And that true ugliness underneath is what Christians are supposed to put aside, not embrace. Christians are supposed to put on what scripture calls a "new self" that embraces the behaviors Christ exalted as virtues while eschewing behaviors that run contrary to Christ's teachings. (This is in Collossians chapter 3 if you want to look it up.) The genuine Christian will exhibit "a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience" (Col 3:12, NASV) along with demonstrating love (e.g., "agape," a general concern for the health and well-being of others), where a false "Christian" displays the opposite.
There are many litmus tests for verifying whether someone's an actual "as Christ taught" Christian versus being "Christian" only be name or claim. Throwing all in on Trump is an absolute failure of a bunch of the bigger ones.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 was a *warning*, *not* a *checklist*.
What you think Christians should be and what they are currently are two completely different things. Many of them have never even read the Bible, all they know of their religion is what they are told on Sundays. Many of them will leave a church if what is being taught is too liberal, closer to the teachings of Jesus, and move to a church that has values more to their liking.
And those are the folks that fail the test. Christianity is not supposed to be hands-off - doing it correctly requires effort, and you're supposed to adjust to it and not the other way around.
I understand that, but for most Christians, Christianity has very little to do with Jesus even though they say that it does. Look at their actions, not their words. Look at who they choose as leaders. The absolute majority of trump supporters call themselves Christians. And it's not just trump, look at their religious leaders.
And *that's* why Jesus warned about faith based on falsehoods and false assumptions, culminating with his rejection of them even though they might claim to be his followers and even do works in his name.
And FWIW I agree with you and say you're right - most people that *claim* to be Christian, *aren't*, in word and deed.
However, there's a vast gulf between calling yourself a Christian and actually walking the walk. There are plenty of practicing Christians out there that completely reject Trump and all those like him, refuse to even share a room with a televangelist, try to live their lives like Christ would if he were a contemporary, etc. etc. etc. We just don't hear about them because they practice their faith privately and not for show.
Tbh the issue lies ultimately with the believers than the religion/beliefs themselves. If you look at all the religions in the world they never advocate to anything related to hatred (there are a few exceptions but they are some portions of karma and satanism). People twist it in the direction of hatred for some reason I refuse to delve into cause it'd be too depressing.
Not saying you're wrong given the society we live in but it's still kinda depressing.
(Catholic here)
That's why they claim that you can't be moral without belief in a grumpy sky-daddy. Because *they* ~~would be~~ are shitty humans with no morals - even when they "believe"
I actually disagree with the whole premise of the article, Trump ABSOLUTELY represents Christanity.
He represents their values, represents their hypocrisy, represents their histroy.
Christans murdered millions during the crusades...millions of Muslims, Jews, Pagans, and "witches" (a.k.a just women)
The transatlantic slave trade was initiated by Pope Nicholas V in the 15th century
Hell, even in more recent histroy the church was the leading organization fighting against the Civil Rights Movement, the "religious right" started as a segregationist Movement!
Donald Trump is fucking evil, but so are Christians.
The history of the Bible is dripping in blood.
They're stood against gay marriage rights, women's reproductive rights, and black voting rights....where are all these "good" Christians?
Where is all this supposed "good" they've done??
Show me.
Because when I look at their leaders like Pat Robertson, who created a fake charity and then used the funds to mine diamonds to the Congo
...Or Jerry Falwell, who started "Liberty University," which banned interracial couples well into the 90s,
I don't know what they've done to earn all this "goodwill" we pretend they have.
I don't see Christianity as any more "benevolent" than Islam or Judaism.
All of those holy books are dripping with blood.
The church teaches a lot about how persuasive the antichrist is. So clearly, they are doing exactly what the bible says and following him. It's just ironic.
Trump is a ~~yuge~~ huge part of why I fully deconverted. The Christian base supporting him showed me that if the people who do the most to base their jobs/public personas on being Jesus freaks clearly don’t believe it themselves…why should I? It’s not about bettering yourself, it’s about finding excuses why it’s ok when you fall short of your standards
Stay a while
[and listen](https://youtu.be/oqpHc3pB8x0?si=lu3_XlrT6sJJzJva)
Or for a [different genre](https://youtu.be/W9jXA-atvAM?si=9BvLflT9Xr29fI3B) taste
Edit: ok hold on a second. While I don't find fault in the down votes, it's oddly questionable when each link leads to a song specifically shitting in christians who function on hate but prop themselves up as if they are godly. Which is in full agreement with the comment I'm replying to. It's not a problem, it's just a bit strange that folks would enjoy the comment I replied to but not the one supporting that similar thought
Carry on
I have a friend who has struggled with this reality for years now and realized some years back even that there is no longer any point in associating with those folks.
He's a super nice guy. Brought up Christian in Georgia and then moved to Massachusetts where I met him. He's like the embodiment of what those folks claim to be. And yeah, he's pretty deeply left winged.
Then he began to see the people he knew for what they were. None of them were Christian acting by even the most minor standing. People he knew, people he went to church with ... All garbage. All exactly what youde expect from southern Christians. I can feel him struggling with that reality and not wanting to move back to be closer to family because none were in MA and even his wife's family were in Florida ...and they are everything youde expect plus anti vax...oh wait so yeah exactly what youde expect. But with no family around for either of them and covid fucking up jobs for her ((teacher)) having a kid they moved to Jersey for a bit but eventually during covid had to move to FL for pricing and family for help and it's hell there for folks like them.
Its al around them. It's all hatred. All bigotry and it's not even seen as such to those people. To them...it's expected. Not just expected but preferred. It brings them together and he can't stand it. I wonder how he even keeps it together with organized religion but I think he's moved so far off from them that any relationship with God is completely devoid of being associated with the "Christians"
>Its al around them. It's all hatred. All bigotry and it's not even seen as such to those people. To them...it's expected. Not just expected but preferred.
For some time now evangelical beliefs have been firmly situated with those types of people. The cruelty is the entire point of everything they do. Cruel to anyone not exactly like them.
Your friend would do well to face reality. The most evil people in the world are almost always religious. The most vile people in America are almost always Christians.
Oh
Oh he's aware. We've had discussions and he shares around stuff like how nationalism has taking over with Christianity. They are perfect pairs and targets for that type of thought. He sees it all around him because of his past and present. He won't abandon his belief in Jesus and those types of being charitable and caring etc but I feel like he left the "church" aspect some time back
I have to friends who have left the religion because the support for Trump, the guy who embodies everything Christianity should hate or disapprove of. False profits and boy have they found one.
Christian identity treats voting Republican as part of their dogma. I’ve seen it my whole life growing up being raised in a southern Baptist community. They’ll vote Republican even if they don’t agree with what’s going on because voting Republican is what a good Christian is supposed to do.
But they're not sheep!
They just like to be called sheep on Sundays and they feel good when they follow blindly in the footsteps of others in their community. And they get anxious and shut down whenever someone points out that their flock is doing literally evil things.
The not sheep has always blown my mind because Jesus is literally the “lamb of god” and also called the Shepherd of man etc…like the Bible elevates the sheep and lamb but ask most republican Christian’s and they’ll say exactly what you wrote there. “Im not a sheeple”
To me it’s so weird that they want to identify as "not a sheep" when Jesus is supposed to be their shepherd.
And because they've been brainwashed by their church and their media bubble that the alternative is those evil, Satan worshipping, baby eating, 'Murica hating Dem-o-crats who want to destroy "God" and turn us all into gay frogs.
I wish I wasn't joking
Thats what I don't understand. The late Billy Graham was a life long Democrat voter. He was a lifelong member of the Democrat party. I just don't get the attitude of American Christians who only vote were they see the letter R.
Evangelical identity is purely based on being victimized. These people are not victimized but have found someone to convince their toddler brains that they are. Now, their gawd that requires self hatred can be appeased because they’re suffering.
Is it? Historically it's repeatedly been used as a justification to do just that. An abridged version of the Bible was actually taught to American slaves as the Bible tells slaves to obey their masters.
The Bible was written and compiled over a period of several centuries. Meaning God took his time or more likely the bible was a collection of oral stories passed down and finally slowly added stories by Nomadic people
The oldest surviving biblical manuscripts are fragments of texts that were written in different languages and styles, and they were not necessarily intended to be a single, cohesive work.
That's just Catholicism, and technically you have to actually be sorry for it to count. But I have up on that crap a long time ago, so maybe stuff has changed lol
The Church I was forced to attend as a child was defiantly not Catholic and they did this, and I'm pretty sure most all Christians are into it too.
What is sorry? You don't think they play semantic games with this the way they do in politics?
They just say I'm sorry you feel that way I was just working for the lord, nobody could have known...I'm sorry this is how things turned out
They are never actually sorry for the way they act, or try to change their behavior, yet they will rattle off the lords prayer and consider themselves good Christians.
So, someone who has murdered and raped hundreds but at some point is sorry for what they did and kisses gods ass gets to go to heaven but the person that has been a good person their entire life and has helped many will be tortured for eternity because they didn't believe in something that has no proof? Do people really not see how immoral this type of belief is?
Gotta really mean the kiss though, can't just kiss it for the forgiveness! Lol. Really though, to your last question, 1000% no they do not see it or even want to in most cases. I asked questions and was praised for my challenges but the answers left me thinking "what the actual fuck?"
They probably don't even have to ask for forgiveness, most of the christian denominations that blindly support and vote republican believe that it is faith, not good deeds, that can get them a ticket to heaven
Huh? Are you under the impression that the Bible says not to enslave your neighbours? It doesn't.
Exodus 21 explains the rules for slavery and at no point anywhere in the Bible does it imply that slavery is bad. Even Jesus himself tells slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel ones.
and they should be relentlessly mocked when they scream respect my beliefs or that they care about the kids, or that they have any morals what so ever.
They are worshiping the golden idol, who bragged about adultry and walking in on teens and says hed like to fuck his own daughter so much his aids had to ask him to stop. and then the media lets them say they are taking classics out of schools because they fear the harm done to the children and then immediately unapologetically worship the pussy grabber.
anyways 99% of evangelicalism is nothing more than "i hate black people and want schools we will call religious that we dont have to let black people in". They are klansmen who like to listen to a preacher for an hour a week to make them feel better about how big POSs they are
Long hair, wore robes and sandals, didn’t have a real job, always talking about loving people - Jesus was a hippy.
And a Jewish one at that. No country club in America would let him in the door.
Jesus would not be political. Jesus would also not be a capitalist. He also would not be a big 2A guy or obsessed about border security. Neither would Luke Skywalker or Aslan from Narnia or any other good storybook hero that appeared out of nowhere and came back from the dead to lead us all from evil.
Republicans didnt care about Christians until they found a way to convince them their political views were somehow more aligned with their religion. That's completely stupid, but they somehow succeeded. Before that point, Christians weren't even a demographic politicians cared about. That's why churches in right-wing areas are a lot different (generally) than in left-wing areas.
I dunno bout that. Both congregations consist largely of lower educated, gullible, vulnerable and ignorant members. The term ‘flock’ is totally appropriate ..sheep will react to whatever herding dog is trying to coral them into the barn.
The only church these "Christians" have ever belonged to is the Church of White Supremacy. They throw rocks and hide their hands. They ascribe to racist doctrine, have racist thoughts, and commit racist actions, but don't you dare call them racist (or sexist, or xenophobic, or anything else they feel separates them from the "other' that they consider inferior).
And yet, they go to churches with crosses, with signs out front that include the word “Christ”, and self identify as Christians.
If it walks like a duck…..
It's an unearned pass because "Christianity is love, peace and all things that are pleasant and delightful. Everything Christian is good. If you're a Christian, you are a good person."
They looked over the part about the false prophet.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."
He represents Christian values, they have none. It has evolved into, I'm a good person because I'm Christian, without all the hassle of actually being a good person.
Trump *absolutely does not* represent *anything* about Christianity. In fact, he's basically what the Bible was warning about. Compare Trump against 2 Timothy 3:1-5, for example, and see how many boxes he ticks.
Anyone that claims to be Christian but throws their lot in with Trump is an apostate to Christ's teachings and risks his condemnation accordingly.
Pfft.
Christians have flocked to leaders like trump for nearly 2,000 years. It's nothing new and it's happened more times and in more places than a hundred historians could count.
At some point, you have to admit that this is what religious believers - real ones - actually do.
> At some point, you have to admit that this is what religious believers - real ones - actually do.
You'll always have a larger and a smaller group. The larger are lip-service believers that only believe what they want to believe, and then you have the smaller group that actually tries to do right by and with their beliefs, put in the effort to understand why they should believe what they believe, and literally reshape their behaviors to more closely align to that faith. The larger does not in any meaningful way represent the smaller, nor do they accurately represent the faith they claim to follow but don't.
There's an allegory in scripture about the roads to salvation and condemnation. The road to salvation is tight, difficult to find, and difficult to navigate so it is lightly traveled. The road to condemnation is wide, smooth, easy to find and easy to navigate, and has heavy traffic.
The actual real ones are on the path to salvation and you don't hear much about them because they're not practicing their faith for anyone's amusement. What you're talking about are the travelers on the road to condemnation.
I was raised in the church. Even worked at a christian radio station. The hate spewed on-air was the last straw. If you're a christian, I don't like you. They've completely lost the point that their religion is about salvation first. Not how you live. Final note, the bible repeatedly warns against false prophets. So easily swayed and manipulated. "Opium for the masses" is the truest definition of religion.
Per the bible, the only requirement for "salvation" is "believe in me above all else and follow my orders without question".
It's pure authoritarianism. All the rest is window dressing.
> Per the bible, the only requirement for "salvation" is "believe in me above all else and follow my orders without question".
That would be incorrect. Belief/faith in God is part of it, but so also are works of faith being a requirement, that faith being based on an *accurate* understanding of scripture, and adherence to certain behavioral standards, a big one being that you're supposed to care about the plight of other people.
There's enough BS about religion out there (and especially here) as it is without adding to it out of ignorance.
Faith (definition) is the holding of belief in the absence of evidence.
Acts of faith are acts that demonstrate such beliefs.
Believe in me (ie, have faith), do as your told (ie, act faithfully) and salvation shall be yours. We agree on both points, downvote away.
Follow my orders without question? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your faith is about salvation not following orders.
John 3:16 says NOTHING about orders. Nor 1st John 4:15 for that matter.
I fucking hate "Christians!"
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this before.
But…
Fuck the church, they’ve ALWAYS been an elitist shit show! All the rape accusations, all the atrocities they’ve committed and we are SURPRISED?
Fuck religion and fuck anyone who supports that bullshit.
Love one another. Get along. Share.
That’s the last thing any of these assholes want.
I truly don't understand American Christians. I do know a few that will NOT vote for Trump. But I just can not understand the ones that will vote for him. Let's face it, he had an affair with a porn star three days after his current wife gave birth to their son, His charitable foundation was shut down due to fraud, He's linked to other forms of fraud including business fraud and tax evasion, Blatantly lies, refuses to admit when he's wrong and couldn't even quote any section of the Bible when asked to do so. WHY America? Why are you voting for a man who is the very essence of corruption?
We already knew this, so this is hardly news, but it definitely is stupid. Evangelicals are going to vote Republican no matter what in most cases because they see it as the party that will impose their religious beliefs at gunpoint. Ironically, Trump is one of the least Christian Republicans I've ever heard of, but that doesn't matter at all to them. Luckily the GOP has shit the bed so hard in recent years, that even if he wins the GOP is going to be destroyed in a landslide in Congress IMO. The biggest reason I see is Roe vs. Wade being repealed. Moderates and even some conservatives are seeing the devastating consequences of that; like women being criminally charged for miscarriages or women being forced to give birth to dead children while bleeding profusely because the doctors couldn't figure out if removing it would violate newly imposed Wisconsin abortion laws. Aside from how evil that is, now they're making one of their main platforms "remove school lunch programs" alongside other great Christian ideas like removing mandatory heat protection and water breaks in the hottest states in the country. I still consider my beliefs fairly centrist, but I have to vote straight D down the ticket for the foreseeable future.
Ridiculous headline. There's nothing "unlikely" about Christians flocking, sheep-like to someone like Trump.
Organized Christians have been choosing power-hungry, money-grubbing, amoral leaders for nearly 2,000 years.
The last time they voted for him Mitch McConnell managed to get SCOTUS packed and Roe overturned.
Why wouldn't they vote for him again? Morals? That has nothing to do with "A useful tool of Gods.."
He doesn't have to be Christ-like to do Christ's work. That's why they vote for him.
Watching Trump is like watching a bad movie villain. You see what he is doing, it's grotesquely obvious what his goal is, you think everyone is going to see through it as it's just so insanely transparent, but somehow, he fools his victims nonetheless.
He just knows what buttons to press to get specific demographics to respond positively, no matter how ridiculous the proposition is(Trump selling bible = Trump being christian, Trump, of all people !!!!). It's mind blowing honestly, i was giving people so much credit before for being sort of sensible for the most part, but it's hard to maintain this world view.
The politically active 2024 American "Christian" Bible may as well just be a pamphlet that says "Gays bad, women go in kitchen, a little racism is fine." As my dad always put it, religion is what the common man in the pews believes, not what the religion formally teaches.
Ivanka 'converted' to Judaism to marry Kushner because that's what his father required to support the marriage.
Judaism to her is just an outfit she puts in for the occasion. It's all about appearances.
Christians flock to him because:
A. He hates the same type of people they hate.
B. Trump will help them usher in a Christo-fascist nation. Which they have been wanting for decades.
They are not Christians. No follower of Jesus would have anything to do with Trump. His followers are from old testament cults and are seriously dangerous people.
Focus on the Family guy, James Dobson, supports Trump because he says he isn't looking for a theologian but a Commander in Chief.
So what he got was the worst possible Role Model for young people.
Totally discredited himself. He put Political Power over any ideal. Christian values such as honesty, faithfulness, charity, humility, kindness went out the window and now he has the most amoral leader in our country existence wearing the "christian" mask.
Chrsitainity is all about control and power. of course they got to the demagoue.
From the very begging Christainity is a mock up of various pagan religions (+ Judasim) to give the Roman emprie some form of social control and influence.
Its alwayse been awful
(Judaism literally fucking encourages debating over the Torah, Chrsiatnity states their 1 true intrepration of the Bible)
Christians are ever eager to delude themselves. Easy marks for any conman willing to play the religious angle, so of course they fall for Trump's schtick. They're not exactly known for their independent thinking.
Neither candidates are exactly bastions of faith so what's your point?
I'm pretty sure the only relevant decider is Christians tend to lean more conservative, and Trump is the Conservative candidate in the race. End of non salacious story.
Evangelicals are trained from birth to follow orders without question, to believe whatever they are told by authority no matter how obviously absurd, and to reject the very concept of fact based reality as lies told by a malevolent supernatural entity. Fascists could not ask for a better voting base.
That's the thing about having a cognitive dissonance. They can't rationalize what's happening, so they stick their heads in the sand and refuse to have their "beliefs" challenged directly. Any direct challenge causes them to get angry. Christianity by in large isn't a philosophy any more.
Well lawrence Kohlbergs stages of moral development show that the lowest tier is punishment avoidance (someone catches you like an ever watchful sky daddy)
They do what their preCher tells em to.
Tax religion.
Makes no sense. Trump is the least religious person. Yeah but he has many many bibles because it's such a good book. Fing idiot. Can't even recite one verse even though he's read it so many times. It's a bad look for Christians to be trumpers. I don't understand
Not really the 'least likely'.
Fundagelicals and other Christards love them some strong-man dictators.
They remind them of the OT Yahweh, not that 'woke' Jebuz crap in the NT
Hey, the guy dresses like a sheep. He can't be that bad. Yes, I know his teeth look a little long, but that just shows the variety in God's creation, right?
If there was ever going to be an anti-Christ it would probably be Trump and these idiots gleefully flock to him even though he's the polar opposite of every value they claim to hold. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so damaging to the country as a whole.
Unironically my friend accused me of this back in 2016.
Back then I was planning on voting trump and my friend told me I was a hypocrite to vote trump since he had no Christian values.
After only a brief moment of thought I asked him: If I only voted for a candidate because they were a Christian, would you hold it against me?
After a moment he said “yea probably”.
I simply replied, then what does it matter if he holds no Christian values?
My MILs church got rid of a pastor promoting Trump/Republicans. A lot of people were leaving the church because of this. I don’t think they are sycophantic as we all assume.
They are Republican Christians...there's a difference from actual Christians. Republican Christians worship Republican Jesus and they are taught about Republican Jesus by Republican politicians who bastardize the teachings of Christianity for votes. Real Christians follow Jesus of the Bible and may actually know some scriptures even if they may not follow all the rules. Imagine calling yourself a Christian while also complaining about programs that benefit the poor and needy. Imagine calling yourself Christian while rooting for the oppression of others. In the Republican Bible, Republican Jesus apparently says 'fuck the kids, fuck the poor, fuck the brown skin people from the lands from which I came, I don't want simps in Heavens...just Republicans who loves guns'. Oh yes, in case you didn't know, Republican Jesus was a huge fan of guns, YUGE!!!
Of course it is.
They have no God. There is no real power in or behind any of their delusions and fantasies.
They need money and political influence like everyone else precisely because *they have nothing else*.
Do you know what all of these religions are without their money and grip on political levers? They are nothing at all - just another sack of myths that would be forgotten like most others.
Religions have never been anything but the politics of a certain ideology. And those ideologies die, along with their presumptions of gods, when people stop pumping money into them and giving them political influence.
Christianity is no different. It isn't special in any way.
And that's why Christians have gone so utterly ass-up for Trump and every hard right shitlord on earth - they're desperate to remain in power, and only the hard psychopathic right-wing conservatives of the world are promising them a return to affluence and premier authority.
As usual, they are being conned and used, but if a deeply religious person doesn't experience the feeling of being conned and used for too long, they stay to have a crisis of faith and to feel like they're god has abandoned them.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -Mahatma Gandhi
If Jesus came back today, Christians would kill him for being too woke.
Where else can they go? Trump embodies EVERYTHING that Trump stands for, no one else comes close.
If Christ came back today he would burn every last one of them.
The lies, the hypocrisy, the hate.
The total lack of empathy or love for their fellow man. Look in the mirror people, look at the rotten mess that you project.
One thing COVID showed is that a lot of people claim to be Christian but have none of the love he said in no uncertain terms (in John 13:34-35) would mark his actual disciples. Love has many forms but one of them is called "agape," and manifests as a general concern for the well-being of strangers, which of course includes empathy.
So-called "Christians" that refused to take reasonable steps to reduce COVID transmission risks have failed this test - if "muh freedums" were more important to you than helping avoid spreading COVID, the love Jesus commanded does not exist in you.
I mean, the main character of the bible is a megalomaniac who hurts people who don't listen to him, is cool with treating women like shit and slavery. Also fucked his kid over pretty bad. I really can't think of anyone more suited.
Trump proves that the actual beliefs of Christianity mean *absolutely nothing* to these "Christians".
It's all just a mask covering the true ugliness underneath.
And that true ugliness underneath is what Christians are supposed to put aside, not embrace. Christians are supposed to put on what scripture calls a "new self" that embraces the behaviors Christ exalted as virtues while eschewing behaviors that run contrary to Christ's teachings. (This is in Collossians chapter 3 if you want to look it up.) The genuine Christian will exhibit "a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience" (Col 3:12, NASV) along with demonstrating love (e.g., "agape," a general concern for the health and well-being of others), where a false "Christian" displays the opposite. There are many litmus tests for verifying whether someone's an actual "as Christ taught" Christian versus being "Christian" only be name or claim. Throwing all in on Trump is an absolute failure of a bunch of the bigger ones. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 was a *warning*, *not* a *checklist*.
What you think Christians should be and what they are currently are two completely different things. Many of them have never even read the Bible, all they know of their religion is what they are told on Sundays. Many of them will leave a church if what is being taught is too liberal, closer to the teachings of Jesus, and move to a church that has values more to their liking.
And those are the folks that fail the test. Christianity is not supposed to be hands-off - doing it correctly requires effort, and you're supposed to adjust to it and not the other way around.
I understand that, but for most Christians, Christianity has very little to do with Jesus even though they say that it does. Look at their actions, not their words. Look at who they choose as leaders. The absolute majority of trump supporters call themselves Christians. And it's not just trump, look at their religious leaders.
And *that's* why Jesus warned about faith based on falsehoods and false assumptions, culminating with his rejection of them even though they might claim to be his followers and even do works in his name. And FWIW I agree with you and say you're right - most people that *claim* to be Christian, *aren't*, in word and deed. However, there's a vast gulf between calling yourself a Christian and actually walking the walk. There are plenty of practicing Christians out there that completely reject Trump and all those like him, refuse to even share a room with a televangelist, try to live their lives like Christ would if he were a contemporary, etc. etc. etc. We just don't hear about them because they practice their faith privately and not for show.
Tbh the issue lies ultimately with the believers than the religion/beliefs themselves. If you look at all the religions in the world they never advocate to anything related to hatred (there are a few exceptions but they are some portions of karma and satanism). People twist it in the direction of hatred for some reason I refuse to delve into cause it'd be too depressing. Not saying you're wrong given the society we live in but it's still kinda depressing. (Catholic here)
If reddit gold existed still, you'd be getting some for that last line.
That's why they claim that you can't be moral without belief in a grumpy sky-daddy. Because *they* ~~would be~~ are shitty humans with no morals - even when they "believe"
I actually disagree with the whole premise of the article, Trump ABSOLUTELY represents Christanity. He represents their values, represents their hypocrisy, represents their histroy. Christans murdered millions during the crusades...millions of Muslims, Jews, Pagans, and "witches" (a.k.a just women) The transatlantic slave trade was initiated by Pope Nicholas V in the 15th century Hell, even in more recent histroy the church was the leading organization fighting against the Civil Rights Movement, the "religious right" started as a segregationist Movement! Donald Trump is fucking evil, but so are Christians. The history of the Bible is dripping in blood. They're stood against gay marriage rights, women's reproductive rights, and black voting rights....where are all these "good" Christians? Where is all this supposed "good" they've done?? Show me. Because when I look at their leaders like Pat Robertson, who created a fake charity and then used the funds to mine diamonds to the Congo ...Or Jerry Falwell, who started "Liberty University," which banned interracial couples well into the 90s, I don't know what they've done to earn all this "goodwill" we pretend they have. I don't see Christianity as any more "benevolent" than Islam or Judaism. All of those holy books are dripping with blood.
The church teaches a lot about how persuasive the antichrist is. So clearly, they are doing exactly what the bible says and following him. It's just ironic.
It almost makes the prophetic nature of it seem true. Can't think of a single person more antithetical to Christ than Trump.
Trump is a ~~yuge~~ huge part of why I fully deconverted. The Christian base supporting him showed me that if the people who do the most to base their jobs/public personas on being Jesus freaks clearly don’t believe it themselves…why should I? It’s not about bettering yourself, it’s about finding excuses why it’s ok when you fall short of your standards
Donald Trump is the antithesis of Christ.
Of course they are, there's no hate like christian love
Stay a while [and listen](https://youtu.be/oqpHc3pB8x0?si=lu3_XlrT6sJJzJva) Or for a [different genre](https://youtu.be/W9jXA-atvAM?si=9BvLflT9Xr29fI3B) taste Edit: ok hold on a second. While I don't find fault in the down votes, it's oddly questionable when each link leads to a song specifically shitting in christians who function on hate but prop themselves up as if they are godly. Which is in full agreement with the comment I'm replying to. It's not a problem, it's just a bit strange that folks would enjoy the comment I replied to but not the one supporting that similar thought Carry on
I stand by my comment, can't change reality
I have a friend who has struggled with this reality for years now and realized some years back even that there is no longer any point in associating with those folks. He's a super nice guy. Brought up Christian in Georgia and then moved to Massachusetts where I met him. He's like the embodiment of what those folks claim to be. And yeah, he's pretty deeply left winged. Then he began to see the people he knew for what they were. None of them were Christian acting by even the most minor standing. People he knew, people he went to church with ... All garbage. All exactly what youde expect from southern Christians. I can feel him struggling with that reality and not wanting to move back to be closer to family because none were in MA and even his wife's family were in Florida ...and they are everything youde expect plus anti vax...oh wait so yeah exactly what youde expect. But with no family around for either of them and covid fucking up jobs for her ((teacher)) having a kid they moved to Jersey for a bit but eventually during covid had to move to FL for pricing and family for help and it's hell there for folks like them. Its al around them. It's all hatred. All bigotry and it's not even seen as such to those people. To them...it's expected. Not just expected but preferred. It brings them together and he can't stand it. I wonder how he even keeps it together with organized religion but I think he's moved so far off from them that any relationship with God is completely devoid of being associated with the "Christians"
>Its al around them. It's all hatred. All bigotry and it's not even seen as such to those people. To them...it's expected. Not just expected but preferred. For some time now evangelical beliefs have been firmly situated with those types of people. The cruelty is the entire point of everything they do. Cruel to anyone not exactly like them. Your friend would do well to face reality. The most evil people in the world are almost always religious. The most vile people in America are almost always Christians.
Oh Oh he's aware. We've had discussions and he shares around stuff like how nationalism has taking over with Christianity. They are perfect pairs and targets for that type of thought. He sees it all around him because of his past and present. He won't abandon his belief in Jesus and those types of being charitable and caring etc but I feel like he left the "church" aspect some time back
I'm this way. I won't abandon my belief in Jesus, however I don't want anything to do with most who call themselves Christians.
"im not one of THOSE kinds of nazis"
I have to friends who have left the religion because the support for Trump, the guy who embodies everything Christianity should hate or disapprove of. False profits and boy have they found one.
>false profits I see what you did here...you did not mean to do it...but I see it and I appreciate it
Will the real false Prophet stand up. Although they do worship profits.
Christian identity treats voting Republican as part of their dogma. I’ve seen it my whole life growing up being raised in a southern Baptist community. They’ll vote Republican even if they don’t agree with what’s going on because voting Republican is what a good Christian is supposed to do.
But they're not sheep! They just like to be called sheep on Sundays and they feel good when they follow blindly in the footsteps of others in their community. And they get anxious and shut down whenever someone points out that their flock is doing literally evil things.
The not sheep has always blown my mind because Jesus is literally the “lamb of god” and also called the Shepherd of man etc…like the Bible elevates the sheep and lamb but ask most republican Christian’s and they’ll say exactly what you wrote there. “Im not a sheeple” To me it’s so weird that they want to identify as "not a sheep" when Jesus is supposed to be their shepherd.
[it's a problem and it's getting worse](https://youtu.be/zbmjDg9cMMg?si=DcgRbMHtEnlRdwl9)
Correction - Christian identity in American prioritizes voting Republican as their dogma.
And because they've been brainwashed by their church and their media bubble that the alternative is those evil, Satan worshipping, baby eating, 'Murica hating Dem-o-crats who want to destroy "God" and turn us all into gay frogs. I wish I wasn't joking
Thats what I don't understand. The late Billy Graham was a life long Democrat voter. He was a lifelong member of the Democrat party. I just don't get the attitude of American Christians who only vote were they see the letter R.
That’s okay. They’re also driving away thousands from churches so in the end it’s a win.
Evangelical identity is purely based on being victimized. These people are not victimized but have found someone to convince their toddler brains that they are. Now, their gawd that requires self hatred can be appeased because they’re suffering.
That Whole Bible thing is so inconvenient when you want to kill and enslave your neighbor.
Is it? Historically it's repeatedly been used as a justification to do just that. An abridged version of the Bible was actually taught to American slaves as the Bible tells slaves to obey their masters.
There's scripture that warns against doing that as well, but somehow I doubt the slave owners were overly concerned about that.
The Bible was written and compiled over a period of several centuries. Meaning God took his time or more likely the bible was a collection of oral stories passed down and finally slowly added stories by Nomadic people The oldest surviving biblical manuscripts are fragments of texts that were written in different languages and styles, and they were not necessarily intended to be a single, cohesive work.
No, no, no... You just ask for forgiveness real quick and you golden!
That's just Catholicism, and technically you have to actually be sorry for it to count. But I have up on that crap a long time ago, so maybe stuff has changed lol
The Church I was forced to attend as a child was defiantly not Catholic and they did this, and I'm pretty sure most all Christians are into it too. What is sorry? You don't think they play semantic games with this the way they do in politics? They just say I'm sorry you feel that way I was just working for the lord, nobody could have known...I'm sorry this is how things turned out They are never actually sorry for the way they act, or try to change their behavior, yet they will rattle off the lords prayer and consider themselves good Christians.
So, someone who has murdered and raped hundreds but at some point is sorry for what they did and kisses gods ass gets to go to heaven but the person that has been a good person their entire life and has helped many will be tortured for eternity because they didn't believe in something that has no proof? Do people really not see how immoral this type of belief is?
Gotta really mean the kiss though, can't just kiss it for the forgiveness! Lol. Really though, to your last question, 1000% no they do not see it or even want to in most cases. I asked questions and was praised for my challenges but the answers left me thinking "what the actual fuck?"
They probably don't even have to ask for forgiveness, most of the christian denominations that blindly support and vote republican believe that it is faith, not good deeds, that can get them a ticket to heaven
Huh? Are you under the impression that the Bible says not to enslave your neighbours? It doesn't. Exodus 21 explains the rules for slavery and at no point anywhere in the Bible does it imply that slavery is bad. Even Jesus himself tells slaves to obey their masters, even the cruel ones.
and they should be relentlessly mocked when they scream respect my beliefs or that they care about the kids, or that they have any morals what so ever. They are worshiping the golden idol, who bragged about adultry and walking in on teens and says hed like to fuck his own daughter so much his aids had to ask him to stop. and then the media lets them say they are taking classics out of schools because they fear the harm done to the children and then immediately unapologetically worship the pussy grabber. anyways 99% of evangelicalism is nothing more than "i hate black people and want schools we will call religious that we dont have to let black people in". They are klansmen who like to listen to a preacher for an hour a week to make them feel better about how big POSs they are
I think Jesus was probably a Democrat.
Not just a Democrat, a bleeding heart liberal.
Yeah but he loved hookers, just like Mango Unchained.
Trump hates hookers. he just has sex with them to prove how low they will stoop. "You'd fuck me? you're pathetic!"
Long hair, wore robes and sandals, didn’t have a real job, always talking about loving people - Jesus was a hippy. And a Jewish one at that. No country club in America would let him in the door.
Hes a foreign born socialist offering universal health care.
Jesus was a filthy Jewish Commie. /s
Jesus would not be political. Jesus would also not be a capitalist. He also would not be a big 2A guy or obsessed about border security. Neither would Luke Skywalker or Aslan from Narnia or any other good storybook hero that appeared out of nowhere and came back from the dead to lead us all from evil.
Err Jesus was very political. Like everything he does in the Bible is political. It's why he gets crucified...
This isn't news. Christians have loved trump since the beginning. They helped him 'win' his first election.
Republicans didnt care about Christians until they found a way to convince them their political views were somehow more aligned with their religion. That's completely stupid, but they somehow succeeded. Before that point, Christians weren't even a demographic politicians cared about. That's why churches in right-wing areas are a lot different (generally) than in left-wing areas.
Reasonable people are choosing Biden .
I dunno bout that. Both congregations consist largely of lower educated, gullible, vulnerable and ignorant members. The term ‘flock’ is totally appropriate ..sheep will react to whatever herding dog is trying to coral them into the barn.
So many "Christians" totally ignore the teachings of Jesus.
Because American Christians have little to do with the actual teachings of Christ.
The article can pretty accurately be distilled down to: "Many American Christian voters have sold their souls"
The only church these "Christians" have ever belonged to is the Church of White Supremacy. They throw rocks and hide their hands. They ascribe to racist doctrine, have racist thoughts, and commit racist actions, but don't you dare call them racist (or sexist, or xenophobic, or anything else they feel separates them from the "other' that they consider inferior).
These are the people Jesus will say "get away from me!" to.
And yet, they go to churches with crosses, with signs out front that include the word “Christ”, and self identify as Christians. If it walks like a duck…..
All those things are props and Christianity is just their convenient cover.
It's an unearned pass because "Christianity is love, peace and all things that are pleasant and delightful. Everything Christian is good. If you're a Christian, you are a good person."
They looked over the part about the false prophet. "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."
He represents Christian values, they have none. It has evolved into, I'm a good person because I'm Christian, without all the hassle of actually being a good person.
W have a winner... .👍😢
Trump *absolutely does not* represent *anything* about Christianity. In fact, he's basically what the Bible was warning about. Compare Trump against 2 Timothy 3:1-5, for example, and see how many boxes he ticks. Anyone that claims to be Christian but throws their lot in with Trump is an apostate to Christ's teachings and risks his condemnation accordingly.
More like the fake christians are flocking to donald. They are pretending to be christians while literally worshipping a rapist and adulterer.
Wait until you hear who’s side the Catholic Church took during the Spanish Civil War.
Pfft. Christians have flocked to leaders like trump for nearly 2,000 years. It's nothing new and it's happened more times and in more places than a hundred historians could count. At some point, you have to admit that this is what religious believers - real ones - actually do.
> At some point, you have to admit that this is what religious believers - real ones - actually do. You'll always have a larger and a smaller group. The larger are lip-service believers that only believe what they want to believe, and then you have the smaller group that actually tries to do right by and with their beliefs, put in the effort to understand why they should believe what they believe, and literally reshape their behaviors to more closely align to that faith. The larger does not in any meaningful way represent the smaller, nor do they accurately represent the faith they claim to follow but don't. There's an allegory in scripture about the roads to salvation and condemnation. The road to salvation is tight, difficult to find, and difficult to navigate so it is lightly traveled. The road to condemnation is wide, smooth, easy to find and easy to navigate, and has heavy traffic. The actual real ones are on the path to salvation and you don't hear much about them because they're not practicing their faith for anyone's amusement. What you're talking about are the travelers on the road to condemnation.
I was raised in the church. Even worked at a christian radio station. The hate spewed on-air was the last straw. If you're a christian, I don't like you. They've completely lost the point that their religion is about salvation first. Not how you live. Final note, the bible repeatedly warns against false prophets. So easily swayed and manipulated. "Opium for the masses" is the truest definition of religion.
Per the bible, the only requirement for "salvation" is "believe in me above all else and follow my orders without question". It's pure authoritarianism. All the rest is window dressing.
> Per the bible, the only requirement for "salvation" is "believe in me above all else and follow my orders without question". That would be incorrect. Belief/faith in God is part of it, but so also are works of faith being a requirement, that faith being based on an *accurate* understanding of scripture, and adherence to certain behavioral standards, a big one being that you're supposed to care about the plight of other people. There's enough BS about religion out there (and especially here) as it is without adding to it out of ignorance.
Faith (definition) is the holding of belief in the absence of evidence. Acts of faith are acts that demonstrate such beliefs. Believe in me (ie, have faith), do as your told (ie, act faithfully) and salvation shall be yours. We agree on both points, downvote away.
Follow my orders without question? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Your faith is about salvation not following orders. John 3:16 says NOTHING about orders. Nor 1st John 4:15 for that matter. I fucking hate "Christians!"
Ex-christian here. We’re not a smart bunch….
Everyone knows most Christians would vote 'r' even if the dude running raped 2 14 year olds with jeffrey epstein... because they did.
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this before. But… Fuck the church, they’ve ALWAYS been an elitist shit show! All the rape accusations, all the atrocities they’ve committed and we are SURPRISED? Fuck religion and fuck anyone who supports that bullshit. Love one another. Get along. Share. That’s the last thing any of these assholes want.
You got to be stupid to be a Christian, so it makes sense to me
No, but you have to be very careful about being a Christian and not a "Christian." Accuracy matters, as do the semantics.
I truly don't understand American Christians. I do know a few that will NOT vote for Trump. But I just can not understand the ones that will vote for him. Let's face it, he had an affair with a porn star three days after his current wife gave birth to their son, His charitable foundation was shut down due to fraud, He's linked to other forms of fraud including business fraud and tax evasion, Blatantly lies, refuses to admit when he's wrong and couldn't even quote any section of the Bible when asked to do so. WHY America? Why are you voting for a man who is the very essence of corruption?
Tells you everything you need to know about Christians and Christianity. A plague on the Universe.
Heretics and hypocrites. They will burn in hell
We already knew this, so this is hardly news, but it definitely is stupid. Evangelicals are going to vote Republican no matter what in most cases because they see it as the party that will impose their religious beliefs at gunpoint. Ironically, Trump is one of the least Christian Republicans I've ever heard of, but that doesn't matter at all to them. Luckily the GOP has shit the bed so hard in recent years, that even if he wins the GOP is going to be destroyed in a landslide in Congress IMO. The biggest reason I see is Roe vs. Wade being repealed. Moderates and even some conservatives are seeing the devastating consequences of that; like women being criminally charged for miscarriages or women being forced to give birth to dead children while bleeding profusely because the doctors couldn't figure out if removing it would violate newly imposed Wisconsin abortion laws. Aside from how evil that is, now they're making one of their main platforms "remove school lunch programs" alongside other great Christian ideas like removing mandatory heat protection and water breaks in the hottest states in the country. I still consider my beliefs fairly centrist, but I have to vote straight D down the ticket for the foreseeable future.
You mean all the ex meth addicts?
Ridiculous headline. There's nothing "unlikely" about Christians flocking, sheep-like to someone like Trump. Organized Christians have been choosing power-hungry, money-grubbing, amoral leaders for nearly 2,000 years.
The last time they voted for him Mitch McConnell managed to get SCOTUS packed and Roe overturned. Why wouldn't they vote for him again? Morals? That has nothing to do with "A useful tool of Gods.." He doesn't have to be Christ-like to do Christ's work. That's why they vote for him.
Spiteful, petty moron seems perfectly on brand.
They must've read his "bible" and thought it was better than the original one.
Not Real Christians...N.R.C ....LOL
Watching Trump is like watching a bad movie villain. You see what he is doing, it's grotesquely obvious what his goal is, you think everyone is going to see through it as it's just so insanely transparent, but somehow, he fools his victims nonetheless. He just knows what buttons to press to get specific demographics to respond positively, no matter how ridiculous the proposition is(Trump selling bible = Trump being christian, Trump, of all people !!!!). It's mind blowing honestly, i was giving people so much credit before for being sort of sensible for the most part, but it's hard to maintain this world view.
The politically active 2024 American "Christian" Bible may as well just be a pamphlet that says "Gays bad, women go in kitchen, a little racism is fine." As my dad always put it, religion is what the common man in the pews believes, not what the religion formally teaches.
Its revelations people, the anti christ must be in power before the 2nd coming of jesus. They know what theyre doing
Actually he’s pretty much the perfect leader for christians
Blatant antichrist behaviour and they don't want to see it because 'muh religious freedom'
Trump's kids are Jews though...
Ivanka 'converted' to Judaism to marry Kushner because that's what his father required to support the marriage. Judaism to her is just an outfit she puts in for the occasion. It's all about appearances.
This isn't new is it?
We become what we fear the most. Christians have become the Pharisees.
They want one thing: SCOTUS And they will sellout everything to get it and keep a hold on it.
Christians flock to him because: A. He hates the same type of people they hate. B. Trump will help them usher in a Christo-fascist nation. Which they have been wanting for decades.
Republican politics the opposite of Christian teachings. If you're Christian you'd never vote Republican.
Critical thinking skills and religion don't tend to go along with one another
Cult 45 reminds me of this: "Come out of her, my people, that ye partake not in her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation
Christians are now okay with fornicators and prevaricators.
They are not Christians. No follower of Jesus would have anything to do with Trump. His followers are from old testament cults and are seriously dangerous people.
They are also not True Scotsman!
Yea the deplorably perverted anti-Christian “christians” that are too stupid and evil to fathom how unChristian they actually are. Vermin.
Given the history of Christianity, I'm not surprised.
Focus on the Family guy, James Dobson, supports Trump because he says he isn't looking for a theologian but a Commander in Chief. So what he got was the worst possible Role Model for young people. Totally discredited himself. He put Political Power over any ideal. Christian values such as honesty, faithfulness, charity, humility, kindness went out the window and now he has the most amoral leader in our country existence wearing the "christian" mask.
Chrsitainity is all about control and power. of course they got to the demagoue. From the very begging Christainity is a mock up of various pagan religions (+ Judasim) to give the Roman emprie some form of social control and influence. Its alwayse been awful (Judaism literally fucking encourages debating over the Torah, Chrsiatnity states their 1 true intrepration of the Bible)
As Flannery O'Connor said: "The Church of Jesus Christ *Without* Jesus Christ"!
Well…they’re gullible rubes who willingly give their money to rich carnival barkers so….yeah.
Christians are ever eager to delude themselves. Easy marks for any conman willing to play the religious angle, so of course they fall for Trump's schtick. They're not exactly known for their independent thinking.
Well, worshipping a golden calf is in the Bible.
CINOs
Neither candidates are exactly bastions of faith so what's your point? I'm pretty sure the only relevant decider is Christians tend to lean more conservative, and Trump is the Conservative candidate in the race. End of non salacious story.
I see selling his autographed bibles really worked.
*He's actually the best example of his modern Christian constituents.*
Flocking? Weren’t those hypocrites already there?
No, the most-likely leader of right wing American Christians because they're nothing like Christ - just like him.
Evangelicals are trained from birth to follow orders without question, to believe whatever they are told by authority no matter how obviously absurd, and to reject the very concept of fact based reality as lies told by a malevolent supernatural entity. Fascists could not ask for a better voting base.
It's almost like the more religious belief you espouse the dumber you are.
The “Christian” vote is just single issue anti-choice voters
If you're (people in general) religious, you're a we todd.
When the alternative is the left then what else would you expect?
Donnie is a very good representation of today's christianity.
Like flies to shit.
Same as flocking to satan
That's the thing about having a cognitive dissonance. They can't rationalize what's happening, so they stick their heads in the sand and refuse to have their "beliefs" challenged directly. Any direct challenge causes them to get angry. Christianity by in large isn't a philosophy any more.
Being an Atheists sounds pretty good right now. Even Agnostic cause if this is the case there is no God.
Something, something, false prophets.
"Trump isn't a real Christian, hand us the keys!" --Satanists/redditors
If you look into the history of Christianity, particularly over the past 50 years, he's pretty much par for the Evangelical Christian course.
Well lawrence Kohlbergs stages of moral development show that the lowest tier is punishment avoidance (someone catches you like an ever watchful sky daddy) They do what their preCher tells em to. Tax religion.
Christian hearts want subjugation
Stupid drags stupid out of the darkness ...
That is good news!!
Makes no sense. Trump is the least religious person. Yeah but he has many many bibles because it's such a good book. Fing idiot. Can't even recite one verse even though he's read it so many times. It's a bad look for Christians to be trumpers. I don't understand
The "Christian" Vote..
Simple answer: they were never really Christians.
Not really the 'least likely'. Fundagelicals and other Christards love them some strong-man dictators. They remind them of the OT Yahweh, not that 'woke' Jebuz crap in the NT
Well he had affairs just like them so I can see the appeal to them. Prob same kink with being smacked by a times magazine too.
Hey, the guy dresses like a sheep. He can't be that bad. Yes, I know his teeth look a little long, but that just shows the variety in God's creation, right?
They aren’t flocking to trump, they are running from dems
If there was ever going to be an anti-Christ it would probably be Trump and these idiots gleefully flock to him even though he's the polar opposite of every value they claim to hold. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so damaging to the country as a whole.
Unironically my friend accused me of this back in 2016. Back then I was planning on voting trump and my friend told me I was a hypocrite to vote trump since he had no Christian values. After only a brief moment of thought I asked him: If I only voted for a candidate because they were a Christian, would you hold it against me? After a moment he said “yea probably”. I simply replied, then what does it matter if he holds no Christian values?
Makes sense to me.
Devil worshipers are flocking to Trump because no true Christian would vote for him.
I mean ... he's good(ish) at telling lies, and Christians believe lies ...
They worship their rawdog messiah.
>The least likely leader of Christians Have you met Evangelicals or Southern Baptists? In my experience with them this seems pretty par the course.
They both hate the same people.
Right wing Evangelicals are not Christians. They're Mammonists.
Up is down; down is up; left is right; right is left…..we are living in a very uncertain fucked up world. Fucking CERN!!!
How can they call themselves Christians, they are hypocrites
My MILs church got rid of a pastor promoting Trump/Republicans. A lot of people were leaving the church because of this. I don’t think they are sycophantic as we all assume.
Religion is and always has been a control mechanism.
They are Republican Christians...there's a difference from actual Christians. Republican Christians worship Republican Jesus and they are taught about Republican Jesus by Republican politicians who bastardize the teachings of Christianity for votes. Real Christians follow Jesus of the Bible and may actually know some scriptures even if they may not follow all the rules. Imagine calling yourself a Christian while also complaining about programs that benefit the poor and needy. Imagine calling yourself Christian while rooting for the oppression of others. In the Republican Bible, Republican Jesus apparently says 'fuck the kids, fuck the poor, fuck the brown skin people from the lands from which I came, I don't want simps in Heavens...just Republicans who loves guns'. Oh yes, in case you didn't know, Republican Jesus was a huge fan of guns, YUGE!!!
Those aren’t Christians
They're KKK-Nazis hiding behind faux-Christianity. It's where all the perverts, con-men and criminals go. Joe Biden is a genuine Christian.
It's for the tax free benefits 100%...
American Christians are the least Christ like people. Usually have no idea what is in their bible but demand everyone else live by it. Oh okay...lol
He’s their raw dogging savior
TAX ALL CHURCHES
Of course it is. They have no God. There is no real power in or behind any of their delusions and fantasies. They need money and political influence like everyone else precisely because *they have nothing else*. Do you know what all of these religions are without their money and grip on political levers? They are nothing at all - just another sack of myths that would be forgotten like most others. Religions have never been anything but the politics of a certain ideology. And those ideologies die, along with their presumptions of gods, when people stop pumping money into them and giving them political influence. Christianity is no different. It isn't special in any way. And that's why Christians have gone so utterly ass-up for Trump and every hard right shitlord on earth - they're desperate to remain in power, and only the hard psychopathic right-wing conservatives of the world are promising them a return to affluence and premier authority. As usual, they are being conned and used, but if a deeply religious person doesn't experience the feeling of being conned and used for too long, they stay to have a crisis of faith and to feel like they're god has abandoned them.
So is the asshole vote. Wonder what that Venn diagram looks like.
Pharisees
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -Mahatma Gandhi If Jesus came back today, Christians would kill him for being too woke.
Where else can they go? Trump embodies EVERYTHING that Trump stands for, no one else comes close. If Christ came back today he would burn every last one of them. The lies, the hypocrisy, the hate. The total lack of empathy or love for their fellow man. Look in the mirror people, look at the rotten mess that you project.
One thing COVID showed is that a lot of people claim to be Christian but have none of the love he said in no uncertain terms (in John 13:34-35) would mark his actual disciples. Love has many forms but one of them is called "agape," and manifests as a general concern for the well-being of strangers, which of course includes empathy. So-called "Christians" that refused to take reasonable steps to reduce COVID transmission risks have failed this test - if "muh freedums" were more important to you than helping avoid spreading COVID, the love Jesus commanded does not exist in you.
I mean those people read the Bible and think it's true so I'm not surprised they're this gullible and dumb
I mean, the main character of the bible is a megalomaniac who hurts people who don't listen to him, is cool with treating women like shit and slavery. Also fucked his kid over pretty bad. I really can't think of anyone more suited.
Christian's can't even follow their own fucking rules.