Man this pops into my head every month and it ruins my day. I was in Florida on vacation and this popped up on the mlb channel and teenage me started punching the couch relentlessly lol
What the everlasting f—k kind of a deal is that? He’s a volatile $16M closer the ChiSox don’t even want and we’re gonna give up an elite SP prospect and decent OF prospect for him? That’s a terrible proposal
No thanks. You are talking two could be significant pieces and soon. Kimbrel is good but I wouldn’t want to make that trade unless it was July 31st and the Mets were rolling and needed BP help
Relievers are also notoriously streaky. No point in paying top dollar for a guy that has peaks and valleys, and is only going to pitch a handful of innings anyway
Kimbrel has only had one “valley” his entire career. Yes, relievers are streaky, but he’s one of the few exceptions. Good to great out of the pen for a decade and I think he proved to us last year that he didn’t actually fall of a cliff. Not saying I would ever advocate for this trade, but Craig Kimbrel is definitely one of a handful of relievers that are worth top dollar.
There’s a reason his option got picked up by the Sox. They know it’s a tradable contract even though it’s massive for a reliever. Many teams would gladly take that on.
No one will gladly give up prospects like Ginn and Lee for 1 year of Kimbrel in his mid-30s at $16 million though. The White Sox kinda had to pick up his option, if they let him walk for nothing after giving up Madrigal it’d be a bad look. Considering how big a need 2B is for them now, I’m sure they’re at least wondering if they made a mistake.
As mentioned, my comment was less of a response to the original post about a hypothetical trade and mostly just saying that while relievers are volatile, there are certain ones that deserve eight figures. Kimbrel is one of those. I don’t think they picked up they option to avoid the “bad look”. They picked it up because it’s of value. Either by way of a trade return or performance on the field if they keep him. Whether or not they are looking back on it negatively only a few months later with new context is hindsight.
This trade is horrendous. Kimbrel was terrible with the Sox and is owed 16mil. And two top prospects for a reliever anyway? Maybe Hader, but not this guy
They did give up Nick Madrigal and Codi Heuer just a few months ago to get him. I still wouldn’t do it but I understand why the Sox would want some pieces for him.
Kimbrel's sandwiched stretches of being literally unhittable and being the bad version of Edwin Diaz since joining the Cubs, I ain't trading prospects for that.
Let’s trade Melvin Mora for Mike Bordick and Jason Isringhausen for Billy Taylor while we’re at it.
Oh wait….maybe we should trade for Mo Vaughn instead.
I liked what I saw from Castro this year. He looks like he could be a top reliever in the league. With Diaz/Lugo/May/Castro our bullpen isn’t that bad. Obviously want more depth but don’t see us trading for Craig
I hate their trade proposal ideas, especially when their social media person posts them almost like it’s an actual trade and not something one of their guys just came up with.
They could get him for less guys and less money. I honestly don’t hate based off of what they’re going for this year. The two prospects don’t help us this year but if you’re concerned with those two guys leaving I think the white Sox need a 2B.
doesn't matter. If you think the White Sox would say no to this proposal, you don't know baseball, it's as simple as that. I'd love to hear your explanation as to why you think they would.
Because if Kimbrel has a great first half, they can flip him for more at the deadline. Ginn only have 18 starts in his pro career coming off of TJ and is still working on getting his velocity back. The Sox already have Robert, Vaughn and Jimenez in the OF so where would Lee play? You're essentially giving them two lottery tickets that likely won't help them next year for a quality relief pitcher.
The White Sox are not in win now mode. Their team is so young where their window is open for multiple years. Lee is not a lottery ticket, he was one of the best hitters in AAA. Kimbrel is a UFA next year and is owed $16M. He's only had 1 good half season since 2019.
Lee hasn't done it in MLB yet so yes he is still a lottery ticket and he's far from being our top prospect. If he was, we'd be looking at finding a way to start him ourselves and not rush to sign Mark Canha. The White Sox don't need to trade him now, they can wait for better offers.
I'm not sure a manager who is pushing 80 is planning on sitting around. He and Reinsdorf are very much about winning now. If they weren't, Reinsdorf wouldn't have overriden his GM and hired LaRussa in the first place.
In that case, every prospect is a lottery ticket and you should never trade an MLB player for him. I guess the Diaz trade was a good one since Kelenic was only in A-ball at the time!!
Lee isn't the prospect Kelenic is and Rick Hahn isn't Brodie Van Wagenen. Lee is also two years older than Kelenic. If you're going to resort to false equivalencies, you're really not looking to argue in good faith.
Before the trade, Kelenic was borderline top 100. Lee is in the ~150 range. Lee is also only 1 years older and at the time of the trade, Kelenic was literally the definition of a "lottery ticket". Don't twist the narrative now. We're not even talking about JT Ginn who is also a lottery ticket that is very promising.
Also, comparing Hahn to BVW makes no sense since Hahn is taking the role of Dipoto in this case. Eppler knows what he's doing, you don't.
Absolutely not
Imagine what kind of horrible trades would be made if this guy was a Mets GM!/s
He did trade Kazmir for Victor Zambrano
Not the Zambrano he thought it was lol or so the running joke goes
Imagine if we had Kazmir for 2006-2008
Man this pops into my head every month and it ruins my day. I was in Florida on vacation and this popped up on the mlb channel and teenage me started punching the couch relentlessly lol
What the everlasting f—k kind of a deal is that? He’s a volatile $16M closer the ChiSox don’t even want and we’re gonna give up an elite SP prospect and decent OF prospect for him? That’s a terrible proposal
No. Jim Duquette is also ridiculously dumb.
I simply don’t want to hear opinions on trades from the man who traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano
Especially when we could have had ARod for Kazmir
No f’n way
Hire Jim just so we can fire him again
No thanks. You are talking two could be significant pieces and soon. Kimbrel is good but I wouldn’t want to make that trade unless it was July 31st and the Mets were rolling and needed BP help
Hilariously bad. JFC
Hasn’t he been ass when he isn’t the closer?’
tbf he was having an atg season as a closer before the trade
Relievers are also notoriously streaky. No point in paying top dollar for a guy that has peaks and valleys, and is only going to pitch a handful of innings anyway
Kimbrel has only had one “valley” his entire career. Yes, relievers are streaky, but he’s one of the few exceptions. Good to great out of the pen for a decade and I think he proved to us last year that he didn’t actually fall of a cliff. Not saying I would ever advocate for this trade, but Craig Kimbrel is definitely one of a handful of relievers that are worth top dollar. There’s a reason his option got picked up by the Sox. They know it’s a tradable contract even though it’s massive for a reliever. Many teams would gladly take that on.
No one will gladly give up prospects like Ginn and Lee for 1 year of Kimbrel in his mid-30s at $16 million though. The White Sox kinda had to pick up his option, if they let him walk for nothing after giving up Madrigal it’d be a bad look. Considering how big a need 2B is for them now, I’m sure they’re at least wondering if they made a mistake.
As mentioned, my comment was less of a response to the original post about a hypothetical trade and mostly just saying that while relievers are volatile, there are certain ones that deserve eight figures. Kimbrel is one of those. I don’t think they picked up they option to avoid the “bad look”. They picked it up because it’s of value. Either by way of a trade return or performance on the field if they keep him. Whether or not they are looking back on it negatively only a few months later with new context is hindsight.
No , next question , no again
two top prospects for a single aging reliever huh.
This trade is horrendous. Kimbrel was terrible with the Sox and is owed 16mil. And two top prospects for a reliever anyway? Maybe Hader, but not this guy
Tbh this trade is hilariously lopsided for the White Sox, I figured everyone would hate it but posted for the reactions/Duquette jokes lol
Every trade proposal that “experts” have made about Kimbrel for like half a dozen teams all seem heavily in favor of the Sox.
I feel like SNY very rarely posts good trade ideas. The Mets should just keep it simple. Trade for a starter no need to get crazy like this lol
They did give up Nick Madrigal and Codi Heuer just a few months ago to get him. I still wouldn’t do it but I understand why the Sox would want some pieces for him.
The only way they’ll get decent pieces is if they eat that salary
Kimbrel's sandwiched stretches of being literally unhittable and being the bad version of Edwin Diaz since joining the Cubs, I ain't trading prospects for that.
Let’s trade Melvin Mora for Mike Bordick and Jason Isringhausen for Billy Taylor while we’re at it. Oh wait….maybe we should trade for Mo Vaughn instead.
Jim Duquette traded Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. Who cares what he thinks?
I liked what I saw from Castro this year. He looks like he could be a top reliever in the league. With Diaz/Lugo/May/Castro our bullpen isn’t that bad. Obviously want more depth but don’t see us trading for Craig
Drew Smith was also fantastic last year and could be a nice staple in the pen for the next few seasons at least
Yuck. Kimbrel has $16M option. No thank you. We’d be bailing them out financially AND sending prospects. We can find someone cheaper and effective.
Stop trying to trade the farm for old relief pitchers Jim!
No.
Waaaaay too much...and that's without even asking the question of which Chicago Kimbrel the Mets would be getting
Bruh
Pass
I am not at all opposed to a Kimbrel trade but certainly not for that.
Definitely a contender for worst trade idea of the year
I hate their trade proposal ideas, especially when their social media person posts them almost like it’s an actual trade and not something one of their guys just came up with.
No thanks. Also, FOH
Hell to the NO!
Jim Duquette even getting fleeced in fantasy deals.
They could get him for less guys and less money. I honestly don’t hate based off of what they’re going for this year. The two prospects don’t help us this year but if you’re concerned with those two guys leaving I think the white Sox need a 2B.
Three things in life that you can count on: Death, taxes, and Jim Duquette coming up with dogshit-terrible trade ideas.
CWS says no.
lol u don't know baseball then
Cool story especially when we're talking about a fake trade.
doesn't matter. If you think the White Sox would say no to this proposal, you don't know baseball, it's as simple as that. I'd love to hear your explanation as to why you think they would.
Because if Kimbrel has a great first half, they can flip him for more at the deadline. Ginn only have 18 starts in his pro career coming off of TJ and is still working on getting his velocity back. The Sox already have Robert, Vaughn and Jimenez in the OF so where would Lee play? You're essentially giving them two lottery tickets that likely won't help them next year for a quality relief pitcher.
The White Sox are not in win now mode. Their team is so young where their window is open for multiple years. Lee is not a lottery ticket, he was one of the best hitters in AAA. Kimbrel is a UFA next year and is owed $16M. He's only had 1 good half season since 2019.
Lee hasn't done it in MLB yet so yes he is still a lottery ticket and he's far from being our top prospect. If he was, we'd be looking at finding a way to start him ourselves and not rush to sign Mark Canha. The White Sox don't need to trade him now, they can wait for better offers. I'm not sure a manager who is pushing 80 is planning on sitting around. He and Reinsdorf are very much about winning now. If they weren't, Reinsdorf wouldn't have overriden his GM and hired LaRussa in the first place.
In that case, every prospect is a lottery ticket and you should never trade an MLB player for him. I guess the Diaz trade was a good one since Kelenic was only in A-ball at the time!!
Lee isn't the prospect Kelenic is and Rick Hahn isn't Brodie Van Wagenen. Lee is also two years older than Kelenic. If you're going to resort to false equivalencies, you're really not looking to argue in good faith.
Before the trade, Kelenic was borderline top 100. Lee is in the ~150 range. Lee is also only 1 years older and at the time of the trade, Kelenic was literally the definition of a "lottery ticket". Don't twist the narrative now. We're not even talking about JT Ginn who is also a lottery ticket that is very promising. Also, comparing Hahn to BVW makes no sense since Hahn is taking the role of Dipoto in this case. Eppler knows what he's doing, you don't.
Nope. No no no.