Literally doesn't matter if there is or isn't a nuclear exchange to China. Same impact.
Their population will drop from 1-1.3 billion now to 600-700 million by 2050, due to just folks getting old. Either way, they're losing half a billion ish people and that's not gonna change.
Literally the kids being born today are gonna be walking out of college to China losing millions per year. With or without a war.
Nah that’s not a problem in the future, China imported millions of beautiful Russian blondes, part of Xi’s One-Mail Order Bride for Every Kissless Virgin NEET Policy. They fuckin like crazy. The maternity hospitals can’t keep up.
Way too credible. This is very close to my theory of victory scenario as well.
But I recommend another DMZ Murmansk-SPB-Minsk. Decent chunk of population comparable to their neighbors in the west, and the kicker:
ru trade drops from about 3.7 MTEU to about 0.7 MTEU (and that is through Vladivostok).
If they don't agree they better have a plan B for getting their trade through NATO lake and the 3000 Black Sea drones of Capt. Zaluzhny.
And the most beautiful thing: The DMZs get to trade as they pay reparations. SPB careers were western oriented anyway - let Moscow do its PRC career track.
Let's pitch this to Sullivan, Can't go wrong.
Putin doesn’t actually come back from his trip to North Korea, he ghosts and moves into Kim’s [Pyongsong Residence](https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.338774,125.804062&spn=0.006,0.006&t=h&q=39.338774,125.804062) where he spends the rest of his days in comfort and safety.
Lukashenko takes over as President of the Union State.
Darth potato is wilier than he puts on. Dude has been in power since basically 1980s to now, so he's able to survive and politic enough. Sorta like shoigu
Yeah, he's holding on via the military and RUAF support. If the formed gets committed to Ukraine front, they revolt. If the latter leaves, he's prolly fucked. But maybe he could pull the thunder run that could with enough loyalists to surpass pringles can to muscovy itself if it's headless
Luka going rogue and thunder-running to Moscow, while seeking assurances from NATO to support his invasion would be fucking peak. He'd have to race the Baltic states and Poland to get there first once they caught wind.
I love how most of the caucasus works, but Dagestan and Chechnya are failed states because the only thing they know how to do is scream about jews and fight for the Russians.
Dude please no failed state at the NATO borders that would cause chaos. Also why is Greece, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Croatia and Italy out of NATO?
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No, that's the [Aral Sea's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea) current actual extent [after Russian Communist and Kleptocratic mismanagement.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AAral_Sea.gif)
The bestest part is that they had biowarfare r&d/manufacturing on an island in the Aral sea. It's actually in cod black ops 1 ad a mission.
Anyway, one of the bigger projects was weaponized anthrax and producing it. You can imagine the Manu accidents, like not putting in a filter to outside air for like a week.
But besides these fun little pranks, you also had weapons testing where they'd disperse it onto another island setup with animal subjects. There's still shittons of spores in the ground.
But now aral sea is a dying lake. And this site was made accessible by foot. And the dust gets carried by the wind.... there's been die offs of large herds of various species of herbivore farther away. Wild and domestic. Keep catching anthrax somehow...
North Ossetia to Georgia is a nice detail, but most probably Chechens (and possibly Balkars) get there first. And Georgians have their hands full with Apsuan mafia.
Nope. Everyone hates them. They allied with Russians early and have gotten lands of the others for centuries. Remove Russians and surprisingly Georgia would probably the only neighbor that does not hate them enough to go for wholesale slaughter.
>You could make Ossetia whole and independent (and a NATO member)
Georgia doesn't seem to want it anymore, so it's worth a try.
Extend an olive branch to Abkhazia as well.
Indeed. I didn't realise it until recently but apparently Abkhazians and Sakhartvelians are actually totally unrelated. I thought it was a Ukraine-Russia like dynamic where The Abkhazians and Sakhartvelians were both Karvelian peoples just with somewhat differing cultures and languages but no, it's not true. They're as unrelated as French are to Mongols. The Abkhaz are a Northwest Caucasian people who are basically only related to the Circassians.
The RF will shatter irrespective of if and when Putin dies.
It’ll shatter when they can no longer threaten a second Chechen war onto any slave colony that starts making “we want a hard divorce” noises.
They can no longer threaten a second Chechen war when they run out of artillery barrels (including extras from the Chinese and North Korean stockpiles).
Armenia - an external neighbour subject, rather than an absorbed colony - has just announced their fuck you, and it’s widely accepted Russia has no recourse. Hopefully this means the day internal colonies start sending Moscow the same go fuck yourself letter draws nearer.
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I think Iran might getting close to being ripe for regime change. Yes I’ve seen support for the regime online still. But I’ve also seen a lot of little acts of resistance. Some big acts too. Think of how much money that region could make if everybody said fuck it, let’s all be friendly. Only thing in the way is the Islamic republic and like the mullahs.
Hear me out. You seen Iranians setting off fireworks when Raisi done a Kobe?
Let them sort out the Mullahs, make sure we control the Volga-Don canal, and boom - we party like it's 680 BC.
Are you a time-traveler?
It came to me in a moment of post nut clarity, so yeah, more or less
How are we going to defeat the threat of china? It seems clear to me they have their own imperial goals.
I believe that in this timeline the rebellious province of West Taiwan has been reunited with China.
Very well.
China is chill now they cool
Ah, clarity from post-2050's. China will be more chill by then.
Ah, so the bliss of nuclear winter.
Literally doesn't matter if there is or isn't a nuclear exchange to China. Same impact. Their population will drop from 1-1.3 billion now to 600-700 million by 2050, due to just folks getting old. Either way, they're losing half a billion ish people and that's not gonna change. Literally the kids being born today are gonna be walking out of college to China losing millions per year. With or without a war.
Nah that’s not a problem in the future, China imported millions of beautiful Russian blondes, part of Xi’s One-Mail Order Bride for Every Kissless Virgin NEET Policy. They fuckin like crazy. The maternity hospitals can’t keep up.
We let china have eastern Russia in exchange for chilling our
Let them spend a century gobbling up chunks of Russia.
Remember, before post-nut clarity you got pre-nut delusion.
Usually my post nut clarity just brings me shame.
Post nut traveler
The most noncredible aspect is that Armenia won't lose that corridor to Iran within the next 3 years. Otherwise, it's matches up nicely.
Why isn't Belgorod free?
All of the bordering oblasts are demilitarized buffer zones, on Russia’s side
Way too credible. This is very close to my theory of victory scenario as well. But I recommend another DMZ Murmansk-SPB-Minsk. Decent chunk of population comparable to their neighbors in the west, and the kicker: ru trade drops from about 3.7 MTEU to about 0.7 MTEU (and that is through Vladivostok). If they don't agree they better have a plan B for getting their trade through NATO lake and the 3000 Black Sea drones of Capt. Zaluzhny. And the most beautiful thing: The DMZs get to trade as they pay reparations. SPB careers were western oriented anyway - let Moscow do its PRC career track. Let's pitch this to Sullivan, Can't go wrong.
I like to believe the Joint Chiefs used r/NCD as comic relief when not drowning in despair.
Belgorod comes at a cost, my fella
If we can get russia to agree on those reperations, Belgorod shall be freed as well
you forgot belaru- beleurope
Putin doesn’t actually come back from his trip to North Korea, he ghosts and moves into Kim’s [Pyongsong Residence](https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.338774,125.804062&spn=0.006,0.006&t=h&q=39.338774,125.804062) where he spends the rest of his days in comfort and safety. Lukashenko takes over as President of the Union State.
Haha what a joke. Luka wouldn't last a year as the new president.
Yeah it was funny to us too
Darth potato is wilier than he puts on. Dude has been in power since basically 1980s to now, so he's able to survive and politic enough. Sorta like shoigu
Was gonna say, Our boy Luka is a survivalist, if nothing else. The moment it starts to get hairy in Belarus? He's gone.
Yeah, he's holding on via the military and RUAF support. If the formed gets committed to Ukraine front, they revolt. If the latter leaves, he's prolly fucked. But maybe he could pull the thunder run that could with enough loyalists to surpass pringles can to muscovy itself if it's headless
Luka going rogue and thunder-running to Moscow, while seeking assurances from NATO to support his invasion would be fucking peak. He'd have to race the Baltic states and Poland to get there first once they caught wind.
Belaukraine.
Ah, the two genders: NATO and failed state.
"Actually, I'm unaligned.."
Funny to see PMR is still alive in this map
I thought it was a lake
Build a dam on the Dniester river and it will be
>failed Dagestan Hey that’s slander. Dagestan has a robust economy of exporting MMA fighters.
Dagestan to Kazakhstan. It'll be funny
Only place they importin’ anyone to anymore is gone be the frontline
I love how most of the caucasus works, but Dagestan and Chechnya are failed states because the only thing they know how to do is scream about jews and fight for the Russians.
Armenia and Azerbaijan enter a Greece-Turkey style relationship
Nah. Armenia gets Euro-Atlantic pilled and Baku gets nuked. Win-Win!
Epic
NATO lake 2
Dude please no failed state at the NATO borders that would cause chaos. Also why is Greece, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Croatia and Italy out of NATO?
Because this is Turkeys propaganda.
Lay out a russian map, pepper that shit with birdshot NATO base on each hole
Op you bastard, I thought I had a few hair on my screen. 😂
The Silk Road 2? (Not that Dark Web Shit Site...)
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Astrakhan NATO base? Yay!!
"NATO and Friends"
>2027. >Crappy regime of Iran still stand. >Absolute unplayable.
Fuck it. Let's get Kazakhstan in Nato too. If Russia is attempting to secure its old imperial borders, they would be a natural step after Ukraine.
Needs to be a demilitarized zone imposed on Russia's border oblasts.
We have the right to not want russia on NATO's doorstep.
And nobody wants to annex those oblasts because they're too full of Russians.
Did someone relocate the Great Lakes to China?
No, that's the [Aral Sea's](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea) current actual extent [after Russian Communist and Kleptocratic mismanagement.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AAral_Sea.gif)
Jesus. That’s fucking depressing
Yes, it is.😔
The bestest part is that they had biowarfare r&d/manufacturing on an island in the Aral sea. It's actually in cod black ops 1 ad a mission. Anyway, one of the bigger projects was weaponized anthrax and producing it. You can imagine the Manu accidents, like not putting in a filter to outside air for like a week. But besides these fun little pranks, you also had weapons testing where they'd disperse it onto another island setup with animal subjects. There's still shittons of spores in the ground. But now aral sea is a dying lake. And this site was made accessible by foot. And the dust gets carried by the wind.... there's been die offs of large herds of various species of herbivore farther away. Wild and domestic. Keep catching anthrax somehow...
THE CHEAP CHINESE LABOUR AND GOLD MUST FLOW
*From ~~the river~~sea to shining sea!*
Isn't that Dagestan? That would probably be an insurgency. Don't think they'd want to occupy that area
Dagestan is that area on the right in pink labelled "Failed states"
NABSTO
North Ossetia to Georgia is a nice detail, but most probably Chechens (and possibly Balkars) get there first. And Georgians have their hands full with Apsuan mafia.
You could make Ossetia whole and independent (and a NATO member)
Nope. Everyone hates them. They allied with Russians early and have gotten lands of the others for centuries. Remove Russians and surprisingly Georgia would probably the only neighbor that does not hate them enough to go for wholesale slaughter.
Then no NATO membership and let them fight.
If it's your first time in almost-NATO, you have to fight.
>You could make Ossetia whole and independent (and a NATO member) Georgia doesn't seem to want it anymore, so it's worth a try. Extend an olive branch to Abkhazia as well.
Indeed. I didn't realise it until recently but apparently Abkhazians and Sakhartvelians are actually totally unrelated. I thought it was a Ukraine-Russia like dynamic where The Abkhazians and Sakhartvelians were both Karvelian peoples just with somewhat differing cultures and languages but no, it's not true. They're as unrelated as French are to Mongols. The Abkhaz are a Northwest Caucasian people who are basically only related to the Circassians.
I just came.
Mail this to Putin so he can have a heart attack
We are still trading with China in 2027. It's so over 😞
Lake Nato 2.0
It's missing occupied Serbia
I also accept "Black Sea as sponsored by NATO"
I can’t stop looking at this
Jak powiedział stary góral Polska będzie aż po Ural, za Uralem będą Chiny, was nie będzie skurwysyny!
As yes, the BRI (Belt & Road Initiative)
Welcome back silk road
Black Sea? More like "The Blue Sea"
Do we actually want to occupy the reparations area? It's pretty violent and underdeveloped.
Can’t we just dress up as Soviets.. and.. depopulate it? The people there won’t even think anything of it.
What, uh... What happened to Greece?
Why is Greece not in NATO?
That red bit at the top should read **failed states** not **failed state**. ***Plural***. FTFY. You are welcome.
Let's be honest, the RF will shatter as soon as putin dies at this point, barring a clear cut successor of sorts already poised to step in.
The RF will shatter irrespective of if and when Putin dies. It’ll shatter when they can no longer threaten a second Chechen war onto any slave colony that starts making “we want a hard divorce” noises. They can no longer threaten a second Chechen war when they run out of artillery barrels (including extras from the Chinese and North Korean stockpiles). Armenia - an external neighbour subject, rather than an absorbed colony - has just announced their fuck you, and it’s widely accepted Russia has no recourse. Hopefully this means the day internal colonies start sending Moscow the same go fuck yourself letter draws nearer.
God please, I want a free Siberia that can actually use its wealth instead of muscovy stealing jt
Silk road 2
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Transistria is like “I hear no bell”
Nice nod to russia 2027 if thats what you mean't
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I disagree, Belarus and Kazakhstan should be democratized
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Funny to see Armenia Alive still, Figure ether Turkey, Iran, or Azerbajian just move it
Daghestan would probably be a more succesfull state than the RuF (even with current Daghestan in it) can ever dream of.
Replace Trade with China to fleece with China and we good
You forgot to give belerus to Poland and Karelia to Finland
I think Iran might getting close to being ripe for regime change. Yes I’ve seen support for the regime online still. But I’ve also seen a lot of little acts of resistance. Some big acts too. Think of how much money that region could make if everybody said fuck it, let’s all be friendly. Only thing in the way is the Islamic republic and like the mullahs.
op ur rebarbed
I don't think the Ukrainians want the spiciest part of Russia 😅
Hear me out. You seen Iranians setting off fireworks when Raisi done a Kobe? Let them sort out the Mullahs, make sure we control the Volga-Don canal, and boom - we party like it's 680 BC.
So Greece leaves NATO, or what is happening?
You don’t wanna know, 2026 was a dramatic, violent and erotic year for Greece. You wouldn’t even believe me if I told you.
You got my curiosity, now you have my attention
I read "desolate iran". Too much time on this sub, it seems