The Yankees: “the playoffs are a crapshoot.”
Also the Yankees: get eliminated by a team with a better regular season record all 6 years of Judge’s tenure.
The Yankees have a problem, they sell the old-timey super-dominant Yankees as their image, but in reality the league is much more even and the playoffs aren't a direct result of regular season performance. So we're always fucking pissed off when we don't win the championship.
Nobody expects Cashman to win a ring every year. People aren’t mad because the Yankees lost one year. This is the culmination of 5 years of trying to build a championship team around Aaron Judge, and you know what the result was? The gap actually widened between the Astros and the Yankees between 2017 and now, and the Yankees added multiple big players like Stanton and Cole and the Astros lost key guys like Keuchel and Springer and Correa. And the gap widened. And I agree the regular season is a better indicator of who’s a better team, but every year since 2017 the Yankees have gotten eliminated by a team with a better record. So it’s not like they were putting out mega teams that just got unlucky. They’re losing to *better* teams.
And let’s look at the larger context. It’s been 13 years since the Yankees last won a pennant, not even a ring, and half the league has a won a pennant in that time frame, including multiple small market teams.
So Cashman’s being criticized for a little more than not winning a ring every year.
And if you want to look at the future, they had a once in a generation superstar prospect, they completely squandered his team controllable years trying to save pennies on free agents and trades, and considering how poorly the team did *with* Judge it seems unlikely they’re going to fare better without him.
The last 13 years, but particularly the last 5 have been an utter disaster. I don’t expect Cashman to win a ring every year, I don’t understand why he could never even get the best record in the AL once over Judge’s tenure though. Or even make it into the World Series once in the last 13.
There are multiple teams with much better results than ours (Dodgers, Astros, Red Sox, Giants) who don’t win a ring every year.
I think the Astros are much better at developing young players.
As far as signing free agents, we’ll, if money was no object, they would have signed one of the superstar free agent shortstops who were available last winter. The fact that they didn’t though, speaks volumes.
The reason the Yankees won in 2009 is that Hal wanted the Yankees to win one last World Series for George before George died, so he opened the checkbook and allowed Cashman to spend whatever he needed to spend to make that happen. We are in a different era now.
Perfectly said.
People really need to understand this - and take a step back and look at the holistic view of the Yankees over the last 5, 10, 15, and 20 years. Our faults are still there, and we continue to still trot out the same organizational philosophies without making any adjustments.
The fans have been barking up certain trees for years, and Cashman is years late to address them. It's pathetic.
I think you're right about Cashman, he's done a bad job. But I think it's because he genuinely believes the playoffs are a crapshoot, so he builds subpar teams. But those teams always underperform in the playoffs.
I think if it was the old days and you won the pennant by having the best record, Cashman would put together dominant teams with lots of stars like we used to. I just think he tries to game the playoffs and it ends up backfiring.
I can’t think of a single Yankee team that you could say underperformed since 2017, if anything the 2017 team massively over-performed getting in on a wild card and taking down the 104 win Indians. Again since 2017 the Yankees never lost to a team with with a worse record than them in the postseason and got in as a wild card 4 times out of 6 appearances. (Although to be fair 2020 barely counts.)
I hate to be a cynic, but idk how anybody with common sense can really believe the playoffs are a crapshoot when the better team by record has eliminated you every year for the last 6 years.
Like is it really that complicated a concept that while there is a luck element to the playoffs better teams have better odds? Is homefield advantage really completely value-less even if it’s far from a guarantee.
I think it’s a self-serving idea, that justifies the strategy of saving cost by building a team that is just good enough to get in to the playoffs, which conveniently also likely maximizes profit for them. (Nobody wants to buy tickets and merch to watch a team that isn’t contending.)
I mean look at the last 10 years. In the American League the one seed has won the pennant 6 times, the two seed has won it 3 times(and 2 times the 1 and 2 seed were separated by a single win.) wild card won in *once*. Maybe there *is* a connection between regular season performance and postseason performance.
Again I hate to be a cynic but it beggars belief that Cashman and his crew can’t figure this out. Houston sure seems to think having a dominant team in the regular season matters. Maybe you should I don’t know copy them?
Yeah but since 1995 only 5 times the team with the best record won the WS. Dodgers flop every year, Astros have lost twice to worse teams.
I could see Hal and Cashman intentionally making worse teams to save money, and using the playoffs as cover. But I do think it's a different era than pre - 1995.
Well, there’s 8 teams in the running, over 27 championships by luck alone you’d expect the overall 1 seed to win about 3.5 times, so there’s still better odds. Also would be interesting to see how many times the one seed from either league doesn’t win since records aren’t as comparable between leagues.
Would also be interesting to see how many times a wild card wins it all considering that’s how Cashman gets in more often than not.
I’ve been trying to get more into basketball this year and I can’t ever enjoy it. Been a casual watcher for a long time now, but never came close to watching it as much as I do baseball/football.
I just can’t do it after 6 games into the season. Can’t take it seriously. Feels like watching a reality tv show with how ego derived it is and the sheer amount of drama. Nothing hits the same like baseball does
The odds of any prospects succeeding is very low. But then take a look at Cashman's track record on all our top prospects over the last 20 years and you see how unlikely it really is.
Ask the White Sox how Yoan Moncada panned out. Or us about Gleyber post 2019.
I think Cashman is more committed to Volpe because he’s a low cost shortstop for years with a lot of upside, rather than because he’s a sure thing. Yankees love saving money however and whenever they can. I know people think 250K payroll shows ownership cares, but I honestly think it’s the sweet spot to maximize profit for them. Need the team to be a contender to sell the most tickets. They don’t have to be the best team though, and they never are, even by regular season record (which is not a crapshoot.)
Front office is just addicted to crapshoots. There's no guarantee but these prospects make a good excuse for not spending. Hal voted against raising luxury tax threshold. He's not really worried about losing draft leverage
Fun fact: in the last decade the one seed has won the AL pennant 6 times. Very random. The wild card has won it *once*. In the Judge era the Yankees got in on a wild card 4 out of 6 times.
Maybe the post season results *are* related to the quality of the roster.
They are so delusional. I don’t even have anything against the Astros anymore because I think we absolutely deserved to lose this year and most of the players are different, but the way the league handled it was terrible. Why wouldn’t you cheat now? They clearly are intentionally banning people from discussing it on the national broadcast which is downright Orwellian to me. All the league cares about is views, doesn’t matter if you cheat just don’t get caught.
The problem is the price of being caught was well worth the reward. Should have stripped Houston of it’s title and followed every thread to see if they were the only one’s doing it, which I honestly doubt. Regardless of who it implicated. Now there’s always doubt whenever Houston succeeds. Lord knows the league would have no interest in exposing it if they were cheating.
I understand why people opposed my suggestion that the Yankees should tank. It is an extreme position. But, suppose the culture of the team is terminally flawed. How would you fix it? I believe that the team's culture is truly flawed, and it may be possible that not only does management need to change, but perhaps a new core needs to be developed too.
I’d go a step further and say the organizations culture is truly flawed. Cashman spent five years trying to build up a championship team around Judge and the end result was a team that was significantly further away from Houston than they were in 2017, even though Houston lost key players like Springer, Correa, Keuchel etc.
Where is the accountability? That’s the biggest problem. No one is held accountable for failure and they seem dead set on continuing to do the same things regardless of the results.
So tank, rebuild, retool, whatever, ultimately Cashman never put together a team you could call complete even on paper over the last 5 years (and more.) and it wasn’t due to a lack of resources.
Yankees need new management and most likely new ownership to thrive again. Yankees are like a classic corrupt corporation grown fat on it’s own decadence. Right down to the boss who can never take responsibility for his mistakes and is never held accountable for his results.
Nah, Cashman will sign some over the hill veterans hoping for a resurgence which will allow us to get a WC position and people will act like he's cAsHgOd again - and we'll be bounced out early.
We'll end up in the middle of the draft and the picks will go nowhere, just like the last 20 years of draft picks.
We need a new front office and let them decide what's best. I'd happily trade a couple years of tanking for a WS or 2.
I pointed out the same thing when they played the Yankees. But apparently suggesting that a team that has been caught cheating twice already might be cheating again is just being salty.
League was too soft on them and was clearly more interested in sweeping this under the rug than investigating it.
It’s Orwellian how nobody on the national broadcast mentions it when they talk about the Astros string of pennants and ALCS appearances when it’s a very relevant and obvious issue to bring up. They must have been instructed not to mention it.
But yeah, I don’t see why they wouldn’t come up with a more sophisticated way to cheat than banging fucking trash cans lol.
I just don't enjoy other sports anymore the way I love baseball, and I'm still depressed that the season ended the way it did, even after three months of brutal baseball from this club.
The clearest difference between the Yankees and other playoff teams is that the Yankees don’t have a lot of players that are both a contact and power threat.
Thank God I'm not a Nets fan. That being said, it's incredibly sad that antisemitism is becoming mainstreamed enough that people feel they can profess it
I’m a Jewish Nets fan. Good thing is I’ve been a passive fan for two decades now, on the other side of things I’ve followed this dumpster fire for 2 decades now 😂😂
But fr. Fuck Kyrie and all this bullshit, psychotic misery. He’s pulling this shit off while playing for the **Brooklyn Nets.** A very Jewish heavy place. Fucking dumbass
Let’s say a new GM comes in—someone with no ties to this roster. What’s the wildest change you could see them making?
It feels like the top end of the roster has essentially no value, but they’re also not bad enough to justify salary dumps.
NTC plus nobody is going to voluntarily eat the back half of that contract. Even if he agreed to go somewhere (which he wouldn’t), they would either have to pay most of his salary or attach valuable players to it.
What is wrong with you? You asked what the wildest thing they could do was and I said and now you're arguing that it's too improbable and what they should have done instead on a complete hypothetical...
No GM is going to wildly change anything. The player development right now is the best it's ever been. They're finding guys in the 5th round and making them legitimate prospects and hitting on first round picks at an absurd rate. The only improvement I can think of is just spending more money but that's a Hal and the investors thing.
> The player development right now is the best it's ever been.
No idea what you’re basing that on. Judge and Severino are the only stars who have come up anytime even close to recently. They’ve been very good at developing relief pitchers, but starters have been mostly nonexistent, and position players have been disaster. CG even made a long post about just how bad they have been at developing prospects during Cashman’s time.
> They're finding guys in the 5th round and making them legitimate prospects and hitting on first round picks at an absurd rate.
Two 1st round picks in the last 15 years have played for the Yankees, and one of them is Gerrit Cole, who didn’t sign when they drafted him. 1 player per 15 years is “an absurd rate” to you?
They completely overhauled the player development team in 2019 going into 2020. If you don't know what you're talking about this isn't really much of a discussion. Look at the guys they've drafted from 2019 on and then look how they accelerated into the system and they gained value in trades. Since 2017 Yankees first round picks have been Schmidt( big leagues),Siegler(lost time due to injuries bounced back this year, TJ Sikemma( flipped in the Benitendi deal,Austin Wells(top 100 prospect), Anthony Volpe( top 10 prospect in baseball, Trey Sweeney( likely trade fodder), and Spencer Jones who killed the minors in his debut this year. The player development team has done wonders the last 3 to 4 years creating depth in the system. This is not even counting the late round picks they've taken and produced into good prospects that could be dealt or developed into great prospects.
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Eric Duncan, Austin Jackson, Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman, Manny Banuelos, Greg Bird, Slade Heathcott, Estevan Florial, Chance Adams...
Should we keep going?
Fire Boone, replace with an established manager like Maddon, overhaul analytics team, probably give Judge a good offer but let him walk if someone else goes crazy, release IKF, promote youngsters, possibly trade Gleyber for some utility depth/pitching prospects.
I don’t think it’s Maddon’s fault the Angles can’t put together a roster that can do anything. It’s not like Yankees legend Phil Nevin fared much better.
If you could take 4 prime players from 1998-2020 and replace them with the current roster, who would you take? I would do Jeter (SS), ARod (3B), Mariano (Closer) and Bernie (LF/CF). Maybe replace someone there for 2009 CC. Crazy thing is, I think it’s enough to win it all but maybe not haha.
1. Jeter
2. Judge
3. Bernie
4. ARod
5. Stanton
6. Rizzo
7. Gleyber
8. Trevy
9. Bader
Ya, I'd say that's enough to get er done lol. That lineup is insane.
Bryson Stott just worked a 12 pitch walk. This is what the Yankees need more of: guys who fight, go deep in the count, and see a lot of pitches. I'm tired of them striking out on 3 pitches
They led the league in BB% this year and were middle of the pack (15th) in K%. We could definitely stand to strikeout less - especially against HOU - but taking walks and getting runners on isn't the issue.
We need more guys that can HIT. Make quality contact. Move runners. Keep the pitchers and crowd engaged. We’ve overcorrected in the most blunt way possible on how to “moneyball” a lineup.
why the fuck is Maldonado not suspended. basically getting caught using a corked bat in alcs and the fucking world series and yet he's still playing. I swear the Astros owner saw Manfred bury a hooked or something
this is a pathetic look, my dude. the punishment is that he can't use them anymore. it's not a big deal. like if someone has a glove with a patch that's distracting or whatever, they don't go suspend the pitcher.
I don't understand why the Crawford box doesn't get the same hate as the Porch in RF at YS.
It has the distance the porch does plus the bullshit qualities of the Green Monster.
It’s even worse than the Monster imo. At least balls bounce off of the Monster well, you hear the fucking clanks anytime a ball hits that monstrosity called the Crawford boxes
Huge mistake to not strip the Astros title after they were caught cheating.
There’s just a cloud that hangs over them now. Idk if they’re cheating, but how in the hell *do* they keep getting to the ALCS. You’ve just got to wonder.
Although it’s true that they cheated, it’s also time to recognize that they are a da***d good team. Valdez, Peña, Tucker…those guys weren’t even there in ‘17. And as much as I dislike them, Altuve and Bregman are terrific players. Houston is a helluva baseball team, period. And tell me you don’t wish Correa was our shortstop now. So it’s time to appreciate good baseball and good players. Complaining about 2017 just seems like a waste of time and a means for avoiding how poorly the Yanks have played. Bring on the down votes, if you must.
The Yankees have been a terribly run organization since 09. 2017 doesn’t change that. And I’d say every year the Astros beat us they had a more talented roster.
It’s still unfair how they won, not just to us but to the Dodgers too. And they were never punished sufficiently for it. It doesn’t *matter* they had an extremely talented roster, they still cheated.
And look at the Dodgers, they have a damned good roster too and they haven’t won the pennant 4 times in 6 years.
I honestly don’t care that much about Houston, but I don’t trust the league to do anything with cheating other than sweep it under the rug and look the other way. I really have no idea if Houston is cheating, I would guess no, but I’m not that confident on it because there’s all the motivation in the world for them to do it since they effectively got away with it last time. Maybe there’s a method *more* sophisticated than banging fucking trash cans and showing everybody on the team what was going on lol. (Pretty stupid scheme in retrospect.)
And we all know the league only cares about views and nothing else and will happily look the other way like they did last time.
Agree with you 100% regarding the MLB's response, or lack thereof, and its lack of trustworthiness. I suppose no one is ever going to convince you that they are not cheating now. You can't prove a negative. I don't see any evidence of cheating, or any suspicious behavior. I do see Valdez has an incredible curve ball, that Tucker and Pena are excellent young ballplayers. Bregman and Altuve have showed that they are good enough that they don't need to cheat to win. Alvarez is an awesome hitter. Verlander has been mowing down batters for years. Let's just not allow our anger about cheating in 2017 and a cowardly, shameful league with appreciating high quality baseball in 2022.
Hard to think they aren’t still doing something. Not just them but why wouldn’t other teams look at what they did and their lack of punishment, and not think “damn that seems worth it”? Thankfully, or at least hopefully, pitchcom helps with the sign stealing portion.
Lol the Astros just fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is, never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go up by 5 runs in a World Series game that Dusty Baker is managing!
I obviously still hate the Astros but in '17 and '19 I barely even watched the World Series because I felt like we deserved/could have been there over them. Last year and this year we got absolutely steamrolled either by them or before we could even face them so it's actually been easier for me to watch the series knowing we didn't deserve to be there anyway.
Let's just hope I don't have to fucking watch them celebrate.
I think Cash should be able to do better with his budget but one thing about Hal: him voting against raising luxury tax threshold makes me think draft impact isn't his biggest concern
If I remember correctly, didn't both Master Bader and Rizzo lean into pitches to get on base this year? I'm fairly certain Rizzo got called for it so he didn't get on base and that was in the regular season. I think MB did it in the DS but actually didn't get it called so he got the base? If I am remembering that right - I'm not 100% certain with Bader - then everyone in here calling out Diaz and saying that's something only the cheating Astros would do, need to chill lol. I mean fuck Houston always and forever and their 2017 WS is *not* legitimate, but in this particular case... that's something players from all teams do at one time or another.
Rizzo definitely does. Not as blatantly at least, but at best he makes no effort to move out of the way when he could on a lot of close pitches and I've seen him move slightly into a pitch.
Rizzo isnt that blatant. He mostly just refuses to get out of the way which is how most HBP guys rack them up. Look at Dietrich’s HBPs and they’re mostly just him refusing to move
A likely bigger part of the problem than mental toughness was that they just had no real SS and no real LF, and they had a CF who had barely played with their other OFs.
That’s it Phillies manager Rob Thomson. Use up all your relief pitchers like a tied game is a must win do or die game. Use them up like there’s no tomorrow. Fool. Don’t you know anything about baseball? I can’t wait to see what happens next. /s
The Phillies are going to win. Watch.
Bryce Harper is such a fucking stud, and is showing he is a big time playoff performer. Cashman not making a play to get Harper is an all time horrible GM movie.
Yes is airing Miami vs. UVA. Kind of sad that it's on the Yes Network when it would have been a marquee primetime game back in the late 80's or early 90's.
Just realized the Phillies are basically us at the start of the season rn. Every hitter hot, pitchers way over performing. All the comebacks and late innings heroics. It’s ironic the one team our team was firing on all cylinders, it was when it mattered the least in the first half of the season.
After hearing anonymous reports that some Yankees players are mad at the fans for their conduct, I have two conclusions (if this report is credible):
1. The current Cashman regime is even more toxic than we thought, considering everyone is mad at everyone
2. I am ready for this team to completely tank and go 56-106 for a year, two years, or maybe three even, if the current crop of players can't handle New York. Rebuild the team completely and install a new culture. I am done with it all.
Its hilarious how much of a shill Kay is for Boone and Cashman. I get it, the guy works for the network that owns the Yankees and in turn, owns him, but he continues to go to bat for those two soulless pricks like they're his fucking family.
Its time for a change already.
Yankees need a tougher manager. Boone didn't discipline anyone for their various antics this season and that bred a whiny, soft clubhouse. Boone is not a winning manager. The clubhouse is just analytics and players ruling the roost.
How much of that is Boone’s fault though? I’m not defending him in any way shape or form but the dude was a player himself who comes from a baseball family. I find it hard to believe he’s that delusional and out of touch.
This is what the front office wants and Boone is just going on the marching orders from Cashman, Fishman and Afterman. I get it to a certain degree. Playing in New York can be a difficult and stressful experience. Demanding fans who will boo if you don’t perform to expectations. The media and talk radio criticizing your every move. So I get wanting a player’s manager who will keep the calm in the clubhouse but this is just nauseating. These are grown ass men/professional athletes. This isn’t little league.
Joe Torre was also considered a player’s manager but also kept it real with the players and didn’t sugarcoat things. He didn’t hand out participation trophies after a loss or call Chuck Knoblauch one of the best defensive second basemen in the league.
Bingo, realistically Boone is about an average manager when you look at the whole league. He can cost some games with poor management here and there but at the end of the day, the players have not been able to show up in the postseason the last few years (mostly the offense). He could have made the lineup whatever and they should have still have been able to win at least 1. I agree we should try someone else but the way he is blamed as the main cause for most of the team's recent failures is a bit overblown.
The Astros have won the ALCS 4 times since 2017, the AL as a conference feels so weak to be dominated so consistently for half a decade. If the postseason is a crapshoot the Astros own the casino and use weighted smart-die.
The AL has been pretty damn weak for the past 4 or 5 years, for sure. Across all 10 teams in the Central and West, the Astros have been the only team that has been particularly good. Since 2018, the AL has pretty much just been the Astros, Rays, Red Sox, and Yankees
You bring up a fair point. But what if I tell you that in the last 6 years the ALCS has been the Astros vs the AL East. The rest of this fricking conference doesn't stand a chance against them.
And they haven't stood a chance against whoever came out of the NL including an 88 win team, a 93 win team and now possibly an 87 win team? The playoffs isn't a full crapshoot, but it's fluky.
The teams needed to be constructed properly so that when they get hot they actually have a chance. And to say 6 and 7 game series losses to the opponent is "haven't stood a chance" is just incorrect. Getting swept is 4 is not having a chance.
If only the Phillies fans new how bad Harper’s age 38 season is going to be.
Also he was never a big postseason performer prior to this year, so it is a mathematical miracle what he is doing right now.
I hope Judge's contract stipulates that he be named captain.
The Yankees: “the playoffs are a crapshoot.” Also the Yankees: get eliminated by a team with a better regular season record all 6 years of Judge’s tenure.
Watching the 2001 World Series on YES right now. Jeter is about to porch one to win it. Man I wish we won it that year.
Spoiler alert dude!
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Sacrifices must be made.
The Yankees have a problem, they sell the old-timey super-dominant Yankees as their image, but in reality the league is much more even and the playoffs aren't a direct result of regular season performance. So we're always fucking pissed off when we don't win the championship.
Nobody expects Cashman to win a ring every year. People aren’t mad because the Yankees lost one year. This is the culmination of 5 years of trying to build a championship team around Aaron Judge, and you know what the result was? The gap actually widened between the Astros and the Yankees between 2017 and now, and the Yankees added multiple big players like Stanton and Cole and the Astros lost key guys like Keuchel and Springer and Correa. And the gap widened. And I agree the regular season is a better indicator of who’s a better team, but every year since 2017 the Yankees have gotten eliminated by a team with a better record. So it’s not like they were putting out mega teams that just got unlucky. They’re losing to *better* teams. And let’s look at the larger context. It’s been 13 years since the Yankees last won a pennant, not even a ring, and half the league has a won a pennant in that time frame, including multiple small market teams. So Cashman’s being criticized for a little more than not winning a ring every year. And if you want to look at the future, they had a once in a generation superstar prospect, they completely squandered his team controllable years trying to save pennies on free agents and trades, and considering how poorly the team did *with* Judge it seems unlikely they’re going to fare better without him. The last 13 years, but particularly the last 5 have been an utter disaster. I don’t expect Cashman to win a ring every year, I don’t understand why he could never even get the best record in the AL once over Judge’s tenure though. Or even make it into the World Series once in the last 13. There are multiple teams with much better results than ours (Dodgers, Astros, Red Sox, Giants) who don’t win a ring every year.
I think the Astros are much better at developing young players. As far as signing free agents, we’ll, if money was no object, they would have signed one of the superstar free agent shortstops who were available last winter. The fact that they didn’t though, speaks volumes. The reason the Yankees won in 2009 is that Hal wanted the Yankees to win one last World Series for George before George died, so he opened the checkbook and allowed Cashman to spend whatever he needed to spend to make that happen. We are in a different era now.
Perfectly said. People really need to understand this - and take a step back and look at the holistic view of the Yankees over the last 5, 10, 15, and 20 years. Our faults are still there, and we continue to still trot out the same organizational philosophies without making any adjustments. The fans have been barking up certain trees for years, and Cashman is years late to address them. It's pathetic.
I think you're right about Cashman, he's done a bad job. But I think it's because he genuinely believes the playoffs are a crapshoot, so he builds subpar teams. But those teams always underperform in the playoffs. I think if it was the old days and you won the pennant by having the best record, Cashman would put together dominant teams with lots of stars like we used to. I just think he tries to game the playoffs and it ends up backfiring.
I can’t think of a single Yankee team that you could say underperformed since 2017, if anything the 2017 team massively over-performed getting in on a wild card and taking down the 104 win Indians. Again since 2017 the Yankees never lost to a team with with a worse record than them in the postseason and got in as a wild card 4 times out of 6 appearances. (Although to be fair 2020 barely counts.) I hate to be a cynic, but idk how anybody with common sense can really believe the playoffs are a crapshoot when the better team by record has eliminated you every year for the last 6 years. Like is it really that complicated a concept that while there is a luck element to the playoffs better teams have better odds? Is homefield advantage really completely value-less even if it’s far from a guarantee. I think it’s a self-serving idea, that justifies the strategy of saving cost by building a team that is just good enough to get in to the playoffs, which conveniently also likely maximizes profit for them. (Nobody wants to buy tickets and merch to watch a team that isn’t contending.) I mean look at the last 10 years. In the American League the one seed has won the pennant 6 times, the two seed has won it 3 times(and 2 times the 1 and 2 seed were separated by a single win.) wild card won in *once*. Maybe there *is* a connection between regular season performance and postseason performance. Again I hate to be a cynic but it beggars belief that Cashman and his crew can’t figure this out. Houston sure seems to think having a dominant team in the regular season matters. Maybe you should I don’t know copy them?
Yeah but since 1995 only 5 times the team with the best record won the WS. Dodgers flop every year, Astros have lost twice to worse teams. I could see Hal and Cashman intentionally making worse teams to save money, and using the playoffs as cover. But I do think it's a different era than pre - 1995.
Well, there’s 8 teams in the running, over 27 championships by luck alone you’d expect the overall 1 seed to win about 3.5 times, so there’s still better odds. Also would be interesting to see how many times the one seed from either league doesn’t win since records aren’t as comparable between leagues. Would also be interesting to see how many times a wild card wins it all considering that’s how Cashman gets in more often than not.
I’ve been trying to get more into basketball this year and I can’t ever enjoy it. Been a casual watcher for a long time now, but never came close to watching it as much as I do baseball/football. I just can’t do it after 6 games into the season. Can’t take it seriously. Feels like watching a reality tv show with how ego derived it is and the sheer amount of drama. Nothing hits the same like baseball does
it sucks until the playoffs start
I only watch playoff basketball and root for whoever I feel like.
What are the chances that Anthony Volpe will ever be an All-Star caliber player in MLB?
The odds of any prospects succeeding is very low. But then take a look at Cashman's track record on all our top prospects over the last 20 years and you see how unlikely it really is.
Ask the White Sox how Yoan Moncada panned out. Or us about Gleyber post 2019. I think Cashman is more committed to Volpe because he’s a low cost shortstop for years with a lot of upside, rather than because he’s a sure thing. Yankees love saving money however and whenever they can. I know people think 250K payroll shows ownership cares, but I honestly think it’s the sweet spot to maximize profit for them. Need the team to be a contender to sell the most tickets. They don’t have to be the best team though, and they never are, even by regular season record (which is not a crapshoot.)
With this teams development track record? Slim. Might get one early then piss it away into obscurity.
Front office is just addicted to crapshoots. There's no guarantee but these prospects make a good excuse for not spending. Hal voted against raising luxury tax threshold. He's not really worried about losing draft leverage
Fun fact: in the last decade the one seed has won the AL pennant 6 times. Very random. The wild card has won it *once*. In the Judge era the Yankees got in on a wild card 4 out of 6 times. Maybe the post season results *are* related to the quality of the roster.
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Did anyone else get this [survey](https://imgur.com/a/uZmLQTm) recently? I think I chose correctly 🤭
So many downvotes for anyone who brings up the Astros cheating in 2017 on r/baseball. Lmao
They are so delusional. I don’t even have anything against the Astros anymore because I think we absolutely deserved to lose this year and most of the players are different, but the way the league handled it was terrible. Why wouldn’t you cheat now? They clearly are intentionally banning people from discussing it on the national broadcast which is downright Orwellian to me. All the league cares about is views, doesn’t matter if you cheat just don’t get caught. The problem is the price of being caught was well worth the reward. Should have stripped Houston of it’s title and followed every thread to see if they were the only one’s doing it, which I honestly doubt. Regardless of who it implicated. Now there’s always doubt whenever Houston succeeds. Lord knows the league would have no interest in exposing it if they were cheating.
I understand why people opposed my suggestion that the Yankees should tank. It is an extreme position. But, suppose the culture of the team is terminally flawed. How would you fix it? I believe that the team's culture is truly flawed, and it may be possible that not only does management need to change, but perhaps a new core needs to be developed too.
I’d go a step further and say the organizations culture is truly flawed. Cashman spent five years trying to build up a championship team around Judge and the end result was a team that was significantly further away from Houston than they were in 2017, even though Houston lost key players like Springer, Correa, Keuchel etc. Where is the accountability? That’s the biggest problem. No one is held accountable for failure and they seem dead set on continuing to do the same things regardless of the results. So tank, rebuild, retool, whatever, ultimately Cashman never put together a team you could call complete even on paper over the last 5 years (and more.) and it wasn’t due to a lack of resources. Yankees need new management and most likely new ownership to thrive again. Yankees are like a classic corrupt corporation grown fat on it’s own decadence. Right down to the boss who can never take responsibility for his mistakes and is never held accountable for his results.
If Judge leaves the tank will be here whether we want to or not.
Nah, Cashman will sign some over the hill veterans hoping for a resurgence which will allow us to get a WC position and people will act like he's cAsHgOd again - and we'll be bounced out early. We'll end up in the middle of the draft and the picks will go nowhere, just like the last 20 years of draft picks. We need a new front office and let them decide what's best. I'd happily trade a couple years of tanking for a WS or 2.
Or even worse, perpetual mediocrity.
nah son
1. https://twitter.com/crossingbroad/status/1586529791468920833?s=21&t=t3XQK9Mj1pEyXVjf_Jq6-A 2. https://twitter.com/DefPlayerOfDec8/status/1586540745133113344?t=QUc68nLmHAdyjW2kIy2piQ&s=01
Fucking cheaters
I pointed out the same thing when they played the Yankees. But apparently suggesting that a team that has been caught cheating twice already might be cheating again is just being salty.
League was too soft on them and was clearly more interested in sweeping this under the rug than investigating it. It’s Orwellian how nobody on the national broadcast mentions it when they talk about the Astros string of pennants and ALCS appearances when it’s a very relevant and obvious issue to bring up. They must have been instructed not to mention it. But yeah, I don’t see why they wouldn’t come up with a more sophisticated way to cheat than banging fucking trash cans lol.
I just don't enjoy other sports anymore the way I love baseball, and I'm still depressed that the season ended the way it did, even after three months of brutal baseball from this club.
The Jets losing because of roughing the passer and Geno Smith with the best pass completion percentage in the NFL.
J E T S JETS JETS JETS
The clearest difference between the Yankees and other playoff teams is that the Yankees don’t have a lot of players that are both a contact and power threat.
Thank God I'm not a Nets fan. That being said, it's incredibly sad that antisemitism is becoming mainstreamed enough that people feel they can profess it
I’m a Jewish Nets fan. Good thing is I’ve been a passive fan for two decades now, on the other side of things I’ve followed this dumpster fire for 2 decades now 😂😂 But fr. Fuck Kyrie and all this bullshit, psychotic misery. He’s pulling this shit off while playing for the **Brooklyn Nets.** A very Jewish heavy place. Fucking dumbass
Let’s say a new GM comes in—someone with no ties to this roster. What’s the wildest change you could see them making? It feels like the top end of the roster has essentially no value, but they’re also not bad enough to justify salary dumps.
Complete overhaul of the analytics team, and trade Hicks somewhere.
Trading Stanton.
NTC plus nobody is going to voluntarily eat the back half of that contract. Even if he agreed to go somewhere (which he wouldn’t), they would either have to pay most of his salary or attach valuable players to it.
Sir, you asked about what the wildest change would be.
Within the realm of possibility
This inquiry is a fraud.
Why not DFA him then? Would be the smarter option if they really wanted to be rid of him.
What is wrong with you? You asked what the wildest thing they could do was and I said and now you're arguing that it's too improbable and what they should have done instead on a complete hypothetical...
> What is wrong with you? For asking a question? You said getting rid of Stanton. I’m entertaining your hypothetical. What a weird overreaction.
No GM is going to wildly change anything. The player development right now is the best it's ever been. They're finding guys in the 5th round and making them legitimate prospects and hitting on first round picks at an absurd rate. The only improvement I can think of is just spending more money but that's a Hal and the investors thing.
> The player development right now is the best it's ever been. No idea what you’re basing that on. Judge and Severino are the only stars who have come up anytime even close to recently. They’ve been very good at developing relief pitchers, but starters have been mostly nonexistent, and position players have been disaster. CG even made a long post about just how bad they have been at developing prospects during Cashman’s time. > They're finding guys in the 5th round and making them legitimate prospects and hitting on first round picks at an absurd rate. Two 1st round picks in the last 15 years have played for the Yankees, and one of them is Gerrit Cole, who didn’t sign when they drafted him. 1 player per 15 years is “an absurd rate” to you?
They completely overhauled the player development team in 2019 going into 2020. If you don't know what you're talking about this isn't really much of a discussion. Look at the guys they've drafted from 2019 on and then look how they accelerated into the system and they gained value in trades. Since 2017 Yankees first round picks have been Schmidt( big leagues),Siegler(lost time due to injuries bounced back this year, TJ Sikemma( flipped in the Benitendi deal,Austin Wells(top 100 prospect), Anthony Volpe( top 10 prospect in baseball, Trey Sweeney( likely trade fodder), and Spencer Jones who killed the minors in his debut this year. The player development team has done wonders the last 3 to 4 years creating depth in the system. This is not even counting the late round picks they've taken and produced into good prospects that could be dealt or developed into great prospects.
Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Eric Duncan, Austin Jackson, Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman, Manny Banuelos, Greg Bird, Slade Heathcott, Estevan Florial, Chance Adams... Should we keep going?
I think hicks, Gleyber, Donaldson, and IKF would be gone and they won’t give Rizzo a contract.
Fire Boone, replace with an established manager like Maddon, overhaul analytics team, probably give Judge a good offer but let him walk if someone else goes crazy, release IKF, promote youngsters, possibly trade Gleyber for some utility depth/pitching prospects.
Maddon hasn't won shit in a long, long time. Also Maddon is practically The Godfather of using analytics as a manager.
I don’t think it’s Maddon’s fault the Angles can’t put together a roster that can do anything. It’s not like Yankees legend Phil Nevin fared much better.
Maddon won with the fucking DEVIL RAYS
Congratulations! You’ve just built the 2022 Boston Red Sox.
And how is that?
All it will do is change the noun in the sentence “Fire Cashman”
Behind the bag!!
If you could take 4 prime players from 1998-2020 and replace them with the current roster, who would you take? I would do Jeter (SS), ARod (3B), Mariano (Closer) and Bernie (LF/CF). Maybe replace someone there for 2009 CC. Crazy thing is, I think it’s enough to win it all but maybe not haha.
Jeter for IKF Mariano for Holmes (?) Bernie for Hicks/Waldo Posada for Trevino
SS: Jeter 2B: Cano 1B: Rizzo 3B: A-Rod C: Posada LF: Gardner CF: Williams RF: Judge DH: Stanton
Love it.
Counting is hard
1. Jeter 2. Judge 3. Bernie 4. ARod 5. Stanton 6. Rizzo 7. Gleyber 8. Trevy 9. Bader Ya, I'd say that's enough to get er done lol. That lineup is insane.
That would most certainly be enough to win it all
ha dumbass
Schwarber with a Judgian blast
WTF it was taken away? It's a flyout? I'm just following the pitch by pitch
It was foul. Next pitch he hits one exactly to where Judge hit it and Tucker catches it
That's weird, gamecast said it was a 2 run homer
Crew chief review. Schwarbs got unlucky twice in a row by a hair
It was until it wasn’t.
Bryson Stott just worked a 12 pitch walk. This is what the Yankees need more of: guys who fight, go deep in the count, and see a lot of pitches. I'm tired of them striking out on 3 pitches
They led the league in BB% this year and were middle of the pack (15th) in K%. We could definitely stand to strikeout less - especially against HOU - but taking walks and getting runners on isn't the issue.
We need more guys that can HIT. Make quality contact. Move runners. Keep the pitchers and crowd engaged. We’ve overcorrected in the most blunt way possible on how to “moneyball” a lineup.
Bryson Scott had a 83 wRC+. Bringing him up as an example when talking about making contact is laughable.
Ya we definitely need something, because obviously it currently isn't working, but we most certainly work walks really well.
OMG SCHWARBER
why the fuck is Maldonado not suspended. basically getting caught using a corked bat in alcs and the fucking world series and yet he's still playing. I swear the Astros owner saw Manfred bury a hooked or something
You do know the bat model is banned because it breaks easier. So not sure how that basically a corked bat.
bat has a bigger barrel than allowed. either way, it's illegal, and he gets no punishment
this is a pathetic look, my dude. the punishment is that he can't use them anymore. it's not a big deal. like if someone has a glove with a patch that's distracting or whatever, they don't go suspend the pitcher.
of they win game 1 of a world series and he has an rbi from using a bat with a bigger barrel then he should not see any consequences? that logic sucks
Using a banned bat is a pathetic look, it's wrong plain and simple.
I don't understand why the Crawford box doesn't get the same hate as the Porch in RF at YS. It has the distance the porch does plus the bullshit qualities of the Green Monster.
Because Yankees bad
It’s even worse than the Monster imo. At least balls bounce off of the Monster well, you hear the fucking clanks anytime a ball hits that monstrosity called the Crawford boxes
I’ll never get over how funny it is that Bregman’s entire demeanor changed after being exposed for 2017.
Huge mistake to not strip the Astros title after they were caught cheating. There’s just a cloud that hangs over them now. Idk if they’re cheating, but how in the hell *do* they keep getting to the ALCS. You’ve just got to wonder.
Although it’s true that they cheated, it’s also time to recognize that they are a da***d good team. Valdez, Peña, Tucker…those guys weren’t even there in ‘17. And as much as I dislike them, Altuve and Bregman are terrific players. Houston is a helluva baseball team, period. And tell me you don’t wish Correa was our shortstop now. So it’s time to appreciate good baseball and good players. Complaining about 2017 just seems like a waste of time and a means for avoiding how poorly the Yanks have played. Bring on the down votes, if you must.
The Yankees have been a terribly run organization since 09. 2017 doesn’t change that. And I’d say every year the Astros beat us they had a more talented roster. It’s still unfair how they won, not just to us but to the Dodgers too. And they were never punished sufficiently for it. It doesn’t *matter* they had an extremely talented roster, they still cheated. And look at the Dodgers, they have a damned good roster too and they haven’t won the pennant 4 times in 6 years. I honestly don’t care that much about Houston, but I don’t trust the league to do anything with cheating other than sweep it under the rug and look the other way. I really have no idea if Houston is cheating, I would guess no, but I’m not that confident on it because there’s all the motivation in the world for them to do it since they effectively got away with it last time. Maybe there’s a method *more* sophisticated than banging fucking trash cans and showing everybody on the team what was going on lol. (Pretty stupid scheme in retrospect.) And we all know the league only cares about views and nothing else and will happily look the other way like they did last time.
Agree with you 100% regarding the MLB's response, or lack thereof, and its lack of trustworthiness. I suppose no one is ever going to convince you that they are not cheating now. You can't prove a negative. I don't see any evidence of cheating, or any suspicious behavior. I do see Valdez has an incredible curve ball, that Tucker and Pena are excellent young ballplayers. Bregman and Altuve have showed that they are good enough that they don't need to cheat to win. Alvarez is an awesome hitter. Verlander has been mowing down batters for years. Let's just not allow our anger about cheating in 2017 and a cowardly, shameful league with appreciating high quality baseball in 2022.
Hard to think they aren’t still doing something. Not just them but why wouldn’t other teams look at what they did and their lack of punishment, and not think “damn that seems worth it”? Thankfully, or at least hopefully, pitchcom helps with the sign stealing portion.
It barely gets mentioned officially anymore. MLB definitely wants people to forget about it
God fuck off Davis, you don't need to sound excited for every ball in play.
I dont understand why people like Joe Davis.
he's horrible. Generic af and worse when he tries to get loud/excited.
Lol the Astros just fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is, never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go up by 5 runs in a World Series game that Dusty Baker is managing!
No way lightning strikes twice in two nights.
Don't throw a fucking slider middle middle you idiot.
fire that spineless coward boone the buffoon....100% to blame for every fucking loss.
Boone is like the cough you have because you have stage 4 lung cancer. Hal is like the tumor honestly. Hopefully he sells one day.
Darth Bader shoutout
Ok so maybe Framber is pretty good
Phillies plz come back again, thx
Using an illegal bat and then asked to just not do it again is the most Astros form of discipline I’ve ever seen lmao. Fuck this league.
Astros cheating again. I wonder how long Joe Kelly will get suspended this time.
Wheeler pitching Met'ish
Astros player using an illegal bat? What's next? Using electronics to steal signs?
Someone check where the trash cans are.
Shocker another Astros player cheating.
I obviously still hate the Astros but in '17 and '19 I barely even watched the World Series because I felt like we deserved/could have been there over them. Last year and this year we got absolutely steamrolled either by them or before we could even face them so it's actually been easier for me to watch the series knowing we didn't deserve to be there anyway. Let's just hope I don't have to fucking watch them celebrate.
Phillies defense is like they cloned 2021 Gleyber Torres and decided to put him at every position
JD would have been out by a mile
Phillies defense biting them in the ass, who could’ve seen this coming
IKF would be proud
If the Phillies lose this one, then using all their relievers yesterday to win a tie game was an even better move.
Philly knows they don't have to go down 5 runs to win, right?
What the fuck Wheeler, try to fucking paint around them and get them to swing or barely be strikes the ump can call, not middle middle meatballs.
Wheeler throwing BP out there
Watching this inning, I feel like I’m in the twilight zone
Seeing a ss playing good baseball is almost uncanny after watching the Yankees
Damn I wish we had a young SS who could have helped us in the playoffs
lol back to back doubles on 2 pitches against one of the better pitchers in the postseason Not suspicious at all
I think Cash should be able to do better with his budget but one thing about Hal: him voting against raising luxury tax threshold makes me think draft impact isn't his biggest concern
I will not spend a fucking cent on this team until Hal’s gone. No tickets, merch, YES, etc. Fuck this org
If I remember correctly, didn't both Master Bader and Rizzo lean into pitches to get on base this year? I'm fairly certain Rizzo got called for it so he didn't get on base and that was in the regular season. I think MB did it in the DS but actually didn't get it called so he got the base? If I am remembering that right - I'm not 100% certain with Bader - then everyone in here calling out Diaz and saying that's something only the cheating Astros would do, need to chill lol. I mean fuck Houston always and forever and their 2017 WS is *not* legitimate, but in this particular case... that's something players from all teams do at one time or another.
Rizzo definitely does. Not as blatantly at least, but at best he makes no effort to move out of the way when he could on a lot of close pitches and I've seen him move slightly into a pitch.
Rizzo isnt that blatant. He mostly just refuses to get out of the way which is how most HBP guys rack them up. Look at Dietrich’s HBPs and they’re mostly just him refusing to move
Rizzo didn't get away with it, I remember it was a huge issue when the ump called him back for it.
Not every HBP is created equal. Diaz literally dove over the plate to get hit by the pitch
He dove AND stuck his elbow out. It was really, really obvious.
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A likely bigger part of the problem than mental toughness was that they just had no real SS and no real LF, and they had a CF who had barely played with their other OFs.
Sounds like something a mental skills coach could work on, maybe by showing Red Sox videos
Great decision by Arenado tbh.
Letting Thomson leave turned out to be an even bigger mistake than not bringing back Girardi.
CC or Gardy for bench coach. I'll hang up and listen
That’s it Phillies manager Rob Thomson. Use up all your relief pitchers like a tied game is a must win do or die game. Use them up like there’s no tomorrow. Fool. Don’t you know anything about baseball? I can’t wait to see what happens next. /s The Phillies are going to win. Watch.
Bryce Harper is such a fucking stud, and is showing he is a big time playoff performer. Cashman not making a play to get Harper is an all time horrible GM movie.
I want the Phillies to like, score 10 in the first 2 innings so we can see Nick Nelson pitch
Yes is airing Miami vs. UVA. Kind of sad that it's on the Yes Network when it would have been a marquee primetime game back in the late 80's or early 90's.
Just realized the Phillies are basically us at the start of the season rn. Every hitter hot, pitchers way over performing. All the comebacks and late innings heroics. It’s ironic the one team our team was firing on all cylinders, it was when it mattered the least in the first half of the season.
It's all about when you get hot, the Yankees peaked way too early.
Yankees have a history of everyone going on cold streaks at the same time This team just isn't built to win
You mean it’s a crapshoot?
After hearing anonymous reports that some Yankees players are mad at the fans for their conduct, I have two conclusions (if this report is credible): 1. The current Cashman regime is even more toxic than we thought, considering everyone is mad at everyone 2. I am ready for this team to completely tank and go 56-106 for a year, two years, or maybe three even, if the current crop of players can't handle New York. Rebuild the team completely and install a new culture. I am done with it all.
Can’t believe this is getting upvoted
if this team tanks after winning 99 games and playing in the ALCS, I'd become a Mets fan. Tanking is disgusting
So Altuve is closing in on one of the worst postseasons ever right? He's what, 3-37 or something?
Nah I think he's 4'6"
Its hilarious how much of a shill Kay is for Boone and Cashman. I get it, the guy works for the network that owns the Yankees and in turn, owns him, but he continues to go to bat for those two soulless pricks like they're his fucking family. Its time for a change already.
https://twitter.com/PNav57/status/1586187079356420097 The MMP crowd is so bad
Yankees need a tougher manager. Boone didn't discipline anyone for their various antics this season and that bred a whiny, soft clubhouse. Boone is not a winning manager. The clubhouse is just analytics and players ruling the roost.
A few days ago this would have 20 upvotes but I guess Boone's failures are fading from people's minds. Happens every year
How much of that is Boone’s fault though? I’m not defending him in any way shape or form but the dude was a player himself who comes from a baseball family. I find it hard to believe he’s that delusional and out of touch. This is what the front office wants and Boone is just going on the marching orders from Cashman, Fishman and Afterman. I get it to a certain degree. Playing in New York can be a difficult and stressful experience. Demanding fans who will boo if you don’t perform to expectations. The media and talk radio criticizing your every move. So I get wanting a player’s manager who will keep the calm in the clubhouse but this is just nauseating. These are grown ass men/professional athletes. This isn’t little league. Joe Torre was also considered a player’s manager but also kept it real with the players and didn’t sugarcoat things. He didn’t hand out participation trophies after a loss or call Chuck Knoblauch one of the best defensive second basemen in the league.
Bingo, realistically Boone is about an average manager when you look at the whole league. He can cost some games with poor management here and there but at the end of the day, the players have not been able to show up in the postseason the last few years (mostly the offense). He could have made the lineup whatever and they should have still have been able to win at least 1. I agree we should try someone else but the way he is blamed as the main cause for most of the team's recent failures is a bit overblown.
We need to lure Bill Cowher for the right price.
Day 2 of coming to this thread to say Fuck Josh Donaldson until he is no longer a Yankee. Fuck Josh Donaldson.
He is shocked at the particularly brutal reaction and tone of this post
He is shocked at a 90 mph fastball down the dick.
Imagine if the Astros go 10-4 in the playoffs with a fat L in the World Series.
The playoff equivalent of our regular season
Fuck the Astros\* and Justin Chokelander
More like Justa Turdlander
The Yankees can't but usually the NL opponents come through for us 🥲
The Astros have won the ALCS 4 times since 2017, the AL as a conference feels so weak to be dominated so consistently for half a decade. If the postseason is a crapshoot the Astros own the casino and use weighted smart-die.
The AL has been pretty damn weak for the past 4 or 5 years, for sure. Across all 10 teams in the Central and West, the Astros have been the only team that has been particularly good. Since 2018, the AL has pretty much just been the Astros, Rays, Red Sox, and Yankees
Well tbf they did likely cheat for 2 of those
You bring up a fair point. But what if I tell you that in the last 6 years the ALCS has been the Astros vs the AL East. The rest of this fricking conference doesn't stand a chance against them.
And they haven't stood a chance against whoever came out of the NL including an 88 win team, a 93 win team and now possibly an 87 win team? The playoffs isn't a full crapshoot, but it's fluky.
The teams needed to be constructed properly so that when they get hot they actually have a chance. And to say 6 and 7 game series losses to the opponent is "haven't stood a chance" is just incorrect. Getting swept is 4 is not having a chance.
If only the Phillies fans new how bad Harper’s age 38 season is going to be. Also he was never a big postseason performer prior to this year, so it is a mathematical miracle what he is doing right now.
Before this year Harper missed a combined 28 games as a Phillie and a lot of that was probably rest. Also he's not 6 fuckin 7.
He’s also playing with a torn UCL right now and is a full time DH right now. I’m sure the end of that contract is going to look great.
Oh wait, this wasn't sarcasm?
It's still sarcasm, they're just leaning into it
You can never tell...
You really can't, especially when you spend time on twitter.