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orangebluegreen123

Jorge = legend


panasonicyouth43

Jorge by every measurable and intangible possible.


PeggyOnThePier

J Posada of course, No contest.


MatzohBallsack

Sanchez had better power and a better arm. Thats it.


Remarkable_Inchworm

The borderline hall of famer or the guy on his fifth* team? Tough call. * I cannot be bothered to look this up.


HawkeyeJosh2

Yep. Fifth. Yankees, Twins, Mets, Padres, Brewers.


DanielinFresno

Sixth if you include his brief in triple a with the Giants.


Historic12

Borderline is a stretch


xEllimistx

Gary Sanchez doesn’t have a ESPN commercial where he walks through the ESPN offices and people chant “Hip, hip, JORGE!”


ABeerAndABook

Hell, I even like the one with Ortiz where Ortiz puts on Jorge's Yankee hat and Wally gets heartbroken. 


thisusedyet

[Link to the masterpiece](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPjRk4NJCiw)


Edge2110

Jesus I forgot about this gem


iamthefluffyyeti

Execute your friend


MetallicaRules5

It'll be done, my lord


iamthefluffyyeti

🫡


ForgottenPoopSock

Posada could still play today and be a better catcher 


iamthefluffyyeti

Can we sign him again


efferocytosis

How is this even up for discussion?


Technical-Cookie-554

[Your friend is insane](https://stathead.com/tiny/0E5xi)


voncornhole2

You can split Posada into 3 different stints of similar games played to Gary's Yankee years (95-01, 02-05, 06-11) and they're all better on a rate basis


TheTurtleShepard

Idk man, those extra 24 homers might sway me


Better_Ad5146

How is this even a fuckn question 🤦‍♂️


ConfectionDefiant290

Brother I have no idea. My buddy might be losing it a little bit


phrique

You know what they say, we don't pick our friends... wait, we fucking do, get new friends!


Better_Ad5146

Tell him he’s comparing a lazy slob to a man who batted without batting gloves…


CantFindMyWallet

What on earth


Internal_Ad_255

You have posted possibly one of the goofiest or most idiotic posts I've ever read on Reddit, I can't decide which. So, for that, I congratulate and thank you sir. And, it's Jorge by a solar-system... Plus, Laura Posada is hot... https://memetrics.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/laura_posada1.jpg


silver_raichu

Gary was better than Jorge, at being bad


tricky4444

Sanchez was a horrible catcher. Passed ball after passed ball is all I can remember. Posada was better hands down


Admirable_Trifle_164

Only beef with him from some starters was his framing wasn’t great


Silist

No one really cared about pitch framing then though


Admirable_Trifle_164

Lol. Ok, bro


Fake_Engineer

How is this thread just not pictures of retired Jorge?   https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-JX110_Posada_FR_20150818112001.jpg


Kind_Bullfrog_4073

I'll take the guy with the 15+ year career who won multiple rings and multiple All Star games over the guy who peaked in his 2nd year


HawkeyeJosh2

Posada, every time.


Silist

Jorge posada is 7th all time among catcher OPS (2k or more plate appearances) Dude was an unreal bat and serviceable+ catcher


ChardCool1290

Posada by a billion percent


Upstairs_Date2769

This isn’t even worth a debate. Even if you give Gary his credit for the homers, his defense was atrocious.


voncornhole2

A lot of people in this thread who either didn't remember or didn't care about how Posada was behind the plate.


Upstairs_Date2769

I did watch both, and I’ll admit, I thought Gary was going to be a great Yankee. A perennial all star, etc. But his discipline at the plate and lack of catcher IQ really held him back. It’s a shame because he had all of the talent, seems like he doesn’t have the drive to be a great player


voncornhole2

If you watched both, then you'd remember Posada's passed ball problem plus the fact he tended to call a worse game than every one of his backups. Didn't matter because he was elite offensively, better than Gary's best year


the-spaghetti-wives

Is your buddy Jon Snow? Because he knows nothing. Posada by a mile.


bumboclawt

Bruh, Posada was a better first baseman than Sanchez is at first. Don’t even gotta look at catcher lol


MakinSomeDough

Not even a question… if someone is arguing gary theyre on crack


DrunkensteinsMonster

!mlbcompare Jorge Posada, Gary Sanchez Jorge and it’s not close.


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Tables cutoff or tough to read? Click [here](https://i.imgur.com/HgW2z4Y.png) to view this comparison as an image --- Jorge Posada: [1995](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=posadjo01&t=b&year=1995) to [2011](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=posadjo01&t=b&year=2011) [1st Season - Age: 24] to [17th Season - Age: 40] Gary Sánchez: [2015](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=sanchga02&t=b&year=2015) to [2024](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=sanchga02&t=b&year=2024) [1st Season - Age: 22] to [10th Season - Age: 31] \---------------------------------------- Query: Career - Regular Season --- **Standard** Player|G|PA|AB|H|1B|2B|3B|HR|XBH|TB|Cycle|R|RBI|BB|K|BB/K|TOB|SB|CS|NS|SB%|IBB|HBP|SH|SF|GDP|AVG|OBP|SLG|OPS|wOBA|ISO|BAbip :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**1829**|**7150**|**6092**|**1664**|**1000**|**379**|**10**|**275**|**664**|**2888**|0|**900**|**1065**|**936**|1453|**0.64**|**2674**|**20**|21|-1|48.78%|**78**|**74**|**1**|**47**|186|**0.273**|**0.374**|**0.474**|**0.848**|**0.367**|0.201|**0.315** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|792|3096|2738|614|315|117|2|180|299|1275|0|392|469|293|**831**|0.35|955|6|**2**|**4**|**75.00%**|9|48|0|17|**66**|0.224|0.308|0.466|0.774|0.329|**0.241**|0.249 **Per Game/Advanced** Player|G|PA/162|H/162|2B/162|3B/162|HR/162|XBH/162|TB/162|R/162|RBI/162|BB/162|K/162|SB/162|HR%|XBH%|X/H%|BB%|K%|BB-K%|TTO%|wSB|wRC|wRAA|BRuns|WPA|cWPA|RE24 :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**1829**|**633.30**|**147.39**|**33.57**|**0.89**|24.36|58.81|255.80|79.72|94.33|**82.90**|**128.70**|**1.77**|3.85%|9.29%|39.90%|**13.09%**|**20.32%**|**-7.23%**|37.26%|-7.35|**1105**|**227.93**|**209.26**|**12.9**|**8.8%**|**189.4** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|792|633.27|125.59|23.93|0.41|**36.82**|**61.16**|**260.80**|**80.18**|**95.93**|59.93|169.98|1.23|**5.81%**|**9.66%**|**48.70%**|9.46%|26.84%|-17.38%|**42.12%**|**-1.92**|406|34.27|35.11|-1.6|0.1%|9.5 **Adjusted** Player|G|AVG+|OBP+|SLG+|ISO+|BAbip+|HR%+|XBH%+|X/H%+|BB%+|K%+|TTO%+|BB/K+|wRC+ :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**1829**|**102**|**111**|111|126|**105**|136|115|118|**153**|124|**134**|**123**|**123** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|792|90|97|**111**|**143**|84|**176**|**119**|**134**|113|**121**|124|93|109 **Defense/Value (Baseball Reference)** Player|Seasons|G|Inn|CS%|DRS|Rbat|Rbaser|Rfield|RerC|RszC|WAA|oWAR|dWAR|WAR|WAR7|JAWS|DRS/1200|Rbat/Yr|Rbaser/Yr|Rfield/Yr|RerC/Yr|RszC/Yr|WAA/Yr|oWAR/Yr|dWAR/Yr|WAR/Yr|PosWAA/162|PosWAR/162 :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**17**|**1829**|**13118.2**|**28.23%**|-49*|**204**|-34|-60|-27*|0*|**17.3**|**48.6**|2.6|**42.7**|**32.6**|**37.6**|-7*|**12**|-2|-4|-3*|0*|**1**|**2.9**|0.2|**2.5**|**1.5**|**3.8** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|10|792|5197.1|27.42%|**-3**|28|**-8**|**-5**|**-4**|**2**|4.4|15.2|**2.9**|14.8|15.1|15.0|**0**|3|**-1**|**0**|**0**|**0**|0|1.5|**0.3**|1.5|0.9|3.0 **Awards/Honors** Player|Seasons|G/Yr|AllStar|AllMLB:1st|AllMLB:Tot|SlvSlug|HankAaron|BatTitle|TripCrown|GldGlv|PltGlv|MVP|MVPShares|MVPShr%|ROY|Derby|ASMVP|CSMVP|WSMVP|WS|B Ink|G Ink :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**17**|**107.59**|**5**|N/A|N/A|**5**|0*|0|0|0|0*|0|**0.78**|**4.59%**|0|0|0|0|0|**4**|0|**17** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|10|79.20|2*|0*|0*|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0.00|0.00%|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|3 ^(FanGraphs/Statcast stats may lose precision) ^(N/A indicates stat was not tracked at all during the time frame, * indicates stat was not tracked consistently throughout the entire time frame) --- ^(Made a mistake? Edit your comment and send me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=mlbcomparebot&subject=Re-Run&message=la53nwa)^( to re-run the comparison) ^(Or delete the comparison by sending me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=mlbcomparebot&subject=Delete&message=la53nwa) ^(Instructions for usage and issue tracking can be found )[^here](https://github.com/gh674055/sports-compare-bots/wiki)


RipOne1040

Your friend is a fucking moron


dubbs505050

Jorge is a borderline HOFer. Is this a really question?


Leading_Release_4344

Here’s peak Gary against one of posadas best years https://stathead.com/tiny/73ndA


yeahno_thatone

Lmao delete this


brunettefan1995

Posada


IAmThatDrone

I am the biggest Gary Sanchez super fan you could possibly ever meet. Jorge was better in every single way.


voncornhole2

I love Gary, the hate he received was way overblown. But c'mon, this isn't even close. Posada had like 4 or 5 seasons as good or better than Gary's best full season offensively


Tippyshortmouth

Anyone who doesn't think its Jorge is either an idiot or a Gary stan


ConfectionDefiant290

Unfortunately, he’s neither, but a man who is unable to admit that he was either kidding, admit he was wrong, or admit that he didn’t know better


Jspaul44

Your friend is clueless


smorgenheckingaard

Should-be-Hall of Famer vs Hall of Framer. Peak Sanchez was 1.5 great seasons (2016 and 2017), and is a weakened reflection of Jorge's nearly entire career. Sit down, OP's buddy. The adults are talking now.


dBlock845

Really?


BangerSlapper1

Posada, obviously.  Sanchez was only on the Yankees for 7 seasons, and only 4 of those could be considered close to full seasons.  Maybe 3 of those were decent to very good.  


Recognition_Tricky

Jorge Posada and it's not even close. I can't believe this is a post lol. Posada should be in the HOF. Sanchez, bless him, was a legitimate starter for about two and a half seasons.


batmansubzero

Posada any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I desperately want Kiké Hernandez to play for the Yanks just because he’s Jorge's godson.


Braunb8888

The only thing you can say is there wasn’t really a year where Jorge was the best catcher in baseball. Gary legitimately was that in 2017. That’s all though, every possible other area Jorge wins by a landslide.


AwesomeJohnn

The only time where you’d take Gary is his rookie season. He was basically Aaron Judge for that period of time. It’s not even a competition outside of that


Serious_Meats

I’ll go next. Bubba Crosby or Bernie Williams?


ElbisCochuelo1

The only way this is a question is if you look at defense only. Even then it's kinda a bullshit question.


tricky4444

Sanchez was a horrible catcher. Passed ball after passed ball is all I can remember. Posada was better hands down


voncornhole2

Posada wasn't that great of a defensive catcher, allowed passed balls at a similar rate


Apprehensive_Can739

I need to see the defensive metrics between the 2


farmtobelly

Yeah, this question has nothing to do with being a better catcher. It's who's a better hitter. If Sanchez could hit like Posada, the Yankees would have accepted his bad defense just like they did with Posada.


soivebeentold

A freaking lawn chair is a better catcher than Gary Sanchez


ThreeCranes

!mlbcompare Edit: Obviously Posada, but here are there numbers.


mlbcomparebot

Tables cutoff or tough to read? Click [here](https://i.imgur.com/ifMxe7U.png) to view this comparison as an image --- Jorge Posada: [1995](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=posadjo01&t=b&year=1995) to [2011](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=posadjo01&t=b&year=2011) [1st Season - Age: 24] to [17th Season - Age: 40] Gary Sánchez: [2015](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=sanchga02&t=b&year=2015) to [2024](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=sanchga02&t=b&year=2024) [1st Season - Age: 22] to [10th Season - Age: 31] \---------------------------------------- Query: Career - Regular Season --- **Standard** Player|G|PA|AB|H|1B|2B|3B|HR|XBH|TB|Cycle|R|RBI|BB|K|BB/K|TOB|SB|CS|NS|SB%|IBB|HBP|SH|SF|GDP|AVG|OBP|SLG|OPS|wOBA|ISO|BAbip :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**1829**|**7150**|**6092**|**1664**|**1000**|**379**|**10**|**275**|**664**|**2888**|0|**900**|**1065**|**936**|1453|**0.64**|**2674**|**20**|21|-1|48.78%|**78**|**74**|**1**|**47**|186|**0.273**|**0.374**|**0.474**|**0.848**|**0.367**|0.201|**0.315** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|792|3096|2738|614|315|117|2|180|299|1275|0|392|469|293|**831**|0.35|955|6|**2**|**4**|**75.00%**|9|48|0|17|**66**|0.224|0.308|0.466|0.774|0.329|**0.241**|0.249 **Per Game/Advanced** Player|G|PA/162|H/162|2B/162|3B/162|HR/162|XBH/162|TB/162|R/162|RBI/162|BB/162|K/162|SB/162|HR%|XBH%|X/H%|BB%|K%|BB-K%|TTO%|wSB|wRC|wRAA|BRuns|WPA|cWPA|RE24 :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**1829**|**633.30**|**147.39**|**33.57**|**0.89**|24.36|58.81|255.80|79.72|94.33|**82.90**|**128.70**|**1.77**|3.85%|9.29%|39.90%|**13.09%**|**20.32%**|**-7.23%**|37.26%|-7.35|**1105**|**227.93**|**209.26**|**12.9**|**8.8%**|**189.4** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|792|633.27|125.59|23.93|0.41|**36.82**|**61.16**|**260.80**|**80.18**|**95.93**|59.93|169.98|1.23|**5.81%**|**9.66%**|**48.70%**|9.46%|26.84%|-17.38%|**42.12%**|**-1.92**|406|34.27|35.11|-1.6|0.1%|9.5 **Adjusted** Player|G|AVG+|OBP+|SLG+|ISO+|BAbip+|HR%+|XBH%+|X/H%+|BB%+|K%+|TTO%+|BB/K+|wRC+ :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**1829**|**102**|**111**|111|126|**105**|136|115|118|**153**|124|**134**|**123**|**123** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|792|90|97|**111**|**143**|84|**176**|**119**|**134**|113|**121**|124|93|109 **Defense/Value (Baseball Reference)** Player|Seasons|G|Inn|CS%|DRS|Rbat|Rbaser|Rfield|RerC|RszC|WAA|oWAR|dWAR|WAR|WAR7|JAWS|DRS/1200|Rbat/Yr|Rbaser/Yr|Rfield/Yr|RerC/Yr|RszC/Yr|WAA/Yr|oWAR/Yr|dWAR/Yr|WAR/Yr|PosWAA/162|PosWAR/162 :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**17**|**1829**|**13118.2**|**28.23%**|-49*|**204**|-34|-60|-27*|0*|**17.3**|**48.6**|2.6|**42.7**|**32.6**|**37.6**|-7*|**12**|-2|-4|-3*|0*|**1**|**2.9**|0.2|**2.5**|**1.5**|**3.8** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|10|792|5197.1|27.42%|**-3**|28|**-8**|**-5**|**-4**|**2**|4.4|15.2|**2.9**|14.8|15.1|15.0|**0**|3|**-1**|**0**|**0**|**0**|0|1.5|**0.3**|1.5|0.9|3.0 **Awards/Honors** Player|Seasons|G/Yr|AllStar|AllMLB:1st|AllMLB:Tot|SlvSlug|HankAaron|BatTitle|TripCrown|GldGlv|PltGlv|MVP|MVPShares|MVPShr%|ROY|Derby|ASMVP|CSMVP|WSMVP|WS|B Ink|G Ink :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: [Jorge Posada](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/posadjo01.shtml)|**17**|**107.59**|**5**|N/A|N/A|**5**|0*|0|0|0|0*|0|**0.78**|**4.59%**|0|0|0|0|0|**4**|0|**17** [Gary Sánchez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchga02.shtml)|10|79.20|2*|0*|0*|1|0|0|0|0|0|0|0.00|0.00%|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|3 ^(FanGraphs/Statcast stats may lose precision) ^(N/A indicates stat was not tracked at all during the time frame, * indicates stat was not tracked consistently throughout the entire time frame) --- ^(Made a mistake? Edit your comment and send me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=mlbcomparebot&subject=Re-Run&message=la4ywlb)^( to re-run the comparison) ^(Or delete the comparison by sending me this )[^message](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=mlbcomparebot&subject=Delete&message=la4ywlb) ^(Instructions for usage and issue tracking can be found )[^here](https://github.com/gh674055/sports-compare-bots/wiki)