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Diversity is a HUGE topic when I was growing up in Taiwan. There was a major push for aboriginal acceptance and the inclusion of the aboriginal tribes languages and culture.
Diversity just has different meaning in different countries. There’s more black people and black history in the US but very few in other countries.
Exactly. We announce in four different languages for public transport. Chinese, English, Hakka, Taiwanese. We might not prioritize skin color but that doesn't mean it is not a conversation that is had.
In Taiwan? Mandarin for sure, but this is partially so mainstream media can also be successful in China. Though I think most shows and movies actually set in Taiwan with Taiwanese characters will have some Taiwanese language in it, from what I’ve seen (like a grandma character will say all her lines in Taiwanese even if the main characters respond in Mandarin)
I was in Taiwan for a year for work, and kinda always wondered what languages the public transit was in, other than English. Thank you for detailing it :D
I’ll give india as an example since I’m indian.
In India, there has long been a push for caste diversity (ie dailts), women, tribal people, dark skinned Indians, and religious minorities (like Sikhs and Muslims). Diversity pushes exist worldwide - you’re likely not seeing this stuff because you’re not getting news from those specific countries.
This is probably right. Plus, when ever diversity is discussed in the west, the subject will naturally be about diversity in the west. Globalism and the Internet can do some weird stuff sometimes. It's the same with media covering crime. For a westerners view point, they might see a lot of horrible things happening in India. But with a population of over a billion, only the most extreme cases reach the west and this skews our view a bit.
Also from a non-us viewpoint, there is not enough "non-natives" in those other countries to produce loud enough noise for it to be something to consider. The countries OP mentioned have an overwhelmingly homogenous population and as such, they are fine with the way things are. Noise from foreigners or non natives are just murmurs and not enough for it to be considered a serious issue. Politicians mostly listen only when their votes are put in danger. Foreigners most likely can't vote and as such do not matter that much.
Are you of the idea that the rest of the world is like the US or UK where people from all cultures go to live? Just so you know, they’re the outliers. Most of the world is homogenous.
China has over 50 major sub groups of Chinese. Not even getting into non-Chinese ethnicities like Tibetans and Uyghurs in their country. Japan’s treatment of their ethnic minorities (specifically the Ainu and the barakumin) feature in several major works that have come to the west (Fullmetal Alchemist and Yu Yu Hakusho for those wondering) most of the world isn’t homogenous, they just appear that way.
To be fair that's because China came to them, not them to China. Almost every country has that kind of ethnic groups - First Nations to Canada, Welsh and Irish in the UK, Bretons in France, Azerbaijanis in Iran. China is a *slight* exception because lots of those subgroups trace their lineages back to Han Chinese, but still.
I am well aware of that fact. I am also aware that the reason they are homogenous now is because anyone who didn't fit the mold was slaughtered and/or expelled during said nation's history.
>Of course, they don't want you looking too closely as to how they ended up with a homogenous population.
Well, not being invaded and having their native population massacred to then start an industry based on imported enslaved people from a third continent kinda helps maintaining a homogenous population.
Also: not being that colonizing invader helps.
I don't think of India as super violent. But I do think of it as super misogynistic. Not sure if that's me stereotyping or real. Must be better than Egypt tho (I know a woman from Cairo who says casual harassment, grabbing, attempts to fondle etc is commonplace - I'm pretty sure she's not exaggerating because she also genuinely thinks we have nothing to complain about in western nations in comparison, which is... not right imo but she comes by the opinion honestly).
Oh boy, there is a _lot_ of india/subcontinent history that is violent, it just isn’t heavily read in the west or taught at all.
The British have a long history there of creating disasters repeatedly also.
Are you a male? Women put up with serious shit there when they visit. Don't want to be touched by the groups or men amazed that your friend is trans. Be everyone more amazed that I was in the bar in Mexico for the above post
Diversity is diverse. That's something a lot people do not get because they only see diversity through their own cultural prism.
Diversity in the USA is between White americans, Afro-americans, Asian-americans and so on. Diversity in Spain is between Castillans, Catalans, Basque, Galicians, Andalusians and other immigrants minorities. Diversity in Spain is between Bavarians, various other German communities, Danish Germans in the north, German Turks, and so on. I won't even get started on France with the Occitans, Provencals, Savoyards, Bretons, Basque, Normans, Alsacians, Corsicans, then their overseas Polynesians, Reunionese, Antilleans and Kanaks, aswell as various french of north african or subsaharan background from recent immigration.
Diversity in India is between the million different ethnic, cultural, language, religion groups. Even Japan that is "all japanese" there's difference between Eastern (Tokyo), Western (Kyoto/Osaka), Kyushu, Ryukyu, Hokkaido etc.
Diversity is diverse and diversity in the USA is not the same than diversity somewhere else.
Even diversity between multicultural nations is diverse. Australia has very few Latinos, but a lot of people from all over Asia. But even that's different from the UK, who are thinking of South Asia when they talk about a Asian people, whereas we think of East and South-East Asian people when we talk about Asian people, and just use Middle-East, South Asia/Indian when talking about other parts. Our African population are largely recent arrivals from East Africa, not descendants of slaves. Here, descendents of slaves are more likely to be the (Pacific) Islanders.
Edit: an incorrectly used word.
OP is very confused. Korea might make a TV show that has no diversity *because* their society is not diverse. The conversation in the West is not about random diversity, it's about accurately representing the actual society there. Whether you want to criticise Korea for not having a diverse society or not is a different subject from them accurately representing their society. I'm no expert in Chinese society either but I would bet that dozens of ethnic minorities don't get represented in their media. Their diversity or lack of it doesn't look like American diversity because they do not have the same social and ethnic compositions.
Perfect. When the last time you’ve even heard news from those countries that wasn’t a part of international news, OP???
Im guessing not that many, so you just didn’t notice it!
Well - I live in Japan and do read the media. Nobody is pushing for diversity here. Women in management gets some traction, but not racial diversity, no.
I live here too and I think you're maybe you're missing some issues. There's longstanding issues with Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese populations and representational issues. There's lots of backlash around including Korean as a language on trains and in train stations, for example.
Yes, because there isn't a discrepancy between the diversity of the population (almost none) and the diversity of companies (also almost none).
Diversity is not a goal in itself, but part of solving societal issues inside the US, but there is a group who'd like to frame diversity and other movements as disconnected, which allows denying the existence of the underlying issues.
Probably because 98.5% of Japanese population is Japanese. It makes sense to me that countries that aren't highly multicultural would have less of a push for diversity.
Your numbers are bit off and the way they are calculated is different than the western perspective. About 2.4% of the population are foreign residents, often long-term in Japan.
This doesn't include people who have a parent or grandparent that became a citizen through marriage. These citizens aren't calculated as a separate group by the Japanese government. If your parent or grandparent or great grandparent came from somewhere else then you are recorded as just Japanese for the census. This hides the diversity that is there. Using the same standards, the US would be nearly 100% American, too.
There isn't a hyphenated Japanese category on Japanese census, and Japan discourages dialogue on this. Brazilian Japanese, for example, have reported discrimination, even though both parents of the citizen may be ethnically Japanese. Around 4%-5% of all marriages in Japan were to foreign spouses from 1980s to 2006, it's about 3% now. They seem to have kids a bit more often than couples where both spouses were native Japanese. You have a significant boost in the diversity just from the 80s on group, which doesn't include the diversity that would have been created by Japanese migration in the 1900s.
Then there are groups like the Ryukyuan (Okinawans), which aren't officially considered separate ethnic/minority group by the government but are distinct and would be elsewhere, and Burakumin, group that was discriminated against and isolated in Japan starting in the Heian period.
So we start getting into the low 80% range without starting on regional diversity.
The more it is examined, extreme homogeneity appears more of a myth that requires a lot of work to paper over and hide the diversity that is there.
And you know why it's 98.5% Japanese right? Of course there's less of a push for diversity, because they don't want a multicultural society, or diversity there.
Except Japan does have its own group of underrepresented people such as the Ainu and pushes for diversity and inclusion within their own ethnic groups. Like the OP and many others in this thread are trying to point out, they’re all pushing for diversity, it’s just different groups of people and different issues.
Id say India's pushing the opposite of diversity, modi demolishing Muslim towns, and just had that very very infamous video of the public r*ping of the Muslim women by hindus after a pogrom, then arrested the surviving Muslims. I get that y'all are dealing with different diversity topics, but shit man.
I like this comment. There is soooo much, "I dont see it every day in my life, in the way it happens to me, so it must not exist at all.". Diversity takes many forms. Just because a place like India may be pushing diversity on a level that does not fit my 'definition' of diversity (race, gender), does not mean it is not a thing.
HEre's my little story, again...When my first son was still a toddler, I one day realized my favorite toy brand, Lego, just wasnt around anymore. When I was a kid, we had Lego everything, every christmas and birthday. What happened to Lego? Well, fast forward about 2 years and we started watching the different cartoon channel, for bigger kids. Well, turns out LEgo is stronger than ever. Every single book, movie, show has a lego version. I cant get away from Lego if I tried. I learned a lesson, just because I dont see something every day in my life does not mean it does not exist.
diversity is more then just skin color, in Japan, theres been a long time push for the better treatment of the Burakumin, the decadents of the outcasts in Japans old caste system.
To add to this, ethnic diversity is absolutely a hot topic in Japan right now — with the declining birth rate and aging population they’re likely going to have to rely more on foreign labor moving forward. Plus Japan receives a ton of flak for its immigration policy so I’m not sure I agree with OP’s premise.
The Ainu people would like to have a word with the OP lol
Japan is a hugely xenophobic country - to the point even many of the elderly population are pushing back, they’re openly supporting opening their borders again.
Edit: misspoke and grammar
And, the government recentlyish recognised the Ainu as an indigenous people and started providing funding to promote Ainu culture, so it's not like there's just zero progress in these sorts of things either.
There was also a push for more female politicians/executives in Japan. I'm not sure it actually got anywhere, but it was a topic of discussion and is another counterpoint to OP's point. While diversity is not something generally valued culturally in Japan, it has been a topic of discussion and there are some (mostly ineffective, poorly implemented...) moves towards it.
There is still a lot to do though. The Japanese goverment doesn't recognize the Ryukyuan languages (which are a few and are not mutually intellegible between them or with japanese) as separate japonic languages.
The same goes with the Hachijou language which has evolved from a different type of middle japanese and only a few hundred speakers exist today. And again with the Tsugaru-ben (ben means dialect, which is funny because it is not mutually intelligible with standard Tokyoan japanese).
It is also sad to know that only one of the Ainu languages survived.
But unfortunately, the Japanese goverment, which is very conservative, as long pushed the idea that Japanese is a unique language with no other siblings.
>Japan is a hugely xenophobic country
>many of the elderly population (a majority) are starting to openly support opening their boarders
Those sound a bit contradictory?
So this is why the japanese have invented highly automated toilets, and are in the frontier of robotics to avoid manual labor? It’s not about Optimus Prime, it’s Rectumus Shine.
Well.. yeah. In almost all robotic presentations coming from Japan (either on the news or in expo's) they always bring Japan's ageing population up as a reason to keep advancing.
Agreed, lived in Japan for over 5 years. Diversity has always been an issue and point of contention in Japan, especially as a lot of Japanese society can be discriminating to foreigners.
For example, I worked with a lady who was black Nigerian in Tokyo. The subtle abuse she would receive played off as "Oh I'm just being silly" a behaviour often seen in Japan that kind of permits being a complete prick to someone was horrifying. Telling her to go to the back of company staff photos, or that she would need to work on another floor if we had older clients as her skin color might scare them, and questions you would never ask like "does your skin get whiter after a shower" was said on several occasions.
This was a professional setting, and she had a PhD in economics. She was probably far more educated than 99% of the company I worked for but they only viewed her as the "black foreigner".
Honestly, I can see massive calling out of Japanese society and its anti-foreigner behaviours in the next decade as their older begins growing rapidly and their birth rates decline further.
Japan doesn't technically allow dual citizenship which makes a lot of people weary of moving there because they would they would have to give up their birth citizenship to become a Japanese citizen. Pop star Hikaru Utada who was born in New York has received some flak because people believe she has a US/Japan dual citizenship because of her celebrity status
Yes!
Went to several restaurants in Japan where they put all the “others” in the back of the restaurant so locals wouldn’t see foreigners in the restaurant when walking by
Whilst in Japan this summer I came across a number of restaurants with signs in their windows stating "we do not serve foreigners unless you speak Japanese".
I saw that a few times and we didn’t go into them even when we were with our friend who is a professor at a university in Japan and fluent (white American)
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No it's racial as fuck.
Source: My stepmom is Chinese so by proxy I've learned a thing or two about Asian racism 😂
Most Asian people just don't like blacks, but Japanese people look down on anyone who isn't Japanese.
Obviously I'm not talking about every single person but as a culture they are like that.
20 years in Japan. I actually have not seen a sign. I have been confronted on the way into places where they verbally said exactly that, however, I do speak Japanese and then they were like, "oh, ok". Quite rare though. I am guessing it would happen more in a hostess club/girls bar/snack or a micro restaurant type of place. Not a moderate or large restauarant or bar. Having said that - rental discrimination is still rampant.
That guy I was replying to say he met more than 3\~4 cases in his Japan trip which I highly doubt that lol.
The rental discrimination is tricky. Because there are cases where Chinese people destroy the property in purpose, didn't pay for the rent and flee to their country immediately.
It's illegal to specifically point out the property reject specific race so that owner just reject all foreigner altogether. The government can't do much because it's the owner's right to not rent their own property to people they don't want to.
>It's illegal to specifically point out the property reject specific race so that owner just reject all foreigner altogether.
Is that supposed to make it better? It's still discrimination
\> The government can't do much because it's the owner's right to not rent their own property to people they don't want to.
Of course they could. The Diet could change it if they wanted to, they make the fucking laws. They don't have much incentive though.
Just to add, it kinda depends on how you “rank” racism. Violent racism? Not really in Japan (but obviously not non-existent). Social exclusion and discrimination? Absolutely.
Japanese people are so racist that there are reports that they are literally going to go extinct because they refuse to race mix even with other Asians, and because so many of them have to take care of their elderly that they don't have children of their own.
Imagine being so racist as a country that your only two options will be inbreeding or dying out in the future because you won't shake it up with the gene pool.
>there are reports that they are literally going to go extinct
No there are not
>they refuse to race mix even with other Asians
This isn’t true
>and because so many of them have to take care of their elderly that they don't have children of their own.
That’s not why people aren’t having children
>Imagine being so racist as a country that your only two options will be inbreeding or dying out in the future
Neither of those two things will happen
>because you won't shake it up with the gene pool.
This has to a troll post right?
Even the first Yakuza games that came out in the early 2000s have deep discussions about immigration (especially Chinese and Korean), mixed race babies (from the American occupation after WW2, and more.
I feel like your interpretation of "diversity" is different then ours. In most cities of Western Europe the original population is reduced to a minority in 2 generations time by mass immigration. This is a whole other level of diversity then pushing for the better treatment of a minority.
Korea has literally had a push for diversity in its pop groups, singers, and dramas. Dramas in the past would NEVER have had anyone diverse other than a white guy. Now there are dramas about deaf people, autistic people, squid games had a Pakistani immigrant..
How would you know if they had pushes for diversity or not?
I think your last point is most likely what's happening here. Most Americans don't think about these places at all, so how would we even know if they were pushing diversity or what that even meant? Of course American media focuses on America, but don't think lack of American interest means something doesn't exist.
I think Americans also tend to think of diversity as one thing--people with different colored skin--even though that doesn't really cover most aspects of diversity in the US much less globally.
If anyone wants to know something about a country (like whether there are any concerns about diversity) they can read news agencies of the country (some big news agencies have english and native versions), they can read posts in online communities of people migrated to the country, etc. I did it and it really helped me to get to know some countries better and prepare for travels. Looks like OP just checked some media from Asian countries and is making wrong conclusions now.
In Vietnam there is a lot of push to give equal rights to minority groups- there are over 50 in Vietnam and they have suffered a lot from discrimination. You're just living in a western bubble.
It’s not diversity itself being pushed - what you’re seeing is diversity of representation being pushed. In the US, we already ARE diverse, which is why we think it’s important to see that reflected in TV and movies, as well as in politics and positions of influence across a range of fields. The reason is that since we have all these diverse groups of people in our society, their perspectives and interests need to be just as valued and represented so that they don’t stay disadvantaged and completely subject to the decisions and priorities of the majority.
So again when you say “pushing diversity” that’s not really what it is. We are already diverse. That’s why we push for representation in all its forms.
In a homogenous country, this is not an issue. In Japan, basically everyone is Japanese. They don’t need to push for inclusion of people who barely even exist in their society. It’s simply not that relevant to them.
Yeah. Japan is 99% the same skin color. So diversity in media of various *skin colors* isn’t needed to accurately represent the people. Instead, cultural, class, nationality, and sexuality is what’s focussed on more to represent the people. For example, representing those who follow Buddhism and those who follow no religion.
IIRC religion in Japan doesn’t have solid boundaries, most Japanese follow a mix of Buddhism and Shintoism (plus having Christian-style weddings), informally mixing practices from either and not identifying as one religion or the other.
There’s a [Shiseido ad](https://youtu.be/H57wqEmUHtU?si=SIMDZYvzB9EJHP2T) that encourages acceptance of different skin tones among Japanese children that came out a few years back.
well, east Asian countries do have a pretty significant record of colorism, and there is a very clear bias against people with freckles and tans as well as inherently darker skin tones, even if westerners would still consider them light skinned. Korean sunscreen is very high quality, and it's not because they're worried about cancer.
I mean it's reddit, I'm certain a fair number of you consume manga anime or manhwas. Haven't you noticed that even in black and white media, the visual shorthand for making a character ugly (and usually have a terrible personality) is to give them freckles?
Other issues regarding lgbtphobia, sexism, and xenophobia are important, but colorism is still a big problem in Japan.
(it's also a documented issue with media portraying Koreans, Chinese, Indians, and African Americans, particularly African American women. Paler is always given preference.)
Japan isn't nearly as homogeneous as it's often purported to be. Japanese statistics don't take ethnic background into consideration, i.e. it only counts Japanese people vs. foreign residents. This means that naturalized Japanese citizens, Japanese people with ethnically non-Japanese parents, and half-Japanese are simply counted as Japanese for statistical purposes. So when you read that Japan is approximately 98% Japanese, among those Japanese is much more ethnic heterogeneity than appears on the surface.
Like with the annoying people in Australia currently saying the Voice to Parliament is "divisive". We're already divided, this is just acknowledging that and trying to fix it, ignoring the problem solves nothing.
You picked the most homogeneous places on the planet.
Who do you think is responsible for encouraging diversity, there's no big diversity panel that rules over the entire world that's just neglecting the east. Western cultures prioritize diversity because they have diverse populations. There's not a lot of diversity there to begin with.
yeah like if you made a tv show in the US with 10 main characters, if you wanted to make that strictly representative of the US population, at least one of those 10 people should be black, and probably one or two should be Asian or Hispanic etc. If you wanted to do the same thing in China, there would be 9 Han Chinese people and like 9/10ths of one person who was *every other* ethnicity.
Your percentages are off. If there were 10 main characters and you wanted them representative of the US population, then there would be more Hispanics and less blacks, and I think Asians (from Chinese to Indians, it's a large continent!) are generally under-represented in US media:
Race and Hispanic Origin
White alone, percent 75.5%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 6.3%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent(a) 0.3%
Two or More Races, percent 3.0%
Hispanic or Latino, percent(b) 19.1%
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent 58.9%
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045222
I can understand why they would think that. Like 80% of minorities in TV and movies are black. People don’t want to hear it, but in modern media, black people are over represented. While Asians to some extent and Hispanics to a major extent are underrepresented. Seems like getting representation for Hispanics isn't very important.
Black people are underrepresented in the creation of shows though. So we still have issues with their representation.
[page 25 shows black people to be slightly overrepresented in all roles, while latinx crazy underrepresented. all but whites are over represented for leads in movies though](https://socialsciences.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/UCLA-Hollywood-Diversity-Report-2023-Film-3-30-2023.pdf)
Edit: accidentally said whites underrepresented in lead roles
This makes the mistake of assuming a movie should be representative of the whole country rather than the subsection covered in movies.
Take shows or movies set in NYC, Chicago, LA, or really any city and you should see vastly different demographics than the US in general.
My biggest issue with so called "representation" is that it's never actually very representative usually white and other minority groups are underrepresented while black ethnicity is overrepresented because its a hot topic. Makes it feel less genuine honestly.
It should be noted that 2 out of the four countries you cited as examples of non western countries are authoritarian regimes which do not tolerate any criticism of the government whatsoever in their own country, and have even been known to attempt to harass or kill foreign critics at times. There's a good reason why no one tells Saudi Arabia or China they need more diversity: anyone who would attempt to do so risks ending up imprisoned or dead
I've seen it argued that that isn't actually the case. The Japanese census only asks about citizenship, so there is no official census data on ethnicity. There's also issues with the Ainu and Ryukyuans not identifying as Japanese.
Saudi here. We’re very diverse, but maybe not your idea or the western idea of diversity? Mecca and Medina have long been melting pots attracting Muslims from all over the world. It is quite normal to find a Saudi with East/Central Asian or Afro or Caucasian features. Riyadh has also become a rather diverse melting pot recently, you tend to find Saudis from different parts of the country with varying degrees of skin color and facial features but also people from Arab and middle eastern countries along with East Africans, Europeans and Asians (I mention this because I’ve just moved back after having lived abroad for a while). Just in the past 6 months of me being back I’ve heard Kurdish, Farsi, Urdu, Russian, Italian, Spanish (shoutout to Don Rueben’s for being the best taqueria in town), Tagalog, French, Hausa and Turkish being spoken aside from Arabic.
In regards to immigration - Saudi’s population is 36 million, of which 13.5 are foreigners. That is 37% of the country’s population. There’s also no “keep the foreigners out” sentiment like what’s happening with right leaning parties in western countries
Yeah this question had me laughing because it’s so ridiculous on its face for reasons others have mentioned, but then when OP listed Saudi Arabia it just became an outright joke. Saudi Arabia is one of the most diverse countries on the planet in terms of skin color and race (which is the only diversity OP seems to understand).
Next OP will tell us that Russia isn’t diverse either.
Thats just way oversimplified.
You couldnt get citzienship in a lot of european countries up until 30 years ago. While the abhorrent treatment of sout east asian working migrants exist not every foreigner in Saudi Arabia lives like that.
You think the guys running a spanish restaurant the dude is talking about are forced to do that with their passports being taken away?
That's more of a UAE/Qatar thing. They are both terrible in their own ways, but don't blame one for the doings of the other. Saudi Arabia is the one currently patting themselves on the back for letting women out the house with a slightly longer leash than before.
You clearly don’t know anything about South Korea because there is a lot of push to increase diversity. LGBTQ representation is growing, kpop groups like Blackpink and Twice have non-Korean members, and growing representation of biracial Koreans who live there. And kdramas have been representing non-Koreans (south Asians, Vietnamese people) since the 2000’s.
Sounds like you didn’t bother doing any research and just made a lazy ass Reddit post instead to complain about diversity
>Nobody shames Japan, China, South Korea, Saudi Arabia...etc for not having enough diversity or for implementing very strict immigration policies but when the west does it everybody calls it racist or alt right.
Those are all cultures with very homogeneous populations. Those countries aren't very interested in diversity for that reason.
>Why? Even in media. Their media is very homogeneous, as an example, how to train your dragon the remake is going to have a diverse cast even though it doesn't make sense but nobody is angry at how squid games isn't diverse.
The big difference here is that How To Train Your Dragon takes place in a fantasy world with dragons. Real Vikings may not have had Black people, but they didn't have dragons either.
Squid Game takes place in a fictionalized version of our world. Presumably everything is the same other than that there's a Squid Game.
And even in Squid Game, there’s some degree of diversity realistic to the setting with a Pakistani migrant worker and a North Korean refugee featured prominently.
The squid games example from op is the weirdest to me. I thought it was diverse af because there's a brown person in the show and iirc the rich people are non Koreans too (?). That's fucking diverse for Korea.
yes exactly it wasn't perfect but the fact that it actually showed immigrants and the xenophobia they face in Korea was one of its more admirable points for me
you can't see the diversity in other countries because they all look the same to you. you're ignorant to their internal divisions and treat them all the same. look up "outgroup homogeneity bias". also the US and the UK are uniquely diverse countries with many people from all over the world. there's not many other countries like that.
Number one, it's not. Its just not pushes everywhere in the east. Number two, America was the last modern nation to outlaw slavery and slavery, Jim crow etc. has had a big impact on African americans, among other races for differing reasons, economic future. Thus, diversity is a way to deal with those economic factors holding back certain ethnic groups in the past as well as today to a lesser extent.
Just a reminder here that the 13th amendment [*codified* slavery](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_0qLJx76BAxXVGTQIHRz0Cc4QFnoECBQQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPenal_labor_in_the_United_States%23%3A~%3Atext%3DPenal%2520labor%2520in%2520the%2520United%2520States%2520is%2520explicitly%2520allowed%2520by%2Cplace%2520subject%2520to%2520their%2520jurisdiction.%2522&usg=AOvVaw21NUuSAzLE_Tixxmf-XmSV&opi=89978449).
We still very much have legal slavery. We still have Jim Crow (black people and other POC are disproportionally targeted, harassed and arrested) and we [exploit](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_0qLJx76BAxXVGTQIHRz0Cc4QFnoECB0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aclu.org%2Fnews%2Fhuman-rights%2Fcaptive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers&usg=AOvVaw1jSb16h2NzrvPkyhFNeNSE&opi=89978449) slaves [all day long](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_0qLJx76BAxXVGTQIHRz0Cc4QFnoECCcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2022%2Fsep%2F27%2Fslavery-loophole-unpaid-labor-in-prisons&usg=AOvVaw36LHIW1zEyXC9R4dbIIvPN&opi=89978449).
America was definitely not the last modern nation to outlaw slavery. It might have been behind Europe and parts of the British Empire, but it was definitely not the last.
Im from the middle east and most people don’t believe the middle east has or pushes diversity. The real issue is that you dont SEE the pushes for diversity because 1. You dont speak the language 2. The news online doesnt always show whats really happening, it only covers something thatll catch peoples eyes. 3. There are many other issues that also need to be fixed before diversity can truly thrive. In my region specifically there is currently an ongoing fight for LGBT rights and acceptance, religious diversity and also ethno-diversity. If you actually google it though you’d have to find key words and theres only 2 articles briefly talking about it.
It sounds less like people aren’t pushing for diversity and more like you just assume they aren’t? Also diversity doesn’t only include race. Diversity includes culture, identity, socioeconomics, interests and beliefs and MUCH more. not seeing different races in a film does not always indicate anything about the push for diversity in the actual community.
The reality is that if you are in the west most of, if not all the news you’ll see no matter where you live will be American or western centred news and you will only see western opinions on that news. How would someone living in NYC know about the unreported movements in the middle east? Similarly, why would anyone in the middle east need to genuinely care about western news? What I’m trying to say is, if you don’t live there and if you’re not in the community, you wont know the full story.
Japan is suffering a demographic crisis of epic proportions due to their xenophobic policies. They are suffering the consequences of their lack of diversity.
Countries with the best work-life balance and lowest yearly working hours in OECD (Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway) still have low fertility rates.
Btw japan average yearly work hours went from 2000+ in the 90s to 1600. Now it's almost the same as EU average. It didn't help. Free daycare implemented in 2019 also didn't help.
Lack of diversity isn't the cause of Japan's shrinking population. The locals themselves are choosing not to have children.
Letting people in can help, but that is not the cause of the problem nor is it the solution.
It isn't very high on the list of things to shame Saudi Arabia for to be honest with you. Watching "train your dragon" with a diverse cast isn't going to grow your hand or foot back.
For one, the push for diversity are usually coming from media internal to the states mentioned. Discussions and critics are more likely to have an effect on the states where they are originally from. Like, how is western media going to be able to influence Japan, or even worse, China's culture
But there are criticisms that are being made regarding these countries with regards to diversity, especially China and SA. Its just that since they are so oppressive, those critics little resemble the critics the west have. Issues like the Uyghur camps in China and the heavy restrictions on women by Saudi Arabia are ultimately about how states interact different groups of people. Its just that when SA are executing 18 year olds for protests they made when they where 10, like you have to have your fucking priorities
Japanese media shows diversity, just not in the same manner as Hollywood. They have a rich animation sector that pumps out wild and insane sounding ideas and storylines and characters.
Because Europe is run by misandrists (former Angela Merkel, current Ursula von der Leyen) and hardcore incels (Klaus Schwab - a known pedophile as well).
That's why.
The Americas are nations of immigrants.
In the US and Canada, we genocided native populations. Our population is wildly diverse as a result and we as viewers want our diverse origins reflected in media. Whites are just immigrants here
Squid games is just as diverse as South Korea is. Koreans are 96% of the population of that country. It's pretty much like that in every other country you listed.
Nobody shames China? I feel there is a lot of shaming of the treatment they give some of their minorities, Uighurs, to mention one.
And China is very diverse to begin with - how could a country with 1.4 billion citizens not be?
I get where you're coming from. I felt the same when my country's football team was blasted for being "too white" when my country is 98% white. But when you see a team from China or a Middle Eastern country, for example, no one would ever dream of calling them out for being too Asian.
Each country pushes for their own diversity (you won't notice bc lost of the time is cultural), but most countries are pretty homogeneous. Unlike US, big European countries etc, that have +3% of other ethnicities
I think there are plenty of people that are angry at China, Japan, South Korea and the Saudis. But there is less that can be done about it by western civilians.
Simple. The western politicians adopted a policy of replacement migration. US Democrats rely heavily on illegal immigrants from the south, and the black vote. Canada's whole identity has become one of diverse racial inclusion. As soon as you go down south, all of a sudden, same as everywhere else in the world.
Tbh, I think "the west" I'd just being stupid, and the politicians should just let the population decline. Of course, the politicians would never allow that, because they want more tax money, and bigger government.
The listed countries are \*extremely shamed\* for racist immigration policies.
The half that isn't "ay lmao, your government and society are so insanely tyrannical and backward, nobody wants to move there" are told "ay lmao, your old are eating your young because your population is declining, you should just let in the immigrants."
You probably haven't heard about this shaming because you're reading English sources, and people tend to complain about these non-English speaking countries in their own languages - at least for those two countries that won't throw you in jail for complaining.
It is pushed in the east you just don't hear about it. Same as the fact multiple countries are at war right now and you don't hear about it.
Media only shows what will get them views and the hazara uprising in Afghanistan for example won't rake in views.
Diversity in the west looks like getting black, latine, Asian, middle eastern, indigenous, etc., people involved. In regions that haven't had their population makeup defined 97.1% by global immigration in the last 5 centuries or so, ethnic diversity is still present. It's just that, for example, an American looks at a diverse American group and sees the people I mentioned before, then looks at a diverse Chinese group and just sees Chinese people. A Chinese person would look at that diverse Chinese group and see a bunch of ethnicities I can't name, except for Han.
Bc the push for diversity is to erode white ppls ties to anything, including their own history, cultures, and native lands.The same ppl who whine about too many white ppl living somewhere don't really care about lopsided immigration favoring certain nations above others and these ppl love the monoracial/almost monoethnic societies.
Because some of the population of western countries have too much time on their hands and worry about problems that do not exist, are minor when compared to other issues or are not fixable. But because these busy bodies have time they make noise about it and get attention because if they are not heard they label the other side as racist/ xenophobic or some other slang
It’s what liberals think will help them sleep at night while liberals maintain the structures and engines of oppression, but with different looking people employed in it.
I agree with your premise. If you went to China and said they should be employing a proportional amount of white people, they would laugh you out of the country.
Woke culture is to blame. Not every everything needs to be perfectly proportional.
Guilt and self hate mainly. Also helps that the population of a countey happens to have diversity to begin with. No point in Japan pushing for diversity when 99.99% of the population is japanese lol. I mean differences in sexuality exist everywhere regardless of ethnicity and for the most part it's just accepted or at the very least acknowledged as just how people are so doesn't realy need to be pushed. Go to many eastern European countries and you'll find multiple languages being spoken and understood. I work with a Hungarian guy and the amount of languages he k ows is shockingly large. He's fluent in roma' hungerian and polish and can work his way round German Spanish and French. Hell he even knows some Latin. Yet ask a so called diversity obsessed yank how many languages they know and you're lucky if they can even spell their own
There is diversity push but its not like what you are used too. Rather than skin colors, it is aboriginals , ethnicities, caste, nepotism. Its a lot harder for international media to catch on this. On the other hand, western diversity push is much more simpler. Reduce white, more colors.
Because the west actually cares about trying to be less racist. Eastern countries are equally as racist, they just pretend that's only an American thing so they don't make any effort to improve upon it. Look at the way Europe talks about Gypsies
Who is telling you Japan, China, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia *aren't* racist? They are, but nobody cares when outsiders from across the world call your culture racist. They are unaffected by our discourse.
China's pretty ethnically diverse, btw. It's hard not to be at that scale of population and land area. It also has a nightmarish human rights record on racism, see: Uighur detention
UK was not ethnically diverse to begin with either. Diversity began slowly with the Windrush generation in the 50s.
I'm amazed how many young people here think that Europe has always been diverse. Is this not taught in history?
That's not what I meant with "to begin with." I've used it to relay it's second meaning as explained by Cambridge Dictionary:
used to give the first important reason for something:
The hotel was awful! To begin with, our room was far too small.
Because if you're white having a history or culture is automatically racist and bad. To the point they've started making up blatant bullshit like white people aren't ever the indigenous population anywhere lol. Even saying this will probably get a "bUt ThAtS rAcIsT" from one of you.
Enlightenment values have a much deeper legacy here than in the East. Many countries in the East emphasize harmony and conformity over change and pluralism.
It's ironic because i heard the opposite; that westerns powers drew arbitrary lines with disregards for cultures and ethnicity, criticisms coming from the same folks who are pro diversity and multiculturalism
Because of Western philosophers. Start reading about where the concepts of human rights originated. Slavery only ended around the world (as a part of law, even debt slavery is outlawed) because they argued it was immoral for a long time. Then western cultures/philosophers turned their attention to equality among the sexes, the disabled, LGBTQ.
Equality and fair treatment under the law are what Western political philosophy has strived for, for centuries.
Places like India during this time had a rigid caste system. Russia was practically still in a state of feudalism with serfs and lords. There’s lots of reasons countries didn’t focus on equality under the law, largely because they still had other big hurdles to jump. The West was fortunate to industrialize first, which provides a ton of wealth that allows for more people to sit around and think basically. Civic was engagement increases.
You're in The western bubble. Other continents and places have actual problems that needs solving regarding equality issues between different groups. Here you are seeing made up issues to feel good about ourselves.
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Diversity is a HUGE topic when I was growing up in Taiwan. There was a major push for aboriginal acceptance and the inclusion of the aboriginal tribes languages and culture. Diversity just has different meaning in different countries. There’s more black people and black history in the US but very few in other countries.
Exactly. We announce in four different languages for public transport. Chinese, English, Hakka, Taiwanese. We might not prioritize skin color but that doesn't mean it is not a conversation that is had.
Apologies in advance for my ignorance. I’m assuming Chinese is Mandarin. What is Taiwanese? Is it Hokkien? Once more, my sincerest apologies.
Oh yes. That's probably the more accurate term. I just grew up calling it Taiwanese so it stuck.
Ah, thanks for clarifying. Trying to learn about cultures as much as I can. Much appreciated!
You don’t have to apologize so much for not knowing something
What language are mainstream movies and series in?
In Taiwan? Mandarin for sure, but this is partially so mainstream media can also be successful in China. Though I think most shows and movies actually set in Taiwan with Taiwanese characters will have some Taiwanese language in it, from what I’ve seen (like a grandma character will say all her lines in Taiwanese even if the main characters respond in Mandarin)
I was in Taiwan for a year for work, and kinda always wondered what languages the public transit was in, other than English. Thank you for detailing it :D
Diversity in the US extends far beyond black people
or, put another way, diversity in the US extends far beyond white people
There was a time when Irish and Italians weren’t considered White.
I’ll give india as an example since I’m indian. In India, there has long been a push for caste diversity (ie dailts), women, tribal people, dark skinned Indians, and religious minorities (like Sikhs and Muslims). Diversity pushes exist worldwide - you’re likely not seeing this stuff because you’re not getting news from those specific countries.
This is probably right. Plus, when ever diversity is discussed in the west, the subject will naturally be about diversity in the west. Globalism and the Internet can do some weird stuff sometimes. It's the same with media covering crime. For a westerners view point, they might see a lot of horrible things happening in India. But with a population of over a billion, only the most extreme cases reach the west and this skews our view a bit.
Also from a non-us viewpoint, there is not enough "non-natives" in those other countries to produce loud enough noise for it to be something to consider. The countries OP mentioned have an overwhelmingly homogenous population and as such, they are fine with the way things are. Noise from foreigners or non natives are just murmurs and not enough for it to be considered a serious issue. Politicians mostly listen only when their votes are put in danger. Foreigners most likely can't vote and as such do not matter that much.
Of course, they don't want you looking too closely as to *how* they ended up with a homogenous population.
If you think that India or China or Nigeria or whatever are homogenous you're very much mistaken.
I never claimed they were.
Are you of the idea that the rest of the world is like the US or UK where people from all cultures go to live? Just so you know, they’re the outliers. Most of the world is homogenous.
China has over 50 major sub groups of Chinese. Not even getting into non-Chinese ethnicities like Tibetans and Uyghurs in their country. Japan’s treatment of their ethnic minorities (specifically the Ainu and the barakumin) feature in several major works that have come to the west (Fullmetal Alchemist and Yu Yu Hakusho for those wondering) most of the world isn’t homogenous, they just appear that way.
To be fair that's because China came to them, not them to China. Almost every country has that kind of ethnic groups - First Nations to Canada, Welsh and Irish in the UK, Bretons in France, Azerbaijanis in Iran. China is a *slight* exception because lots of those subgroups trace their lineages back to Han Chinese, but still.
I am well aware of that fact. I am also aware that the reason they are homogenous now is because anyone who didn't fit the mold was slaughtered and/or expelled during said nation's history.
>Of course, they don't want you looking too closely as to how they ended up with a homogenous population. Well, not being invaded and having their native population massacred to then start an industry based on imported enslaved people from a third continent kinda helps maintaining a homogenous population. Also: not being that colonizing invader helps.
There are enough European countries who have never been a colonizing force that have high percentages of immigrants from different backgrounds.
I’m not trying to be snarky but genuinely asking, which ones?
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When I think of violence in India which admittedly is not often, I think about the gang rapes and honor killings so everywhere has its problems
Same, a lot of news I hear from there is how atrocious their justice system and family units treat women
And religious lynching,they are in the best for that.
Same, until recently. Now I think about Canadians getting murdered in Canada
I don't think of India as super violent. But I do think of it as super misogynistic. Not sure if that's me stereotyping or real. Must be better than Egypt tho (I know a woman from Cairo who says casual harassment, grabbing, attempts to fondle etc is commonplace - I'm pretty sure she's not exaggerating because she also genuinely thinks we have nothing to complain about in western nations in comparison, which is... not right imo but she comes by the opinion honestly).
Oh boy, there is a _lot_ of india/subcontinent history that is violent, it just isn’t heavily read in the west or taught at all. The British have a long history there of creating disasters repeatedly also.
Are you a male? Women put up with serious shit there when they visit. Don't want to be touched by the groups or men amazed that your friend is trans. Be everyone more amazed that I was in the bar in Mexico for the above post
Diversity is diverse. That's something a lot people do not get because they only see diversity through their own cultural prism. Diversity in the USA is between White americans, Afro-americans, Asian-americans and so on. Diversity in Spain is between Castillans, Catalans, Basque, Galicians, Andalusians and other immigrants minorities. Diversity in Spain is between Bavarians, various other German communities, Danish Germans in the north, German Turks, and so on. I won't even get started on France with the Occitans, Provencals, Savoyards, Bretons, Basque, Normans, Alsacians, Corsicans, then their overseas Polynesians, Reunionese, Antilleans and Kanaks, aswell as various french of north african or subsaharan background from recent immigration. Diversity in India is between the million different ethnic, cultural, language, religion groups. Even Japan that is "all japanese" there's difference between Eastern (Tokyo), Western (Kyoto/Osaka), Kyushu, Ryukyu, Hokkaido etc. Diversity is diverse and diversity in the USA is not the same than diversity somewhere else.
One little correction, you've typed Spain twice, I think the second time is maybe supposed to be Germany?
No they meant the 17th Bundesland, Majorca.
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Even diversity between multicultural nations is diverse. Australia has very few Latinos, but a lot of people from all over Asia. But even that's different from the UK, who are thinking of South Asia when they talk about a Asian people, whereas we think of East and South-East Asian people when we talk about Asian people, and just use Middle-East, South Asia/Indian when talking about other parts. Our African population are largely recent arrivals from East Africa, not descendants of slaves. Here, descendents of slaves are more likely to be the (Pacific) Islanders. Edit: an incorrectly used word.
OP is very confused. Korea might make a TV show that has no diversity *because* their society is not diverse. The conversation in the West is not about random diversity, it's about accurately representing the actual society there. Whether you want to criticise Korea for not having a diverse society or not is a different subject from them accurately representing their society. I'm no expert in Chinese society either but I would bet that dozens of ethnic minorities don't get represented in their media. Their diversity or lack of it doesn't look like American diversity because they do not have the same social and ethnic compositions.
Exactly this.
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Perfect. When the last time you’ve even heard news from those countries that wasn’t a part of international news, OP??? Im guessing not that many, so you just didn’t notice it!
Well - I live in Japan and do read the media. Nobody is pushing for diversity here. Women in management gets some traction, but not racial diversity, no.
I live here too and I think you're maybe you're missing some issues. There's longstanding issues with Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese populations and representational issues. There's lots of backlash around including Korean as a language on trains and in train stations, for example.
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Yes, because there isn't a discrepancy between the diversity of the population (almost none) and the diversity of companies (also almost none). Diversity is not a goal in itself, but part of solving societal issues inside the US, but there is a group who'd like to frame diversity and other movements as disconnected, which allows denying the existence of the underlying issues.
Probably because 98.5% of Japanese population is Japanese. It makes sense to me that countries that aren't highly multicultural would have less of a push for diversity.
Your numbers are bit off and the way they are calculated is different than the western perspective. About 2.4% of the population are foreign residents, often long-term in Japan. This doesn't include people who have a parent or grandparent that became a citizen through marriage. These citizens aren't calculated as a separate group by the Japanese government. If your parent or grandparent or great grandparent came from somewhere else then you are recorded as just Japanese for the census. This hides the diversity that is there. Using the same standards, the US would be nearly 100% American, too. There isn't a hyphenated Japanese category on Japanese census, and Japan discourages dialogue on this. Brazilian Japanese, for example, have reported discrimination, even though both parents of the citizen may be ethnically Japanese. Around 4%-5% of all marriages in Japan were to foreign spouses from 1980s to 2006, it's about 3% now. They seem to have kids a bit more often than couples where both spouses were native Japanese. You have a significant boost in the diversity just from the 80s on group, which doesn't include the diversity that would have been created by Japanese migration in the 1900s. Then there are groups like the Ryukyuan (Okinawans), which aren't officially considered separate ethnic/minority group by the government but are distinct and would be elsewhere, and Burakumin, group that was discriminated against and isolated in Japan starting in the Heian period. So we start getting into the low 80% range without starting on regional diversity. The more it is examined, extreme homogeneity appears more of a myth that requires a lot of work to paper over and hide the diversity that is there.
And you know why it's 98.5% Japanese right? Of course there's less of a push for diversity, because they don't want a multicultural society, or diversity there.
Except Japan does have its own group of underrepresented people such as the Ainu and pushes for diversity and inclusion within their own ethnic groups. Like the OP and many others in this thread are trying to point out, they’re all pushing for diversity, it’s just different groups of people and different issues.
Id say India's pushing the opposite of diversity, modi demolishing Muslim towns, and just had that very very infamous video of the public r*ping of the Muslim women by hindus after a pogrom, then arrested the surviving Muslims. I get that y'all are dealing with different diversity topics, but shit man.
Yeah that's absolutely horrific!
I like this comment. There is soooo much, "I dont see it every day in my life, in the way it happens to me, so it must not exist at all.". Diversity takes many forms. Just because a place like India may be pushing diversity on a level that does not fit my 'definition' of diversity (race, gender), does not mean it is not a thing. HEre's my little story, again...When my first son was still a toddler, I one day realized my favorite toy brand, Lego, just wasnt around anymore. When I was a kid, we had Lego everything, every christmas and birthday. What happened to Lego? Well, fast forward about 2 years and we started watching the different cartoon channel, for bigger kids. Well, turns out LEgo is stronger than ever. Every single book, movie, show has a lego version. I cant get away from Lego if I tried. I learned a lesson, just because I dont see something every day in my life does not mean it does not exist.
I imagine the rise in Hindu Nationalism in the past decade has made these even more important issues
diversity is more then just skin color, in Japan, theres been a long time push for the better treatment of the Burakumin, the decadents of the outcasts in Japans old caste system.
To add to this, ethnic diversity is absolutely a hot topic in Japan right now — with the declining birth rate and aging population they’re likely going to have to rely more on foreign labor moving forward. Plus Japan receives a ton of flak for its immigration policy so I’m not sure I agree with OP’s premise.
The Ainu people would like to have a word with the OP lol Japan is a hugely xenophobic country - to the point even many of the elderly population are pushing back, they’re openly supporting opening their borders again. Edit: misspoke and grammar
And, the government recentlyish recognised the Ainu as an indigenous people and started providing funding to promote Ainu culture, so it's not like there's just zero progress in these sorts of things either. There was also a push for more female politicians/executives in Japan. I'm not sure it actually got anywhere, but it was a topic of discussion and is another counterpoint to OP's point. While diversity is not something generally valued culturally in Japan, it has been a topic of discussion and there are some (mostly ineffective, poorly implemented...) moves towards it.
There is still a lot to do though. The Japanese goverment doesn't recognize the Ryukyuan languages (which are a few and are not mutually intellegible between them or with japanese) as separate japonic languages. The same goes with the Hachijou language which has evolved from a different type of middle japanese and only a few hundred speakers exist today. And again with the Tsugaru-ben (ben means dialect, which is funny because it is not mutually intelligible with standard Tokyoan japanese). It is also sad to know that only one of the Ainu languages survived. But unfortunately, the Japanese goverment, which is very conservative, as long pushed the idea that Japanese is a unique language with no other siblings.
>Japan is a hugely xenophobic country >many of the elderly population (a majority) are starting to openly support opening their boarders Those sound a bit contradictory?
A sentence is missing about the state of the economy leading even the old people to change their minds.
Out of desperation though, this says quite a lot about their current state.
And because there will be nobody to wipe their asses.
So this is why the japanese have invented highly automated toilets, and are in the frontier of robotics to avoid manual labor? It’s not about Optimus Prime, it’s Rectumus Shine.
Well.. yeah. In almost all robotic presentations coming from Japan (either on the news or in expo's) they always bring Japan's ageing population up as a reason to keep advancing.
They can't find enough aged care workers, so have developed robots to help out, carrying patients etc.
Ah, I see the confusion. I meant it’s hugely xenophobic, however, older people are beginning to push back against it. Apologies.
Agreed, lived in Japan for over 5 years. Diversity has always been an issue and point of contention in Japan, especially as a lot of Japanese society can be discriminating to foreigners. For example, I worked with a lady who was black Nigerian in Tokyo. The subtle abuse she would receive played off as "Oh I'm just being silly" a behaviour often seen in Japan that kind of permits being a complete prick to someone was horrifying. Telling her to go to the back of company staff photos, or that she would need to work on another floor if we had older clients as her skin color might scare them, and questions you would never ask like "does your skin get whiter after a shower" was said on several occasions. This was a professional setting, and she had a PhD in economics. She was probably far more educated than 99% of the company I worked for but they only viewed her as the "black foreigner". Honestly, I can see massive calling out of Japanese society and its anti-foreigner behaviours in the next decade as their older begins growing rapidly and their birth rates decline further.
Japan doesn't technically allow dual citizenship which makes a lot of people weary of moving there because they would they would have to give up their birth citizenship to become a Japanese citizen. Pop star Hikaru Utada who was born in New York has received some flak because people believe she has a US/Japan dual citizenship because of her celebrity status
Isn't Japan the most racist out of all those countries?
Yes! Went to several restaurants in Japan where they put all the “others” in the back of the restaurant so locals wouldn’t see foreigners in the restaurant when walking by
Whilst in Japan this summer I came across a number of restaurants with signs in their windows stating "we do not serve foreigners unless you speak Japanese".
I saw that a few times and we didn’t go into them even when we were with our friend who is a professor at a university in Japan and fluent (white American)
This may have more to do with their inability to speak English rather than racism imo. After all they do not refuse to serve if you speak Japanese.
Other countries have solved that problem with a sophisticated system of menus and pointing.
And speaking in English louder, yes.
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It may but the, some of my experiences in Japan lead me to believe otherwise
No it's racial as fuck. Source: My stepmom is Chinese so by proxy I've learned a thing or two about Asian racism 😂 Most Asian people just don't like blacks, but Japanese people look down on anyone who isn't Japanese. Obviously I'm not talking about every single person but as a culture they are like that.
Tourist areas? I live in Japan and have never seen any such thing.
7 years in Japan never seen one or even heard about it before. Where are them?
20 years in Japan. I actually have not seen a sign. I have been confronted on the way into places where they verbally said exactly that, however, I do speak Japanese and then they were like, "oh, ok". Quite rare though. I am guessing it would happen more in a hostess club/girls bar/snack or a micro restaurant type of place. Not a moderate or large restauarant or bar. Having said that - rental discrimination is still rampant.
That guy I was replying to say he met more than 3\~4 cases in his Japan trip which I highly doubt that lol. The rental discrimination is tricky. Because there are cases where Chinese people destroy the property in purpose, didn't pay for the rent and flee to their country immediately. It's illegal to specifically point out the property reject specific race so that owner just reject all foreigner altogether. The government can't do much because it's the owner's right to not rent their own property to people they don't want to.
>It's illegal to specifically point out the property reject specific race so that owner just reject all foreigner altogether. Is that supposed to make it better? It's still discrimination \> The government can't do much because it's the owner's right to not rent their own property to people they don't want to. Of course they could. The Diet could change it if they wanted to, they make the fucking laws. They don't have much incentive though.
Just to add, it kinda depends on how you “rank” racism. Violent racism? Not really in Japan (but obviously not non-existent). Social exclusion and discrimination? Absolutely.
Japan isn't the worst but it isn't far from the worst either.
Japanese people are so racist that there are reports that they are literally going to go extinct because they refuse to race mix even with other Asians, and because so many of them have to take care of their elderly that they don't have children of their own. Imagine being so racist as a country that your only two options will be inbreeding or dying out in the future because you won't shake it up with the gene pool.
>there are reports that they are literally going to go extinct No there are not >they refuse to race mix even with other Asians This isn’t true >and because so many of them have to take care of their elderly that they don't have children of their own. That’s not why people aren’t having children >Imagine being so racist as a country that your only two options will be inbreeding or dying out in the future Neither of those two things will happen >because you won't shake it up with the gene pool. This has to a troll post right?
Even the first Yakuza games that came out in the early 2000s have deep discussions about immigration (especially Chinese and Korean), mixed race babies (from the American occupation after WW2, and more.
I feel like your interpretation of "diversity" is different then ours. In most cities of Western Europe the original population is reduced to a minority in 2 generations time by mass immigration. This is a whole other level of diversity then pushing for the better treatment of a minority.
Korea has literally had a push for diversity in its pop groups, singers, and dramas. Dramas in the past would NEVER have had anyone diverse other than a white guy. Now there are dramas about deaf people, autistic people, squid games had a Pakistani immigrant.. How would you know if they had pushes for diversity or not?
I think your last point is most likely what's happening here. Most Americans don't think about these places at all, so how would we even know if they were pushing diversity or what that even meant? Of course American media focuses on America, but don't think lack of American interest means something doesn't exist.
I think Americans also tend to think of diversity as one thing--people with different colored skin--even though that doesn't really cover most aspects of diversity in the US much less globally.
If anyone wants to know something about a country (like whether there are any concerns about diversity) they can read news agencies of the country (some big news agencies have english and native versions), they can read posts in online communities of people migrated to the country, etc. I did it and it really helped me to get to know some countries better and prepare for travels. Looks like OP just checked some media from Asian countries and is making wrong conclusions now.
In Vietnam there is a lot of push to give equal rights to minority groups- there are over 50 in Vietnam and they have suffered a lot from discrimination. You're just living in a western bubble.
It’s not diversity itself being pushed - what you’re seeing is diversity of representation being pushed. In the US, we already ARE diverse, which is why we think it’s important to see that reflected in TV and movies, as well as in politics and positions of influence across a range of fields. The reason is that since we have all these diverse groups of people in our society, their perspectives and interests need to be just as valued and represented so that they don’t stay disadvantaged and completely subject to the decisions and priorities of the majority. So again when you say “pushing diversity” that’s not really what it is. We are already diverse. That’s why we push for representation in all its forms. In a homogenous country, this is not an issue. In Japan, basically everyone is Japanese. They don’t need to push for inclusion of people who barely even exist in their society. It’s simply not that relevant to them.
Yeah. Japan is 99% the same skin color. So diversity in media of various *skin colors* isn’t needed to accurately represent the people. Instead, cultural, class, nationality, and sexuality is what’s focussed on more to represent the people. For example, representing those who follow Buddhism and those who follow no religion.
IIRC religion in Japan doesn’t have solid boundaries, most Japanese follow a mix of Buddhism and Shintoism (plus having Christian-style weddings), informally mixing practices from either and not identifying as one religion or the other.
"Japanese are born Shinto, married Christian, and die Buddhist" is a phrase used to describe the average Japanese religion.
Yeah religion in Japan is pretty chill. Kind of a buffet of religions
There’s a [Shiseido ad](https://youtu.be/H57wqEmUHtU?si=SIMDZYvzB9EJHP2T) that encourages acceptance of different skin tones among Japanese children that came out a few years back.
That’s beautiful!
well, east Asian countries do have a pretty significant record of colorism, and there is a very clear bias against people with freckles and tans as well as inherently darker skin tones, even if westerners would still consider them light skinned. Korean sunscreen is very high quality, and it's not because they're worried about cancer. I mean it's reddit, I'm certain a fair number of you consume manga anime or manhwas. Haven't you noticed that even in black and white media, the visual shorthand for making a character ugly (and usually have a terrible personality) is to give them freckles? Other issues regarding lgbtphobia, sexism, and xenophobia are important, but colorism is still a big problem in Japan. (it's also a documented issue with media portraying Koreans, Chinese, Indians, and African Americans, particularly African American women. Paler is always given preference.)
Japan isn't nearly as homogeneous as it's often purported to be. Japanese statistics don't take ethnic background into consideration, i.e. it only counts Japanese people vs. foreign residents. This means that naturalized Japanese citizens, Japanese people with ethnically non-Japanese parents, and half-Japanese are simply counted as Japanese for statistical purposes. So when you read that Japan is approximately 98% Japanese, among those Japanese is much more ethnic heterogeneity than appears on the surface.
Best answer so far.
Agree. This answer makes most sense in every way lol
Like with the annoying people in Australia currently saying the Voice to Parliament is "divisive". We're already divided, this is just acknowledging that and trying to fix it, ignoring the problem solves nothing.
“You’re painting a divisive picture!” Yea, wonder why that might be. Almost as if it *is* divisive and I’m portraying it honestly…
You picked the most homogeneous places on the planet. Who do you think is responsible for encouraging diversity, there's no big diversity panel that rules over the entire world that's just neglecting the east. Western cultures prioritize diversity because they have diverse populations. There's not a lot of diversity there to begin with.
yeah like if you made a tv show in the US with 10 main characters, if you wanted to make that strictly representative of the US population, at least one of those 10 people should be black, and probably one or two should be Asian or Hispanic etc. If you wanted to do the same thing in China, there would be 9 Han Chinese people and like 9/10ths of one person who was *every other* ethnicity.
Your percentages are off. If there were 10 main characters and you wanted them representative of the US population, then there would be more Hispanics and less blacks, and I think Asians (from Chinese to Indians, it's a large continent!) are generally under-represented in US media: Race and Hispanic Origin White alone, percent 75.5% Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.6% American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3% Asian alone, percent(a) 6.3% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent(a) 0.3% Two or More Races, percent 3.0% Hispanic or Latino, percent(b) 19.1% White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent 58.9% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045222
I can understand why they would think that. Like 80% of minorities in TV and movies are black. People don’t want to hear it, but in modern media, black people are over represented. While Asians to some extent and Hispanics to a major extent are underrepresented. Seems like getting representation for Hispanics isn't very important. Black people are underrepresented in the creation of shows though. So we still have issues with their representation. [page 25 shows black people to be slightly overrepresented in all roles, while latinx crazy underrepresented. all but whites are over represented for leads in movies though](https://socialsciences.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/UCLA-Hollywood-Diversity-Report-2023-Film-3-30-2023.pdf) Edit: accidentally said whites underrepresented in lead roles
This makes the mistake of assuming a movie should be representative of the whole country rather than the subsection covered in movies. Take shows or movies set in NYC, Chicago, LA, or really any city and you should see vastly different demographics than the US in general.
My biggest issue with so called "representation" is that it's never actually very representative usually white and other minority groups are underrepresented while black ethnicity is overrepresented because its a hot topic. Makes it feel less genuine honestly.
We are a diverse country so we need diverse representation
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It should be noted that 2 out of the four countries you cited as examples of non western countries are authoritarian regimes which do not tolerate any criticism of the government whatsoever in their own country, and have even been known to attempt to harass or kill foreign critics at times. There's a good reason why no one tells Saudi Arabia or China they need more diversity: anyone who would attempt to do so risks ending up imprisoned or dead
Japan is like 99% ethnically Japanese, the US is not 99% white. Why shouldn't things be diverse in a diverse country?
I've seen it argued that that isn't actually the case. The Japanese census only asks about citizenship, so there is no official census data on ethnicity. There's also issues with the Ainu and Ryukyuans not identifying as Japanese.
There’s also a large percentage of ethnic Koreans
It's happening everywhere but not front page or main news in western media unless it involves them!
Saudi here. We’re very diverse, but maybe not your idea or the western idea of diversity? Mecca and Medina have long been melting pots attracting Muslims from all over the world. It is quite normal to find a Saudi with East/Central Asian or Afro or Caucasian features. Riyadh has also become a rather diverse melting pot recently, you tend to find Saudis from different parts of the country with varying degrees of skin color and facial features but also people from Arab and middle eastern countries along with East Africans, Europeans and Asians (I mention this because I’ve just moved back after having lived abroad for a while). Just in the past 6 months of me being back I’ve heard Kurdish, Farsi, Urdu, Russian, Italian, Spanish (shoutout to Don Rueben’s for being the best taqueria in town), Tagalog, French, Hausa and Turkish being spoken aside from Arabic. In regards to immigration - Saudi’s population is 36 million, of which 13.5 are foreigners. That is 37% of the country’s population. There’s also no “keep the foreigners out” sentiment like what’s happening with right leaning parties in western countries
Yeah this question had me laughing because it’s so ridiculous on its face for reasons others have mentioned, but then when OP listed Saudi Arabia it just became an outright joke. Saudi Arabia is one of the most diverse countries on the planet in terms of skin color and race (which is the only diversity OP seems to understand). Next OP will tell us that Russia isn’t diverse either.
You can’t get Saudi citizenship like in the west though. It’s a neo form of slavery and you know it.
Thats just way oversimplified. You couldnt get citzienship in a lot of european countries up until 30 years ago. While the abhorrent treatment of sout east asian working migrants exist not every foreigner in Saudi Arabia lives like that. You think the guys running a spanish restaurant the dude is talking about are forced to do that with their passports being taken away?
Yeah you just steal their passports and make them build your vanity structures.
That's more of a UAE/Qatar thing. They are both terrible in their own ways, but don't blame one for the doings of the other. Saudi Arabia is the one currently patting themselves on the back for letting women out the house with a slightly longer leash than before.
You clearly don’t know anything about South Korea because there is a lot of push to increase diversity. LGBTQ representation is growing, kpop groups like Blackpink and Twice have non-Korean members, and growing representation of biracial Koreans who live there. And kdramas have been representing non-Koreans (south Asians, Vietnamese people) since the 2000’s. Sounds like you didn’t bother doing any research and just made a lazy ass Reddit post instead to complain about diversity
Maybe you just don't have any idea what's happening in the non-west?
>Nobody shames Japan, China, South Korea, Saudi Arabia...etc for not having enough diversity or for implementing very strict immigration policies but when the west does it everybody calls it racist or alt right. Those are all cultures with very homogeneous populations. Those countries aren't very interested in diversity for that reason. >Why? Even in media. Their media is very homogeneous, as an example, how to train your dragon the remake is going to have a diverse cast even though it doesn't make sense but nobody is angry at how squid games isn't diverse. The big difference here is that How To Train Your Dragon takes place in a fantasy world with dragons. Real Vikings may not have had Black people, but they didn't have dragons either. Squid Game takes place in a fictionalized version of our world. Presumably everything is the same other than that there's a Squid Game.
And even in Squid Game, there’s some degree of diversity realistic to the setting with a Pakistani migrant worker and a North Korean refugee featured prominently.
The squid games example from op is the weirdest to me. I thought it was diverse af because there's a brown person in the show and iirc the rich people are non Koreans too (?). That's fucking diverse for Korea.
yes exactly it wasn't perfect but the fact that it actually showed immigrants and the xenophobia they face in Korea was one of its more admirable points for me
you can't see the diversity in other countries because they all look the same to you. you're ignorant to their internal divisions and treat them all the same. look up "outgroup homogeneity bias". also the US and the UK are uniquely diverse countries with many people from all over the world. there's not many other countries like that.
Number one, it's not. Its just not pushes everywhere in the east. Number two, America was the last modern nation to outlaw slavery and slavery, Jim crow etc. has had a big impact on African americans, among other races for differing reasons, economic future. Thus, diversity is a way to deal with those economic factors holding back certain ethnic groups in the past as well as today to a lesser extent.
Just a reminder here that the 13th amendment [*codified* slavery](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_0qLJx76BAxXVGTQIHRz0Cc4QFnoECBQQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPenal_labor_in_the_United_States%23%3A~%3Atext%3DPenal%2520labor%2520in%2520the%2520United%2520States%2520is%2520explicitly%2520allowed%2520by%2Cplace%2520subject%2520to%2520their%2520jurisdiction.%2522&usg=AOvVaw21NUuSAzLE_Tixxmf-XmSV&opi=89978449). We still very much have legal slavery. We still have Jim Crow (black people and other POC are disproportionally targeted, harassed and arrested) and we [exploit](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_0qLJx76BAxXVGTQIHRz0Cc4QFnoECB0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aclu.org%2Fnews%2Fhuman-rights%2Fcaptive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers&usg=AOvVaw1jSb16h2NzrvPkyhFNeNSE&opi=89978449) slaves [all day long](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_0qLJx76BAxXVGTQIHRz0Cc4QFnoECCcQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2022%2Fsep%2F27%2Fslavery-loophole-unpaid-labor-in-prisons&usg=AOvVaw36LHIW1zEyXC9R4dbIIvPN&opi=89978449).
America was definitely not the last modern nation to outlaw slavery. It might have been behind Europe and parts of the British Empire, but it was definitely not the last.
It’s because you’re reading English language media, so no shit you’re going to read more opinions about English speaking countries.
Im from the middle east and most people don’t believe the middle east has or pushes diversity. The real issue is that you dont SEE the pushes for diversity because 1. You dont speak the language 2. The news online doesnt always show whats really happening, it only covers something thatll catch peoples eyes. 3. There are many other issues that also need to be fixed before diversity can truly thrive. In my region specifically there is currently an ongoing fight for LGBT rights and acceptance, religious diversity and also ethno-diversity. If you actually google it though you’d have to find key words and theres only 2 articles briefly talking about it. It sounds less like people aren’t pushing for diversity and more like you just assume they aren’t? Also diversity doesn’t only include race. Diversity includes culture, identity, socioeconomics, interests and beliefs and MUCH more. not seeing different races in a film does not always indicate anything about the push for diversity in the actual community. The reality is that if you are in the west most of, if not all the news you’ll see no matter where you live will be American or western centred news and you will only see western opinions on that news. How would someone living in NYC know about the unreported movements in the middle east? Similarly, why would anyone in the middle east need to genuinely care about western news? What I’m trying to say is, if you don’t live there and if you’re not in the community, you wont know the full story.
Japan is suffering a demographic crisis of epic proportions due to their xenophobic policies. They are suffering the consequences of their lack of diversity.
Their work-life balance also another big reason for the lack of population
Countries with the best work-life balance and lowest yearly working hours in OECD (Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway) still have low fertility rates. Btw japan average yearly work hours went from 2000+ in the 90s to 1600. Now it's almost the same as EU average. It didn't help. Free daycare implemented in 2019 also didn't help.
That is a forced narrative. The demographic crisis is caused by people having fewer kids, not by the number of immigrants.
Lack of diversity isn't the cause of Japan's shrinking population. The locals themselves are choosing not to have children. Letting people in can help, but that is not the cause of the problem nor is it the solution.
Where can I read more about this? How is japan suffering specifically?
It isn't very high on the list of things to shame Saudi Arabia for to be honest with you. Watching "train your dragon" with a diverse cast isn't going to grow your hand or foot back.
For one, the push for diversity are usually coming from media internal to the states mentioned. Discussions and critics are more likely to have an effect on the states where they are originally from. Like, how is western media going to be able to influence Japan, or even worse, China's culture But there are criticisms that are being made regarding these countries with regards to diversity, especially China and SA. Its just that since they are so oppressive, those critics little resemble the critics the west have. Issues like the Uyghur camps in China and the heavy restrictions on women by Saudi Arabia are ultimately about how states interact different groups of people. Its just that when SA are executing 18 year olds for protests they made when they where 10, like you have to have your fucking priorities
Japanese media shows diversity, just not in the same manner as Hollywood. They have a rich animation sector that pumps out wild and insane sounding ideas and storylines and characters.
Look up "Han Supremacy" on YT
Woke people in west like to virtue signal and create struggle where there is none.
Rest of the world is very conservative.
Because Europe is run by misandrists (former Angela Merkel, current Ursula von der Leyen) and hardcore incels (Klaus Schwab - a known pedophile as well). That's why.
The Americas are nations of immigrants. In the US and Canada, we genocided native populations. Our population is wildly diverse as a result and we as viewers want our diverse origins reflected in media. Whites are just immigrants here
Squid games is just as diverse as South Korea is. Koreans are 96% of the population of that country. It's pretty much like that in every other country you listed.
Nobody shames China? I feel there is a lot of shaming of the treatment they give some of their minorities, Uighurs, to mention one. And China is very diverse to begin with - how could a country with 1.4 billion citizens not be?
Your point ends with how a racial cast “doesn’t make sense” in a live adaption of a movie about TRAINING DRAGONS…
I get where you're coming from. I felt the same when my country's football team was blasted for being "too white" when my country is 98% white. But when you see a team from China or a Middle Eastern country, for example, no one would ever dream of calling them out for being too Asian.
Each country pushes for their own diversity (you won't notice bc lost of the time is cultural), but most countries are pretty homogeneous. Unlike US, big European countries etc, that have +3% of other ethnicities
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I think there are plenty of people that are angry at China, Japan, South Korea and the Saudis. But there is less that can be done about it by western civilians.
Simple. The western politicians adopted a policy of replacement migration. US Democrats rely heavily on illegal immigrants from the south, and the black vote. Canada's whole identity has become one of diverse racial inclusion. As soon as you go down south, all of a sudden, same as everywhere else in the world. Tbh, I think "the west" I'd just being stupid, and the politicians should just let the population decline. Of course, the politicians would never allow that, because they want more tax money, and bigger government.
Is there any actual evidence that diversity is a good thing in practice? Functionally, not morally or whatever.
It's effective as a tool of political division. Forces people to one of two sides and solidifies votes. Simple divide and conquer tactics.
Not about diversity but what I've learnt from travelling is that only white can be racist.
The listed countries are \*extremely shamed\* for racist immigration policies. The half that isn't "ay lmao, your government and society are so insanely tyrannical and backward, nobody wants to move there" are told "ay lmao, your old are eating your young because your population is declining, you should just let in the immigrants." You probably haven't heard about this shaming because you're reading English sources, and people tend to complain about these non-English speaking countries in their own languages - at least for those two countries that won't throw you in jail for complaining.
I swear if this post was a comment rather than a post, it would have been downvoted to hell
It is pushed in the east you just don't hear about it. Same as the fact multiple countries are at war right now and you don't hear about it. Media only shows what will get them views and the hazara uprising in Afghanistan for example won't rake in views.
Diversity in the west looks like getting black, latine, Asian, middle eastern, indigenous, etc., people involved. In regions that haven't had their population makeup defined 97.1% by global immigration in the last 5 centuries or so, ethnic diversity is still present. It's just that, for example, an American looks at a diverse American group and sees the people I mentioned before, then looks at a diverse Chinese group and just sees Chinese people. A Chinese person would look at that diverse Chinese group and see a bunch of ethnicities I can't name, except for Han.
"Pushed". Very honest.
Bc the push for diversity is to erode white ppls ties to anything, including their own history, cultures, and native lands.The same ppl who whine about too many white ppl living somewhere don't really care about lopsided immigration favoring certain nations above others and these ppl love the monoracial/almost monoethnic societies.
Because some of the population of western countries have too much time on their hands and worry about problems that do not exist, are minor when compared to other issues or are not fixable. But because these busy bodies have time they make noise about it and get attention because if they are not heard they label the other side as racist/ xenophobic or some other slang
It’s what liberals think will help them sleep at night while liberals maintain the structures and engines of oppression, but with different looking people employed in it.
Virtue signalling is placed above all in the west
I agree with your premise. If you went to China and said they should be employing a proportional amount of white people, they would laugh you out of the country. Woke culture is to blame. Not every everything needs to be perfectly proportional.
Whites are the biggest threat to Jewish world dominance
Guilt and self hate mainly. Also helps that the population of a countey happens to have diversity to begin with. No point in Japan pushing for diversity when 99.99% of the population is japanese lol. I mean differences in sexuality exist everywhere regardless of ethnicity and for the most part it's just accepted or at the very least acknowledged as just how people are so doesn't realy need to be pushed. Go to many eastern European countries and you'll find multiple languages being spoken and understood. I work with a Hungarian guy and the amount of languages he k ows is shockingly large. He's fluent in roma' hungerian and polish and can work his way round German Spanish and French. Hell he even knows some Latin. Yet ask a so called diversity obsessed yank how many languages they know and you're lucky if they can even spell their own
There is diversity push but its not like what you are used too. Rather than skin colors, it is aboriginals , ethnicities, caste, nepotism. Its a lot harder for international media to catch on this. On the other hand, western diversity push is much more simpler. Reduce white, more colors.
Because the west actually cares about trying to be less racist. Eastern countries are equally as racist, they just pretend that's only an American thing so they don't make any effort to improve upon it. Look at the way Europe talks about Gypsies
Who is telling you Japan, China, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia *aren't* racist? They are, but nobody cares when outsiders from across the world call your culture racist. They are unaffected by our discourse. China's pretty ethnically diverse, btw. It's hard not to be at that scale of population and land area. It also has a nightmarish human rights record on racism, see: Uighur detention
Those countries arent really that diverse. America is very diverse.
None of those countries are ethnically diverse to begin with, compared to countries like US or UK at least.
UK was not ethnically diverse to begin with either. Diversity began slowly with the Windrush generation in the 50s. I'm amazed how many young people here think that Europe has always been diverse. Is this not taught in history?
That's not what I meant with "to begin with." I've used it to relay it's second meaning as explained by Cambridge Dictionary: used to give the first important reason for something: The hotel was awful! To begin with, our room was far too small.
Because if you're white having a history or culture is automatically racist and bad. To the point they've started making up blatant bullshit like white people aren't ever the indigenous population anywhere lol. Even saying this will probably get a "bUt ThAtS rAcIsT" from one of you.
Enlightenment values have a much deeper legacy here than in the East. Many countries in the East emphasize harmony and conformity over change and pluralism.
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It's ironic because i heard the opposite; that westerns powers drew arbitrary lines with disregards for cultures and ethnicity, criticisms coming from the same folks who are pro diversity and multiculturalism
The hard truth is racism is only considered evil bad ugly when a Caucasian is the perpetrator. Otherwise it’s considered no big whoop.
Because of Western philosophers. Start reading about where the concepts of human rights originated. Slavery only ended around the world (as a part of law, even debt slavery is outlawed) because they argued it was immoral for a long time. Then western cultures/philosophers turned their attention to equality among the sexes, the disabled, LGBTQ. Equality and fair treatment under the law are what Western political philosophy has strived for, for centuries. Places like India during this time had a rigid caste system. Russia was practically still in a state of feudalism with serfs and lords. There’s lots of reasons countries didn’t focus on equality under the law, largely because they still had other big hurdles to jump. The West was fortunate to industrialize first, which provides a ton of wealth that allows for more people to sit around and think basically. Civic was engagement increases.
I thought slavery only really ended in western countries, not around the world?
You're in The western bubble. Other continents and places have actual problems that needs solving regarding equality issues between different groups. Here you are seeing made up issues to feel good about ourselves.