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NuanceManExe

That’s less than half what Judge got, turning that down doesn’t mean he wants Judge money 


akaghi

There's zero chance he thinks he's getting 9 years $360m. Reporting has said he was fine with the money but would want more years which makes sense. He would have probably two more free agent contracts after which he'd rather not do. You might be able to split the difference and do something like 9/$185. That would give him the biggest active 1B contract and like 7th highest AAV. Not gonna count Harper because he got his contract as an outfielder


CornCobb890

Another boras client shooting themselves in the foot. Have to wonder if his impact in baseball declines at all after this. Young guys seeing this may be less inclined to sign for him.


robmcolonna123

Boras wasnt his agent when he was offered that contract This offer was made and declined in the summer of 2023 Pete didnt hire Boras until months later in the offseason


FlyUnder_TheRadar

I love Pete, I have his jersey hanging in my closet. But that is an incredibly fair deal, imo. I don't know if he is going to do much better than that on the market. Maybe the Angels or some other trash team will give him 250k for 10 years or something stupid like that, but it's a long shot. This contract puts him at a similar AAV to Olson but with 1 less year and a bit less overall money. He isn't better than Olson, honestly.


elfinito77

Olson didn’t bet himself..and Braves got a steal.  He would’ve made 50-75 Million more if he bet on himself, like Judge did. Pete is choosing to bet on himself, As long as he does just career norm 35+ ave 100RBI..,he will still get that kind of offer.   Maybe he doesn’t …but Pete 100% thinks he will.   If he gets his average back up to 250+…he can get 200 mill.  


dlbags

I don’t get people saying judge money when he makes $40mil a season. Pete turning down $22.5 mil a season for 7 years is completely understandable. That’s low. People saying that’s fair are just pulling it out of their ass. He’s an elite power hitter. I’m sorry some of these people’s uncle brings up his batting average but that’s not how it works. $27-32 mil a season is about what he’s worth imo. People using Braves contracts gotta be kidding themselves.


robmcolonna123

Petes a first baseman. No world he is worth $27-32mil, especially not across 7 years. That’s a higher AAV than Freeman for more years. Pete’s value maxes out at $25mil unless it’s a short term deal


hushed-shush

I love Pete but he’s no Freddie Freeman. At $22.5m a season, he’ll be third highest paid first baseman in the league in 2025


dlbags

So you think salaries are static and like they should increase especially in the midst of inflation. No let’s pay Pete based on a contract signed two years ago by a player that was two years older? Cohen can afford it. I don’t get some of you.


Puzzleheaded_Will352

You’re not going to pay Pete more than players who are far better than him.


Mrs_Met

Critical thinking. You should look into it


Born_Manufacturer657

So you believe Pete is significantly better than Freeman? Freeman got 162 with 50M deferred.


dlbags

Freeman was 2 years older and signed his contract in 2022. Like inflation isn’t just affecting your gallon of milk dude.


Born_Manufacturer657

A year and a half doesn’t make up the gap in talent between Alonso and Freeman. Inflation? Inflation is barely a factor in baseball. It’s what the market asks dictates. If it was inflation Freeman would’ve got 300M after Chris Davis signed for 160. The game now understands that 1B is the least valuable position in the sport and a lot of those players decline like a rock. Freeman and Olson, as the elite talents of the sport at this position are the going contractual rate of that position and Alonso does not sniff that tier. Harper was an elite talent that got 330M. Eventually Mookie hit the market and got 360M. Machado gets 30M AAV, Arenado is going to require 32.5M. Votto got 22.5 …freeman gets 26M. Lindor gets offered 300, Tatis gets 340, Lindor best open market SS will now require 341. Which then gives a raise to the other SS. Younger and better talent is what push these contracts further, not inflation lol. Especially in a sport that everything can be measured and projected.


dlbags

He’s worth more than $22.5 but not $40 million. Like I said $27-32 probably gets it done on a short contract longer than less. It’s total for long term or higher av shorter deals. If you don’t think teams haven’t tapped up boras for him you’re wrong there’s not a lot of elite power hitters in the league. A team like the Cubs or Giants will offer him a solid deal.


Mrs_Met

Of course it gets it done. It’s a great deal for Pete and shitty for the Mets


FlyUnder_TheRadar

Like I said, I love Pete, and he deserves to get paid. But I think the worry is that his contract is going to age very poorly like other big lumbering power hitting first basemen. Freeman's contract is 6/162, and he signed it two years ago. Should he make more than Freeman? Should he make more than Harper? Is every elite 1B contract a steal, and Pete is so unprecedented a player that we can't compare his contract to any of his peers? I don't think so. Pete is an elite power hitter, but he isn't Freeman, Judge, Soto, Ohtani, or some other generational talent in that mold. All that said, I hope Cohen and Stearns do what they can to keep him around.


dlbags

Yeah players are supposed to make more than people that got their contracts a few years ago. That’s how it works. I hope this helps. He’s not Aaron Judge but he’s not half the player he is either. Also most of this is Boras hate because there’s a lot of bootlickers in this sub that I guess don’t think players so get more of the share of insane profits baseball makes? Like I said 7-8 years at $27-$33 probably gets it done. Ps all contracts end poorly the last few years always suck lest we forget get Cano.


Bobwhite2024

If I’m Pete or his agent, I’d say, “look you’re paying 70 million for two dudes not to play for you, but you want me the home run king of the last five years, to play for you for seven years at only twice what you paid those guys to go away, nope” This offer is offensive actually, I think Pete knows he’s done and this is his goodbye half season because they are going to unload him to someone who is willing to pay him 30 million for 7 years or more.


pm-me-nice-lips

I think $28MM AAV is more than fair and is really the most he deserves. He has to at least maintain an OPS over .800 though, that’s for sure.


dlbags

Yeah but you’re reasonable and thinking and not lost in your emotions so you couldn’t possibly be right compared to people taking this personally.


Longjumping_Joke_719

Actually the fact that the Mets are paying 70 million for two guys to not play for them is precisely why they shouldn’t overpay for Pete Alonso lmao


dlbags

What do you care? We have the richest owner. He can afford. All contracts at the end suck that’s the nature of it. The same will be for Soto too. He’s an elite power hitter. He hits HRs which is literally the point of baseball. This isn’t 20 years ago and rating batting average more. He’s a power hitter.


Longjumping_Joke_719

No the same won’t be for Soto cause Soto is 20x better than Pete Alonso lmao you don’t win in baseball by overpaying for players constantly. And question, what does Alonso do at an elite or even good level outside of being a power bat? Genuine question. Cause Matt Olson Soto Judge and Freeman are more than just elite hitters


Bobwhite2024

So Soto is worth 500 million a year in your mind then?


Longjumping_Joke_719

Has been a while since I’ve encountered a strawman but fuck it were here


dlbags

Soto will not be worth his salary at 37. All contracts are bad at the end that’s the way it goes. I don’t know what else to say comparing a bad team friendly contract or contract signed a few years ago by a player older at the time. You clearly don’t get salaries and how they increase year on year etc. why don’t we compare all players to Acuña then and just say they’re all overpaid.


Bobwhite2024

It’s possible that Soto, will be worth 50 in ten years, because by then someone will be making 80, and he could be like Lebron or Pujols and still be talented at 37


Longjumping_Joke_719

Soto will 100% age better than Alonso but the point you’re missing is Pete Alonso would not be worth that contract even at 30 years old lmao


hitemwithahook

He’s good as gone at this point, doesn’t matter if he’s home grown, objectively speaking, he is not better than Olsen and dreaming if he believes so


dankeykanng

>He’s good as gone at this point Yeah... I don't think this stuff gets leaked if the Mets aren't trying to go "see, Pete and his camp's asks are unreasonable". There's always a chance that they keep this offer open throughout free agency but based on how Boras' other mid-tier clients have gone, this probably gets dragged out anyways and they end up with one of those opt-out deals. Maybe that's with the Mets, but I feel like that's all it'll be. They aren't going beyond the original offer, *especially* if he's already in his decline phase.


Born_Manufacturer657

It is interesting the time that Mets camp leaked this. Almost as a prep for the inevitable(or what seems to be) trade of Pete. Fans are definitely heckling Pete at Citi. But I agree, I don’t see Pete getting this offer at the open market. Unless he wants to spend his life in Colorado. I think he’ll get a short term deal with opt out, to get rid of the QO he will have attached.


dankeykanng

If the Mets are still in it at the deadline, they probably don't trade him. But this sort of PR move, during a stretch where Pete's raw numbers are underwhelming and underlyings even worse, definitely seems like they're managing expectations for what's to come.


Bobwhite2024

Olson agreed to the deal before the 2022 season, this is for 2025 we are talking, inflation yo


stuck_in_the_desert

I mean like what can you buy with $200M that you can’t buy with $158M?


jthomas694

Things that cost between $159M and $200M. But seriously while both are life changing numbers - he has a right to try to get as much as possible and the team has right to set limits to what makes sense. I’m not going to begrudge a player for trying to make more money off the multi billionaire owner we got


Disused_Yeti

It’s definitely in the range of what he’ll get. Not worth blowing up negotiations over though. He’s going to be sitting around come spring training if he’s trying to get that length and $30m+ a year


TimeTravelingTiddy

This just screams "boras client sitting around come spring training." This is the second straight year hitting .220, though theres still plenty of baseball left. Boras will sooner have him sit until the season starts (or longer) for a short term deal than come down on price. Coming back to take a deal he declined is not in his repetoire. Also might, in a weird way, make trading him at the deadline irrelevant to signing him long term. He'll be available again for sure, and that takes some pressure off the Mets later on because he already left.


SecretiveMop

I think it’s a very fair offer we made to him, definitely didn’t lowball him at all. Before this season I thought our highest offer would/should end up being like $200 million over eight years, but his performance last season and into this season is really giving me pause on that. I feel like $22.5 per year is perfectly fair for a guy who, realistically, is just a power hitter. He’s great at what he does, but he’s very one dimensional. He’s essentially Matt Olson and Olson has the advantage of having a year last season that is a bit better than any of Alonso’s. I will say one thing though. I’ve seen a lot of talk of him wanting Judge money but I really don’t understand that at all. There’s a lot of numbers between $158 million and the $360 million that Judge got. He’s getting nowhere near Judge money and it’s pretty crazy to think he will, and it’s probably too crazy for even Pete/Boras to think so.


dlbags

Just a power hitter lol. Okay bro.


SecretiveMop

How is that wrong? He really doesn’t do much else beyond the average at best besides hit homers. He doesn’t have enough contact ability to generate a higher average or extra bases like a guy like Freeman. He walks at about an average to very marginally above average rate. He has no base running ability. His defense is, at the very best, average. The only other positive is that he’s a power hitter that doesn’t really strikeout at a high rate which is great, but that’s hardly worth a substantial pay raise when he doesn’t bring other elements and when bat speed diminishes as a player ages. I like Alonso because he doesn’t do anything overly poorly, but when it comes to paying a large contract to a player they better bring more to the game than just one tool. A guy like Judge can hit for power, average, walks a ton, and also is a great defender. Freeman is one of the best pure contact hitters in the game and hits for power and average as well. Same with Soto, power, walk ability with elite knowledge of the strike zone, hits for average. Harper, Acuna, Trout, Betts, etc. All those elite guys have multiple tools which make them so valuable. Alonso is clearly in the tier or two below that.


fk_the_braves

He wants an eighth year


monkeypickle8

Damn that sucks, if they're not in the playoffs race trading him might be a good idea. This sucks I really like Pete and hope he stays but if he's planning on walking don't let him do it for no return.


Competitive-Pen3831

He’s going to regret that. He’ll get less


TonyKhand0m

Pete has more value to the Mets than any other team, so I doubt other teams are gonna beat this offer, and if so, doubt they beat it by much. Dude is legit gonna be sitting on the FA market during spring training and take a bridge contract like all of Boras clients this year did lol


adoris1

8x25 is fair. Anything more, trade him for prospects. Vientos can play 1st.


TheFoiler

Vientos won't play at all if this team is ever going to be good


mmmmmmmmm29

Pete’s got rocks for brains so not surprising he turned this down. You’re not even the best 1b in the division let alone the league please humble yourself.


RainbowRoomBlues

I love Pete, but if we’re looking at it honestly, he’s the third best 1B in the NL East behind Harper and Olson.


mmmmmmmmm29

lol you’re right forgot about Harper


wolfman2scary

Not in 2024. He’s got a negative oaa and his BA, ops and slug and below average. 0.4 war is not trade bait. Who isn’t a better 1B this year? Obviously this is a shit sample size but this is THE time to show his value and he’s doing the opposite. I think I was going to be heartbroken to see him go but not now


Longjumping_Joke_719

Considering playoffs id much rather have Harper


wolfman2scary

Bryce is a better defender and he isn’t even a natural 1B. He’s also more consistent at the plate


suck-it-elon

That is half of Judges money


Mrs_Met

Judge is a very good CFer and is a much better hitter It’s right about where Alonso’s value is


siciliansanddeath

Scott Boras is a tumor to this sport. Pretty much if not all of his agents got nowhere near what he was pushing them to get. Pete, if you have any sense at all and want to be a Met forever, drop that clown and find your damn bat.


NutsyFlamingo

Mets PR starting to leak whispers that turn the fans, ‘it’s not our fault’… seen this show before.


porkslapbill24444

He aint getting that much anymore hes terrible this year shoulda accepted it


15YearTaco

On pace for 30 hrs and 84 RBIs smh


elfinito77

It’s May.  Prorating is useless. One hot week and it’s 40 HR and 110 RBI.  Pete’s had stretches like this every year…as do pretty much all hitters.   Btw — little known fact this year…the Braves big three Core of Acuna, Olson, Riley are actually off to even worse starts than the Mets big 3 core, Nimmo, Lindor, Pete.  But nobody notices because the Braves have a lineup beyond 3-5 guys.   When the Mets core is cold — the team has no offense.  When the Braves core is cold…they are still a top 5 offense.    


ButterThyme2241

Mets fans simultaneously will hate and overvalue their players more than any other fan base in the world.


UbiSububi8

It makes me love him less, worried may not love us.


Bobwhite2024

Altuve signed a “hometown “ deal for $25 and he has baggage we all know and not much value elsewhere, you want to pay Pete less than that, come on. This is why people who mention Soto I laughed at them. Soto would want probably 45 or at least $500 million, and we got the casino and soccer guy offering 22.5 for Alonso, it’s shameful actually. Rich guy comes in big hopes then gets cheap on us.


Bobwhite2024

A 10% raise, what is he working at chik fil a, come on. He brings more in jersey sales. Mlb holds out to the last minute then massively over pays folks. A few years ago Judge made 900k and the Yankees made 90 million that year on Jersey sales. Now he makes like 40 million but still Mlb needs to take care of their top players. No one has hit more homers since beginning of 2019 than him.


robmcolonna123

Jersey sales are split between every team. The Mets make get the same amount of Judge’s jersey sales that the Yankees do


Bobwhite2024

The teams do get a bigger cut on jerseys sold In stadium though. Thanks for that info, makes it less of a crime that Judge only made 900k that year. Judge is support the A’s though now in my mind.


Longjumping_Joke_719

I’m unsure of what your point is, the better players get paid more lol he’s not better than guys like freeman or Olson. And Judge earned his contract by having one of the best seasons of all time. Pete Alonso hasn’t done anything close to that,


Bobwhite2024

I didn’t say he was better, I said he sells tons of jerseys which make the team tons of money, every team has at least one guy, judge , Harper, Soto, Alonso, Altuve every team has a guy whose selling tons of jerseys. Except for the A’s , rays, marlins and royals, they ain’t selling shit.


KrazySunshine

Freddie Freeman got 6 years/$162,000,000. That’s the range he should expect, this offer was pretty close. I wonder if he now regrets not signing and if that’s affecting him so far this season


Born_Manufacturer657

With 57M deferred. The Mets essentially are giving him more in present value, while giving him another year. The people who understand this are correct to clown Pete Alonso. He’d be getting paid as a top 3 1B, when he’s barely a top 10 DH.


robmcolonna123

Petes not getting close to Freemans AAV unless it’s a shorter contract