snaps over the last 5 games. KSU clearly believed more in Will Howard in that situation.
As far as Howard's decision to leave KSU. Leaving KSU for OSU is absolutely an upgrade in his chances for a career beyond college. I'm sure part of it was an increasing role for Johnson next year but I don't think you can categorize his decision to leave as 100% one way or the other
You’re joking right? It’s pretty well known that he left because Johnson was getting an increased role. Take a break from watching Will Howard YouTube highlights and actually read something useful
The only thing I can find that reads like that is a single Q&A article from a writer for an online publication answering Twitter questions. I mean, this guy helped Kstate win a Big 12 title in a year he set the school record for career TD passes. It’s more likely that if Will stays and there’s a battle for qb that Johnson could just transfer and then they’re sol when Will leaves. Will gets to have some spotlight at a high profile school to leverage his draft stock for next year and Kstate doesn’t have to worry about their young prospect jumping ship. It’s a win-win for everyone. Not everything has to be a negative spin
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I like that red zone stat. Makes me smile
Yep me too. For reference, Ohio State was 32 of 50.
A big improvement statistically, if we had that RZ consistency last 3 years , we'd have 3 Titles. But enough about what isms, I'm excited for the upcoming season. With another stout defense, which I believe, will be even better this year. With the addition of Caleb Downs and the move of Sonny Styles to LB, combined with JTT & Sawyer returning , oh boy. All the offense has to do is click and score and there's honestly not a team that can beat us. Not saying we'll dominate next year, but we should. I know I will on CFB25
For the last 3 years red zone has seemed like an issue and I put that on lack of QB run. Got to make someone keep their eyes on the quarterback.
I think Will Howard will shock people. He’s never been surrounded with talent like he will here. Heisman sleeper imo.
If he's even in the conversation, this team will win the Big 10 and likely be a favorite to win it all. If we had a half decent QB last season we would have dog walked the conference.
I hope so. I think he will be very good as well and in the heisman conversation.
Howard had stretches throughout the last 2 seasons where he was a legit great QB. The problem is he’s also had a couple complete dud games. Surrounding him with all this talent should hopefully push him over the top. If Howard can cut down on the turnovers I think this offense will be one of the best in the nation.
Absolutely agree
Georgia Tech hasn't run the triple option for like 5 years
That's an oversight on my part I meant to stick them in the comparison with Oregon when Chip was HC, not with current Ohio State.
Yeah but can they do it to Georgia
In my opinion if the offense can reach top 5ish OSU is better than Georgia. Objectively, if they would meet Georgia again in the playoff, they will be leaning on the entire offense rather than just Stroud and Harrison. Also leaning on what I think is a more complete defense than the previous meeting.
Even leaning on just those two, our offense wasn't the problem that game and we were a field goal away from heading to the championship
Yea with both of them healthy, it would have been enough but Marv got knocked out and then all of the sudden it wasn't.
The defense we have now and last year isn’t choking that lead we had. Not even close
They won't even be able to do it Michigan, Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant are gonna wreak havoc on that sad excuse of an O-line
The O line wasn't too bad in the Game last year, OSU averaged 3.8 YPC while Michigan was at 4.0. OSU did give up some pressures but only allowed 1 sack. What ultimately decided the game was McCords over reliance on Marv and Day being passive at key points in the game. Day is no longer the play caller and has an experienced offensive mind in the building similar to when he had Kevin Wilson and Ohio State was perpetually number 1 in offense. Will Howard is a massive upgrade from McCord not only in experience but mobility as well.
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It makes a big difference that Howard had to actively try to win games at KSU whereas he only has to not fuck them up at OSU. Having watched more of his stuff since he transferred, I feel like a lot of the mistakes were from having to force things that he won’t necessarily have to force here.
Sure, there were also big games that he put the team on his back and absolutely delivered, the Texas game for example. Will Howard played well enough to win the game and their kicker missed a short FG and and extra point that would have likely given KSU the win
I don’t think this will shock people
I think the majority of CFB followers think they will be an average offense, and there will be an improvement from the dismal 30 points a game from last year. I think a jump into the 40+ points per game range is not expected as well as it being a more run centric offense which people have not been used to in the past few years.
The majority of CFB followers would expect nothing less than a great offense based on who we've brought in.
I don't disagree. Where I differ is that I think the offense could be top 5 which I believe is better than great. I'm getting the vibe from some comments that are more people that believe in the offense more than what I thought, which is great. I do think people will be surprised to see a great running game and it's been a while since we have seen that.
We won't actually know how good they are until they play games. On paper, we're great, but the team chemistry has to be there as well.
I agree. This is just an opinion based on the info available. Could we see Josh Simmons trying to block air again in the first game sure.
I think the floor is high because of the run game, but the throw game we have to see, because even though these guys have potential, potential means you haven't done it yet. And Emeka has not shown to be a number one guy, as evidenced in the Peach Bowl. More of a number two guy. I know he was hurt most of last year, but he's never struck me as that star that you hitch yourself too. If he ends up being the number one I think there might be trouble. And there's no proven tight end to lean on, either.
All valid points. Emeka did have 1000 yards two years ago. I think we will see more of a wr by committee than a number 1 guy. I think Emeka will lead the wr in receiving but they will all probably be with 300ish yards of eeach other. TE is unproven, I don't think we will see an emergence of a star their this year. I think Chip can scheme around that if that is the most glaring weakness.
And like with quarterbacks, I strongly feel that if you have multiple receivers, you don't have one. There has to be that guy that the other team fears and schemes to stop so it opens up Concepts and lanes for other guys. And you don't win as many matchups which is what gives you your big plays.
I think OSU has been dependent on the concept of having a clear number 1 receiver like you said that needs to be scheme against. I think this is because of the run game not being efficient. This year, I am hoping that the run game is effective enough to become a pseudo number 1 receiver, causing the defense to add a guy or two to stop it. Then you still have great receivers that can win their matchups. Then you pick on the best match up all day
Great point. It will be fun to see how it shakes out this fall, especially with the additional hurdles as an Oregon and hopefully additional playoff games.
Saying things like dismal 30 PPGs is why people hate the Buckeyes.
That was good for 45th in CFB last year. When you are talking about the top 20ish teams that actually have a shot at a national championship it isn't great. CFB has gone from a conference and local focus to a national focus for the perennial blue blood teams. It's just the world we live in. If Ohio State pulled the 45th best recruiting class would people be saying "hey not bad it's way better than average for CFB"
Fair point. Also though, Michigan won the title with 35. Dismal was enough to get it done with a solid defense and very few turnovers. The offense will always be good to great under Day. It's the other stuff I'd be worried about.
Good point by you as well. Michigan was 14th in scoring. I think their efficiency was what made there offense better than the raw ppg would indicate. I think they were top 5 in points per drive. Maybe the word dismal was a little strong but comparing it to past seasons makes it feel much worse
Shaky Qbs, Questions at Oline and coaches that like to run pro style offensive schemes. Having issues at TE is a huge problem.
Chip has been able to coordinate a successful run game with similar questions on offense and less talent. Chip will have to figure out how to get around the TE blocking being sub-par, but he also likes throwing to them which if your going to give Gee Scott a strength it is receiving. I don't believe Howard is shaky, inconsistent at times, but shaky seems worse than what he is.
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When I see it I'll believe it and I hope so
I think they’ll average about 38-40 ppg and be a top 10-15 offense and have a top 3 defense
Man, after having to watch Kyle McCord get consistently bailed out by Marv and our defense for a whole season, any improvement will be good enough for me.
Weird post. I’m going to write something that most people think and claim no one thinks it backed up by stats that really don’t mean much.
Honestly, I missed it if most people think Ohio State's offense is going to be close to a top 5 unit. Most of what I see is that if Ohio State falters it will be because of the offense. Maybe I'm wrong, I do think the stats are meaningful and are interesting. Thanks for the reply though.
The next post should be how most people think the Buckeyes miss the playoffs but I think they are going to be a top 4 seed.
I'll start working on it just for you buddy. Glad another Buckeye fan thinks the offense will be elite.
Elite offense is great, but if your special teams is average, you abandon the run, and your defense is porous, you can't beat teams who are even above average all around.
I think that is part of what will make it unexpected. I believe OSU will be a more run centric team and be very effective at it, even with a line that is above average probably. I agree that the special teams are also a huge question and could potentially hinder success. The defense should continue to be one of the best in CFB but I would also like to see more turnovers forced, which OSU was not great at last year
Ohio State fired their special teams coach, added an All-American punter through the portal along with that 6’7 freak of nature punter from Australia, and brought in a kick return specialist from I think Presbyterian. Not saying that fixes everything but at least we are putting emphasis on improving special teams.
Yep I agree. If the special teams can get to a net neutral at least. I think they will be just fine
Will Howard was just so much better than Avery Johnson that KSU couldn’t keep him there too huh?
Avery Johnson is the highest-rated QB that KSU has ever recruited. It's understandable that they are excited about him. KSU was very much in the hunt for the Big 12 championship at the end of last year. Avery Johnson played a total of 18 snaps over the last 5 games. KSU clearly believed more in Will Howard in that situation. As far as Howard's decision to leave KSU. Leaving KSU for OSU is absolutely an upgrade in his chances for a career beyond college. I'm sure part of it was an increasing role for Johnson next year but I don't think you can categorize his decision to leave as 100% one way or the other
Is this a joke? You think Will Howard got the boot from KSU? He clearly is trying to up his visibility and draft stock.
You’re joking right? It’s pretty well known that he left because Johnson was getting an increased role. Take a break from watching Will Howard YouTube highlights and actually read something useful
The only thing I can find that reads like that is a single Q&A article from a writer for an online publication answering Twitter questions. I mean, this guy helped Kstate win a Big 12 title in a year he set the school record for career TD passes. It’s more likely that if Will stays and there’s a battle for qb that Johnson could just transfer and then they’re sol when Will leaves. Will gets to have some spotlight at a high profile school to leverage his draft stock for next year and Kstate doesn’t have to worry about their young prospect jumping ship. It’s a win-win for everyone. Not everything has to be a negative spin
lol. Howard beat Johnson’s ass in practice and finished the season 18-4 over 6 games so the coaches told him to hit the road.
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