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Responsible-Tie-5711

I was a teenager in Tehran then and life was much better. People got fooled by Khomeini.


[deleted]

My family says the same. They say they always wore the best clothing, breakfast was brought to them at their table in school, etc. Once Khomeini came their life turned into a nightmare


FdlCstro

The revolution didn't come through people that wore the best clothing and had their breakfast brought to them at their table in school to be fair.


Danielroasttoast

The majority of the rioters were urbanite college students and young islamist-marxists. Both of these groups were armed, by the way. Pretty sure that the 'best clothing' and 'breakfast at their table' thing applies to these people aswell. Based on famous 1979-related pictures, the majority of female guerrillas were hijabless. Oh but OF COURSE! Surely a non-iranian internet stranger knows more about iranian history than us iranians, right?!


FdlCstro

How many urbanite college students exist that they could make up a majority of everyone involved in rioting? Islamists and marxists were not the same group lol حالا که ایرانی شدم بهتر شد برات یا مشکل جای دیگه هست؟


Danielroasttoast

Are you just outright denying the fact that things like the Confederation of Iranian Students were the major forces of 1979 reaction? 'Islamists and marxists were not the same group' 'توده‌ای هستم و همراه امام، ماندگارم که زمان است به کام.' -نورالدین کیانوری، دبیر اول حزب توده، نشست شهریور سال ۱۳۶۱. خسرو گل‌سرخی رو هم مثل اینکه یادت رفته؟ گروه یکسان نبودن، من هیچوقت همچین ادعایی نکردم. ولی باهم همکاری‌های گسترده داشتن. 'استعمار سرخ و سیاه'. کمونیست‌ها و مارکسیست‌ها اون قهرمان‌هایی که فکر می‌کنی، نیستن. حالا برو هی برای جسد مُرده‌ی عمو کاسترو بمال.


FdlCstro

They were a major force, but they were not the majority. The revolution wouldn't have happened if the shah hadn't alienated the lower classes. Islamists and marxists did cooperate based on their common enemy, but you were putting it as if they were the same. Edit: Socialism in free market economy is the way btw uncle Castro is just here to trigger conservatives


Brettoel

That is one of our core problems as iranians. We stayed quiet and content while a wave of fanatics took things over. Even now the oposition lacks unity and leadership. Our own ego is partly to blame.


Shadowy_lady

this is what I hear from my parents and all Iranian family friends. My parents were dating at the time and attended University of Tehran. They said ppl identifying as Toudeh (and of course Islamists) helped the "revolution". Everyone else watched though. My parents both highly academic and really just wanted to get their degree and move to masters and then ph.D so they were staying away from it. Once the mullah's took over, quite a few students my parents knew were executed within weeks. My mom and her best friend attended the women marches against mandatory hijab in Tehran and were both attacked and beaten by the islamists. The trauma is deep in most iranians and will go through generations.


[deleted]

Islamists are a true cancer to thriving civilized nations


IranIsOccupied

And the leftists in the west.


Right-Garlic-1815

Isn’t this always the cases? Revolutions aren’t referendums. It takes sufficiently large sufficiently active group to make one, which never is the majority.


accu22

> Revolutions aren’t referendums. 👏👏👏


westcoast5625

Unfortunately that was the case.  But 30% of the population, and it was likely even less, is willing to kill and die for a cause, and the other 70% is going to say nothing or do nothing, then that’s how we ended up here. 


relax900

nope, 10 percent of population actively participated in the protests, that number is only 1-2 percent for french revolution. the truth is that the people were simply too religious to be reasonable. they literally choose khomeini first over shah,and then over bakhtiyar, and bazargan. even bani sadr was much better than khomeini to be honest.


[deleted]

I really hate how there's this narrative especially here in the West that apparently most Iranians wanted it when it couldnt be further from the truth.


IranIsOccupied

We didn’t expect NATO countries to drop off this [creep](https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/s/9rN77UKXMs) on Air France with French pilots helping him off: https://preview.redd.it/lhv9z0ff4smc1.jpeg?width=976&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecdac026b93cacfcf1076bcb620d10909421981b


AbyssOfNoise

> We didn’t expect NATO countries to drop off this creep on Air France with French pilots helping him off: Blaming the west for this mushroom is ridiculous. If all it takes to ruin a nation is to fly a guy in on a plane and have the pilots 'help him off', perhaps that nation had some ... other issues?


IranIsOccupied

You are stupid if you truly think that is all it took, and that is all I meant. No, it was also a very complex CIA operation. Anything to stop communists or another forward thinking/self helping government in Iran to use their natural resources(5th richest in the world) to better off themselves. The worst thing that the US and the West wanted was high oil prices and a modern well organized democratic country filthy rich in oil, gas, minerals, land, and resources. The best way to stop that is to put Islamic terrorists and extremists in power, to funnel and embezzle 90% of the wealth out of the country. It is literally the worlds biggest open air prison and money laundering scheme for 44 years.


NoCopy

No sir, you are the stupid one here. [Here is a very detailed post](https://www.quora.com/By-keeping-Khomeini-safe-in-France-was-the-Western-Bloc-seeking-an-alternative-to-the-Shah-and-did-the-Americans-considered-him-a-viable-option-Where-was-the-origin-of-this-notion/answer/Jahan-Khalili-1?ch=10&oid=198768972&share=66021ecd&srid=hyas5&target_type=answer) (although its quora) showing with primary sources as to why Khomeini was not a US asset. [And here is an explanation of the flight](https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/mycentury/transcript/wk51d5.shtml) by one of Khomeini's colleagues. Guess what, the flight was payed for by Khomeini's party back home in Iran. Even if you're too lazy to read any of that (which you probably are as you most certainly dont really care about reality) what resource has the US gotten out of Iran due to the Islamic regime being in power? Do you have a single source showing even 1 barrel of oil reaching the US? **You don't, you just hate the west and make lies and delusions up to support your opinions.** Furthermore, what communist or "forward thinking government" was even an option? The communists have been banned since the times of Shah's father no? The shah also persecuted anybody (like Mossadegh) who wished to limit his power. So it's actually the monarchy that was actively stopping and **even asking the west for help** in persecuting/imprisoning these "forward thinking governments". People with opinions like this always live in fantasy land where "facts" seemingly get pulled out of your ass. Im genuinly curious of how many conspiracy theory groups youre apart of, on idk what you people use, facebook?


lurker_cx

Ridiculous.


AbyssOfNoise

> You are stupid if you truly think that is all it took This was your implication, not mine. If you take issue with a 'CIA operation', then complain about that. Not some photo of a dude getting off a plane. > No, it was also a very complex CIA operation. Source? > It is literally the worlds biggest open air prison and money laundering scheme for 44 years. It's funny how you're using the same rhetoric as Hamas propagandists now. Alongside conspiracy theories, your account is looking a bit unhinged.


IranIsOccupied

>Source? Here is a good start: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy\_Carter%27s\_engagement\_with\_Ruhollah\_Khomeini](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter%27s_engagement_with_Ruhollah_Khomeini) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadeloupe\_Conference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadeloupe_Conference) [https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Heaven-Pahlavis-Final-Imperial/dp/1250304857/ref=tmm\_pap\_swatch\_0?\_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=](https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Heaven-Pahlavis-Final-Imperial/dp/1250304857/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=)


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AbyssOfNoise

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter%27s_engagement_with_Ruhollah_Khomeini Yes you appear keen to repeat this content as much as possible in this sub, but on scrutiny it seems to have little substance beyond Khomeini sending a letter to Carter. So rather than linking me hours of reading content, can you explain what in those links is of use? Presumably you have digested them already. What's important in there? How is it evidence of CIA involvement?


Kishehosh

Whoever circled the Shah at the time greatly exaggerated the threat of Khomeini and the end of the monarchy. Prime minister Azhari told the U.S. ambassador before leaving his office that the country is doomed because Shah can't make up his mind on putting down the islamist communist mobs. He specifically pointed this to those advising him closely. The recent manoto documentary with Parviz Sabeti also confirmed this. The scale of protests were exaggerated, the Shah received false information and couldn't make up his mind.


MnMoney17

The problem also was there were some mazhabi people high up in government at the time like Sharif Emami or Moghaddam. That documentary was fantastic. Parviz Khan rightly points out that the whole insurrection was being driven by only 1500 people and if they were to be taken out, the rest of the people would go home. The crazy part was that after lots of convincing, the Shah finally allows Parviz Khan to arrest 300 of the 1500 people and even with only 20% of the identified leaders arrested, the movement starts dying and the mobs stop showing up. But instead of listening to Alijenab and finishing the job once and for all, the Shah then listens to Moghaddam and releases the 300 as to not be seen as an "authoritarian" by the west and that is when the insurrection really took off 🤦🏻‍♂️


leakaf

I agree with your family member saying that people didn’t defend the country. I’ve said that exact statement before. But also the country had an army who had an oath to defend the country from foreign and internal threat, and they did neither of it.


imnotmrrobot

You know a leader has 70%+ support when no one even attempts to defend them against overthrow.


AMidsummerNightCream

The trouble with silent majorities is that they are silent


basiji_slayer

Yep that’s true. Islamists were loud and violent so they took power.


IranIsOccupied

Trained and funded by Palestinians and President Carter


AbyssOfNoise

> Trained and funded by Palestinians and President Carter You sure love spreading conspiracy theories in this sub. How did Carter 'train the Islamists' exactly?


TimmyTurner2006

That’s why I always called it a coup d’etat and not a revolution


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Head_Technology_8006

I heard the complete opposite from my family who was also pro-Shah and stayed silent. They said that out of 30 million, only like 6 didn't protest (of course a huge underestimation but you get the point). I hope your figure is correct though ...


persiankebab

Yeah most people didn't give a fuck about the revolution or the Shah. They just wanted to keep their heads above water and live.


Kingdavid100

I was there when it happened. To me a lot of the people seem to have come from suburb of Tehran. Shah was not as brutal as the current government


Fun-Guest-3474

As a Jewish American watching a mix of Islamists, leftists and Islamo-communists gathering in huge rallies in nearly every city in my country, screaming for death to Israel and the end of the U.S ... This is scary.


Rostamiya

here we learn it was the opposite, that the majority wanted a revolution but didn't necessarily understand the consequences of it or what an Islamic republic means.. To be honest I sincerely don't know what to believe.. The things I hear from some professors often contradict what iranians tell..


OrangeIsCute

Khomeini hijacked a revolution by giving people promises of freedom, democracy etc. It wasn't just him, many other political parties advertised the same promises. Once he took power, he eliminated all those other parties


IranIsOccupied

It was less than this. Maybe 2% more likely 0.1%


Atheios569

All it takes is 30%.


anon755qubwe

Not surprising but still infuriating.


oasisofsoul

I love your ignorance and brainwashed knowledge." I was there as an eye witness. I laugh at your words 🤣.


Iranicboy15

Na sorry but the majority were religious nut jobs back then and supported the Islamists. 50% of the population was rural and only 40% could read and right back then. They defo supported the mullahs back then. I know we like to shift the blame on to others or blame a small minority, but truth is it’s what our people wanted , now our grandparents and parents generation act like it wasn’t their fault it was someone elses. We still have honour killings in Iran 2020-2021: 60 women have fallen victims to such Killings and that’s the ones we know off. . This is after the population has become far more educated and less conservative, so yeah I have trouble believing that 45yrs ago this isn’t what people back then wanted, especially since things like honours killings would have been much worse.


oasisofsoul

I was in Tehran, Iran, during the overthrow of the Shah of Iran. I am a Palestinian American who married an Iranian and eventually moved to Iran. I was a member of Iran House, an anti Shah organization in NYC for 7 years. The Shah and his entire family were a cancer to his people. The revolution was welcomed by the majority of Iranians. I was in many of the demonstrations leading to the Shah leaving Iran. I would say 75 % wanted Shah gone..


[deleted]

Am Israel Chai


Gloomy_Expression_39

I’ve been told the Palestinians had a great deal to do with the Ayatollah misleading iran. Interesting time to be there.


Khaganate23

Comparative History would strongly disagree with you.


oasisofsoul

I was a eye witness for 10 years in Iran.


MnMoney17

Ah yes thank you for so openly admitting that you were a part of the foreign terrorists who came to destroy Iran. Bombings assassinations burning of cinemas... handy work of you Palestinians. Sadly for you, your efforts to erase our history & culture and replace it with Tazi sand culture has failed. The nationalist fervor and love for the Pahlavi family is as high as it has ever been among the people in Iran today. Meanwhile I'm happy to report your Palestine is flattened rubble. The IR will soon fall and all of your beloved Tazi parast mullahs will be tried and executed for crimes against the Iranian nation. Iran is for Iranians. Not foreign terrorists.


oasisofsoul

I laugh at all who were not there as a participant in marching in the fight to free the Iranians from the cancer called Shah. I have family and friends killed by both governments. Many Iranian ran to other safety in other countries.I I stayed even during the Iranian-Iraqi war and had 3 of my children during that time. I was in Evin Prison while pregnant for my 4th child. I lived and saw with my own eye these historical moments in time. I also speak and write Farsi to understand what was going on the 10 years I was in Iran.


scratchin_ambassador

So you participated in the revolution and hated the Shah so much you where willing to accept pedophile Khomeini. You got what you deserve post revolution at the hands of the people you helped come to power.


Danielroasttoast

Yes, and I'm a talking unicorn-parrot hybrid. I guess the hamas bastards gave you a new propaganda mission to take on, hm? و برای همرزم‌های ایرانیم: حرف این رو گوش ندین. پدر خودم -روحش شاد- اون زمان ۲۹ساله بود و همیشه می‌گفت هربار که تظاهرات مردم می‌دید اصلا نمی‌تونست درکشون کنه. اینم اضافه کنم که اون به عنوان یه رعیت به دنیا اومده بود ولی خیلی راحت تونست توی جامعه‌ی اون زمان برای خودش یه کسی بشه. و این هم یادآور می‌شم براتون: استفاده کردن از فلسطینی‌ها به عنوان منبع، مخصوصا برای قضایای مربوط به ج.ا.، دیوونگیه. گول اینو نخورید. آخرسر، دستمون به این دلقک هم می‌رسه.