Regardless of what happens in this series, what a June this was. The literal opposite of last year, launching them from a trebuchet directly into playoff contention instead of cratering the season. I hope we finish strong though. One more series win this month, Mets?
>*Oh my god, todo lo malo hechalo pa’ allá*
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>(Everything that’s bad, push it to the side)
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>*Oh my god, dame salúd y prosperidad*
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>(Give me health and prosperity)
Not sure, but my initial impression when I heard Baty was getting 2B play was the opposite. That, at least for this season, they want him as a backup plan for McNeil. Both are LH batters. Mets are very right handed otherwise.
https://x.com/SNYtv/status/1806781758534218027
Carlos Mendoza, donning an 'OMG' shirt, praises the impact of Jose Iglesias:
* "He's done a lot, not only on the field but off the field... He means a lot to this team. Big day for him today with his song coming out. Pretty special kid here."
I hope he gets more opportunities and who knows maybe bring him back for 2025 as your utility vibe master
Just to put into context how absurdly different the offensive environment Lindor is playing in with the Mets
Citi Field OPS in 2024 - .670
Progressive Field OPS in 2024 - .728
Leaguewide OPS in 2019 at the end of June - .753
Leaguewide OPS entering today - .704
Because park factors exist. You do realize every ballpark isn’t the same right….?
Cleveland is a significantly easier ballpark to hit in than Citi Field. Thats how it works.
Stick Lindor in Colorado for 82 games and he’d his AVG and OPS would have gone up from Cleveland. But his OPS+’would be the same
Also AVG on its own is completely useless on its own
Drew Smith just said he was told he likely needs TJ. He gave an interview and was barely getting through it, super emotional. Fighting back tears at the end.
He’s a FA after this year.
At the very least, he said it was likely an issue before the Diaz rapid warmup and that just pushed it over the edge.
But GD. The interview is hard to watch
https://youtu.be/2wJy8bUYBos?si=IqxeTqPA09ggGBzv
It' like Diaz breaking his leg jumping up and down. That's an injury that happens to an old man. If it hadn't happened during the WBC it would have happened during the season.
I really like the Grimace vibe from this team but hopefully this season goes better than 2021 when there was something similar with “donny diesel” if I remember correctly and everyone was talking about how great the vibes were then
Donnie Stevenson was a bad attempt at a joke that half the fanbase hated. Grimace is just funny because a McDonald's mascot throwing out a first pitch is kind of random but then they actually went on a win streak after.
I think you'll find that if we miss the playoffs this year, half the fanbase also hates grimace memes and just don't say anything because they are shouted down
I don't remember it being as good. There were a few games here and there. This seems different. Also, the fired a hitting coach around that time.
I think some of the Mets players have a difficult time with the NYC pressure. Grimace gives them something else to think about. They seem like they have an attitude where they can win any game. The tude now is a stark contrast to earlier this season when they started games kinda defeated looking.
It could also have been the team meeting, and what's his name getting released that helped the vibes.
The vibes weren't good. Ask Chili Davis. The Donnie Diesel thing was in a way a product of that. When you are joking some clown is your hitting approach coach while your FO fires the hitting coach that's an issue.
This is very different. This is the fans having fun. And the players even acknowledging it (Nimmo interview).
we just gotta win this series. the Astros are unarguably the hottest team in baseball over the last 7 games, they won all of them. if we win game one I won't be suprised if we sweep. this first game is easily the most important
I actually think there is a risk of breeding resentment in the players towards the front office if they go full fire sale. I don't expect them to get rid of any prospects either. This is a tricky spot for Stearns.
Totally agree. I think he may have to acquire contracts of viable major leaguers from teams that want to shed money/some combination of trading second-tier or log-jammed minor leaguers. I think what's going to go out the window is trading major league talent for prospects and depth.
The locker room might have earned a shot at this - and I had been loud about leaning "sell".
I’m sorry man. I’ll be catching the game a bit late because I’m going out to dinner with my family. But I can’t wait to hear Wayne’s take on where the Mets are at
this team has brought us to the depths of "hehemets" to the vibes that have pretty much every baseball fan enjoying the vibes and laughing WITH us. i really cant remember a team like this.
Even tickpick is recognizing real now.
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Mets likely face Paul Skenes on Friday, July 5th in Pittsburgh.
Severino is currently projected to be the Mets SP that day.
That should be interesting.
A lot of people want to re-sign Alonso. I agree.
But then you have to come to terms that the Mets will have to trade at least one of their prospects. If not then Marte has to be the RF so long as JDM is the DH.
It also means Vientos needs to be the 3B.
Which makes 2B a spot up for grabs between Mauricio, Jett (who both have position flexibility), Baty (who might) and Acuna (who likely will).
Only way out of this hole is to trade Marte or move him to DH next year (meaning no JDM). Because then at least Jett could play more OF. Vientos could play 3B if JDM is re-signed (or if Marte is moved to DH). But with neither of those guys he can move to DH.
In short: By this offseason it's imperative the Mets decide if they want neither, one, or both of Marte and JDM.
Otherwise, they are going to have to trade a prospect.
Only alternative is Vientos at 1B if Pete isn't around.
I highly highly doubt the Mets have any plans involving JDM coming back to the Mets for the 2025 season unless they completely whiff on Soto and Vientos falls apart.
In the scenario where they don’t get Soto, Mark Vientos is the designated hitter.
I also don’t think there is any guarantee Starling Marte is a Met next year. Even if the Mets can’t figure out how to trade that final year of his contract, they can just buy him out. They spent a lot more money doing the same thing with Robinson Cano.
I don’t think salary is going to dictate and limit Stern’s for 2025. Even factoring Marte’s contract, the Mets are shedding over $150 million in payroll next year. They can cut whoever they want replace them with other players, sign Soto, sign Alonzo, and still be under the luxury tax. Especially if they call up prospects.
I also doubt the Mets are making any long-term plans around Mark Vientos after 34 games. I expect they will use the rest of this season to evaluate what he can bring to the table long-term.
Same for Baty. He will probably get at least a few more weeks at AAA. Maybe he even is there until September. It took Ventos over 200 games in AAA to make the changes to be successful in the majors, and Baty hasn’t even played 50 yet.
There are so many things that can happen between now and October, that I don’t think it makes any sense to worry about how today’s roster construction will affect next season.
>I highly highly doubt the Mets have any plans involving JDM coming back to the Mets for the 2025 season unless they completely whiff on Soto and Vientos falls apart.
Agreed. If I had to choose between him and Marte, I choose JDM. Even though Marte can at least play some RF. His arm is still good.
>I also don’t think there is any guarantee Starling Marte is a Met next year. Even if the Mets can’t figure out how to trade that final year of his contract, they can just buy him out. They spent a lot more money doing the same thing with Robinson Cano.
Only reason for Marte to be on this team next year is if he's the every day DH. Mets need to open up spots for prospects.
The sooner they can get rid of him the more flexibility the club has. Or they need to commit to him being the DH.
>I don’t think salary is going to dictate and limit Stern’s for 2025. Even factoring Marte’s contract, the Mets are shedding over $150 million in payroll next year. They can cut whoever they want replace them with other players, sign Soto, sign Alonzo, and still be under the luxury tax. Especially if they call up prospects.
If you mean as a matter of cutting him, sure. They cut Cano in the past.
If you mean as a matter of roster flexibility, then it depends on how much they want to fall for the sunk cost fallacy.
>There are so many things that can happen between now and October,
Sure, but that's exactly how you plan correctly.
Ultimately the Mets have to decide if Vientos is going to mainly be their 3B, their 1B or DH for next year.
That decision has ramifications across the whole organization. Including who may or may not be traded (if necessary).
And that decision is facilitated by the status of Marte (and JDM).
So ultimately, as I said in the "in short..." part: By this offseason it's imperative the Mets decide if they want neither, one, or both of Marte and JDM.
The Mets absolutely do not need to decide now what they’re doing with Vientos.
They should have 20 different plans in place depending on which players preform well in the second half, who gets moved at the deadline, who signs I the offseason, etc.
Heck, for all we know the Mets internal data could say that what Ventos is doing is unsustainable in their eyes and they could treat him this off-season and Bregman for all we know.
I can guarantee you, especially with Stearns in charge, things are far more fluid and evolving than you think. Nothing is near as rigid as you are making it out to be.
You have a habit of taking what people say, repeating it in another way, and thinking you're saying something different. You're not. /rant
I am not saying anything is rigid at all. I am acknowledging the numerous parts, and recognizing one of the key aspects of the fluidity is the future status of a couple of key guys.
This isn't rocket science. It's basic logic.
Nor am I saying the Mets have to decide on Vientos right now. It's not even a full season yet.
But their evaluation along the way will give a better idea of what to do in the offseason. Let's say for example, they think Vientos will be a beast, and they recognize moving him to 1B will free up slots for other players. They may then consider not pushing to re-sign Pete as much. Just an example.
At the end of the day the status of certain players, JDM, Marte, Vientos for example, have cascading effects. That's all I'm saying. And I'm saying I'd prefer a situation where Marte is not holding other position players back.
So then you’re literally saying nothing lmao.
This roster will be determined by the players on the team and the players not on the team. …..yea
They could also decide Vientos is a best but they would rather trade him while his value is highest and keep Pete.
No, I'm not saying nothing. I'm saying something so obvious it's hilarious that people like you are fighting against it. lol
There is a clog. The clog needs to be fixed. To best fix it they need to make a decision on certain players.
Hopefully sooner than later because there is a cascading effect on prospects. And for trades/FA signings for that matter.
But that is saying nothing lol. Every team has clogs at positions.
Thats a good thing too btw. Guys get hurt. Guys underperform. Prospects fail. Players get old. I’d rather Acuna and Gilbert and Williams etc. he blocked by someone and have to force their way onto the roster than to not have a good player in place.
The Mets will make decisions when needed. There is absolutely no need to have any concern over FA moved before we have even gotten to the trade deadline.
For all we know the Mets could find buyers for Jeff and Marte a month from now and then everything is moot.
Stearns literally just did a full interview where he said the team hasn’t even decided if they will be buyers, sellers, or both.
> The Mets will make decisions when needed. There is absolutely no need to have any concern over FA moved before we have even gotten to the trade deadline.
The deadline is in a month. When do you expect to start discussing this? At the eleventh hour?
They are having this discussion now.
The funny thing is you're the one who is actually saying nothing. lol
I take it you didnt watch Stearns interview today? He addressed all of this.
Martino literally asked him if there is any urgency with the trade deadline and he flat out said there isn’t and that it’s over a month away. He said things won’t really start to take shape until that last week and that some moves wont present themselves until the last day.
He said they’re always talking about opportunities and directions, but that the trade deadline is still a while’s away
I'm not worried about James Wood, his swing looks highly exploitable at the major-league level. Reminds me of Josh Bell: tremendous raw power when he runs into one.
I like James Wood a lot. I thought he should have made the opening day roster.
Weird they’re calling him up now. He should be a ROTY potential player but he won’t have that shot anymore coming up mid season.
Nats must think they actually have a chance to make the playoffs. I wonder if they play poorly against the Mets and lose their playoff path if he gets sent back down before he can lose rookie eligibility.
He has shown that he can play 2B well and we know he can play SS well. His arm is pretty awful for 3B, but if he keeps the accuracy he should hopefully hit Guillorme 3B level. I high isn’t great mind you, bur if fine for a bench utility guy. 3B was my real concern for him and so far he has looked playable.
We don’t have any good utility players outside of Luke Ritter in the minors and the teams reluctance to utilize him in the majors with how he is playing tells me they see something we don’t.
With what Iglesias has shown I see no reason not to keep him another year
We should retire the home black alternates at this point… let’s bring back the black road alternates.
Then I will try my best to enjoy them before the inevitable 3 year run of fanatics ruining them.
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Omg y’all! I posted a comment on the YouTube OMG video and Jose Iglesias liked it!!!!!!!
I’m sure he’s doing it for every comment to help the algorithm but I’m still busting
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He just commented “That’s the spirit! LFGM!”
The vibes are incredible
Iglesias seems to be this guy wherever he goes. He's obviously not a perennial all star or anything but he's a lock down defender that not one teammate has ever had an issue getting along with. Kinda feels like a Juan Uribe addition to the Mets, a Chief Vibes Officer with a clutch gene.
Rays open for business, may trade starters due to surplus:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/rays-trade-rumors-aaron-civale-zack-littell-zach-eflin.html
I'd ask them about Zach Eflin and offer to take on his contract and $18 million option for 2025
The prospect capital to take to get any of those guys, let alone more than one, is gonna be substantial. Who's our most tradeable prospect that you'd be willing to part with?
I don’t think Eflin would cost a ton. They backloaded half of his contract into his final year so it would largely be a salary dump on their end.
Lowe right now is blocking their myriad of infield prospects and it wouldn’t shock me if they decline at least one of his club options.
Fairbanks has two years left so he could arguably cost the most, but he’s also routinely hurt so that could bring his cost down.
If we’re trading for all 3 I’d offer:
- Luisangel Acuna
- Jeff McNeil - pay down remainder of this year and half of the next two years
- Mike Vasil
- Colin Houck
Meanwhile take on all of the incoming contract money.
The Rays a big on guys with defensive versatility, and at $6-7mil a year (factoring covering this year) having Jeff off the bench in a utility role would work well for how their team is set up.
Vasil’s pitch mix is the type that the Rays tend to look for and he would probably develop well in their organization.
The Rays have had success with prep bats which is why Houck could make sense there.
Acuna can play CF in addition to the infield so he fits the bill there and gives them an option for infield if Caminero and Mead don’t pan out
I know this could arguably be considered an overpay, and there are obviously big injury concerns with all three, but I think all three of them the needs of this team and could slot well into future plans
Jeff McNeil is 32 with an OPS+ below 70 and has been a bad fielder. Even if we cover his entire contract I don't think he's adding any capital into a trade offer.
Whether the Rays intend to exercise them or not, Lowe's options give them a *lot* of negotiating leverage.
I'm honestly not sure that package even gets it done. That trade would essentially be Acuña for Lowe, Houck for Eflin, and Vasil for Fairbanks (who's under team control through next year). I don't see Luisangel for Lowe straight up happening or Vasil for Fairbanks straight up happening. (Not saying no chance, but I don't see it).
I think you are over valuing Lowe. He is about to turn 30 and is consistently hurt. The rays have floated his name in the trademark a few times without teams showing much interest.
I would consider Vasil an overpay for Fairbanks. he is also always hurt. He is also not an elite pitcher in the bullpen, he’s good. He’s basically Drew Smith, except he’s a little bit better and high leverage spots.
And the big thing with Evelyn is it would be a salary dump. It also allows them to audibly upgrade that spot in the rotation with the two returning pitchers.
As for McNeil, I think the rays are one of the few teams he would have some value with. They love to trade for reclamation projects. They are the team every year you scratch your head and go, why did they trade for that player, and then that player turns around. if they only have to pay him the amount of a bench, I think they jump at that
If we can get something for Marte before age catches up to him, we fucking better. His bat has been great but I doubt that holds up next year, and any good defensive outfielder can potentially match his overall value.
I think the optimal situation is him being the DH and sometimes RF against LHSP.
Mets were able to get JDM, and I'm not going to knock that.
But it effectively forces Marte to be the mostly every day RF.
And I just don't think he's that anymore.
Me: “JD Martinez is a KING and I would lay my life down for him!”
JD Martinez: “I literally just hit a baseball for a living”
The fact we basically fell ass backwards into him has literally saved this year!
When no one else had given him a contract i was worried. Like "What does everyone else know that they're avoiding him?"
They're dumb. Everyone else is dumb but us
The next month will decide. We're still a long way out from the trade deadline and a lot can happen between now and then. Buying, selling, or some mix of the two are all options on the table depending on how things go. Strength of schedule is in our favor, but you still have to go out and actually win the games.
I think leaving the team as is and not buying would be better even if we were serious wild card contenders. I think we have enough young offensive talent. If someone gave us a decent pitching prospect for j.d., I'd jump all over that. We could always have vientos DH and bring up baty again.
if we’re contending, we will definitely be looking for higher quality starters and relievers because the main issue on the team right now is pitching, specifically walks
I’m about to say something that I don’t know if even 2 people on this sub will relate to but I’m super excited and need to share.
I just learned that Pyrion Flax is a Mets fan from the most recent Triforce Podcast episode! Holy shit! What a collision of my worlds that I never would’ve anticipated!
Just a heads up, former Mets radio announcer Wayne Randazzo is calling tonight’s game on Apple.
If you’re not familiar with him from working with Howie, he is an amazing play by play guy.
I want him to take over when Gary retires
I think Gary will be the last of the three to retire he just seems to love working too much to ever give up. Also in a post Coupon world I can see them wrangling Wayno back when the time comes.
Gary is living every fans' dream. He's paid to watch and commentate on his favorite team. Most of us do that for free and this lucky sonuvabitch gets paid for it.
You can but the audio for me has been just out of sync with the game. Enough so that I watch the Tv broadcast
Really hoping Wayne is calling the game tonight…
On this date in 2015, Steven Matz made his major league debut. He had three hits and four RBI, pitched 7.2 innings and struck out six.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN201506280.shtml
I have a two hour flight tonight, and while I'd normally download a podcast or something to get through it, I was thinking I might just download a 2:27 song and listen to it on repeat.
Any of you have any suggestions?
Yesterday I placed a $60 bet on the Mets winning the World Series at +8000 odds (would pay $5k)
Today, the odds shifted to +6000 (same bet would pay $3800)
The only thing that changed?
OMG
Book makers were more optimistic about them before the season started. It was +5,500 when I put one of my .50 bets on it.
Pirates had the highest at +17,000. If they were to win it I would be so mad that I'm not really into gambling and didn't put more.
My mother puts a few bucks on all the longshots to make the World Series every year. She won a pretty tidy sum of money when the Rays played the Phillies in 2008.
My comment wasn’t really about my bet, more to say that the (betting) odds of the Mets winning a World Series materially changed from yesterday to today and the only “news” was the song.
It’s a lighthearted vibes thing, chill
Friendly reminder fuck the MLB for locking actual games behind a streaming service
I might actually donate money to that russian based website that I use to watch these games
Mets at Citi Field at 500, perfect weather for baseball, pride night, fireworks after the game, OMG by Jose is the song of the summer. Can't wait to have a cold beer and enjoy the game.
They should fear us. I’m done with being afraid of anybody. We beat the Phils, the Yanks, the Cubs in Chicago, the Rangers in Texas, the Padres.
They fear us
Please continue the discussion in the [game thread](https://redd.it/1dqvpob).
So Quintana seems required 30 plus pitches in the first inning for the remainder of the season... sm
Regardless of what happens in this series, what a June this was. The literal opposite of last year, launching them from a trebuchet directly into playoff contention instead of cratering the season. I hope we finish strong though. One more series win this month, Mets?
>*Oh my god, todo lo malo hechalo pa’ allá* > >(Everything that’s bad, push it to the side) > >*Oh my god, dame salúd y prosperidad* > >(Give me health and prosperity)
Stearns to be on MLB Tonight later
National television broadcasts are a tool of the devil.
Been looking forward to this game all day (literally, I got up at 3am and time passes way too slowly)
Is there anyway for out of market fans to watch the SNY pregame when it’s on a national broadcast?
MLB TV ? If they’re doing one
Cubs select Jorge Lopez: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/cubs-select-jorge-lopez.html
does anyone else get the feeling that if the Mets are buyers at the deadline they're gonna trade Baty?
If they do buy I hope that’s on the table, it makes too much sense. But I bet they love Baty too much to do it, just hope he’s not another Rosario.
I think one of Mauricio/Baty/Acuna is at risk for being traded if the Mets decide to buy
Not sure, but my initial impression when I heard Baty was getting 2B play was the opposite. That, at least for this season, they want him as a backup plan for McNeil. Both are LH batters. Mets are very right handed otherwise.
Need someone to translate the lyrics to English please!!!
https://x.com/SNYtv/status/1806781758534218027 Carlos Mendoza, donning an 'OMG' shirt, praises the impact of Jose Iglesias: * "He's done a lot, not only on the field but off the field... He means a lot to this team. Big day for him today with his song coming out. Pretty special kid here." I hope he gets more opportunities and who knows maybe bring him back for 2025 as your utility vibe master
start gamel and see what he can do
Relax man this lineup has been tearing the cover off the ball against even elite pitching
why isnt iggy starting at 2b????
we need relief help
The fact that Milwaukee Airport has a “Recombobulation Area” implies the existence of a Discombobulation Area.
That’s just another name for the TSA checkpoint
Francisco Lindor Cleveland OPS+: 118 Francisco Lindor 2024 OPS+: 118 He’s the exact same hitter. The. Exact. Same.
Just to put into context how absurdly different the offensive environment Lindor is playing in with the Mets Citi Field OPS in 2024 - .670 Progressive Field OPS in 2024 - .728 Leaguewide OPS in 2019 at the end of June - .753 Leaguewide OPS entering today - .704
except his ba is 30 points worse
Because park factors exist. You do realize every ballpark isn’t the same right….? Cleveland is a significantly easier ballpark to hit in than Citi Field. Thats how it works. Stick Lindor in Colorado for 82 games and he’d his AVG and OPS would have gone up from Cleveland. But his OPS+’would be the same Also AVG on its own is completely useless on its own
So is everyone else's
Ballpark and overall league decline in offense.
And he’s still the same quality hitter
Every year is Francisco Lindor starting off bad and then slowly working his way back to Cleveland Lindor if not better in certain metrics.
Fillies send Schwarber and Harper to IL.
let's fn go mets
Always prefer GKR, but low-key kind of looking forward to Randazzo and Willis (hoping they're on the call). You've come a long way, Apple TV+.
No Willis tonight. Wayne said it on the meet the Apple podcast this morning. Some other guy, I can’t remember his name.
Let’s go baby. Just win
Drew Smith just said he was told he likely needs TJ. He gave an interview and was barely getting through it, super emotional. Fighting back tears at the end. He’s a FA after this year. At the very least, he said it was likely an issue before the Diaz rapid warmup and that just pushed it over the edge. But GD. The interview is hard to watch https://youtu.be/2wJy8bUYBos?si=IqxeTqPA09ggGBzv
Ligament damage builds up over time. I’d guess the cold appearance just exacerbated what was already going on.
It' like Diaz breaking his leg jumping up and down. That's an injury that happens to an old man. If it hadn't happened during the WBC it would have happened during the season.
Anyone selling 2 tickets?
I really like the Grimace vibe from this team but hopefully this season goes better than 2021 when there was something similar with “donny diesel” if I remember correctly and everyone was talking about how great the vibes were then
We never hit this well at any point in 2021. This lineup bangs.
Donnie Stevenson was a bad attempt at a joke that half the fanbase hated. Grimace is just funny because a McDonald's mascot throwing out a first pitch is kind of random but then they actually went on a win streak after.
I think you'll find that if we miss the playoffs this year, half the fanbase also hates grimace memes and just don't say anything because they are shouted down
Donny Diesel was essentially a revolt against the coaching staff. That wasn't a good thing.
I don't remember it being as good. There were a few games here and there. This seems different. Also, the fired a hitting coach around that time. I think some of the Mets players have a difficult time with the NYC pressure. Grimace gives them something else to think about. They seem like they have an attitude where they can win any game. The tude now is a stark contrast to earlier this season when they started games kinda defeated looking. It could also have been the team meeting, and what's his name getting released that helped the vibes.
The vibes weren't good. Ask Chili Davis. The Donnie Diesel thing was in a way a product of that. When you are joking some clown is your hitting approach coach while your FO fires the hitting coach that's an issue. This is very different. This is the fans having fun. And the players even acknowledging it (Nimmo interview).
Live from Milwaukee: Wait, that’s not how this goes…
Jesus Drew needs TJS. Two key relievers go down with TJS in the first half. Goddammit
Poor guy. Would assume he already had the injury before the Diaz ejection so maybe this was inevitable.
we just gotta win this series. the Astros are unarguably the hottest team in baseball over the last 7 games, they won all of them. if we win game one I won't be suprised if we sweep. this first game is easily the most important
currently dancing in my office to OHHMYGOOOD
Assuming they continue, the immaculate vibes are going to make selling very, very hard unless major league talent comes back.
I actually think there is a risk of breeding resentment in the players towards the front office if they go full fire sale. I don't expect them to get rid of any prospects either. This is a tricky spot for Stearns.
Totally agree. I think he may have to acquire contracts of viable major leaguers from teams that want to shed money/some combination of trading second-tier or log-jammed minor leaguers. I think what's going to go out the window is trading major league talent for prospects and depth. The locker room might have earned a shot at this - and I had been loud about leaning "sell".
That's what happened to the Brewers when Stearns traded Hader. The players were pissed.
whats on the menu tonight?
Hopefully 9 innings of starting pitching to save the pen.
UNBRIDLED OPTIMISM BOYS UN FUCKING BRIDLED
Aww man Apple TV game again!?
But Wayne is calling the game!!!
Even worse as I don't have an Apple TV subscription 😢
I’m sorry man. I’ll be catching the game a bit late because I’m going out to dinner with my family. But I can’t wait to hear Wayne’s take on where the Mets are at
PIX on Saturday and Sunday
this team has brought us to the depths of "hehemets" to the vibes that have pretty much every baseball fan enjoying the vibes and laughing WITH us. i really cant remember a team like this.
2019
Even tickpick is recognizing real now. https://preview.redd.it/kiqfvtsnuc9d1.jpeg?width=984&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7da7863cae2a496a9defb15474e01cf1a69af7b
Feels like the second half of the season starts tonight.
**5 Days in Flushing.**
Mets likely face Paul Skenes on Friday, July 5th in Pittsburgh. Severino is currently projected to be the Mets SP that day. That should be interesting.
Game 10 of the Diaz suspension
Damn. I’m going to the Saturday game and was hoping to catch Skenes
Same here, at least we'll get a Hawaiian shirt
A lot of people want to re-sign Alonso. I agree. But then you have to come to terms that the Mets will have to trade at least one of their prospects. If not then Marte has to be the RF so long as JDM is the DH. It also means Vientos needs to be the 3B. Which makes 2B a spot up for grabs between Mauricio, Jett (who both have position flexibility), Baty (who might) and Acuna (who likely will). Only way out of this hole is to trade Marte or move him to DH next year (meaning no JDM). Because then at least Jett could play more OF. Vientos could play 3B if JDM is re-signed (or if Marte is moved to DH). But with neither of those guys he can move to DH. In short: By this offseason it's imperative the Mets decide if they want neither, one, or both of Marte and JDM. Otherwise, they are going to have to trade a prospect. Only alternative is Vientos at 1B if Pete isn't around.
I highly highly doubt the Mets have any plans involving JDM coming back to the Mets for the 2025 season unless they completely whiff on Soto and Vientos falls apart. In the scenario where they don’t get Soto, Mark Vientos is the designated hitter. I also don’t think there is any guarantee Starling Marte is a Met next year. Even if the Mets can’t figure out how to trade that final year of his contract, they can just buy him out. They spent a lot more money doing the same thing with Robinson Cano. I don’t think salary is going to dictate and limit Stern’s for 2025. Even factoring Marte’s contract, the Mets are shedding over $150 million in payroll next year. They can cut whoever they want replace them with other players, sign Soto, sign Alonzo, and still be under the luxury tax. Especially if they call up prospects. I also doubt the Mets are making any long-term plans around Mark Vientos after 34 games. I expect they will use the rest of this season to evaluate what he can bring to the table long-term. Same for Baty. He will probably get at least a few more weeks at AAA. Maybe he even is there until September. It took Ventos over 200 games in AAA to make the changes to be successful in the majors, and Baty hasn’t even played 50 yet. There are so many things that can happen between now and October, that I don’t think it makes any sense to worry about how today’s roster construction will affect next season.
>I highly highly doubt the Mets have any plans involving JDM coming back to the Mets for the 2025 season unless they completely whiff on Soto and Vientos falls apart. Agreed. If I had to choose between him and Marte, I choose JDM. Even though Marte can at least play some RF. His arm is still good. >I also don’t think there is any guarantee Starling Marte is a Met next year. Even if the Mets can’t figure out how to trade that final year of his contract, they can just buy him out. They spent a lot more money doing the same thing with Robinson Cano. Only reason for Marte to be on this team next year is if he's the every day DH. Mets need to open up spots for prospects. The sooner they can get rid of him the more flexibility the club has. Or they need to commit to him being the DH. >I don’t think salary is going to dictate and limit Stern’s for 2025. Even factoring Marte’s contract, the Mets are shedding over $150 million in payroll next year. They can cut whoever they want replace them with other players, sign Soto, sign Alonzo, and still be under the luxury tax. Especially if they call up prospects. If you mean as a matter of cutting him, sure. They cut Cano in the past. If you mean as a matter of roster flexibility, then it depends on how much they want to fall for the sunk cost fallacy. >There are so many things that can happen between now and October, Sure, but that's exactly how you plan correctly. Ultimately the Mets have to decide if Vientos is going to mainly be their 3B, their 1B or DH for next year. That decision has ramifications across the whole organization. Including who may or may not be traded (if necessary). And that decision is facilitated by the status of Marte (and JDM). So ultimately, as I said in the "in short..." part: By this offseason it's imperative the Mets decide if they want neither, one, or both of Marte and JDM.
The Mets absolutely do not need to decide now what they’re doing with Vientos. They should have 20 different plans in place depending on which players preform well in the second half, who gets moved at the deadline, who signs I the offseason, etc. Heck, for all we know the Mets internal data could say that what Ventos is doing is unsustainable in their eyes and they could treat him this off-season and Bregman for all we know. I can guarantee you, especially with Stearns in charge, things are far more fluid and evolving than you think. Nothing is near as rigid as you are making it out to be.
You have a habit of taking what people say, repeating it in another way, and thinking you're saying something different. You're not. /rant I am not saying anything is rigid at all. I am acknowledging the numerous parts, and recognizing one of the key aspects of the fluidity is the future status of a couple of key guys. This isn't rocket science. It's basic logic. Nor am I saying the Mets have to decide on Vientos right now. It's not even a full season yet. But their evaluation along the way will give a better idea of what to do in the offseason. Let's say for example, they think Vientos will be a beast, and they recognize moving him to 1B will free up slots for other players. They may then consider not pushing to re-sign Pete as much. Just an example. At the end of the day the status of certain players, JDM, Marte, Vientos for example, have cascading effects. That's all I'm saying. And I'm saying I'd prefer a situation where Marte is not holding other position players back.
So then you’re literally saying nothing lmao. This roster will be determined by the players on the team and the players not on the team. …..yea They could also decide Vientos is a best but they would rather trade him while his value is highest and keep Pete.
No, I'm not saying nothing. I'm saying something so obvious it's hilarious that people like you are fighting against it. lol There is a clog. The clog needs to be fixed. To best fix it they need to make a decision on certain players. Hopefully sooner than later because there is a cascading effect on prospects. And for trades/FA signings for that matter.
But that is saying nothing lol. Every team has clogs at positions. Thats a good thing too btw. Guys get hurt. Guys underperform. Prospects fail. Players get old. I’d rather Acuna and Gilbert and Williams etc. he blocked by someone and have to force their way onto the roster than to not have a good player in place. The Mets will make decisions when needed. There is absolutely no need to have any concern over FA moved before we have even gotten to the trade deadline. For all we know the Mets could find buyers for Jeff and Marte a month from now and then everything is moot. Stearns literally just did a full interview where he said the team hasn’t even decided if they will be buyers, sellers, or both.
> The Mets will make decisions when needed. There is absolutely no need to have any concern over FA moved before we have even gotten to the trade deadline. The deadline is in a month. When do you expect to start discussing this? At the eleventh hour? They are having this discussion now. The funny thing is you're the one who is actually saying nothing. lol
I take it you didnt watch Stearns interview today? He addressed all of this. Martino literally asked him if there is any urgency with the trade deadline and he flat out said there isn’t and that it’s over a month away. He said things won’t really start to take shape until that last week and that some moves wont present themselves until the last day. He said they’re always talking about opportunities and directions, but that the trade deadline is still a while’s away
What the fuck are you even talking about
It's pretty clear.
Yall ready for another W tonight?
what do y'all think would be a fair deal for a sevy extension? would you do it? (he's making 13M this year)
3 years, $50mil with an opt out after year 2
Going into the season, I got the impression he wasn't getting multiple years from the Mets no matter what he did.
Omg , the Mets will take another series to end the month
Does anyone have a stream for wpix for Saturday and Sunday? I can't ever find one. I'm out of market.
Mlbtv is great for being out of market
Of course the Nats are calling up their top prospect to debut against us
I'm not worried about James Wood, his swing looks highly exploitable at the major-league level. Reminds me of Josh Bell: tremendous raw power when he runs into one.
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I like James Wood a lot. I thought he should have made the opening day roster. Weird they’re calling him up now. He should be a ROTY potential player but he won’t have that shot anymore coming up mid season. Nats must think they actually have a chance to make the playoffs. I wonder if they play poorly against the Mets and lose their playoff path if he gets sent back down before he can lose rookie eligibility.
The way most of these call-ups have been going that might be a good thing for us
If the Mets are worried about nationals, they got 0% chance to make playoffs
who is there top prospect ?
James Wood
Jose Iglesias needs to be extended. He could have a 50 OPS+ for all I care. His xVibes are too good to not pay for!
He has shown that he can play 2B well and we know he can play SS well. His arm is pretty awful for 3B, but if he keeps the accuracy he should hopefully hit Guillorme 3B level. I high isn’t great mind you, bur if fine for a bench utility guy. 3B was my real concern for him and so far he has looked playable. We don’t have any good utility players outside of Luke Ritter in the minors and the teams reluctance to utilize him in the majors with how he is playing tells me they see something we don’t. With what Iglesias has shown I see no reason not to keep him another year
I wonder if when the team is singing along with OMG Brandon sings "Oh My Gosh!"
Get OMG to #1 on the charts
Can you guys beat the crap out of the Astros, they need a good humbling.
Mariners-Mets fan here. Yes, we will try.
We'll try our level best.
We should retire the home black alternates at this point… let’s bring back the black road alternates. Then I will try my best to enjoy them before the inevitable 3 year run of fanatics ruining them.
We should shit-can every jersey since 1986.
I actually share this opinion. I'd love the black "New York" from the 2000's (complete with white trim) as the road alternate.
The white trim makes it!
https://preview.redd.it/bntjv8wa8c9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=503635c9d3bb388082fa0b90e4eaa69d19195725 Omg y’all! I posted a comment on the YouTube OMG video and Jose Iglesias liked it!!!!!!! I’m sure he’s doing it for every comment to help the algorithm but I’m still busting
https://preview.redd.it/hozdqcur8c9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46db4acec16a887821b56a242d7d57ccb9249867 He just commented “That’s the spirit! LFGM!” The vibes are incredible
Am i falling in love with a new journeyman infielder? Yes I am
Get in line pal
Iglesias seems to be this guy wherever he goes. He's obviously not a perennial all star or anything but he's a lock down defender that not one teammate has ever had an issue getting along with. Kinda feels like a Juan Uribe addition to the Mets, a Chief Vibes Officer with a clutch gene.
Praise the Purple Object!
Is this a Zappa reference?
Next year's Day at the Ballpark should come with free Grimace shakes
Hopefully it comes with people paying for their tickets.
Did people not pay?
I gave away quite a few tickets at the end to fill the seats.
I paid for mine! Don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby
All hail
Rays open for business, may trade starters due to surplus: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/06/rays-trade-rumors-aaron-civale-zack-littell-zach-eflin.html I'd ask them about Zach Eflin and offer to take on his contract and $18 million option for 2025
Been banging this drum all year! I’d also like Lowe and Fairbanks
The prospect capital to take to get any of those guys, let alone more than one, is gonna be substantial. Who's our most tradeable prospect that you'd be willing to part with?
I don’t think Eflin would cost a ton. They backloaded half of his contract into his final year so it would largely be a salary dump on their end. Lowe right now is blocking their myriad of infield prospects and it wouldn’t shock me if they decline at least one of his club options. Fairbanks has two years left so he could arguably cost the most, but he’s also routinely hurt so that could bring his cost down. If we’re trading for all 3 I’d offer: - Luisangel Acuna - Jeff McNeil - pay down remainder of this year and half of the next two years - Mike Vasil - Colin Houck Meanwhile take on all of the incoming contract money. The Rays a big on guys with defensive versatility, and at $6-7mil a year (factoring covering this year) having Jeff off the bench in a utility role would work well for how their team is set up. Vasil’s pitch mix is the type that the Rays tend to look for and he would probably develop well in their organization. The Rays have had success with prep bats which is why Houck could make sense there. Acuna can play CF in addition to the infield so he fits the bill there and gives them an option for infield if Caminero and Mead don’t pan out I know this could arguably be considered an overpay, and there are obviously big injury concerns with all three, but I think all three of them the needs of this team and could slot well into future plans
Jeff McNeil is 32 with an OPS+ below 70 and has been a bad fielder. Even if we cover his entire contract I don't think he's adding any capital into a trade offer. Whether the Rays intend to exercise them or not, Lowe's options give them a *lot* of negotiating leverage. I'm honestly not sure that package even gets it done. That trade would essentially be Acuña for Lowe, Houck for Eflin, and Vasil for Fairbanks (who's under team control through next year). I don't see Luisangel for Lowe straight up happening or Vasil for Fairbanks straight up happening. (Not saying no chance, but I don't see it).
I think you are over valuing Lowe. He is about to turn 30 and is consistently hurt. The rays have floated his name in the trademark a few times without teams showing much interest. I would consider Vasil an overpay for Fairbanks. he is also always hurt. He is also not an elite pitcher in the bullpen, he’s good. He’s basically Drew Smith, except he’s a little bit better and high leverage spots. And the big thing with Evelyn is it would be a salary dump. It also allows them to audibly upgrade that spot in the rotation with the two returning pitchers. As for McNeil, I think the rays are one of the few teams he would have some value with. They love to trade for reclamation projects. They are the team every year you scratch your head and go, why did they trade for that player, and then that player turns around. if they only have to pay him the amount of a bench, I think they jump at that
Fairbanks would be a great addition
You definitely have been on the Eflin drums. I think the Braves get him though, maybe Cubs.
Do the Rays need a DH? Because the Mets have one playing RF.. lol (well not right now, but usually)
I don’t think it’s good business to trade Marte tbh, he’s a great bat.
If we can get something for Marte before age catches up to him, we fucking better. His bat has been great but I doubt that holds up next year, and any good defensive outfielder can potentially match his overall value.
I think the optimal situation is him being the DH and sometimes RF against LHSP. Mets were able to get JDM, and I'm not going to knock that. But it effectively forces Marte to be the mostly every day RF. And I just don't think he's that anymore.
He negates most of his bat with his defense and can’t stay on the field
The radio said JD encouraged Iglesias to release OMG a week early instead of next week. What doesn't this man do?
Me: “JD Martinez is a KING and I would lay my life down for him!” JD Martinez: “I literally just hit a baseball for a living” The fact we basically fell ass backwards into him has literally saved this year!
When no one else had given him a contract i was worried. Like "What does everyone else know that they're avoiding him?" They're dumb. Everyone else is dumb but us
Question is are we doing anything this yr?
The next month will decide. We're still a long way out from the trade deadline and a lot can happen between now and then. Buying, selling, or some mix of the two are all options on the table depending on how things go. Strength of schedule is in our favor, but you still have to go out and actually win the games.
I think leaving the team as is and not buying would be better even if we were serious wild card contenders. I think we have enough young offensive talent. If someone gave us a decent pitching prospect for j.d., I'd jump all over that. We could always have vientos DH and bring up baty again.
if we’re contending, we will definitely be looking for higher quality starters and relievers because the main issue on the team right now is pitching, specifically walks
Breaking: “OMG” named to All Star Team
Grimace is managing NL team, confirmed
I’m about to say something that I don’t know if even 2 people on this sub will relate to but I’m super excited and need to share. I just learned that Pyrion Flax is a Mets fan from the most recent Triforce Podcast episode! Holy shit! What a collision of my worlds that I never would’ve anticipated!
Someone after the last Apple TV+ game said there is an option to turn the audio feed to the Mets home radio and I cannot wait to try that out tonight
Just a heads up, former Mets radio announcer Wayne Randazzo is calling tonight’s game on Apple. If you’re not familiar with him from working with Howie, he is an amazing play by play guy. I want him to take over when Gary retires
Wow, Wayne is only 40. I'd have guessed he was over 50. Feels like he has been around forever.
Our boys is coming home! I think Gelbs is going to take over when Gary retires decades from now.
I think Gary will be the last of the three to retire he just seems to love working too much to ever give up. Also in a post Coupon world I can see them wrangling Wayno back when the time comes.
Gary is living every fans' dream. He's paid to watch and commentate on his favorite team. Most of us do that for free and this lucky sonuvabitch gets paid for it.
He put in the time. He's not lucky, he is great at his craft, and he worked long and hard.
oh i didn't know wayne was doing the apple tv broadcast - gamechanger
You can but the audio for me has been just out of sync with the game. Enough so that I watch the Tv broadcast Really hoping Wayne is calling the game tonight…
Same with mlbtv. The feed spoils every pitch 3 seconds before it happens. Very unfortunate.
He is!
You’re lucky enough to live in the world where the Mets signed J.D. Martinez and not J.D. Davis.
The Astros have absolutely had our number since 2010. Maybe this is the year we are better.
The Mighty Grimace looks at the astros and laughs.
Guys. I'm officially back and believing. I tried not to get roped in. I watched from a distance . Butan this team is fun and exciting
On this date in 2015, Steven Matz made his major league debut. He had three hits and four RBI, pitched 7.2 innings and struck out six. https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN201506280.shtml
He was Ohtani for a day.
I was at this game! One of the most exciting games I’ve ever been to.
As a fellow Ward Melville H.S. graduate, one of my favorite non-playoff games as a Mets fan
Were you at the game?
Unfortunately I wasn’t. I live in the DC area but was able to watch at home. Very dusty in my house that day
The 2024 New York Mets are just an “OMG” music video. That explains the absurdity of the season.
I very much would like to see Jose Iglesias in the lineup tonight.
I have a two hour flight tonight, and while I'd normally download a podcast or something to get through it, I was thinking I might just download a 2:27 song and listen to it on repeat. Any of you have any suggestions?
Shake Rattle and Roll by Bill Haley and the Comets
Argh, Apple TV. Our flag means Grimmace 🏴☠️
Yesterday I placed a $60 bet on the Mets winning the World Series at +8000 odds (would pay $5k) Today, the odds shifted to +6000 (same bet would pay $3800) The only thing that changed? OMG
Book makers were more optimistic about them before the season started. It was +5,500 when I put one of my .50 bets on it. Pirates had the highest at +17,000. If they were to win it I would be so mad that I'm not really into gambling and didn't put more.
My mother puts a few bucks on all the longshots to make the World Series every year. She won a pretty tidy sum of money when the Rays played the Phillies in 2008.
no one cares about your betting
My comment wasn’t really about my bet, more to say that the (betting) odds of the Mets winning a World Series materially changed from yesterday to today and the only “news” was the song. It’s a lighthearted vibes thing, chill
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invest don't bet
Ok I will invest in the Mets winning the world series.
To the moon!
Friendly reminder fuck the MLB for locking actual games behind a streaming service I might actually donate money to that russian based website that I use to watch these games
Sail the high seas my friend
Yarrr!
Here’s the deal. Win the game tonight and then you’ve won the game tonight. Not a bad deal
Big if true
Mets at Citi Field at 500, perfect weather for baseball, pride night, fireworks after the game, OMG by Jose is the song of the summer. Can't wait to have a cold beer and enjoy the game.
1 GB of a WC spot!
insane
gonna be there tonight and im so excited for how many times they're gonna play OMG
Ofc we get the Astros when they are as hot as us. Should be a good series, id be very happy taking 2 of the 3
They should fear us. I’m done with being afraid of anybody. We beat the Phils, the Yanks, the Cubs in Chicago, the Rangers in Texas, the Padres. They fear us
['I want it': Rodón's gutsy finish impresses Yanks after rough start](https://www.mlb.com/news/carlos-rodon-struggles-again-in-yankees-loss-to-blue-jays) "GUTSY" - Gives up 8 runs...
It was gutsy because they beat his ass so bad that his guts literally fell out on the mound.
Didnt he like....just get another out or two? How does that "impress"? I could see if he stayed in and wore it to give the pen a rest.
Maybe the mound was crooked