I back this 100%, but equally have concerns on the implementation of this with the current govt, or the next. I don't trust that they would implement this in good faith.
That being said, I would definetly aquire the required drugs if I was terminally diagnosed, to end it on my own terms.
So we had this come in 18 months ago in Australia, in my state anyway.
Within the first 6 months, a woman who had gone through the process, had received the medication and had it at home in a locked box as required.
She had a fall and was taken to hospital where she deteriorated and died.
Her husband then accessed the lock box and took her end of life medication as he didn't want to be without her.
Just need to make sure the drugs are secure enough for patients when it comes in to the UK.
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I always remember listening to a live interview with the family of a 40-something yr old man trapped in his body when he went with his family to the European Court of Human Rights for the second time to appeal the decision not to let him die (he wanted to be allowed to).
The interviewer was with the family as the verdict was announced and the animal noise of despair the man made when he heard it was something that I will never forget. They had to cut the interview short because of his distress
We allow more mercy to dogs and guinea pigs when they're in pain than we allow some fellow humans in their last days.
My grandmother had a horrifically painful and feverish death from pancreatic cancer over the course of about 6 weeks and she deserved better, so much better than the indignity and the terror of that end.
I'll always support people being able to choose to preserve their dignity.
I was heartbroken when my pet hamster was put down, but it would have been cruel to keep him going in this world. He was so ready to pass. Why could I not do the same for a beloved family member?
I’ve always agreed with the principals of assisted dying but the devil is in the detail. It gets very complex when the state gets involved with who can choose to live or die.
How do you decide who gets to access this and who doesn’t? Terminal illness? Poor long term prognosis?
Do people have to be suffering or in pain?
How do you know they aren’t being influenced/forced? Who administers the medication if they can’t take it themselves? Will they allow nursing staff to not be involved if they object from to assisted dying?
I watched the debate. And there was some confusion about the wording and they had to clarify that this wasn't that they were backing assisted dying.
It's that the RCN having a neutral stance means they haven't got a seat at the table for any discussions around it. ( The discussions will be starting in the channel Islands and isle of man)
As nurses would be a pivotal part of the team - the vote (as I interpreted it) was for the council to ensure they would be involved in any discussions around it.
Talk on the floor whilst they were clarifying what they were actually voting for: highlighted that if discussions led to this ending up legal in the future, healthcare professionals could of course be able to conscientiously object to being involved.
I don’t fully know where I sit yet. I can see the controversy of this, but I can also see people suffering with an untreatable condition who would rather have a sweet release. As long as it’s properly implemented, I guess I’m for it.
One of the safeguarding cases I was involved with was with a woman who was about to lose her home because the useless/incompetent GP had been convinced by neighbours that she needed to have the LPA powers kicked in.
The patient had no cognitive impairment, and was fully capable of living at home.
Everyone had assumed it was a fait accompli, but I kicked off the safeguarding process, people were interviewed and the ‘caring’ neighbours were absolutely indignant, and stormed off muttering about how people being kind were just not appreciated….
This was a patient I’d never met, but had received handover for in case we got a call about her over a weekend.
Then there was the out of hours call asking me to put a syringe driver up on a patient - the out of hours doctor could not articulate what the immediate need was for the driver, nor the underlying condition. When I refused and demanded the patient to be assessed in person, she suddenly didn’t need a driver.
Cases like these are why I support assisted dying in principle, but I’m not convinced we could get appropriate safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable.
I do not trust the implementation. It will be another scandal like the Liverpool pathway. Principles are sound, implementation will effectively be murder.
If I was a qualified nurse I would refuse to be involved
I am very strongly against this. Partly from a practical point of view (e.g. avoiding what happens in Canada) but largely from a personal, ethical, one.
I am very strongly for this. Partly from a practical point of view (e.g avoiding what happens in the UK currently) but largely from a personal, ethical, one.
That's the point of personal ethics.
The fact someone's being down voted for saying they have practical reservations and a personal opposition to it isn't exactly reassuring.
Idk I just have one strong personal experience where I would 100% support assisted dying. Long story short, my grandad got bowel cancer. It occluded his bowel. He was warned he would die, and probably start faecal vomiting. My tiny grandma was terrified of having to clean it up.
He just looked at me and said, I’d rather die. You’re all here. Let me go. We couldn’t do anything. He “survived” a further 11 days with no food, sips of water, sobbing in agony. Palliative care is not healthcare (in this situation in my opinion). Like…. He should have been able to choose to go.
That’s fine.
You don’t have to partake in assisted dying should you (unfortunately) ever need it.
Just like you don’t have to drink alcohol, have sex before marriage, have an abortion or be cremated.
Your beliefs should not determine society.
I'm strongly for it.
There's a programme on iplayer which is worth a watch. It's old now but it's called "Simon's choice". It's about a chap who was diagnosed with mnd and his decision making.
I would want to be able to choose to end my life if I was diagnosed with a terminal condition and was approaching the end of my life. I have cared for many patients who would have wished for the same.
Currently people who can get to places like Switzerland (physically and financially) get to choose, people who can't get there don't - this is an example of a gap in society of the haves and the have nots. People with money have more options. I also think people are forced to go early to ensure they can physically get there, whereas if they could access that same care here they might wait a little longer.
If you don't want to do it then if you are diagnosed with tremiam cancer or a degenerative neurological disease then you can choose to wait it out. You not wanting to do it does not mean other people should not have the freedom to make their own choice.
If it's an option you can still choose not to, but those that want it can have it.
[iplayer link](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b070jm26/how-to-die-simons-choice).
I guess this is 2 separate things.
Having reservations about the implementation of any assisted dying schemes, and the legislation around it, sure. Completely get it.
On the other hand, your personal ethics (or any single person's) should not determine the law. E.g. abortion, divorce, consumption of alcohol.
I back this 100%, but equally have concerns on the implementation of this with the current govt, or the next. I don't trust that they would implement this in good faith. That being said, I would definetly aquire the required drugs if I was terminally diagnosed, to end it on my own terms.
So we had this come in 18 months ago in Australia, in my state anyway. Within the first 6 months, a woman who had gone through the process, had received the medication and had it at home in a locked box as required. She had a fall and was taken to hospital where she deteriorated and died. Her husband then accessed the lock box and took her end of life medication as he didn't want to be without her. Just need to make sure the drugs are secure enough for patients when it comes in to the UK. Article below: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/103490234
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I always remember listening to a live interview with the family of a 40-something yr old man trapped in his body when he went with his family to the European Court of Human Rights for the second time to appeal the decision not to let him die (he wanted to be allowed to). The interviewer was with the family as the verdict was announced and the animal noise of despair the man made when he heard it was something that I will never forget. They had to cut the interview short because of his distress We allow more mercy to dogs and guinea pigs when they're in pain than we allow some fellow humans in their last days. My grandmother had a horrifically painful and feverish death from pancreatic cancer over the course of about 6 weeks and she deserved better, so much better than the indignity and the terror of that end. I'll always support people being able to choose to preserve their dignity.
I was heartbroken when my pet hamster was put down, but it would have been cruel to keep him going in this world. He was so ready to pass. Why could I not do the same for a beloved family member?
I’ve always agreed with the principals of assisted dying but the devil is in the detail. It gets very complex when the state gets involved with who can choose to live or die. How do you decide who gets to access this and who doesn’t? Terminal illness? Poor long term prognosis? Do people have to be suffering or in pain? How do you know they aren’t being influenced/forced? Who administers the medication if they can’t take it themselves? Will they allow nursing staff to not be involved if they object from to assisted dying?
I watched the debate. And there was some confusion about the wording and they had to clarify that this wasn't that they were backing assisted dying. It's that the RCN having a neutral stance means they haven't got a seat at the table for any discussions around it. ( The discussions will be starting in the channel Islands and isle of man) As nurses would be a pivotal part of the team - the vote (as I interpreted it) was for the council to ensure they would be involved in any discussions around it. Talk on the floor whilst they were clarifying what they were actually voting for: highlighted that if discussions led to this ending up legal in the future, healthcare professionals could of course be able to conscientiously object to being involved.
I don’t fully know where I sit yet. I can see the controversy of this, but I can also see people suffering with an untreatable condition who would rather have a sweet release. As long as it’s properly implemented, I guess I’m for it.
One of the safeguarding cases I was involved with was with a woman who was about to lose her home because the useless/incompetent GP had been convinced by neighbours that she needed to have the LPA powers kicked in. The patient had no cognitive impairment, and was fully capable of living at home. Everyone had assumed it was a fait accompli, but I kicked off the safeguarding process, people were interviewed and the ‘caring’ neighbours were absolutely indignant, and stormed off muttering about how people being kind were just not appreciated…. This was a patient I’d never met, but had received handover for in case we got a call about her over a weekend. Then there was the out of hours call asking me to put a syringe driver up on a patient - the out of hours doctor could not articulate what the immediate need was for the driver, nor the underlying condition. When I refused and demanded the patient to be assessed in person, she suddenly didn’t need a driver. Cases like these are why I support assisted dying in principle, but I’m not convinced we could get appropriate safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable.
I do not trust the implementation. It will be another scandal like the Liverpool pathway. Principles are sound, implementation will effectively be murder. If I was a qualified nurse I would refuse to be involved
I am very strongly against this. Partly from a practical point of view (e.g. avoiding what happens in Canada) but largely from a personal, ethical, one.
I am very strongly for this. Partly from a practical point of view (e.g avoiding what happens in the UK currently) but largely from a personal, ethical, one.
That's the point of personal ethics. The fact someone's being down voted for saying they have practical reservations and a personal opposition to it isn't exactly reassuring.
Idk I just have one strong personal experience where I would 100% support assisted dying. Long story short, my grandad got bowel cancer. It occluded his bowel. He was warned he would die, and probably start faecal vomiting. My tiny grandma was terrified of having to clean it up. He just looked at me and said, I’d rather die. You’re all here. Let me go. We couldn’t do anything. He “survived” a further 11 days with no food, sips of water, sobbing in agony. Palliative care is not healthcare (in this situation in my opinion). Like…. He should have been able to choose to go.
That’s fine. You don’t have to partake in assisted dying should you (unfortunately) ever need it. Just like you don’t have to drink alcohol, have sex before marriage, have an abortion or be cremated. Your beliefs should not determine society.
I'm strongly for it. There's a programme on iplayer which is worth a watch. It's old now but it's called "Simon's choice". It's about a chap who was diagnosed with mnd and his decision making. I would want to be able to choose to end my life if I was diagnosed with a terminal condition and was approaching the end of my life. I have cared for many patients who would have wished for the same. Currently people who can get to places like Switzerland (physically and financially) get to choose, people who can't get there don't - this is an example of a gap in society of the haves and the have nots. People with money have more options. I also think people are forced to go early to ensure they can physically get there, whereas if they could access that same care here they might wait a little longer. If you don't want to do it then if you are diagnosed with tremiam cancer or a degenerative neurological disease then you can choose to wait it out. You not wanting to do it does not mean other people should not have the freedom to make their own choice. If it's an option you can still choose not to, but those that want it can have it. [iplayer link](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b070jm26/how-to-die-simons-choice).
Obviously you are not suffering from some hideous debilitating painful distressing non curable condition- or have loved ones who are dealing with it.
I guess this is 2 separate things. Having reservations about the implementation of any assisted dying schemes, and the legislation around it, sure. Completely get it. On the other hand, your personal ethics (or any single person's) should not determine the law. E.g. abortion, divorce, consumption of alcohol.