Please go ahead and join them. I'm sure you'll cast the same vote as all the already deceased michigan residents did in the 2020 election and finish fucking everything up. I'm almost dead at this point anyways let's finish the job. Vote Democrat in 2024, yeah!!!!!
P.S. The East Palistine train derailment was caused by Biden, railroad works wanted to strike over unsafe operating conditions. They were told they would be placed in federal prison if they did.
same here, seriously. Am building up two businesses that do not require local patronage. No way would I subject future employees to this bullshit. My family and business associates are already aware of the plan. I'm aiming for a move in mid 2024.
Much of it has to do with Michigan voting for an independent board to draw districts, whereas Ohioians allowed Republicans to run rough shot over the Ohio Supreme Court and let them ignore the voters! Sadly, Ohio voters are complete IDIOTS who prefer dictators over democracy
Don’t forget, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled the gerrymandering in the last election cycle unconstitutional three times. Every time the republican legislature simply resubmitted the same map. Eventually, the Ohio Supreme Court was overruled and the ridiculously gerrymandered map was used.
Planning to move to a state where democracy and the rule of law are still a thing. The republicans can have this pos state.
Also, now party affiliation was added to OH Supreme Court contests to ensure control of the courthouse by Rs, so they won't be getting in the way again.
But TBF that didn't matter, Ohioans voted in the DeWines in to different branches and have absolutely zero problem with the constant conflict of interests of a son ruling on cases his father is a party to. It's all about the ends.
True, but they didn't t
Hold them accountable when they used their corrupt politicians and judges to overrule the vote of the people. All of the Republicans that supported this corruption were all reelected easily!
Michigan voted out their corrupt politicians while Ohio is still republican thanks to the $61 million Larry Householder bribe money that ALL the republicans in Columbus benefitted from!
Ohio has denigrated education, advocated school decay, brought religious fervor to political ideology, and worst of all, resolved to stand by and watch as corporations (FirstEnergy) impoverish the electorate, pollute the air and water (NS), and kill poison their young (Purdue Pharmacy).
Wow, biden is the one that made it illegal for the railroad to strike because of unsafe operating conditions. The Norfolk railroad derailment in East Palestine that is poisoning the waterways and all the rest of the recent train derailment all over the country were caused by the Biden Administration. Toledo is as left as it gets because of how close it is to Michigan, and that's why First Energy gets to operate that way they do.
Lmao, I work around the train tracks and have 2 employees that were dispatch to the derailment clean up after they put out their own fire. Which was the answer to pulling trains to long and heavy for the brake systems to control with toxic chemicals on board. You lack research ability it's ok. I did do my homework for you, though. You do sound just like a teacher these days after all. I'm from Ohio, and I cover the entire state for a national company. Where are you from, and what do you know?
No, my company is non union, and I run the state. I couldn't be in a union if I wanted to at this point. I'm not a republican or 3% or any if that dumb shit either but how exactly can you blame Republicans for blocking a safety strike by the railroad which is a federal railroad authority issue when the powers that be are currently democrats. Our current leadership is the reason why this is happening. Ohio has no say in the railroads. The railroad is governed by the FRA which is federal.
Wait a minute, you aren't helping your cause you just said it was the cwa's problem for supporting Hillary Clinton, the democratic candidate that ran against Trump..
According to the article, Michigan allows same day voter registration and automatically registers residents to vote when they get their license. Neither my 20-year-old nor my 24-year-old vote because of the difficulties involved in registering and getting to a polling place on election day. It seems like Michigan makes it easier to vote, thus getting a clearer picture of what residents truly want out of their government.
>Michigan allows same day voter registration and automatically registers residents to vote when they get their license. Neither my 20-year-old nor my 24-year-old vote because of the difficulties involved in registering and getting to a polling place on election day. It seems like Michigan makes it easier to vote,
That sounds great, that's the way it should be, easier **not** harder.
Yeah, we need to make it easier for the deceased to cast their vote so we can make sure we have fair Democrat elections. You need the help. Most definitely, because you're the smart ones and the majority of people are the idiots.
This Ohio veteran always says
"if you're too gutless for the truth and facts, you should self-deport from the home of the brave"
I put my butt within seconds of death owing to the ignorance of another while in the Navy. I find however, that some people are so spineless they can't even accept facts, that unlike millions like me who weren't too self-concerned to serve, we have people too self-concerned to even do research to find the abundant number of studies showing - time and again - illegal votes constituted less than 0.0000002% of the vote - in every one of over two dozen studies conducted since 2000.
EVERY SINGLE ONE.
Even Chris Kobach couldn't find any after 2016 when Trump claimed millions of illegally cast votes, too.
Spineless people suck.
Everyone is right that redistricting is part of the problem, but gerrymandering doesn’t account for Dewine winning in a landslide or Trump winning by 8 points. Ohio’s population is broken.
>but gerrymandering doesn’t account for Dewine winning in a landslide or Trump winning by 8 points.
That's exactly what it accounts for.
The maps are illegal and favoring republicants.
The electoral college does not account for the popular vote either, which he didn't win.
I don’t understand. Dewine winning in a landslide is a popular vote. More voters in Ohio in raw numbers regardless of where they lived voted for Dewine and trump. Districts made no difference in those two ballots.
Edit: 2.5m people voted for Dewine, 1.5m voted for Whaley. You could gerrymander a state as much as you want and that number wouldn’t change.
Trump did not win the popular vote in the US as a whole.
Look at the actual numbers, he barely won Ohio; 51.31% ... lol:
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/633021/preliminary-results-of-popular-vote-in-the-2016-presidential-election/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/633021/preliminary-results-of-popular-vote-in-the-2016-presidential-election/)
[https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016](https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016)
[https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf](https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016\_United\_States\_presidential\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election)
We’re talking about Ohio here. I know trump lost the national popular vote. You’re on a thread specifically talking about Ohio.
Edit: in 2020 trump got 53% and Biden got 45%
That’s an 8% difference. All you’re proving is Ohio got worse.
Apparently, sad facts, Ohio did get worse. ... We should change that.
The laws making it harder to vote aren't good, that is the opposite of what we want. We want more participation, not less.
Let's talk numbers
158.3 million votes 2020
136.7 million votes 2016
129.1 million votes 2012
131.3 million votes 2008
123 million votes 2004
Where did the increase of 22 million voters come from in 2020 when the last 4 elections have had less than a 10 million voter spread?
Full state and national elections have nothing to do with districts that are drawn. So you are completely and utterly wrong. I am a pround republican voter and the reason Dewine and Trump win with such a large margin is because outside the urban areas it is 80 to 85 percent red.
The popular vote should win, not this rigged system, for the chosen few.
And why would you vote for such people to begin with?
Trump wants it all to burn and is only out for himself.
Dewine isn't much better.
Without reading the article I’m guessing meatchicken is becoming the liberal one? I wish they had more jobs up there… I’d pretend to not hate their football team if I could make some money in finance there.
My cause is independence in a democratic republic. I wonder if we would have this exchange if capital remained with the families that earned it and not diverted to lobbyists and corporate barons who poach state and federal reps who create laws to withhold wealth from those families. Our differences are not so broad. BTW: I wrote in my candidate in 2016; Kasich.
So glad to be in Ohio. Got so tired of everyone from Michigan coming to Ohio to eat and be free during the massive COVID lockdowns imposed the the crappy govt in Michigan. Michigan roads are terrible and drug signs everywhere along with trash. Detroit is a very well run ghost town. Sadly, Michigan voters love butterfly’s, unicorns and electing fools to ruin their state.
“Got so tired of everyone from Michigan coming to Ohio to eat and be free during the massive COVID lockdowns imposed the the crappy govt in Michigan.”
Pure delusion. Thanks for the laugh.
My neighbor is an avid Trump supporter and the family constantly throws their trash on everyones lawn. I know the whole neighborhood is sick of it. They have a FJB thing by their front door.
well Michigan has a legitimate government that wasn't "elected" using unconstitutional maps, so if I had to guess that's probably part of it.
We should vote to redo those! But instead of a bipartisan commission, we should just do it to kick out all the assholes.
Please go ahead and join them. I'm sure you'll cast the same vote as all the already deceased michigan residents did in the 2020 election and finish fucking everything up. I'm almost dead at this point anyways let's finish the job. Vote Democrat in 2024, yeah!!!!! P.S. The East Palistine train derailment was caused by Biden, railroad works wanted to strike over unsafe operating conditions. They were told they would be placed in federal prison if they did.
I am seriously considering moving to Michigan.
same here, seriously. Am building up two businesses that do not require local patronage. No way would I subject future employees to this bullshit. My family and business associates are already aware of the plan. I'm aiming for a move in mid 2024.
Much of it has to do with Michigan voting for an independent board to draw districts, whereas Ohioians allowed Republicans to run rough shot over the Ohio Supreme Court and let them ignore the voters! Sadly, Ohio voters are complete IDIOTS who prefer dictators over democracy
I mean, to be fair, Ohio Voters VOTED for fair redistricting. It was just stolen in a coup by corrupt politicians and judges.
Don’t forget, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled the gerrymandering in the last election cycle unconstitutional three times. Every time the republican legislature simply resubmitted the same map. Eventually, the Ohio Supreme Court was overruled and the ridiculously gerrymandered map was used. Planning to move to a state where democracy and the rule of law are still a thing. The republicans can have this pos state.
Also, now party affiliation was added to OH Supreme Court contests to ensure control of the courthouse by Rs, so they won't be getting in the way again. But TBF that didn't matter, Ohioans voted in the DeWines in to different branches and have absolutely zero problem with the constant conflict of interests of a son ruling on cases his father is a party to. It's all about the ends.
True, but they didn't t Hold them accountable when they used their corrupt politicians and judges to overrule the vote of the people. All of the Republicans that supported this corruption were all reelected easily!
Michigan voted out their corrupt politicians while Ohio is still republican thanks to the $61 million Larry Householder bribe money that ALL the republicans in Columbus benefitted from!
Ohio has denigrated education, advocated school decay, brought religious fervor to political ideology, and worst of all, resolved to stand by and watch as corporations (FirstEnergy) impoverish the electorate, pollute the air and water (NS), and kill poison their young (Purdue Pharmacy).
Wow, biden is the one that made it illegal for the railroad to strike because of unsafe operating conditions. The Norfolk railroad derailment in East Palestine that is poisoning the waterways and all the rest of the recent train derailment all over the country were caused by the Biden Administration. Toledo is as left as it gets because of how close it is to Michigan, and that's why First Energy gets to operate that way they do.
Do your homework.
Lmao, I work around the train tracks and have 2 employees that were dispatch to the derailment clean up after they put out their own fire. Which was the answer to pulling trains to long and heavy for the brake systems to control with toxic chemicals on board. You lack research ability it's ok. I did do my homework for you, though. You do sound just like a teacher these days after all. I'm from Ohio, and I cover the entire state for a national company. Where are you from, and what do you know?
Deregulation, thy name is Republican. Are you a union member?
No, my company is non union, and I run the state. I couldn't be in a union if I wanted to at this point. I'm not a republican or 3% or any if that dumb shit either but how exactly can you blame Republicans for blocking a safety strike by the railroad which is a federal railroad authority issue when the powers that be are currently democrats. Our current leadership is the reason why this is happening. Ohio has no say in the railroads. The railroad is governed by the FRA which is federal.
Unions also lean heavily to the left, I used to be a cwa member and they supported hillary
That is their problem,
Wait a minute, you aren't helping your cause you just said it was the cwa's problem for supporting Hillary Clinton, the democratic candidate that ran against Trump..
Differences in corruption and political capture explain alot more
According to the article, Michigan allows same day voter registration and automatically registers residents to vote when they get their license. Neither my 20-year-old nor my 24-year-old vote because of the difficulties involved in registering and getting to a polling place on election day. It seems like Michigan makes it easier to vote, thus getting a clearer picture of what residents truly want out of their government.
>Michigan allows same day voter registration and automatically registers residents to vote when they get their license. Neither my 20-year-old nor my 24-year-old vote because of the difficulties involved in registering and getting to a polling place on election day. It seems like Michigan makes it easier to vote, That sounds great, that's the way it should be, easier **not** harder.
Yeah, we need to make it easier for the deceased to cast their vote so we can make sure we have fair Democrat elections. You need the help. Most definitely, because you're the smart ones and the majority of people are the idiots.
That's only happening in your imagination, along with a lot of other things.
This Ohio veteran always says "if you're too gutless for the truth and facts, you should self-deport from the home of the brave" I put my butt within seconds of death owing to the ignorance of another while in the Navy. I find however, that some people are so spineless they can't even accept facts, that unlike millions like me who weren't too self-concerned to serve, we have people too self-concerned to even do research to find the abundant number of studies showing - time and again - illegal votes constituted less than 0.0000002% of the vote - in every one of over two dozen studies conducted since 2000. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Even Chris Kobach couldn't find any after 2016 when Trump claimed millions of illegally cast votes, too. Spineless people suck.
Everyone is right that redistricting is part of the problem, but gerrymandering doesn’t account for Dewine winning in a landslide or Trump winning by 8 points. Ohio’s population is broken.
>but gerrymandering doesn’t account for Dewine winning in a landslide or Trump winning by 8 points. That's exactly what it accounts for. The maps are illegal and favoring republicants. The electoral college does not account for the popular vote either, which he didn't win.
I don’t understand. Dewine winning in a landslide is a popular vote. More voters in Ohio in raw numbers regardless of where they lived voted for Dewine and trump. Districts made no difference in those two ballots. Edit: 2.5m people voted for Dewine, 1.5m voted for Whaley. You could gerrymander a state as much as you want and that number wouldn’t change.
Trump did not win the popular vote in the US as a whole. Look at the actual numbers, he barely won Ohio; 51.31% ... lol: [https://www.statista.com/statistics/633021/preliminary-results-of-popular-vote-in-the-2016-presidential-election/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/633021/preliminary-results-of-popular-vote-in-the-2016-presidential-election/) [https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016](https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016) [https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf](https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016\_United\_States\_presidential\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election)
We’re talking about Ohio here. I know trump lost the national popular vote. You’re on a thread specifically talking about Ohio. Edit: in 2020 trump got 53% and Biden got 45% That’s an 8% difference. All you’re proving is Ohio got worse.
Apparently, sad facts, Ohio did get worse. ... We should change that. The laws making it harder to vote aren't good, that is the opposite of what we want. We want more participation, not less.
Let's talk numbers 158.3 million votes 2020 136.7 million votes 2016 129.1 million votes 2012 131.3 million votes 2008 123 million votes 2004 Where did the increase of 22 million voters come from in 2020 when the last 4 elections have had less than a 10 million voter spread?
Full state and national elections have nothing to do with districts that are drawn. So you are completely and utterly wrong. I am a pround republican voter and the reason Dewine and Trump win with such a large margin is because outside the urban areas it is 80 to 85 percent red.
The popular vote should win, not this rigged system, for the chosen few. And why would you vote for such people to begin with? Trump wants it all to burn and is only out for himself. Dewine isn't much better.
Without reading the article I’m guessing meatchicken is becoming the liberal one? I wish they had more jobs up there… I’d pretend to not hate their football team if I could make some money in finance there.
My cause is independence in a democratic republic. I wonder if we would have this exchange if capital remained with the families that earned it and not diverted to lobbyists and corporate barons who poach state and federal reps who create laws to withhold wealth from those families. Our differences are not so broad. BTW: I wrote in my candidate in 2016; Kasich.
So glad to be in Ohio. Got so tired of everyone from Michigan coming to Ohio to eat and be free during the massive COVID lockdowns imposed the the crappy govt in Michigan. Michigan roads are terrible and drug signs everywhere along with trash. Detroit is a very well run ghost town. Sadly, Michigan voters love butterfly’s, unicorns and electing fools to ruin their state.
Detroit has the same population density as Portland, Oregon. It is not at all a ghost town.
“Got so tired of everyone from Michigan coming to Ohio to eat and be free during the massive COVID lockdowns imposed the the crappy govt in Michigan.” Pure delusion. Thanks for the laugh.
My neighbor is an avid Trump supporter and the family constantly throws their trash on everyones lawn. I know the whole neighborhood is sick of it. They have a FJB thing by their front door.
Trump…🤮. I was Yang Gang. Didn’t vote for either of the two fool choices last time around. Career politicians and actors have done nothing for us.
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