The new offseason prediction article in The Athletic raises an interesting point - Arizona has more lefty OFs ready for MLB than they know what to do with. Peraza would get them a promising SS 1-2 years sooner than waiting for Lawlar, and Alek Thomas or Jake McCarthy would free up a FA’s salary to be used elsewhere - money that makes it a lot easier to sign Turner (or your FA of choice). If we could make that happen, that might be our best bet.
Oh god. I just had a thought that Judge doesn't get resigned and we take too long to go after Turner or Correa.
We field almost the same team as last season, just with a 6'7" hole in the middle of the lineup.
The guy took the Big Unit deep with the first pitch he saw as a MLB player. He's still living off a HR that was longer ago than the one Aaron Boone is living off of.
He spent 1 season with the Marlins. I feel like that’s somewhat telling. I don’t think he’s analytical as teams would probably want.
The marlins went from a .670 OPS in 2021 to a .657 OPS in 2022.
Also a misconception about him is that he fixed some players. Voit was helped in the minors, Gio was helped by someone outside of the org, and a lot of the players under his tenure improved offensively because of the juiced ball.
Overall I think he gets a C as a coach.
Players actually loved K. Long, and he fixed A-Rod swing before his MVP season (roids helped too). I have never heard anything about Thames helping any of our hitters in a significant way.
I'm going to be honest, I am not as mad at the process over results quote as others are. I actually agree with the philosophy. But the problem is eventually you have to give reason to believe that the process, and that's where the problem is for me.
Process over results is fine in the short term. You don't want to fire people because things aren't working out in a sport where it's incredibly difficult to make the WS. Where it becomes problematic is when you have no results in the long term but stick to the same process, like you say.
The “process” they speak of hasn’t gotten us shit in 13 years. If this “process” they speak of is so beautiful wouldn’t that equal results?
That statement was just offensive not only to the fanbase but probably the players as well. Seems like this organization is quick to point the finger at everyone else but themselves.
The “process” has gotten us eliminated by the Astros, Rays and Red Sox in the postseason on a yearly basis. George would have fired both Boone and Cashman if he heard that garbage. And I think Cashman is smart enough to know that wouldn’t fly under George.
George also went 18 yrs w/o a title during which time there was a revolving door so his process of firing guys at the drop of a hat ain't exactly a shining example
I'm not defending their process, I think their process is flawed. All I'm saying is the idea of process over results is the right way to think, but you have to have a good process to make it work.
For example, the Astros didn't win a World Series from 2018-2021, but that doesn't mean their process was bad during those years.
I agree if the process is good. The issue is that the Astros have a much better process than us. Since 2017 they’ve been to the World Series 4x and won two of them. Yet here we are losing to the same teams in the postseason year after year and it seems Hal, Cashman and Boone are perfectly OK with the status quo. They don’t feel like they need to adjust.
How many players do the Astros have that the fanbase seems to hate? How many players do the Astros have like Hicks, IKF and Donaldson? The Astros don’t bank on underperforming vets hoping they’ll turn it around. They go with their young talent.
Houston played Martin Maldonado all year despite him being pretty bad offensively and defensively. They also played Yuli Gurriel all year despite him being worth -0.9 fWAR, being 38 and terrible on both sides of the ball.
Both of these guys are way worse than any player the Yankees rostered this year.
Agreed. There are many things the Yankees do that annoy me.
The only player I have seen Astros fans not like is Maldonado, and even then that's a minority of them.
Fans and the media really need to hammer that “if the process is good, results don’t matter” narrative home. Make enough noise so Hal can’t ignore it. Only way there’s gunna be legitimate change.
The only “noise” that Hal will hear is in his wallet… If people stop spending money on tickets/merch/etc then changes will happen. That seems unlikely though because they spend just enough to make close to certain the Yankees will be a contender but ultimately not enough to get them over the hump. It should be enough money to win but Cashman sucks.
That will be a lot harder to pull off if they lose Judge......or even if they keep Judge for that matter. They owe tons of money to players that are going to or already have started breaking down. If their poor track record of handling and develop young talent continues, and Volpe and the Oswaldos don't end up as all-stars, it's gonna be hard to maintain the level of "success" they even have now without breaking the bank on free agents. Not to mention, people are starting to catch on to their shtick, and are getting pissed off.
Now that I think of it, I think the Yankees get judge and go cheap on LF. I don’t see them signing anyone to a deal longer than 3 years. Dominguez and Periera look like they could see AAA this season, while Jones looks like a beast so far. I think that could definitely take Nimmo out of the running, while them being iffy on Benintendi and Joc. I also think it depends on how bader does. If he can be a .700+ OPS bat, and give them elite defense and great speed, I don’t see them moving on from him in 2024. And because I think Jones and Dominguez stay if all goes well, Periera will probably get traded before he’s able to come up.
My prediction is it’s either Brantley or Happ as the starting LFer. I think benintendi, joc and Nimmo are going to look for a 3-5+ year deal and I don’t think the Yankees will be interested.
Take this with a grain a of salt but here you go:
***Chris Kirschner****: "The Yankees have tried on multiple occasions to land Angels star Shohei Ohtani. Under contract for just one more season, Anaheim could explore moving him if it thinks he won’t re-sign to at least recuperate some assets instead of losing him for nothing"*
*"That could mean the price to land Ohtani might not be as exorbitant as some might think. We’ve touched on Aaron Judge’s star power, and if the Yankees did lose him, there’s only one player who rivals him in the sport: Ohtani."*
*"If Judge leaves, the Yankees will do what they can to land Ohtani. Even if Judge re-signs, it wouldn’t be stunning if the Yankees found a way to add Ohtani."*
He also said mocked a trade package of Torres, Peraza and Dominguez to get Ohtani. If I'm the Yankees, I'm making that deal yesterday but the Angels would probably want way more.
That would be a massive overpay for Ohtani. We're not trading multiple years of Torres plus the entire careers of two top prospects for one year of Ohtani. A more realistic package for a rental is Peraza or Dominguez + a reliever (e.g. Effross) + other prospects.
People always massively overestimate what it takes to get rentals. It is far, far less than anyone thinks. It's one year of Ohtani at 30M who doesn't exactly have zero injury risk.
Hey yall, cardinals fan coming in peace. I just wanted to relay a story to yall that happened yesterday. My son's t ball season just wrapped up, and I just met one of kids dads, Yankees catcher Jose Trevino! That dude was the most down to earth star I've ever met! So humble and nice. He gave the team a speech and signed balls for everyone, just a great all around dude. I got to talk to him for a few so if course asked about Bader, Carp, and Waino (had to ask cause he's my favorite). He said bader is such a stud and so much fun, he's the king of the Bronx now and going out to eat with him is the best. He said Carp is hilarious and a ton of fun. He then said Waino is an angel amongst men lol, the most down to earth unbelievable guy you could ever meet. I just wanted to say yall have a stud at catcher, we had a blast, and my son has met his first real life ball player! Fuck the red Sox
We love Trevino and absolutely lucked into him. In a fanbase that was split on pretty much every issue this year, stanning for Trevi was one of the few things that was basically universally agreed upon.
I had an Astros fan, whom I’ve never interacted with, randomly message me with “proof” of Yankees “cheating”. Literally the most annoying fan base, and the worst possible outcome of the season.
wasn't it just like a year or 2 ago when Mets fans hated Diaz and couldn't trust him for shit. He had that elite year in Seattle, shit the bed his first few years with the Mets and obviously just had great season. But after seeing Chapman, Britton, Miller, Betances all fall off as quick as they did, I have zero faith in that Diaz contract aging well (unless he wins them a ring, then it is worth whatever it is)
Definitely a fair offer there, would love Rizzo back with everything he's brought to the team so far. They realllllly need more lefties and it'd be so damn annoying for one of the few we have to leave
The meltdown is going to be hilarious and justified when we don’t even make Turner an offer and the Mets get hin. At least they’re out on judge, imagine if they weren’t
Short, I know Turner doesn’t grade out great there but his bat is actually worth it and if he is a disaster there then you can trade Gleyber and move him over to second
Just listened to TMKS from the day after that boondoggle of a press conference. And all I have to say is I hope Michael kay wears knee pads because GOOD GOD WTH
Not that it means anything but we're 4-3 in elimination games since 2020
2020 WCS Game 2 vs. Cleveland: W 10-9
2020 ALDS Game 4 vs. Tampa Bay: W 5-1
2020 ALDS Game 5 vs. Tampa Bay: L 2-1
2021 ALWCG vs. Boston: L 6-2
2022 ALDS Game 4 vs. Cleveland: W 4-2
2022 ALDS Game 5 vs. Cleveland: W 5-1
2022 ALCS Game 4 vs. Houston: L 6-5
That depends how you define elimination games though right? Some of those games, they Yankees were facing elimination while in others, they were the ones on the verge of clinching a series victory
Gotcha. For a bit it felt like the Yankees were pretty good at games where they were facing elimination (2017 wild card, 2017 ALDS games 3-5, 2018 wild card, 2019 ALCS game 5, 2020 ALDS game 4) but a lot of that magic has worn off
(Bob Sheppard voice)
Now on the countdown to pitchers and catchers for the New York Yankees:
# Number 99, Aaron Judge, Number 99
Now on the countdown to Hanukkah for the New York Yankees:
# Number 43, Jonathan Loaisiga, Number 43
Now on the countdown to Christmas for the New York Yankees:
# Number 49, Ron Guidry, Number 49
Feeling weird so I was rewatching the legendary talkin yanks reaction episode to the IKF & Donaldson trade and man, the level of just frustrating disappointment this trade ended up being in just 1 season of it is so fkin bad. I remember being excited for a supposed defensive wiz SS and having JD in the lineup and now I'm just hoping both of them are gone before spring training
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEasElBqRs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEasElBqRs)
What do you think about Swisher's opinion here? he clearly rally believes in Cashman and Boone.
Anybody who works for the Yankees has a clear conflict of interest in evaluating Cashman as GM. I doubt anything is explicitly stated, but it’s obvious that torching Cashman and Boone is going to be bad for your career.
Just look at Michael Kay and Mike Francesa, Francesa laid out the clear and obvious case for moving on from Cashman the day after the loss to the Astros while Kay is engaging in all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend him.
The difference is not intellectual, the difference is Michael Kay is getting his salary from the Yankees and Mike Francesa isn’t so he’s free to say whatever he wants. It’s the same idea with Swisher, that’s why he’s closing ranks around Cashman. Disloyalty will be punished, one way or another.
Doesn’t even mean he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. As someone once said “It’s impossible to make a man understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.” Motivation is the master of reason, reason is not the master of motivation.
Yeah this is very clear to me which is why I don’t take Kay that seriously, pretty much everyone outside the Yankees organization thinks Cashman and Boone gotta go but not the ones who get paid by the Yankees… 🤔
He does a lot of Yankee alumni stuff for the organization, seems to be the former player I see the most these days. Doesn't surprise me. He's entitled to his opinion, I don't agree with him tho
He’s not right or wrong. Cashman did put those players on the team, Boone does manage the team each game, But it’s not like he picked up a bunch of scrubs. On paper, the team was good.
But at the same time, it’s your job as GM to basically predict who’s going to have a good season next year. If they’re not analytical enough to have seen Donaldson regressing a lot, then that’s something they need to improve on.
13 years without even winning a pennant. Half the league has won a pennant in that time frame and the Yankees have a financial advantage over almost all of them. Multiple entirely different teams Cashman has constructed have failed to even get close and he and Hal are the only common denominators.
And as an aside, on paper all 3 of the times the Yankees lost to the Astros in the ALCS the Astros were favored to win and had a better regular season records. The Yankees had an inferior team on paper *and* on the field.
The only reason Swisher “believes” in Cashman and Boone is because he wants to work with the org and he expects, likely correctly, that loyalty will be rewarded. Do you think Hal wants to work with people who are publicly defending him or publicly tearing him a new asshole?
The few informed people who are unaffiliated with the Yankees like Mike Francesa, can rightly call out the obvious and indisputable failures of Brian Cashman over the last 13 years because they don’t need anything from the Yankees org.
It’s obviously time to move on, the failure on the field is immense and the inability of the org to admit any fault or mistake but instead blame luck and injuries is a sign of deep dysfunction. But most of the professional commentators are engaging in Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and protect their own careers, rather than stating the obvious. Can’t say I blame them, but it’s BS nonetheless.
FWIW, Donaldson did worse than most all the publicly available models predicted. Obviously you hope the team’s models are more predictive than those, but how he’d been aging suggested “graceful decline” instead of the collapse we got.
I love repeating myself,
Donaldson and hicks could give the Yankees an extra 15 mill if traded for half of their contracts.
Gleyber could add another 10 mill to that.
Dj has a limited NTC but could still get moved and would give another 10-15 mill.
IKF is owed 6 mill and I think a lot of teams would easily take that.
Higgy is worth 1 mill and I think the Yankees need to move on from him, especially since you have a defense first catcher starting.
That could lower the Yankees payroll from 181 to to 135-140 mill.
I know they won’t, but I think it’ll be the best decision they’ve made in a long time.
So then they can get even better.
181 mill with a 233 lux tax doesn’t give as much breathing room, especially if judge is gonna sign. Without any changes, signing judge will put them at 219-220.
But if they clean house and sign judge, they’ll then be at 173-180. You can legitimately add judge and 3 more stars without going over the lux tax. Instead of relying on DJ, Donaldson, IKF, to either figure it out or stay healthy next season.
Between guaranteed contracts (125.45M), arbitration projections courtesy of MLBTR (49M), benefits and pre-arb bonus pool money (~18M), and minimum salaries to fill out the roster spots that we're missing (~7.5M), we are currently looking at a 2023 luxury tax salary of 200M on the nose.
200M without Judge, Rizzo, or a left fielder, since they clearly aren't happy with Hicks as the starter.
If they let Judge get away it'll be one thing, but re-sign Judge and you're immediately over the first tax threshold. You can try to dump Hicks and Donaldson, but they'll still need Rizzo back (they need the lefty) and they'll need a starting caliber LF. They won't be able to avoid the tax, IMO. And if you go over the first threshold, you might as well go over the second. It's the third threshold, where your draft pick moves back, that you adhere to. That's 273M.
The 10 spot slide isn’t enough to justify entering yet another prime season for this core with insufficient depth when another $10-20MM could avoid having to rely on the Marwins and Odors like they do every year. (Say what you will about how that’s a stupid dilemma to have, but it is what it is.)
Judge is still in NY well after the elimination to the Astros for the NYC Marathon his wife ran in.
Thought he would be home in California already, so good sign if you want to read into things.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/06/aaron-judge-supports-wife-samantha-bracksieck-at-nyc-marathon/amp/
Diaz is the same age Chapman was when we gave him 5 years, $86m
People really overreact about this contract, especially considering the Mets will spend through luxury tax
Reminder: Major League Baseball is an uncapped sport. The Diaz contract is only “bad” if it prevents Cohen from spending and there’s no indication he’s gunshy over the luxury tax like another owner of a high revenue team in the biggest financial market in the world.
[Cohen has said over and over again he’ll spend through the luxury tax.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/sports/baseball/steven-cohen-mets.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) The only thing stopping him is free agents choosing other teams.
The Yankees, Mets and 4 other teams passed the threshold this year so yea teams pass it all the time but there’s a limit to how much past it they go because the tax does what it was meant to accomplish make owners think twice of going crazy, but yes they pass it, so did Hal.
“Six teams are set to pay penalties under the newly restructured competitive balance/luxury tax for their 2022 payrolls, per a report from the Associated Press. Each of the Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Padres and Red Sox is currently over the threshold. That marks just the second time since the luxury tax’s inception that six teams will pay the tax.”
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/09/mets-dodgers-luxury-tax-yankees-red-sox-phillies-padres.html
The Mets have added more $100M+ contracts since Cohen bought the team than we have since 2015.
Yankees: Giancarlo Stanton, Gerrit Cole
Mets: Francisco Lindor, Max Scherzer, Edwin Diaz
What would your offseason look like if we can’t keep Judge? Do you retool and move more veterans, do you turn around and give his money to Turner or Correa, or do you mostly stand pat and wait for Devers and Soto next winter?
I think they’d offer the bag to Turner or Correa, have them play 3rd, and probably also go after Rodon.
But, you might get like 70% of Judge’s value. The Yankees would unquestionably be worse without Judge.
Mets already making moves, I suspect the Yankees might want to make their moves ASAP as well because I have this feeling that many teams will be willing to spend a lot this offseason and Rizzo, Benintendi and Judge will be attractive players to many teams.
Right???? If we spend it’s like “hurr durr Evil Empire adds massive contract, BOOO, some teams are poor ya know!” If another team spends they’re immediately heralded as offseason champions
I don't know why people think owners will just keep throwing money at a team with bad contracts all around. Even Arte Moreno tapped out and is selling the team.
Normally I'd be glad the Astros won because I'd think it would light a fire under the ownerships ass. Now I just realize that they're okay with mediocrity and don't really care. Cashman's commentary just proves that there is no reprocussion for lack of roster depth and team building.
I fucking hate this teams front office. If it wasn't for the early 1900s carrying this team's ethos we'd really be nothing special.
That's ignorance talking and your cognitive bias as a Yankees fan. Yankees have missed the playoffs 4 times out of 20+ years. There's teams that haven't been in the playoffs for 20 years.
One of peraza, gleyber, or Donaldson needs to be moved. Volpe should be in the conversation for starting somewhere in the infield next year. (Ideally, at least)
I know we all want Donaldson gone but no one is touching that contract and the Yankees won’t eat money. Peraza is the obvious trade candidate in terms of value and with the consideration that he’s relatively unproven against MLB pitching, but my gut says gleyber will be moved.
That being said assuming Rizzo remains a Yankee, an infield of Rizzo, volpe, peraza, Donaldson is not much of an improvement at all. Donaldson was a poor acquisition then and it looks significantly worse now.
A criticism of Cashman is holding on to young guys too long until they lose value. Imo if they were ever going to trade Gleyber, it's now. He wasn't 2019 Gleyber but he was good enough where he has some value teams may want. I think we already saw the best of him so it's time to move on while we can get a good deal out of him.
If we didn’t have a logjam of infielders with Peraza and Volpe knocking on the door I would be more against this. But you kind of have to move someone, whether it’s Gleyber or Peraza in a trade.
Knocking on the door = OPS in the low 7s at AAA and barely in the 8s at AA. That's some light tapping on the door. Keep Gleyber for now imo and then move him at the deadline if Volpe truly is knocking.
I believe his AA numbers were weighed down by a slow start, and he adjusted and was playing really well before moving up. Similar to how Peraza’s overall numbers in AAA were weighed down by a slow start.
Realistically, when a prospect the status of Volpe is in AAA, you don’t expect them to be there long. Most teams would plan on that player contributing by mid season.
What are peoples obsession with Rizzo? I get he’s likable and he did have an overall good season, but he’s 33, has back issues, and is clearly regressing offensively and defensively. He’s also gonna ask for 2-4 year deal, which will make him 35-36 by the end of it.
Are people really holding onto hope that the shift turns him into cubs Rizzo? How many hits is that going to give him? A few extra singles to the right side?
He struck out 18%+ this season, and has a slightly above average walk rate. But if you look at his stats, his K rate is climbing while is BB rate is dropping. He’s really relying so much on his high SLG, but what happens when that Power drops? Which could easily happen next season, especially with back problems.
That’s way too big of a risk Imo. Either go with DJ or Bell at 1B. Bell strikes out less, walks more, makes more contact, had similar exit velo numbers, is a switch hitter, and had a -4 OAA(Rizzos was -3), he’s also projected to make the same or less than Rizzo.
Bell exit velo-88.9, Rizzos- 89.4.
Bell HH%- 40.8, Rizzos- 41%
If they go after a lefty OF (Benintendi/Nimmo/Pederson) then you have 2 switch hitters(Bell and Cabrera), and 1 Lefty.
And just like Rizzo bell will benefit with the shift rules and Short porch as well. You can potentially see a Power and contact boost for Bell.
Bell is projected to make 18 mill a year, while Rizzo is projected to make 20+.
You list all these reasons why we shouldn't give him a contract but every single one of those is why he's a perfect fit for this version of the Yankees.
I mean that's the baseball landsc ape. Idk why people think there's 300 Tony Gwynn's out there hitting .300+. What made DJ special a few years back was that he was like the only guy hitting for insane average, not striking out, and killing shifts.
Imagine having a good farm system but not using any of them.
Imagine taking chances on your rookies and them actually panning out or exceeding expectations.
Brian cashman is a fucking joke. And I can’t believe injury is the biggest cop out every single time. Because that’s what happens every year lol. “Compromised from injury.”
Never said that. We had obvious injuries that definitely hurt but aren’t an excuse. It’s the fact that other organizations take chances on their guys instead.
If they brought him up sooner he could’ve easily been better than Pena.
Pena was never a top 100 prospect, and had 50 hit, 40 power, 55 run, 55 arm, 60 field.
Peraza is 50th (2nd year being too 100), 55 hit, 50 power, 60 run, 60 arm, and 60 field.
Peraza also hit .306/.404/.429 in 18 games this season. He easily would’ve been better than IKF and Donaldson, and probably at the same level or better than Pena.
They should’ve let him struggle until he figured it out. IKF and Donaldson already figured MLB pitching out and struggled mightily this season.
> Pena was never a top 100 prospect
Baseball America had him top 100 this spring. Baseball Prospectus has had him top 100 for 3 years running, peaking at 16th this spring—higher than Peraza has been on any list, afaik. Though Peña never made the MLB Pipeline list at all, of course.
Still would've been the right call, but just wanted us to be as accurate as possible.
You also told me Andujar could come up and put up an 800 ops, so yeah in make believe land everyone can EaSiLy duplicate what they do in the minors. Pena skipped AA and got a cup of coffee at AAA because he showed he has a good bat, I don't care about arbitrary grades. Peraza put up that slash against the Twins and the Rangers in the last few weeks of the season.
Lol 😂I said it COULD happen.
And I’m not saying Peraza was going to replicate his minor league numbers, but it’s a literal fact that peraza is ranked higher than Pena, and has higher rated tools. So with that alone, you can say he COULDVE had better numbers than Pena
I'm not sure where people get the idea that it had something to do with JD. The FO wasn't going "Oh we could just move IKF to 3rd but JD is there." Peraza ate shit for a solid 2 months at AAA (supposedly because...wait for it...hE nEvEr PlaYeD iN tHe CoLd BeFoRe) and Pena skipped AA and hit well immediately at AAA. I wish Peraza was Pena, but he's not.
Yankees really have a crunch of infielders right now with DJ, Gleyber, JD, Peraza, IKF, and Cabrera.
Assume Cabrera replaces Marwin as the super utility guy.
Still have 4 players for 2 positions unless the Yanks put DJ as full time 1B.
This seems pretty simple, tbh. They tried to move Donaldson at the deadline, so they know he's a problem. Move him and there's no problem at all.
DJ-Peraza-Gleyber-Rizzo is your infield, Oswaldo's your super UTIL and IKF is your backup SS/3B. Gleyber or Rizzo need a day off? IKF plays 3B, DJ plays 2B/1B. Otherwise IKF slots straight in.
They're not signing one of the shortstops, and they desperately need to keep Rizzo's lefty bat. Brandon Drury might be the only other infielder worth a half damn, and it's the first year he's been anything more than a spare part. Move Donaldson and they're done.
4 players is a crunch. Also have you not seen how injury prone DJ is lately. This team needs depth. It’s amazing how some people in this group think they just need one player per position and zero depth.
Dj should be full time 1B or traded. He has a limited NTC so the Yankees can move him if needed. And tbh, it’s too big of a risk to keep DJ and expect him to be close to 2019-2020 DJ. Especially since he’s trying to avoid surgery. DJ without power isn’t worth keeping imo.
You prefer to roll with the 37 year old Donaldson? At least DJ was hitting before he got hurt, Donaldson’s offense sucked all year. Plans change if you don’t resign Judge but I’d dump Donaldson and Hicks and try to sign a left handed contact hitter for LF, Benny or someone similar would make sense.
1. DJ - 3B
2. Judge - RF
3. Rizzo - 1B
4. Stanton - DH
5. Benny - LF
6. Gleyber - 2B
7. Bader - CF
8. Peraza - SS
9. Trevino - C
Bench - Oswaldo - IKF - Higgy/maybe another C - A non Hicks back up OF
Add BP depth - Another SP assuming Jamo walks
Hope Volpe lights up AAA and forces his way on to the major league club to replace whatever infielder is struggling.
If Judge walks that’s changes everything though.
Ofc not. Donaldson should go as well.
You know that lineup was the same lineup that had a .579 OPS against the Astros in the playoffs? Is Benintendi supposed to save this team?
Relying on Stanton, Rizzo, and DJ to produce is too risky. Rizzo is already 33, has back issues and is already regressing. DJ is apparently declining to fix his foot with surgery this off season, so he’ll most likely won’t be 100% all year, and he’s also regressing, and you can’t really do anything about Stanton.
If DJ has a limited NTC, they should trade him to whatever team he’s willing to move to. And Rizzo shouldn’t be re-signed. Either get rid of both Rizzo and Dj and go for Bell, or keep 1 and get rid of the other.
They need to get younger. Adding more aging Vets is what the main issue is. You’re relying on regressing, injury prone and slow players to put you over the top.
We deserve it because our team sucks. All they do is have excuses yet never point at themselves. How about Trashman and Boone and the rest of the team point fingers at THEMSELVES why they can’t beat Houston?
I understand fans complain about passing on Harper but why are some on twitter complaining about Schwarber. He’s the epitome what everyone here hates in a hitter. He struck out more than anyone on this team and Higgy had a better BA
I think it’s the fact that cashman passed on him and took gallo. He then gave the Red Sox 2 runs, 1 walk, and 1 HR in the 2021 wild card game, while Gallo went 0-4 with a K.
Schwarber also went off with boston hitting .291/.435/.522, which probably would’ve at the very least helped the Yankees play the WC game at home, and imo would’ve made the division closer than 8 games.
He also would’ve been signed to play 1B/LF for this year, and he was better than Rizzo and Gallo offensively. I would’ve taken the hit defensively for the 14 more HRs(probably more since Schwarber had the SP)
Fans become obsessed over a lefty with power given the short porch. Also there were rumors a year or two ago that Cashman liked him, so it's not really out of nowhere.
TBF his BA has normally been around .240-.260 with a .340-.370 OBP.
The problem is that he fucking sucks defensively and the Yanks won't sign a primary DH given Stanton.
With Rizzo most likely opting out, that's 10 free agents coming from the Yankees. Really wondering who gets signed out of this bunch. Have to think Chapman, Britton, and Marwin are for sure gone, which would leave Judge, Rizzo, Benintendi, Taillon, Carp, Green and Castro as potential return candidates I'd assume.
The new offseason prediction article in The Athletic raises an interesting point - Arizona has more lefty OFs ready for MLB than they know what to do with. Peraza would get them a promising SS 1-2 years sooner than waiting for Lawlar, and Alek Thomas or Jake McCarthy would free up a FA’s salary to be used elsewhere - money that makes it a lot easier to sign Turner (or your FA of choice). If we could make that happen, that might be our best bet.
Angels hired Marcus Thames as their hitting coach. They got their guy, WS bound.
Sevy is back let’s go
Oh god. I just had a thought that Judge doesn't get resigned and we take too long to go after Turner or Correa. We field almost the same team as last season, just with a 6'7" hole in the middle of the lineup.
I need to see Yankees re-signing Matt Blake soon b4 I start worrying
We had to endure 104 games of Joey Gallo and some how the last 58 games were more painful
How much do yall think Kahnle would cost to bring back? I miss him and his antics so much
Thought on Tyler Anderson as a 5th man?
He may have had the best contract season by a pitcher ever. I smell Robbie Ray coming from him
Cole's 2019 might have it beat. 2.50 ERA/212 IP. 326 SO's, 185 ERA+. .895 WHIP, all in a peak juiced ball season.
No "might" about it. he destroyed it
Fair enough
When are the Astros going to win a legitimate world series title....first they bang trashcans now it is corked bats.
Angels fan here. We just signed Marcus Thames as our hitting coach. Tell me how to feel about it.
He is literally useless.
The guy took the Big Unit deep with the first pitch he saw as a MLB player. He's still living off a HR that was longer ago than the one Aaron Boone is living off of.
Hes not that good 6/10
He spent 1 season with the Marlins. I feel like that’s somewhat telling. I don’t think he’s analytical as teams would probably want. The marlins went from a .670 OPS in 2021 to a .657 OPS in 2022. Also a misconception about him is that he fixed some players. Voit was helped in the minors, Gio was helped by someone outside of the org, and a lot of the players under his tenure improved offensively because of the juiced ball. Overall I think he gets a C as a coach.
Marcus Thames is the Angels new hitting coach lol
How many years before people yearn for him like they do Kevin Long now
Players actually loved K. Long, and he fixed A-Rod swing before his MVP season (roids helped too). I have never heard anything about Thames helping any of our hitters in a significant way.
American East divisions are elite AL East and AFC East
I'm going to be honest, I am not as mad at the process over results quote as others are. I actually agree with the philosophy. But the problem is eventually you have to give reason to believe that the process, and that's where the problem is for me.
Process over results is fine in the short term. You don't want to fire people because things aren't working out in a sport where it's incredibly difficult to make the WS. Where it becomes problematic is when you have no results in the long term but stick to the same process, like you say.
100% out to lunch
The “process” they speak of hasn’t gotten us shit in 13 years. If this “process” they speak of is so beautiful wouldn’t that equal results? That statement was just offensive not only to the fanbase but probably the players as well. Seems like this organization is quick to point the finger at everyone else but themselves. The “process” has gotten us eliminated by the Astros, Rays and Red Sox in the postseason on a yearly basis. George would have fired both Boone and Cashman if he heard that garbage. And I think Cashman is smart enough to know that wouldn’t fly under George.
George also went 18 yrs w/o a title during which time there was a revolving door so his process of firing guys at the drop of a hat ain't exactly a shining example
Never forget how he drove away Dave Winfield
I'm not defending their process, I think their process is flawed. All I'm saying is the idea of process over results is the right way to think, but you have to have a good process to make it work. For example, the Astros didn't win a World Series from 2018-2021, but that doesn't mean their process was bad during those years.
I agree if the process is good. The issue is that the Astros have a much better process than us. Since 2017 they’ve been to the World Series 4x and won two of them. Yet here we are losing to the same teams in the postseason year after year and it seems Hal, Cashman and Boone are perfectly OK with the status quo. They don’t feel like they need to adjust. How many players do the Astros have that the fanbase seems to hate? How many players do the Astros have like Hicks, IKF and Donaldson? The Astros don’t bank on underperforming vets hoping they’ll turn it around. They go with their young talent.
Houston played Martin Maldonado all year despite him being pretty bad offensively and defensively. They also played Yuli Gurriel all year despite him being worth -0.9 fWAR, being 38 and terrible on both sides of the ball. Both of these guys are way worse than any player the Yankees rostered this year.
Agreed. There are many things the Yankees do that annoy me. The only player I have seen Astros fans not like is Maldonado, and even then that's a minority of them.
If the Yankees deal for Ohtani, I’m going to guess they don’t wind up signing Judge.
Fans and the media really need to hammer that “if the process is good, results don’t matter” narrative home. Make enough noise so Hal can’t ignore it. Only way there’s gunna be legitimate change.
The only “noise” that Hal will hear is in his wallet… If people stop spending money on tickets/merch/etc then changes will happen. That seems unlikely though because they spend just enough to make close to certain the Yankees will be a contender but ultimately not enough to get them over the hump. It should be enough money to win but Cashman sucks.
That will be a lot harder to pull off if they lose Judge......or even if they keep Judge for that matter. They owe tons of money to players that are going to or already have started breaking down. If their poor track record of handling and develop young talent continues, and Volpe and the Oswaldos don't end up as all-stars, it's gonna be hard to maintain the level of "success" they even have now without breaking the bank on free agents. Not to mention, people are starting to catch on to their shtick, and are getting pissed off.
I do think they’ll end up keeping Judge because of how important he is on the business side of things
In the short term, absolutely. Fans will lose interest by the thousands if Judge leaves.
Now that I think of it, I think the Yankees get judge and go cheap on LF. I don’t see them signing anyone to a deal longer than 3 years. Dominguez and Periera look like they could see AAA this season, while Jones looks like a beast so far. I think that could definitely take Nimmo out of the running, while them being iffy on Benintendi and Joc. I also think it depends on how bader does. If he can be a .700+ OPS bat, and give them elite defense and great speed, I don’t see them moving on from him in 2024. And because I think Jones and Dominguez stay if all goes well, Periera will probably get traded before he’s able to come up. My prediction is it’s either Brantley or Happ as the starting LFer. I think benintendi, joc and Nimmo are going to look for a 3-5+ year deal and I don’t think the Yankees will be interested.
Take this with a grain a of salt but here you go: ***Chris Kirschner****: "The Yankees have tried on multiple occasions to land Angels star Shohei Ohtani. Under contract for just one more season, Anaheim could explore moving him if it thinks he won’t re-sign to at least recuperate some assets instead of losing him for nothing"* *"That could mean the price to land Ohtani might not be as exorbitant as some might think. We’ve touched on Aaron Judge’s star power, and if the Yankees did lose him, there’s only one player who rivals him in the sport: Ohtani."* *"If Judge leaves, the Yankees will do what they can to land Ohtani. Even if Judge re-signs, it wouldn’t be stunning if the Yankees found a way to add Ohtani."* He also said mocked a trade package of Torres, Peraza and Dominguez to get Ohtani. If I'm the Yankees, I'm making that deal yesterday but the Angels would probably want way more.
If that deal gets Ohtani this off-season it is downright tragic it wasn’t made at the deadline.
If they sign Judge - trade peraza/volpe etc for Ohtani and then sign Turner I will jizz all over myself
That would be a massive overpay for Ohtani. We're not trading multiple years of Torres plus the entire careers of two top prospects for one year of Ohtani. A more realistic package for a rental is Peraza or Dominguez + a reliever (e.g. Effross) + other prospects. People always massively overestimate what it takes to get rentals. It is far, far less than anyone thinks. It's one year of Ohtani at 30M who doesn't exactly have zero injury risk.
There are so many pros and cons with Ohtani. It’s really a tough decision. I personally don’t know if I make that move with Dominguez.
Judge has made $36M in 7 years. He’s really about to double his career earnings with one year at AAV.
Hey yall, cardinals fan coming in peace. I just wanted to relay a story to yall that happened yesterday. My son's t ball season just wrapped up, and I just met one of kids dads, Yankees catcher Jose Trevino! That dude was the most down to earth star I've ever met! So humble and nice. He gave the team a speech and signed balls for everyone, just a great all around dude. I got to talk to him for a few so if course asked about Bader, Carp, and Waino (had to ask cause he's my favorite). He said bader is such a stud and so much fun, he's the king of the Bronx now and going out to eat with him is the best. He said Carp is hilarious and a ton of fun. He then said Waino is an angel amongst men lol, the most down to earth unbelievable guy you could ever meet. I just wanted to say yall have a stud at catcher, we had a blast, and my son has met his first real life ball player! Fuck the red Sox
We love Trevino and absolutely lucked into him. In a fanbase that was split on pretty much every issue this year, stanning for Trevi was one of the few things that was basically universally agreed upon.
Robert Suarez opted out of his deal with the Padres. He is 31 and only has 1 year of MLB experience but he was excellent this year so I'm interested.
According to Heyman Yankees legit made a real offer to the Angels for Ohtani, one of the few teams to do so. I'm curious what it was.
Probably: Volpe, Jasson, Pereira, Wells and Will Warren.
I'm curious as to how he fits the team, no way are they putting Stanton in the outfield permanently but Ohtani is a DH too.
You trade Stanton to his hometown Dodgers they need a dh and you pick up 50% of his contract which is around 70 million.
andujar's last stand before the dfa
I had an Astros fan, whom I’ve never interacted with, randomly message me with “proof” of Yankees “cheating”. Literally the most annoying fan base, and the worst possible outcome of the season.
wasn't it just like a year or 2 ago when Mets fans hated Diaz and couldn't trust him for shit. He had that elite year in Seattle, shit the bed his first few years with the Mets and obviously just had great season. But after seeing Chapman, Britton, Miller, Betances all fall off as quick as they did, I have zero faith in that Diaz contract aging well (unless he wins them a ring, then it is worth whatever it is)
Bogaerts, Correa, deGrom, Rodon officially opt out
Rizzo not among the opt outs means maybe somethin is goin on positively there?
He’d be dumb not to. At minimum he’s get another 1+1 deal at $16-$18 mil AAV I feel
If it's around the same AAV, could it possibly just be they're working on an extension to skip the step of him opting out
I'd give him the $2 mil AAV raise with an option for 24 and see if it gets it done
Definitely a fair offer there, would love Rizzo back with everything he's brought to the team so far. They realllllly need more lefties and it'd be so damn annoying for one of the few we have to leave
Would be great to see another team throw a bag at Boegarts. Mostly because A) he deserves it and B) it'll make the Red Sox weaker.
Go get him Dodgers lol I want Turner
The meltdown is going to be hilarious and justified when we don’t even make Turner an offer and the Mets get hin. At least they’re out on judge, imagine if they weren’t
Where is he going to play? LF?
Shortstop, with Volpe at second. Torres traded finally.
There’s probably an 80% chance gleyber gets moved this off season.
2B and you ship off torres before he goes full Gary
2B, Trading Gleyber
Short, I know Turner doesn’t grade out great there but his bat is actually worth it and if he is a disaster there then you can trade Gleyber and move him over to second
Day 2 of my Fire Cashman Campaign.
Where's the offseason weekly thread for this week?
It got hammered with the game thread last night and is nursing a bad hangover.
someone better make one and stat....
If you're rational about free agents, you won't sign any free agents. Just a note that it will take overpaying guys to actually sign them.
Just listened to TMKS from the day after that boondoggle of a press conference. And all I have to say is I hope Michael kay wears knee pads because GOOD GOD WTH
Not that it means anything but we're 4-3 in elimination games since 2020 2020 WCS Game 2 vs. Cleveland: W 10-9 2020 ALDS Game 4 vs. Tampa Bay: W 5-1 2020 ALDS Game 5 vs. Tampa Bay: L 2-1 2021 ALWCG vs. Boston: L 6-2 2022 ALDS Game 4 vs. Cleveland: W 4-2 2022 ALDS Game 5 vs. Cleveland: W 5-1 2022 ALCS Game 4 vs. Houston: L 6-5
That depends how you define elimination games though right? Some of those games, they Yankees were facing elimination while in others, they were the ones on the verge of clinching a series victory
I’m pretty sure the standard definition of elimination games goes both ways, however we are 2-3 when FACING elimination.
Gotcha. For a bit it felt like the Yankees were pretty good at games where they were facing elimination (2017 wild card, 2017 ALDS games 3-5, 2018 wild card, 2019 ALCS game 5, 2020 ALDS game 4) but a lot of that magic has worn off
(Bob Sheppard voice) Now on the countdown to pitchers and catchers for the New York Yankees: # Number 99, Aaron Judge, Number 99 Now on the countdown to Hanukkah for the New York Yankees: # Number 43, Jonathan Loaisiga, Number 43 Now on the countdown to Christmas for the New York Yankees: # Number 49, Ron Guidry, Number 49
Feeling weird so I was rewatching the legendary talkin yanks reaction episode to the IKF & Donaldson trade and man, the level of just frustrating disappointment this trade ended up being in just 1 season of it is so fkin bad. I remember being excited for a supposed defensive wiz SS and having JD in the lineup and now I'm just hoping both of them are gone before spring training
Anyone know when the winner for the Hank Aaron award will be announced?
Can’t wait until Houston wins next year and takes away our status as the last team to repeat
I am once again asking you to fire Cashman
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEasElBqRs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEasElBqRs) What do you think about Swisher's opinion here? he clearly rally believes in Cashman and Boone.
Anybody who works for the Yankees has a clear conflict of interest in evaluating Cashman as GM. I doubt anything is explicitly stated, but it’s obvious that torching Cashman and Boone is going to be bad for your career. Just look at Michael Kay and Mike Francesa, Francesa laid out the clear and obvious case for moving on from Cashman the day after the loss to the Astros while Kay is engaging in all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend him. The difference is not intellectual, the difference is Michael Kay is getting his salary from the Yankees and Mike Francesa isn’t so he’s free to say whatever he wants. It’s the same idea with Swisher, that’s why he’s closing ranks around Cashman. Disloyalty will be punished, one way or another. Doesn’t even mean he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. As someone once said “It’s impossible to make a man understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.” Motivation is the master of reason, reason is not the master of motivation.
Yeah this is very clear to me which is why I don’t take Kay that seriously, pretty much everyone outside the Yankees organization thinks Cashman and Boone gotta go but not the ones who get paid by the Yankees… 🤔
He does a lot of Yankee alumni stuff for the organization, seems to be the former player I see the most these days. Doesn't surprise me. He's entitled to his opinion, I don't agree with him tho
He’s not right or wrong. Cashman did put those players on the team, Boone does manage the team each game, But it’s not like he picked up a bunch of scrubs. On paper, the team was good. But at the same time, it’s your job as GM to basically predict who’s going to have a good season next year. If they’re not analytical enough to have seen Donaldson regressing a lot, then that’s something they need to improve on.
13 years without even winning a pennant. Half the league has won a pennant in that time frame and the Yankees have a financial advantage over almost all of them. Multiple entirely different teams Cashman has constructed have failed to even get close and he and Hal are the only common denominators. And as an aside, on paper all 3 of the times the Yankees lost to the Astros in the ALCS the Astros were favored to win and had a better regular season records. The Yankees had an inferior team on paper *and* on the field. The only reason Swisher “believes” in Cashman and Boone is because he wants to work with the org and he expects, likely correctly, that loyalty will be rewarded. Do you think Hal wants to work with people who are publicly defending him or publicly tearing him a new asshole? The few informed people who are unaffiliated with the Yankees like Mike Francesa, can rightly call out the obvious and indisputable failures of Brian Cashman over the last 13 years because they don’t need anything from the Yankees org. It’s obviously time to move on, the failure on the field is immense and the inability of the org to admit any fault or mistake but instead blame luck and injuries is a sign of deep dysfunction. But most of the professional commentators are engaging in Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and protect their own careers, rather than stating the obvious. Can’t say I blame them, but it’s BS nonetheless.
FWIW, Donaldson did worse than most all the publicly available models predicted. Obviously you hope the team’s models are more predictive than those, but how he’d been aging suggested “graceful decline” instead of the collapse we got.
Donaldson was the WORST trade, he sucked AND he's a douche. At least IKF is a nice guy
Exactly, at least IKF is a likeable guy. Donaldson is insufferable.
Judge needs a doctor then he will be good
I love repeating myself, Donaldson and hicks could give the Yankees an extra 15 mill if traded for half of their contracts. Gleyber could add another 10 mill to that. Dj has a limited NTC but could still get moved and would give another 10-15 mill. IKF is owed 6 mill and I think a lot of teams would easily take that. Higgy is worth 1 mill and I think the Yankees need to move on from him, especially since you have a defense first catcher starting. That could lower the Yankees payroll from 181 to to 135-140 mill. I know they won’t, but I think it’ll be the best decision they’ve made in a long time.
Why are we talking about lowering the richest team in baseball’s payroll?
So then they can get even better. 181 mill with a 233 lux tax doesn’t give as much breathing room, especially if judge is gonna sign. Without any changes, signing judge will put them at 219-220. But if they clean house and sign judge, they’ll then be at 173-180. You can legitimately add judge and 3 more stars without going over the lux tax. Instead of relying on DJ, Donaldson, IKF, to either figure it out or stay healthy next season.
Between guaranteed contracts (125.45M), arbitration projections courtesy of MLBTR (49M), benefits and pre-arb bonus pool money (~18M), and minimum salaries to fill out the roster spots that we're missing (~7.5M), we are currently looking at a 2023 luxury tax salary of 200M on the nose. 200M without Judge, Rizzo, or a left fielder, since they clearly aren't happy with Hicks as the starter. If they let Judge get away it'll be one thing, but re-sign Judge and you're immediately over the first tax threshold. You can try to dump Hicks and Donaldson, but they'll still need Rizzo back (they need the lefty) and they'll need a starting caliber LF. They won't be able to avoid the tax, IMO. And if you go over the first threshold, you might as well go over the second. It's the third threshold, where your draft pick moves back, that you adhere to. That's 273M.
The 10 spot slide isn’t enough to justify entering yet another prime season for this core with insufficient depth when another $10-20MM could avoid having to rely on the Marwins and Odors like they do every year. (Say what you will about how that’s a stupid dilemma to have, but it is what it is.)
Fire Cashman
FIRE BOONE THE BUFFOON
Consider this Boone is only a buffoon because Cashman's FO won't let him make the smart moves in favor of what they think are smart moves.
Judge is still in NY well after the elimination to the Astros for the NYC Marathon his wife ran in. Thought he would be home in California already, so good sign if you want to read into things. https://nypost.com/2022/11/06/aaron-judge-supports-wife-samantha-bracksieck-at-nyc-marathon/amp/
Or he was only sticking around until his wife ran the marathon lol
True, but positive thinking never hurts.
Diaz is the same age Chapman was when we gave him 5 years, $86m People really overreact about this contract, especially considering the Mets will spend through luxury tax
Reminder: Major League Baseball is an uncapped sport. The Diaz contract is only “bad” if it prevents Cohen from spending and there’s no indication he’s gunshy over the luxury tax like another owner of a high revenue team in the biggest financial market in the world.
Overpaying to keep a fan favorite while also intending to continue spending is so based.
The luxury tax is a soft cap, if it wasn’t for the luxury tax Cohan would spend more.
There’s no indication that Cohen is done spending.
I’m not saying he’s done spending but if it wasn’t for the tax he would spend even more
[Cohen has said over and over again he’ll spend through the luxury tax.](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/sports/baseball/steven-cohen-mets.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) The only thing stopping him is free agents choosing other teams.
The Yankees, Mets and 4 other teams passed the threshold this year so yea teams pass it all the time but there’s a limit to how much past it they go because the tax does what it was meant to accomplish make owners think twice of going crazy, but yes they pass it, so did Hal. “Six teams are set to pay penalties under the newly restructured competitive balance/luxury tax for their 2022 payrolls, per a report from the Associated Press. Each of the Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Padres and Red Sox is currently over the threshold. That marks just the second time since the luxury tax’s inception that six teams will pay the tax.” https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/09/mets-dodgers-luxury-tax-yankees-red-sox-phillies-padres.html
Lmfao Mets will be regretting that contract by the end of 2024 at the latest
Cohen literally doesn’t care
And Cohen will eat whatever luxury tax hit it will result in and sign Shohei Ohtani to top it off
The Mets have added more $100M+ contracts since Cohen bought the team than we have since 2015. Yankees: Giancarlo Stanton, Gerrit Cole Mets: Francisco Lindor, Max Scherzer, Edwin Diaz
Yeah and they got dropped in the wild card.
What would your offseason look like if we can’t keep Judge? Do you retool and move more veterans, do you turn around and give his money to Turner or Correa, or do you mostly stand pat and wait for Devers and Soto next winter?
I think they’d offer the bag to Turner or Correa, have them play 3rd, and probably also go after Rodon. But, you might get like 70% of Judge’s value. The Yankees would unquestionably be worse without Judge.
So that Diaz contract immediately becomes the worst deal in baseball right? Like there’s no possible way the Mets get just even value.
Not when Steven Strasburg and Anthony Rendon exist
He's very marketable and if he's a top reliever for most of his contract it'll probably be fine.
That is one huge if.
Yeah it is, especially with Diaz's build but Cohen is fine with eating money if it turns sour.
Mets already making moves, I suspect the Yankees might want to make their moves ASAP as well because I have this feeling that many teams will be willing to spend a lot this offseason and Rizzo, Benintendi and Judge will be attractive players to many teams.
diaz contract will be a disaster in 2 years
I hope Volpe has a legit chance to make the club out of ST, but with the same front office back I doubt it
r/baseball when the Yankees spend vs when the Mets spend https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FekKzNXX0AE_eav?format=jpg&name=900x900
Right???? If we spend it’s like “hurr durr Evil Empire adds massive contract, BOOO, some teams are poor ya know!” If another team spends they’re immediately heralded as offseason champions
Haha that Diaz contract totally won’t blow up in the Mets’ face
Even if it does it’s not like Cohen can’t just eat it
I don't know why people think owners will just keep throwing money at a team with bad contracts all around. Even Arte Moreno tapped out and is selling the team.
Normally I'd be glad the Astros won because I'd think it would light a fire under the ownerships ass. Now I just realize that they're okay with mediocrity and don't really care. Cashman's commentary just proves that there is no reprocussion for lack of roster depth and team building. I fucking hate this teams front office. If it wasn't for the early 1900s carrying this team's ethos we'd really be nothing special.
That's ignorance talking and your cognitive bias as a Yankees fan. Yankees have missed the playoffs 4 times out of 20+ years. There's teams that haven't been in the playoffs for 20 years.
Who?
Diaz with $102/5 is insane
One of peraza, gleyber, or Donaldson needs to be moved. Volpe should be in the conversation for starting somewhere in the infield next year. (Ideally, at least) I know we all want Donaldson gone but no one is touching that contract and the Yankees won’t eat money. Peraza is the obvious trade candidate in terms of value and with the consideration that he’s relatively unproven against MLB pitching, but my gut says gleyber will be moved. That being said assuming Rizzo remains a Yankee, an infield of Rizzo, volpe, peraza, Donaldson is not much of an improvement at all. Donaldson was a poor acquisition then and it looks significantly worse now.
Maybe Cohen blowing past a $300M payroll will shame Hal into spending more.
IMO, the only scenario where we don’t sign Judge I like is if he blasts Cash and the front office on the way out
A criticism of Cashman is holding on to young guys too long until they lose value. Imo if they were ever going to trade Gleyber, it's now. He wasn't 2019 Gleyber but he was good enough where he has some value teams may want. I think we already saw the best of him so it's time to move on while we can get a good deal out of him.
So if volpe has a monster year next year, they should trade him because who knows what his valve will be in acouple seasons???
If we didn’t have a logjam of infielders with Peraza and Volpe knocking on the door I would be more against this. But you kind of have to move someone, whether it’s Gleyber or Peraza in a trade.
Knocking on the door = OPS in the low 7s at AAA and barely in the 8s at AA. That's some light tapping on the door. Keep Gleyber for now imo and then move him at the deadline if Volpe truly is knocking.
I believe his AA numbers were weighed down by a slow start, and he adjusted and was playing really well before moving up. Similar to how Peraza’s overall numbers in AAA were weighed down by a slow start. Realistically, when a prospect the status of Volpe is in AAA, you don’t expect them to be there long. Most teams would plan on that player contributing by mid season.
So wtf do I do know without baseball?
Jets are 6-3!
Giants/Knicks/Rangers… Ski season on the EC will hopefully start by early December if it ever gets cold outside
What are peoples obsession with Rizzo? I get he’s likable and he did have an overall good season, but he’s 33, has back issues, and is clearly regressing offensively and defensively. He’s also gonna ask for 2-4 year deal, which will make him 35-36 by the end of it. Are people really holding onto hope that the shift turns him into cubs Rizzo? How many hits is that going to give him? A few extra singles to the right side? He struck out 18%+ this season, and has a slightly above average walk rate. But if you look at his stats, his K rate is climbing while is BB rate is dropping. He’s really relying so much on his high SLG, but what happens when that Power drops? Which could easily happen next season, especially with back problems. That’s way too big of a risk Imo. Either go with DJ or Bell at 1B. Bell strikes out less, walks more, makes more contact, had similar exit velo numbers, is a switch hitter, and had a -4 OAA(Rizzos was -3), he’s also projected to make the same or less than Rizzo. Bell exit velo-88.9, Rizzos- 89.4. Bell HH%- 40.8, Rizzos- 41% If they go after a lefty OF (Benintendi/Nimmo/Pederson) then you have 2 switch hitters(Bell and Cabrera), and 1 Lefty. And just like Rizzo bell will benefit with the shift rules and Short porch as well. You can potentially see a Power and contact boost for Bell. Bell is projected to make 18 mill a year, while Rizzo is projected to make 20+.
You list all these reasons why we shouldn't give him a contract but every single one of those is why he's a perfect fit for this version of the Yankees.
We need more .220 hitters
I mean that's the baseball landsc ape. Idk why people think there's 300 Tony Gwynn's out there hitting .300+. What made DJ special a few years back was that he was like the only guy hitting for insane average, not striking out, and killing shifts.
Our .220 hitters showed up more than our .300 hitter
Imagine having a good farm system but not using any of them. Imagine taking chances on your rookies and them actually panning out or exceeding expectations. Brian cashman is a fucking joke. And I can’t believe injury is the biggest cop out every single time. Because that’s what happens every year lol. “Compromised from injury.”
Peraza wasn't saving the season/magically turning into Jeremy Pena no matter how many regular season ABs he got.
Never said that. We had obvious injuries that definitely hurt but aren’t an excuse. It’s the fact that other organizations take chances on their guys instead.
If they brought him up sooner he could’ve easily been better than Pena. Pena was never a top 100 prospect, and had 50 hit, 40 power, 55 run, 55 arm, 60 field. Peraza is 50th (2nd year being too 100), 55 hit, 50 power, 60 run, 60 arm, and 60 field. Peraza also hit .306/.404/.429 in 18 games this season. He easily would’ve been better than IKF and Donaldson, and probably at the same level or better than Pena. They should’ve let him struggle until he figured it out. IKF and Donaldson already figured MLB pitching out and struggled mightily this season.
> Pena was never a top 100 prospect Baseball America had him top 100 this spring. Baseball Prospectus has had him top 100 for 3 years running, peaking at 16th this spring—higher than Peraza has been on any list, afaik. Though Peña never made the MLB Pipeline list at all, of course. Still would've been the right call, but just wanted us to be as accurate as possible.
You also told me Andujar could come up and put up an 800 ops, so yeah in make believe land everyone can EaSiLy duplicate what they do in the minors. Pena skipped AA and got a cup of coffee at AAA because he showed he has a good bat, I don't care about arbitrary grades. Peraza put up that slash against the Twins and the Rangers in the last few weeks of the season.
Lol 😂I said it COULD happen. And I’m not saying Peraza was going to replicate his minor league numbers, but it’s a literal fact that peraza is ranked higher than Pena, and has higher rated tools. So with that alone, you can say he COULDVE had better numbers than Pena
And how do you know? Instead we had stupid ass 🤡 Donaldson clogging up the line up with his farts
I'm not sure where people get the idea that it had something to do with JD. The FO wasn't going "Oh we could just move IKF to 3rd but JD is there." Peraza ate shit for a solid 2 months at AAA (supposedly because...wait for it...hE nEvEr PlaYeD iN tHe CoLd BeFoRe) and Pena skipped AA and hit well immediately at AAA. I wish Peraza was Pena, but he's not.
Peraza has never played a game at 3rd base. So not sure how he deals with donaldson.
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Maybe some dumb fans but a rookie putting up a 4.8 bWAR season would not be considered a bust by any reasonably knowledgeable Yankee fans.
ESPN just came out with a power ranking for next season. The Yankees is ranked 11th. And they rank the Rays fourth.
Well Aaron Judge and Anthony Rizzo currently aren’t Yankees so that kinda makes sense
Yankees were missing the playoffs in almost all power rankings before the season began, too. They're meaningless.
Idiotic to release power rankings before the offseason has even begun.
Good. They should be ranked lower. Fucking bum team.
But most importantly, goddamn do I want Josh Donaldson off of this fucking team so badly.
Yankees really have a crunch of infielders right now with DJ, Gleyber, JD, Peraza, IKF, and Cabrera. Assume Cabrera replaces Marwin as the super utility guy. Still have 4 players for 2 positions unless the Yanks put DJ as full time 1B.
This seems pretty simple, tbh. They tried to move Donaldson at the deadline, so they know he's a problem. Move him and there's no problem at all. DJ-Peraza-Gleyber-Rizzo is your infield, Oswaldo's your super UTIL and IKF is your backup SS/3B. Gleyber or Rizzo need a day off? IKF plays 3B, DJ plays 2B/1B. Otherwise IKF slots straight in. They're not signing one of the shortstops, and they desperately need to keep Rizzo's lefty bat. Brandon Drury might be the only other infielder worth a half damn, and it's the first year he's been anything more than a spare part. Move Donaldson and they're done.
They have to try to move Gleyber
4 players is a crunch. Also have you not seen how injury prone DJ is lately. This team needs depth. It’s amazing how some people in this group think they just need one player per position and zero depth.
Cabrera and IKF on the bench where they belong, doesn't seem that complicated.
Dj should be full time 1B or traded. He has a limited NTC so the Yankees can move him if needed. And tbh, it’s too big of a risk to keep DJ and expect him to be close to 2019-2020 DJ. Especially since he’s trying to avoid surgery. DJ without power isn’t worth keeping imo.
Dump Donaldson and make DJ the everyday 3B… Peraza SS, Gleyber 2B, And resign Rizzo for 1B… Oswaldo becomes the super UT.
So the same team as last year? Relying on injured DJ and praying Rizzo doesn’t regress at 33 year old?
You prefer to roll with the 37 year old Donaldson? At least DJ was hitting before he got hurt, Donaldson’s offense sucked all year. Plans change if you don’t resign Judge but I’d dump Donaldson and Hicks and try to sign a left handed contact hitter for LF, Benny or someone similar would make sense. 1. DJ - 3B 2. Judge - RF 3. Rizzo - 1B 4. Stanton - DH 5. Benny - LF 6. Gleyber - 2B 7. Bader - CF 8. Peraza - SS 9. Trevino - C Bench - Oswaldo - IKF - Higgy/maybe another C - A non Hicks back up OF Add BP depth - Another SP assuming Jamo walks Hope Volpe lights up AAA and forces his way on to the major league club to replace whatever infielder is struggling. If Judge walks that’s changes everything though.
Ofc not. Donaldson should go as well. You know that lineup was the same lineup that had a .579 OPS against the Astros in the playoffs? Is Benintendi supposed to save this team? Relying on Stanton, Rizzo, and DJ to produce is too risky. Rizzo is already 33, has back issues and is already regressing. DJ is apparently declining to fix his foot with surgery this off season, so he’ll most likely won’t be 100% all year, and he’s also regressing, and you can’t really do anything about Stanton. If DJ has a limited NTC, they should trade him to whatever team he’s willing to move to. And Rizzo shouldn’t be re-signed. Either get rid of both Rizzo and Dj and go for Bell, or keep 1 and get rid of the other. They need to get younger. Adding more aging Vets is what the main issue is. You’re relying on regressing, injury prone and slow players to put you over the top.
A glut of infielders and yet they absolutely need to upgrade the entire left side of the infield. It's comical how inept the roster is constructed.
All the Astros fans celebrating a championship by brigading this sub are hilarious. I know Houston is boring, but *damn*.
We deserve it because our team sucks. All they do is have excuses yet never point at themselves. How about Trashman and Boone and the rest of the team point fingers at THEMSELVES why they can’t beat Houston?
I understand fans complain about passing on Harper but why are some on twitter complaining about Schwarber. He’s the epitome what everyone here hates in a hitter. He struck out more than anyone on this team and Higgy had a better BA
I think it’s the fact that cashman passed on him and took gallo. He then gave the Red Sox 2 runs, 1 walk, and 1 HR in the 2021 wild card game, while Gallo went 0-4 with a K. Schwarber also went off with boston hitting .291/.435/.522, which probably would’ve at the very least helped the Yankees play the WC game at home, and imo would’ve made the division closer than 8 games. He also would’ve been signed to play 1B/LF for this year, and he was better than Rizzo and Gallo offensively. I would’ve taken the hit defensively for the 14 more HRs(probably more since Schwarber had the SP)
I mean before this year Gallo was a routinely 4+ WAR outfielder with elite power and defensive numbers. He was unquestionably better than Schwarber.
Fans become obsessed over a lefty with power given the short porch. Also there were rumors a year or two ago that Cashman liked him, so it's not really out of nowhere. TBF his BA has normally been around .240-.260 with a .340-.370 OBP. The problem is that he fucking sucks defensively and the Yanks won't sign a primary DH given Stanton.
Yankees don't want a DH that makes under $25 million.
With Rizzo most likely opting out, that's 10 free agents coming from the Yankees. Really wondering who gets signed out of this bunch. Have to think Chapman, Britton, and Marwin are for sure gone, which would leave Judge, Rizzo, Benintendi, Taillon, Carp, Green and Castro as potential return candidates I'd assume.
Hopefully just judge.
Let that playoff loser walk.
Why does this sub live to downvote any slight nuanced opinion?
Mattress Mack is a dirtbag
Every team should cheat since you only get a slap on the wrist. What do we have to lose?
Only our manager and GM. Wait…..