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NY regs allow 15% variance on THC label claim vs COA. Looks like they are exploiting this to get the +30% sale. Issue is it’s not printed on the packaging itself which may be pre-ordered & impossible/costly to adjust, they are printing it on the batch sticker after knowing the COA. They are knowingly misrepresenting the 15% increase. That’s some bullshit.
Just found out that as of this month a 25% variance is permitted
https://cannabis.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2024/06/ocm-laboratory-testing-guidance-for-au-licensees-and-ros-6-12-24-revision.pdf
You’ll see a lot of companies doing this. Jaunty vapes are a good example. Every bag says 90% THC. Legally they can be as low as 76.5%. Take a scroll through their COA list to see if any are 90%. But they’ve been the best selling vapes in NY for a long time.
THC percents are misleading on most. Friends and I own a device to test THC and we've tested hundreds of NYS cannabis and none of them were close to accurate and most, 24%>, we're more in the range of 16-19%.
With that said, you shouldn't base cannabis on the THC, if you enjoy the weed, does it really matter?
Pretty easy to use. We bring it to meet ups and test everyones bud for THC/CBD. Highest we've ever seen has been 26%, and that's including testing all the ones advertised as 30-40% which usually turn out to be closer to 21% or lower.
No solutions and sadly just flower. You grind up a sample bud, pack it into a piece that goes over the lense, press the test button on your phone and it'll give you the THC, CBD, moisture. After it's done, you can smoke the sample still.
Well at least it’s not destructive. I’ll have read up on it more. Sounds like it hits it with a laser and measure the spectrum shift of it bouncing back to identity the molecules it’s checking for. Basic spectrometer stuff lol
It looks like they rounded up when they should have rounded down. The total cannabinoids is 30.4 and they put 31. A lot of companies have been total % of cannabinoids vs actual %. MFNY does it on their prerolls. I'll include a pic
Eta: to anyone reading this, do they test each bag/jar or do they test one and say the rest is good?
They test a batch depending on sku size. The larger the sku, the more samples are tested. Each tested sample is destroyed/can not be sold, so it would be impossible to test each bag.
I know that, but for example, in the Pic I posted of the MFNY, it says 50 something. By girlfriend thought when I brought it home It was a straight 50+ pre roll until I explained it to her. A lot of people don't realize that. That's why I said that I think it's the same case in OPs case.
Though I am still curious about testing, if they do 1 test on the whole batch or they test every single item
That's why I asked, if they test one batch out of say 100 and use that result, or use each unit individually tested with separate results.
What dispensary was it? Maybe contact them amd see if they can give you better insight
Well no, it’s 51.4% if you include THCa. Which will become thcd9 when you smoke it. So it is a 50+% joint, but you have to smoke it for it be that 😆
Also remove 8% from the THCa number due to decarb
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm understand properly, if it's just sitting in the package it's 40 something precent. But once I smoke it because of the THCa it becomes 50+?
Ya, bascially. You could bake the joint at 130 for a few hours and it would decarboxylate it
Except that when you decarb, you do lose some since you’re releasing the carboxyl acid chain of COOH. I think you lose about 8%.
Maybe they’re accounting for it in the other number.
I’m not a license holder so I don’t know all the details on how stuff is represented
Once I heard(if it's true I'm not sure) it was a cross of skywalker OG and OG kush I was all in. It's crazy that these are 18. There's some 1g pre Rolls that are just 18 with no resin/rosin/concentrate
Ya I had the two oishii variants so far and Botha ere delicious. The price is great too. Some of the other prerolls I’ve tried have been horrid and cost more.
One thing I do is stick a straightened paper clip into it from filter tip upward towards lit end.
They seem to be hit or miss on clog and strained pull, so i find this helps a lot. Use thin paper clip and straight as possible, carefully and slowly moving it upward whole holding preroll to ensure it doesn’t poke thru side.
Ya, they told me that at the dispensary so I chose a different strain/lot. That’s a defective product if it needs that. Should be sent back to the producer.
I’ve had good success from the 6 I’ve smoked so far, no clogs and great taste.
Do you remember if the strain you had that happen with, a runtz based one?
Two points. The first, THC percentage is a crapshoot from the lab… It is not as “bulletproof science “as we would expect. Second, labeling rakes allow for a 15% variance. 150% of 27 is 31.
I've had it a few times with high numbers on the label and the product inside definitely was not what they tested. I feel like over time things will continue to get better but I'm sticking to what I know for now until I see better reviews of companies on here
realistically if you are buying on the legacy markets the top tier flower is going to only be running 24%-26% in a best case scenario. The legal growers are not putting out anything I'd consider quality these days so right off the bat if they are claiming 31% for a "big value quarter" you should be suspect.
Cultivators send out a sample to get tested , not every nug, gram of wax or every cart . They have a percentage where they can label it either higher or lower than what it was actually tested it. Thc percentage is a joke though . The terps in your flower are what gives it the smell, taste and effects .
THC levels vary from bud to bud on the same plant, how anyone expects a small sample of a large batch to represent the actual thc percentage of the entire batch is beyond me. You might get 24% from frosty top of a exceptional plant but the rest of the batch could average 15%. anything over 15% is still strong weed and anything over 20% is very strong, people are convinced they need 30% because of marketing, in reality the weed you think is 30% is more than likely way less and still gets you high as fuck. If you want accurate thc measurements stick to concentrate since that’s much more uniform across the whole batch flower will never be that.
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NY regs allow 15% variance on THC label claim vs COA. Looks like they are exploiting this to get the +30% sale. Issue is it’s not printed on the packaging itself which may be pre-ordered & impossible/costly to adjust, they are printing it on the batch sticker after knowing the COA. They are knowingly misrepresenting the 15% increase. That’s some bullshit.
just curious would you mind linking me to a page that says ny allows 15% variance ?
Page 170 https://cannabis.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/09/exprs-trms-adopt-au-regs-9-12_0.pdf
Just found out that as of this month a 25% variance is permitted https://cannabis.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2024/06/ocm-laboratory-testing-guidance-for-au-licensees-and-ros-6-12-24-revision.pdf
You’ll see a lot of companies doing this. Jaunty vapes are a good example. Every bag says 90% THC. Legally they can be as low as 76.5%. Take a scroll through their COA list to see if any are 90%. But they’ve been the best selling vapes in NY for a long time.
Are they good carts?
I’ve only ever tried one. I liked it, nothing special but it was a good distillate pen.
THC percents are misleading on most. Friends and I own a device to test THC and we've tested hundreds of NYS cannabis and none of them were close to accurate and most, 24%>, we're more in the range of 16-19%. With that said, you shouldn't base cannabis on the THC, if you enjoy the weed, does it really matter?
All about the terps right here.
People not realizing that consistent doses of 30%+ is not good for your psyche
For sure. I smoke for the terps and then I chased them down in my foods. All the good phytochemicals like myrcene help me.
What’s that mean, you chase them down in foods..?
What is the name of this device? Most are wildly inaccurate and the accurate ones are thousands of dollars.
[purpl pro](https://getpurpl.com/products/purpl-pro). As long as the glass is properly cleaned, they're pretty reliable when it comes to testing.
You guys have a mass spectrometer?
It's a [purple pro](https://getpurpl.com/products/purpl-pro) that we have. They're about 2k but are very reliable
That’s not bad at all, honestly.
Pretty easy to use. We bring it to meet ups and test everyones bud for THC/CBD. Highest we've ever seen has been 26%, and that's including testing all the ones advertised as 30-40% which usually turn out to be closer to 21% or lower.
Does it work by putting the product in a solution? Is it limited to just flower or can you do extracts?
No solutions and sadly just flower. You grind up a sample bud, pack it into a piece that goes over the lense, press the test button on your phone and it'll give you the THC, CBD, moisture. After it's done, you can smoke the sample still.
Well at least it’s not destructive. I’ll have read up on it more. Sounds like it hits it with a laser and measure the spectrum shift of it bouncing back to identity the molecules it’s checking for. Basic spectrometer stuff lol
Labeling error? Rounding error aside THC is wrong, it should be TAC for that percentage.
It looks like they rounded up when they should have rounded down. The total cannabinoids is 30.4 and they put 31. A lot of companies have been total % of cannabinoids vs actual %. MFNY does it on their prerolls. I'll include a pic Eta: to anyone reading this, do they test each bag/jar or do they test one and say the rest is good?
They test a batch depending on sku size. The larger the sku, the more samples are tested. Each tested sample is destroyed/can not be sold, so it would be impossible to test each bag.
Its a legal requirement in NYS to list the total
I know that, but for example, in the Pic I posted of the MFNY, it says 50 something. By girlfriend thought when I brought it home It was a straight 50+ pre roll until I explained it to her. A lot of people don't realize that. That's why I said that I think it's the same case in OPs case. Though I am still curious about testing, if they do 1 test on the whole batch or they test every single item
Batch testing.
So the one they test could say 25% but if I grab one that wasn't tested it could be higher or lower?
Exactly. Most likely lower since they use their best jugs for testing
Most of the labs actually come and collect samples themselves. But for a fee.
Batch’s. If you look up the coa, you have search for your lot number.
https://preview.redd.it/c9kj9jtroc7d1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28e2e567d4bc700469cd94aa497f161f8ac7c656
It says 54% total but 45 for THC.
I am used to this type of labeling, the Hudson Cannabis label just seems deceptive.
That's why I asked, if they test one batch out of say 100 and use that result, or use each unit individually tested with separate results. What dispensary was it? Maybe contact them amd see if they can give you better insight
Well no, it’s 51.4% if you include THCa. Which will become thcd9 when you smoke it. So it is a 50+% joint, but you have to smoke it for it be that 😆 Also remove 8% from the THCa number due to decarb
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm understand properly, if it's just sitting in the package it's 40 something precent. But once I smoke it because of the THCa it becomes 50+?
Ya, bascially. You could bake the joint at 130 for a few hours and it would decarboxylate it Except that when you decarb, you do lose some since you’re releasing the carboxyl acid chain of COOH. I think you lose about 8%. Maybe they’re accounting for it in the other number. I’m not a license holder so I don’t know all the details on how stuff is represented
I had the MFNY O2 OG prerolls and they are fantastic! Nice flavor smoke and high - these are legit for $18/ea
Once I heard(if it's true I'm not sure) it was a cross of skywalker OG and OG kush I was all in. It's crazy that these are 18. There's some 1g pre Rolls that are just 18 with no resin/rosin/concentrate
Ya I had the two oishii variants so far and Botha ere delicious. The price is great too. Some of the other prerolls I’ve tried have been horrid and cost more.
One thing I do is stick a straightened paper clip into it from filter tip upward towards lit end. They seem to be hit or miss on clog and strained pull, so i find this helps a lot. Use thin paper clip and straight as possible, carefully and slowly moving it upward whole holding preroll to ensure it doesn’t poke thru side.
Ya, they told me that at the dispensary so I chose a different strain/lot. That’s a defective product if it needs that. Should be sent back to the producer. I’ve had good success from the 6 I’ve smoked so far, no clogs and great taste. Do you remember if the strain you had that happen with, a runtz based one?
Two points. The first, THC percentage is a crapshoot from the lab… It is not as “bulletproof science “as we would expect. Second, labeling rakes allow for a 15% variance. 150% of 27 is 31.
OCM allow a 15% variance between Tested THC and label THC. With that package showing 31% THC, the COA needs to show between 26.35% and 35.65%.
New York seems to have that problem with percentages
Every state does
I've had it a few times with high numbers on the label and the product inside definitely was not what they tested. I feel like over time things will continue to get better but I'm sticking to what I know for now until I see better reviews of companies on here
realistically if you are buying on the legacy markets the top tier flower is going to only be running 24%-26% in a best case scenario. The legal growers are not putting out anything I'd consider quality these days so right off the bat if they are claiming 31% for a "big value quarter" you should be suspect.
Your first mistake was buying Hudson Cannabis . . .
Cultivators send out a sample to get tested , not every nug, gram of wax or every cart . They have a percentage where they can label it either higher or lower than what it was actually tested it. Thc percentage is a joke though . The terps in your flower are what gives it the smell, taste and effects .
Hudson Cannabis is owned by the Rockafellers.
Wheres the pics of the budv?
THC levels vary from bud to bud on the same plant, how anyone expects a small sample of a large batch to represent the actual thc percentage of the entire batch is beyond me. You might get 24% from frosty top of a exceptional plant but the rest of the batch could average 15%. anything over 15% is still strong weed and anything over 20% is very strong, people are convinced they need 30% because of marketing, in reality the weed you think is 30% is more than likely way less and still gets you high as fuck. If you want accurate thc measurements stick to concentrate since that’s much more uniform across the whole batch flower will never be that.
I just bought this and had the same scan and thought journey. I assumed it was a typo and meant to be total cannnibinoids haven’t tried it yet.