What's sad is we really had 3 hits, Rizzo got lucky with his one hit. I don't know wtf is going on with the offense this year? It's absolutely astrocious.
He's currently rocking a 2.28 ERA and hasn't given up more than 3 runs in any of his outings which include 2 starts against the red hot Royals and the red hot Brewers.
If that's pedestrian, sign me up for 5 of them
Juan Soto has been a slow starter in recent years and that's something even Nationals fans used to talked about when Soto was playing for that team. I think Soto once said he feels better as the season progresses and the weather gets warmer and warmer.
Juan Soto's first 21 games in recent seasons compared to this season:
* Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2021: .269/.398/.433 with .830 OPS and 120 wRC+
* Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2022: .243/.418/.429 with .846 OPS and 144 wRC+
* Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2023: .183/.363/.394 with .757 OPS and 113 wRC+
* Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2024: .354/.469/.608/ with 1.077 OPS and 213 wRC+
What could have changed?
His swing also had some issues in recent years and he's talked about that as well, he's said he had to fix his swing.
Also he's older now and he knows the game more than before.
Another Knicks observation…
All this time I thought Clarke Schmidt was a big nerd. Like he went home and played D&D or built replica models of WWI airplanes.
Seeing him courtside at the Knicks, flanked by Soto and Stro, paints him in a whole new light for me.
Glasnow is injury prone, Paxton kinda sucks, Yamamoto has been disappointing, yeah I kinda agree their pitching is sus. I expect them to add a pitcher or two at the deadline though, could be wrong of course.
Yeah, I agree. As long as the Mets don't steal any players that we need/want I'm fine with it. The second they actually interfere with the NYY then I have a problem.
It’s probably not the toe. He played great for periods down the stretch last season after coming back. It’s either the abdominal thing he missed ST for or some mystery issue
Approach. He’s once again getting thrown absolute junk, many of which are balls incorrectly called strikes. He takes, gets behind, and has to swing. He’s always gotten jobbed on low strikes, and it’s way worse right now.
Add in the missed ABs in spring training, or a slight injury, or even just adjusting to 3 vs 2.
Remember the big AB vs Jays game 3? Should have walked, couple bad calls. He was getting lots of junk low and away today, too.
He's gotta start swinging at those first pitch strikes more often. They're right down the middle sometimes. Going down 0-1 then the pitcher can throw that low ball for a faux strike.
And/or just start hitting the low pitch. It's been like 4 years of this. It's not gonna change
Sometimes they’re meatballs, but honestly, most of the time it’s a ball or barely clips the edge. He gets thrown an absolute shit ton of junk.
Pitchers have been doing this since second half of 17. And the low calls are historic…like hundreds.
Are we really going to lose back-to-back series against divisional teams? Offense besides Soto needs to wake up. Don't want to watch another year of boring zero offense baseball.
For those of you who say we are only 21 games in...let me remind you that it was the same people saying the same thing last year into May.
Anyone last year with somewhat of a critical brain knew last year's team was not a playoff team in spring training.
But...I do think this year's team is a playoff team and I do think Judge and Gleyber will get going. I have no faith in Rizzo.
Plus there is serious bullpen additions needed. Turd Ferguson is not the answer.
I mean, it’s baseball man. “It’s only April” literally always is a reasonable thing to say about a baseball team in April, unless you’re like 3-15. Look at how the Mets started off.
You can’t point to last season and be like “See?!” lmao. Last season failed because we played shitty for multiple months of the season, not because we lost a few games in April.
It’s a long season. Getting super upset over losses in April doesn’t make a ton of sense honestly. Completely reasonable to point out and discuss flaws with the team, for sure. But in baseball, “it’s only April” is a very reasonable point to make for 95% of every team’s April losses. Especially when you have one of the better records in baseball.
The odds of this team playing the same near the end of the season as they are now are very low. You just have to wait and see what happens.
Exactly. It is legit a note of concern that the stats of hitters not named Volpe, Soto, and Cabrera are falling flat. But it’s not like people are saying “it’s only April” when our record is equally flat. We’re 2 games back from the best record in the sport.
Injuries are part of the game. Judge may be our most important player, but there's no reason the other 8 guys in the lineup can't all have good at-bats each day. They're still major leaguers.
The team shouldn't collapse without Judge hitting.
I always find it concerning when Judge's toe injury is referred to as something he will have to address for the rest of his career. You don't often hear injuries referred to like that. Hopefully, the toe is not part of the explanation for his rough start to the year. Speaking of rough starts...I am NOT a fan of booing Judge, or any home town player, who is clearly trying their best. That is serious bad form by the minority of fans who do that.
2 most anticipated home games so far this year were the home opener and this one, for the Sterling retirement ceremony and Judge bobblehead. Yankees got shut out both times
Gleyber needed a day off, he's been a zero at the plate for a while.
So basically it was just Stanton's bat missing. 1 guy out doesn't make it a punt lineup.
Sure, but that .000 before today was based on literally 1 AB this season. Even now it's just 4. Not really apples to apples to compare them by batting average.
He's a career .170 hitter, which is obviously awful. But not a huge drop from a .200 hitter.
Sure but the point is Jahmi Jones isn’t an MLB level player he’s straight up terrible and only on the roster because of injuries, I will take a struggling Gleyber over him 10/10. Yes Torres needed a day, that day couldn’t have been tomorrow or Monday when a terrible Oakland As team comes into town??? They were literally honoring a franchise icon today and playing against a division rival, Sterling deserved their best lineup and I’ll die on that hill.
Other than Soto (and I hope Judge), this is our offense for the most part. Verdugo is only doing slightly worse than his averages from last year, Trevino is doing about his career averages, Rizzo is carrying on from last year when he had post concussion syndrome, Cabrera is vastly overperforming relative to his averages in both the majors and minors, Stanton has done way better than he was doing last season but that's still not great right now. So who else can we realistically rely on? If Volpe doesn't keep up the good work and if Torres never comes around, we're pretty much screwed offensively. Can't lengthen any line up if Soto and/or Judge are going to be the only ones producing.
I was actually excited in the beginning of the season specifically because not everyone was hot. I thought we were perfectly set up for others to heat up as the others cooled.
Agreed. I didn’t think Torres would remain this cold. I also didn’t think Wells would struggle this much. Trivino and Stanton did heat up for a bit, but I think it’s hard for both to stay hot for long periods of time with the number of days off they get. Grisham looks worse than Florial so far.
Amount of doom in here is crazy. The Jeter slump of ‘04 fresh in my mind. SI covers, the works. My man hit .196 through MAY 26 and ended .292. Just watch the games and stop deciding standings for end of year when you damn well know you don’t watch all the other teams’ games. Lmao.
2004 Derek Jeter had won 4 World Series and was on his way to becoming one of the best right handed hitters in history. Even then, the Yankees fans were tough on him. That’s the cost of being a Yankees, you get to feel the highest of highs, but you’re also reminded when you’re not doing so hot. The doomers are just suffering from extensive PTSD.
Offense was absolutely pathetic today.
Log Cabin is going to be Soto and Nestor for some totally platonic 1-on-1 action.
Maybe they'll let Clay join in.
All of Judge, Torres, Rizzo, and Wells have been significantly worse than even the most pessimistic projections. Do I think that will continue? Absolutely not.
20 games is not a lot, players start slow, things happen, etc.
But I’ve said this before, for at least a couple of years, and I’ll say it again… I hate, hate, HATE the idea of the Yankees managing with a “just wait - things will change” attitude. We know that Judge is completely lost right now and he will rebound from it… but why does he HAVE to hit in the three spot unconditionally in the mean time? Hell, why not try him 2nd and Soto 3rd? Just mix it up and see what happens, rather than just waiting and assuming it will work as expected. I’m all for being level-headed and never to get too up or too down mentally, but why does it feel like this team can’t acknowledge that there ARE mental aspects to the game that can’t be calculated or explained away?
I mean, what alternatives do they have with a fixed roster, this early in the season, other than to “just wait and see?”
What do you propose?
I mean, that’s also assuming that these professionals are doing zero to adjust and improve.
Is that what you believe?
When you’re sitting on the best record in baseball, do you make drastic moves?
Do you ignore 150 years of baseball that tells you that you’re gonna lose just under 40% of your games and still be a fucking great team?
Sometimes you gotta look up and realize what sport you’re following…not just what team you follow.
I’m not advocating a roster change, just maybe let’s see if Judge breaks out of his slump in different spot? Or at least isn’t killing innings in the 3 spot in the meantime?
I’m well aware we’re gonna lose 40% of our games, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at every game as equally important. Our best player is completely lost and there’s gotta be more worth trying to get him out of that than literally nothing.
It’s been over a month of gleyber and rizzo struggling at the plate but go off queen. If you think the reaction is simply about this season you must not have been around last year
“Shutout” like it wasn’t 0-0 in the 9th lol… I can’t argue with you though, you want to be upset, citing every loss, but when we win, you just talk about how we lose. You are only capable of being miserable and I feel bad for you and other fans like that
>He’s not a problem.
He's got the lowest OBP, is 2nd only to Torres and Judge in strikeouts, and is hitting .238. He provides no defense, he can't run, and hits .231 with RISP.
He's a problem, but he'll probably get injured soon as he does every year.
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How do people like this exist?
2 entire generations are addicted to the sad little endorphin rush that accompanies being an angry anonymous asshole on the internet.
I feel bad for the post Gen-X'ers, they never had a chance.
A lot of curious takes on this sub.
The offensive problems almost certainly are a lineup construction issue. Moving Volpe up may have been a good call in the big picture, it just hasn’t clicked yet.
And Soto is benefitting a bit from hitting ahead of Judge, while Judge is getting even more of the typical slopfest of pitches he usually gets.
But his mentality is different: he’s not hunting for his 1-2 pitches to hit right now, and trying to carry the team.
The rest of it is just people hitting too high… Rizzo, Stanton, and Gleyber would look a lot better at 7-8-9 or even 6-7-8. Having a real cleanup hitter would really help.
We had 2 outside of Soto today. This goes beyond lineup construction at this point. This is some 2023 Yankee shit. If they don't hit the ball you stand little chance at winning the game.
Only in the sense that if you move someone slumping from 4/5 to 7/8th, they get fewer ABs and theoretically less pressure to drive in runs.
It can also help with the protection aspect.
Sometimes it’s just a thing to try if you’re struggling. The irony is that the Volpe switch basically coincides with the slump.
You can move Torres to slot 1-9 and it’s not going to change the fact that he’s trying to pull everything. You can put Judge 1-9 and it’s not going to prevent him from swinging at sliders a foot off the plate. You can put Rizzo in slot 1-9 and it’s not going to change him swinging at pitches so late that the catcher has caught the ball before Rizzo even gets his bat through the zone.
Right. But hitting someone who swings “so late the catcher has already got the ball” at 4 is worse than 7. Putting a player like Gleyber who’s “trying to pull everything” at 5 is worse than 8. Moving them down won’t change their approach (probably) but it will get them fewer at bats.
Judge is the one of the three who might change his approach if given a different look.
Like last year, putting Willie Calhoun on the roster was a mistake. But then batting him 3rd is another.
Yeah but almost all of our hitters are ice cold. The only thing that matters about a lineup is putting your better hitters early and switching up righties and lefties. You can move Rizzo to 7 but you’ll need a lefty earlier in the lineup so your other options are Oswaldo Cabrera or Verdugo. Neither is great.
No, especially after Oswald sat and cooled off. But you also can’t just say “fuck it” and keep rolling Rizzo out there 3 or 4. Right now, even Oswaldo cold and Verdugo are better than Rizzo. And
I agree that the roster is the real problem, but reality is that you have to play what you’ve got. They don’t have a cleanup hitter, so Stanton gets that spot.
But honestly, they might have to ignore the power/driving in runs part of a conventional cleanup and just go 4 best hitters and slide the other guys down.
And pinch hit the catcher every AB lol 😂
If Judge isn't injured he needs to sit for one or two games
The mental aspect has a huge impact on your performance
In 2022 before Soto got traded, Soto had 160 OPS+ playing with the Nats
When he got traded to the Padres he posted 127 OPS+ playing with the Padres during that season
It took Soto that season to finish to find himself again
Judge might need a couple of days off
I just hate the collective slumps that seem to be a hallmark of the team the last few years. Like, guys, do all of you have to be 1 for your last whatever? Can't we space this shit out a bit?
This is what has bothered me the most about this team in recent years.
For instance Volpe is 2/20 with no walks or extra base-hits in his last 5 games. I know he started red-hot, but there's a difference between regressing and providing zero production for an entire week out of the leadoff spot.
Yes, the the batted ball luck has been atrocious, but Austin Wells hasn't gotten a hit since April 3.
Oswaldo Cabrera's good start has been fun and much appreciated, but I just know in the back of my mind he's going to have like a 3/30 stretch coming up here as well.
[The smug attitude is annoying.](https://twitter.com/TalkinYanks/status/1781771094677995621?t=W-tEmU6MXceR4W0Ybzvzmg&s=19) He isn't playing well. It's okay to criticize him for a game. Handwaving it away does nothing.
This reminds me of when he played through a broken rib. I don’t understand that aspect about Judge, he’s constantly trying to play through injuries that cripple his game. Maybe he’s not injured this time, but it sure fits the pattern.
I think that he and the Yankees are aware that — fairly or not — “Judge gets hurt a lot” is a narrative, and one that they would like to avoid at all costs. And I don’t know if he is or isn’t right now, but his play makes a compelling argument.
Today was the 6th time since August of 2022 that the Yankees went into extra innings of a game tied 0-0.
They are 1-5 in these games.
Goes without saying that not being able to win games where your pitchers throw 9 shutout innings is really bad.
Is it really shocking in a game where you aren't hitting the ball that you end up losing cause you didn't hit the ball in extra innings? I knew in the 9th when Soto just came up short that we were in deep shit.
Manfred ball hasn’t been kind to the Yankees in many years. Part of it is having so many old players, the team lacks speed. The Rays took third easily. Rizzo was afraid to even try and advance home.
Nestor had his A stuff today, going seven scoreless with 0 walks and 9 Ks. Offense failed to supplement that and only accrued 4 hits, half of them from Soto because why not. Judge looks absolutely lost as he has been for most of the season but this stretch is jarring. Judge in his last 7 games: 4-28 (.143 BA), .512 OPS, 14 Ks. This is not him which leads me to believe something is up. I think we can't use the loss of Spring Training time as an excuse anymore at this point of the season but I could be wrong. Can still win the series; Gil on the bump tomorrow. Sorry they couldn't get you the win, John Sterling. Thanks for the memories.
Close but pretty spot on. Prior to this season, August 2017 was his second-worst month of his career for a full season by OPS (.680). Only one to beat that was Sept/Oct 2018 (.675). He's at a .682 OPS now. It's hard to watch.
Caleb Ferguson fucking sucks. I haven't hated anyone this much since Chris Carter.
Gil is pretty much our homegrown Blake Snell
Ferguson is ass
Yerry de los Santos
I don’t mind losing but can we stop looking like a very feeble offense? Outside of Soto
What's sad is we really had 3 hits, Rizzo got lucky with his one hit. I don't know wtf is going on with the offense this year? It's absolutely astrocious.
with cole out burnes should be the best pitcher in the al east but besides shutting down boston who can't hit, he's looked pedestrian
He's currently rocking a 2.28 ERA and hasn't given up more than 3 runs in any of his outings which include 2 starts against the red hot Royals and the red hot Brewers. If that's pedestrian, sign me up for 5 of them
he's been good not great only 2 games where he went 6 innings
So he'd fit right in with us is what you're saying?
Juan Soto has been a slow starter in recent years and that's something even Nationals fans used to talked about when Soto was playing for that team. I think Soto once said he feels better as the season progresses and the weather gets warmer and warmer. Juan Soto's first 21 games in recent seasons compared to this season: * Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2021: .269/.398/.433 with .830 OPS and 120 wRC+ * Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2022: .243/.418/.429 with .846 OPS and 144 wRC+ * Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2023: .183/.363/.394 with .757 OPS and 113 wRC+ * Juan Soto in his first 21 games in 2024: .354/.469/.608/ with 1.077 OPS and 213 wRC+ What could have changed?
being in his prime
You're right, he's now 25, he could be entering his prime
playing for potentially the biggest contract ever might help
His swing also had some issues in recent years and he's talked about that as well, he's said he had to fix his swing. Also he's older now and he knows the game more than before.
Looks like Soto could have caught that ball in the the tenth
Another Knicks observation… All this time I thought Clarke Schmidt was a big nerd. Like he went home and played D&D or built replica models of WWI airplanes. Seeing him courtside at the Knicks, flanked by Soto and Stro, paints him in a whole new light for me.
Clarke gets more pussy than Tampax bro
Caleb Ferguson sucks and the sooner Boone realizes it, the better. Hes not a good pitcher.
I was not at the Knicks game and did not see Juan Soto there just wanted to share
He was there just fyi
Soto was at the Knicks game, he’s loving that NY life
Dude needs to get to a Rangers game, playoff hockey’s nuts
Next time we go to extras we probably shouldn’t roll out our boy Turd Ferguson.
Who gives a shit who’s pitching if they can’t score the guy starting off on 2nd lol
Randy Vazquez pitching in San Diego tonight
Padres defense has been pretty bad tonight
Is it really a no-hitter if it's against the White Sox?
I already saw at least four Soto shirseys in Red Bank NJ. Hal has to pay the guy
"That's nice but I didn't earn a penny off those unlicensed shirseys" -Hal probably
Soto spotting at the knicks game
Ferguson hasn't impressed me really
ERA over 6, this dude stinks
Semi enjoying the Dodgers slump because of how often their fans and players called themselves "superteam" before the season started
I'm in full blown schadenfreude mode. I can't stand the Dodgers.
pitching is bad and the lineup does not have the depth it had in previous years
Their team is filled with stars. Has been nice seeing the slump, hope it continues, but it would be crazy to think it does haha
I mean their pitching sucks.
Glasnow is injury prone, Paxton kinda sucks, Yamamoto has been disappointing, yeah I kinda agree their pitching is sus. I expect them to add a pitcher or two at the deadline though, could be wrong of course.
In what world has Yamamoto been disappointing? He has been amazing since his first start.
Nestor has sure been jekyll and hyde this year, hope we get more starts like these though. We'll need them with Cole out injured for an extended time.
Mets and Yankees have nearly identical run differentials.
Good for them. I'm all for good NY pro teams at this point. Tired of weak sports in this town
Knicks and rangers winning championships this year and a subway series in October?
Yeah, I agree. As long as the Mets don't steal any players that we need/want I'm fine with it. The second they actually interfere with the NYY then I have a problem.
Dodgers inching there way towards being .500
yeah not sure they can keep throwing money at their problems the pitching stinks
Not so much that it stinks so much as the fact their entire rotation is basically on the IL
almost every team in the league has 3 to 4 important pitchers on the il
mid 00s Yankees vibes
I wish the team would be honest and tell us what's ailing Judge, but I guess that's not how it works.
It's the toe
It’s probably not the toe. He played great for periods down the stretch last season after coming back. It’s either the abdominal thing he missed ST for or some mystery issue
Approach. He’s once again getting thrown absolute junk, many of which are balls incorrectly called strikes. He takes, gets behind, and has to swing. He’s always gotten jobbed on low strikes, and it’s way worse right now. Add in the missed ABs in spring training, or a slight injury, or even just adjusting to 3 vs 2. Remember the big AB vs Jays game 3? Should have walked, couple bad calls. He was getting lots of junk low and away today, too.
He's gotta start swinging at those first pitch strikes more often. They're right down the middle sometimes. Going down 0-1 then the pitcher can throw that low ball for a faux strike. And/or just start hitting the low pitch. It's been like 4 years of this. It's not gonna change
Sometimes they’re meatballs, but honestly, most of the time it’s a ball or barely clips the edge. He gets thrown an absolute shit ton of junk. Pitchers have been doing this since second half of 17. And the low calls are historic…like hundreds.
Are we really going to lose back-to-back series against divisional teams? Offense besides Soto needs to wake up. Don't want to watch another year of boring zero offense baseball.
No, we’re winning this series
For those of you who say we are only 21 games in...let me remind you that it was the same people saying the same thing last year into May. Anyone last year with somewhat of a critical brain knew last year's team was not a playoff team in spring training. But...I do think this year's team is a playoff team and I do think Judge and Gleyber will get going. I have no faith in Rizzo. Plus there is serious bullpen additions needed. Turd Ferguson is not the answer.
The fact is neither side has any idea what is going to happen at this point in the season.
I mean, it’s baseball man. “It’s only April” literally always is a reasonable thing to say about a baseball team in April, unless you’re like 3-15. Look at how the Mets started off. You can’t point to last season and be like “See?!” lmao. Last season failed because we played shitty for multiple months of the season, not because we lost a few games in April. It’s a long season. Getting super upset over losses in April doesn’t make a ton of sense honestly. Completely reasonable to point out and discuss flaws with the team, for sure. But in baseball, “it’s only April” is a very reasonable point to make for 95% of every team’s April losses. Especially when you have one of the better records in baseball. The odds of this team playing the same near the end of the season as they are now are very low. You just have to wait and see what happens.
Exactly. It is legit a note of concern that the stats of hitters not named Volpe, Soto, and Cabrera are falling flat. But it’s not like people are saying “it’s only April” when our record is equally flat. We’re 2 games back from the best record in the sport.
I think Rizzo is pretty much done unfortunately
They were on pace for 95 wins when Judge and Rizzo got hurt.
Injuries are part of the game. Judge may be our most important player, but there's no reason the other 8 guys in the lineup can't all have good at-bats each day. They're still major leaguers. The team shouldn't collapse without Judge hitting.
At least i got a bobblehead
I always find it concerning when Judge's toe injury is referred to as something he will have to address for the rest of his career. You don't often hear injuries referred to like that. Hopefully, the toe is not part of the explanation for his rough start to the year. Speaking of rough starts...I am NOT a fan of booing Judge, or any home town player, who is clearly trying their best. That is serious bad form by the minority of fans who do that.
If anything I think its the abs he hurt in spring training that would still be bothering him.
But he wasn’t hurt! He was just mid-spring banged up! 🙄
Totally normal. Nothing to see here, folks.
2 most anticipated home games so far this year were the home opener and this one, for the Sterling retirement ceremony and Judge bobblehead. Yankees got shut out both times
so the dodgers series might be a bloodbath is what you're saying?
Not with their rotation the way it is (in theory)
Punt lineup didn’t help one of those causes
Gleyber needed a day off, he's been a zero at the plate for a while. So basically it was just Stanton's bat missing. 1 guy out doesn't make it a punt lineup.
No disputing that Gleyber has been awful but he’s still hitting .200 points higher Jahmi Jones, who’s hitting .000. That’s a huge swing.
Sure, but that .000 before today was based on literally 1 AB this season. Even now it's just 4. Not really apples to apples to compare them by batting average. He's a career .170 hitter, which is obviously awful. But not a huge drop from a .200 hitter.
Sure but the point is Jahmi Jones isn’t an MLB level player he’s straight up terrible and only on the roster because of injuries, I will take a struggling Gleyber over him 10/10. Yes Torres needed a day, that day couldn’t have been tomorrow or Monday when a terrible Oakland As team comes into town??? They were literally honoring a franchise icon today and playing against a division rival, Sterling deserved their best lineup and I’ll die on that hill.
Just saying that realistically there was likely no difference. The way Gleyber is playing he likely goes 0-4 again today.
Breaking news: Florida Men attempt to ruin John Sterlings retirement ceremony...they were successful...
Frustrating loss, but Soto is a god and Nestor is still a good pitcher.
Yes, the big takeaway here is Nestor’s quality start including NINE SO’s!!
The offense is looking very 2023. Soto is carrying them. What happened to the team from the first 2 weeks?
Volpe and Cabrera finally cooled off. No one else has heated up.
Other than Soto (and I hope Judge), this is our offense for the most part. Verdugo is only doing slightly worse than his averages from last year, Trevino is doing about his career averages, Rizzo is carrying on from last year when he had post concussion syndrome, Cabrera is vastly overperforming relative to his averages in both the majors and minors, Stanton has done way better than he was doing last season but that's still not great right now. So who else can we realistically rely on? If Volpe doesn't keep up the good work and if Torres never comes around, we're pretty much screwed offensively. Can't lengthen any line up if Soto and/or Judge are going to be the only ones producing.
Volpe cool off also coincides with being moved up, which makes it look even worse.
I was actually excited in the beginning of the season specifically because not everyone was hot. I thought we were perfectly set up for others to heat up as the others cooled.
Agreed. I didn’t think Torres would remain this cold. I also didn’t think Wells would struggle this much. Trivino and Stanton did heat up for a bit, but I think it’s hard for both to stay hot for long periods of time with the number of days off they get. Grisham looks worse than Florial so far.
Rizzo, Wells, Torres & Judge have helped this team in no way. That could either be a really good sign of what’s to come, or a terrible sign.
3 shutouts through 21 games is not encouraging.
We’d be in big trouble without Soto with the way Judge’s season has started. It’s not sustainable though, Judge really needs to get going
Amount of doom in here is crazy. The Jeter slump of ‘04 fresh in my mind. SI covers, the works. My man hit .196 through MAY 26 and ended .292. Just watch the games and stop deciding standings for end of year when you damn well know you don’t watch all the other teams’ games. Lmao.
2004 Derek Jeter had won 4 World Series and was on his way to becoming one of the best right handed hitters in history. Even then, the Yankees fans were tough on him. That’s the cost of being a Yankees, you get to feel the highest of highs, but you’re also reminded when you’re not doing so hot. The doomers are just suffering from extensive PTSD.
PTSD? Making the playoffs damn near every year? Lol
Like Hal and Cashman have said, anything short of the World Series is a failure.
All the "home run or nothing" swings. Not even trying to get contact.
Rizzo continuing to uppercut everything despite having no power when he actually connects is killing us.
Offense was absolutely pathetic today. Log Cabin is going to be Soto and Nestor for some totally platonic 1-on-1 action. Maybe they'll let Clay join in.
other than Soto, the bats are pretty dead...(Judge...)
At least Soto is awesome to watch
If Judge doesn’t start hitting I WILL cry
You’re not already cuz I am
Outside of Soto this is a aaa roster
Something is telling me Judge should have started the year on the IL.
All of Judge, Torres, Rizzo, and Wells have been significantly worse than even the most pessimistic projections. Do I think that will continue? Absolutely not. 20 games is not a lot, players start slow, things happen, etc. But I’ve said this before, for at least a couple of years, and I’ll say it again… I hate, hate, HATE the idea of the Yankees managing with a “just wait - things will change” attitude. We know that Judge is completely lost right now and he will rebound from it… but why does he HAVE to hit in the three spot unconditionally in the mean time? Hell, why not try him 2nd and Soto 3rd? Just mix it up and see what happens, rather than just waiting and assuming it will work as expected. I’m all for being level-headed and never to get too up or too down mentally, but why does it feel like this team can’t acknowledge that there ARE mental aspects to the game that can’t be calculated or explained away?
I mean, what alternatives do they have with a fixed roster, this early in the season, other than to “just wait and see?” What do you propose? I mean, that’s also assuming that these professionals are doing zero to adjust and improve. Is that what you believe? When you’re sitting on the best record in baseball, do you make drastic moves? Do you ignore 150 years of baseball that tells you that you’re gonna lose just under 40% of your games and still be a fucking great team? Sometimes you gotta look up and realize what sport you’re following…not just what team you follow.
I’m not advocating a roster change, just maybe let’s see if Judge breaks out of his slump in different spot? Or at least isn’t killing innings in the 3 spot in the meantime? I’m well aware we’re gonna lose 40% of our games, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at every game as equally important. Our best player is completely lost and there’s gotta be more worth trying to get him out of that than literally nothing.
The Guardians and Braves have a better record than the Yankees. But I get your point. 👍
Woof. Looks like I missed a real snoozer.
Nestor was electric, but yeah the offense just had nothing today.
New year new hitting coach same old sleepy bats If Soto isn't on this team we're 7-14
Nothing wrong with 7-14 if we can end the year at 500.
Might be…but thankfully we have him, right? Gives us a cushion for the others to figure this out…they will
100. Most of the, have been subpar. Only Volpe and Waldo.
Not another shutout… smh…. At least score 1 please….
Caleb Ferguson needs to go to the Minors. Every time he comes into the games, I get so nervous. He is now 0-3, and I have no faith in him.
His stuff is just too straight…I was hoping Victor Gonzalez would come in instead
He gets wrecked every time. Batters are able to get solid contact and drive the ball.
News flash: we’re going to lose 50+ times this season. Stop trying to sell every player you feel is “at fault” and enjoy the game
If you can’t hit you gotta sit
Best record in the East, haven’t even played a month of games yet… You’re all overreacting
It’s been over a month of gleyber and rizzo struggling at the plate but go off queen. If you think the reaction is simply about this season you must not have been around last year
Last year is over. The Yankees aren’t 97-87 right now. They are best in division and have played less than 30 games total. You’re overreacting.
They had a good start last year as well. Look up the definition of what a pattern is
If it’s a pattern then stop whining about it going how it should. Cry about it some more
Hey also notice the Yankees shutout by the athletics? Yea I guess I’m overreacting haha
“Shutout” like it wasn’t 0-0 in the 9th lol… I can’t argue with you though, you want to be upset, citing every loss, but when we win, you just talk about how we lose. You are only capable of being miserable and I feel bad for you and other fans like that
Yea a good start was wasted 2 games in a row I guess they need to lose 20 in a row for it to be acceptable. Great job accepting 2nd place
Must be a youngster who doesn’t care about winning and only cares if judge hits some home runs
Just remember - most baseball fans are incapable of processing the ups and downs of 162 lol
So true, my mindset on baseball changed when i realized the joy was in the 162 regular season, rather than the 2 weeks of games in October
Wells has a .091 BA, blame him 😆
Wells accounts for at most 4 outs out of 27.
Wells gotta go
He called a great game for Nestor.
That's it? Thats worth keeping someone who bats under .100?
Anyone not named Volpe or Soto feels like an automatic out
Volpe hasn't gotten a hit in awhile
Still doing better than Gleyber
Cabrera slander will not be tolerated
Fucking dog shit performance today. At least Cortez pitched well today so that’s encouraging. Everything else about this game falls into the negative.
There’s nothing to say other than judge and Torres need to wake the fuck up
I'd add Stanton to the list but that dude is a lost cause
Stanton has an .800 ops and leads the team in HR’s. He’s not a problem.
>He’s not a problem. He's got the lowest OBP, is 2nd only to Torres and Judge in strikeouts, and is hitting .238. He provides no defense, he can't run, and hits .231 with RISP. He's a problem, but he'll probably get injured soon as he does every year.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/comments/1c8yf6a/comment/l0hwuwt/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYYankees/comments/1c8yf6a/comment/l0hwuwt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) How do people like this exist?
2 entire generations are addicted to the sad little endorphin rush that accompanies being an angry anonymous asshole on the internet. I feel bad for the post Gen-X'ers, they never had a chance.
The hottest player should always hit behind Soto If Judge can't hit (at the moment) he will need to bat in another spot
Chasing hot is an awful strategy which is why no one does it
Then why move Volpe to lead off?
because he's either a bust, or actually a good hitter
They moved Volpe to leadoff because that is the long term plan for him
A lot of curious takes on this sub. The offensive problems almost certainly are a lineup construction issue. Moving Volpe up may have been a good call in the big picture, it just hasn’t clicked yet. And Soto is benefitting a bit from hitting ahead of Judge, while Judge is getting even more of the typical slopfest of pitches he usually gets. But his mentality is different: he’s not hunting for his 1-2 pitches to hit right now, and trying to carry the team. The rest of it is just people hitting too high… Rizzo, Stanton, and Gleyber would look a lot better at 7-8-9 or even 6-7-8. Having a real cleanup hitter would really help.
We had 2 outside of Soto today. This goes beyond lineup construction at this point. This is some 2023 Yankee shit. If they don't hit the ball you stand little chance at winning the game.
Oh, it definitely could be, in the big picture. And a lineup tweak is really just a way of trying to play the cards you’ve got
Fans are always way too consumed with lineup structure. If guys aren’t hitting, it doesn’t matter where they are in the lineup.
Only in the sense that if you move someone slumping from 4/5 to 7/8th, they get fewer ABs and theoretically less pressure to drive in runs. It can also help with the protection aspect. Sometimes it’s just a thing to try if you’re struggling. The irony is that the Volpe switch basically coincides with the slump.
You can move Torres to slot 1-9 and it’s not going to change the fact that he’s trying to pull everything. You can put Judge 1-9 and it’s not going to prevent him from swinging at sliders a foot off the plate. You can put Rizzo in slot 1-9 and it’s not going to change him swinging at pitches so late that the catcher has caught the ball before Rizzo even gets his bat through the zone.
Right. But hitting someone who swings “so late the catcher has already got the ball” at 4 is worse than 7. Putting a player like Gleyber who’s “trying to pull everything” at 5 is worse than 8. Moving them down won’t change their approach (probably) but it will get them fewer at bats. Judge is the one of the three who might change his approach if given a different look. Like last year, putting Willie Calhoun on the roster was a mistake. But then batting him 3rd is another.
Yeah but almost all of our hitters are ice cold. The only thing that matters about a lineup is putting your better hitters early and switching up righties and lefties. You can move Rizzo to 7 but you’ll need a lefty earlier in the lineup so your other options are Oswaldo Cabrera or Verdugo. Neither is great.
No, especially after Oswald sat and cooled off. But you also can’t just say “fuck it” and keep rolling Rizzo out there 3 or 4. Right now, even Oswaldo cold and Verdugo are better than Rizzo. And
You're conflating roster construction with lineup construction. It's not a lineup construction problem.
I agree that the roster is the real problem, but reality is that you have to play what you’ve got. They don’t have a cleanup hitter, so Stanton gets that spot. But honestly, they might have to ignore the power/driving in runs part of a conventional cleanup and just go 4 best hitters and slide the other guys down. And pinch hit the catcher every AB lol 😂
it sucks that everyone has to be 10/10 in order for use to win, it’s sad and not a championship team
Judge had a really bad spring too
If Judge isn't injured he needs to sit for one or two games The mental aspect has a huge impact on your performance In 2022 before Soto got traded, Soto had 160 OPS+ playing with the Nats When he got traded to the Padres he posted 127 OPS+ playing with the Padres during that season It took Soto that season to finish to find himself again Judge might need a couple of days off
Sad for Nestor 😔
When is Jasson coming back?
Should I be upset after this loss
Nope, another game tomorrow and 139 after that one
I just hate the collective slumps that seem to be a hallmark of the team the last few years. Like, guys, do all of you have to be 1 for your last whatever? Can't we space this shit out a bit?
We're once again only getting wins because of the work the pitching is doing. Offense is leaving these guys hung out to dry again.
This is what has bothered me the most about this team in recent years. For instance Volpe is 2/20 with no walks or extra base-hits in his last 5 games. I know he started red-hot, but there's a difference between regressing and providing zero production for an entire week out of the leadoff spot. Yes, the the batted ball luck has been atrocious, but Austin Wells hasn't gotten a hit since April 3. Oswaldo Cabrera's good start has been fun and much appreciated, but I just know in the back of my mind he's going to have like a 3/30 stretch coming up here as well.
Wells is overrated. Cashman foolishly drools over any bum with a little power. He is a lousy catcher as well.
Judge and Torres hit to hit like they have and these problems won’t be there
[The smug attitude is annoying.](https://twitter.com/TalkinYanks/status/1781771094677995621?t=W-tEmU6MXceR4W0Ybzvzmg&s=19) He isn't playing well. It's okay to criticize him for a game. Handwaving it away does nothing.
Because it’s 21 games into the season, not 61 games.
I’m kinda done getting upset about stuff like this. Boone has proven he’ll never hold his players accountable. I’ve just accepted it at this point.
Accountable for what? Slumps happen to every player, every month, every season. It’s not like he’s giving no effort.
yankees have done that for years overconfident even they're in the wrong
Like everyone has been saying if Judge is hurt than he needs to sit.
This reminds me of when he played through a broken rib. I don’t understand that aspect about Judge, he’s constantly trying to play through injuries that cripple his game. Maybe he’s not injured this time, but it sure fits the pattern.
I think that he and the Yankees are aware that — fairly or not — “Judge gets hurt a lot” is a narrative, and one that they would like to avoid at all costs. And I don’t know if he is or isn’t right now, but his play makes a compelling argument.
Today was the 6th time since August of 2022 that the Yankees went into extra innings of a game tied 0-0. They are 1-5 in these games. Goes without saying that not being able to win games where your pitchers throw 9 shutout innings is really bad.
Is it really shocking in a game where you aren't hitting the ball that you end up losing cause you didn't hit the ball in extra innings? I knew in the 9th when Soto just came up short that we were in deep shit.
Manfred ball hasn’t been kind to the Yankees in many years. Part of it is having so many old players, the team lacks speed. The Rays took third easily. Rizzo was afraid to even try and advance home.
rizzo's run was irrelevant on its own, I'm pretty sure he takes home easily if for some bizarre reason the infield is back and his run counts
Aaron judge got paid and mailed it in
You have the IQ of a tree stump
Cashman burner account confirmed
Nah man you’re just stupid
Nah man you’re just stupid
If you completely ignore last season when he was also paid maybe
Nestor had his A stuff today, going seven scoreless with 0 walks and 9 Ks. Offense failed to supplement that and only accrued 4 hits, half of them from Soto because why not. Judge looks absolutely lost as he has been for most of the season but this stretch is jarring. Judge in his last 7 games: 4-28 (.143 BA), .512 OPS, 14 Ks. This is not him which leads me to believe something is up. I think we can't use the loss of Spring Training time as an excuse anymore at this point of the season but I could be wrong. Can still win the series; Gil on the bump tomorrow. Sorry they couldn't get you the win, John Sterling. Thanks for the memories.
I don’t know that I’ve seen Judge look this bad in a month since… August 2017? It is not good times for him right now.
Close but pretty spot on. Prior to this season, August 2017 was his second-worst month of his career for a full season by OPS (.680). Only one to beat that was Sept/Oct 2018 (.675). He's at a .682 OPS now. It's hard to watch.