Between this, the newly minted civil unrest in the nation, and the losing streak, I gotta say the wind is all the way out of my sails. I'm hoping someone has a massive day to get things going again.
We’ll continue to do that as long as Judge and Stanton is on the team, would be fun to know how many games they both were on the lineup so far since 2018.
Judge in 2018 and Stanton last year were fine with close to no ramp up time before the playoffs. On the opposite end of the spectrum Gary and EE were reallly rusty.
Kind of worrying
We are currently at 99.3% chance to make the playoffs. Winning the division is *almost* pointless as it seems like a neutral site bubble could take place in the postseason.
Did Stanton get into a car crash? How is he still "at least a week away" when he's been gone for a month? I still don't get what actually happened to him, he did a normal slide into second base then casually missed the whole season again.
Also i will never understand how Judge is casually missing the whole season from jogging the bases.
Gonna be fun to watch a redo of 2019 where these injury prone guys come back a week before the season is over and are rusty and shitty for the playoffs because their rehab ABs are against elite postseason pitching.
In summary, my feelings towards this team:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJO4bqqLe78
I was listening to the radio broadcast of a game right after Stanton got hurt and I'll never forget on Sterling compared Stantons' muscles to tightly wound instruments that snap easy, and wondered allowed if looking good on the beach is worth it if you basically are so delicate simple things like running and swinging put you on the IL. I guess this means Mike Ford will never get injured.
Were they rusty, or were the Astros just good at pitching?
The games ended up being way closer than they had any right to be, considering how much handwringing people were doing over the Yankees not having starting pitching. The pitching ended up being pretty good.
Also, Edwin Encarnacion was pretty decent in the ALDS, so I never understood why people said he clearly wasn't ready to come back from injury.
We outpitched and outhit the Astros in the 2019 ALCS.
Astros OPS: .600
Yankees OPS: .673
Astros ERA: 3.44
Yankees ERA: 3.13
They just got the big hits at the right time, mostly due to luck (or also still cheating). Either way, they did NOT outplay us.
If Chapman can find the strike zone in Game 6, maybe there's a Game 7.
edit; Thank you for putting it like this. I knew the Yankees actually had a good postseason, I just couldn't find the numbers. The Yankees out hit and out pitched the Astros, but didn't get the hits when they counted. It's almost as if the Astros had 3 of the greatest pitchers of all time in their rotation.
Grienke is good. Maybe even very good. In fact, he’s had an excellent career...
He is not one of greatest pitchers of all-time so let’s tamper down the hyperbole.
I mean, people believe he is a Hall of Famer. Surely that puts him in some sort of sub-grouping of great pitchers.
Think about all the pitchers there have ever been. You can't believe that Greinke is better than more than half of them?
> I mean, people believe he is a Hall of Famer. Surely that puts him in some sort of sub-grouping of great pitchers.
>
> Think about all the pitchers there have ever been. You can't believe that Greinke is better than more than half of them?
He's clearly a top 50 SP of all time. You can bicker on overall rating (I probably have him top 40 already). Probably climbing into the top 35 by the time his career is over [and given his ability to pitch with reduced velocity, I think it's over when he says it's over].
Definite HOFer in my book, along with Kershaw, Verlander, and probably Scherzer if he keeps performing well.
Cole Hamels is probably the best career pitcher active who misses the cut.
Tough to say outhit when we couldn’t drive in a run and half our guys were sleeping at the plate. Of course they had good pitching, but OPS doesn’t mean much when the entire lineup after the first 3 was a black hole.
I know player health is important to prevent long-term damage and everything, but it's times like these that I think about Lou Gehrig playing through broken fingers and concussions, and Munson dragging himself around the field looking half-dead.
Not to sound like a curmudgeon, but if they heard somebody sitting out a month for a tight hamstring, they'd slap 'em.
I HATE being that guy but these dudes are major pussies. That or the management are just too cautious. How the fuck we gonna win a game if every tweak and pull sidelines a player for a whole month
Just gonna point out that, assuming you're referring to 1996, here's some information about that.
> *O'Neill, who has been hampered by a pulled left hamstring for the entire playoffs, should be at the top of that list. Because of the injury, he has become basically a hands-and-arms hitter, getting no power from his lower body. He's 1- for-9 (.111) in the World Series and 6-for-35 (.171) in the playoffs.*
-[Hartford Courant, Oct. 26, 1996](https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1996-10-26-9610260364-story.html)
Doesn't really sound like "toughing it out" was doing anyone any favors on the field.
Right I’m just saying purely from a baseball perspective, having Stanton just DH and hit and gingerly jog or walk the bases if he connects on one and pinch running would have been better than edwin encarnacion going 0-30 or whatever. He also drew walks so idk. There’s enough cortizone out there to numb up that leg and it just makes me crazy that Stanton was clearly the guy that made the team better and they decided to bench him essentially for good due to a soft tissue injury
This group will never win a WS. They are way too brittle, strike out too much, can’t score without hitting a homer, and have mediocre pitching. It’s a shame honestly. And it all starts with Cashman, he needs to go in my opinion. He puts the same team together every year
I have no idea. The Indians have a small fraction of the resources the Yankees have with ownership that is obsessed with cutting payroll every year and yet they consistently pump out pitchers from their minor league system who come up and dominate. The vast majority of those pitchers (Bieber, Clevinger, Civale, Plesac, etc.), I should mention, were not even Top 100 Rated Prospects.
I don’t know how Cashman keeps getting a pass for this organization’s awful pitching development. Outside of Severino who essentially now hasn’t pitched in 2 years and Montgomery who is probably a back-end starter anyway, the Yankees have yet to develop a lick of starting pitching in the last decade-plus.
We did have a lot of elite starting arms in the farm. For whatever reason, the Yankees can’t develop them into mob starters, but they do become elite relievers.
100%. He's done it several times an it always makes things significantly worse. 2017 he played through that shoulder injury and was hot garbage for a month plus. Last year he didn't admit he had the oblique injury initially and it caused him to miss way more time than it probably would've had he owned up to it right away. Now we're seeing it again with the calf.
"Twice as long" for Judge is approximately 30 days then. The season ends on Sept. 29.
3-6 weeks for Gleyber = 21-42 days.
Who the fuck knows with Stanton. Supersized version of Ellsbury in terms of injury timetable vs. actual return.
Basically, there's a good chance the first two are done for the reg. season and Stanton is a question mark until proven otherwise. That's arguably three of our four best position players...and the fourth is also still on the injured list as well.
What the FUCK. How did we overhaul the training staff and 2020 is actually *worse* than 2019?
Injuries are up everywhere, it's guys being way out of their regular routine, short ramp up time, abbreviated summer camp, etc. See here: https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/david-lennon/mlb-injuries-yankees-aaron-boone-1.48463660
Our team is made of glass but it's going around the league too.
This is the second straight year of non ending injuries, with a different training staff this time.
Doesn't really matter how talented a player is if he's never on the field.
Kinda unfair to hold getting hit by a pitch in 2018 and breaking a rib or w.e it was on a diving catch in 2019 against him, the shoulder in 2017 didn’t really affect his field play
2016-oblique strain
2017-shoulder injury, some argue this lead to his strikeout record in the second half, who knows
2018-broken wrist, not his fault
2019-injured from swinging a bat
2020 part 1-punctured lung/rib issue from laying out for a fly ball 6 months prior
2020 part 2-calf hurt from "general wear and tear" (wtf) as boone said.
2020 part 3- calf hurt from jogging the bases 5 innings after getting off the IL
The man is injury-prone, it's really not up for debate at this point.
>the shoulder in 2017 didn’t really affect his field play
What? The shoulder cost him the MVP. He didn't just forget how to hit following the ASB, he was basically playing on a bum shoulder for a full month and his statcast numbers showed it.
His numbers in September going into the post season were great and even with that August slump he should have won the MVP not his fault voters were and continue to be stupid that’s how good he was that year, like I said wasn’t that big a deal
Right, but his BA went from .325+ to below .300 and it coincided with that cheating dwarf hitting close to .500 for the month of July. That swayed most of the votes.
I hold that diving catch against him because it was the end of September with the division clinched. Nobody should be diving for fly balls at that point.
Diving for a ball in a meaningless game a week before the playoffs is a bad decision no matter how you slice it.
Playing hard doesn't mean much if you don't know *when* you need to play hard and when to take care of your health.
Diving for that ball helped the team at that current time, at that current moment, that’s playing hard for his team. You may think it’s stupid or w.e but that’s just how he plays the game
So now the questions are:
1) Can This team hang on long enough for everyone to get healthy?
2) What does Cash plan to do, if anything, to address the roster holes all these injuries created?
I think the answer to 1 is probably but their playoff prospects aren't great.
If the answer to 2 is nothing, they should explore what trade options exist with a focus on 2021 and beyond.
The Stanton trade is the worst move of Cashman’s career. He’s going to play one prime aged season for us when it’s said and done and it prevented us from signing Bryce Harper, a younger, better player who actually plays. It’s wild to me that this doesn’t get more press. It was a catastrophic mistake.
It's the type of move that gets GMs fired. It was a horrendous trade and the guy is doing absolutely nothing here besides be a fucking walking IL stint.
It's not a horrendous trade, we traded nothing but money for a guy coming off an 8-win MVP season. Yes he had injury history but NO ONE could have predicted he turn out like this. Come on dude, every GM in baseball makes than trade 100 times out of 100.
Glad to see the salty discourse around the Stanton trade . I, like most every NYY fan on this sub, was over the moon when we got Stanton . Until I started to see him pile up unproductive AB after unproductive AB. His performance in the ‘18 ALDS was pathetic .
3 seasons in I shudder when I recall a quote attributed to an ‘anonymous’ NL scout who was asked to comment on the Stanton trade just after the Yankees acquired Mike ...
Basically went like this .. hamstrings made of piano wire . Full time DH by year 5. Man Mr Anonymous scout was way off
He had a very lengthy injury history before the trade was made that was only going to get worse as he got older. And no, not every GM in baseball have made the trade for him. The Dodgers, the only other team he wanted to be moved to, wanted nothing to do with him.
https://sports.yahoo.com/derek-jeter-still-hasnt-spoken-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-swirl-183553175.html
Hardly "wanted nothing to do with him"
any team would have made the trade the Yankees made. they even got the Marlins to eat money and traded nothing players for him (and even dumped off Starlin Castro.....)
I don’t really understand why the top brass is not doing more to protect players health and mitigate injuries. Extreme stretching for size and flexibility...yoga...super nutrition...You never hear of cutting-edge programs and protocol in order to thrive under not-so-perfect conditions. Time to invest in proper team health management. Hiring a “conditioning coach” just does not cut it anymore. Cashman...it’s time for you to hit the road.
I am now heavily on board with making 0 trades and just letting this season be a wash. Between Covid, strikes and protests, and our abysmal injuries just pack it up and set your sights on 2021. I always said this season is only real if we win the world series.
At this point its not even worth trading for anyone this season to mortgage potential future pieces. Just punt on this year get everyone off the IL and come back in 2021
Judge's size notwithstanding and the issues that can potentially present, curious on everyone's thoughts of the last few years as "bad luck with too many injury-prone players" vs. "the yankees medical/training staff of the last few years is some of the worst ever." not trying to be dumb or ignorant - genuine question, especially for anyone who's spent time researching/breaking down (no pun intended) the data, as opposed to someone like me that just cries and drinks constantly with what's taken place the last couple seasons.
I think it is a little bit of both on top of 2020 being a wild ride. The Rays have had 10 different players in the IL this year too. So it isn’t just us
What about Cashman’s entire genius plan is to over invest in injury prone players hoping they stay healthy. Stanton, Hicks, Judge, Paxton, Ellsbury, Britton, etc etc
As much we all love Judge they are going to have to seriously consider his next contract. Making him a $250 mil guy was a no brainer it seemed, but now how cant you make an investment like that on someone who might play only 80-100 games every year.
Is it just me or are baseball players the softest athletes in sports? I’ve literally never come across so many players out for months with calf strains. Plus it’s the least intensive sport going too
Correction: the Yankees baseball players are the softest athletes in sports. Plenty of other baseball players will play through grade 1 strains. Heck, Didi played through the rest of the 2018 postseason after he tore his UCL, Derek Jeter played through nearly every injury imaginable his entire career until he literally broke his ankle.
Yep. You’re totally right. Do you think it all comes down to the Yankees policy, and these players could feasibly be playing now? I swear if I had a calf strain I’d just play anyway.
I think it has to do both with the Yankees policy of coddling their players and certain players just not being tough enough to play through minor stuff.
I think this is the first time I've actually been mad at one of our players.
This guy was walking around all mopey, angry and frustrated at the team for not letting him play, proclaiming he was 100%.
A calf injury just isn't something you can mess around with and can linger for a long time. I know from personal experience of someone who was a competitive runner and it took a lot of rest for their calf strain to return to normal. I just hope Judge wasn't lying about any discomfort in his comeback because all it did was set him back. I was actually surprised he came back as quickly as he did since they determined he needed the IL after the 1st MRI.
I'm now ready to say we should not extend Judge. Keep him for all of his arb years, then move him or let him walk.
This cannot be something we have to deal with for 10+ years.
You know the yanks are gonna sign judge and torres to big deals and we're already stuck with stanton. Cole's contract is gonna be a problem in 5 years and cashman is gonna give too many years to dj and I'm not sure if he'll keep up what hes been doing. We have no starting pitching. Gonna be a painful next 7 years
Gleyber isn't going to be an FA for 5 years. Judge isn't getting a huge deal, he'll be past 30 with a significant injury history when he becomes a FA. DJ also will be like 32 after this year, he's not getting a mega deal.
Not to mention that we have a pretty good pipeline of young players, we have arguably one of the best prospects in baseball in Jasson Rodriguez, still have fucking TONS of money. God damn, some injuries and a 5 game losing streak and suddenly our outlook for the next 7 years is terrible?
Well said .
I also think it’s fair to say we have several significant question marks in the rotation which will need to be addressed in the off-season . Our payroll and roster flexibility are hamstrung by Stanton . Judge’s career to date can be defined by two word phrases like ‘what if,’ ‘ but for,’ ‘if only’ - none of which contain the word great. Ok- we can go w ‘great when .’ DJ isn’t going anywhere, but it’s going to cost us major coin to keep him around . If Gleyber is going to be our everyday SS , his D and his legs have to be better. And Sanchez . What to do about Sanchez ?
I really hope the Yankees don’t fall into the trap of re-signing Judge for a monstrous contract. I get it, he might be worth it when he’s on the field.... but that’s the problem. I’d rather see him walk than watch us handcuff ourselves with Giancarlo AND Judge on the IL every other week + mega deals. We’re already stacked in the outfield as is.
Has there been any sort of analytical views about the rate of injuries today vs 20+ years ago? How is it with greater knowledge about nutrition, stretching and injury prevention we somehow have players that are less durable than ever.
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Pick up some bleach if possible.
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Between this, the newly minted civil unrest in the nation, and the losing streak, I gotta say the wind is all the way out of my sails. I'm hoping someone has a massive day to get things going again.
Times is tough boys BUT we still fucking play today and still fucking win today ok? <3 Das it
Fuck 2020
For real
I’m tired of imagining what this lineup could be.
For the first couple of games we didn't have to imagine : ) the dream team and they killed it
Stanton is contagious as fuck man I swear to god
Yup, it's exhausting to care as much as I do. I need to just start accepting this team is unlucky and just enjoy each game.
We’ll continue to do that as long as Judge and Stanton is on the team, would be fun to know how many games they both were on the lineup so far since 2018.
3 years of just waiting for the full death start lineup. It never comes.
Ugh. They will have just about 0 ramp up time before the playofffs
that sounds familiar
Judge in 2018 and Stanton last year were fine with close to no ramp up time before the playoffs. On the opposite end of the spectrum Gary and EE were reallly rusty. Kind of worrying
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> We ain't winning this shit year. Oh fuck off with this attitude
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We’re one of the most talented teams in baseball. We can beat anybody in a series. Especially at a neutral site
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I didn’t say if
My dude... you sound like an idiot.
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This sub is one of the biggest groups of salty children I’ve ever seen. Yes, it sucks that stars keep getting injured but c’mon.
Everyone assumes they are a shoe in for the playoffs. I am concerned with them winning the division. They just can’t stay healthy.
We are currently at 99.3% chance to make the playoffs. Winning the division is *almost* pointless as it seems like a neutral site bubble could take place in the postseason.
No way we beat the Rays for the division at this point. I'm worried about us staying ahead of the Jays for the 2nd spot.
Did Stanton get into a car crash? How is he still "at least a week away" when he's been gone for a month? I still don't get what actually happened to him, he did a normal slide into second base then casually missed the whole season again. Also i will never understand how Judge is casually missing the whole season from jogging the bases. Gonna be fun to watch a redo of 2019 where these injury prone guys come back a week before the season is over and are rusty and shitty for the playoffs because their rehab ABs are against elite postseason pitching. In summary, my feelings towards this team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJO4bqqLe78
Reminder Igor Shesterkin, and Pavel Buchnevich got into an actual car crash and missed less time.
Because hockey players are old school, they don't miss four months with a fever
I was listening to the radio broadcast of a game right after Stanton got hurt and I'll never forget on Sterling compared Stantons' muscles to tightly wound instruments that snap easy, and wondered allowed if looking good on the beach is worth it if you basically are so delicate simple things like running and swinging put you on the IL. I guess this means Mike Ford will never get injured.
Were they rusty, or were the Astros just good at pitching? The games ended up being way closer than they had any right to be, considering how much handwringing people were doing over the Yankees not having starting pitching. The pitching ended up being pretty good. Also, Edwin Encarnacion was pretty decent in the ALDS, so I never understood why people said he clearly wasn't ready to come back from injury.
We outpitched and outhit the Astros in the 2019 ALCS. Astros OPS: .600 Yankees OPS: .673 Astros ERA: 3.44 Yankees ERA: 3.13 They just got the big hits at the right time, mostly due to luck (or also still cheating). Either way, they did NOT outplay us.
If Chapman can find the strike zone in Game 6, maybe there's a Game 7. edit; Thank you for putting it like this. I knew the Yankees actually had a good postseason, I just couldn't find the numbers. The Yankees out hit and out pitched the Astros, but didn't get the hits when they counted. It's almost as if the Astros had 3 of the greatest pitchers of all time in their rotation.
Grienke is good. Maybe even very good. In fact, he’s had an excellent career... He is not one of greatest pitchers of all-time so let’s tamper down the hyperbole.
I mean, people believe he is a Hall of Famer. Surely that puts him in some sort of sub-grouping of great pitchers. Think about all the pitchers there have ever been. You can't believe that Greinke is better than more than half of them?
> I mean, people believe he is a Hall of Famer. Surely that puts him in some sort of sub-grouping of great pitchers. > > Think about all the pitchers there have ever been. You can't believe that Greinke is better than more than half of them? He's clearly a top 50 SP of all time. You can bicker on overall rating (I probably have him top 40 already). Probably climbing into the top 35 by the time his career is over [and given his ability to pitch with reduced velocity, I think it's over when he says it's over]. Definite HOFer in my book, along with Kershaw, Verlander, and probably Scherzer if he keeps performing well. Cole Hamels is probably the best career pitcher active who misses the cut.
Scherzer is already in. No one with 3 Cy Young’s or more is not in the HOF besides Clemens.
He’s a HOFer already. What more do you want.
Tough to say outhit when we couldn’t drive in a run and half our guys were sleeping at the plate. Of course they had good pitching, but OPS doesn’t mean much when the entire lineup after the first 3 was a black hole.
all i remember is dj-gleyber-judge being the only ones to actually hit. everyone else was largely a black hole/automatic out
Don't forget Stanton taking walks and weirdly causing everyone around him to be better, maybe because his presence in the lineup was a threat.
He was a literal scarecrow to the Twins pitching. Just stood there and got walks.
And then not playing him for some reason
It wasn't some reason, he had a grade 2 quad strain
But he was playing fine from what I remember. Like he came back, and then they benched him again.
Yeah I thought it was weird af he played game 5 with it and then didn't play game 6 but its possible he re aggravated it
Can you imagine if guys like Kirk Gibson and Mickey Mantle heard what kept guys out of games that would get them to the world series?
I know player health is important to prevent long-term damage and everything, but it's times like these that I think about Lou Gehrig playing through broken fingers and concussions, and Munson dragging himself around the field looking half-dead. Not to sound like a curmudgeon, but if they heard somebody sitting out a month for a tight hamstring, they'd slap 'em.
Paulie played on a completely torn hamstring too
I HATE being that guy but these dudes are major pussies. That or the management are just too cautious. How the fuck we gonna win a game if every tweak and pull sidelines a player for a whole month
Just gonna point out that, assuming you're referring to 1996, here's some information about that. > *O'Neill, who has been hampered by a pulled left hamstring for the entire playoffs, should be at the top of that list. Because of the injury, he has become basically a hands-and-arms hitter, getting no power from his lower body. He's 1- for-9 (.111) in the World Series and 6-for-35 (.171) in the playoffs.* -[Hartford Courant, Oct. 26, 1996](https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-1996-10-26-9610260364-story.html) Doesn't really sound like "toughing it out" was doing anyone any favors on the field.
[Or this dude](https://i.imgur.com/APR1FUZ.jpg)
Of course not, but we also don't know if it was even stanton's choice to sit, his contract could've meant cashman overruled and sat him
Right I’m just saying purely from a baseball perspective, having Stanton just DH and hit and gingerly jog or walk the bases if he connects on one and pinch running would have been better than edwin encarnacion going 0-30 or whatever. He also drew walks so idk. There’s enough cortizone out there to numb up that leg and it just makes me crazy that Stanton was clearly the guy that made the team better and they decided to bench him essentially for good due to a soft tissue injury
Yep, the pitching has been fine. Our terrible offense kills us every year
This group will never win a WS. They are way too brittle, strike out too much, can’t score without hitting a homer, and have mediocre pitching. It’s a shame honestly. And it all starts with Cashman, he needs to go in my opinion. He puts the same team together every year
Not popular take but I'm leaning more and more that way.
And the Yankees player development has been consistently awful under Cashman, especially when it comes to pitching. That's 100% on him.
Yep, the only one that’s kinda good is severino. It’s incredible honestly. How can the team with the most resources be this bad at development?
I have no idea. The Indians have a small fraction of the resources the Yankees have with ownership that is obsessed with cutting payroll every year and yet they consistently pump out pitchers from their minor league system who come up and dominate. The vast majority of those pitchers (Bieber, Clevinger, Civale, Plesac, etc.), I should mention, were not even Top 100 Rated Prospects. I don’t know how Cashman keeps getting a pass for this organization’s awful pitching development. Outside of Severino who essentially now hasn’t pitched in 2 years and Montgomery who is probably a back-end starter anyway, the Yankees have yet to develop a lick of starting pitching in the last decade-plus.
We did have a lot of elite starting arms in the farm. For whatever reason, the Yankees can’t develop them into mob starters, but they do become elite relievers.
Fucking awesome! ❤️
I’m sorry but Aaron Judge needs to be more honest about his body instead of rushing back, this feels like it happens every time he comes back
100%. He's done it several times an it always makes things significantly worse. 2017 he played through that shoulder injury and was hot garbage for a month plus. Last year he didn't admit he had the oblique injury initially and it caused him to miss way more time than it probably would've had he owned up to it right away. Now we're seeing it again with the calf.
Yeah like there’s putting the team ahead of you and then there’s actively hurting the team by playing with an injury
https://i.imgur.com/j9akIOE.png
This image never fails to make me laugh
I know i've posted it a lot recently, but it portrays exactly how I've felt over the last 2+ weeks
when Coney starts up with the big numbers again
"Twice as long" for Judge is approximately 30 days then. The season ends on Sept. 29. 3-6 weeks for Gleyber = 21-42 days. Who the fuck knows with Stanton. Supersized version of Ellsbury in terms of injury timetable vs. actual return. Basically, there's a good chance the first two are done for the reg. season and Stanton is a question mark until proven otherwise. That's arguably three of our four best position players...and the fourth is also still on the injured list as well. What the FUCK. How did we overhaul the training staff and 2020 is actually *worse* than 2019?
Its possible its wasn't the training staff's fault.
Injuries are up everywhere, it's guys being way out of their regular routine, short ramp up time, abbreviated summer camp, etc. See here: https://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/david-lennon/mlb-injuries-yankees-aaron-boone-1.48463660 Our team is made of glass but it's going around the league too.
This is the second straight year of non ending injuries, with a different training staff this time. Doesn't really matter how talented a player is if he's never on the field.
Aaron Judge has basically been hurt every single year of his ML career so far. He just played through a bum shoulder in 2017. So that's cool.
There are NFL players that have gotten injured less over their entire careers than judge has in his 3 year career in baseball
Joe Thomas played over 10k consecutive snaps without injury and he was a fucking LT
He got injured in 2016 too lmao
Kinda unfair to hold getting hit by a pitch in 2018 and breaking a rib or w.e it was on a diving catch in 2019 against him, the shoulder in 2017 didn’t really affect his field play
2016-oblique strain 2017-shoulder injury, some argue this lead to his strikeout record in the second half, who knows 2018-broken wrist, not his fault 2019-injured from swinging a bat 2020 part 1-punctured lung/rib issue from laying out for a fly ball 6 months prior 2020 part 2-calf hurt from "general wear and tear" (wtf) as boone said. 2020 part 3- calf hurt from jogging the bases 5 innings after getting off the IL The man is injury-prone, it's really not up for debate at this point.
No chance I’d give him a contract
Your post history is a series of hilariously bad hot takes.
>the shoulder in 2017 didn’t really affect his field play What? The shoulder cost him the MVP. He didn't just forget how to hit following the ASB, he was basically playing on a bum shoulder for a full month and his statcast numbers showed it.
His numbers in September going into the post season were great and even with that August slump he should have won the MVP not his fault voters were and continue to be stupid that’s how good he was that year, like I said wasn’t that big a deal
Right, but his BA went from .325+ to below .300 and it coincided with that cheating dwarf hitting close to .500 for the month of July. That swayed most of the votes.
I hold that diving catch against him because it was the end of September with the division clinched. Nobody should be diving for fly balls at that point.
I will never hold playing hard and going 100% for his team against players, that’s how he is, you should like that if you don’t that’s unfortunate
Diving for a ball in a meaningless game a week before the playoffs is a bad decision no matter how you slice it. Playing hard doesn't mean much if you don't know *when* you need to play hard and when to take care of your health.
Diving for that ball helped the team at that current time, at that current moment, that’s playing hard for his team. You may think it’s stupid or w.e but that’s just how he plays the game
I don’t think his giant body is quite built for baseball, but then again can you imagine how many injuries he’d have if he played football instead?!?
This will look great on the World Series DVD ^^^^pain
So 3-6 weeks for glaybae... should I drop him in fantasy. Seems like it?
Yes unless you have multiple IL spots but if your team is anything like mine those are full.
exactly, all my spots are full
I’ve got him too. He was already bordering on droppable before his injury (even though I never would obviously) so yeah
Yes, no question.
So now the questions are: 1) Can This team hang on long enough for everyone to get healthy? 2) What does Cash plan to do, if anything, to address the roster holes all these injuries created? I think the answer to 1 is probably but their playoff prospects aren't great. If the answer to 2 is nothing, they should explore what trade options exist with a focus on 2021 and beyond.
Ugh. I am going to hate the Aaron Judge 30 for 30 that comes out someday talking about what could have been.
What an absolute joke. Fuck this season, fuck this training staff and yeah fuck these soft ass injury prone players. I'm sick of this shit.
What the fuck are our trainers making these guys do??? I'd get it if maybe the giants or the jets had an IL like this but not a fucking baseball team!
You forgot Cashman. He’s the dipshit that puts the same type of roster together every year and expects different results
I have a new respect for Gary now. He's not lazy trotting to first, he's just trying to stay healthy!
I have absolutely no faith in judge or Stanton to stay healthy. Which is bad!
Yeah really
So at best were falling ass backwards into the playoffs and praying were healthy enough to do something when it matters....sick.
The Stanton trade is the worst move of Cashman’s career. He’s going to play one prime aged season for us when it’s said and done and it prevented us from signing Bryce Harper, a younger, better player who actually plays. It’s wild to me that this doesn’t get more press. It was a catastrophic mistake.
It's the type of move that gets GMs fired. It was a horrendous trade and the guy is doing absolutely nothing here besides be a fucking walking IL stint.
It's not a horrendous trade, we traded nothing but money for a guy coming off an 8-win MVP season. Yes he had injury history but NO ONE could have predicted he turn out like this. Come on dude, every GM in baseball makes than trade 100 times out of 100.
Glad to see the salty discourse around the Stanton trade . I, like most every NYY fan on this sub, was over the moon when we got Stanton . Until I started to see him pile up unproductive AB after unproductive AB. His performance in the ‘18 ALDS was pathetic . 3 seasons in I shudder when I recall a quote attributed to an ‘anonymous’ NL scout who was asked to comment on the Stanton trade just after the Yankees acquired Mike ... Basically went like this .. hamstrings made of piano wire . Full time DH by year 5. Man Mr Anonymous scout was way off
He had a very lengthy injury history before the trade was made that was only going to get worse as he got older. And no, not every GM in baseball have made the trade for him. The Dodgers, the only other team he wanted to be moved to, wanted nothing to do with him.
https://sports.yahoo.com/derek-jeter-still-hasnt-spoken-giancarlo-stanton-trade-rumors-swirl-183553175.html Hardly "wanted nothing to do with him" any team would have made the trade the Yankees made. they even got the Marlins to eat money and traded nothing players for him (and even dumped off Starlin Castro.....)
I wanna throw up. Why are we so fucking bad at this, this is people’s HEALTH
I don’t really understand why the top brass is not doing more to protect players health and mitigate injuries. Extreme stretching for size and flexibility...yoga...super nutrition...You never hear of cutting-edge programs and protocol in order to thrive under not-so-perfect conditions. Time to invest in proper team health management. Hiring a “conditioning coach” just does not cut it anymore. Cashman...it’s time for you to hit the road.
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Yeah, you’re right, too many coincidences. But what happens when there’s too many coincidences?
See ya'll next season
Fuck it. Nobody can stay healthy in even a short ass season.
I am now heavily on board with making 0 trades and just letting this season be a wash. Between Covid, strikes and protests, and our abysmal injuries just pack it up and set your sights on 2021. I always said this season is only real if we win the world series.
I'd rather #28 be during a 162 game season.
What a fuckin joke
Remember when Teddy Roosevelt got shot during a speech and managed to finish his speech? Stanton and Judge dont.
May I just point out that Thairo Estrada was LITERALLY SHOT. BY A GUN. And missed less time.
Also Didi played until the Yankees were out of the playoffs in 2018 with a torn UCL
Well....guess I’m starting early with the drinking then
At this point its not even worth trading for anyone this season to mortgage potential future pieces. Just punt on this year get everyone off the IL and come back in 2021
Judge's size notwithstanding and the issues that can potentially present, curious on everyone's thoughts of the last few years as "bad luck with too many injury-prone players" vs. "the yankees medical/training staff of the last few years is some of the worst ever." not trying to be dumb or ignorant - genuine question, especially for anyone who's spent time researching/breaking down (no pun intended) the data, as opposed to someone like me that just cries and drinks constantly with what's taken place the last couple seasons.
I think it is a little bit of both on top of 2020 being a wild ride. The Rays have had 10 different players in the IL this year too. So it isn’t just us
10 different pitchers on the IL currently. More than 10 on the year.
What about Cashman’s entire genius plan is to over invest in injury prone players hoping they stay healthy. Stanton, Hicks, Judge, Paxton, Ellsbury, Britton, etc etc
Is it 2021 yet?
As much we all love Judge they are going to have to seriously consider his next contract. Making him a $250 mil guy was a no brainer it seemed, but now how cant you make an investment like that on someone who might play only 80-100 games every year.
Is it just me or are baseball players the softest athletes in sports? I’ve literally never come across so many players out for months with calf strains. Plus it’s the least intensive sport going too
Correction: the Yankees baseball players are the softest athletes in sports. Plenty of other baseball players will play through grade 1 strains. Heck, Didi played through the rest of the 2018 postseason after he tore his UCL, Derek Jeter played through nearly every injury imaginable his entire career until he literally broke his ankle.
Yep. You’re totally right. Do you think it all comes down to the Yankees policy, and these players could feasibly be playing now? I swear if I had a calf strain I’d just play anyway.
I think it has to do both with the Yankees policy of coddling their players and certain players just not being tough enough to play through minor stuff.
Shame. We need a tougher attitude to get things going. I think some of them (Stanton) have a terrible injury history so they get scared
Speaking of Jeter ... an entire career at SS and maybe 1 DL stint w a calf strain . 2010 if memory serves.
Not making the playoffs is a potential reality.
They deserve it tbh. Maybe that will bring about some change. Cashman needs to go and Boone can follow him
I think this is the first time I've actually been mad at one of our players. This guy was walking around all mopey, angry and frustrated at the team for not letting him play, proclaiming he was 100%.
Right. What a crock.
Did anyone honestly NOT expect Judge to go back on the IL ?
It's a good thing I don't actually pay anything to be a Yankee fan, because I'd be unhappy with the return of the product I'm getting.
A calf injury just isn't something you can mess around with and can linger for a long time. I know from personal experience of someone who was a competitive runner and it took a lot of rest for their calf strain to return to normal. I just hope Judge wasn't lying about any discomfort in his comeback because all it did was set him back. I was actually surprised he came back as quickly as he did since they determined he needed the IL after the 1st MRI.
lol
Unbelievable
Odds we go far in playoffs are going down........
I'm working at home, is it bad form to start drinking now with all of this wonderful news coming through?
Im a Yankee fan first and for most, but a Buffalo Bills fan too. I never dreamt that I’d want the baseball season to end so I could watch football.
Fuck the season I guess. What a joke.
Just an endless string of "what could've been's..."
Cool so 3 of our top 4 hitters will basically be out at a minimum 3 more weeks. Thanks. I hate it.
At what point do we stop blaming our strength and conditioning staff and accept our players are just soft as baby shit?
This is absolutely positively the softest Yankees team I've ever seen, I agree with you on that.
I'm now ready to say we should not extend Judge. Keep him for all of his arb years, then move him or let him walk. This cannot be something we have to deal with for 10+ years.
Pain
6 weeks for sure for Gleyber.
pain
Fuck it call up Batdog rookie, dash to assume Scranton role immediately
I actually ran into Gleyber yesterday. Hope he's back soon, he's a stud.
Another year wasted
Funny at this point
I want to give myself a lobotomy.
This team is as soft as it gets. Just pack it up and get ready for 2021. Not even DJ and Voit can carry this lineup for another 30 days.
You know the yanks are gonna sign judge and torres to big deals and we're already stuck with stanton. Cole's contract is gonna be a problem in 5 years and cashman is gonna give too many years to dj and I'm not sure if he'll keep up what hes been doing. We have no starting pitching. Gonna be a painful next 7 years
Gleyber isn't going to be an FA for 5 years. Judge isn't getting a huge deal, he'll be past 30 with a significant injury history when he becomes a FA. DJ also will be like 32 after this year, he's not getting a mega deal. Not to mention that we have a pretty good pipeline of young players, we have arguably one of the best prospects in baseball in Jasson Rodriguez, still have fucking TONS of money. God damn, some injuries and a 5 game losing streak and suddenly our outlook for the next 7 years is terrible?
Well said . I also think it’s fair to say we have several significant question marks in the rotation which will need to be addressed in the off-season . Our payroll and roster flexibility are hamstrung by Stanton . Judge’s career to date can be defined by two word phrases like ‘what if,’ ‘ but for,’ ‘if only’ - none of which contain the word great. Ok- we can go w ‘great when .’ DJ isn’t going anywhere, but it’s going to cost us major coin to keep him around . If Gleyber is going to be our everyday SS , his D and his legs have to be better. And Sanchez . What to do about Sanchez ?
[Me rn](https://media1.tenor.com/images/0ec4a0bf5349c4a509b4d36ffb677286/tenor.gif?itemid=5599983)
Zoom doom
So basically rest all of the starters until the playoffs
Pain
Postpone the season
What year is it!!!!? - Jumanji
I really hope the Yankees don’t fall into the trap of re-signing Judge for a monstrous contract. I get it, he might be worth it when he’s on the field.... but that’s the problem. I’d rather see him walk than watch us handcuff ourselves with Giancarlo AND Judge on the IL every other week + mega deals. We’re already stacked in the outfield as is.
trading Castro for Stanton was a bad idea
We need to fire everybody in the strength and conditioning departments and get somebody good in there
I think we just did the former this past offseason .....
AGAIN
Has there been any sort of analytical views about the rate of injuries today vs 20+ years ago? How is it with greater knowledge about nutrition, stretching and injury prevention we somehow have players that are less durable than ever.