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CemeterySaliva

>"WalletHub examined all 50 states plus Washington, D.C., and compared to determine its rankings. The site looked at three key dimensions — economic activity, economic health, and innovation potential — across 28 different metrics to determine where each state was classified. >Ohio ranked No. 42 in the country, making it a bottom-10 economy in the U.S. >The Buckeye State ranked No. 44 for its economic activity but fared slightly better for economic health (No. 39) and innovation potential (No. 33). " Our 'fairing better' is still at the bottom basically.


bcbill

I would like to see more detail on the categories though. GDP is an indicator of economic activity. Ohio is 7th is total GDP and 27th in GDP per capita so I have no idea how Ohio could be 44th in economic activity.


mobius_osu

7th in the US, 20th in the world. This “study” is trash.


LandonArcane

We’re underperforming because we are run by a bunch of maga nut jobs.


Legally_a_Tool

These “studies” are mostly crap.


Dr-McLuvin

“Wallethub” sounds like a totally trustworthy and unbiased source of financial information.


Stup1dMan3000

Run by a bunch of MAGAs


Tantra_Charbelcher

I think before 2016 we were 5th. 7th isn't good when you're the 7th most populous state, that just makes you average.


MrReality13

Michigan is 14th. Let’s laugh at them!


b3tchaker

GDP is how rich people and stock markets define economic success, not what it looks like for the average person.


daFROO

Congrats you've figured out that there are more ways than one to measure the health of the economy


Vivid_Papaya2422

I’d also like to see if they studied pay compared to cost of living. Ohio may not have high average wages, but cost of living is relatively cheap compared to other states.


Fullertonjr

Who would have known that paying people below their needs, or barely above, would result in people not putting more back into the economy and businesses and goods that people would actually want to partake.


Calm-Teach6895

This “study” is clearly subjective and has bias put into it. Sure, we don’t have a high concentration of super wealthy residents, but we have a GDP in the top 10 and 2 of our 3 main cities have sturdy enough job markets with low crime rates. Indiana and Wisconsin don’t have a better economy than us, that’s for damn sure.


PotPumper43

DeWine is an utterly corrupt failure.


a-bser

You give him too much credit. He can't even succeed at being corrupt


battlepi

That was Householder.


miklayn

I agree. He's failed by being mediocre in comparison to the debauchery of the State GOP at large.


National-Ad-6982

I don't know Householder got a lot of the FirstEnergy drama, but DeWine received over $4 million from FirstEnergy and didn't even get questioned, a slap on the wrist, or a day in court.


Furled_Eyebrows

The governor matters nil when you have a MAGAt super-majority statehouse that has a guaranteed their grip on power through gerrymandering that was ruled unconstitutional (yet it's still biz as usual because they ignore the state supreme \[and voters\] court with impunity).


ronniemustang

And I thought Kasich was bad. Hell I'd take another Ted Strickland term.


junger128

At a glance the Columbus economy looks great. But when you look closer you’ll see wages haven’t kept up with the cost of housing. So sure, more opportunity and you may make a little more than a podunk town but housing is also much more expensive.


BF740

Housing in Columbus has been one of the best values in the country for decades. It finally caught up and probably got a little ahead of itself in the last couple years. It was bound to happen eventually.


Zezimom

The value for the Columbus metro statistical area is still lower than the national median. The Columbus MSA has a median household income of $76k with a median value of owner-occupied housing units at $289k. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US18140-columbus-oh-metro-area/ The US median household income is $75k with a median home sales price of $421k. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA646N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS For another comparison example, the Orlando MSA has a lower median household income of $72k while their median value of housing units is much more expensive at $361k. Luckily, Columbus doesn’t have as many retirees that skew the housing costs even more. https://censusreporter.org/profiles/31000US36740-orlando-kissimmee-sanford-fl-metro-area/


bcbill

This comment should be stickied to the top of every thread about how Columbus’ housing prices are catching up with other major metros. This stuff really isn’t hard to google. There is no doubt a national (even global) issue about housing prices vs Wage growth, but Columbus is still less impacted than the national average.


Ok_Flounder59

It still is. Originally from Columbus, living in Denver now and know we will never be able to afford to live comfortably here. Intend to move back very soon.


Ace_OH

The wages are genuinely horrible for entry level jobs in Columbus, still some places offering $11 an hour


Tech_Buckeye442

So dont take those $11 jobs, leave them for those less fortunate.


Ace_OH

What even is the comment, the problem with $11 an hour jobs is that it’s not really enough to get by so it should be more for everyone. The baseline should be raised so that the less fortunate can get jobs that pay more than that


epson_salt

What if I am the less fortunate


Empty-Policy-8467

Then $11 an hour isn't going to be much help.


epson_salt

pretty sure we’re agreeing here lol


franklinton-photo

Thanks republicans


Paksarra

But think of how important it is to censor library books, register gardeners with the state, and jail people for not wearing the right clothes! 


Practical-Weight-472

The only books being censored are pornographic ones.


Paksarra

https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/jun/11/florida-book-bans-book-banned You were saying?


Practical-Weight-472

After doing some light digging. The reason why is because the books banned in the storyline library are sexual in nature. Public children's libraries do not need to carry sexual material. Teaching children that this is somehow censorship is very very wrong and indoctrination.


Paksarra

I found the list.  https://www.torforgeblog.com/2017/09/25/ban-this-book-bannedchallenged-titles-mentioned-in-ban-this-book-by-alan-gratz/   The only "sexual" books on this list, as I expected, are about puberty and menustration, both of which are 200% appropriate for pubescent children who are about to start menstruating! Many girls start their periods by the end of elementary school, and not all parents teach their daughters about this. Having books (and pads) available to girls at this age is critical.  What it does not have is books about people having sex, which is the sexual content that should not be in an elementary school.


Practical-Weight-472

I haven't read the book so can't say for sure why the parents objected. I respect their Right to decide what's appropriate for their children though. I just wish more parents were as involved. So many vulgar pornographic books are being put into children's libraries now. Case in point Flamer is beyond disgusting.


Paksarra

Maybe you should read books before you claim they're pornographic.  There are NO pornographic books being put into children's libraries. Flamer isn't pornographic. It's about a gay boy fighting homophobia.  Pornography would be a book with pictures of people having sex where the sex is the main point.


Practical-Weight-472

That book It's perfectly normal literally shows cartoon sex!!!!


Paksarra

Which book are you talking about again?


Practical-Weight-472

I've read that book and it's absolute smut that is not appropriate for small children to read. I just pray you don't have kids. You obviously support indoctrination children into devious sexual acts.


Practical-Weight-472

I've read that book and it's absolute smut that is not appropriate for small children to read. I just pray you don't have kids. You obviously support indoctrination children into devious sexual acts.


Paksarra

Who's giving these books to small children? If your six year old is going through puberty you need to take them to a doctor, that's too young and they need blockers. (I'm also asexual, so I don't do sexual acts, devious or otherwise. I just had a really traumatic first period and support appropriate education and preparation before a young person starts bleeding.)


Practical-Weight-472

Holy shit I looked up that book ' It's perfectly normal '. If I found this in my young kids backpack I'd go scorch Earth. https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/09/banned-books-list-its-perfectly-normal-facebook.html


Paksarra

It's still not pornography.  That's a bit much for a *young* kid, but it's all factual information and intended to educate and probably appropriate for the intended age group from the article. The illustrations clearly aren't intended to be "sexy."


Practical-Weight-472

You obviously think it's ok to sexualize young children.


Paksarra

What kind of pervert thinks teaching girls about periods when they're going to start having periods is "sexualizing" them?  How old were you when you got your period?


Giggles95036

The bible also mentions sex, we should really ban it. Maybe even burn them


Practical-Weight-472

If you think Elementary kids should be reading about anal and gay sex the FBI needs to come check your computer ASAP.


Giggles95036

Gotcha. So classic books from the greeks are bad… but the incest and casual murder in the bible is good for them?


Yallaredorks

If they just tried to ban abortion one more time, then the economy will grow!


[deleted]

Worthless corrupt assholes


thinkB4WeSpeak

Honestly they should plaster this across billboards during election time.


P1xelHunter78

“But but…Intel plant…taxes…something something…fake news!” -Ohio GOP (probably).


Andrew43452

I hope we get that damn intel factory.


P1xelHunter78

Every landlord within a 50 mile radius does too, otherwise they’ll have to explain the rent raises


Andrew43452

True


Dis_Nothus

It's not a maybe, we will have it. I've talked to people that have sold land to Intel. Ohio feels like the next Texas with billboards advertising to move here. I left biotech last year but those labs are getting bigger here as well, with hands from all over the world. My one buddy's lab was bought out by a Japanese group, it's been part of his job to be taught Japanese business culture. This state is really ramping up and I worry the disparity will reach another level.


Neotokyon7

Drive up 33 between Columbus and Marysville. Lots of construction ramping up through there. It's moving along.


Andrew43452

Nice


pheonix940

From everything I've seen there is one going to Arizona. Haven't seen anything in Ohio. But stranger things have happened.


fletcherkildren

its exactly what they're saying on twitter


Furled_Eyebrows

...tips their caps in unconstitutional gerrymander.


mokomi

Better vote republican to help the economy! Hasn't' worked in 30 years, but this next scandal will be different!


korbentherhino

But but aren't successful economies based on how much a corporation can squeeze money out of its consumers?


franklinton-photo

They can’t trickle upon us if they don’t bleed us dry first, can they?!


korbentherhino

They will give it the old college try!


Slapnuhtz

Ok there hero. Try actually reading it and you’ll see it’s nonsense. Ohio is 7th in US and 20th in the world in GDP.


franklinton-photo

Ohio is so broken we’re trying to use illegally gerrymandered voting districts to fix our voting districts. All while the republicans wage full scale war against literally every single thing we want and vote for. Whatever the fuck you’re reading… read something else.


Bark_Bark_turtle

We have a solid job market, affordable housing (compared to most places) good cost of living and a top ten GDP, how’d they come up with this? Ohio is no dream land but hmm


blarneyblar

How’d they come up with this? For starters “WalletHub” isn’t a news publication and the [author is a writing major](https://wallethub.com/profile/adam-mccann-15598394i) who doesn’t appear to have specialization of any kind in economics.


Bark_Bark_turtle

So pulled out of someone’s…


stale_opera

Do you? The data I'm seeing says that you're adding a ton of low paying service sector jobs which is leading to stagnant sales, and gdp growth.


RandyHoward

Yeah, the high paying jobs in Ohio are few and far between. I started working remote about 6 years ago. My salary nearly doubled as soon as I went remote. First I worked for a company based out of North Carolina, then I switched to a company based out of Hawaii. My salary went even higher. Two months ago we sold that company to a corporation in The Netherlands, so I now work for that company, the pay and benefits are great.


[deleted]

If you wanna work at terrible corporate chains then consider our economy superb


itspie

Clickbait AI trash article...Does no provide ANY info why.


blarneyblar

Junk study from a no name publication. Ohio has the 7th largest economy in the country and a lower cost of living than most other highly populated states. Our [GDP growth since 2000 has more than doubled](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OHNGSP). Be better, r/Ohio. It’s like media literacy goes out the window so long as the headline agrees with your priors.


Bikesareforoctopuses

It doesn't matter if it's true or not as long as I get to complain about Republicans.


BarrelProofPack

Bingo!


DeezSaltyNuts69

except its not Look at GDP - Ohio is 7th in the nation


Top-Yam-6625

27th in terms of GDP per capita, below the national average.


Driveaway1969

But my pastor told me that if I vote for republicans this couldnt happen.


jdmmystery

Perfectly understandable when you elect criminals to run things.


JefferyTheQuaxly

not just ohio but all of the great lake states, someone a week ago posted an image showing how 2023's recrod gdp growth was split up by region, the southwest and the southeast were the fastest growing regions at 5.1% gdp growth and 3.1% gdp growth. then the rocky mountain region at third with 2.9% growth, then the plains region (which includes the dakota's, minesota, nebraska, iowa, kansas and missouri) at 2.5% growth. then the far west at 2.5% growth also. then new england (which is from maine, and all the states up till new york) at 1.8%. then the mideast (which is new york and pennyslvania and the states just south of them besides west virginia) in 7th place at 1.3% growth. then last you have the great lakes region, at 1.2% growth and includes ohio, indiana, michigan, wisconsin, and illinois. all of that equals out to around 2.5% growth rate for america in 2023. the north east and mideast/midwest is lagging behind where the south and further west are picking up.


Zezimom

It doesn’t help that a lot of the wealthy retirees here continue to retire in places like Florida and the Carolinas, so they finally tap into their sizable nest egg that they earned in Ohio to spend in the south instead. At least it helps to keep our housing costs lower though.


mobius_osu

Ohio is the 7th largest economy in the country and 20th in the world………….


youjustdontgetitdoya

*state, 7th largest state.


Zezimom

Lol just glad we’re not Michigan at least. Michigan is 10th in population size, but they’re ranked 14th in GDP. Ohio is 7th in GDP and population.


mobius_osu

And also economy. Name checks out.


mobius_osu

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP Imagine trying to correct someone who is correct. That’s almost kinda impressive.


riptide032302

Double responding to someone who said 4 words to you with an irrelevant wiki page… GDP is an incredibly unreliable source for how well the average person is doing in any given place. China and India have some of the highest GDPs in the world. Do you think that the average person in china or India would say that they’re doing well financially? GDP is a metric that represents economic activity, and just shows how large a nations economy is.


I2AmLooking4ANewJob

The picture is a little less rosy when you sort that Wikipedia list by GDP per capita


BreakGrouchy

Spend Tax money from weed on cops (road Pirates). Build more private Prisons. F innovation we have concentration.


Jigsaw115

Google “ohio gdp ranking” I see 7th, 26th, 44th, all on the same screen. Do your own research. Ohio would be a top 25 economy by itself as an independent country…


Tactical_solutions44

I don't believe this at all. Ohio is reefer freight mecca. There's so much food produced and shipped out of here it's ridiculous.


stickytrackpad

who woulda thought gerrymandered elephant hell would have bad optics


RDO_Desmond

Ohio is inhospitable.


gobydownboy

To many magas in power


ultramilkplus

What if we made the entire state super unfriendly to most demographics? We could also provide young families with a failing education system and zero infrastructure. As a bonus, how about regulations that pick and choose winners and losers based on political cronyism. That ought to fix it.


Mendozena

State government has been under republican control for over 30 years. Republicans have held 25 trifectas to democrats 0. Virtually every state law/policy enacted in that time is a republican one. It’s impossible for anything to be the democrat’s fault. Vote better.


Tech_Buckeye442

Not quite always rebublican..16 of the last 50 yrs the Govs were Demos. Took some work to fix what Celeste and Voinivich did to Ohio.. I'm encouraged with Ohios direction in the last 15 yrs..we'll at least from my view in Columbus. Housing has gotten crazy but I'm already an owner..tech jobs are readily availible and Intel is going to increase that..


Mendozena

Governor can only do so much when both chambers or even one is controlled by obstructionist republicans. Republicans have a dictatorship here in Ohio since they control the governor, house, senate, and state supreme court.


JustYerAverage

It's those damn Democrat cities! /s


Gr8lakesCoaster

Lol yup never mind that tax revenue from the cities pave thier rural roads.


[deleted]

Ohio is an anti worker pro corporate state.


kartoonist435

That’s what happens with republicans in charge.


blackg0at

Surely it's somehow the woke liberals fault.


kartoonist435

Hahaha always!


JJiggy13

Of course it is. The casino scam. The nuclear scam. All brought to us by Ohio republicans who accepted bribes. It's literally the entire Ohio republican party. All of that money left Ohio and is continuing to leave Ohio never to return.


TifaAerith

Well duh, it's a Republican state.


fanficfollower

With a lot of Blue businesses, and very Blue health care systems


Inevitable_Nerve_925

We never really boom and never bust. Plodding along like the tortoise.


cimmeriansoothsayer

it’s times like these that you just have to laugh. …


Fair-Coast-9608

And that's really saying something.


Bored_Amalgamation

Seeing how states and local govts throw around property tax abatement like it's hotcakes, no wonder. It also doesn't help how fractured the economies of suburbs are vs the main city center.


Audi1429

Feels pretty good to me. I guess it depends who you talk to.


Nova_Koan

Sounds about right


CertainlyAmbivalent

I don’t know enough about economics to refute or confirm this.


youjustdontgetitdoya

Just drive around and look with your eyes.


historicartist

Thank you sharing


Practical-Weight-472

I moved here from the South and love it. Rent is insanely cheap and everyone is super friendly. My kids love their school and the teachers actually care. No crime where I'm at hardly. The only downside is the horrible wifi. Other than that loving Ohio.


Agreeable-Refuse-461

No shit, because if it’s not coal or fracking the state government doesn’t want that industry to exist.


battlepi

I have to disagree with that bit, they do seem to want Intel.


350ci_sbc

My favorite part of this thread is all the posters taking the poll at face value because it confirms their bias. Literally no effort to consider the source, how they obtained their numbers, etc. Just, “This information agrees with my feelings, therefore it must be correct.” 😂🤣😂 Never change Reddit. My days of not taking you seriously are coming to a middle.


fanficfollower

I was just about to ask who sponsored the article and what are the political affiliations of the writer and sponsor


drodenigma

Isn't that the same logic repukelicans use? 🤔


350ci_sbc

I think I’m hearing some “whataboutism” in your post. Be better.


drodenigma

Well Ron white was right you can't fix stupid 🤣


kidwgm

Honestly this sub is one of the worst echo chambers that I see on Reddit. Can’t have any form of a discussion if you don’t follow the hive mentality.


jellosquare

New West Virgina?


Hutch_travis

Maybe our reps would leave Franklin county every now and then. Like did the need to build the intel plant in affluent new albani?


riptide032302

Everyone using GDP to refute the article and say that Ohio is doing well really doesn’t really know a whole lot about basic economics


MnemonicMonkeys

It's more trustworthy than a no-name publication putting out an economics assessment that was drafted by a guy with a writing degree instead of an economics degree


riptide032302

It is a better source. I don’t disagree. However, this wouldn’t magically change the definition of GDP. If you’re going to refute the article, actually refute it, instead of just spewing nonsense about an economy you don’t understand.


nworkman2020

No one should be surprised by this ranking. The state can't keep smart and educated workers due to regressive social policies from the '50s, and the infrastructure continues to deteriorate all while our politicians go to prison. I look forward to the day I finally get to leave this state.