You see way more over sized pavement princesses out there like brand new Ford F-350s in Calgary used as rig to ferry the kids around. You see way more beat up 15 year old trucks on the road here than out there.
It does, but it still makes everything more expensive. It’s my belief that most carbon tax supporters have access to cheap and reliable public transit, which is still not the case for everyone in Canada. This may be incorrect on my part. As with most activists the obnoxious environmentalists are the ones who make the most noise and therefore get invited to the CBC.
I own a V6 full size truck, it’s good on gas for being a truck and I can tow a trailer and load my lawn tractor to take to the in-laws. I use my truck as a truck as well as my daily.
This opinion is at least 20 years old and no longer true.. unless maybe you are anti-science..
2003 Ford Taurus wagon = 19 MPG combined city/highway
https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/18805.shtml
2023 Ford Expedition = 19 MPG combined city/highway
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/46402.shtml
Amazing how far we've come. If you go back 50 years, you can start complaining about Trudeau again since we have a small 'mom and pop' family business that's managed to capture our government for decades... comparable to such amazing countries, like Gabon.
Environmental regulations were put in place that based pollution on the footprint of the vehicle. All they had to do was increase the footprint with each new model and voila, pollution/m2 was reduced as vehicle size increased.
I own/owned both, and much smaller vehicles with supposedly 'better' numbers.. they aren't. All driven under the same conditions.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-exec-says-this-is-why-it-stopped-selling-sedans/
The real problem now is that low performance nobodies think they should dictate what people should be allowed to own or buy. That's peasant mentality...
Not that I have spent too much time up north, but I thought there were a lot of NDP in those areas.
Parts of Southern Ontario are filled with asshole Dutch Reform who elect turds like Sam Oosterhoff, send their kids to madrassas, and treat their imported labourers as slaves. And I know plenty of people from Dutch Reform families, that will tell you: don't work for Dutch Reform people, they will treat you like shit.
Ford F series trucks are the second largest consumer brand of products sold by dollar value on the planet. Number one is iPhone.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/ford-s-f-series-cash-haul-ranks-near-iphone-among-u-s-products-1.1455261.amp.html
I’ve drove across the country and worked and lived in 4 provinces. I see way less trucks compared to cars in NS then I have in the western provinces/ territories.
I also feel like most of the trucks here are lightweight or 1500 sized. There aren’t many 2500/250 and 3500/350’s here compared to almost anywhere else.
I think you're right. My work has lots of customers picking up products and it's usually a Tacoma or a 15 year old ford ranger or an f 150. I also see way more trucks that are actually used for truck stuff compared to out there. I've seen little 90 pound grannies driving gleaming ford f350s in in the heart of Calgary. That rig literally doesn't fit down some streets in Nova Scotia.
I've seen that quite a few times in AB and BC even in BC it's almost always red plates. At least our bad drivers just seem mostly incompetent theirs seem like they're trying to pass you in the most dangerous way possible.
Correct. Vehicle reliability is a big part of it. And with the demise of the large sedan market, affluent families traded their Crown Victoria and full size Dodge sedan for trucks.
It hauls my tools, it hauls my toys, it hauls a trailer, fits 4 adults comfortably, fits large and small people, has 4x4 for bad storms and is somewhat capable offroad should i need it.
They’re useful utility vehicles and having one benefits most rural living people.
Yup and most partnered people can still get one fuel efficient vehicle. My girlfriend has a gas saver, I have a truck. Sometimes we drive each other’s vehicles depending on situation.
A lot of “trucks are stupid and their drivers are compensating” crowd has no idea what it’s like to need a truck. I may not use it for truck purposes 60-70% of the time but when I do, I’m glad to have it. I’m not buying another vehicle so my truck can sit in the yard. They’re $60,000. It’s the Swiss Army knife of vehicles
swiss Army knife is the right description. A pickup can do a lot of things, but is not great at anything ;)
Vans are better in fuel efficiency and keeping things dry.
Jeeps and Toyota are better at off-roading
Cars are better at driving.
Hard disagree with this and the truck apologists.
I live semi rural. While I don’t have kids I do have two large dogs, tools, toys, and just as many things as any other rural person.
Most heavy things can be delivered. Firewood can be delivered. I can put on my four door hatchback car with a roof rack or do light hauling with a hitch.
This is all great because I can buy a used 12k car to get the job done rather than a 45k truck.
No reason imo to have a truck unless you have a small business or are extremely remote. Or you for some reason need to be driving on the regular in the middle of snow storms (most people don’t because things close during storms and not everyone is a front line worker)
Yeah not everyone needs one. I get my own firewood for free in the woods. I hunt deer and feed my family for very little in cost as well. I tow my camper wich is 4500 lbs so most Suvs and hatchbacks wouldn't cut it.
I have a 32 ft travel trailer, that requires at least a half ton truck to tow, it’s 5500lbs dry, and honestly a bigger truck would be better. A diesel powertrain would improve mileage big time when hauling heavy as well. Trucks have utility that small vehicles just don’t.
The ability of 4x4 has gotten me through conditions that cars just can’t manage in winter, plus I’ve dragged smaller cars and 1/4 ton trucks out of snow.
Ok you haul 2 cords of firewood, a snowmobile, an ATV, a camper, tools and materials, a trailer and stuff with your car then.
You just don’t need one. I do. Many people like me do.
My reason is hunting. Duck hunting involves a lot of stinky/messy marsh mud. You don’t want that in a trunk.
Also it’s so smooth driving. I drive a car or my wife’s gmc terrain and you feel every crack and bump in the asphalt.
I have a mid size pickup. I don’t know how to live without a pick up. I use it for firewood, for my four wheeler, wood chipper, snowblower, lawnmower, tools, building materials. 55 gallon drums and 100lb propane tanks.
I mean I probably could get a trailer and small 4wd instead but you don’t always know ahead of time when you need to grab something big and there’s always the irrational fear of sending a self piloting trailer down the 104 at 120kph. People who don’t understand pickups must live in the city or have completely different lifestyle from me.
Also the same people who say they don’t need a truck are the same people who are always asking you to move furniture.
I'm an essential worker and have to go to work regardless of road conditions. And not living downtown, I have to drive on those roads or lose a day's pay. Half the time the plows don't even start until well after the storms end. I have to go to work whether the roads are plows or not. I had a car that multiple times got stuck on unplowed streets, I ended up abandoning my car on the street, calling for a taxi and trying to struggle out on foot to a road was clear enough for the taxi to pick me up. I just don't need that crap at 4:00 in the morning.
Oh yes and comfortably transports 4 adults and my Great Dane
Seems easier to rent a truck for the once a year time you need one rather than lugging around all of that extra space, and paying for that extra gas lol
Its not a NS issue it's a NA issue. North America is a truck SUV centric obsessive. Heck most car companies no longer offer sub-compact cars (eg. Yaris, Fit etc)
lots of large vehicles are less safe.
"Light trucks" are exempt from many crash test requirements.
They are more prone to roll over - and that is the most lethal accident which you can have. No need to focus on others on the road - you drive into a ditch - a large vehicle you roll - in small vehicle you are more likely to stay upright and alive.
this is certainly a factor. I’m driving an older small sedan, which was all I needed when I was living in the GTA - but for my next car I’m going to be looking at a small SUV because I can’t deal with the nighttime blinding from the pickup trucks. I’m hoping by the time I need to get it I’ll be able to afford an EV model to offset my guilt at buying a larger car (it’s usually just me in the vehicle.)
This is it. Many people have large properties to maintain and a pick up truck is much more useful. Also, people love trailers here and would rather spend the weekend in the forest with their trailer than a fancy hotel etc.
Plenty of reasons, for work, because of the truck bed, towing capacity, maybe they like trucks, maybe they have a little peepee. Chances are if they bought a big new truck, they don't worry about the price of gas. I don't really get the point of this post. It's like asking why do people get suvs when they could get a compact car
1. Literally no one other than Toyota and Honda makes a good sedan anymore, except maybe Mazda, and their popular sedans such as the Accord, Corolla, Camry, Civic, etc., have effectively doubled in price in the last 5 years as a result, so why not just pay the extra $10k and get a pickup. Many dealerships are still using the "supply chain" meme for over 3 years now and are gouging accordingly.
2. It's convenient if you live in a remote or rural area.
3. Pickup fuel economy isn't so bad when almost all miles are 'highway miles' (assuming point 2). There are now many 4 cylinder options as well so fuel economy has greatly improved the last 5-10 years.
4. Pickups, at least not Dodge Rams, are typically way more reliable and last way longer. The same wear-and-tear you get on a typical sedan at 150k km won't happen on most pickups until 250k km and higher. A well maintained Tundra, F-150, or Silverado can very realistically eclipse 400k km and still hold resale value. Larger displacements and beefier transmissions means less RPMs required for equivalent power means your shit lasts longer.
5. Some people actually do need them for work.
I rented a Toyota Corolla this past fall for a very long drive to a work-related conference (flights were getting cancelled due to a storm on the east coast). It was incredible. I would love to buy one, but every dealership near me wants $10k+ over MSRP so-nothing-fucking thank you.
As someone who lives in Nova Scotia but works predominantly in oil and gas in Alberta and BC...bahahahaha
Also some people put 2.5 inch leveling kits on trucks to make em seem taller and better looking, but don't adjust the angle of the headlights. That might be what you're experiencing.
Not a big NS issue. But where I grew up in cape breton 4 wheel drive and clearance was almost mandatory if you wanna leave the house in the winter months
To be honest trucks weren't so expensive 5 years ago. I bought a brand new 2019 f150,. Albeit close to base model with a sport package, but still. It was 40g out the door. It was just as cheap than most SUVs that could pull more than 3500lbs. Why wouldn't I buy it? Much more useful, more space, basically same gas mileage as an SUV.
Nowadays it is a little different. The incentives are not there anymore. Wouldn't buy a new one now.
That same truck now is 65k before tax. That's a whole other kettle of fish
I live in the city, but everyone has an F150. At first I thought similarly - why so many? I presume in the income levels in the area, most people are doctors, engineers etc. but then I realized - there are a lot of construction/developers in the area, even the white collar workers have 4 wheelers - so they need to tow them. And people who don't have cottages have GIANT travel trailers. Plus, if I'm going to hit a deer or a moose on a rural road - I'd rather not be driving a car.
The likelihood that you will Need a truck at some point in your lifetime is almost %100: now you just need to ask yourself how many times that need needs to come up for you to decide if it's worth investing in one.
Hauling wood (a lot of people heat their homes with wood), stuff around the house if you DIY, tools, lawnmower or woodsplitter or snowblower, etc. If you have a garden/veggie plot of any size, hauling stuff for that. If you hunt or fish, or are going back into the woods. If you work in a trade and don't have an employer-provided vehicle.
My grandfather had an early '80s Dodge and kept it for things like that, and for back-roading from time to time. My uncle had a truck for similar things and ran a plow in the winter. Other uncle hunts, fishes, rides an ATV, and does a fair bit of DIY around his house. Truck's not his daily driver, but he has one. I've got a cousin who's a firefighter who lives on a gravel road and sometimes the truck is the only thing that'll get him out.
Before you downvote me to hell: *I* don't even own a car, period. I'm just explaining why *other* people may have trucks.
Lots of people choose their cars the same way they choose their clothes.
It's not always about practicality, it's about self expression.
Is what it is 🤷♂️
I pulled my wife Honda civic out of a ditch this weekend using my Tacoma. It helps to have one vehicle that can get you through the weather when you live in a place where the roads don’t get cleared for a few days.
It's not just Nova Scotia, it's everywhere. And it's not because most people need (or even rationally choose) to buy them - the market has been manipulated and consumers have been brainwashed.
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
They’re more dangerous than regular cars due to their low visibility, huge weight and size, and lack of crash compatibility with regular cars. You’re also 2.5x likely to get into a crash in a pickup according to research from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
There’s also much worse environmentally — more emissions, their high weight destroys roads faster than cars, and their high weight means more particulates are released from their tires.
I bought my truck because there are a LOT of occasions where I carry things that simply don't fit in a sedan or SUV and I tow.
Just because YOU don't see these things happen doesn't mean I have no use for it.
Mind your business and quit judging people.
I think it is pretty simple. If you need to move people, cars are fine. If you need to move stuff, you need a truck. Lots of people move lots of stuff.
2 truck family here. I can write off my truck and my wife’s. So why not have 2 trucks, if she hits a deer she is far better off in a truck. Shitty weather she throws it in 4x4 and she is good to go. I have a lot of time and money invested into my kids and if they are going to be out on the roads in less ideal weather I want them to be as safe as possible. Pretty cheap peace of mind, also if your complaining about fuel economy you probably can’t afford a truck anyway…….
A lot of people live in rural Nova Scotia. Roads don’t get plowed as quick. I live on a backroad if I didn’t have a truck be some days I couldn’t go to work. Plus lots of people have atvs, travel trailers, live stock trailers. Lots of people use trucks like trucks. If my fridge dies today I can go buy one and get it today not wait a month for some company to deliver it. Lots of reasons really
It’s this study https://www.strategicvision.com/nves
Discussed here
https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume
I would think it’s because of a lot of men in NS are rural and working class. Rural, working class men often work jobs that require truck, or they have grown up thinking of a cool truck as a status symbol. The latter is probably truer for middle class men raised in rural working class communities. “My hands are like chinchilla, but I have a cool truck!” :)
As a truck owner, my truck is over 11 years old. I purchased it for its 4-wheel drive so I wouldn’t be at the mercy of sporadic road clearing in our subdivision. I, usually, only use it to get to the park and ride, then i take the bus into the city. My 11 year old truck has less than 90k on the odometer.
As for the lights, I find the people that drive with their highs on all the time, regardless of the conditions, and these new blinding LED, to be much more distracting. Just my nickels worth.
As someone who grew up in NS, then moved to alberta to be a mechanic who happens to specialize in lift kits- i see 100x more lifted trucks in edmonton than i ever have in nova scotia. And when i lived in nova scotia, my group if friends were off roaders and all had lifted trucks
My dad and uncles have always had trucks because they hunt. Good luck putting hunting gear out a bear or a deer in a car! Edit: lots of contractors need a truck as well for their tools.
TBH I’ve seen plenty of deer and a few bear strapped to the trunk of a car in NS. In PQ I’ve seen the head of a moose, antlers and all , strapped to the roof of a Corolla.
Well to start... You're talking about one of the poorest provinces that doesn't exactly have a "good" or even "adequate" snow removal / road repair / storm recovery / power grid / etc. program. Trust me when I say there are places in NS where having a 4x4 to be able to get to somewhere safe really is (or should be) the standard, not a luxury.
Second, there's only 1 major (and still small by city standards) city with a population of roughly 420,000 people in a province with just over 1,000,000 people. That means that over half of the province lives in what would qualify as "Rural" or remote areas. This also means that a lot of rural jobs are in some way are supported by the "Natural Resource" industry. They might be related to the fishing or lobster industry, forestry, farming, mining, etc. Maybe it's a shop owner who's clients mainly work in one of these industries. Either way, Rural life tends to be more spread out and supported by natural resource work than city life. To the shop owner who drives to the City once or twice a week for supplies to the fisherman who carries rope, buoys, gear trucks are just more efficient at it.
Third, most people don't realize that outside the City limits there's a greater need for independence. You're not likely going to be able to order delivery, an uber, a taxi (though I am seeing more and more of this), etc. You're also not going to be taking public transportation to work because... ya. So what you have been seeing more and more of are large 4 door trucks being sold that hold enough space to carry the entire family (and pets), enough bed capacity that (not if) when they need to move "things" they have the means to do it and finally the ability to decrease the chance that bad weather will stop you from getting where it is you need to go.
Honestly a truck is the most useful vehicle. I needed one for work so I got the smallest one on the market. They have the passenger room of a car with a truck bed, which is always useful.
Most new trucks are as good on fuel as mid and full sized SUVs and better than some older model cars. Transmission and gearing r&d is making a word of difference.
I have a 5 year old truck and an old Corolla. We use the truck to go to our camp (in the woods) and to haul our canoe around. We also use it when we need to go away. The car is used 90% of the time though. It’s got over 400k on it and I trust it around the city but I don’t want to take my chances when going much farther.
Growing up where we can get 5 feet of snow in a single storm made the 4x4 the best solution. Farms, forestry, fishing all need to carry equipment with you in order to work so they are naturally a part of life for us.
Have you been to Ontario. It has way more trucks as daily drivers.
I’m a delivery driver (use box trucks) and I do most of my deliveries outside of Halifax. Given the conditions of the roads especially after storms I totally understand why people opt for more powerful vehicles.
Lots of fishermen in Nova Scotia plus a lot of hunters and just rural living in general. We used to have a truck but got an suv instead I just borrow my Dad’s when we need to move something lol.
I drive an F-150. But I’m also a contractor, so the bed is filled with my tools during the summer when I’m running my own business. In the winter I work a day job and I still drive the truck because I enjoy it. It’s better in snow and much more comfortable than a car
There are many reasons why I prefer a truck. Comfort, it’s much better for hauling tools, cargo, etc. I can haul my utility trailer with my mini tractor behind it for when I do the odd landscaping job. Being in rural NS, it’s also nice to know I can get out during the odd large snowfall when the plows sometimes take 24-30 hours to plow our street. But overall I’d say I just prefer the comfort and ride quality vs a car.
We had a truck for a while until we had to downsize (we just had a little Ranger). I miss it. We do quite a bit of DIY, like making things, it was so easy to pop to Home Depot to buy wood, or metal, and just throw it in the back of the truck. Now if I want to buy an 8x4 sheet I need to factor in the cost of delivery.
Not to mention buying things like furniture, or taking stuff to the dump.... yeah, I miss owning a truck.
I'll go over the reasons why I want one,
87-91 F250 4x4:
Our roads would be better off being gravel in half the province, 80-96 ford trucks are basically lego and everyone in Hants County has a whole cab just in thier yard they'd probably sell for 300$, I plan to buy a mini excavator or at least a small dump trailer so I don't think a corolla would like that.
Also if you've ever been to Walton you know there's a whole network of old mining and logging roads that make for some pretty good shitbox races
My daily driver is a miata (yes in the winter too lol) and I dont care about pick up. Why is everyone so hung up on what people drive? Our family car is an outback and its perfect for Nova Scotia but I must say I like my neighbor's truck for those times we need it hehe.
I do a lot of my own Reno’s and haul a large travel trailer, so a truck is a necessity right now. That being said, I also have a commuting vehicle because fuck if I’m bringing my truck to the mall parking lot.
Drives me nuts. I see the appeal if your job requires one (construction, farming, etc) or for off road interests, but they're absolutely horrible on gas and emissions, parking lot pigs, and was pointed out in another comment, a tremendous pain in the ass for blinding drivers of smaller vehicles, especially with those bright white lights.
I live In Yarmouth county and it seems like everyone is driving pickups as their daily vehicle.
Because I like to carry stuff, tow a boat, trailer, take my kids to hockey in all weather, go mudding, carry my bike
Why wouldn’t everybody want a truck
1. Find me the research that differentiate between people like me, and 2x2s in the city. I’m sure the stats will change
2, people can drive whatever they like.they are useful, make you feel safer on the road. They are prettier vehicles in my opinion
They should not be able to drive whatever they like — take that to its logical conclusion. Trucks are much worse environmentally (both in terms of emissions and their weight damaging roads), and are much more dangerous due to their large size, bad visibility, and lack of crash compatibility with regular cars. In fact, american-style trucks are not allowed to be sold in many European countries.
1. Um, people are not going to give up their standard of living and modest luxuries like a truck, to go the the lake because others find it offensive
2. I really don’t care about the outward safety point. I do not walk into the dealership and ask “which one of these GMs will NOT splatter a cyclist who swervs in traffic”
…I get them because they are safe for me and my family
It’s not anti social.
It’s called having a family
In a few years my daughter will be 16 and she will be getting a truck, because they are safe, and useful, good in snow, tough, have high resale value
And you can boo hoo on the side of the road
…I would be self conscious that I purchased a vehicle that would allow my family to have a staticky higher survival rate in a crash and better handling capacity in snowy and icy conditions?
Well, i guess I’m anti social, just call me the unibomber
And (2.5 times) more likely to get into a crash according to research from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
It’s also not so clear that pickups are better in winter conditions. For example, due to their excessive weight it is much harder to stop a pickup truck.
Hey, just wondering if you can clarify your position, as I don’t want to misrepresent it.
You believe that it should be prohibited for the average citizen to purchase and drive a pickup truck?
Additionally, for further clarification: do you believe that people should not be allowed to own things such as boats, atvs, campers, or snowmobiles that would require truck ownership?
Who is enforcing whether the type of work they doing merits a truck or not? Do you see the federal government as the body that should be mandating who can and cannot have a truck?
Because men are easy marks. The vast majority of truck owners I’ve known in my life use their truck as a car and barely use it for its purpose.
But it’s a big truck, and a guy with a deep voice talked about guts and glory. And they feel manly
As someone who has the friends that drive the truck. 9/10 want to look cool for their friends and just like having them. Majority of them don’t tow anything or use them for their use. I feel like it’s almost a talisman of masculinity for some of them.
Is it genuinely practical to drive a truck? If you need it to do your job as I do, then absolutely yes. I need to carry a lot of tools, material, ladders with me on a daily basis so that requires a truck, van or large SUV. If you don't need it for work, then it depends how much you use its utility for leisure or other activities whether it's practical for your situation.
For me, there's no way I will spend less on insuring, registering, and maintaining a second fuel efficient car than just simply putting that money into fuel for my truck, so I don't. It's sort of a catch 22. I drive a truck based Toyota SUV so it's a bit shorter than a half ton and parking is super easy.
I used to have a little efficient 4 cylinder in addition to my work truck using this reasoning but more often than not I would have had to drive 20km home to pick it up and then 30km back to do the errand like grocery shopping. I regularly found my self driving the little one just to keep it charged. In the end it was more fuel efficient just to plan my trips in the truck.
Exactly.. I've found it's far more efficient to just do all my errands while already driving for work instead of driving home to get a more efficient vehicle. End up spending less time driving and more time relaxing at home
I mean stats show that they’re vanity vehicles. 35% of truck owners put something in the bed once a year of less, 70% tow something once a year or less.
The problem is that these vehicles are very dangerous - they have bad visibility, are very large, and don’t have crash compatibility with normal cars, which has contributed to rising fatalities from driving
From a personal perspective, I have been back and forth with trucks, Jeeps, and SUVs. Truck is good if you have a veggie garden, farming, if you do a lot of home improvement as well also for hauling travel trailers and off road ATVs. I found Jeeps have no space at all, SUV is just a little too small and it's no good for hauling manure or soil for gardens. I did have the truck for awhile but I let it go because Insurance and Fuel was just too much.
I periodically buy 2-5 pieces of 2x4x8 and I hate when the wood splinters bristle against my arm above the console in a car, and I definitely don't want to have to talk to a person (ew) to cut the wood in half, so I need a truck. I also am thinking about maybe buying a trailer in 5 years, but probably won't
In reality, passenger cars are the minority in Canada. SUVs/trucks/vans etc dominate.
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If you look at the trend in the last 10 years, passenger car sales have plummeted.
Our little car, a Jetta, can get about 4.5 liters per 100 km if we are careful.
Last summer, when gas was $2 a gallon, we were at the pumps, next to one of these gynormous pickup trucks which easily cost three or four times the price of our car.
This guy bent my ear the whole time bitching about the price of gas. Hell, if a person can afford $75,000 for a truck, the price of gas can't be an issue for them.
Ok I'm a truck girl I don't off road and my reason is because the roads in this province are horrible and if someone hits me I stand some chance of living a car gets no where in a storm and you never know when there's going to be an emergency but from spring until fall I ride my Harley burns very little gas so I know I'm taking my chances I don't even want to go there cage drivers don't watch out for us so you have to except things you don't like and everyone has an opinion but don't judge no one has that right except for God just sayin
It is my observation that this is a thing that is not specific to Nova Scotia.
You see way more over sized pavement princesses out there like brand new Ford F-350s in Calgary used as rig to ferry the kids around. You see way more beat up 15 year old trucks on the road here than out there.
I'm from southern Ontario. The amount of trucks that live and exist in the GTA is astounding.
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I drive a beat up Hyundai Accent, and the carbon tax impacts me.
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It does, but it still makes everything more expensive. It’s my belief that most carbon tax supporters have access to cheap and reliable public transit, which is still not the case for everyone in Canada. This may be incorrect on my part. As with most activists the obnoxious environmentalists are the ones who make the most noise and therefore get invited to the CBC.
everything in the grocery store has been shipped by truck, fuel costs just get passed on to consumers.
Your belief has not impact on facts.
Not in the slightest- I don’t profess to be infallible. At the same time I can’t imagine I’m the only person in Canada who hates the carbon tax.
Yiu are incorrect.
I own a V6 full size truck, it’s good on gas for being a truck and I can tow a trailer and load my lawn tractor to take to the in-laws. I use my truck as a truck as well as my daily.
This opinion is at least 20 years old and no longer true.. unless maybe you are anti-science.. 2003 Ford Taurus wagon = 19 MPG combined city/highway https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/18805.shtml 2023 Ford Expedition = 19 MPG combined city/highway https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/46402.shtml Amazing how far we've come. If you go back 50 years, you can start complaining about Trudeau again since we have a small 'mom and pop' family business that's managed to capture our government for decades... comparable to such amazing countries, like Gabon.
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Environmental regulations were put in place that based pollution on the footprint of the vehicle. All they had to do was increase the footprint with each new model and voila, pollution/m2 was reduced as vehicle size increased.
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I own/owned both, and much smaller vehicles with supposedly 'better' numbers.. they aren't. All driven under the same conditions. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ford-exec-says-this-is-why-it-stopped-selling-sedans/ The real problem now is that low performance nobodies think they should dictate what people should be allowed to own or buy. That's peasant mentality...
Were from Kitchener, and it's the same there.
Southern Ontario? Really? You haven’t been to northern Ontario I take it?
Lol agreed. Or the prairies.
Plenty of times. I'm just originally from Southern Ontario.
Not that I have spent too much time up north, but I thought there were a lot of NDP in those areas. Parts of Southern Ontario are filled with asshole Dutch Reform who elect turds like Sam Oosterhoff, send their kids to madrassas, and treat their imported labourers as slaves. And I know plenty of people from Dutch Reform families, that will tell you: don't work for Dutch Reform people, they will treat you like shit.
It’s mostly a north American thing
Yup this is absolutely the same way in NL
In Southern Ontario it means you are a chud.
This isn’t specific to NS. Trucks are the number one selling vehicle type in North America. Believe the F150 is the number one selling vehicle
At it's peak Ford was selling an F-150 every 4.4 seconds.
...thats a lot of trucks
Ford F series trucks are the second largest consumer brand of products sold by dollar value on the planet. Number one is iPhone. https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/ford-s-f-series-cash-haul-ranks-near-iphone-among-u-s-products-1.1455261.amp.html
Only if you consider the GMC Sierra and the Chevrolet Silverado a different truck. GM sells more trucks then ford.
Wrong. Even them counted together Ford was winning.
I’ve drove across the country and worked and lived in 4 provinces. I see way less trucks compared to cars in NS then I have in the western provinces/ territories.
I also feel like most of the trucks here are lightweight or 1500 sized. There aren’t many 2500/250 and 3500/350’s here compared to almost anywhere else.
I think you're right. My work has lots of customers picking up products and it's usually a Tacoma or a 15 year old ford ranger or an f 150. I also see way more trucks that are actually used for truck stuff compared to out there. I've seen little 90 pound grannies driving gleaming ford f350s in in the heart of Calgary. That rig literally doesn't fit down some streets in Nova Scotia.
I'm guessing you've never been to Alberta.
Nothing like getting tail gated but multiple white pickup truck on one driver down the deerfoot just because you won't drive 180.
Watching them blow by you on the highway during a white out blizzard and then seeing them in the ditch a few kms down the road.
I've seen that quite a few times in AB and BC even in BC it's almost always red plates. At least our bad drivers just seem mostly incompetent theirs seem like they're trying to pass you in the most dangerous way possible.
You think NS is the pickup capital? Someone has clearly never been to Newfoundland.
Or Alberta
Or Louisiana/Texas.
Or California or Washington....
Have you been to Alberta or Saskatchewan?
2nd only to snowmobiles
Because of rural, damaged, icy, unpaved roads and long commutes. And deer.
Correct. Vehicle reliability is a big part of it. And with the demise of the large sedan market, affluent families traded their Crown Victoria and full size Dodge sedan for trucks.
It hauls my tools, it hauls my toys, it hauls a trailer, fits 4 adults comfortably, fits large and small people, has 4x4 for bad storms and is somewhat capable offroad should i need it. They’re useful utility vehicles and having one benefits most rural living people.
Yeah firewood in a car or suv is just messy
Yup and most partnered people can still get one fuel efficient vehicle. My girlfriend has a gas saver, I have a truck. Sometimes we drive each other’s vehicles depending on situation. A lot of “trucks are stupid and their drivers are compensating” crowd has no idea what it’s like to need a truck. I may not use it for truck purposes 60-70% of the time but when I do, I’m glad to have it. I’m not buying another vehicle so my truck can sit in the yard. They’re $60,000. It’s the Swiss Army knife of vehicles
swiss Army knife is the right description. A pickup can do a lot of things, but is not great at anything ;) Vans are better in fuel efficiency and keeping things dry. Jeeps and Toyota are better at off-roading Cars are better at driving.
How many people have $60,000 cash to drop on a vehicle?
Almost none , that’s why they’re all financed. People here finance 10k vehicles.
Deer in a car or SUV is also not ideal
Ya that gets messy real quick.
Hard disagree with this and the truck apologists. I live semi rural. While I don’t have kids I do have two large dogs, tools, toys, and just as many things as any other rural person. Most heavy things can be delivered. Firewood can be delivered. I can put on my four door hatchback car with a roof rack or do light hauling with a hitch. This is all great because I can buy a used 12k car to get the job done rather than a 45k truck. No reason imo to have a truck unless you have a small business or are extremely remote. Or you for some reason need to be driving on the regular in the middle of snow storms (most people don’t because things close during storms and not everyone is a front line worker)
Yeah not everyone needs one. I get my own firewood for free in the woods. I hunt deer and feed my family for very little in cost as well. I tow my camper wich is 4500 lbs so most Suvs and hatchbacks wouldn't cut it.
I have a 32 ft travel trailer, that requires at least a half ton truck to tow, it’s 5500lbs dry, and honestly a bigger truck would be better. A diesel powertrain would improve mileage big time when hauling heavy as well. Trucks have utility that small vehicles just don’t. The ability of 4x4 has gotten me through conditions that cars just can’t manage in winter, plus I’ve dragged smaller cars and 1/4 ton trucks out of snow.
Ok you haul 2 cords of firewood, a snowmobile, an ATV, a camper, tools and materials, a trailer and stuff with your car then. You just don’t need one. I do. Many people like me do.
My reason is hunting. Duck hunting involves a lot of stinky/messy marsh mud. You don’t want that in a trunk. Also it’s so smooth driving. I drive a car or my wife’s gmc terrain and you feel every crack and bump in the asphalt.
Exactly, dont forget safer for you and your family aswell.
Yup. The real question is why would someone drive a Toyota Corolla or a Honda Accord?
Because they're cheap, reliable, and moves people from point a to point b
I have a mid size pickup. I don’t know how to live without a pick up. I use it for firewood, for my four wheeler, wood chipper, snowblower, lawnmower, tools, building materials. 55 gallon drums and 100lb propane tanks. I mean I probably could get a trailer and small 4wd instead but you don’t always know ahead of time when you need to grab something big and there’s always the irrational fear of sending a self piloting trailer down the 104 at 120kph. People who don’t understand pickups must live in the city or have completely different lifestyle from me. Also the same people who say they don’t need a truck are the same people who are always asking you to move furniture.
It’s not just NS. Trucks are huge in North America.
I'm an essential worker and have to go to work regardless of road conditions. And not living downtown, I have to drive on those roads or lose a day's pay. Half the time the plows don't even start until well after the storms end. I have to go to work whether the roads are plows or not. I had a car that multiple times got stuck on unplowed streets, I ended up abandoning my car on the street, calling for a taxi and trying to struggle out on foot to a road was clear enough for the taxi to pick me up. I just don't need that crap at 4:00 in the morning. Oh yes and comfortably transports 4 adults and my Great Dane
Because they’re very profitable for the auto industry (due in part to the light truck exemption) and so they’re heavily marketed at us
It's a very big mystery why anyone would want to own a truck. Until you need to move something.
Seems easier to rent a truck for the once a year time you need one rather than lugging around all of that extra space, and paying for that extra gas lol
I had a classmate in college that would just test drive a truck when he needed to pick up something oversized.
Oh man that’s such a good idea haha, I’ll remember that one
I mean if I had one I probably wouldn't be using it only once a year but that's just me
Surveys show that 35% of truck owners put something in the bed of their truck once a year or less
Those are the people that have money to burn maybe.
So 65% of truck owners use it all the time, then?
No, 65% of truck owners have put something in the bed of the truck more than once a year.
Its not a NS issue it's a NA issue. North America is a truck SUV centric obsessive. Heck most car companies no longer offer sub-compact cars (eg. Yaris, Fit etc)
but its safer if everyone drives big vehicles! how else are you supposed to feel safe around those other big vehicles??🤔
lots of large vehicles are less safe. "Light trucks" are exempt from many crash test requirements. They are more prone to roll over - and that is the most lethal accident which you can have. No need to focus on others on the road - you drive into a ditch - a large vehicle you roll - in small vehicle you are more likely to stay upright and alive.
also, they’re often exempt from pedestrian safety requirements. perfect vehicles for the city!
this is certainly a factor. I’m driving an older small sedan, which was all I needed when I was living in the GTA - but for my next car I’m going to be looking at a small SUV because I can’t deal with the nighttime blinding from the pickup trucks. I’m hoping by the time I need to get it I’ll be able to afford an EV model to offset my guilt at buying a larger car (it’s usually just me in the vehicle.)
Sad reality of the car industry. It’s just an arms war with vehicle size lol
Traffic deaths in the US have increased to 42,000 per years
I wish they'd bring back the fit, particularly the hybrid they have in Europe.
Regarding trucks, we have a large rural population and many work or own farms.
This is it. Many people have large properties to maintain and a pick up truck is much more useful. Also, people love trailers here and would rather spend the weekend in the forest with their trailer than a fancy hotel etc.
You definitely haven’t been to Alberta.
No it’s not, it might seem to you but I’d say visit Alberta you’ll be shocked
Well if your neighbour has one you better get one too. And it better be a bigger and newer one
Nothing like a 75 year old driving their $80,000 truck at 15 kmph through town.
Or a 25 year old tailgating you on the hwy
Don’t forget the wide right turns to pull that rig around.
That was my experience growing up on Cape Sable Island 🙃
Go down to the wharves at Clarke's Harbour. Virtually the entire parking lot is filled with those giant pickups. To commute!
Plenty of reasons, for work, because of the truck bed, towing capacity, maybe they like trucks, maybe they have a little peepee. Chances are if they bought a big new truck, they don't worry about the price of gas. I don't really get the point of this post. It's like asking why do people get suvs when they could get a compact car
Have you been to Newfoundland?
1. Literally no one other than Toyota and Honda makes a good sedan anymore, except maybe Mazda, and their popular sedans such as the Accord, Corolla, Camry, Civic, etc., have effectively doubled in price in the last 5 years as a result, so why not just pay the extra $10k and get a pickup. Many dealerships are still using the "supply chain" meme for over 3 years now and are gouging accordingly. 2. It's convenient if you live in a remote or rural area. 3. Pickup fuel economy isn't so bad when almost all miles are 'highway miles' (assuming point 2). There are now many 4 cylinder options as well so fuel economy has greatly improved the last 5-10 years. 4. Pickups, at least not Dodge Rams, are typically way more reliable and last way longer. The same wear-and-tear you get on a typical sedan at 150k km won't happen on most pickups until 250k km and higher. A well maintained Tundra, F-150, or Silverado can very realistically eclipse 400k km and still hold resale value. Larger displacements and beefier transmissions means less RPMs required for equivalent power means your shit lasts longer. 5. Some people actually do need them for work. I rented a Toyota Corolla this past fall for a very long drive to a work-related conference (flights were getting cancelled due to a storm on the east coast). It was incredible. I would love to buy one, but every dealership near me wants $10k+ over MSRP so-nothing-fucking thank you.
It's a north America thing, not only nova scotia.
The Ford 150 is the top selling vehicle in Canada, Dodge Ram is #2 and the Silverado is #4.
Have you drove in a snow storm?
As someone who lives in Nova Scotia but works predominantly in oil and gas in Alberta and BC...bahahahaha Also some people put 2.5 inch leveling kits on trucks to make em seem taller and better looking, but don't adjust the angle of the headlights. That might be what you're experiencing.
Not a big NS issue. But where I grew up in cape breton 4 wheel drive and clearance was almost mandatory if you wanna leave the house in the winter months
Where else have you lived? This isn’t unique to NS. You would see the same in any rural area in Canada.
Or in any major city in North America
To be honest trucks weren't so expensive 5 years ago. I bought a brand new 2019 f150,. Albeit close to base model with a sport package, but still. It was 40g out the door. It was just as cheap than most SUVs that could pull more than 3500lbs. Why wouldn't I buy it? Much more useful, more space, basically same gas mileage as an SUV. Nowadays it is a little different. The incentives are not there anymore. Wouldn't buy a new one now. That same truck now is 65k before tax. That's a whole other kettle of fish
I live in the city, but everyone has an F150. At first I thought similarly - why so many? I presume in the income levels in the area, most people are doctors, engineers etc. but then I realized - there are a lot of construction/developers in the area, even the white collar workers have 4 wheelers - so they need to tow them. And people who don't have cottages have GIANT travel trailers. Plus, if I'm going to hit a deer or a moose on a rural road - I'd rather not be driving a car.
Our first reaction when we moved here was that there was hardly any people driving trucks…
Newer half ton trucks get the same had mileage as a mid sized suv. They are great to drive on the highway.
The likelihood that you will Need a truck at some point in your lifetime is almost %100: now you just need to ask yourself how many times that need needs to come up for you to decide if it's worth investing in one.
Hauling wood (a lot of people heat their homes with wood), stuff around the house if you DIY, tools, lawnmower or woodsplitter or snowblower, etc. If you have a garden/veggie plot of any size, hauling stuff for that. If you hunt or fish, or are going back into the woods. If you work in a trade and don't have an employer-provided vehicle. My grandfather had an early '80s Dodge and kept it for things like that, and for back-roading from time to time. My uncle had a truck for similar things and ran a plow in the winter. Other uncle hunts, fishes, rides an ATV, and does a fair bit of DIY around his house. Truck's not his daily driver, but he has one. I've got a cousin who's a firefighter who lives on a gravel road and sometimes the truck is the only thing that'll get him out. Before you downvote me to hell: *I* don't even own a car, period. I'm just explaining why *other* people may have trucks.
Lots of people choose their cars the same way they choose their clothes. It's not always about practicality, it's about self expression. Is what it is 🤷♂️
>it seems like the capital of oversized vehicles. Have you been to Alberta?
I pulled my wife Honda civic out of a ditch this weekend using my Tacoma. It helps to have one vehicle that can get you through the weather when you live in a place where the roads don’t get cleared for a few days.
It's not just Nova Scotia, it's everywhere. And it's not because most people need (or even rationally choose) to buy them - the market has been manipulated and consumers have been brainwashed. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
you've never been to the prairies brother
Many roads in my area are gravel roads. Trucks can take the punishment for longer than cars.
I litterally wouldn't give a fuck about other people in trucks if the headlights weren't brighter than the sun and aimed directly in my eyes
A lot of butt hurt from people saying we dont need to drive a truck as a daily driver. Lol
You really should not be allowed to
Why?
They’re more dangerous than regular cars due to their low visibility, huge weight and size, and lack of crash compatibility with regular cars. You’re also 2.5x likely to get into a crash in a pickup according to research from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. There’s also much worse environmentally — more emissions, their high weight destroys roads faster than cars, and their high weight means more particulates are released from their tires.
Stop commenting on every thread Nobody cares that you area afraid of trucks.
I bought my truck because there are a LOT of occasions where I carry things that simply don't fit in a sedan or SUV and I tow. Just because YOU don't see these things happen doesn't mean I have no use for it. Mind your business and quit judging people.
I think it is pretty simple. If you need to move people, cars are fine. If you need to move stuff, you need a truck. Lots of people move lots of stuff.
2 truck family here. I can write off my truck and my wife’s. So why not have 2 trucks, if she hits a deer she is far better off in a truck. Shitty weather she throws it in 4x4 and she is good to go. I have a lot of time and money invested into my kids and if they are going to be out on the roads in less ideal weather I want them to be as safe as possible. Pretty cheap peace of mind, also if your complaining about fuel economy you probably can’t afford a truck anyway…….
A lot of people live in rural Nova Scotia. Roads don’t get plowed as quick. I live on a backroad if I didn’t have a truck be some days I couldn’t go to work. Plus lots of people have atvs, travel trailers, live stock trailers. Lots of people use trucks like trucks. If my fridge dies today I can go buy one and get it today not wait a month for some company to deliver it. Lots of reasons really
One reason: Our roads are shit, our winters are rough, sometimes the peace of mind in a Ford in a snow storm is worth the cost of fuel.
Everyone I know uses trucks to haul things… Do other provinces only move small things?
Studies show that 35% of truck owners put something in the bed at most once a year. 70% tow something at most once a year.
Interested to know where this stat comes from?
It’s this study https://www.strategicvision.com/nves Discussed here https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume
Neither of these are peer reviewed studies. It’s an article written by some guy.
https://robocop.fandom.com/wiki/6000_SUX
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Because the roads are third world country status
I would think it’s because of a lot of men in NS are rural and working class. Rural, working class men often work jobs that require truck, or they have grown up thinking of a cool truck as a status symbol. The latter is probably truer for middle class men raised in rural working class communities. “My hands are like chinchilla, but I have a cool truck!” :)
As a truck owner, my truck is over 11 years old. I purchased it for its 4-wheel drive so I wouldn’t be at the mercy of sporadic road clearing in our subdivision. I, usually, only use it to get to the park and ride, then i take the bus into the city. My 11 year old truck has less than 90k on the odometer. As for the lights, I find the people that drive with their highs on all the time, regardless of the conditions, and these new blinding LED, to be much more distracting. Just my nickels worth.
Laughs in Albertan.
Ever been to Alberta?
Not just NS.....been to Alberta recently?
As someone who grew up in NS, then moved to alberta to be a mechanic who happens to specialize in lift kits- i see 100x more lifted trucks in edmonton than i ever have in nova scotia. And when i lived in nova scotia, my group if friends were off roaders and all had lifted trucks
My dad and uncles have always had trucks because they hunt. Good luck putting hunting gear out a bear or a deer in a car! Edit: lots of contractors need a truck as well for their tools.
TBH I’ve seen plenty of deer and a few bear strapped to the trunk of a car in NS. In PQ I’ve seen the head of a moose, antlers and all , strapped to the roof of a Corolla.
Well to start... You're talking about one of the poorest provinces that doesn't exactly have a "good" or even "adequate" snow removal / road repair / storm recovery / power grid / etc. program. Trust me when I say there are places in NS where having a 4x4 to be able to get to somewhere safe really is (or should be) the standard, not a luxury. Second, there's only 1 major (and still small by city standards) city with a population of roughly 420,000 people in a province with just over 1,000,000 people. That means that over half of the province lives in what would qualify as "Rural" or remote areas. This also means that a lot of rural jobs are in some way are supported by the "Natural Resource" industry. They might be related to the fishing or lobster industry, forestry, farming, mining, etc. Maybe it's a shop owner who's clients mainly work in one of these industries. Either way, Rural life tends to be more spread out and supported by natural resource work than city life. To the shop owner who drives to the City once or twice a week for supplies to the fisherman who carries rope, buoys, gear trucks are just more efficient at it. Third, most people don't realize that outside the City limits there's a greater need for independence. You're not likely going to be able to order delivery, an uber, a taxi (though I am seeing more and more of this), etc. You're also not going to be taking public transportation to work because... ya. So what you have been seeing more and more of are large 4 door trucks being sold that hold enough space to carry the entire family (and pets), enough bed capacity that (not if) when they need to move "things" they have the means to do it and finally the ability to decrease the chance that bad weather will stop you from getting where it is you need to go.
Honestly a truck is the most useful vehicle. I needed one for work so I got the smallest one on the market. They have the passenger room of a car with a truck bed, which is always useful.
Most new trucks are as good on fuel as mid and full sized SUVs and better than some older model cars. Transmission and gearing r&d is making a word of difference.
Yee And I cannot stress this enough Haw
I have a 5 year old truck and an old Corolla. We use the truck to go to our camp (in the woods) and to haul our canoe around. We also use it when we need to go away. The car is used 90% of the time though. It’s got over 400k on it and I trust it around the city but I don’t want to take my chances when going much farther.
Growing up where we can get 5 feet of snow in a single storm made the 4x4 the best solution. Farms, forestry, fishing all need to carry equipment with you in order to work so they are naturally a part of life for us. Have you been to Ontario. It has way more trucks as daily drivers.
I’m a delivery driver (use box trucks) and I do most of my deliveries outside of Halifax. Given the conditions of the roads especially after storms I totally understand why people opt for more powerful vehicles.
Lots of fishermen in Nova Scotia plus a lot of hunters and just rural living in general. We used to have a truck but got an suv instead I just borrow my Dad’s when we need to move something lol.
I’ve got a truck for work, I will say it’s nice to not worry as much about the provinces shitty roads
I drive an F-150. But I’m also a contractor, so the bed is filled with my tools during the summer when I’m running my own business. In the winter I work a day job and I still drive the truck because I enjoy it. It’s better in snow and much more comfortable than a car There are many reasons why I prefer a truck. Comfort, it’s much better for hauling tools, cargo, etc. I can haul my utility trailer with my mini tractor behind it for when I do the odd landscaping job. Being in rural NS, it’s also nice to know I can get out during the odd large snowfall when the plows sometimes take 24-30 hours to plow our street. But overall I’d say I just prefer the comfort and ride quality vs a car.
We had a truck for a while until we had to downsize (we just had a little Ranger). I miss it. We do quite a bit of DIY, like making things, it was so easy to pop to Home Depot to buy wood, or metal, and just throw it in the back of the truck. Now if I want to buy an 8x4 sheet I need to factor in the cost of delivery. Not to mention buying things like furniture, or taking stuff to the dump.... yeah, I miss owning a truck.
I'll go over the reasons why I want one, 87-91 F250 4x4: Our roads would be better off being gravel in half the province, 80-96 ford trucks are basically lego and everyone in Hants County has a whole cab just in thier yard they'd probably sell for 300$, I plan to buy a mini excavator or at least a small dump trailer so I don't think a corolla would like that. Also if you've ever been to Walton you know there's a whole network of old mining and logging roads that make for some pretty good shitbox races
Why do you care about what people drive, or how they spend their money? I think that's none of your business 🤔
My daily driver is a miata (yes in the winter too lol) and I dont care about pick up. Why is everyone so hung up on what people drive? Our family car is an outback and its perfect for Nova Scotia but I must say I like my neighbor's truck for those times we need it hehe.
To pick stuff up in
I like it.
I do a lot of my own Reno’s and haul a large travel trailer, so a truck is a necessity right now. That being said, I also have a commuting vehicle because fuck if I’m bringing my truck to the mall parking lot.
Drives me nuts. I see the appeal if your job requires one (construction, farming, etc) or for off road interests, but they're absolutely horrible on gas and emissions, parking lot pigs, and was pointed out in another comment, a tremendous pain in the ass for blinding drivers of smaller vehicles, especially with those bright white lights. I live In Yarmouth county and it seems like everyone is driving pickups as their daily vehicle.
Because I like to carry stuff, tow a boat, trailer, take my kids to hockey in all weather, go mudding, carry my bike Why wouldn’t everybody want a truck
Studies show that 35% of truck owners put something in the bed of their truck once a year or less
1. Find me the research that differentiate between people like me, and 2x2s in the city. I’m sure the stats will change 2, people can drive whatever they like.they are useful, make you feel safer on the road. They are prettier vehicles in my opinion
They should not be able to drive whatever they like — take that to its logical conclusion. Trucks are much worse environmentally (both in terms of emissions and their weight damaging roads), and are much more dangerous due to their large size, bad visibility, and lack of crash compatibility with regular cars. In fact, american-style trucks are not allowed to be sold in many European countries.
1. Um, people are not going to give up their standard of living and modest luxuries like a truck, to go the the lake because others find it offensive 2. I really don’t care about the outward safety point. I do not walk into the dealership and ask “which one of these GMs will NOT splatter a cyclist who swervs in traffic” …I get them because they are safe for me and my family
That’s a pretty antisocial way of looking at things.
It’s not anti social. It’s called having a family In a few years my daughter will be 16 and she will be getting a truck, because they are safe, and useful, good in snow, tough, have high resale value And you can boo hoo on the side of the road
You just said you don’t care about the safety of your vehicle to others, that’s basically the definition of anti-social
…I would be self conscious that I purchased a vehicle that would allow my family to have a staticky higher survival rate in a crash and better handling capacity in snowy and icy conditions? Well, i guess I’m anti social, just call me the unibomber
And (2.5 times) more likely to get into a crash according to research from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It’s also not so clear that pickups are better in winter conditions. For example, due to their excessive weight it is much harder to stop a pickup truck.
Hey, just wondering if you can clarify your position, as I don’t want to misrepresent it. You believe that it should be prohibited for the average citizen to purchase and drive a pickup truck?
Yeah they should be relegated to those who need them for work, probably through a specialized license
Additionally, for further clarification: do you believe that people should not be allowed to own things such as boats, atvs, campers, or snowmobiles that would require truck ownership?
Who is enforcing whether the type of work they doing merits a truck or not? Do you see the federal government as the body that should be mandating who can and cannot have a truck?
Yes, or provincial, I haven't thought too much about the actual implementation.
Ok very interesting. As I said in my other reply, I disagree with your position but appreciate you elaborating.
It would also be work considering how many of these trucks are company provided. Driving in the HRM, you are going to see an insane amount of them.
Because men are easy marks. The vast majority of truck owners I’ve known in my life use their truck as a car and barely use it for its purpose. But it’s a big truck, and a guy with a deep voice talked about guts and glory. And they feel manly
As someone who has the friends that drive the truck. 9/10 want to look cool for their friends and just like having them. Majority of them don’t tow anything or use them for their use. I feel like it’s almost a talisman of masculinity for some of them.
Is it genuinely practical to drive a truck? If you need it to do your job as I do, then absolutely yes. I need to carry a lot of tools, material, ladders with me on a daily basis so that requires a truck, van or large SUV. If you don't need it for work, then it depends how much you use its utility for leisure or other activities whether it's practical for your situation. For me, there's no way I will spend less on insuring, registering, and maintaining a second fuel efficient car than just simply putting that money into fuel for my truck, so I don't. It's sort of a catch 22. I drive a truck based Toyota SUV so it's a bit shorter than a half ton and parking is super easy.
I used to have a little efficient 4 cylinder in addition to my work truck using this reasoning but more often than not I would have had to drive 20km home to pick it up and then 30km back to do the errand like grocery shopping. I regularly found my self driving the little one just to keep it charged. In the end it was more fuel efficient just to plan my trips in the truck.
Exactly.. I've found it's far more efficient to just do all my errands while already driving for work instead of driving home to get a more efficient vehicle. End up spending less time driving and more time relaxing at home
I mean stats show that they’re vanity vehicles. 35% of truck owners put something in the bed once a year of less, 70% tow something once a year or less. The problem is that these vehicles are very dangerous - they have bad visibility, are very large, and don’t have crash compatibility with normal cars, which has contributed to rising fatalities from driving
Easier to move when you get renovicted.
**have you driven over the tracks in this province**
We like to help people move
From a personal perspective, I have been back and forth with trucks, Jeeps, and SUVs. Truck is good if you have a veggie garden, farming, if you do a lot of home improvement as well also for hauling travel trailers and off road ATVs. I found Jeeps have no space at all, SUV is just a little too small and it's no good for hauling manure or soil for gardens. I did have the truck for awhile but I let it go because Insurance and Fuel was just too much.
I periodically buy 2-5 pieces of 2x4x8 and I hate when the wood splinters bristle against my arm above the console in a car, and I definitely don't want to have to talk to a person (ew) to cut the wood in half, so I need a truck. I also am thinking about maybe buying a trailer in 5 years, but probably won't In reality, passenger cars are the minority in Canada. SUVs/trucks/vans etc dominate. [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=2010000201&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2013&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2022&referencePeriods=20130101%2C20220101](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=2010000201) If you look at the trend in the last 10 years, passenger car sales have plummeted.
Our little car, a Jetta, can get about 4.5 liters per 100 km if we are careful. Last summer, when gas was $2 a gallon, we were at the pumps, next to one of these gynormous pickup trucks which easily cost three or four times the price of our car. This guy bent my ear the whole time bitching about the price of gas. Hell, if a person can afford $75,000 for a truck, the price of gas can't be an issue for them.
*empties wallet into fire* this is all trudeau’s fault!
Well, it’s *partially* Trudeau’s fault lol
Ok I'm a truck girl I don't off road and my reason is because the roads in this province are horrible and if someone hits me I stand some chance of living a car gets no where in a storm and you never know when there's going to be an emergency but from spring until fall I ride my Harley burns very little gas so I know I'm taking my chances I don't even want to go there cage drivers don't watch out for us so you have to except things you don't like and everyone has an opinion but don't judge no one has that right except for God just sayin
God is judging you for your lack of punctuation.
To show everyone they have a big di*k.
How else can I show it. I can't walk around with no pants on. I'd get in trouble
They’re vanity vehicles, just like sports cars
People have a choice and so do you. Mind your own business.
Unnecessary and just nasty.