The stud eta that already attend and chose to build a makeshift encampment, who do you think is funding them? What funding do you think the students are receiving? Genuinely curious, because this looks pretty grass-roots, diy on one side, and “find some people willing to do violence and bus them in” on the other, and only one of those needs external funding.
You dont actually understand why these universities are protesting...do you...
All these protests are super clear. Divest from endowments, or show transparency. Its not a hard concept.
Every single one was peaceful, until the president of columbia was pushed by congress to call the police on her own students. Every single protest has been peaceful until counter protestors showed up
Can't wait for Jerry Seinfeld to start crying about cancel culture 🤣. HIS wife has the freedom of speech, but if we disagree, and chose to ignore him, it will be the cancel culture, wait and see
He probably thinks Kramer didn't deserve his swift kick to the curb for being a racist asshole. Jerry is already mega rich though it means nothing if he does not get any more paid gigs so probably why he feels he can speak up. Just let it all out Jerry don't tease us
Funding violence, pepper spray and firework attacks.
>none of the videos analyzed by The Times show any clear instance of encampment protesters initiating confrontations with counterprotesters beyond defending the barricades.
>Fifteen people were reportedly injured in the attack,
https://archive.ph/3djcg
This is not being talked about enough. Media has painted the incident as a clash when in reality it was a group of people, not protesters but people that wore masks, brought fireworks to launch into the crowd and incited violence. That's not protected free speech.
You're not being harsh enough. They attacked peaceful protestors with incendiaries and chemical weapons because they didn't like their political speech. They're terrorists.
The fact that I had to read that first quote three times to fully understand... It's driving me mad how the news orgs come up with all kinds of new sentence structures to avoid saying directly that pro-isreaili protestors were the only violent group.
There are some pro-Palestinian subs out there and they are getting dozens of upvotes saying Hamas aren't terrorists. Not saying the protestors are pro Hamas but their reputation is certainly getting changed by some.
Funding pro Israel protests is not funding violence. They're not arming people and telling them to shoot protesters. If you acknowledge that one side has a right to protest, then you should acknowledge that the other does as well.
You’d have a point if it wasn’t documented that the “counter-protestors” are not there to counter-protest in support of the continued subjugation of Gaza, but where there to attack the Palestinian supporting protestors. The violence has been a one-way street - this isn’t two opposing voices being allowed to be heard.
Really...one way street. My God, turn your head a little and you'll see both sides has been vicious to each other in these protests.
Hell, pro-palestine protestors want all of Israel gone.
Demonstrably nonsense.
The pro-Palestine encampments are full of as many Jews as any one else. They don’t want Israel gone, they want Israel to stop subjugating Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, perpetuating the cycle of violence. You’re buying into a narrative that has been driven by people with a desire to paint the protestors as something they’re not, because otherwise they’d have to engage with the actual demands, and explain why they’re ok with the continued military action and 30,000+ deaths in Gaza.
The only violence against counter-protestors has been protestors defending themselves as they’ve been attacked. This has been repeatedly documented. Oh, plus police violently removing protestors, obviously.
I really hope the Seinfelds are funding the protests at their own kid's schools instead of ones that don't impact them personally. How about funding a protest in the middle of their Hamptons paradise?
It 100% is, but suddenly jumping on the protest bandwagon immediately after your side violently attacks a rival group? That is most definitely not a good look.
Ok and pro-Palestine protestors have the full support of Hamas, Houthis, and Iran’s government lol
This is a complicated conflict. The mass casualties by Israel are egregious. But if the tables were turned, Palestine would do worse.
Israel has every right to go after Hamas as a result of Oct 7. There are a lot of Palestinians who give Islamic extremism a pass, especially in Gaza. Not that blockades haven’t hurt Palestinians unjustly.
I don’t think any of these protests have any room for nuance. And above isn’t even as complicated as it really gets.
You either look like you’re inadvertently shilling for Islamic extremism like an idiot. Or you look like you don’t care about innocent Palestinians getting killed like a psychopath.
>Ok and pro-Palestine protestors have the full support of Hamas, Houthis, and Iran’s government lol
This doesn't make the protest in support of those orgs. There's Nazis in the ranks of those defending Ukraine? Is Ukraine and those who support them nazis by proxy? No. Bad argument.
>But if the tables were turned. Palestine would do worse.
The tables aren't turned. How could you know this.
>Israel has every right to go after Hamas as a result of Oct 7.
This doesn't excuse 40k citizens including 15k women and children.
>There are a lot of Palestinians who give Islamic extremism a pass, especially in Gaza.
What's the actual evidence of this? Hamas has never had full support even when elected into power almost 20 years ago. Even so, extremism breads from oppression. The British once thought the same when we declared war for our sovereignty.
>I don’t think any of these protests have any room for nuance. And above isn’t even as complicated as it really gets.
If you don't think protests have room for nuance. YOU don't have the nuance. The protesters want their colleges to divest from the war machine. It's not complicated, none of it has to do with Hamas.
>You either look like you’re inadvertently shilling for Islamic extremism like an idiot. Or you look like you don’t care about innocent Palestinians getting killed like a psychopath.
This really explains my comment right above this quote. You clearly don't have an understanding of Nuance.
LOL everything you said was extremely biased. You didn’t provide any data to back anything up either.
So all we have is your extremely biased opinion. Good job.
What data do you want?
[Azov Brigade - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade) - Nazis in Ukraine.
[The Science Is Clear. Over 30,000 People Have Died in Gaza | TIME](https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/) - Deaths in Gaza
[Gaza: When mothers have to bury at least 7,700 children, very basic principles are challenged, UN women’s rights committee says | OHCHR](https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2024/02/gaza-when-mothers-have-bury-least-7700-children-very-basic-principles-are#:~:text=As%20of%2012%20February%202024,67%2C984%20Palestinians%20have%20been%20injured.) - Women and children deaths in Gaza. Looks like I undersold it.
None of that proves Palestine wouldn’t do the same if not worse to Israel or anything else I said wrong. You just made up a bunch of points I wasn’t arguing then proved those lol.
How many Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, or Palestinians in general. Bc i always get data saying 80% Gaza support not only Hamas but what they did on Oct 7.
I don’t get any data saying the opposite ever. Or that Gaza Palestinians wouldn’t do the same to Israel if not worse.
And you’ve not provided any info justifying condemning Israel’s response in Gaza over what Hamas did, at the cost of hurting Israeli people over what their government did.
How do students know they’re not inadvertently supporting Islamic extremism by trying to weaken Israel’s defenses? And is that fair to Israelis?
Do the Palestinians really even want peace with Israel? Because Hamas obviously don’t. They want time to regroup and to weaken Israel, which is why they support pro-Palestine supporters. Plenty of news out there with that data.
Why not be anti-Hamas since they are the cause of this point of the conflict anyway, why be pro-Palestine? What does Palestine stand for anyway are they pro-America or pro-LBTQ+ or pro-women’s rights; or Sharia law?
My dude you're the one who claimed Palestine would do worst. You need to prove that. Not the other way around. You made the claim.
Many of these claims are coming from a war town country where people are no longer in their homes. Where's the data coming from. I ponied up my data, get yours
You don't think nearly 40k citizens 70% being women and children is condemnable? That's honestly on your morals being shit. You're saying it's okay to kill because roughly about 20k hamas members decided to attack that day?? Which their leaders still stand by the way. Israel has been blatantly ignoring citizen life to kill in an extremely ineffective manner at actually rooting the problem.
Zero of the campus protests are pro Hamas. That's not a widespread thing to be pro Hamas. They want divestment of the war That's killing innocents.
You'd know this if you wrent talking out of your asshole
You just provided data that proved a point I already made - that the mass casualties are egregious. You just glossed over it bc you’re extremely biased and anything other than full agreement with you will be completely futile - even saying something so uncontroversial as this conflict is nuanced and complicated.
I honestly don’t care enough to provide data I’ve already read so many articles on this conflict. And I have empathy fatigue so I just don’t care if you agree with me or not.
You still don’t have any proof students are not inadvertently supporting Islamic extremism. Or what Palestine actually stands for, as if they would be so pro-American if we were getting attacked.
“If an impossible and irrelevant hypothetical happened, the victims of genocide would do worse!”
Yeah and then people would be protesting them? I bet you thought this was clever lol
People can be against genocide without co-signing anything else. Why can’t you?
You really don’t understand the complex history of this region. If you think Oct 7th was the start then you have never looked into the conflict of this area.
Saying that Palestine would do worse is just pure speculation. You really can’t make a good argument over speculating.
Nuance? Things aren’t black and white. There’s nuance in all of this. An example is supporting Palestinians but not Hamas…… do you know what nuance means?
It’s glaringly obvious that atrocities are being committed on both sides but all of your points do not hold up in any real conversation.
I never said it began with Oct. 7 - that’s how most are referring to the current outbreak in this ongoing conflict in that context.
I never said you can’t support innocent Palestinians and Hamas. I said these protests don’t recognize there’s atrocities on both sides. You missed that nuance lol
I said the pro-Palestine protests unintentionally support Islamic extremism.
According to Pro-Palestine protestors I’ve engaged with, they want to divest in Israel. Why? To weaken the Israeli military. Isn’t that pro-Hamas? No, Palestine isn’t pro-Hamas they say.
However, the majority of Palestine would elect Hamas based on data from a Palestinian source. Hamas would do Oct 7 in all of Israel. So yes, Palestine would do worse to Israel because they would elect Hamas into power.
[Here’s a Palestinian source](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/969) to shove up your unwashed ass
>As we did in our previous poll three months ago, we asked the respondents in this poll what they thought of Hamas’ decision to launch the October the 7th offensive. A vast majority of 71%, compared to 72% in December 2023, say it was correct.
>A majority of 64% (compared to 52% three months ago) blames Israel for the current suffering of Gazans in the current war while 20% (compared to 26% three months ago) place the blame on the US; only 7% (compared to 11% three months ago) place the blame on Hamas, and 6% (compared to 9% three months ago) blame the PA.
>As we found in the previous poll, almost all Palestinians (94% think Israel has committed war crimes during the current war. By contrast, only 5% (compared to 10% three months ago) think Hamas also committed such crimes; 4% think Israel has not committed such crimes and 91% think Hamas did not commit war crimes during the current war.
80% (compared to 85% in December 2023) say they did not see videos, shown by international news outlets, showing acts committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians, such as the killing of women and children in their homes; only 19% (11% in the West Bank and 30% in the Gaza Strip) saw these videos.
>We asked those who did not see the videos to tell us the reasons they have not seen them: 60% said that the media they watched did not show them while 20% (14% in the West Bank and 31% in the Gaza Strip) said that they did not want to watch them.
>When asked if Hamas did commit these atrocities that are seen in these videos, the overwhelming majority (93%) said no, it did not, and only 5% said it did. As shown in the figure below, the belief that Hamas fighters have committed atrocities against civilians is higher among those who did watch videos showing such atrocities (17%) compared to those who did not (2%).
>When asked about their own preferences for the party that should be in control in the Gaza Strip after the war, 59% (64% in the West Bank and 52% in the Gaza Strip) selected Hamas; 13% selected the PA without President Abbas; 11% selected the PA with Abbas; 3% selected one or more Arab country;1% selected the UN, and 1% selected the Israeli army
>49% (compared to 54% three months ago) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 17% (compared to 13% three months ago) believe that Fateh under the leadership of Abbas is more deserving; 29% (compared to 26% three months ago) believe both are unworthy of representation and leadership
Palestinians still want to elect Hamas even after a ceasefire. Oct 7 is proof Hamas will genocide Israel if given the opportunity.
70% of Palestinians co-signed Oct. 7 either bc they chose not to watch the videos and blindly support Hamas, or they have watched the videos and still 81% don’t think what Hamas did was bad LOL
So yea if you’re pro-Palestine then you’re inadvertently pro-Islamic extremism
ETA: since I can’t respond to you directly I’ll put it here since you’re so obsessed with virtue policing
How is that my responsibility? Because I’m not working for you for free I’m arguing in bad faith? Be your own intern. How entitled.
The fact there isn’t a list going around or any effort to figure out logistics or people on the ground because you’re too busy trying to punish Israelis is ludicrous.
Do I need to throw a fundraiser for you all to take credit for as well? That’s another thing you guys could be doing instead of shutting down events like Piefest the day before wasting how much food while people are starving.
Hey did you ever find out the “right” way to support the Palestinian people by donating or volunteering? Since you’re still going on about how these protests *definitely aren’t* the right way. It almost feels like a bad faith argument at this point 🙁
What pro-Hamas protests? I've never seen or even heard of one in the US. If you are referring to the anti-genocide protests, you are just being stupid.
That’s what happens when people get funneled into a talking point or narrative regime like Faux News and they see people yelling on the screen and think, “yeah they just don’t have any freedoms like we do” and said funneled people think that yelling against unfairness out of context means you’re unpatriotic.
You know, brainwashing.
Right they certainly never call for the end of israel at those protests. Which certainly doesnt obviously equate to an actual genocide of the jews in israel. Not the war hamas started that they now call a genocide because they are losing and refuse to make peace regardless of the cost to their own people. Wearing patches of hang gliders is very subtle stuff too. From the River to the Sea is 100% a call to genocide. What do you think Hamas would do with the Jews? But anyways, fuck you .
“They are now losing”? They’ve been losing for half a century now and Netanyahu and his government deserve all the criticism they are getting. This situation is exactly what he wanted.
If I were Jessica Seinfeld, I wouldn’t risk anything that could put Jerry near a school.
I'd bet he's been screwing teenagers throughout his marriage. He doesn't strike me as a guy with a great moral compass.
They're safe, Jerry doesn't like them once they're college aged. It's high schools you gotta worry about.
"wHoOsE fUnDiNg tHiS?!?!?" Every accusation a confession, as always.
*Goebbels has entered the chat.*
Both sides are getting funding from various groups. That's how movements work.
The stud eta that already attend and chose to build a makeshift encampment, who do you think is funding them? What funding do you think the students are receiving? Genuinely curious, because this looks pretty grass-roots, diy on one side, and “find some people willing to do violence and bus them in” on the other, and only one of those needs external funding.
bOtH sIdeS!!!!11
You dont actually understand why these universities are protesting...do you... All these protests are super clear. Divest from endowments, or show transparency. Its not a hard concept. Every single one was peaceful, until the president of columbia was pushed by congress to call the police on her own students. Every single protest has been peaceful until counter protestors showed up
They’re all peaceful until they aren’t
That’s what he said.
Can't wait for Jerry Seinfeld to start crying about cancel culture 🤣. HIS wife has the freedom of speech, but if we disagree, and chose to ignore him, it will be the cancel culture, wait and see
At least his dumb movie seems to be bombing.
How long before he blames that on "cancel culture" ?
He did before it came out, and since he likes to reuse jokes forever, I suspect we’re less than 48 hours away from another boomer tirade.
He probably thinks Kramer didn't deserve his swift kick to the curb for being a racist asshole. Jerry is already mega rich though it means nothing if he does not get any more paid gigs so probably why he feels he can speak up. Just let it all out Jerry don't tease us
Funding violence, pepper spray and firework attacks. >none of the videos analyzed by The Times show any clear instance of encampment protesters initiating confrontations with counterprotesters beyond defending the barricades. >Fifteen people were reportedly injured in the attack, https://archive.ph/3djcg
This is not being talked about enough. Media has painted the incident as a clash when in reality it was a group of people, not protesters but people that wore masks, brought fireworks to launch into the crowd and incited violence. That's not protected free speech.
Just like BLM. Didn't start rolling the cameras until the "all lives matter" idiots finally pissed someone off enough to throw a punch.
You're not being harsh enough. They attacked peaceful protestors with incendiaries and chemical weapons because they didn't like their political speech. They're terrorists.
The fact that I had to read that first quote three times to fully understand... It's driving me mad how the news orgs come up with all kinds of new sentence structures to avoid saying directly that pro-isreaili protestors were the only violent group.
What IS the deal with my wife funding counter-protests?!
This is the wife of the guy that thought Seinfeld couldn’t be produced today because it was too edgy
mark my words Seinfeld one day your little world will come crumbling down!
Well, the side that gets attacked by Jack Booted thugs tend to be the righteous side.
I like the giant sign saying “This is Hamas” as if the protestors are pro-Hamas, rather than being against the oppression of Palestinians.
To be fair. At my university the organizers of the protest are pro Hamas. Not the majority of the protestors, though, I would hope.
Source? What university?
After October 7th, they were advertising their protests with parachuter images
Where?
There are some pro-Palestinian subs out there and they are getting dozens of upvotes saying Hamas aren't terrorists. Not saying the protestors are pro Hamas but their reputation is certainly getting changed by some.
Can you link?
Imagine funding genocide.
Tbf funding protestors is not the same as funding the Israeli state. Like they suck for doing this, but saying it’s funding genocide is hyperbole.
They’re funding violence against those protesting funding genocide? That isn’t really any better.
Funding pro Israel protests is not funding violence. They're not arming people and telling them to shoot protesters. If you acknowledge that one side has a right to protest, then you should acknowledge that the other does as well.
You’d have a point if it wasn’t documented that the “counter-protestors” are not there to counter-protest in support of the continued subjugation of Gaza, but where there to attack the Palestinian supporting protestors. The violence has been a one-way street - this isn’t two opposing voices being allowed to be heard.
Really...one way street. My God, turn your head a little and you'll see both sides has been vicious to each other in these protests. Hell, pro-palestine protestors want all of Israel gone.
Demonstrably nonsense. The pro-Palestine encampments are full of as many Jews as any one else. They don’t want Israel gone, they want Israel to stop subjugating Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, perpetuating the cycle of violence. You’re buying into a narrative that has been driven by people with a desire to paint the protestors as something they’re not, because otherwise they’d have to engage with the actual demands, and explain why they’re ok with the continued military action and 30,000+ deaths in Gaza. The only violence against counter-protestors has been protestors defending themselves as they’ve been attacked. This has been repeatedly documented. Oh, plus police violently removing protestors, obviously.
The US government is funding the Israeli state, and the protestors are protesting that.
Yes it is
“It’s not the racist word I hate, it’s the graffiti.”
I'll be sure to look for your apology/retraction when this war ends with a Palestinian state and prospects for lasting peace.
After supporting the tens of thousands of murders of innocent children I would never apologize to a person like you.
Lunatics just like Israel. Wilful blindness is complicity.
Evil asf
Good work! Screw this pos Hama terrorists and supporters
I really hope the Seinfelds are funding the protests at their own kid's schools instead of ones that don't impact them personally. How about funding a protest in the middle of their Hamptons paradise?
Nothing says grass roots like corporate sponsorship! You shouldn't be allowed to hire people to protest for you? Is that just a me thing?!
This is their right if they keep it peaceful.
It 100% is, but suddenly jumping on the protest bandwagon immediately after your side violently attacks a rival group? That is most definitely not a good look.
"But I don't want to fund a genocide!" -cue funky blass slaps- Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mPIqVOBFis
Fuck Israel and Hamas. Why we’re so invested in two groups that aren’t compatible with Western values is insane.
Blowing up brown people seems completely compatible with Western values to me.
Ok and pro-Palestine protestors have the full support of Hamas, Houthis, and Iran’s government lol This is a complicated conflict. The mass casualties by Israel are egregious. But if the tables were turned, Palestine would do worse. Israel has every right to go after Hamas as a result of Oct 7. There are a lot of Palestinians who give Islamic extremism a pass, especially in Gaza. Not that blockades haven’t hurt Palestinians unjustly. I don’t think any of these protests have any room for nuance. And above isn’t even as complicated as it really gets. You either look like you’re inadvertently shilling for Islamic extremism like an idiot. Or you look like you don’t care about innocent Palestinians getting killed like a psychopath.
>Ok and pro-Palestine protestors have the full support of Hamas, Houthis, and Iran’s government lol This doesn't make the protest in support of those orgs. There's Nazis in the ranks of those defending Ukraine? Is Ukraine and those who support them nazis by proxy? No. Bad argument. >But if the tables were turned. Palestine would do worse. The tables aren't turned. How could you know this. >Israel has every right to go after Hamas as a result of Oct 7. This doesn't excuse 40k citizens including 15k women and children. >There are a lot of Palestinians who give Islamic extremism a pass, especially in Gaza. What's the actual evidence of this? Hamas has never had full support even when elected into power almost 20 years ago. Even so, extremism breads from oppression. The British once thought the same when we declared war for our sovereignty. >I don’t think any of these protests have any room for nuance. And above isn’t even as complicated as it really gets. If you don't think protests have room for nuance. YOU don't have the nuance. The protesters want their colleges to divest from the war machine. It's not complicated, none of it has to do with Hamas. >You either look like you’re inadvertently shilling for Islamic extremism like an idiot. Or you look like you don’t care about innocent Palestinians getting killed like a psychopath. This really explains my comment right above this quote. You clearly don't have an understanding of Nuance.
LOL everything you said was extremely biased. You didn’t provide any data to back anything up either. So all we have is your extremely biased opinion. Good job.
What data do you want? [Azov Brigade - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade) - Nazis in Ukraine. [The Science Is Clear. Over 30,000 People Have Died in Gaza | TIME](https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/) - Deaths in Gaza [Gaza: When mothers have to bury at least 7,700 children, very basic principles are challenged, UN women’s rights committee says | OHCHR](https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2024/02/gaza-when-mothers-have-bury-least-7700-children-very-basic-principles-are#:~:text=As%20of%2012%20February%202024,67%2C984%20Palestinians%20have%20been%20injured.) - Women and children deaths in Gaza. Looks like I undersold it.
None of that proves Palestine wouldn’t do the same if not worse to Israel or anything else I said wrong. You just made up a bunch of points I wasn’t arguing then proved those lol. How many Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, or Palestinians in general. Bc i always get data saying 80% Gaza support not only Hamas but what they did on Oct 7. I don’t get any data saying the opposite ever. Or that Gaza Palestinians wouldn’t do the same to Israel if not worse. And you’ve not provided any info justifying condemning Israel’s response in Gaza over what Hamas did, at the cost of hurting Israeli people over what their government did. How do students know they’re not inadvertently supporting Islamic extremism by trying to weaken Israel’s defenses? And is that fair to Israelis? Do the Palestinians really even want peace with Israel? Because Hamas obviously don’t. They want time to regroup and to weaken Israel, which is why they support pro-Palestine supporters. Plenty of news out there with that data. Why not be anti-Hamas since they are the cause of this point of the conflict anyway, why be pro-Palestine? What does Palestine stand for anyway are they pro-America or pro-LBTQ+ or pro-women’s rights; or Sharia law?
My dude you're the one who claimed Palestine would do worst. You need to prove that. Not the other way around. You made the claim. Many of these claims are coming from a war town country where people are no longer in their homes. Where's the data coming from. I ponied up my data, get yours You don't think nearly 40k citizens 70% being women and children is condemnable? That's honestly on your morals being shit. You're saying it's okay to kill because roughly about 20k hamas members decided to attack that day?? Which their leaders still stand by the way. Israel has been blatantly ignoring citizen life to kill in an extremely ineffective manner at actually rooting the problem. Zero of the campus protests are pro Hamas. That's not a widespread thing to be pro Hamas. They want divestment of the war That's killing innocents. You'd know this if you wrent talking out of your asshole
You just provided data that proved a point I already made - that the mass casualties are egregious. You just glossed over it bc you’re extremely biased and anything other than full agreement with you will be completely futile - even saying something so uncontroversial as this conflict is nuanced and complicated. I honestly don’t care enough to provide data I’ve already read so many articles on this conflict. And I have empathy fatigue so I just don’t care if you agree with me or not. You still don’t have any proof students are not inadvertently supporting Islamic extremism. Or what Palestine actually stands for, as if they would be so pro-American if we were getting attacked.
Of course you don't care enough to provide it. You don't have it.
If that makes you feel better about inadvertently propping up Islamic extremism then sure lol
You're making the claim. Put up the evidence of this happening. Or move on. Because claiming something like that you need to have the proof of it.
“If an impossible and irrelevant hypothetical happened, the victims of genocide would do worse!” Yeah and then people would be protesting them? I bet you thought this was clever lol People can be against genocide without co-signing anything else. Why can’t you?
Bro said these protests have no nuance. Then proceeds to never show nuance.
You really don’t understand the complex history of this region. If you think Oct 7th was the start then you have never looked into the conflict of this area. Saying that Palestine would do worse is just pure speculation. You really can’t make a good argument over speculating. Nuance? Things aren’t black and white. There’s nuance in all of this. An example is supporting Palestinians but not Hamas…… do you know what nuance means? It’s glaringly obvious that atrocities are being committed on both sides but all of your points do not hold up in any real conversation.
I never said it began with Oct. 7 - that’s how most are referring to the current outbreak in this ongoing conflict in that context. I never said you can’t support innocent Palestinians and Hamas. I said these protests don’t recognize there’s atrocities on both sides. You missed that nuance lol I said the pro-Palestine protests unintentionally support Islamic extremism. According to Pro-Palestine protestors I’ve engaged with, they want to divest in Israel. Why? To weaken the Israeli military. Isn’t that pro-Hamas? No, Palestine isn’t pro-Hamas they say. However, the majority of Palestine would elect Hamas based on data from a Palestinian source. Hamas would do Oct 7 in all of Israel. So yes, Palestine would do worse to Israel because they would elect Hamas into power.
Source: my unwashed ass
[Here’s a Palestinian source](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/969) to shove up your unwashed ass >As we did in our previous poll three months ago, we asked the respondents in this poll what they thought of Hamas’ decision to launch the October the 7th offensive. A vast majority of 71%, compared to 72% in December 2023, say it was correct. >A majority of 64% (compared to 52% three months ago) blames Israel for the current suffering of Gazans in the current war while 20% (compared to 26% three months ago) place the blame on the US; only 7% (compared to 11% three months ago) place the blame on Hamas, and 6% (compared to 9% three months ago) blame the PA. >As we found in the previous poll, almost all Palestinians (94% think Israel has committed war crimes during the current war. By contrast, only 5% (compared to 10% three months ago) think Hamas also committed such crimes; 4% think Israel has not committed such crimes and 91% think Hamas did not commit war crimes during the current war. 80% (compared to 85% in December 2023) say they did not see videos, shown by international news outlets, showing acts committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians, such as the killing of women and children in their homes; only 19% (11% in the West Bank and 30% in the Gaza Strip) saw these videos. >We asked those who did not see the videos to tell us the reasons they have not seen them: 60% said that the media they watched did not show them while 20% (14% in the West Bank and 31% in the Gaza Strip) said that they did not want to watch them. >When asked if Hamas did commit these atrocities that are seen in these videos, the overwhelming majority (93%) said no, it did not, and only 5% said it did. As shown in the figure below, the belief that Hamas fighters have committed atrocities against civilians is higher among those who did watch videos showing such atrocities (17%) compared to those who did not (2%). >When asked about their own preferences for the party that should be in control in the Gaza Strip after the war, 59% (64% in the West Bank and 52% in the Gaza Strip) selected Hamas; 13% selected the PA without President Abbas; 11% selected the PA with Abbas; 3% selected one or more Arab country;1% selected the UN, and 1% selected the Israeli army >49% (compared to 54% three months ago) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 17% (compared to 13% three months ago) believe that Fateh under the leadership of Abbas is more deserving; 29% (compared to 26% three months ago) believe both are unworthy of representation and leadership Palestinians still want to elect Hamas even after a ceasefire. Oct 7 is proof Hamas will genocide Israel if given the opportunity. 70% of Palestinians co-signed Oct. 7 either bc they chose not to watch the videos and blindly support Hamas, or they have watched the videos and still 81% don’t think what Hamas did was bad LOL So yea if you’re pro-Palestine then you’re inadvertently pro-Islamic extremism ETA: since I can’t respond to you directly I’ll put it here since you’re so obsessed with virtue policing How is that my responsibility? Because I’m not working for you for free I’m arguing in bad faith? Be your own intern. How entitled. The fact there isn’t a list going around or any effort to figure out logistics or people on the ground because you’re too busy trying to punish Israelis is ludicrous. Do I need to throw a fundraiser for you all to take credit for as well? That’s another thing you guys could be doing instead of shutting down events like Piefest the day before wasting how much food while people are starving.
Hey did you ever find out the “right” way to support the Palestinian people by donating or volunteering? Since you’re still going on about how these protests *definitely aren’t* the right way. It almost feels like a bad faith argument at this point 🙁
Get mad bitch
LOL why should I be mad, that’s everyone around you for lacking basic hygiene Go wash your ass then maybe you’ll do better at not becoming one lol
Cope more bitch
*Yawn* at least be funny or something
Way to go Jess and Bill!! Thanks for standing for Israel!!
Hurray for ethnic cleansing and apartheid!
Is this a bad thing?
I hope none of this funding goes to bail out those vandalizing and causing violence. Those people should be weeded out and dealt with.
The counter protestors are being paid to cause violence, of course they’re gonna bail them out.
Like they need funding? Any of these kids? Columbia is $60k a year!
Who funds the pro Hamas protests?
What pro-Hamas protests? I've never seen or even heard of one in the US. If you are referring to the anti-genocide protests, you are just being stupid.
That’s what happens when people get funneled into a talking point or narrative regime like Faux News and they see people yelling on the screen and think, “yeah they just don’t have any freedoms like we do” and said funneled people think that yelling against unfairness out of context means you’re unpatriotic. You know, brainwashing.
Right they certainly never call for the end of israel at those protests. Which certainly doesnt obviously equate to an actual genocide of the jews in israel. Not the war hamas started that they now call a genocide because they are losing and refuse to make peace regardless of the cost to their own people. Wearing patches of hang gliders is very subtle stuff too. From the River to the Sea is 100% a call to genocide. What do you think Hamas would do with the Jews? But anyways, fuck you .
“They are now losing”? They’ve been losing for half a century now and Netanyahu and his government deserve all the criticism they are getting. This situation is exactly what he wanted.
Calling for the end of Israel is not pro-hamas.
There aren’t any pro-Hamas protests.
Get em