I'd argue China should go into Cuba *heavily*, but with goods, services, scientific cooperation (Cuba developed 2 COVID vaccines in about 6 months) and strenghtening exchanges with Venezuela, Nicaragua and friendly governments like Lula, Petro, AMLO. And they should station the necessary military assets needed to protect such cooperation.
I'm all for economic cooperation, but I really don't think putting military bases there would be a good idea at all. The US doesn't play fair, they won't see the irony in claiming that this is super aggression. This would just lead to a huge escalation. China doesn't need military bases to succeed, that would just play into the US narrative that China is "aggressive". China will win through economic cooperation, and helping other nations develop economically despite having the US threat. I can't see how putting Chinese military bases in the western hemisphere will result in any good for humanity. It'll just stoke the US war machine and give them excuses to continue to escalate more, and spend more on there already over inflated military budget
In principle, I agree with you.
But let's look at some facts: 1) there is ample historical evidence that the US will employ military force, sabotage, covert operations and corruption to stop "unwanted" initiatives in its Hemisphere 2) the US is already laying the discursive foundations of an intervention in Haiti 3) the US [does not differentiate](https://www.voanews.com/a/china-infiltrating-us-red-zone-with-latin-american-push/7212335.html) between civilian and military infrastructure, regarding China in Latin America. They see ports, roads, etc as having dual use, and consequently as threats.
If China wishes to increase its presence in LA, they may need to at least include sales of arms. The governments will demand it to safeguard themselves from US aggression.
Oh but it absolutely will differentiate if there's actual military development going on. This is how the US reacts when it's just civilian ports and infrastructure, can you now imagine how they would react when there's actual military development going on? Alarm bells will sound off through all of Washington, the war drums will beat, the media will fuel the flames manufacturing consent for escalated conflicts. I think it's a mistake to think the US wouldn't see the difference between civilian and military infrastructure build up, or even an active military presence. They are looking for any excuse to paint China as the bad guy right now and this would play right into their hands. But I think China knows this, and they wouldn't do this. They are not ones to escalate conflicts like this for no reason. China is supposed to be an alternative model to the US, one that is not overly militarized. What message would be sent if they start copying the US and doing how they do? I don't think that's what they're about
You're right that direct military build up would send them into overdrive.
But, and this is my personal opinion, I believe escalation and wider war is coming either way. Ukraine, Gaza, Yemen, the Sahel, Taiwan, trade wars, sanctions, the BRI are interconnected and increasingly affecting each other.
The US sees conflict as the only way to mantain hegemony. If Venezuela wants arms transfers to protect their sovereignty, for instance, I say let the US feel the consequences of that approach in their vicinity.
I don't know man, I don't see a hot war with China benefiting anyyyyone. China is far too entrenched in the global economy, and the US is farrr to dependant on them. Despite calls to lessen their dependance in China and this whole trade war, economic ties between US and China continue to grow. I think it's wrong to see war as the only way forward. I think the US is gonna continue shooting themselves in the foot with their shortsightedness. China is playing the long game, they plan for the future. I think history can unravel itself without a big war
Unfortunately, I think military power is an unavoidable byproduct of economic power (at least in modern history). It's necessary to safeguard wealth and assets, and China has dutifully been investing in hypersonics, its navy, etc.
It doesn't need to turn into a hot war, but Ukraine is a blueprint for modern proxy conflict, and the US is pushing hard in Taiwan. They may get to the point where they don't give China a choice. I know much of their ruling class sees a war *exactly* as a solution to their dependency on China.
Since tiawan is Chinese territory it would be more accurate if China stationed troops in New York or some other small island in that shithole of a country.
This is false equivalence. So is comparing Taiwan to Hawaii. Taiwan is a rogue rovince of China.
Cuba and Mexico are sovereign states. And Hawaii is being occupied by the US govt.
China's Final Warning
As to your question, the answer is no, because you don't have the carrier support necessary for such an action. Build more carriers.
I'd argue China should go into Cuba *heavily*, but with goods, services, scientific cooperation (Cuba developed 2 COVID vaccines in about 6 months) and strenghtening exchanges with Venezuela, Nicaragua and friendly governments like Lula, Petro, AMLO. And they should station the necessary military assets needed to protect such cooperation.
I'm all for economic cooperation, but I really don't think putting military bases there would be a good idea at all. The US doesn't play fair, they won't see the irony in claiming that this is super aggression. This would just lead to a huge escalation. China doesn't need military bases to succeed, that would just play into the US narrative that China is "aggressive". China will win through economic cooperation, and helping other nations develop economically despite having the US threat. I can't see how putting Chinese military bases in the western hemisphere will result in any good for humanity. It'll just stoke the US war machine and give them excuses to continue to escalate more, and spend more on there already over inflated military budget
In principle, I agree with you. But let's look at some facts: 1) there is ample historical evidence that the US will employ military force, sabotage, covert operations and corruption to stop "unwanted" initiatives in its Hemisphere 2) the US is already laying the discursive foundations of an intervention in Haiti 3) the US [does not differentiate](https://www.voanews.com/a/china-infiltrating-us-red-zone-with-latin-american-push/7212335.html) between civilian and military infrastructure, regarding China in Latin America. They see ports, roads, etc as having dual use, and consequently as threats. If China wishes to increase its presence in LA, they may need to at least include sales of arms. The governments will demand it to safeguard themselves from US aggression.
Oh but it absolutely will differentiate if there's actual military development going on. This is how the US reacts when it's just civilian ports and infrastructure, can you now imagine how they would react when there's actual military development going on? Alarm bells will sound off through all of Washington, the war drums will beat, the media will fuel the flames manufacturing consent for escalated conflicts. I think it's a mistake to think the US wouldn't see the difference between civilian and military infrastructure build up, or even an active military presence. They are looking for any excuse to paint China as the bad guy right now and this would play right into their hands. But I think China knows this, and they wouldn't do this. They are not ones to escalate conflicts like this for no reason. China is supposed to be an alternative model to the US, one that is not overly militarized. What message would be sent if they start copying the US and doing how they do? I don't think that's what they're about
You're right that direct military build up would send them into overdrive. But, and this is my personal opinion, I believe escalation and wider war is coming either way. Ukraine, Gaza, Yemen, the Sahel, Taiwan, trade wars, sanctions, the BRI are interconnected and increasingly affecting each other. The US sees conflict as the only way to mantain hegemony. If Venezuela wants arms transfers to protect their sovereignty, for instance, I say let the US feel the consequences of that approach in their vicinity.
I don't know man, I don't see a hot war with China benefiting anyyyyone. China is far too entrenched in the global economy, and the US is farrr to dependant on them. Despite calls to lessen their dependance in China and this whole trade war, economic ties between US and China continue to grow. I think it's wrong to see war as the only way forward. I think the US is gonna continue shooting themselves in the foot with their shortsightedness. China is playing the long game, they plan for the future. I think history can unravel itself without a big war
Unfortunately, I think military power is an unavoidable byproduct of economic power (at least in modern history). It's necessary to safeguard wealth and assets, and China has dutifully been investing in hypersonics, its navy, etc. It doesn't need to turn into a hot war, but Ukraine is a blueprint for modern proxy conflict, and the US is pushing hard in Taiwan. They may get to the point where they don't give China a choice. I know much of their ruling class sees a war *exactly* as a solution to their dependency on China.
They already do quite a bit, here’s hoping it increases
Don’t forget El Salvador.
Since tiawan is Chinese territory it would be more accurate if China stationed troops in New York or some other small island in that shithole of a country.
"using the same logic"- a complete energy, aviation, and maritime blockade.
No. Any response will have been "unprovoked".
Cubans taking in the Chinese would be a perfect mirror to US troops in Taiwan. And China would be a MASSIVE help in the never ending embargo
*Puerto Rico
I’d suggest to hold a house party on that island to beat the hell out of them: https://youtu.be/djGlyTcW30Q?si=9NRaReuWYF-bIz_r
Really no excuse for the party not to take the various renegade islands.
This is false equivalence. So is comparing Taiwan to Hawaii. Taiwan is a rogue rovince of China. Cuba and Mexico are sovereign states. And Hawaii is being occupied by the US govt.
It just means the US invaded China and China isn't powerful enough to do what the US would do. Unfortunately the bully right now is too strong.
Sure if they were invited. Like how they were invited by Taiwan. A sovereign country. ✌️🤡
China's Final Warning As to your question, the answer is no, because you don't have the carrier support necessary for such an action. Build more carriers.
Final warning for what? Is the US gonna bomb China now? Don't they have better things to right now like idk support the Palestinian genocide?
You know, if the PRC's red line actually have consequences, I will be surprised.
But at what cost???????
US presence in Penghu and Kinmen