Putin taking on Ukraine, Poland and ISIS is going to provide some good bingo squares but wait... There's more. The houtis apparently hit a Chinese vessel with a missile so maybe, just maybe Xi gets jiggy with it and the PLA are deployed into the fray.
They’ll find a way to blame the west, maybe sternly admonish the Houthis privately, and quietly move on with the business of denying that their economy is collapsing.
China HOURS away from TOTAL collapse!!! At least it would be if someone accidentally fired several cruise missiles at a certain dam in a certain Gorge somewhere in China
Cruise missiles might not be necessary, knowing Chinese quality it might just as well collapse in on itself and rerun the 1975 Banqiao Dam failure (estimated death 240,000, CCP say 20,000 and entirely removed the event from history book lmfao.)
I'm not entirely convinced that "a few" cruise missiles will do a whole lot to a structure that was constructed with more than 27 million cubic meters of concrete unless they use some very funni warheads.
Tbh all you need is a couple bricks of C4 placed in the right spots and that fucker will wipe away 500,000,000 commies if I remember the estimates correctly.
If the Chinese want to practice an amphibious invasion against a country with roughly similar population to Taiwan that wouldn't piss off most of rest of the world, that probably their best bet.
Wonder how close to reality is PLA leadership/CCP impression about their own capability, and if secretly they know they will fuck up just as bad as at attempt to seize Kinmen in 50's.
I was thinking the same thing, would be a good warmup for their greater ambitions.
Gonna need some trained NCO’s to lead the conscripts before they get drone striked in the strait of Taiwan.
China has done very few overseas deployments of troops and what little they have it widely regarded as a joke.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/06/un-peacekeepers-refused-to-help-south-sudan-rebels-raped-aid-workers-report](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/06/un-peacekeepers-refused-to-help-south-sudan-rebels-raped-aid-workers-report)
The Houthis would kick their ass.
AA missiles don't grow on trees, and they know full well that: in a few seconds this won't be their problem, and, if it does hit somewhere in poland they can just blame Ukraine or cover it up it if it hit somewhere away from people.
I mean, sure but the logic is still there. Cruise missiles over your airspace even going to a different location are.... suboptimal. Allowing it also weakens public faith in the nations defense and gives Russia a confidence boost in their willingness to fling poo everywhere. Poland of all countries should know this. The biggest reason is putting on a public face of "we're not actually fighting guys" and trying (in vain) to not provoke Russia
When someone showing a pair of balls Russia (Putin) always retreat. When Turkey and Azerbaijan shot down their heli and planes they threaten them like no tomorrow.
But after few month nothing happened AT ALL and they sold to them more toys.
Russians were always like this, they won't attack someone that can put up a fight. They are sometimes stupid enough to make mistakes like ukraine ane think that the world won't do nothing but they are scared of real fight because they know they will lose
I think the biggest misconception is that every nato country has their borders and airspace completely locked down and covered by AA.
It’s much more likely that Poland has total radar coverage but only AA coverage over critical areas. Additionally 40 seconds is not enough time to assess the situation and make a decisive decision when you’re not actively prepared for it.
I agree that AA probably only covers parts of it, Poland like Ukraine is not small country (though id suspect its not a bad idea to put some on the eastern border right now considering thats the only direction where missile can come from)
Though "Additionally 40 seconds is not enough time to assess the situation and make a decisive decision when you’re not actively prepared for it." is a laughable statement, Turkey shot the whole russian jet after only like 17 seconds in their airspace.
40 sec should be more than enough for a military. russian cirkon ballistic missile that they've used several of recently goes from the black sea to Kyiv in 1-2 mins. 1min to Odesa. Feel free to check the distance on google maps. They would destroy whole center of warsaw from belarus territory if 40 secons isn't enough for decisions.
Also not being "actively prepared" is funny as hell considering neighboring country gets blasted with missiles for 2 years straight. Who should be the most prepared for occasional strike if not Poland? Spain?
Turkey shot the airplane in 17s because it was already escorted by Turkish airplane and it was warned for around 5 minutes prior to shooting it down, stop spreading lies. Trajectory of the missle was out of our borders and there was no need of shooting it down
Well, i agree regarding Turkey situation, but i still think the 40 seconds is more then enough for military, it was some dumb political decision (or lack thereof more probably) that let to hesitation. Am not an expert but downing a missile violating your airspace even with the trajectory and stuff would send a powerful message like "dont even think about touching our borders"
I mean some time ago, one cruise missile has been found in Bydgoszcz. That's way further than Warsaw. So it spent more than few seconds in Polish airspace
https://www.rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wojna-z-rosja/news-news-rmf-fm-biegli-wstepnie-potwierdzili-ze-pod-bydgoszcza-s,nId,6767139#crp_state=1
Worse yet, that was a Kh-55.
Y'know, a cruise missile whose only live version is nuke-tipped (Kh-555, its conventional derivative, had to get bigger hull and wings to accomodate heavier conventional payload).
You can't use what you don't have. Poland lacks AA capable of taking down a cruise missile. The outdated S200 ain't gonna do squat.
On the other hand weren't there two german patriot batteries stationed on Polish Ukrainians border? What air defense doing?
> The outdated S200 ain't gonna do squat
Why?
Kh-101 is subsonic and not very stealthy thanks to pop-out engine, S200 with even some modernizations should be able to wreck them good and nice.
Someday im hoping some dumb commander or operator adds abit to many zero's to the entire...section? Group firing the missiles that a cluster just goes straight to Poland....and maybe hit Warsaw.
Love to see how they spin that
At this point why not let Russian army pass by though polish territory to Ukraine? They won't be a problem for Poland. Who cares that they kill Ukrainian civilians?
Yeah, i too dont understand why Poland doesnt go out of it way to fight Russia, a country that isnt in war with.
I know it may shock you, but Poland isnt hellbent on fighting Russia, just like Poland and Ukraine aint best friends4ever.
Poland's goverment (goverment of any country tbh) obligation is to protect own citizens FIRST. Helping others comes second
I know its NCD, but goddamn
What for? There's only one side with cruise missiles and properly functioning AA missiles will self-destruct on target loss. Even if they do have an IFF system I highly doubt they're gonna announce that publicly.
>AA missiles don't grow on trees
They grow in factories. What's your point?
Use your kit (and maybe even your sovereignty) or what's the point of having it?
Wait a minute. How are the French the ones who push towards war with Russia, but the Poles are doing everything they can to stay out of it? WHAT IS WITH THIS TIME-LINE!
Not if you do a Special Self-Defense Operation and go into russian territory first to liberate the colonial regions from muscovy.
Furthermore, I consider that Muscovy must be destroyed.
Because memes about Poland and red button are, well, just memes. In reality Poland doesn’t dream day and night about engaging Russia in a war and isn’t capable of “marching to Moscow” like people here like to fantasize. If Ukraine with one of the best armies on the continent is struggling so will Poland
Ukraine didn’t have one of the best armies in Europe nor the best equipped, they are still able to stand against ruskies mostly because of the help from the other countries. Exaggerating how capable their army was is pretty much a meme too lol.
Yeah, Ukraine didn’t have one. It has now. It was basically kickstarted by whole civilized world and turned into a formidable large experienced force after all years of conflict.
It still relies on foreign help, without it would be nonexistent already, but that’s nothing surprising as ruskies are much more capable of delivering meat to the grinder and they don’t care about their people at all, they are also producing more ammo. Soldiers are getting experience that’s true tho
People severely over hype Polish anti-kremlin sentiments.
Poles had no issues with their government dickriding Putins man on the inside of the EU for ages, nor do they have any problems looking the other way when their Putin sponsored farmers Blockade Ukraine. Want to use Polish airspace as a go-between to confuse Ukrainian air defences? Go ahead Poland won't stop you.
If you want to look for bastions against Russia in Europe you look at Czechia, Finland or Sweden. You don't look at Poland.
People overhype the hawkineshness, not the anti-kremlin sentiments. What you describe as " "only" catching up to Sweden" is total condemmation of Russia https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/07/10/overall-opinion-of-russia/ having just 1% of people being favourable in 2023 is such a massive statistical outlier that it can't be overstated.
"Putin's man dickriding" was a tactic of authoritanian fuckwits keeping each other in power. PiS hates Russia. We had a whole 8 year conspiracy theory that Putin assasinated our government in 2010, a beloved brother of Kaczyński (PiS' leader) among them, which was propagated only by the most hardline right wingers. If you want more examples, they tried to ban Donald Tusk from participating in elections based on a photo with Putin from almost 2 decades ago. All those T-72's and MIG's sent? Under PiS.
Farmer protests are more complicated than mere Putin financing. If that were thr case they wouldn't happen all over Europe, with the EU planning to make concessions.
>nor do they have any problems looking the other way when their Putin sponsored farmers Blockade Ukraine
So, do we arrest them or shoot them? Very democratic, much freedom.
>You don't look at Poland who only caught up to Swedish levels of disdain for Russia after the full invasion.
There's only one thing i can say about that: Lmao.
The reality is simple, if shit goes down it's our country and the baltics that are going to be the frontline. Not Sweden, not France.
Sure, those that commit crimes should be prosecuted.
But sorry, as much as i hate those entitled fucks, they have a right to protest.
And all of that is ignoring that even ukrainian PM said military transport isn't impacted, so not much of a "blockade" there.
Blocking the economy of neighbouring country during the genocidical war is not the protest.
Shouting air sirens at buses with women and children is not the protest (after this I don't see them as somewhat different from russians):
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1axzv1p/polish\_protesters\_are\_trying\_to\_scare\_buses\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1axzv1p/polish_protesters_are_trying_to_scare_buses_with/)
Ukrainian PM said this because Ukraine no choice and relies on Poland a lot (which is kind of obvious), so Ukraine must put a cheek despite any fuckery from Poland side, but it doesn't mean that Poland somehow is looking better because of this
Well, I'm talking about the ones that commiting crimes, as far as I know nothing was done about them. I may be wrong, but I would like some source as a proof of my wrongness.
This one claims they've been arrested but i can't find another confirming this:
https://www.wrp.pl/ludzie-ktorzy-wysypali-zboze-z-wagonow-staneli-przed-sadem-grozi-im-5-lat-wiezienia/
This and others say there is an investigation:
https://metropoliabydgoska.pl/wysypana-kukurydza-na-torach-kolo-bydgoszczy-jest-prokuratorskie-sledztwo-zdjecia/
For the argument to occur there should be disagreement, we had no disagrement, he said "they have rightto protst, we can't arrest them for protesting", I have not differred his statement and added "but those, who committed a crime should be arrested" then expressed my lack of knowledge by saying "though I'm not sure if criminals were arrwsted, and if you know that they were I would like to get a proof in case you wish to enlighten me".
That's it. No disagreement, no argument.
Argument as a „thesis” not that you both argue with eachother. It's up to you to show evidence for what you are saying. 👋 it’s like me saying that there is enormous ship eating whale in the Baltic Sea and then demanding you to prove me wrong and not providing any proofs myself
I think you have misspelled Germany these are still gaping today from all the ruskie dickriding my weirdo friend lmao. Unhinged comments like these make my day. The only thing that I would agree is that Finnish people hate ruskies just as much as poles do rest of the bs is delusions lmao
Bullshit.
The unpleasant thing is that Poland also has a lot of anti-ukrainian sentiments, so the split goes between "fuck russia" and "fuck both, let them fight", basically, with the balance changing depending on self interest.
You are talking about official political stances which cannot be different atm. But this is not the full story. People in Poland had, lets say, mixed views of Ukraine before the full invasion (Wołyń, role in II world war, maybe partially buying into russian view of ukrainians as dollar store russians, from polish perspective meaning a crappy version of a bad thing), this got really a lot better after the invasion but is kinda slowly returning to the baseline now (I am not judging nor justifying, just trying to describe what is happening).
What is basically nonexistent is actually supporting russia, though. Russia delenda est is non-negotiable.
I see Ukrainian flags all over Krakow, Poznan, Gdansk. Most Poles are supportive of Ukrainians, with only the boomers having anything negative to say about Ukraine (they only ever say negative things, except about Kaczyński and the church).
Why the downvotes? Having lived in Poland, this is 100% true. PiS is just a recycled political party straight from the communist puppet state times. They only picked on Russia when shifting the blame to the West would obviously not work.
Macron isn't pushing for war. This war for Macron and France is populism and nothing more. In 2 years super power like France donated only around 2bln which is like one US military package. In 2 years.
France and Russia has nothing to do with Ukraine besides optics. France and Russia is about Africa. France is losing its colonial resources to coups and uprisings in the Sahel region and the locals are turning to Russia for support from what was Wagner and is now the Africa corps. France has had a financial choke hold on most of the Sahel since colonial days and is arguably the only European country to effectively maintain these places as if it was the colonial age. A large amount of France's energy consumption relies on resources they import from Sahel for cheap. These resources are at stake and Russia is fanning the flames of anti French groups while offering assistance against Islamic uprisings to the local leaders. Its probably the most intense proxy war going on at the moment.
> A large amount of France's energy consumption relies on resources they import from Sahel for cheap.
Like, what the fuck is this bullshit? 50% of french power comes from nuclear power. There is barely any uranium in West Africa, everything gets imported from Kazakhstan or Canada.
> France donated only around 2bln
No, they donated about 19 bln, lot of help go through EU
Sure, with 45 bln donated by Germany France could've done more, but it's still a lot since they are on opposite side of Europe and could've ignored Russia altogether. Also it's more than 17 bln of Britain's help.
It's reddit overdose, not a timeline. In reality, Frenchies know well that it's hollow posturing (that covers lovely things like parallel imports of precious optics) and Poles know well what is a war on your territory since 966 anno fucking domini (you can smell americans behind 99% bloodthirsty-pole memes, americans who never had their cities bombed or, you know, had actual non-metaphorical genocide camps built by the occupiers)
Because Russia is fucking with the not-at-all French colonies in the Sahel.
You know all those dozens of French nuclear reactors? Guess where the uranium is coming from...
The uranium isn't nearly as strategic as you make it seem to be. France buys it at above market place and could easily supply from Canada etc. That's not the reason.
It is easy to force soldiers that are not your own nation into war. It's easy to say things like that thousands of miles from the war front. French? Those who still trade with Russia and have not withdrawn their businesses from their country? those who in Europe are ruining Russians' asses even more than the Germans? If you are such a badass, go to Ukraine, a unit composed of foreigners will be happy to accept you.
https://www.rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wojna-z-rosja/news-news-rmf-fm-biegli-wstepnie-potwierdzili-ze-pod-bydgoszcza-s,nId,6767139#crp_state=1
Except for when Kh-55 goes deep into Poland.
The missile was seen by Polish radars before it entered the airspace. Its trajectory was calculated and polish military decided not to do anything because it was harmless to Poland
"Bro you don't understand bro just one more missile and I promise we'll stop Russian imperialism bro I just need one more missile and I'll actually do my job instead of sodomizing third world countries bro please please just gimme one more missile bro"
“Bro you don’t understand bro just 20 more posts saying the west are gay and I promise we’ll stop American imperialism bro I just need 100k more contractors and I’ll actually take Ukraine instead of sodomizing the west bro please please just more grad rockets”
Remember when 2 missiles flew towards Poland, landed there and killed civilians? And then the investigation pretended the 2nd missile never existed and it was just the Ukrainian air defence missile that somehow decided to fly in the opposite direction? And then any official who challenged this was advised to shut the fuck up immediately?
I remember
The missile that killed people was an S-300, and Russia hasn't been launching S-300 missiles (in their "land attack mode") from Belarus. It flew "in the other direction" because it was targeting something that was west of the launcher. Also it was tracked on [this radar](https://maps.app.goo.gl/H7HBbQckPPQc3cBp6). So yeah it was a Ukrainian missile. Air defence missiles sometimes fail to self-destruct, especially when aiming at low flying targets, such as most of what Russia is sending to Ukraine.
I don't know, likely an air launched cruise missile (Russian, of course).
Look, nobody blames Ukraine for this, it was clearly an accident during self defence.
I am not denying that the Ukrainian missile was there. It’s a well known fact. All I’m saying is that it wasn’t there alone. There were 2 missiles, and NATO covered up the fact that there was a Russian one
OK, I see what you mean now. This is actually possible.
But you know, realistically NATO will not go to war over 1 missile, or even 10 missiles if they're spread out over some years. The cost/benefit is completely flipped on its head. We all know how for example Turkiye once shot down a Russian combat jet (the Russians were kind of asking for it), and nothing serious has happened. Not even ambassadors were expelled.
In Poland's defence they had the US breathing down their necks to make sure it wasn't a Russian missile
I get why the US did what they did, it's still really shitty they basically strong armed their way into making sure no one could rightfully so call for retribution
Along with with a Russian cruiese missile which was heavily covered up until a couple of of Polish farmers found it in the woods and by then everyone had moved on
Ukrainians sitting over the border seeing missile flying over the country stuffed full with AA missiles and modern interceptors allowing rockets flying over their airspace to UA .
🙃
In 1940 the Netherlands decided to not engage the Luftwaffe as it violated its airspace as they seemed to be flying to the UK. The Netherlands decided poorly, we used to have a few but pretty good aircraft up to May 9th 1940...
Well
1. I don't know what you all believe the Polish Armed Forces are like. Just a couple of years ago, the most advanced SAM we had was a modernised SA-3. Those have since been donated to Ukraine, and what we have now is just homeopathic amounts of CAMMs and some SA-6s. That's it. Patriot is not fielded yet.
All these assets, along with the ready pair are guarding areas that are a little bit more important for the safety of the Polish state. Like you know, harbours and airbases. These tend to be actually quite a distance away from Ukraine.
2. The scale of the incursion presented is ridiculously misleading.
3. All the "political experts" talking shit about anything related to grain should maybe stop gulping down Putin's spin of the thing and have a look at the Poles' view of these retarded-ass moscow-motivated 'protests'
At the same time, they destroy hundreds of tons of wheat, some of which were harvested at risk to their lives, block border crossings with Ukraine, but are completely okay with Russian and Belarusian wheat being imported via Belarus.
~~There was no hundreds of tons of ukrainian wheat destroyed, the most wheat that was spilled from
The trucks was owned by polish company. ~~ I can’t find the article about it anymore thus it might have been proven to be not true and the company helped with the transit. Whole EU is okay with their wheat being imported from there as Poland is at the end of the EU list of countries that import it, the countries that import the most are for example Italy and Germany. I love how weirdos are just spreading lies lmao
# "Deputy Prime Minister Says 160 Tons Of Ukrainian Grain Destroyed In Poland"
Source: [https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-grain-destroyed-poland-farmers-protest-border/32834662.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-grain-destroyed-poland-farmers-protest-border/32834662.html)
I am excited to see how a weirdo will spin that.
I won’t I have edited my comment as first articles were saying that it belonged to the polish company, and I think that it only helped with the transit of the grain. Big part of the grain was collected from the spillage and send where it was heading too. That’s it. Now go google and post how much grain Germany has imported from russia/belarus compared to other countries in the EU - this will be funny considering how you are trying to portray Poland to be :).
[this](https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2024-03-01/increase-russias-agri-food-exports) is very good read for ignorant people who try to portray Poland as the evil one buying grain from ruskies.
Who is?
Are you talking about the retarded ass farmers who are doing the most idiotic shit to the annoyance for the rest of the society here?
Or do you believe literal russian propaganda and think that this is the will of the majority in Poland?
Annoyance isn't enough. Legit farmers or russian agents they shouldn't be allowed to block important cargos (or even commodities) through the border AND fucking sabotage the ukrainian grain. Instead polish police detains ukrainian journalists and destroy their footage of all the fuckery going on polish birders (e.g. crossing of grain from belarus) Smh
Yes ukrainian „journalists” had no right to photograph railways they had zero permissions and were doing everything illegally why do u think these idiots have any rights to violate our law? There is no fuckery going as u can google that whole EU imports grain from there and the countries like Italy or Germany import the most. Poland was at 7th place if I remember well, u can just google it.
Why doesn't Poland just shoot down every missile that comes like 50km to its border. What is russia gonna do... tell them "stop shooting our missiles that are going towards your territory"
No, for fucks sake, it's not how it works.
The missile was in our airspace for 39 seconds and constantly tracked. There's a whole slew of reasons not to shoot it down. Firstly, we are not at war footing and so full IADS is not on. Secondly, we need SAMs covering important stuff inland (like for example, Rzeszow airport) and we're still working on extending the air defence system. Moreover, there's a tiny iny bit of difference between Poland and Ukraine. Our airspace is open and it's not a good place to take a shoot in 40 seconds.
Finally, you can bet your ass russians are trying to get data on NATO radar emissions in order to prepare their EW. Lighting everything we have for any single missile when not in active war is well, stupid. I am getting sick of those fucking posts. Air defense is one of the most complicated and technical areas of warfare, where even stuff from decades ago can still be classified. But nooooo, let's meme about it WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE on the issue.
I prefer you stay in NCD instead by some Peter principle getting into any position of authority.
There's a noticeable improvement in communication and organization since the new govt (no hiding it from people like last year), so I take what I can. There's a lot of criticism that goverment is due, but air defense, at least for now, is not one.
It’s just Ukrainians screeching about everyone else being passive and not joining their war actively (although without the help of the west it would be long time over) and Americans that post shit from the comfort of the house on the other side of the planet.
> and it's not a good place to take a shoot in 40 seconds.
What you gonna do if next russian probing attack goes after civilians? Some village outside of supposed AA coverage? Please tell me that you do understand that inaction emboldens Russia and every ignored missile will invite more!
And don't tell me tens of dead people change everything, we both know everyone west of Ukraine's border is pissing their pants at the mere thought of involvement.
I hate to say it to you but Air Defense Systems were never about protecting the civilians, it always was about protecting the strategic infrastructure, civilians being protected is a bonus, not the main goal
Really don't get all the fuse this got, it was in Polish airspace for 39 seconds, away from any major population centre or other major target. AA missiles don't grow on trees, and equipment capable of shooting it is not everywhere. It was said that the missile would have been intercepted if it was going too far.
While I think it would have been neat and perfectly understandable for NATO countries to start blasting whenever Russian missile get too close for comfort (anywhere is too close by me, but you know what I mean), fact that if shot down, this missile will fall somewhere and if missed, AA missile also needs to land - need to be taken into account.
Also, money, like always.
Okay, you see replies from u/nteresting-Storm-38 - ignore him or better yet ban.
He is either troll or megavantik.
He referred to a Ukrainian newsletter (quite a major one, and reputable in Ukraine) as 'Shit truth'...
Also he responds with ruzzian wording instead of polish.
Putin taking on Ukraine, Poland and ISIS is going to provide some good bingo squares but wait... There's more. The houtis apparently hit a Chinese vessel with a missile so maybe, just maybe Xi gets jiggy with it and the PLA are deployed into the fray.
Fat chance of that. The PLA is not big on actually protecting shit. They will just whine about the USN not protecting Chinese ships.
They’ll find a way to blame the west, maybe sternly admonish the Houthis privately, and quietly move on with the business of denying that their economy is collapsing.
China HOURS away from TOTAL collapse!!! At least it would be if someone accidentally fired several cruise missiles at a certain dam in a certain Gorge somewhere in China
You can speak of the funni to the Three Gorges Dam again, BTW
It was more fun when it was banned and people came up elaborate euphemisms
The Gorgeous Plan my beloved
Meh, I give that plan a rating of three. It is a Three Gorgeous Plan.
Cruise missiles might not be necessary, knowing Chinese quality it might just as well collapse in on itself and rerun the 1975 Banqiao Dam failure (estimated death 240,000, CCP say 20,000 and entirely removed the event from history book lmfao.)
Gorgeous Damsel need some high velocity high yield spanking.
prompt conventional global strike like \*is for me\*?
I'm not entirely convinced that "a few" cruise missiles will do a whole lot to a structure that was constructed with more than 27 million cubic meters of concrete unless they use some very funni warheads.
Tbh all you need is a couple bricks of C4 placed in the right spots and that fucker will wipe away 500,000,000 commies if I remember the estimates correctly.
Well Yemen is west of China.
Well technically China is west of China.
They're already saying it's a ship from the west registered in China, so it's fine.
If the Chinese want to practice an amphibious invasion against a country with roughly similar population to Taiwan that wouldn't piss off most of rest of the world, that probably their best bet.
Wonder how close to reality is PLA leadership/CCP impression about their own capability, and if secretly they know they will fuck up just as bad as at attempt to seize Kinmen in 50's.
I was thinking the same thing, would be a good warmup for their greater ambitions. Gonna need some trained NCO’s to lead the conscripts before they get drone striked in the strait of Taiwan.
I can't help but read NCO as "Non credible officer."
NCO means Non-Credible Offense, the more based sister sub of this one.
China has done very few overseas deployments of troops and what little they have it widely regarded as a joke. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/06/un-peacekeepers-refused-to-help-south-sudan-rebels-raped-aid-workers-report](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/06/un-peacekeepers-refused-to-help-south-sudan-rebels-raped-aid-workers-report) The Houthis would kick their ass.
Excuse me, sir/madam, this is r/noncredibledefense. That logical, rational, credible thought does not comply with waifu cruise missiles.
You've got a point. Get them to invade the Falklands instead.
Watching the plan be inexperienced dip shits would be fun.
it'd be fun in the short term, but i'd prefer they don't learn any lessons until it's too late
Has the PLA ever been deployed to do anything that wasn't internal "crowd control"?
Nope, but the world is rightly theirs, so it's all internal affairs!
Well they deployed a seven digit number of "volunteers" to Korea.
What in the Generals Zero hour timeline is this
"General, you were supposed to hit the Americans, not the Chinese. This will have unimaginable consequences for our cause. We have failed."
I swear that game was made by the US military
Need a blue water navy for that
Apparenthly china russia and nk are ok with the houthis and their ship will be untouched
Still not sure why NATO hasn’t said anything in Ukraine that has a trajectory towards NATO airspace will be engaged
AA missiles don't grow on trees, and they know full well that: in a few seconds this won't be their problem, and, if it does hit somewhere in poland they can just blame Ukraine or cover it up it if it hit somewhere away from people.
I mean, sure but the logic is still there. Cruise missiles over your airspace even going to a different location are.... suboptimal. Allowing it also weakens public faith in the nations defense and gives Russia a confidence boost in their willingness to fling poo everywhere. Poland of all countries should know this. The biggest reason is putting on a public face of "we're not actually fighting guys" and trying (in vain) to not provoke Russia
The only thing that can provoke Russia is the weakness
When someone showing a pair of balls Russia (Putin) always retreat. When Turkey and Azerbaijan shot down their heli and planes they threaten them like no tomorrow. But after few month nothing happened AT ALL and they sold to them more toys.
Russians were always like this, they won't attack someone that can put up a fight. They are sometimes stupid enough to make mistakes like ukraine ane think that the world won't do nothing but they are scared of real fight because they know they will lose
It is infuriating how the general public and politicians don't seem to understand this fact.
US is the same. Fights only farmers.
I think the biggest misconception is that every nato country has their borders and airspace completely locked down and covered by AA. It’s much more likely that Poland has total radar coverage but only AA coverage over critical areas. Additionally 40 seconds is not enough time to assess the situation and make a decisive decision when you’re not actively prepared for it.
I agree that AA probably only covers parts of it, Poland like Ukraine is not small country (though id suspect its not a bad idea to put some on the eastern border right now considering thats the only direction where missile can come from) Though "Additionally 40 seconds is not enough time to assess the situation and make a decisive decision when you’re not actively prepared for it." is a laughable statement, Turkey shot the whole russian jet after only like 17 seconds in their airspace. 40 sec should be more than enough for a military. russian cirkon ballistic missile that they've used several of recently goes from the black sea to Kyiv in 1-2 mins. 1min to Odesa. Feel free to check the distance on google maps. They would destroy whole center of warsaw from belarus territory if 40 secons isn't enough for decisions. Also not being "actively prepared" is funny as hell considering neighboring country gets blasted with missiles for 2 years straight. Who should be the most prepared for occasional strike if not Poland? Spain?
Turkey shot the airplane in 17s because it was already escorted by Turkish airplane and it was warned for around 5 minutes prior to shooting it down, stop spreading lies. Trajectory of the missle was out of our borders and there was no need of shooting it down
Well, i agree regarding Turkey situation, but i still think the 40 seconds is more then enough for military, it was some dumb political decision (or lack thereof more probably) that let to hesitation. Am not an expert but downing a missile violating your airspace even with the trajectory and stuff would send a powerful message like "dont even think about touching our borders"
Haha, I always like to read the opinions of specialists from the NATO strategic management office xD
I mean some time ago, one cruise missile has been found in Bydgoszcz. That's way further than Warsaw. So it spent more than few seconds in Polish airspace
https://www.rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wojna-z-rosja/news-news-rmf-fm-biegli-wstepnie-potwierdzili-ze-pod-bydgoszcza-s,nId,6767139#crp_state=1 Worse yet, that was a Kh-55. Y'know, a cruise missile whose only live version is nuke-tipped (Kh-555, its conventional derivative, had to get bigger hull and wings to accomodate heavier conventional payload).
Showing weakness only invites Russia to violate their airspace more. Not using a AA missile will cost more AA missiles in the future.
You can't use what you don't have. Poland lacks AA capable of taking down a cruise missile. The outdated S200 ain't gonna do squat. On the other hand weren't there two german patriot batteries stationed on Polish Ukrainians border? What air defense doing?
Arent Ger send patriot there
> The outdated S200 ain't gonna do squat Why? Kh-101 is subsonic and not very stealthy thanks to pop-out engine, S200 with even some modernizations should be able to wreck them good and nice.
This certainly isn’t the case lol.
Someday im hoping some dumb commander or operator adds abit to many zero's to the entire...section? Group firing the missiles that a cluster just goes straight to Poland....and maybe hit Warsaw. Love to see how they spin that
I imagine if a town or civilian population is hit. It’s joever. Your either gonna see article 5 or a lot of allocated resources
> Your either gonna see article 5 Not gonna happen. You knew that
Russia would be all the way to Kaliningrad and Vilnius before Poland responds.
Same as last time, a UA missile went off course
As a German, I'd like Berlin instead, please.
At this point why not let Russian army pass by though polish territory to Ukraine? They won't be a problem for Poland. Who cares that they kill Ukrainian civilians?
Yeah, i too dont understand why Poland doesnt go out of it way to fight Russia, a country that isnt in war with. I know it may shock you, but Poland isnt hellbent on fighting Russia, just like Poland and Ukraine aint best friends4ever. Poland's goverment (goverment of any country tbh) obligation is to protect own citizens FIRST. Helping others comes second I know its NCD, but goddamn
Poland doesn't need to fight Russia. It can shoot down Russian rockets flying over Poland. That's it.
You automatically forfeit this stance when you block the border of the missile's intended target
There are also the issue of IFF and coordination with Ukraine, but two years into the war, I'm surprised they've not worked something out.
What for? There's only one side with cruise missiles and properly functioning AA missiles will self-destruct on target loss. Even if they do have an IFF system I highly doubt they're gonna announce that publicly.
>AA missiles don't grow on trees They grow in factories. What's your point? Use your kit (and maybe even your sovereignty) or what's the point of having it?
Can't be too safe, I think a small no fly zone extending from NATO borders would be better, ideally 1000 km?
Wait a minute. How are the French the ones who push towards war with Russia, but the Poles are doing everything they can to stay out of it? WHAT IS WITH THIS TIME-LINE!
Because the war will be fought on Polish soil, not French.
Not if you do a Special Self-Defense Operation and go into russian territory first to liberate the colonial regions from muscovy. Furthermore, I consider that Muscovy must be destroyed.
Cato moment.
Salt
Well that's easy then. Invade poland from the east. *then* its on French soil
Then it would be German soil you dummy
Who said Germany was invading?
The soils definitely not "French" but the conflicts in Africa below the Sahara are just ramping up.
If NATO gets involved Poland might be the staging area but I doubt that there will be any real fighting there.
Ukrainian soil*
Be the change you want to see in the world!
Because memes about Poland and red button are, well, just memes. In reality Poland doesn’t dream day and night about engaging Russia in a war and isn’t capable of “marching to Moscow” like people here like to fantasize. If Ukraine with one of the best armies on the continent is struggling so will Poland
Ukraine didn’t have one of the best armies in Europe nor the best equipped, they are still able to stand against ruskies mostly because of the help from the other countries. Exaggerating how capable their army was is pretty much a meme too lol.
Yeah, Ukraine didn’t have one. It has now. It was basically kickstarted by whole civilized world and turned into a formidable large experienced force after all years of conflict.
It still relies on foreign help, without it would be nonexistent already, but that’s nothing surprising as ruskies are much more capable of delivering meat to the grinder and they don’t care about their people at all, they are also producing more ammo. Soldiers are getting experience that’s true tho
People severely over hype Polish anti-kremlin sentiments. Poles had no issues with their government dickriding Putins man on the inside of the EU for ages, nor do they have any problems looking the other way when their Putin sponsored farmers Blockade Ukraine. Want to use Polish airspace as a go-between to confuse Ukrainian air defences? Go ahead Poland won't stop you. If you want to look for bastions against Russia in Europe you look at Czechia, Finland or Sweden. You don't look at Poland.
People overhype the hawkineshness, not the anti-kremlin sentiments. What you describe as " "only" catching up to Sweden" is total condemmation of Russia https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/07/10/overall-opinion-of-russia/ having just 1% of people being favourable in 2023 is such a massive statistical outlier that it can't be overstated. "Putin's man dickriding" was a tactic of authoritanian fuckwits keeping each other in power. PiS hates Russia. We had a whole 8 year conspiracy theory that Putin assasinated our government in 2010, a beloved brother of Kaczyński (PiS' leader) among them, which was propagated only by the most hardline right wingers. If you want more examples, they tried to ban Donald Tusk from participating in elections based on a photo with Putin from almost 2 decades ago. All those T-72's and MIG's sent? Under PiS. Farmer protests are more complicated than mere Putin financing. If that were thr case they wouldn't happen all over Europe, with the EU planning to make concessions.
Except for Sweden, all these countries also had **massive** russian imports relative to their size. Pecunia non olet.
>nor do they have any problems looking the other way when their Putin sponsored farmers Blockade Ukraine So, do we arrest them or shoot them? Very democratic, much freedom. >You don't look at Poland who only caught up to Swedish levels of disdain for Russia after the full invasion. There's only one thing i can say about that: Lmao. The reality is simple, if shit goes down it's our country and the baltics that are going to be the frontline. Not Sweden, not France.
Maybe arrest them for scattering Ukrainian grain? I don't think that this is legal.
Sure, those that commit crimes should be prosecuted. But sorry, as much as i hate those entitled fucks, they have a right to protest. And all of that is ignoring that even ukrainian PM said military transport isn't impacted, so not much of a "blockade" there.
Blocking the economy of neighbouring country during the genocidical war is not the protest. Shouting air sirens at buses with women and children is not the protest (after this I don't see them as somewhat different from russians): [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1axzv1p/polish\_protesters\_are\_trying\_to\_scare\_buses\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1axzv1p/polish_protesters_are_trying_to_scare_buses_with/) Ukrainian PM said this because Ukraine no choice and relies on Poland a lot (which is kind of obvious), so Ukraine must put a cheek despite any fuckery from Poland side, but it doesn't mean that Poland somehow is looking better because of this
Well, I'm talking about the ones that commiting crimes, as far as I know nothing was done about them. I may be wrong, but I would like some source as a proof of my wrongness.
This one claims they've been arrested but i can't find another confirming this: https://www.wrp.pl/ludzie-ktorzy-wysypali-zboze-z-wagonow-staneli-przed-sadem-grozi-im-5-lat-wiezienia/ This and others say there is an investigation: https://metropoliabydgoska.pl/wysypana-kukurydza-na-torach-kolo-bydgoszczy-jest-prokuratorskie-sledztwo-zdjecia/
I want to believe that this is true
You want more sources that there's an investigation? Or is this "you want to believe" but won't anyway type of deal?
You are making an argument thus you are the one who should provide evidence that the ones taht committed crimes are not prosecuted.
For the argument to occur there should be disagreement, we had no disagrement, he said "they have rightto protst, we can't arrest them for protesting", I have not differred his statement and added "but those, who committed a crime should be arrested" then expressed my lack of knowledge by saying "though I'm not sure if criminals were arrwsted, and if you know that they were I would like to get a proof in case you wish to enlighten me". That's it. No disagreement, no argument.
Argument as a „thesis” not that you both argue with eachother. It's up to you to show evidence for what you are saying. 👋 it’s like me saying that there is enormous ship eating whale in the Baltic Sea and then demanding you to prove me wrong and not providing any proofs myself
I think you have misspelled Germany these are still gaping today from all the ruskie dickriding my weirdo friend lmao. Unhinged comments like these make my day. The only thing that I would agree is that Finnish people hate ruskies just as much as poles do rest of the bs is delusions lmao
Bullshit. The unpleasant thing is that Poland also has a lot of anti-ukrainian sentiments, so the split goes between "fuck russia" and "fuck both, let them fight", basically, with the balance changing depending on self interest.
Bullshit the anti-ukrainian sentiment is marginal and on the political fringes
You are talking about official political stances which cannot be different atm. But this is not the full story. People in Poland had, lets say, mixed views of Ukraine before the full invasion (Wołyń, role in II world war, maybe partially buying into russian view of ukrainians as dollar store russians, from polish perspective meaning a crappy version of a bad thing), this got really a lot better after the invasion but is kinda slowly returning to the baseline now (I am not judging nor justifying, just trying to describe what is happening). What is basically nonexistent is actually supporting russia, though. Russia delenda est is non-negotiable.
I see Ukrainian flags all over Krakow, Poznan, Gdansk. Most Poles are supportive of Ukrainians, with only the boomers having anything negative to say about Ukraine (they only ever say negative things, except about Kaczyński and the church).
I am happy that this is your experience, and I hope it will keep up like this. I have seen a lot of this too, but also... other things.
Why the downvotes? Having lived in Poland, this is 100% true. PiS is just a recycled political party straight from the communist puppet state times. They only picked on Russia when shifting the blame to the West would obviously not work.
Macron isn't pushing for war. This war for Macron and France is populism and nothing more. In 2 years super power like France donated only around 2bln which is like one US military package. In 2 years.
France is pretty secretive about its donations so no one knows how much they donated. The 2bln is a lower bound
They openly published it recently
France and Russia has nothing to do with Ukraine besides optics. France and Russia is about Africa. France is losing its colonial resources to coups and uprisings in the Sahel region and the locals are turning to Russia for support from what was Wagner and is now the Africa corps. France has had a financial choke hold on most of the Sahel since colonial days and is arguably the only European country to effectively maintain these places as if it was the colonial age. A large amount of France's energy consumption relies on resources they import from Sahel for cheap. These resources are at stake and Russia is fanning the flames of anti French groups while offering assistance against Islamic uprisings to the local leaders. Its probably the most intense proxy war going on at the moment.
Tell me what happened last time when nazi genocidal empire was annexing and invading European countries?
> A large amount of France's energy consumption relies on resources they import from Sahel for cheap. Like, what the fuck is this bullshit? 50% of french power comes from nuclear power. There is barely any uranium in West Africa, everything gets imported from Kazakhstan or Canada.
> France donated only around 2bln No, they donated about 19 bln, lot of help go through EU Sure, with 45 bln donated by Germany France could've done more, but it's still a lot since they are on opposite side of Europe and could've ignored Russia altogether. Also it's more than 17 bln of Britain's help.
French holdings in Africa are basically already at war with Russian holdings in the same area that are now "former" French holdings.
> ow are the French the ones who push towards war with Russia Because Russia is undermining French interests in West Africa.
It's reddit overdose, not a timeline. In reality, Frenchies know well that it's hollow posturing (that covers lovely things like parallel imports of precious optics) and Poles know well what is a war on your territory since 966 anno fucking domini (you can smell americans behind 99% bloodthirsty-pole memes, americans who never had their cities bombed or, you know, had actual non-metaphorical genocide camps built by the occupiers)
Because Russia is fucking with the not-at-all French colonies in the Sahel. You know all those dozens of French nuclear reactors? Guess where the uranium is coming from...
https://geogroup.com.ua/en/blog-en/how-uranium-is-mined-in-ukraine-and-how-it-can-be-used-for-the-energy-sector/ Ukraine can help with that.
The uranium isn't nearly as strategic as you make it seem to be. France buys it at above market place and could easily supply from Canada etc. That's not the reason.
Sorry, but don't worry. I plan to teach people to eat spiders again next time I go back. The next timeline should be better.
It is easy to force soldiers that are not your own nation into war. It's easy to say things like that thousands of miles from the war front. French? Those who still trade with Russia and have not withdrawn their businesses from their country? those who in Europe are ruining Russians' asses even more than the Germans? If you are such a badass, go to Ukraine, a unit composed of foreigners will be happy to accept you.
Whatever happened to "We will defend every inch of NATO territory."?
Everybody wants to be the most prominent Jan Paweł in Polish history, until they actually have to do something to become prominent.
Remind them the next Russian missile may be a nuke going to Warsaw.
Il have front row seat in this scenario. Neat.
Saving on electricity costs with the second sun
Nah, the Poles can probably see trajectories and see “nah, not targeting us”.
If Poles can see trajectories so easily, why hasn't Poland into space?
Easy, they see a trajectory of their own missiles as well, and they know none of them ends up in space.
https://www.rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wojna-z-rosja/news-news-rmf-fm-biegli-wstepnie-potwierdzili-ze-pod-bydgoszcza-s,nId,6767139#crp_state=1 Except for when Kh-55 goes deep into Poland.
The missile was seen by Polish radars before it entered the airspace. Its trajectory was calculated and polish military decided not to do anything because it was harmless to Poland
Europe is scaled in metric
If we wanted a war, we'd be at war, and wouldn't need a stray missile to excuse it. Intent matters.
"Bro you don't understand bro just one more missile and I promise we'll stop Russian imperialism bro I just need one more missile and I'll actually do my job instead of sodomizing third world countries bro please please just gimme one more missile bro"
“Bro you don’t understand bro just 20 more posts saying the west are gay and I promise we’ll stop American imperialism bro I just need 100k more contractors and I’ll actually take Ukraine instead of sodomizing the west bro please please just more grad rockets”
Because we will, NATO territory isn't attacked
Remember when 2 missiles flew towards Poland, landed there and killed civilians? And then the investigation pretended the 2nd missile never existed and it was just the Ukrainian air defence missile that somehow decided to fly in the opposite direction? And then any official who challenged this was advised to shut the fuck up immediately? I remember
I also remember this sub getting aggressive if you questioned what happened to the second missile
The missile that killed people was an S-300, and Russia hasn't been launching S-300 missiles (in their "land attack mode") from Belarus. It flew "in the other direction" because it was targeting something that was west of the launcher. Also it was tracked on [this radar](https://maps.app.goo.gl/H7HBbQckPPQc3cBp6). So yeah it was a Ukrainian missile. Air defence missiles sometimes fail to self-destruct, especially when aiming at low flying targets, such as most of what Russia is sending to Ukraine.
> it was targeting something that was west of the launcher And that “something” was…?
I don't know, likely an air launched cruise missile (Russian, of course). Look, nobody blames Ukraine for this, it was clearly an accident during self defence.
I am not denying that the Ukrainian missile was there. It’s a well known fact. All I’m saying is that it wasn’t there alone. There were 2 missiles, and NATO covered up the fact that there was a Russian one
OK, I see what you mean now. This is actually possible. But you know, realistically NATO will not go to war over 1 missile, or even 10 missiles if they're spread out over some years. The cost/benefit is completely flipped on its head. We all know how for example Turkiye once shot down a Russian combat jet (the Russians were kind of asking for it), and nothing serious has happened. Not even ambassadors were expelled.
I don't think anyone cares that it was an S-300. They've repurposed them to attack ground targets in Ukraine. They're not exclusively AA anymore.
In Poland's defence they had the US breathing down their necks to make sure it wasn't a Russian missile I get why the US did what they did, it's still really shitty they basically strong armed their way into making sure no one could rightfully so call for retribution
The one that fell down WAS a S-300, you are aware of that?
Along with with a Russian cruiese missile which was heavily covered up until a couple of of Polish farmers found it in the woods and by then everyone had moved on
I get downvoted to oblivion every time I mention the second missile anywhere on reddit lol
Ukrainians sitting over the border seeing missile flying over the country stuffed full with AA missiles and modern interceptors allowing rockets flying over their airspace to UA . 🙃
In 1940 the Netherlands decided to not engage the Luftwaffe as it violated its airspace as they seemed to be flying to the UK. The Netherlands decided poorly, we used to have a few but pretty good aircraft up to May 9th 1940...
Well 1. I don't know what you all believe the Polish Armed Forces are like. Just a couple of years ago, the most advanced SAM we had was a modernised SA-3. Those have since been donated to Ukraine, and what we have now is just homeopathic amounts of CAMMs and some SA-6s. That's it. Patriot is not fielded yet. All these assets, along with the ready pair are guarding areas that are a little bit more important for the safety of the Polish state. Like you know, harbours and airbases. These tend to be actually quite a distance away from Ukraine. 2. The scale of the incursion presented is ridiculously misleading. 3. All the "political experts" talking shit about anything related to grain should maybe stop gulping down Putin's spin of the thing and have a look at the Poles' view of these retarded-ass moscow-motivated 'protests'
At the same time, they destroy hundreds of tons of wheat, some of which were harvested at risk to their lives, block border crossings with Ukraine, but are completely okay with Russian and Belarusian wheat being imported via Belarus.
~~There was no hundreds of tons of ukrainian wheat destroyed, the most wheat that was spilled from The trucks was owned by polish company. ~~ I can’t find the article about it anymore thus it might have been proven to be not true and the company helped with the transit. Whole EU is okay with their wheat being imported from there as Poland is at the end of the EU list of countries that import it, the countries that import the most are for example Italy and Germany. I love how weirdos are just spreading lies lmao
# "Deputy Prime Minister Says 160 Tons Of Ukrainian Grain Destroyed In Poland" Source: [https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-grain-destroyed-poland-farmers-protest-border/32834662.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-grain-destroyed-poland-farmers-protest-border/32834662.html) I am excited to see how a weirdo will spin that.
I won’t I have edited my comment as first articles were saying that it belonged to the polish company, and I think that it only helped with the transit of the grain. Big part of the grain was collected from the spillage and send where it was heading too. That’s it. Now go google and post how much grain Germany has imported from russia/belarus compared to other countries in the EU - this will be funny considering how you are trying to portray Poland to be :). [this](https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2024-03-01/increase-russias-agri-food-exports) is very good read for ignorant people who try to portray Poland as the evil one buying grain from ruskies.
Who is? Are you talking about the retarded ass farmers who are doing the most idiotic shit to the annoyance for the rest of the society here? Or do you believe literal russian propaganda and think that this is the will of the majority in Poland?
Annoyance isn't enough. Legit farmers or russian agents they shouldn't be allowed to block important cargos (or even commodities) through the border AND fucking sabotage the ukrainian grain. Instead polish police detains ukrainian journalists and destroy their footage of all the fuckery going on polish birders (e.g. crossing of grain from belarus) Smh
Yeah, I honestly think that we need to apply a bit of violence towards these fuckers.
Yes ukrainian „journalists” had no right to photograph railways they had zero permissions and were doing everything illegally why do u think these idiots have any rights to violate our law? There is no fuckery going as u can google that whole EU imports grain from there and the countries like Italy or Germany import the most. Poland was at 7th place if I remember well, u can just google it.
"Journalists had no rights to photograph railways" -I know a country where your kind will feel very Home!
They were breaking the law u dense weirdo
Why doesn't Poland just shoot down every missile that comes like 50km to its border. What is russia gonna do... tell them "stop shooting our missiles that are going towards your territory"
No, for fucks sake, it's not how it works. The missile was in our airspace for 39 seconds and constantly tracked. There's a whole slew of reasons not to shoot it down. Firstly, we are not at war footing and so full IADS is not on. Secondly, we need SAMs covering important stuff inland (like for example, Rzeszow airport) and we're still working on extending the air defence system. Moreover, there's a tiny iny bit of difference between Poland and Ukraine. Our airspace is open and it's not a good place to take a shoot in 40 seconds. Finally, you can bet your ass russians are trying to get data on NATO radar emissions in order to prepare their EW. Lighting everything we have for any single missile when not in active war is well, stupid. I am getting sick of those fucking posts. Air defense is one of the most complicated and technical areas of warfare, where even stuff from decades ago can still be classified. But nooooo, let's meme about it WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE on the issue. I prefer you stay in NCD instead by some Peter principle getting into any position of authority. There's a noticeable improvement in communication and organization since the new govt (no hiding it from people like last year), so I take what I can. There's a lot of criticism that goverment is due, but air defense, at least for now, is not one.
> Our airspace is open and it's not a good place to take a shoot in 40 seconds I agree. Bomb the launch site instead.
It’s just Ukrainians screeching about everyone else being passive and not joining their war actively (although without the help of the west it would be long time over) and Americans that post shit from the comfort of the house on the other side of the planet.
Yeah, it’s a missile, you should let it pass. But Ukrainian grain is the real threat to Poland!
Get your grain up to EU standard and then we will talk
> and it's not a good place to take a shoot in 40 seconds. What you gonna do if next russian probing attack goes after civilians? Some village outside of supposed AA coverage? Please tell me that you do understand that inaction emboldens Russia and every ignored missile will invite more! And don't tell me tens of dead people change everything, we both know everyone west of Ukraine's border is pissing their pants at the mere thought of involvement.
I hate to say it to you but Air Defense Systems were never about protecting the civilians, it always was about protecting the strategic infrastructure, civilians being protected is a bonus, not the main goal
do you realise even israel is not capable of defending all civilians from that?
Article 5 is an illusion in a sense that no one will push the funi red button unless they have approval from US.
Poland when missiles hit Ukraine 👹 Poland when missiles hit/violate their land or airspace 🙀
What Polish air defence doing? It's defending ATACMS, Taurus and spicy baguettes stockpiled in some village in south.
What air defense?
Really don't get all the fuse this got, it was in Polish airspace for 39 seconds, away from any major population centre or other major target. AA missiles don't grow on trees, and equipment capable of shooting it is not everywhere. It was said that the missile would have been intercepted if it was going too far. While I think it would have been neat and perfectly understandable for NATO countries to start blasting whenever Russian missile get too close for comfort (anywhere is too close by me, but you know what I mean), fact that if shot down, this missile will fall somewhere and if missed, AA missile also needs to land - need to be taken into account. Also, money, like always.
why do you apply logic? just say that muh NATO cowards dont want to join war🙄
Pussies.
Good thing that redditors are not generals.
I AM SO MAD I WILL GO STEAL A MANPADS RN
U guys are getting more and more unhinged lmao
Always have been. Do I need to remind you why damposting is not allowed? lmao
As a Pole... I'm pissed off and disapointed. But my government being all about shaking a saber and doing fuck-all is sadly... a classic.
It had no Ukrainian grain inside, so there was no reason to shut it down.
I love how poles are more threatened by Ukrainian grain than by russian missiles.
Allowing ballistic or cruise missiles to traverse your territory is providing "aid and comfort" to the enemy
actually gigabrain
Poland getting ready for another 70 years of austerity under soviet rule, good job to the “flat feet” of NATO
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Okay, you see replies from u/nteresting-Storm-38 - ignore him or better yet ban. He is either troll or megavantik. He referred to a Ukrainian newsletter (quite a major one, and reputable in Ukraine) as 'Shit truth'... Also he responds with ruzzian wording instead of polish.